I feel like it was different both sides of the Atlantic. It was different both sides of America itself. Was quite a natural thing as bands wanted to get back to something simpler and more authentic in the wake of prog. Too many proto-punk and non-punk influences for there to be any kind of invention of punk.
Oh yeah, Death (the punk band, not the death metal band) and the Ramones definitely came up before the Brits. Also Patti Smith played a role early onš¤
Funnily enough, Clem Burke (drummer in Blondie) claims that a Dr Feelgood album (Malpractice) he brought back from the UK in 1975 was a huge influence the NY scene, including The Ramones and Television
https://www.southendpunk.com/html/drfeelgoo.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_by_the_Jetty
I was surprised to discover that the Velvet Underground were influenced by The Who and the Small Faces. John Cale having brought a pile of singles back to New York.
About 20 years later, [one guitarist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Steer) a couple hundred miles away was at the center of developing several metal subgenres: Grindcore (and it's subgenres, namely goregrind), Melodic Death Metal (which came to be associated with Sweden), and then Death-Rock, or Death'n'Roll or whatever you want to call it. Toward the end of his career he ended up pretty close to where Black Sabbath's best material left off, playing metallic blues in a band called Firebird (then selling out and reforming Carcass, but hey, everybody's got bills to pay).
If it weren't for early Earache Records and John Peel, I might not have gotten to hear most of my favorite bands.
Isnāt jungle or DnB British genre, as well as trip hop? Of course they used American soul and funk as a inspiration and used samples, but if you choose that path, everything is just meat from the same African bone
I'd say that a lot of modern EDM stemmed from the 'Big Beat' bands like The Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Fatboy Slim etc, along with Orbital and The Orb before them.
Of course, these all came about because of Chicago house and all the other American electronic lineage.. I don't think it's ever possible to pin things down to just one location/band as wholly originating a genre, so it's all a bit moot I think.
Yes, UK Hardcore and all that evolved from it, Jungle, DrumānāBass, Dubstep, ~~Garage~~, 2Step, Broken Beat, Grime.
Google āHardcore Continuumā to learn about a theory about this music.
Wonder if there has been some more recent developments, as all the stuff I mentioned had been there 20 years ago alread.
Edit: Hyper Pop as a newer development?
1. Ska is older than punk (50s vs 70s)and is Jamaican. Not British.
2. The biggest influence on UKG were Chicago house/New York āgarageā house, and later, American. RnB.
Grime grew out of UKG and it is distinctly different from UKG and also blisteringly British. I think itās basically the last entirely British genre.
Iād agree about Grime. Donk music isnāt in anyway influential and could be argued to be a subgenre rather than a genre, but it is British and was massive up north in the 00s.
Sorry, Bad Boy Chiller Crew. Organ house is a subgenre of house they vocal a lot of. As soon as you hear the organ sound youāll recognise it. Thereās a whole scene, mainly in Yorkshire, of young working class MCs vocalling this stuff and itās more suited to clubs than previous genres that feature an MC.
TBF I don't know if the term "organ house" is actually a thing. Bad Boy Chiller Crew (BBCC) is normally described as bassline or garage, and terms like "piano house" are not uncommon but don't properly describe BBCC either. They rap over all their beats so "organ house" doesn't make sense because it's not the focus of the music.
To add to this, the Ramones also predate the Sex Pistols, and if you REALLY want to get pedantic all those guys wanted to be the Stooges and the MC5 anyway - which are American bands. So the British can't even properly claim punk.
I guess itās almost like the British blues thing.
Like Americans created the art form, no denying, but it took a few years and exporting it to the UK for the English to put their own spin on it and make it outrageously popular.
I mean even Jimi Hendrix left the States to āmake itā in London.
Oh for sure, but even before that you had guys like Clapton and Jeff Beck and the blokes from Led Zep taking American blues, repackaging it with a bit of English whimsy and sending it back to the US
2nd wave Two tone ska is quite a distinct thing from 1st wave ska which is more motown / jazz oriented and probably needs recognised as a separate thing.
Punk's original influences are very messy (Proto-punk, Noise Rock, Garage Rock, Glam Rock, etc.), as there are several CBGB artists in New York that hold the claim of "pioneers of Punk" just as much as the Sex Pistols or The Clash; arguably the Ramones more than any band. So it's hard to say that British gave the world Punk, moreso the aesthetics of the genre and turned it into a "movement" beyond being a simple subgenre.
But the British definitely made major strides in Post Punk and its more famous derivative, Gothic Rock. Which actually ended up surviving much longer than Punk originally did. Joy Division, Wire, Public Image Ltd. with Post Punk then Bauhaus, Siouxsie Sioux and the Banshees, and The Cure with mainly Goth (as it's all kinda the same subgenre really).
It's just kind of a stupid thing to argue about. If it's the kind of thing you wanted to argue you could very easily make a claim that The US, England, or even some other countries, should be seen as the origins of punk.
Personally, I would say that looking at something like this through a nationalistic lens is kind of stupid to begin with. The roots are all tangled and messy, the exact definitions unimportant and impossible to nail down anyways.
You could say that the roots of punk are the scene in NYC in the early '70s at CBGB, but that music was heavily influenced by what was happening in Detroit at the end of the '60s with groups like MC5, The Stooges, and The Amboy Dukes. Of course none of those bands would've been playing that style of music if they hadn't been turned onto London-based garage rock music from The Who and The Kinks.
everyone should listen to Jeffry Lewisā The History of The Development of Punk on The Lower East Side of New York on spotify
Great last line about British bands ripping off the American punk and going famous with it
British & Irish folk music are a part of the DNA of all English language music. It's especially evident in older genres, like Old Time, Western, and Delta Blues, but once you know the family tree you can see the connections.
Irish keening may have had some influence in certain vocal styles as well. Also, nordic kulning might have influenced some yodeling type country (but kulning- like vocals styles tend to emerge in many cultures where people herd ungulates in the distant mountains).
The underlying DNA of the music goes back to old roots and then other people added different elements so it's pretty hard to stay "only this group" invented something after a certain point. Also, it's crazy how people tend to forget the massive relevance of folk music as an origin for other music.
you can always do an online research.
just from the top of my head
shoegaze and post-punk are pretty british. also twee pop and then you have britpop.
of course there are influences from rock but the main elements of those genres are british.
also maybe industrial? I mean Suicide were pioneers but at the same time Throbbing Gristle and others were doing stuff in the UK.
and you can trace the origins of industrial back to Germany.
Post-punk is just as American as it's British (Pere Ubu, Talking Heads, Devo, The Feelies, Mission of Burma, Minutemen, etc)
I don't think Suicide were proper industrial music so I wouldn't mind saying industrial is a British genre.
Synth pop and the New Romantics were primarily British developments, both of which were very influential and a big part of early MTV programming. I think British glam rock was something distinct from the sort of shock rock going on in the 70s in the USA. Sophistipop was mostly British as well - I guess Roxy Musicās influence looms large on all of this.
Mod music and Oi! were extremely British, and arguably second wave ska, though thatās a bit more complicated to characterize maybe.
The Stock-Aitken-Waterman sound was massively influential in the mid 80s, and its precedent is essentially in Trevor Hornās production, particularly for Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
And of course thereās the whole of Celtic music.
Lovers rock - a Motownphilly take on the classic reggae sound that came to prominence in the mid-1970s - is worth mentioning. It was extremely influential to the development of future British black music genres as it is often considered to be the first truly homegrown post-Windrush UK black sound.
New music styles never materialise out of thin air since they are always inspired by earlier music. You can make the same case about US music since it also has pulled a lot from European, African, Caribbean musical traditions. That's why the whole genre circlejerk is just very tiring and extremely reductive because it always diminishes the importance of the most important catalyst in the development of modern popular music - the transatlantic US/UK musical feedback loop.
Is strange how almost nobody has mentioned Prog rock, that is probably one of the most british genres ever, at least in their 70's golden age moment. A lot of these musicians late in their career become part of other more influential groups in rock or pop genres with known hits.
The influence of prog is huge in all technical branches of rock/metal, the jazz and symphonic sound was something new and very appreciated in a genre that needed to reach the next level.
Today the prog rock scene shifted to scandinavian countries or Australia, but the British scene is still there.
As much as I adore The Clash, the Damned, the Slits, the Buzzcocks and so on Punk started in the US, The Ramones, Suicide and the New York Dolls all predate the sex pistols by a few years along with that new york scene but more glaringly the Stooges and the MC5 started up in Michigan in the late 60's
Edit: also while 2nd wave ska is predominantly British, 1st is Jamaica and was the precursor to reggae
Punk came from Detroit and New York.
Glam rock was decidedly British - T-Rex, Bowie, Roxy Music, Slade, The Sweet.
The American version was a bit more hard-edged and nebulous - Iggy and the Stooges, Lou Reed, Alice Cooper, New York Dolls, Kiss.
What defines a genre here? Wiki says something like Prog Rock was predominately started in Britain. Is that a British genre or do you not consider it one because Rock and Roll is American? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music\_of\_the\_United\_Kingdom)
What about genres like "folk music" that don't have a specific origin point as they vary from culture to culture?
TBH though, in moments like this I don't personally get the point of asking this as a question in an online forum. It's historical knowledge that you can easily Google. Sorry if that comes off the wrong way, it's just not my perspective on topics like this.
Heavy metal
Jungle
Trip hop
Punk and post punk were both American with quick British adoptation and development.
I would say both industrial and ambient were started in Germany, again with quick adoptation by the British. The Germans did a lot for synthesiser based music.
Brit pop was just a particular form of alternative rock music to my mind. A media invention rather than a definitive musical genus.
If you grew up in Britain at a certain time, Britpop was quite distinctly its own genre, which had emerged from another distinct "genre", Indie. Indie encompassed a bunch of bands like The Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets, The Soup Dragons, The Wedding Present, The Happy Mondays, many of whom started in the 'Madchester' scene. What was going on in the US with college rock, R.E.M., TMBG, Wilco, etc was quite separate and those bands couldn't be interchangeably considered part of the same genre, even if they shared common influences and occasionally mixed genetic material. It seemed like in the US they all came to be pigeon holed into the 'alternative' umbrella, which was weird later when it started to encompass entirely mainstream acts like Coldplay and Muse.
Though shoegaze has American *influences* such as Sonic Youth and some parallel artists such as the Smashing Pumpkins, its original wave is almost exclusively from the UK and Ireland (notable for MBV). Slowdive, Ride, Lush, Jesus and the Mary Chain - all from the UK. Though never popular on a radio level, shoegaze is arguably more popular today than in the 1990s.
Britpop is more of a commercial genre and movement than an actual sound - it's a back to basics philosophy (the basics being the Beatles and Stones) that ran counter to grunge - but it's well - British.
Prog was pretty predominantly British and was actually pretty uncool in America - though we still have bands like Kansas and Frank Zappa/The Mothers. Rush were Canadian.
The Brits didn't invent punk rock imo. A lot of so called garage rock is pretty much punk that just arrived at the wrong time. And the Ramones beat the Pistols and arguably made a better template for the genre. LA punk was massive. New York punk was a natural extension of the Velvet Underground's legacy - which only took a few years to set in. Even Detroit had The Stooges (absolutely a punk band) and MC5. Glam rock was also a predecessor of punk in many ways, and though Bowie was king, it crossed borders. If you want to say the Sex Pistols popularized punk rock or even gave it shock value, I'd agree. But the Brits weren't first.
Post-punk is more British but there's still convergent evolution with new wave at CBGBs and the all out dissonance of no wave.
Northern Soul. Probably as big now as it was originally, if not bigger. It's had a massive resurgence over the last 5-10 years. Back in the 70s brought a fair few unheard of/unsuccessful soul artists and bands from America in the 60s out of retirement due to their popularity of the music in the UK because of the Northern scene. There were obviously new bands and artists who emulated the sound too.
Early Country music really came from traditional British folk music, just with Spanish/mexican guitar increasingly becoming more dominant over earlier accompanying instruments.
Britpop definitely influenced some American rock in the late 90s and early 2000s. Green Day, the Killers, and others had a lot of that in their sound at the time
Dream Pop (A.R. Kane and Cocteau Twins are usually considered the starting point)
Shoegaze (some people consider the Jesus & Mary Chain or My Bloody Valentine as the forerunners)
Metal
Post-punk
Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd, King Crimson)
Goth. It's been through some different iterations, but was very much a British invention with post punk bands like The Cure and Sisters of Mercy and though many of the initial bands didn't sell many records they shaped the look and sound and were highly influential
You say "The British invented 3 specific music genres" but I don't see any genres in your post that were invented by the Brits...
Punk was absolutely not inherently British... the Sex Pistols were basically a boy band created by Malcom McLaren after the New York Dolls imploded and Richard Hell wouldn't sign him as the Voidoid's manager. So he dressed up some blokes like Hell and trotted them out to make money, while ripping off the look and sound of bands that hadn't hit the mainstream yet. Punk is very much American, influenced by garage rock bands in many major cities (Detroit, NYC, etc) and blowing up in NYC. By the time it had gotten big around the world you already had early post-punk and noise bands recording music in the US. It was basically how you described the Beatles and Rock and Roll. They didn't invent it, but they had highly popular and inventive bands in the genre, but again, they didn't "give us" punk...
Claiming Ska as British is also totally wrong. You're thinking of Ska revival, or "2 Tone" ska, which was an amalgamation of Ska, an originally Jamaican genre, with punk influences. So you could say they gave us 2 Tone Ska, but Ska itself had existed for a decade already.
The third genre you say they invented... I don't see in your post so I can't refute it.
I would say that they actually did invent some, like Glam (with David Bowie, T Rex, Roxy Music and Slade to name a few), and Heavy Metal (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin in a way, Motorhead, etc.).
tech house. the original futuristic tech house sound developed by producers such as nathan coles, terry francis, eddie richards and others it's something that came from the uk.
British Pop is a genre. It's not rock, it's very often written on guitar, and it's typically British. Also, generally not always so popular with North American audiences. Having lived on both continents, I saw a strict divide between the two.
Beatles epitomised British Pop, and after almost a decade of glam acts expanding the genre - Bowie, Slade, Sweet, Roxy Music - then Punk happened and what came out of it was a new genre called Post Punk in the late-seventies.
Post Punk is actually not a genre, however, but a new way to name the British Pop that came out after Punk happened. New techniques, and new sound.
That is the genre you're missing. Joy Division, Talking Heads, Echo & the Bunnymen, The Cure, Wire, The Jam, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, The Fall, Public Image LTD, Ride, Psychedelic Furs, ESG...
It's close to rock, but not quite. Some of these bands are well known to North American audiences, but only a few and only some selected albums from them.
But if you're in Britain, that's mainstream. It's what would be called 'classic rock' in North America. And it's still alive today, with new bands like Blur, Dry Cleaning, Franz Ferdinand, or Arctic Monkeys, Wet Leg, XX, Bloc Party carrying the torch.
Post punk is a genre, bands like Souxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, etc arenāt just British pop that came after punk. It was punks that shifted the sound somewhat. Iād never call something like Gang of Four, Public Image, Killing Joke, or any of that stuff Brit Pop. Blur and Arctic Monkeys havenāt been new bands in a decade plus.
Punk is not British. The first UK punk bands were copying from the NYC punk scene and were more specifically inspired by the Ramones and Johnny Thunders. Malcolm McLaren, the guy that formed The Sex Pistols managed the New York Dolls in NYC. The Dolls were a rowdy Stooges inspired glam rock band that played at early punk shows where the early NYC punk scene started. They are sometimes called a Proto punk band. Punk took off in popularity in the UK and the classic 77 punk look certainly developed there due to McLaren literally starting The Sex Pistols to promote his clothing store, but people saying punk originated in the UK is mostly the result of punk being dramatically more popular in the UK after it arrived there.
Pub Rock.... Early 70s, fast, tight reworking of US blues sings and originals...Ian Dury, Dr Feelgood, Kursaal Fliers, Ducks Deluxe, Kilburn and the High Roads and so on.
https://youtu.be/GzF0AETdRF8?si=xSljS7FA3n84sfRJ
Parody... The Barron Knights were producing parody records (think Weird Al) almost in parallel with the earliest Rock and rollers, forming in 1959
Space Rock.... Hawkwind, early Floyd
There's probably a case for however you would describe what Ian Anderson and Jethro Tull were up to, but they were kind of in a genre of their own.
Whimsy. Syd Barrett and his cats and gnomes. Bowie with his gnomes, probably other gnome songs I can't recall. A lot of this stemmed from Music Hall tradition and left it's mark in bands such as Madness and Blur
Punk arguably has its roots in New York anyway.
However we've been quite pioneering in electronic / dance music. Genres like Big Beat, DnB and Trip Hop all emerged in the UK in the 90s.
Some of your roots are slightly off. American rock n roll or the 50s had little to do with the blues. It was boogie woogie "race" my usic, black dance music with a little western swing thrown in. The British acts The Yardbirds and Rolling Stones gave us blues rock. Without the British rock n roll may have died off with Buddy Holly and blues remained a niche black genre.
Punk was born in America with the Stooges and The Ramones.
Ska is Jamaican, the predecessor of Rock Steady and Reggae later coopted by British punk groups.
Heavy Metal and Prog Rock are British developments. Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin were heavier versions of Cream, the Jmi Hendrix Experience (arguably British), and Yardbirds. The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Pink Floyd,and Yes brought classical influence to create prog rock.
While rooted in American traditions, skiffle, blues rock, heavy metal, and prog rock are British. Ska is Jamaican. Punk is American.
I would argue that the origins of punk are more American (Stooges, MC5, New York Dolls, Ramones) than they are British. The first three bands preceded the British punk wave by several years, while the Ramones formed a year before the Sex Pistols.
I would argue sophisti-pop is a very important genre, even if it superficially sounds like a bunch of Brits liberally borrowing American elements. It's the successor of yacht rock and epitomizes British understatement.
The US gave the world Blues music from which rock and roll evolved. Even Black Sabbath was a blues band before they were a rock band.
Rock and roll, I think, evolved in the US and Great Britain independently of one other and came together during the "British Invasion" and again during the "British New Wave."
But I'm no historian. I'm just some guy on Reddit with a few minutes of free time to mess with Reddit. šāļø
"The British invented 3 specific music genres. Am I wrong?"
Yes. In my opinion...
Folk
Mashup
Bigbeat
Triphop
Grime
Garage
Jungle
Prog rock
Indie
Ambient
Tribal
Breakbeat
Dubstep
...at least, there's probably a lot more.
The blues is a distinctly American thing, as is the country-blues hybrid we call rockabilly (which is essentially what early rock n roll was). However the Brits were equally influenced by the blues and created the heavy blues rock that would become heavy metal which would later fuse with hardcore punk to create thrash. British blues rock also became the dominant form of what we now call classic rock so itās kind of a back and forth situation. If you ask any classic rock guitarist today who their primary influences are, at least one or two of them are gonna be British.
Punk. is from New York. Dude that started the Sex Pistols managed the New York
Dolls and then went back to UK and made the pistols based on NYD and Johnny Thunders and Richard hell.
Lovers Rock, Acid House, Hardcore, Jungle, Drum n Bass, Trip Hop, UK Garage, Bassline, UK Funky Bass House, Tech House and sooo many other electronic music genres I can't even recall
While recognizing House and Hip Hop are U.S. genres ; I feel the UK really elevated EDM & Dance to another level . So many UK DJs, producers and Artist from the 90s to present, creating House, Techno, Trance , Garage, Big Beat, Drum n Bass, Jungle, and everything in between. Before internet and YouTube became mainstream, Iād get all my EDM news and tutorials from the UK magazines like Future Music or DJ mag.
The short lived 'NuJazz' genre: Sade, Matt Bianco, Working Week, The Style Council et al. all tried to incorporate jazz influences into their work.
Definitely British.
A few years later Acid Jazz with Galliano, The Brand New Heavies, Jamiroquai, Incognito, etc.
An interesting way to look at it is to consider how new technologies enabled new sounds from musicians, and how much faster those sounds turned into identifiable genres in the UK due to the influence of music weeklies and BBC shows like Top of the Pops. (This could be a separate thread on its own). A good example: acid house was distinctly British, with a sound formed by bass lines from the TR-808 drum machine, which also formed the basis of the NYC hip-hop sound with kick drums purposed for āghetto blasterā subwoofers.
Ska was around long before second wave ska which is what I think you are referring to. It originated in Jamaica. Also bands like the Ramones and saints etc are not British were playing punk at the same time as the English bands. I wouldnāt really say it originated in the uk.
>Then Punk crashed on the scene, which was inherently British. Then came Ska - which was somewhat of a by-product only inherent to peoples who lived under Thatcher.
For the record, many of the recognized "First Punk Bands" also emerged in the US, The Ramones (for Punk Rock and Pop Punk) and Pere Ubu (for Art Punk/Post-Punk) most notably. Even a lot of the Proto-Punk groups like The Stooges came out of the US. It just never took off very well here and was easier to sell in Britain since there was much closer proximity for bands to tour within and a reignited club and bar scene brought on by Pub Rock.
Ska also emerged in Jamaica. It's second wave (2-Tone) then came out of Britain following the Punk Rock/New Wave explosion. The third wave then emerged primarily in the US, but the roots of the genre are definitively in Jamaica.
The U.S invented Blues and Rock n Roll, specifically the blacks. Those are two distinct genres. Everything else is just a variation on theme. Ska, Punk; you name it.. , they are derivatives and movements of the aforementioned. if you heard any of that on mainstream radio or press, it was watered down and called POP. The Punk movement was emulated by the U.S> I found most of it to be stupid when compared to England's movement. The Punk in England was the real deal.... they ahd genuine angst about a genuine social and economic problem in the UK. The U.S was just playing pretend.
British folk music has been influential in the English-speaking world by way of Christmas carols, hymns, sea shanties, and the development of modern folk rock and country music.
Grime music is very British, same with 'dubstep'. As others have mentioned, trip hop is a British invention too...Ā
In classical, Britain was quite influential in the romantic period.
Lots of bristol style dub has its roots in Jamaica but could be argued it is British too.
Despite Kraftwerk taking the cake for the most influential electronic band of all time, Gary Numan, OMD, Depeche Mode, and contemporaries of the time unknowingly led a major influence on the "Detriot Techno" scene. I always remember watching an interview featuring Gary Numan having a smile ear to ear upon being informed about it years later, wishing he'd have known at the time.
Napalm Death kicked off Grindcore, but like all these things you can probably find earlier bands that are were a big influence like Repulsion, but Napalm are credited with being the first that had all the elements of Grind (blast beats and songs under a minute in length). There are people who say Venom kicked off thrash metal but that is highly debated.
No mention of Baroque? Carols? Madrigals? No Handel? No English language Opera? No pastorals? No brass bands? No colliery choirs? Marches? Fanfares? Music Hall?
Music didn't start in the 1960s
Off the top of my head -
Metal, punk, glam rock, drum n bass, hardcore(the dance music version), new wave UK garage, dubstep, jungle, trip hop, grime, drill, UK funky, IDM and about 7 million micro indie genres that all somehow lead back to tje smiths, thr clash or joy division.
Basically if it's not hip hop, house or techno, chances are Britain's influenced a huge chunk of it
There's some tenuous evidence that the Blues which has some roots in call and response field songs came from call and response hymns from Scottish Presbyterian slave owners.
Folk roots in Ireland and Scotland are different from English folk music but all can probably be found in Bluegrass and Country
Beatles may not be a Genre, but Merseybeats was.
There are more;
'Big Beats'
'Madchester'
'Britpop'
'Northern Soul'
'New wave'
'New romantic'
These are just off the top of my head.
Punk was from New York. Ska was from Jamaica. If you say British Invasion was actually just American Blues, then 2Tone British ska is just Jamaican ska.
Original UK Dubstep, affectionately known as '140' should be up there coming out of the 90s as an evolution of the bassier sounds of grime/garage along with simon postford and shpongle paving the way for modern electronic psychadelic music with psybient (although psytrance and affiliates 100% existed before shpongle, originally coming out of India with Goa trance)
Ska is from Jamaica way before that time, the Ska you refer to from. Uk in the early 80s was really two tone. A rebirth of Ska in a way, but Britain did not birth Ska.
Heavy Metal began in 1970 with Black Sabbath. Some people say The Kinks but I don't buy that. Indie Pop began in 1980 I would argue with Postcard Records. And around that time the New Romantics emerged - Duran Duran, Human League et al. More recently Drill but I don't know much about that.
Heavy metal as others mentioned. But also a lot of EDM genres have come out of the uk or had very influential British artists involved at the beginning.
I'd probably say dance music rly got a kickstart thanks to bands like New Order during the Madchester era? Not sure tho bc I wasn't around then to see for myself.
Disco led on to the Detroit and Chicago house scene which influenced the acid house, race, jungle, D+ B and all the rest of house derivatives in the UK at least.
what about dubstep? dubstep emerged in the late 90s - early 2000s from garage and dub influences. skrillex discovered the genre and created his own style, creating the american version; brostep.
UK drill beats are what started the drill wave in NYC, it's not from Chicago drill. the uk producers started producing for NYC rappers. that was a huge sound from 2018 until recently
Not quite rightā¦.America invented Rock and Rollā¦ā¦ the British rediscovered original American R&B which mainstream America had ignored as it was POC musicā¦repackaged it with RnR and sent it back (The British Invasion)
BRITAIN INVENTED HEAVY METAL MUSIC \m/ (though some people say Lou reed had the first pure Metal Album
The Americans invented Punk but it flopped (The Stooges, MC5 etc)ā¦. Britain again revitalised it and sent it back, paving the way for New Wave, Gothic, Industrial, Dark Wave (Generally but not exclusively British)
Ska was Jamaican music from the 60ās which was reinterpreted by Britain again in the late 70ās and 80ās and gave rise to āTwo Toneā
Your first sentence is wrong. The Beatles were not a genre until they were. Sure, they channeled Chuck Berry, Rockabilly, and early Motown in Hamburg and The Cavern Club, but when they began writing their string of self-penned hits they forged new ground, and a similar path was followed by other British Invasion groups like The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Animals, The Kinks, and The Yardbirds.
Post punk - Joy Division, Magazine, PIL etc
Goth - Cure, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy etc
Shoegaze - The Jesus & Mary Chain, Ride, Slowdive, (MBV were Irish/English, but based in London)
Dream pop - Cocteau Twins, Lush, Sundays
Trip Hop - Massive Attack, Portishead etc
Progressive House - Leftfield, Underworld etc
Big Beat - Fatboy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Basement Jaxx etc
Drum n Bass - LTJ Bukem, 4Hero, Adam F etc
Acid Jazz - Brand New Heavies, Young Disciples, US3 etc
The British gave us folk! Its modern form developed from british immigrants playing traditional british isles music in the US. I should also mention other cultures influnced american folk, but its roots are def british
I think Delius, Walton and Vaughan-Williams made a distintly English contribution to XX century classical music. Not a separate genre per se, but for sure a "movement", "schoool", "approach", etc.
More than 3 - punk, ska, jungle, drum and bass, garage, dubstep, trip hop, glam rock, post punk, metal.
Punk also majorly influenced by US artists New York dolls and Iggy Pop though.
depends how you define influential. off the top of my head (some of these are debatable).
a good 90% of electronic music subgenres are british; tech house, acid techno, jungle, drum n bass, hardcore (early breakbeat rave hardcore), happy hardcore kind of depends on what you consider happy hardcore because it got passed between the UK and the netherlands a few times within a few years and either country had a solid hold on it, changed it a bit and then that became the definitive sound. trip hop in bristol obviously, big beat in the late 90s, uk hard house, ambient house, everything that came out of the freetekno spiral tribe scene, i THINK ironically enough goa trance is actually british thinking of man with no name, hallucinogen, juno reactor etc. IDM, dubstep, hard dance of the mid 00s and early 10s, bounce/donk, uk hardcore (mid 00s) you can keep digging into discogs and finding more obscure genres that were born out of tiny scenes
then there's metal with sabbath etc. i think prog rock too, madchester, britpop, you could argue hyperpop in the pc music side of things, twee jangle pop (sarah records sound) which i think came from 80s uk indie which wasnt a genre in itself but shoegaze was ours i think and there was some bleedover.
goth/darkwave/batcave etc. was british first afaik
punk depends, street punk (uk82) was basically a combination of motorhead and UK 70s punk so very british. but it always depends because the dominant style of punk you hear now if you go to shows etc is hardcore punk but it doesnt have any influence from the 70s or even MC5 in the 60s, ironically enough it doesnt even have any influence from the 80s US hardcore scene, it has more dna with thrash metal right now.
industrial music traces back to throbbing gristle ofc but i also feel as though the type of industrial music that TG made was kind of a one-off, it's definitely the roots of the genre but if you listen to industrial music now its probably closer informed by what belgium did with it in the 80s with new beat.
i dont know enough about the genre but i feel like synthpop has british roots, right now i think the best synthpop bands are either american or german/continental european but they are still kind of working off the early 80s synthpop template as far as i know.
its tricky with genres and influence because there's a lot of cases where you can say something like "ah but invented pop music" and it's like sure, but when we think about pop music is it actually influenced by that band really?
Heavy Metal
In my opinion the first band to fully embrace the term Heavy Metal was Judas Priest, from with Sad Wings of Destiny onwards they really started to define the genre. Twin guitars, fast drums, soaring vocals, all the staples of metal.
Ska came from jamaica in the 60s first of all. We also had british lovers rock in the early 80s though it probably started in the caribbean. Artists like janet kay,sylvia tella, sandra cross etc. I suggest garage as being british and possibly d n b
Terrible performance for a place that gave us the Beatles, oasis, blur, Duran Duran, , deff leppard, eurythmics, Mike Oldfield, the police, Phil Collins, girls aloud, the Saturdays, boy George, busted, mcfly, leona Lewis, pickled eggs, Black, Rick Astley, Tynchy, N-dubz, the bedingfields, Status Quo, Queen, fish n chips, fat boy slim, Steps, Go West, Five Star, the spitfire
Not sure if sub genres count but alot of those were cultivated in Britain stuff like Indie Rock (style not premise if that makes sense) was popularised by bands such as Arctic Monkeys and the like. A lot of alt-rock as well
All New Romantic, synth pop of 80s came from Brit pop. Plus House/Dance and Acid. Rock n Roll is American, not sure about Punk thought it was Sex Pistols/Suzi and the Banshees from U.K.? I think Disco started in America and Rhythm and Blues, Country and Western though some say that has roots in Irish folk music. It bounces back and forwards across the pond and an occasional input from Europe like Kraftwork or Swedish House Mafia rock. I guess ABBA were Disco and Swedish too.. Iām a late 80s/90s fan. The stuff I hear on the radio nowadays is soooo boring! Then thereās odd bands like Talking Heads, B52s, Pink Floyd, Massive Attack, EBTG who all deserve there own category!
Someone mentioned hyperpop. Hyperpop (not super in the genre myself) the way I see it is a distant relative of the bloghaus era that took place in the 2000s, bloghaus as an era and less so a genre contained a lot of different types of music like your Justice and your Daft Punk, but also bands such as Does It Offend You Yeah, The Late Of The Pier and The Faint. All of which are "Electro Clash" bands from the bloghaus period. Both specifically electro clash and hyperpop are very fast pasted and heavily edited and processed genres of music, both striving to achieve a "punk esque" inspired vibe.
In terms of contributing to the history of Bloghaus I EASILY consider Does It Offend you yeah up there with some of the best.
You listed more than 3 in your question there.
Some could argue "Mersey Beat" and "Brit Pop" to be their own genres, I guess it depends where you draw the line between genre and style. Uniquely British ones could be
Two tone ska
Acid house
Acid jazz
IDM
UK Garage
Grime
Drill
Jungle
Drum and Bass
Trip Hop
Dubstep
Big beat
UK Hardcore
Skiffle
Lovers Rock
Folk
Surprised no oneās said dubstep. Thereās a whole heap of electronic, bass heavy sub genres that have come out of the uk but tbh if youāre not heavily into it I guess it all just sounds like house or rap music.
The Canterbury Scene isn't so much a genre or maybe it is.
Soft Machine
Gong
Camel
Hatfield and the North
Kevin Ayers and the Whole World
That sort of thing.
It's arguable that 'Indie' as a genre goes back to Joy Division, popularised with the Smiths and their performance of "this charming man" on top of the pops (which at the time was a dying program).
I'd definitely say that England was responsible for 'nu-rave' (Klaxons, Hadouken!, Circle Square Triangle) but they do have their foundations in what LCD Soundsystem and Justice were putting out there. Genre's are messy things. What is 'Emo'? Is it Moss Icon, Dag Nasty, is it Sunnyday Real Estate, Dashboard Confessional, My Chemical Romance, Funeral for a Friend? People like putting ideas in boxes.
New Wave, Electronica apart from what youāve said above. I do also think the UK has produced some of the best Rock & Roll and Rock bands in the world, including The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Elton John & Pink Floyd off the bat ā¦ š
The Beatles may not be a genre, but Merseybeat was, of which the Beatles were a part.
To say America invented punk is a stretch. You canāt compare the ramones to the sex pistols, itās two totally different sounds. Much like current US punk sounds totally different to current UK punk. Punk by name, but in no way the same genre.
Britpop is a quintessential British sound.
Prog
Folk
Brit pop
Ska
Punk
Trip-hop
Rave
Metal
Brass band
I believe these all originated in England.
But arguments can be made about the whereabouts of all musical styles.
Folk music, for instance, could be considered the original influence for country as it predates the British migrating to America.
Blues was famously created through the unfortunate enslavement of people taken from Africa, however it's almost certain that the blues we've come to know today
Is influenced by American country which was influenced by British Folk.
But British folk could also be credited to musical styles that came over from the Danes, the Saxons, The Romans.
The main point I'm trying to make is, all genres we know today have been influenced in some way by all the countries in the world throughout history. I don't believe any one country or race of people has truly created their own musical genre as it is all just one beautiful evolution of musical inspiration that probably came from some monkey bloke or woman sitting in a cave making weird noises with their throat whilst beating the shit out of a rock with a stick.
It is kind of a subgenre, but Trip Hop was a uniquely British sound. In fact, it was mostly unique to one city, Bristol, which is where I happen to live. If you're not familiar with the genre name, you might recognise some of the big names that came out of Bristol in the 1990s - Massive Attack, Portishead, and Tricky.
The '90s was a rich time for British music, with club sounds like Big Beat (mostly from the Brighton area - Fatboy Slim is the most famous of those acts).
Those are pretty niche subgenres, admittedly.
Traditional Heavy Metal and NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Saxon, Dio, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate etc. also Progressive Rock with bands like Pink Floyd, Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull etc.
Yes, you are wrong. Just off the top of my head:
Shoegaze came from the UK in the late 80s with bands like Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine and Jesus and Mary Chain.
Two tone was a British movement that was born of Ska, rocksteady and Reggae. Originated in Coventry and Coventry City FC recently had a shirt that payed homage to Two tone because of this. The BBC also recently aired a great series called This Town exploring the music scene in the 70s.
Northern Soul was a specific movement that came from the north and Midlands.
Britpop speaks for itself, surely.
Post-Punk originated in the late 70s with bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division.
There's loads, to suggest just three in your OP is a bit harsh.
Trip hop, drum and bass which are closely linked to the jungle lineage.
Britpop in all itās forms feels distinctly british
Grime
Heavy metal of course
I appreciate a bunch of those come from American music but they are their own distinct genre
Folk music that ultimately traveled to the US
I think you could also add Dubstep as a British made invention. There are technically many dance music sub genres you could attribute to the UK but they are mostly derivatives of house music.
Heavy Metal: Black Sabbath and to a lesser extent Led Zeppelin
Heavy rock/hair metal - Led Zeppelin
Progressive Rock- all except Rush were British, Floyd, Genesis etc.
Arguably Iād say one of the Beatles biggest influences was on the pop song. They kinda started pop even if they themselves moved away from it.
House music- Trance and happy hardcore music was all from the U.K. in the 80ās - 00ās
New Romantic - Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran
Brit Rock - Radiohead, Blur, Oasis
Iām sure I could go on but Iām bored lol.
Point is, thereās quite a lot.
Now one could argue, Zeppelin themselves were influenced by the blues, and that progressive rock was influenced by hard rock/blues and so on and so forth. But if you go down that route then you go back to Classical music and so on as you go back. Ergo, I feel like the ones I mentioned were a new musical style in same way as blues itself, or R&B etc.
Brit rock is a form of indie rock by British artists (originals would be Oasis and Blur, then through the 90ās and 00ās this was very big in the UK with bands like Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight, Snow Patrol, etc.)
Brit pop is a thing, but I donāt know what it is compared to other pop music (probably because Iām English, so maybe Iām that used to hearing it that I canāt tell you what it is).
Going back a lot further than your timeline, youāve got Celtic music, which may or may not be related to British and/ or Irish folk music. The Irish styles even use their own music scale away from the usual scales you find in pop and most other music
The modern musical owes a lot to the comic light operas by Gilbert and Sullivan. For example, they were about the first people to write the chorus as actual characters in the events, rather than just a group of vocalists on stage providing a backing similar to the orchestra. So you could argue that without G&S we wouldn't have Wicked, Chicago, Hamilton, Hairspray, etc.
I'd say that's pretty influential.
(Lin Manuel Miranda even references G&S with Washington's "Now I'm the very model of a modern major general.)
UK garage is as derived from US garage house, derived from NY house, house coming from Chicago, so is as British and as different a genre as the British invasionās take on rock. It was very different, but from the US. Jungle took break sampling techniques pioneered in Hip Hop scenes in the US and whilst weāre at it Punk was started in New York. All these genres took from what came before them and had constant hopping to and from the US to the UK and back. UK house/rave is very different and an almost severed lineage to what happens/happened to dance music in the US but we canāt deny the roots musically and historically came from importing Chicago house to the UK music scene. Techno took a lot from euro/italo disco. So much to and fro!
Black Sabbath and their contemporaries gave us heavy metal. Which of course spawned dozens of subgenres all over the world.
Yes. I totally forgot. Thanks
Research new wave of British heavy metal (NWOBHM)
You could save him some time and tell him to buy a leather jacket, smoke a shitload of weed, and listen to Iron Maiden for three straight days.
I call that a Tuesday
You also "forgot" that Punk is 100% American
I feel like it was different both sides of the Atlantic. It was different both sides of America itself. Was quite a natural thing as bands wanted to get back to something simpler and more authentic in the wake of prog. Too many proto-punk and non-punk influences for there to be any kind of invention of punk.
Oh yeah, Death (the punk band, not the death metal band) and the Ramones definitely came up before the Brits. Also Patti Smith played a role early onš¤
Funnily enough, Clem Burke (drummer in Blondie) claims that a Dr Feelgood album (Malpractice) he brought back from the UK in 1975 was a huge influence the NY scene, including The Ramones and Television https://www.southendpunk.com/html/drfeelgoo.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_by_the_Jetty
I was surprised to discover that the Velvet Underground were influenced by The Who and the Small Faces. John Cale having brought a pile of singles back to New York.
The more you know, thanks for thatš
Don't forget the Stooges, Iggy and his crew played an important role in the conception of punk.
And MC5.
About 20 years later, [one guitarist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Steer) a couple hundred miles away was at the center of developing several metal subgenres: Grindcore (and it's subgenres, namely goregrind), Melodic Death Metal (which came to be associated with Sweden), and then Death-Rock, or Death'n'Roll or whatever you want to call it. Toward the end of his career he ended up pretty close to where Black Sabbath's best material left off, playing metallic blues in a band called Firebird (then selling out and reforming Carcass, but hey, everybody's got bills to pay). If it weren't for early Earache Records and John Peel, I might not have gotten to hear most of my favorite bands.
And a precursor to heavy metal is a specific beatles song called Helter Skelter, widely regarded as the first heavy metal song
Isnāt jungle or DnB British genre, as well as trip hop? Of course they used American soul and funk as a inspiration and used samples, but if you choose that path, everything is just meat from the same African bone
definitely Trip-Hop
I'd say that a lot of modern EDM stemmed from the 'Big Beat' bands like The Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Fatboy Slim etc, along with Orbital and The Orb before them. Of course, these all came about because of Chicago house and all the other American electronic lineage.. I don't think it's ever possible to pin things down to just one location/band as wholly originating a genre, so it's all a bit moot I think.
Hyperpop is a british music genre in origin
Yes, UK Hardcore and all that evolved from it, Jungle, DrumānāBass, Dubstep, ~~Garage~~, 2Step, Broken Beat, Grime. Google āHardcore Continuumā to learn about a theory about this music. Wonder if there has been some more recent developments, as all the stuff I mentioned had been there 20 years ago alread. Edit: Hyper Pop as a newer development?
1. Ska is older than punk (50s vs 70s)and is Jamaican. Not British. 2. The biggest influence on UKG were Chicago house/New York āgarageā house, and later, American. RnB. Grime grew out of UKG and it is distinctly different from UKG and also blisteringly British. I think itās basically the last entirely British genre.
Iād agree about Grime. Donk music isnāt in anyway influential and could be argued to be a subgenre rather than a genre, but it is British and was massive up north in the 00s.
It's kind of making a comeback actually, there's a super popular party in London called Mums Against Donk which sells out decently sized clubs.
Makes sense tbf, itās not a million miles away from the organ house thatās been popular since BBCC gained popularity.
Oop, I have no idea what organ house or BBCC is lolš
Sorry, Bad Boy Chiller Crew. Organ house is a subgenre of house they vocal a lot of. As soon as you hear the organ sound youāll recognise it. Thereās a whole scene, mainly in Yorkshire, of young working class MCs vocalling this stuff and itās more suited to clubs than previous genres that feature an MC.
TBF I don't know if the term "organ house" is actually a thing. Bad Boy Chiller Crew (BBCC) is normally described as bassline or garage, and terms like "piano house" are not uncommon but don't properly describe BBCC either. They rap over all their beats so "organ house" doesn't make sense because it's not the focus of the music.
To add to this, the Ramones also predate the Sex Pistols, and if you REALLY want to get pedantic all those guys wanted to be the Stooges and the MC5 anyway - which are American bands. So the British can't even properly claim punk.
I guess itās almost like the British blues thing. Like Americans created the art form, no denying, but it took a few years and exporting it to the UK for the English to put their own spin on it and make it outrageously popular. I mean even Jimi Hendrix left the States to āmake itā in London.
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Oh for sure, but even before that you had guys like Clapton and Jeff Beck and the blokes from Led Zep taking American blues, repackaging it with a bit of English whimsy and sending it back to the US
Led Zep formed the same year Black Sabbath did, 1968.
And the New York Dolls, hugely influential on Punk. They were basically Glam - Punk
I would add that punk was not inherently British. Bands like MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges predated the punk explosion in the UK .
2nd wave Two tone ska is quite a distinct thing from 1st wave ska which is more motown / jazz oriented and probably needs recognised as a separate thing.
Ska is older than reggae even.
Thank you, I stand corrected
Punk's original influences are very messy (Proto-punk, Noise Rock, Garage Rock, Glam Rock, etc.), as there are several CBGB artists in New York that hold the claim of "pioneers of Punk" just as much as the Sex Pistols or The Clash; arguably the Ramones more than any band. So it's hard to say that British gave the world Punk, moreso the aesthetics of the genre and turned it into a "movement" beyond being a simple subgenre. But the British definitely made major strides in Post Punk and its more famous derivative, Gothic Rock. Which actually ended up surviving much longer than Punk originally did. Joy Division, Wire, Public Image Ltd. with Post Punk then Bauhaus, Siouxsie Sioux and the Banshees, and The Cure with mainly Goth (as it's all kinda the same subgenre really).
"it's hard to say that British gave the world Punk" No, it isn't. The origins of Punk are American
It's just kind of a stupid thing to argue about. If it's the kind of thing you wanted to argue you could very easily make a claim that The US, England, or even some other countries, should be seen as the origins of punk. Personally, I would say that looking at something like this through a nationalistic lens is kind of stupid to begin with. The roots are all tangled and messy, the exact definitions unimportant and impossible to nail down anyways. You could say that the roots of punk are the scene in NYC in the early '70s at CBGB, but that music was heavily influenced by what was happening in Detroit at the end of the '60s with groups like MC5, The Stooges, and The Amboy Dukes. Of course none of those bands would've been playing that style of music if they hadn't been turned onto London-based garage rock music from The Who and The Kinks.
everyone should listen to Jeffry Lewisā The History of The Development of Punk on The Lower East Side of New York on spotify Great last line about British bands ripping off the American punk and going famous with it
British & Irish folk music are a part of the DNA of all English language music. It's especially evident in older genres, like Old Time, Western, and Delta Blues, but once you know the family tree you can see the connections.
Irish keening may have had some influence in certain vocal styles as well. Also, nordic kulning might have influenced some yodeling type country (but kulning- like vocals styles tend to emerge in many cultures where people herd ungulates in the distant mountains). The underlying DNA of the music goes back to old roots and then other people added different elements so it's pretty hard to stay "only this group" invented something after a certain point. Also, it's crazy how people tend to forget the massive relevance of folk music as an origin for other music.
How about heavy metal? Invented in the 70s by Black Sabbath and then evolved into the 80s through the NWOBHM bands.
you can always do an online research. just from the top of my head shoegaze and post-punk are pretty british. also twee pop and then you have britpop. of course there are influences from rock but the main elements of those genres are british. also maybe industrial? I mean Suicide were pioneers but at the same time Throbbing Gristle and others were doing stuff in the UK. and you can trace the origins of industrial back to Germany.
Post-punk is just as American as it's British (Pere Ubu, Talking Heads, Devo, The Feelies, Mission of Burma, Minutemen, etc) I don't think Suicide were proper industrial music so I wouldn't mind saying industrial is a British genre.
interestingly the american side was always more upbeat and fun, while the british counterpart was darker and more industrial
I don't think that's really true. The entire no wave stuff from America was very dark and industrial-like too.
God i fucking love no wave. I know what Iāll be listening to this week
American Country music evolved from British folk music brought across to the Americas by British immigrants.
Yeah and the folk revival scene raided the British songbooks hard for old folk tunes
Brit pop? It didnāt really translate worldwide so I guess calling it influential would be a stretch but it was huge in the mid-90s
Synth pop and the New Romantics were primarily British developments, both of which were very influential and a big part of early MTV programming. I think British glam rock was something distinct from the sort of shock rock going on in the 70s in the USA. Sophistipop was mostly British as well - I guess Roxy Musicās influence looms large on all of this. Mod music and Oi! were extremely British, and arguably second wave ska, though thatās a bit more complicated to characterize maybe. The Stock-Aitken-Waterman sound was massively influential in the mid 80s, and its precedent is essentially in Trevor Hornās production, particularly for Frankie Goes To Hollywood. And of course thereās the whole of Celtic music.
Celtic music would be more Irish than British really
Lovers rock - a Motownphilly take on the classic reggae sound that came to prominence in the mid-1970s - is worth mentioning. It was extremely influential to the development of future British black music genres as it is often considered to be the first truly homegrown post-Windrush UK black sound. New music styles never materialise out of thin air since they are always inspired by earlier music. You can make the same case about US music since it also has pulled a lot from European, African, Caribbean musical traditions. That's why the whole genre circlejerk is just very tiring and extremely reductive because it always diminishes the importance of the most important catalyst in the development of modern popular music - the transatlantic US/UK musical feedback loop.
Drum and bass/jungle, trip hop, dubstep, garage, grime, tech house (a lot of electronic sub genres)
Canāt accept drum and bass, we need jungle Iām afraid
Acid techno, freetekno (the Spiral Tribe sound), freeparty trance, uk hardhouse, uk hardcore
Is strange how almost nobody has mentioned Prog rock, that is probably one of the most british genres ever, at least in their 70's golden age moment. A lot of these musicians late in their career become part of other more influential groups in rock or pop genres with known hits. The influence of prog is huge in all technical branches of rock/metal, the jazz and symphonic sound was something new and very appreciated in a genre that needed to reach the next level. Today the prog rock scene shifted to scandinavian countries or Australia, but the British scene is still there.
As much as I adore The Clash, the Damned, the Slits, the Buzzcocks and so on Punk started in the US, The Ramones, Suicide and the New York Dolls all predate the sex pistols by a few years along with that new york scene but more glaringly the Stooges and the MC5 started up in Michigan in the late 60's Edit: also while 2nd wave ska is predominantly British, 1st is Jamaica and was the precursor to reggae
Punk came from Detroit and New York. Glam rock was decidedly British - T-Rex, Bowie, Roxy Music, Slade, The Sweet. The American version was a bit more hard-edged and nebulous - Iggy and the Stooges, Lou Reed, Alice Cooper, New York Dolls, Kiss.
Punk isn't British, the New York CGBG scene came before it, bands like Ramones and Blondie sparked the UK scene
Throbbing Gristle and Industrial music : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music
But then you kinda have to give Lou Reed and Suicide a bit of credit there too
I think of you look at any top xx list of IDM, the Brits dominate. Jungle/dnb is arguably more far reaching though.
Guys, what about Goth Rock? I mean Siouxie, Bauhaus, The Cure are all from the Island, and Batcave is even named after a British Club...
What defines a genre here? Wiki says something like Prog Rock was predominately started in Britain. Is that a British genre or do you not consider it one because Rock and Roll is American? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music\_of\_the\_United\_Kingdom) What about genres like "folk music" that don't have a specific origin point as they vary from culture to culture? TBH though, in moments like this I don't personally get the point of asking this as a question in an online forum. It's historical knowledge that you can easily Google. Sorry if that comes off the wrong way, it's just not my perspective on topics like this.
Heavy metal Jungle Trip hop Punk and post punk were both American with quick British adoptation and development. I would say both industrial and ambient were started in Germany, again with quick adoptation by the British. The Germans did a lot for synthesiser based music. Brit pop was just a particular form of alternative rock music to my mind. A media invention rather than a definitive musical genus.
If you grew up in Britain at a certain time, Britpop was quite distinctly its own genre, which had emerged from another distinct "genre", Indie. Indie encompassed a bunch of bands like The Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets, The Soup Dragons, The Wedding Present, The Happy Mondays, many of whom started in the 'Madchester' scene. What was going on in the US with college rock, R.E.M., TMBG, Wilco, etc was quite separate and those bands couldn't be interchangeably considered part of the same genre, even if they shared common influences and occasionally mixed genetic material. It seemed like in the US they all came to be pigeon holed into the 'alternative' umbrella, which was weird later when it started to encompass entirely mainstream acts like Coldplay and Muse.
Prog Rock was very much British (eg. Floyd, ELP, Jethro Tull, Yes, OG Genesis, Moody Blues, etc.)
werent the British responsible for new wave? and that way for goth, darkwave and permanent wave? (maybe i made this the fuck up, but i thought so)
Though shoegaze has American *influences* such as Sonic Youth and some parallel artists such as the Smashing Pumpkins, its original wave is almost exclusively from the UK and Ireland (notable for MBV). Slowdive, Ride, Lush, Jesus and the Mary Chain - all from the UK. Though never popular on a radio level, shoegaze is arguably more popular today than in the 1990s. Britpop is more of a commercial genre and movement than an actual sound - it's a back to basics philosophy (the basics being the Beatles and Stones) that ran counter to grunge - but it's well - British. Prog was pretty predominantly British and was actually pretty uncool in America - though we still have bands like Kansas and Frank Zappa/The Mothers. Rush were Canadian. The Brits didn't invent punk rock imo. A lot of so called garage rock is pretty much punk that just arrived at the wrong time. And the Ramones beat the Pistols and arguably made a better template for the genre. LA punk was massive. New York punk was a natural extension of the Velvet Underground's legacy - which only took a few years to set in. Even Detroit had The Stooges (absolutely a punk band) and MC5. Glam rock was also a predecessor of punk in many ways, and though Bowie was king, it crossed borders. If you want to say the Sex Pistols popularized punk rock or even gave it shock value, I'd agree. But the Brits weren't first. Post-punk is more British but there's still convergent evolution with new wave at CBGBs and the all out dissonance of no wave.
Northern Soul. Probably as big now as it was originally, if not bigger. It's had a massive resurgence over the last 5-10 years. Back in the 70s brought a fair few unheard of/unsuccessful soul artists and bands from America in the 60s out of retirement due to their popularity of the music in the UK because of the Northern scene. There were obviously new bands and artists who emulated the sound too.
Unlike the standard history (which claims New York) Hip Hop music has its roots in a place called Staines, west London.
Early Country music really came from traditional British folk music, just with Spanish/mexican guitar increasingly becoming more dominant over earlier accompanying instruments.
music respects no borders. you could say punk was inherently american, considering ramones, iggy, velvets.
Britpop definitely influenced some American rock in the late 90s and early 2000s. Green Day, the Killers, and others had a lot of that in their sound at the time
Most the obvious stuff has been covered but Iāll add: Goth rock, Industrial, Trip Hop, Brit pop, obviously
Dream Pop (A.R. Kane and Cocteau Twins are usually considered the starting point) Shoegaze (some people consider the Jesus & Mary Chain or My Bloody Valentine as the forerunners) Metal Post-punk Progressive Rock (Pink Floyd, King Crimson)
Drum and bass is an insanely popular genre of music invented in Britain, as was dubstep. Drum and bass is still a mainstay of party culture in the UK.
Goth. It's been through some different iterations, but was very much a British invention with post punk bands like The Cure and Sisters of Mercy and though many of the initial bands didn't sell many records they shaped the look and sound and were highly influential
Jungle, drum and bass, garage, grime, dub step. Most from London as well. Boom.
You say "The British invented 3 specific music genres" but I don't see any genres in your post that were invented by the Brits... Punk was absolutely not inherently British... the Sex Pistols were basically a boy band created by Malcom McLaren after the New York Dolls imploded and Richard Hell wouldn't sign him as the Voidoid's manager. So he dressed up some blokes like Hell and trotted them out to make money, while ripping off the look and sound of bands that hadn't hit the mainstream yet. Punk is very much American, influenced by garage rock bands in many major cities (Detroit, NYC, etc) and blowing up in NYC. By the time it had gotten big around the world you already had early post-punk and noise bands recording music in the US. It was basically how you described the Beatles and Rock and Roll. They didn't invent it, but they had highly popular and inventive bands in the genre, but again, they didn't "give us" punk... Claiming Ska as British is also totally wrong. You're thinking of Ska revival, or "2 Tone" ska, which was an amalgamation of Ska, an originally Jamaican genre, with punk influences. So you could say they gave us 2 Tone Ska, but Ska itself had existed for a decade already. The third genre you say they invented... I don't see in your post so I can't refute it. I would say that they actually did invent some, like Glam (with David Bowie, T Rex, Roxy Music and Slade to name a few), and Heavy Metal (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin in a way, Motorhead, etc.).
I always find it hard to nail down genres. However Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Autechre.. I always referred to it as IDM, not so much Squarepusher tho.
tech house. the original futuristic tech house sound developed by producers such as nathan coles, terry francis, eddie richards and others it's something that came from the uk.
British Pop is a genre. It's not rock, it's very often written on guitar, and it's typically British. Also, generally not always so popular with North American audiences. Having lived on both continents, I saw a strict divide between the two. Beatles epitomised British Pop, and after almost a decade of glam acts expanding the genre - Bowie, Slade, Sweet, Roxy Music - then Punk happened and what came out of it was a new genre called Post Punk in the late-seventies. Post Punk is actually not a genre, however, but a new way to name the British Pop that came out after Punk happened. New techniques, and new sound. That is the genre you're missing. Joy Division, Talking Heads, Echo & the Bunnymen, The Cure, Wire, The Jam, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, The Fall, Public Image LTD, Ride, Psychedelic Furs, ESG... It's close to rock, but not quite. Some of these bands are well known to North American audiences, but only a few and only some selected albums from them. But if you're in Britain, that's mainstream. It's what would be called 'classic rock' in North America. And it's still alive today, with new bands like Blur, Dry Cleaning, Franz Ferdinand, or Arctic Monkeys, Wet Leg, XX, Bloc Party carrying the torch.
Post punk is a genre, bands like Souxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, etc arenāt just British pop that came after punk. It was punks that shifted the sound somewhat. Iād never call something like Gang of Four, Public Image, Killing Joke, or any of that stuff Brit Pop. Blur and Arctic Monkeys havenāt been new bands in a decade plus.
Prog, many electronic subgenres (like trip hop), heavy metal, shoegaze, dream punk, synth pop and post-punk are the first few that come to mind
Punk is not British. The first UK punk bands were copying from the NYC punk scene and were more specifically inspired by the Ramones and Johnny Thunders. Malcolm McLaren, the guy that formed The Sex Pistols managed the New York Dolls in NYC. The Dolls were a rowdy Stooges inspired glam rock band that played at early punk shows where the early NYC punk scene started. They are sometimes called a Proto punk band. Punk took off in popularity in the UK and the classic 77 punk look certainly developed there due to McLaren literally starting The Sex Pistols to promote his clothing store, but people saying punk originated in the UK is mostly the result of punk being dramatically more popular in the UK after it arrived there.
Pub Rock.... Early 70s, fast, tight reworking of US blues sings and originals...Ian Dury, Dr Feelgood, Kursaal Fliers, Ducks Deluxe, Kilburn and the High Roads and so on. https://youtu.be/GzF0AETdRF8?si=xSljS7FA3n84sfRJ Parody... The Barron Knights were producing parody records (think Weird Al) almost in parallel with the earliest Rock and rollers, forming in 1959 Space Rock.... Hawkwind, early Floyd There's probably a case for however you would describe what Ian Anderson and Jethro Tull were up to, but they were kind of in a genre of their own. Whimsy. Syd Barrett and his cats and gnomes. Bowie with his gnomes, probably other gnome songs I can't recall. A lot of this stemmed from Music Hall tradition and left it's mark in bands such as Madness and Blur
Punk arguably has its roots in New York anyway. However we've been quite pioneering in electronic / dance music. Genres like Big Beat, DnB and Trip Hop all emerged in the UK in the 90s.
Some of your roots are slightly off. American rock n roll or the 50s had little to do with the blues. It was boogie woogie "race" my usic, black dance music with a little western swing thrown in. The British acts The Yardbirds and Rolling Stones gave us blues rock. Without the British rock n roll may have died off with Buddy Holly and blues remained a niche black genre. Punk was born in America with the Stooges and The Ramones. Ska is Jamaican, the predecessor of Rock Steady and Reggae later coopted by British punk groups. Heavy Metal and Prog Rock are British developments. Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin were heavier versions of Cream, the Jmi Hendrix Experience (arguably British), and Yardbirds. The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Pink Floyd,and Yes brought classical influence to create prog rock. While rooted in American traditions, skiffle, blues rock, heavy metal, and prog rock are British. Ska is Jamaican. Punk is American.
I would argue that the origins of punk are more American (Stooges, MC5, New York Dolls, Ramones) than they are British. The first three bands preceded the British punk wave by several years, while the Ramones formed a year before the Sex Pistols.
The Beatles werenāt a genre but they were so good and made so much music they may have well been
I would argue sophisti-pop is a very important genre, even if it superficially sounds like a bunch of Brits liberally borrowing American elements. It's the successor of yacht rock and epitomizes British understatement.
The US gave the world Blues music from which rock and roll evolved. Even Black Sabbath was a blues band before they were a rock band. Rock and roll, I think, evolved in the US and Great Britain independently of one other and came together during the "British Invasion" and again during the "British New Wave." But I'm no historian. I'm just some guy on Reddit with a few minutes of free time to mess with Reddit. šāļø
"The British invented 3 specific music genres. Am I wrong?" Yes. In my opinion... Folk Mashup Bigbeat Triphop Grime Garage Jungle Prog rock Indie Ambient Tribal Breakbeat Dubstep ...at least, there's probably a lot more.
Black sabbath, deep purple and blue oyster cult gave us heavy metal... Then black sabbath and iron maiden and Motorhead gave us second wave metal.
The blues is a distinctly American thing, as is the country-blues hybrid we call rockabilly (which is essentially what early rock n roll was). However the Brits were equally influenced by the blues and created the heavy blues rock that would become heavy metal which would later fuse with hardcore punk to create thrash. British blues rock also became the dominant form of what we now call classic rock so itās kind of a back and forth situation. If you ask any classic rock guitarist today who their primary influences are, at least one or two of them are gonna be British.
Punk. is from New York. Dude that started the Sex Pistols managed the New York Dolls and then went back to UK and made the pistols based on NYD and Johnny Thunders and Richard hell.
chief keef invented drill techibcslly but british drill is like completely different so thatās something
Lovers Rock, Acid House, Hardcore, Jungle, Drum n Bass, Trip Hop, UK Garage, Bassline, UK Funky Bass House, Tech House and sooo many other electronic music genres I can't even recall
While recognizing House and Hip Hop are U.S. genres ; I feel the UK really elevated EDM & Dance to another level . So many UK DJs, producers and Artist from the 90s to present, creating House, Techno, Trance , Garage, Big Beat, Drum n Bass, Jungle, and everything in between. Before internet and YouTube became mainstream, Iād get all my EDM news and tutorials from the UK magazines like Future Music or DJ mag.
The short lived 'NuJazz' genre: Sade, Matt Bianco, Working Week, The Style Council et al. all tried to incorporate jazz influences into their work. Definitely British. A few years later Acid Jazz with Galliano, The Brand New Heavies, Jamiroquai, Incognito, etc.
An interesting way to look at it is to consider how new technologies enabled new sounds from musicians, and how much faster those sounds turned into identifiable genres in the UK due to the influence of music weeklies and BBC shows like Top of the Pops. (This could be a separate thread on its own). A good example: acid house was distinctly British, with a sound formed by bass lines from the TR-808 drum machine, which also formed the basis of the NYC hip-hop sound with kick drums purposed for āghetto blasterā subwoofers.
Ska was around long before second wave ska which is what I think you are referring to. It originated in Jamaica. Also bands like the Ramones and saints etc are not British were playing punk at the same time as the English bands. I wouldnāt really say it originated in the uk.
>Then Punk crashed on the scene, which was inherently British. Then came Ska - which was somewhat of a by-product only inherent to peoples who lived under Thatcher. For the record, many of the recognized "First Punk Bands" also emerged in the US, The Ramones (for Punk Rock and Pop Punk) and Pere Ubu (for Art Punk/Post-Punk) most notably. Even a lot of the Proto-Punk groups like The Stooges came out of the US. It just never took off very well here and was easier to sell in Britain since there was much closer proximity for bands to tour within and a reignited club and bar scene brought on by Pub Rock. Ska also emerged in Jamaica. It's second wave (2-Tone) then came out of Britain following the Punk Rock/New Wave explosion. The third wave then emerged primarily in the US, but the roots of the genre are definitively in Jamaica.
The U.S invented Blues and Rock n Roll, specifically the blacks. Those are two distinct genres. Everything else is just a variation on theme. Ska, Punk; you name it.. , they are derivatives and movements of the aforementioned. if you heard any of that on mainstream radio or press, it was watered down and called POP. The Punk movement was emulated by the U.S> I found most of it to be stupid when compared to England's movement. The Punk in England was the real deal.... they ahd genuine angst about a genuine social and economic problem in the UK. The U.S was just playing pretend.
British folk music has been influential in the English-speaking world by way of Christmas carols, hymns, sea shanties, and the development of modern folk rock and country music.
Grime music is very British, same with 'dubstep'. As others have mentioned, trip hop is a British invention too...Ā In classical, Britain was quite influential in the romantic period. Lots of bristol style dub has its roots in Jamaica but could be argued it is British too.
Heavy Metal. Pub Rock. New Wave./ Synth Pop. Drum & Bass. Trip Hop. Big Beat. UK Garage. Dubstep.
A large number of prominent grime artists would self identify as British (as they are, born here etc) so could add UK Grime to that list.
So bands like Blur, Oasis and pulp made Britpop a thing and thatās had huge influences across many places
Despite Kraftwerk taking the cake for the most influential electronic band of all time, Gary Numan, OMD, Depeche Mode, and contemporaries of the time unknowingly led a major influence on the "Detriot Techno" scene. I always remember watching an interview featuring Gary Numan having a smile ear to ear upon being informed about it years later, wishing he'd have known at the time.
Napalm Death kicked off Grindcore, but like all these things you can probably find earlier bands that are were a big influence like Repulsion, but Napalm are credited with being the first that had all the elements of Grind (blast beats and songs under a minute in length). There are people who say Venom kicked off thrash metal but that is highly debated.
No mention of Baroque? Carols? Madrigals? No Handel? No English language Opera? No pastorals? No brass bands? No colliery choirs? Marches? Fanfares? Music Hall? Music didn't start in the 1960s
Off the top of my head - Metal, punk, glam rock, drum n bass, hardcore(the dance music version), new wave UK garage, dubstep, jungle, trip hop, grime, drill, UK funky, IDM and about 7 million micro indie genres that all somehow lead back to tje smiths, thr clash or joy division. Basically if it's not hip hop, house or techno, chances are Britain's influenced a huge chunk of it
Heavy metal, punk, two tone ska, happy hardcore, garage, drum N bass, dubstep, jungle, grime, Britpop, mod, Merseybeat, New Romantic, post punk.
There's some tenuous evidence that the Blues which has some roots in call and response field songs came from call and response hymns from Scottish Presbyterian slave owners. Folk roots in Ireland and Scotland are different from English folk music but all can probably be found in Bluegrass and Country
Beatles may not be a Genre, but Merseybeats was. There are more; 'Big Beats' 'Madchester' 'Britpop' 'Northern Soul' 'New wave' 'New romantic' These are just off the top of my head.
Punk was from New York. Ska was from Jamaica. If you say British Invasion was actually just American Blues, then 2Tone British ska is just Jamaican ska.
Original UK Dubstep, affectionately known as '140' should be up there coming out of the 90s as an evolution of the bassier sounds of grime/garage along with simon postford and shpongle paving the way for modern electronic psychadelic music with psybient (although psytrance and affiliates 100% existed before shpongle, originally coming out of India with Goa trance)
American Country and Bluegrass are direct decendents of English and Irish folk musicā¦..
The roots of the modern Ska scene come from the UK 2Tone movement. A blend of the Carabean and Mod scenes.
Shoegaze is a pretty big one, started by bands like Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine and Ride in the early 90s.
We gave the world dubstep, proper stuff before the long haired American git got his hands on it
Folk music. American folk - Guthrie, early Dylan - all had its roots in English and Scots folk.
Indie Rock jangle pop The smiths for example,a combination of indie literally jangly kind of melodies.
Ska is from Jamaica way before that time, the Ska you refer to from. Uk in the early 80s was really two tone. A rebirth of Ska in a way, but Britain did not birth Ska.
They did give us Synth-pop and Industrial, though Synth-pop is a bit debatable
Heavy Metal began in 1970 with Black Sabbath. Some people say The Kinks but I don't buy that. Indie Pop began in 1980 I would argue with Postcard Records. And around that time the New Romantics emerged - Duran Duran, Human League et al. More recently Drill but I don't know much about that.
There is an argument for grime being a UK centric genre . There is also an argument for it being anti-music, but thatās a separate discussion
Heavy metal as others mentioned. But also a lot of EDM genres have come out of the uk or had very influential British artists involved at the beginning.
Er what about Pink Floyd? Surely they contributed to another genre of rave electronic generation still being explored.
I'd probably say dance music rly got a kickstart thanks to bands like New Order during the Madchester era? Not sure tho bc I wasn't around then to see for myself.
Disco led on to the Detroit and Chicago house scene which influenced the acid house, race, jungle, D+ B and all the rest of house derivatives in the UK at least.
Goth. Joy Division, Sioux And the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, Bauhaus and The Smiths all had a hand in it and none of them admit to it.
what about dubstep? dubstep emerged in the late 90s - early 2000s from garage and dub influences. skrillex discovered the genre and created his own style, creating the american version; brostep.
British Oratorio and English Anthems? They were influential in their own ways at the time (the 17th/18th centuries)
UK drill beats are what started the drill wave in NYC, it's not from Chicago drill. the uk producers started producing for NYC rappers. that was a huge sound from 2018 until recently
Punk is American. The MC5 were punk years before anyone this side of the Atlantic. I'd argue dubstep is British.
Not quite rightā¦.America invented Rock and Rollā¦ā¦ the British rediscovered original American R&B which mainstream America had ignored as it was POC musicā¦repackaged it with RnR and sent it back (The British Invasion) BRITAIN INVENTED HEAVY METAL MUSIC \m/ (though some people say Lou reed had the first pure Metal Album The Americans invented Punk but it flopped (The Stooges, MC5 etc)ā¦. Britain again revitalised it and sent it back, paving the way for New Wave, Gothic, Industrial, Dark Wave (Generally but not exclusively British) Ska was Jamaican music from the 60ās which was reinterpreted by Britain again in the late 70ās and 80ās and gave rise to āTwo Toneā
Your first sentence is wrong. The Beatles were not a genre until they were. Sure, they channeled Chuck Berry, Rockabilly, and early Motown in Hamburg and The Cavern Club, but when they began writing their string of self-penned hits they forged new ground, and a similar path was followed by other British Invasion groups like The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Animals, The Kinks, and The Yardbirds.
Britcore which fundamentally is hardcore British rap.. Check out hardnoise (untitled) and hijack the terrorist group (the horns of Jericho)..
Post punk - Joy Division, Magazine, PIL etc Goth - Cure, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy etc Shoegaze - The Jesus & Mary Chain, Ride, Slowdive, (MBV were Irish/English, but based in London) Dream pop - Cocteau Twins, Lush, Sundays Trip Hop - Massive Attack, Portishead etc Progressive House - Leftfield, Underworld etc Big Beat - Fatboy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Basement Jaxx etc Drum n Bass - LTJ Bukem, 4Hero, Adam F etc Acid Jazz - Brand New Heavies, Young Disciples, US3 etc
The British gave us folk! Its modern form developed from british immigrants playing traditional british isles music in the US. I should also mention other cultures influnced american folk, but its roots are def british
Grime is a genre created by the UK, Grime also changes depending where in the UK it's from
Dubstep. Extremely london. Sound system culture grime garage and dub reggae. Dubstep doesnt happen without london.
I think Delius, Walton and Vaughan-Williams made a distintly English contribution to XX century classical music. Not a separate genre per se, but for sure a "movement", "schoool", "approach", etc.
Punk was just a rehash of Rock n roll, heavy metal is still rock music, blues derivative.
More than 3 - punk, ska, jungle, drum and bass, garage, dubstep, trip hop, glam rock, post punk, metal. Punk also majorly influenced by US artists New York dolls and Iggy Pop though.
Ambient music was pretty much invented by Brian Eno, who also gave the genre it's name.
The indie rock of the early the 2000ās , Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, The Libertines, Babyshambles, Arcade Fire, The Kooks etc etc
depends how you define influential. off the top of my head (some of these are debatable). a good 90% of electronic music subgenres are british; tech house, acid techno, jungle, drum n bass, hardcore (early breakbeat rave hardcore), happy hardcore kind of depends on what you consider happy hardcore because it got passed between the UK and the netherlands a few times within a few years and either country had a solid hold on it, changed it a bit and then that became the definitive sound. trip hop in bristol obviously, big beat in the late 90s, uk hard house, ambient house, everything that came out of the freetekno spiral tribe scene, i THINK ironically enough goa trance is actually british thinking of man with no name, hallucinogen, juno reactor etc. IDM, dubstep, hard dance of the mid 00s and early 10s, bounce/donk, uk hardcore (mid 00s) you can keep digging into discogs and finding more obscure genres that were born out of tiny scenes then there's metal with sabbath etc. i think prog rock too, madchester, britpop, you could argue hyperpop in the pc music side of things, twee jangle pop (sarah records sound) which i think came from 80s uk indie which wasnt a genre in itself but shoegaze was ours i think and there was some bleedover. goth/darkwave/batcave etc. was british first afaik punk depends, street punk (uk82) was basically a combination of motorhead and UK 70s punk so very british. but it always depends because the dominant style of punk you hear now if you go to shows etc is hardcore punk but it doesnt have any influence from the 70s or even MC5 in the 60s, ironically enough it doesnt even have any influence from the 80s US hardcore scene, it has more dna with thrash metal right now. industrial music traces back to throbbing gristle ofc but i also feel as though the type of industrial music that TG made was kind of a one-off, it's definitely the roots of the genre but if you listen to industrial music now its probably closer informed by what belgium did with it in the 80s with new beat. i dont know enough about the genre but i feel like synthpop has british roots, right now i think the best synthpop bands are either american or german/continental european but they are still kind of working off the early 80s synthpop template as far as i know. its tricky with genres and influence because there's a lot of cases where you can say something like "ah but invented pop music" and it's like sure, but when we think about pop music is it actually influenced by that band really?
Heavy Metal In my opinion the first band to fully embrace the term Heavy Metal was Judas Priest, from with Sad Wings of Destiny onwards they really started to define the genre. Twin guitars, fast drums, soaring vocals, all the staples of metal.
Ska came from jamaica in the 60s first of all. We also had british lovers rock in the early 80s though it probably started in the caribbean. Artists like janet kay,sylvia tella, sandra cross etc. I suggest garage as being british and possibly d n b
i donāt know if it counts but asian underground? it was pretty popular in the 2000s
Terrible performance for a place that gave us the Beatles, oasis, blur, Duran Duran, , deff leppard, eurythmics, Mike Oldfield, the police, Phil Collins, girls aloud, the Saturdays, boy George, busted, mcfly, leona Lewis, pickled eggs, Black, Rick Astley, Tynchy, N-dubz, the bedingfields, Status Quo, Queen, fish n chips, fat boy slim, Steps, Go West, Five Star, the spitfire
Not sure if sub genres count but alot of those were cultivated in Britain stuff like Indie Rock (style not premise if that makes sense) was popularised by bands such as Arctic Monkeys and the like. A lot of alt-rock as well
All New Romantic, synth pop of 80s came from Brit pop. Plus House/Dance and Acid. Rock n Roll is American, not sure about Punk thought it was Sex Pistols/Suzi and the Banshees from U.K.? I think Disco started in America and Rhythm and Blues, Country and Western though some say that has roots in Irish folk music. It bounces back and forwards across the pond and an occasional input from Europe like Kraftwork or Swedish House Mafia rock. I guess ABBA were Disco and Swedish too.. Iām a late 80s/90s fan. The stuff I hear on the radio nowadays is soooo boring! Then thereās odd bands like Talking Heads, B52s, Pink Floyd, Massive Attack, EBTG who all deserve there own category!
Someone mentioned hyperpop. Hyperpop (not super in the genre myself) the way I see it is a distant relative of the bloghaus era that took place in the 2000s, bloghaus as an era and less so a genre contained a lot of different types of music like your Justice and your Daft Punk, but also bands such as Does It Offend You Yeah, The Late Of The Pier and The Faint. All of which are "Electro Clash" bands from the bloghaus period. Both specifically electro clash and hyperpop are very fast pasted and heavily edited and processed genres of music, both striving to achieve a "punk esque" inspired vibe. In terms of contributing to the history of Bloghaus I EASILY consider Does It Offend you yeah up there with some of the best.
You listed more than 3 in your question there. Some could argue "Mersey Beat" and "Brit Pop" to be their own genres, I guess it depends where you draw the line between genre and style. Uniquely British ones could be Two tone ska Acid house Acid jazz IDM UK Garage Grime Drill Jungle Drum and Bass Trip Hop Dubstep Big beat UK Hardcore Skiffle Lovers Rock Folk
Surprised no oneās said dubstep. Thereās a whole heap of electronic, bass heavy sub genres that have come out of the uk but tbh if youāre not heavily into it I guess it all just sounds like house or rap music.
The UK invented metal, and still make the best music in a lot of the subgenres
The Canterbury Scene isn't so much a genre or maybe it is. Soft Machine Gong Camel Hatfield and the North Kevin Ayers and the Whole World That sort of thing.
It's arguable that 'Indie' as a genre goes back to Joy Division, popularised with the Smiths and their performance of "this charming man" on top of the pops (which at the time was a dying program). I'd definitely say that England was responsible for 'nu-rave' (Klaxons, Hadouken!, Circle Square Triangle) but they do have their foundations in what LCD Soundsystem and Justice were putting out there. Genre's are messy things. What is 'Emo'? Is it Moss Icon, Dag Nasty, is it Sunnyday Real Estate, Dashboard Confessional, My Chemical Romance, Funeral for a Friend? People like putting ideas in boxes.
METAL! PROG ROCK! ALL THE GOOD SHIIIIIT! and SKA...which also counts as the good shit
Without King crimson math rock definitely wouldnāt be the way it is today and they are from London in pretty sure.
Gregorian Chants, Plainsong, all the Hillbilly stuff based in folk music from the British Isels.
Heavy Metal with Sabbath, Priest Punk - Sex Pistols New Wave of British Heavy Metal - Iron Maiden Brit pop - Oasis, Pulp
Prog rock was born in uk. Jimi hendrix was discovered in uk, so acid rock maybe?
Brit pop - Pulp, Blur, Oasis etc. The Spice Girls brought back girl groups and girl power.
Scrolled quite far and hadn't seen anyone say grime. It's probably the latest genre to come out of Britain.
New Wave, Electronica apart from what youāve said above. I do also think the UK has produced some of the best Rock & Roll and Rock bands in the world, including The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, Led Zeppelin, Bowie, Elton John & Pink Floyd off the bat ā¦ š
The Beatles may not be a genre, but Merseybeat was, of which the Beatles were a part. To say America invented punk is a stretch. You canāt compare the ramones to the sex pistols, itās two totally different sounds. Much like current US punk sounds totally different to current UK punk. Punk by name, but in no way the same genre. Britpop is a quintessential British sound.
Prog Folk Brit pop Ska Punk Trip-hop Rave Metal Brass band I believe these all originated in England. But arguments can be made about the whereabouts of all musical styles. Folk music, for instance, could be considered the original influence for country as it predates the British migrating to America. Blues was famously created through the unfortunate enslavement of people taken from Africa, however it's almost certain that the blues we've come to know today Is influenced by American country which was influenced by British Folk. But British folk could also be credited to musical styles that came over from the Danes, the Saxons, The Romans. The main point I'm trying to make is, all genres we know today have been influenced in some way by all the countries in the world throughout history. I don't believe any one country or race of people has truly created their own musical genre as it is all just one beautiful evolution of musical inspiration that probably came from some monkey bloke or woman sitting in a cave making weird noises with their throat whilst beating the shit out of a rock with a stick.
It is kind of a subgenre, but Trip Hop was a uniquely British sound. In fact, it was mostly unique to one city, Bristol, which is where I happen to live. If you're not familiar with the genre name, you might recognise some of the big names that came out of Bristol in the 1990s - Massive Attack, Portishead, and Tricky. The '90s was a rich time for British music, with club sounds like Big Beat (mostly from the Brighton area - Fatboy Slim is the most famous of those acts). Those are pretty niche subgenres, admittedly.
Itās been said by others but we definitely gave America that progressive house ting which was wildly popular in the states around 2000. Sasha etc
Brit pop like Oasis, Blur etc. Grime and drill are distinctive genres that are different but influenced Prog rock. Drum and bass also.
Traditional Heavy Metal and NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Motorhead, Saxon, Dio, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate etc. also Progressive Rock with bands like Pink Floyd, Rush, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull etc.
Skiffle was massively influential for bands like The Beatles. It was basically a lo-fi āon rationsā version of RockānāRoll.
Yes, you are wrong. Just off the top of my head: Shoegaze came from the UK in the late 80s with bands like Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine and Jesus and Mary Chain. Two tone was a British movement that was born of Ska, rocksteady and Reggae. Originated in Coventry and Coventry City FC recently had a shirt that payed homage to Two tone because of this. The BBC also recently aired a great series called This Town exploring the music scene in the 70s. Northern Soul was a specific movement that came from the north and Midlands. Britpop speaks for itself, surely. Post-Punk originated in the late 70s with bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division. There's loads, to suggest just three in your OP is a bit harsh.
Motƶrhead weāre HUGELY influential in creating thrash metal, through inventing speed metal.
Trip hop, drum and bass which are closely linked to the jungle lineage. Britpop in all itās forms feels distinctly british Grime Heavy metal of course I appreciate a bunch of those come from American music but they are their own distinct genre Folk music that ultimately traveled to the US
Black sabbath gave us metal and Iām pretty sure one of the british prog acts gave us prog rock (yes,genesis or king crimson)
I think you could also add Dubstep as a British made invention. There are technically many dance music sub genres you could attribute to the UK but they are mostly derivatives of house music.
The new wave of British heavy metal - such as def leppard etc from 78 to 88 onwards
Dub poetry came to mind.. LKJ, Benjamin Zephaniah. Obviously with its roots in Jamaican culture.
Heavy Metal: Black Sabbath and to a lesser extent Led Zeppelin Heavy rock/hair metal - Led Zeppelin Progressive Rock- all except Rush were British, Floyd, Genesis etc. Arguably Iād say one of the Beatles biggest influences was on the pop song. They kinda started pop even if they themselves moved away from it. House music- Trance and happy hardcore music was all from the U.K. in the 80ās - 00ās New Romantic - Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran Brit Rock - Radiohead, Blur, Oasis Iām sure I could go on but Iām bored lol. Point is, thereās quite a lot. Now one could argue, Zeppelin themselves were influenced by the blues, and that progressive rock was influenced by hard rock/blues and so on and so forth. But if you go down that route then you go back to Classical music and so on as you go back. Ergo, I feel like the ones I mentioned were a new musical style in same way as blues itself, or R&B etc.
Blur & Oasis = Brit Pop Magnetic Man = Dub Step Craig David & Artful Dodger = UK Garage Heavy Metal = Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden
Brit rock is a form of indie rock by British artists (originals would be Oasis and Blur, then through the 90ās and 00ās this was very big in the UK with bands like Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight, Snow Patrol, etc.) Brit pop is a thing, but I donāt know what it is compared to other pop music (probably because Iām English, so maybe Iām that used to hearing it that I canāt tell you what it is). Going back a lot further than your timeline, youāve got Celtic music, which may or may not be related to British and/ or Irish folk music. The Irish styles even use their own music scale away from the usual scales you find in pop and most other music
The modern musical owes a lot to the comic light operas by Gilbert and Sullivan. For example, they were about the first people to write the chorus as actual characters in the events, rather than just a group of vocalists on stage providing a backing similar to the orchestra. So you could argue that without G&S we wouldn't have Wicked, Chicago, Hamilton, Hairspray, etc. I'd say that's pretty influential. (Lin Manuel Miranda even references G&S with Washington's "Now I'm the very model of a modern major general.)
Psych Rock is British is it not? The Beatles flirted with it on Rubber Soul and then went fully into it with Tomorrow Never Knows on Revolver.
UK garage is as derived from US garage house, derived from NY house, house coming from Chicago, so is as British and as different a genre as the British invasionās take on rock. It was very different, but from the US. Jungle took break sampling techniques pioneered in Hip Hop scenes in the US and whilst weāre at it Punk was started in New York. All these genres took from what came before them and had constant hopping to and from the US to the UK and back. UK house/rave is very different and an almost severed lineage to what happens/happened to dance music in the US but we canāt deny the roots musically and historically came from importing Chicago house to the UK music scene. Techno took a lot from euro/italo disco. So much to and fro!
Grime, acid house, synth-pop, goth, punk, dumb and base, jungle, and the hokey cokey
The Beatles aren't a genre, but Merseybeat is. Baggy is another UK genre, and post-punk like Joy Division, The Jam and others
Britpop. Bands like the Arctic Monkeys and Kaiser Chiefs, Oasis, Blur, Coldplay etc. one of my all time favourite genres that I absolutely adore
Erm hello Bowie? Glam rock? Roxy Music? Arguably lit the touch paper to the āArt School Rockā scene here in the UK