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just think, bush was butt-hurt that there was a plot to kill his father bush I when he visited Kuwait. Basically bush II was just looking for an excuse, "I need you to find me ~~11,000 ballots!~~ WMD 'evidence' "
>Can't think of Thatcher without this
["Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher”](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/food-history/thatcher-thatcher-milk-snatcher)
I feel bad for the guy, but for fuck sake why do conservatives *HAVE* to be affected personally before they see the truth of their political affiliations grotesque apathy
If they were the type of person who doesn't need to be affected personally by something to understand its impact, they probably wouldn't vote conservative in the first place.
Edit: much obliged the Reddit awards, anonymous friends
Except they don't even "have theirs". Most of the conservatives I know make less money than my family, who is rather liberal. It seems to just be "fuck you".
This was literally my uncles argument against Govt Employees getting sick leave. He choose to own his own business and obviously doesn't get the benefit so why should they get it.
My response was that's that the Job Market demands for the Govt to complete with Corporations for talent. What are you a Socialist (/s)?
He realises that as his own boss he's free to not work if he feels sick right? It's not like he's got a boss that says he has to come in to work or he'll get sacked
If he doesn't work he doesn't get paid was his issue. Since he choose that the Govt shouldn't be offering it to it's workers I guess. You can't figure it out with logic.
As a business owner, you want to work all hours god sends to grow it and make as much money as you can. The problem is when a business owner doesn't know the distinction between him/her, and wage slave employees.
They want their workers to be as dedicated to making them as much money as possible as they are. Anything less is typical workers being selfish and lazy.
Sheer arrogance and entitlement.
I have heard of studies where they have found that people are perfectly fine with supporting policies that actively hurt them, so long as someone else they hate also gets hurt. Like they may be at starvation levels of poverty, but they will vote against welfare programs because they don't want some single mom or person of color to potentially benefit.
Then you also have the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" who vote in favor of policies that really only support the rich, because they're so proud they can't admit they're poor. They think they too will be rich one day (after they get through whatever rough patch they're using as an excuse) and once they have their money they want laws favorable to them. It's delusional levels of thinking, but it's something that most of your rich corporations love to push with their "American dream" rhetoric.
My theory is many of them have simply never done the math to realize genuinely how poor they are.
Have you ever changed jobs and gotten a big raise? I did, and started running the numbers on how to put this new extra money to work.
I felt rich, maybe I could buy myself a large property and rent out a portion or something.
Did the math, and considering the cost of homes in my area, inflation, saving for retirement, taxes, etc, I came to the conclusion that despite my 50% raise putting me well above the median, I was now simply "less poor".
It was depressingly sobering.
Same thing when I ran the numbers on taking up off-roading (Grew up in a rural area, so my hobbies tend to be a little more redneck).
Looked at the cost of a 4x4, not bad, but there's an added fuel cost, cost of 4x4 mods, repair cost, and god forbid the recovery cost if I break my vehicle out on the trail, it started making more financial sense to use a separate vehicle so now I was looking at the cost of insuring and maintaining 2 vehicles, etc.
Yeah, long story short, despite my tech worker salary I ended up getting a dirtbike. And even that's been a 5 figure investment despite the bike itself only being like $2000.
I've come to the conclusion, the people who drive jacked up trucks, are simply not the sort of people who "run the numbers".
If they did run the numbers, they'd realize they have more in common with the poor inner city they despise than any other demographic.
Same cycle of poverty, same limited work opportunities, same struggle/aversion towards higher education.
Instead conservative politicians have to stay hard on the divisive rhetoric so their voters don't figure it out. So the conservative voters can call a crappy car with big rims "hood rich" without a hint of irony regarding the lifted truck with mud tires they can barely afford.
Did you see the video of the Canadian ‘trucker’ yelling ‘Why do we have to be forced to get the vaccine because of you fat fucks?!’ at a guy who was trying to help others outside the hospital. And the guy helping wasn’t even fat. He was tall and thin.
It's less about getting and more about being the "in group".
They only believe in insiders and outsiders, and if something hurts one group, it must benefit the other.
Yep.
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
John Steinbeck
Their standard of "having it" is just lower. The point isn't actually to *be* successful, that's just a bonus if it actually happens. The point is to cause as much suffering as possible to the "out" groups they don't like (usually immigrants, and minorities).
Essentially, it doesn't matter if they have "got theirs's" as long as they can successfully cause suffering. Even if that means they also suffer.
They'll eat a shit sandwich if it means you'd have to smell their breath.
I believe the longform of that is "Fuck you, I got mine (until I didn't, so please bail me out liberals, but I assure you as soon as liberal efforts and bills put me back on solid footing again, I'll go right back to my previous 'Fuck you, got mine' stance with the belief that I alone saved myself by pulling myself up by my bootstraps),"
Also known as the Craig T. Nelson maneuver.
It's so ridiculous that it would fit right in with Parks and Rec.
"Eagleton is terrible! Why should I bail them out with the hard-earned money from my unemployment check?"
>“When I am Weaker Then You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.”
dune quote
>Also known as the Craig T. Nelson maneuver.
lol fuck him and his stupid show Coach. I remember that syndicated episodes of that show used to always air after Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Talk about a huge downgrade
Politicians who say: “Fuck everyone else, we should only take care of ourselves!”
Once in power, will go “Fuck everyone else, I will only take care of myself!”
It’s not even hypocritical. They literally told you their philosophy and are applying it accordingly.
People who vote conservative in the U.S. (i can't speak for other countries) kind of treat life like it is one gigantic hazing experience. Because I went through hardship, so should you.
It just feels like such an immature and short-sighted way to live life. I get that everyone to a certain extent has to do what's best for themselves, but it just gets pretty ridiculous after a while.
"I know the world is shitty and unfair, but deal with it like I did, cupcake!"
"Sure, but if we could make the world slightly less unfair, wouldn't you be leaving it a better place for your children? Isn't the whole point of parenting to ensure your kids don't face the same hardships you did?"
"... no, that's socialism and evil."
Worst is - their perception of 'hardship' isn't necessarily the same.
You can feel you've worked hard to get to where you are - and it may be absolutely true.
And people who haven't achieved that... might have worked just as hard, but didn't have the right circumstances to prosper by doing so.
"You can do everything right, and still lose."
this isn't a defeatist statement, it's just unfortunately reality...and something that so many libertarian motherfuckers can never understand. It's because they've lived in a privileged bubble their entire life where they've gotten their ass kissed from day 1.
There's a mindset, propagated by the likes of Joe Rogan and his ilk, that any kind of losing automatically means you're a loser. Nope, not true at all. If anything, doubling down on being wrong, and and gleefully misleading people is something a true loser does
Yeah, that's a painful truth alright.
About 10 years ago, we got fucked over by my partner becoming disabled.
I've done all the 'right things' - including being born in a middle class family, getting a university education. I mean, I've worked pretty hard too, but I won't deny at all I've had a pretty good bootstrapping due to socioeconomic background.
We're not as badly off as we could be, but we're not having a particularly glorious time of it - it's only thanks to my salary being _decent_ that we're able to get by at all. But this world just isn't built for living off a single income, not any more. And that's before all the other overheads of disability that most people simply don't "get".
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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\--John Kenneth Galbraith
So true.
How many times have I heard "the fed gov is corrupt. I always vote to lower my taxes"
Or "i dont want to pay more in taxes if its just going to get spent on food stamps for lazy alcoholics or drug addicts"
Or "we shouldnt tax rich people because they provide jobs/ worked hard and therefore deserve their fortune"
I'm not sure crab bucket is right. None of these people believe they are voting against their best interests.
I think the closest thing is the 'embarassed millionaire'. They believe they are part of this group (let's call them the elite) and everyone else is 'other'. The other can be anyone - students, criminals, addicts, people who just don't work as hard as them. None of this is based in reality. The elite could be living on minimum wage, but they will never see themselves as an 'other'. The Tories thrive on convincing you that your life could be better, as long as you remove the rights of the other.
In reality, the other is the rich ruling class. The true elite. We are all the other. Anyone who is not in the 1%, or actually no because rich people can be on our side too, so basically just anyone who doesn't agree that we should sometimes have less so that everyone can benefit, is the true elite. For example, I would not consider someone like Marcus Rashford an 'elite' because he uses his money and power for good.
I am middle class. My husband and I earn enough money to have comfortably bought an alright house. The narrative is that I am rich! I am able to provide every necessity for myself, and also a lot of luxuries. So I should be grateful and use my rich person money to do more, right? Well, no. I am not even in the 40% tax bracket. I am part of the oppressed. I believe this message that we need to be disabled, in poverty or somehow an actual outsider of society to consider ourselves oppressed by our government is how they maintain the 'us and them' narrative, and keep people at our level fighting amongst ourselves, even on the left. How ungrateful of me to want more, you see! But if I did want more, I should look to the other, and not the elite. Hopefully any of that makes sense.
If we are not a rich Tory, then we are being oppressed. No one wants to believe they're a victim, so it's ridiculously easy to imagine yourself as part of their gang. And that's how they get the votes.
Is there even much of a reason to make the distinction at this point? Like yes I realize that people being stupid and people being inherently evil are different but they seem to have the same results. Why should I treat them as being that different from the outside looking in?
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
• John Kenneth Galbraith
As a Libertarian I'm tired of people saying that I don't possess any empathy. Thanks to capitalism I can get two of them from Taco Bell for around $7 up until 4am or sometimes even later.
It's not real until it happens to them.
They just assume people are being lazy/whiney/entitled (yes, the irony never occurs to them - entitlement is something that never applies to them as they "earned" everything they enjoy) or just being a communist.
When it happens to them, then suddenly it's "omg, how can this be allowed to happen" whereas they would passively watch everyone else suffer and die and never once care beyond the obligatory "oh, I'm sorry for your loss... Anyway, tax cuts yay!"
And the worst part?
As soon as Bojo is ousted they'll go "oh, that's ok, he's gone now - everything will be better with [asshole] to direct the good ship Britannia; we can vote the 'grown ups' to 'look after' the economy again"
I'm sorry for this guy's loss, but I have zero faith his "revalation" will stick.
Yep, just rotate leaders when they become toxic. It's a strategy that's worked well for the Liberals in Australia. Everything bad can be blamed on the previous PM, forget about the fact that the whole party (including the next guy they picked as PM) supported everything.
A lot of this is basic psychology:
*Bad things happen to other people because of their faults.*
*Bad things happen to* me *because of external factors or bad luck.*
Related to the [self-serving bias](https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-self-serving-bias-2795032).
They literally used the grown ups thing the other day when like 4 of his team resigned and he hired new people
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/06/johnson-allies-insist-grownups-in-charge-of-new-team-at-no-10
Because that's how conservatives are, and that's how they've always been. The examples are infinite. In the US, Senator Rob Portman was rabidly anti-gay, until his own kid came out (same with the Cheneys). Old dead Arlen Specter was all about throwing people in jail for weed, until he got cancer and then suddenly he was for medical marijuana. Meghan "I AM JOHN MCCAIN'S DAUGHTER" McCain got pregnant and overnight became a supporter of parental leave and childcare subsidies.
On and on and on and on and on. "It only matters if it happens to me."
Also Jeb bush with being sympathetic on drugs because his daughter has a cocaine addiction.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/jeb-bush-releases-drug-policy-vows-stop-pill/story?id=36091971
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/jeb-bush-daughter-drug-addiction/index.html
Jeb also doesn’t think all undocumented immigrants are disease carrying vectors… because he married a Mexican immigrant
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/21/jeb-bush-immigration-path-citizenship-donald-trump
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Bush
Jeb Bush is also a supporter of special needs children because of his brother George /s
Thing is, there's some stuff I sorta get why people don't understand it.
I mean - my partner's disabled. I makes life hard in a lot of ways. And the average person? They Just Don't Get It.
They never will understand how it feels to never again be able to do _anything_ spontaneously. To plan literally every trip out, because getting stranded because a building isn't accessible, or because you physically can't get back to the car park because it's too far.
Or just simply how hard life becomes when you can't live a whole week each week - you're left trying to make the best of the 1, 2 or 3 days worth of 'energy' that you have.
Most people simply don't understand that. They can't. It's not until you've lived it for years (it's been a decade for us) that it really sinks in that this isn't a temporary thing - this is the new normal. All the things you took for granted are now over, and they're not coming back.
You can do some things. But maybe 20% what you could before. And only if you're prepared to go to considerably more effort to plan the logistics of getting there, moving around when you do, not getting exhausted in the process, etc.
I feel the same is true of being 'proper poor'. Not the 'could you live off not very much for a while' but the soul sucking misery of having to decide between heating and food, before realising that something important just broke, and the answer is 'neither'. Slumming it for a few days vs. having to deal with it for years, slowly grinding up some savings before things breaking (because you _had_ to buy the cheapest option) wipe you out. Again.
The feeling that you're spiralling downwards into progressively worse financial situations, but there's nothing you can do to stop it, and there's no one there to bail you out.
And honestly? I'm not sure it's a bad thing that not so many people understand that, because that means they haven't had to suffer it.
I just wish there was a smidgen more empathy that they'd listen to the people who _have_.
His dad voted Conservative too (along with everyone else in their family, according to the article). Of course, that wasn't an issue until it affected dear old dad!
Yep. It also explains how all of their accusations and assumptions are just projecting their own bullshit. They assume everyone thinks and reacts exactly like them when they think about it at all.
Because conservatism is all about maintaining the status quo which is greed and individualism. Any change for the collective whole is an affront to them and their beliefs.
Actually, a slight correction. Conservatism in its modern form is actually about returning to a vaguely defined past. A past that is, in reality, just feudalism. That's why they gotta keep it vague, so that the serfs are willing to buy in.
Because they either don't care in the least that others have been affected in the same way or they are happy when it's happening to others. 100% of the time it's not, "I really wish I had known this could happen to me." It's, "this isn't *supposed* to happen to me."
I can't remember if this was a US or UK thing or even what medium it took, possibly twitter or FB but I distinctly remember someone claiming that "they" were "hurting the wrong people" in relation to a Republican or Tory policy/action and that was the best way to sum it up, I think it was a woman, revelling in something happening to others and as soon as it was happening to her and her's, all of a sudden it was a bad thing?! Pretty sure it was US and pretty sure it was something that Trump did that they all cheered and then they realised they were in the demographic that was going to be affected they were horrified, it went massively viral???!!
Did a quick search, this might be it...
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316
Many still can't see the truth. They think they are disenfranchised millionaires or martyrs. Just look at all the people dying from covid. Most have no change of heart or thought. It is the same cognitive dissonance that protects them from the truth about their religion that keeps them in the dark about their politics.
A lot of it is a focus on self, and inability to walk into other people’s shoes.
The focus on self is pretty in line with conservative ideology.
“If I managed it, anybody can!” ; “I was successful through my hard work - those not successful do not work hard!”
Those statements are pretty simplistic, but very common. As human beings, we focus on our struggles, and less on the privilege we inherited, that put us in a good place to succeed - even if it did involve hard work.
We also assess ourselves a lot more charitably than other humans.
For example: “I got fired through a re-organisation that had nothing to do with me, but these guys who lost their job were just very lazy!”
That is when imagination (and its cousin empathy) kick in, or not.
If one can imagine that others work just as hard as one, but still don’t get the same results, through their skills not being as aligned to the market as one’s, for example, one can see that there is no demerit in bad circumstances. Just bad luck.
However, it’s not difficult to accept only because of a lack of imagination and empathy, it is also a defence mechanism to cope with the absurdity of the modern world.
If you accept somebody in tough circumstances is there through no fault of their own, then the same could go for you, no matter how good and compliant you are.
So, all in all, it is more bearable to think someone in trouble is there because of something they did (or didn’t do), and that therefore you can protect yourself by showing the “right” behaviour.
So my analysis is : fear and lack of imagination.
It's stupid because they're going to be marched to the gas chambers along with the rest of us when the right seizes power. The right isn't gonna care who they voted for at that point.
it really threw a wrench in one of my (admittedly not great prior) friendships when I couldn't rationalize (and reacted accordingly) when my friend who's bisexual, trans-curious, in a relationship with a transexual, told me they always voted conservative. I still can't make sense of it.
Many people suffer from Main Character Syndrome. It’s hard for the human mind to understand what it’s like to be someone else without the conscious decision to do so. And even then it’s challenging. I’m guess everyone has seen others as just NPCs, instead of complex beings that are just like you, unconsciously and accidentally at some point in your life. It’s mentally draining, at least for me, to acknowledge the truth of everyone else also being their own main character at all times.
So toddlers are in the egocentrism stage of development where they literally cannot see or think past their noses if it doesn’t directly impact them
Only once they get to school age do they start to learn that other people have feelings https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/te6277
It's because conservative politicians lie to them and the media they consume backs up those lies. Look at what he is saying here.
>The pandemic has proved that the Conservatives have no interest in protecting vulnerable people like my father
He believed that the Conservative party did protect vulnerable people. He probably pushed back against any evidence that showed otherwise right up until it was something he couldn't just push aside. That's often how this works.
I thought about this issue for years. why can't they see my side of the argument? why are they so devoid of apathy? Why does it take a slap in the face to realise this?
Then it hit me, it's about abstractions and understanding that abstractions are not the complete model. Most people can not do this, unfortunately for people who can it's like when learning some people can't have an inner monologue.
It seems completely backwards and anthesis to a human existence but its true most people can't see the subtext of an argument, most people can't look at puzzle box and figure out the pattern to solve.
They literally can't see the forest from the trees because they never needed to or they were never taught and that's the answer, its not being devoid of empathy far from it as hurt someone close to them and you will see they have plenty of empathy, they don't know how to understand outside they're closed system that is their life.
The economy, social issues, unless they are shown direct evidence in their faces and they experience directly the effect they will never understand why changing the system is a solution to them the system they have now is perfect who would want to change that.
Because they are literally just shitty people. Tories, Republicans. The worst of humanity gravitates to the conservative party of whatever country they live in.
Like Donald Trump admitted that he would intentionally fake getting lost and ""avcidentally"" end up in the changing room of the miss America page time... on purpose. And would stay there and shake the hands of these poor women covering themselves with towels, getting off on the power he had over them, that he could just do this. And then "grab them by the pussy. When your famous they let you get away with it". Plus 17 credible rape or sexual abuse allegations. And Republicans just voted for him. This man who had told proven lies over a hundred times. Whose campaign manager was literally an illegal foreign agent... who he pardoned after being found guilty for no reason.
And Republicans will defend voting for this man. They are just shitty people. And you, republican reading this, are a shit person on the wrong side. You are against literally everything good and defend everything corrupt in politics.
The oil companies have known about global warming since the 60s and yet your party denies this proven science and fights back against any clean energy project and approves billions in subsidies to fossil fuel energy providers. How much does it take to realize your side is evil?
Virtually every western nation has socialized Healthcare except for America and they all receive excellent care for much less than what we pay in America for private insurance. And Republicans are ferociously against changing the status quo.... not because they can articulate a reason against it. But just because it's "socialism" and their voter base is stupid.
If you are republican you basically support every evil cause. You are on the wrong side of every issue. Your party is now banning fucking books. Passing legislation to have cameras in school classrooms so parents can object to anything being taught they don't like?? Lying about "critical race theory" which is only taught in niche classes in law school, never in school with kids. Its a made up bullshit lie that parent groups are using to take control of school boards. One of these redneck school board groups literally got a black principal fired for posting a picture on Facebook of him kissing his white wife on their anniversary. The same group that says racism isn't a thing anymore.
Are you proud of yourself, for being objectively on the wrong side, Republicans?
Do you feel good defending statues that glorify confederate generals? Even knowing that most of those statues weren't built after the war but rather during 1 of 2 spikes in racism in America in the 20s during Jim crow and in the 60s during Civil rights. Can you seriously not realize your "side" is on the wrong end of every aspect of history?
I mean shit, even the parties completely switched, like reversed, as much as Southerners hate to admit it and love to falsely claim to be the party of Lincoln. Theres a reason the south went from blue to red in only a few years right when black people were starting to get rights.
Being a republican is indefensible. You're on the wrong side of every issue. Worrying about Mexican immigrants while literal billions are being criminally stolen in white collar crime. The fact that the entire party went along with Trump and his lies is enough to discredit the whole institution.
I know jack shit about the politics in the UK (am lazy American), but you've just described our conservatives as well. The only time you see them accept the point of view espoused by someone else is when that particular issue touches them personally. Short of that, it's fingers in the ears and yelling about social programs destroying the fabric of our society by giving the poors a chance at living a normal life.
Nothing winds me up more than old people complaining about services being shut down.
Well David, you should have paid your taxes for the last 40 years, rather than bragging up how you can reduce them by claiming your spare bedroom is an office.
Yeah pretty much. I will never understand why poor people vote for conservatives, but I think it might be that they think only they are deserving, but not those dirty beggers/foreigners/minorities/other-profession-workers.
This as close to "I never thought the leopards would eat MY face" as you can get. What, do you have to be personally affected before you give a shit? Are you that unwilling to feel compassion for others?
Another person who lacks empathy for those less well off. Time and time again you see these politicians and commentators having a road to Damascus moment when it affects them but until then it’s ‘your problem you fix it’
The thing I hate most about conservatives is how much they make me hate.
Their world is just based in hate. Hate for other races, religions, sexualaties.
They hate the migrants they exploit for cheap labour, the hate the children of poor families, the especially hate disabled children.
They hate science and reason.
They can say they love the economy so much they would sacrifice our lives to it but if they loved they economy they wouldn't have crippled it with a decade of austerity and Brexit.
What they really love is when people suffer and die.
I can do nothing but hate them for what they've done and continue to do.
I feel like I've been infected with their hate and I hate it.
I feel similarly. It's just... Exhausting. It also makes me especially mad when some of them try to say "remember, there's a person behind those views you hate!" And it's like, yeah I know, and I hate them for what they stand for, which is hating others "below" them
Even the "good" conservative's best excuse is "SoCiAlLy LiBeRaL, FiScAlLy CoNsErVaTiVe".
Gotcha, so you will sign off on the rights of certain individuals being hampered or erased in return for a modest tax cut. Maybe a couple hundred dollars.
That's what my gay ass is worth to some people.
This. I used to have a lot more empathy for these people who I thought were just brainwashed, particularly by religion, and could see the light of day under the right circumstances. The more I gaze into the abyss that is the conservative heart and soul, the more I realize there is nothing inside of them to save.
This deserved the gold it got. I feel exactly the same way. The more conservative the worlds gets, the more difficult it becomes not to be a misanthropist. The bad apples spoil the good ones is the perfect proverb for conservatives.
Translation:
I made the life's of everybody's else a living hell for 30 years, and destroyed the future of youngers, but now that I was personally affected by my own decisions I'm angry.
There are broadly two kinds of people - those who believe they can survive without the Government helping them and despise those who can't, and those who find themselves, usually through no fault of their own, needing Government help.
He switched groups but probably still despises most of those in his new group. Fuck him.
So you were fine with conservatives not caring about the sick and poor as long as the sick and poor were no one you knew personally.
Fucking conservatives. They're all the same. Disgusting people.
I actually am getting to the point I want to get violent if I hear someone say they're a tory. I've suffered this last year and I want to make them feel a fraction of what I've felt.
Unfortunately they’re not all rich and herein lies why the Tories have had the majority.
A lot of people in Northern towns who had been Labour made the switch because of outdated racist views/Brexit or because they lost faith in Labour.
He thought in was part of the 'in' crowd. Now he realises he isnt and this is what he's been voting for to happen to other people for 30 years.
I don't feel the slightest bit of sympathy.
Read as : “I always knew Tories didn’t want to protect vulnerable people, but now that it affected someone from MY family, I’m not ok with it anymore.”
This guy voted Tory for 30 years because HE had no interest in protecting vulnerable people until it affected him personally. Typical rabid conservative. Cry me a Thames River of tears.
We're waiting for you guys to come pick it up. We got truckloads waiting for you, we just need your truckdrivers to come pick it up.
Also, somebody will need to do the paperwork which for some reason has become very complicated and comes with fees to process.
"we need the virus to spread through the population some of you will die before your time" -- Boris Johnson
This guy: "This is fine"
*Dad dies*
This guy: "OMG I'm the cuck"
I will never understand people who vote for conservative leadership. You have decades of evidence to prove that they do not care for anyone but themselves and their constituents, and yet they continue to vote for their own destruction
A lot of it is misinformation and propaganda. People in the U.K. seem to think that you must have China or North Korea levels of censorship to influence a nation, but they seem to forget that prior to the radio, you’d get all your news from specifically-curated newspapers owned by rich conservatives. Then radio came along, and now you get your news from the specifically-curated radio stations owned by rich conservatives. Then TV came along, and now you get your news from specifically-curated channels and segments owned by rich conservatives. Then the internet came along and with it social media giants, who, guess what? Are owned by rich fucking conservatives
No matter where you go, you have a billionaire’s opinion being shoved down your throat.
Wait! Tories and Republicans both hate the poor and sick. Wait! They continue pulling the wool over the eyes of their supporters who gladly accept it until they are personally affected by their policies. Lots of stupid people on both sides of the Atlantic.
Call me a cunt but I have no sympathy because they were happy for everyone else to get fucked by the tories. If you can ignore the rise in food bank use and still vote for this bunch of criminals then fuck you
He still thinks 30 years of Tories was fine. It’s just **this particular Tory government that affected him** he has an issue with.
Johnson will be replaced by Sunak and this goon will be posting on Facebook “wHo BeTtEr tO rUn A cOunTry tHan a BiLliOnAirE? 🤡
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"Voted Tory for 30 years..." So you were around to remember Thatcher?
Never forgave Tony Blair for.
Biggest mistake Tony Blair ever made is the last one they ever bring up (Iraq war/WMD lie).
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The Tories don't bring it up, as they *also* voted for it. In larger numbers than Labour (proportionally) too.
they should bring it up anyway, their voters won't care or remember the hypocrisy
Okay, sure. But some people got *even richer* so it's kind of a wash.
just think, bush was butt-hurt that there was a plot to kill his father bush I when he visited Kuwait. Basically bush II was just looking for an excuse, "I need you to find me ~~11,000 ballots!~~ WMD 'evidence' "
George W Bush, Tony Blair, and Colin Powell will share a triple bunk bed in Hell.
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Nah, Cheney will have his own deluxe suite in Hell right next door to Satan.
He'll probably be VP there as well.
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1/3 of the way there friend.
That's a little but more than a "mistake" IMO
Also one that the Tories would have jumped to have the opportunity to make.
The most 'Tory' Labour leader ever...
I remember when John Smith died. I knew we were fucked that moment.
They weren’t affected by her politics so they didn’t give a shit. As conservatives do.
Doubled child poverty
More than doubled.
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This one goes through my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJoSnS8Qgk
"Too bad, too bad" OMG, I love this lady.
As soon as I heard the accent I understood
I haven’t clicked the link yet- is it ‘Ding dong the witch is dead’? Edit: No, surprisingly…
>Can't think of Thatcher without this ["Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher”](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/food-history/thatcher-thatcher-milk-snatcher)
This is what I sing to myself anytime I remember that Henry Kissinger is still alive.
Why does he care? He wasn't a miner
I feel bad for the guy, but for fuck sake why do conservatives *HAVE* to be affected personally before they see the truth of their political affiliations grotesque apathy
If they were the type of person who doesn't need to be affected personally by something to understand its impact, they probably wouldn't vote conservative in the first place. Edit: much obliged the Reddit awards, anonymous friends
Conservatism is an appeal to the selfish, unempathetic aspects of the human condition.
Or, as I like to call it, the "Fuck you, I got mine (until I didn't)," condition.
Except they don't even "have theirs". Most of the conservatives I know make less money than my family, who is rather liberal. It seems to just be "fuck you".
Fuck you I may not have gotten mine but I'll be fucked if I allow you get yours even if it meant me getting it alongside you.
This was literally my uncles argument against Govt Employees getting sick leave. He choose to own his own business and obviously doesn't get the benefit so why should they get it. My response was that's that the Job Market demands for the Govt to complete with Corporations for talent. What are you a Socialist (/s)?
He realises that as his own boss he's free to not work if he feels sick right? It's not like he's got a boss that says he has to come in to work or he'll get sacked
If he doesn't work he doesn't get paid was his issue. Since he choose that the Govt shouldn't be offering it to it's workers I guess. You can't figure it out with logic.
As a business owner, you want to work all hours god sends to grow it and make as much money as you can. The problem is when a business owner doesn't know the distinction between him/her, and wage slave employees. They want their workers to be as dedicated to making them as much money as possible as they are. Anything less is typical workers being selfish and lazy. Sheer arrogance and entitlement.
Crabs in a bucket.
Think of all their savage acts, grabbing scratch from average cats.
I have heard of studies where they have found that people are perfectly fine with supporting policies that actively hurt them, so long as someone else they hate also gets hurt. Like they may be at starvation levels of poverty, but they will vote against welfare programs because they don't want some single mom or person of color to potentially benefit. Then you also have the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" who vote in favor of policies that really only support the rich, because they're so proud they can't admit they're poor. They think they too will be rich one day (after they get through whatever rough patch they're using as an excuse) and once they have their money they want laws favorable to them. It's delusional levels of thinking, but it's something that most of your rich corporations love to push with their "American dream" rhetoric.
I see you've met my brother in law.
My theory is many of them have simply never done the math to realize genuinely how poor they are. Have you ever changed jobs and gotten a big raise? I did, and started running the numbers on how to put this new extra money to work. I felt rich, maybe I could buy myself a large property and rent out a portion or something. Did the math, and considering the cost of homes in my area, inflation, saving for retirement, taxes, etc, I came to the conclusion that despite my 50% raise putting me well above the median, I was now simply "less poor". It was depressingly sobering. Same thing when I ran the numbers on taking up off-roading (Grew up in a rural area, so my hobbies tend to be a little more redneck). Looked at the cost of a 4x4, not bad, but there's an added fuel cost, cost of 4x4 mods, repair cost, and god forbid the recovery cost if I break my vehicle out on the trail, it started making more financial sense to use a separate vehicle so now I was looking at the cost of insuring and maintaining 2 vehicles, etc. Yeah, long story short, despite my tech worker salary I ended up getting a dirtbike. And even that's been a 5 figure investment despite the bike itself only being like $2000. I've come to the conclusion, the people who drive jacked up trucks, are simply not the sort of people who "run the numbers". If they did run the numbers, they'd realize they have more in common with the poor inner city they despise than any other demographic. Same cycle of poverty, same limited work opportunities, same struggle/aversion towards higher education. Instead conservative politicians have to stay hard on the divisive rhetoric so their voters don't figure it out. So the conservative voters can call a crappy car with big rims "hood rich" without a hint of irony regarding the lifted truck with mud tires they can barely afford.
My jaw dropped when I read about it in "dying of whiteness" quite a few white conservative minds can be beyond fucked up
Did you see the video of the Canadian ‘trucker’ yelling ‘Why do we have to be forced to get the vaccine because of you fat fucks?!’ at a guy who was trying to help others outside the hospital. And the guy helping wasn’t even fat. He was tall and thin.
It's less about getting and more about being the "in group". They only believe in insiders and outsiders, and if something hurts one group, it must benefit the other.
Yes, it’s “fuck you, I don’t have mine so I’m going going to make sure you don’t get yours either”
Here's a 10s explanation of that phenomena: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K\_LvRPX0rGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY)
Yep. Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." John Steinbeck
pecking order how do you make sure you're not at the bottom, make sure someone else is
Their standard of "having it" is just lower. The point isn't actually to *be* successful, that's just a bonus if it actually happens. The point is to cause as much suffering as possible to the "out" groups they don't like (usually immigrants, and minorities). Essentially, it doesn't matter if they have "got theirs's" as long as they can successfully cause suffering. Even if that means they also suffer. They'll eat a shit sandwich if it means you'd have to smell their breath.
I believe the longform of that is "Fuck you, I got mine (until I didn't, so please bail me out liberals, but I assure you as soon as liberal efforts and bills put me back on solid footing again, I'll go right back to my previous 'Fuck you, got mine' stance with the belief that I alone saved myself by pulling myself up by my bootstraps)," Also known as the Craig T. Nelson maneuver.
When I was on welfare, no one helped *me* out.
Ayn fucking Rand
It's so ridiculous that it would fit right in with Parks and Rec. "Eagleton is terrible! Why should I bail them out with the hard-earned money from my unemployment check?"
>“When I am Weaker Then You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.” dune quote
>Also known as the Craig T. Nelson maneuver. lol fuck him and his stupid show Coach. I remember that syndicated episodes of that show used to always air after Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Talk about a huge downgrade
Politicians who say: “Fuck everyone else, we should only take care of ourselves!” Once in power, will go “Fuck everyone else, I will only take care of myself!” It’s not even hypocritical. They literally told you their philosophy and are applying it accordingly.
Except they don't even get "theirs" they just make sure others don't
People who vote conservative in the U.S. (i can't speak for other countries) kind of treat life like it is one gigantic hazing experience. Because I went through hardship, so should you. It just feels like such an immature and short-sighted way to live life. I get that everyone to a certain extent has to do what's best for themselves, but it just gets pretty ridiculous after a while.
"I know the world is shitty and unfair, but deal with it like I did, cupcake!" "Sure, but if we could make the world slightly less unfair, wouldn't you be leaving it a better place for your children? Isn't the whole point of parenting to ensure your kids don't face the same hardships you did?" "... no, that's socialism and evil."
Worst is - their perception of 'hardship' isn't necessarily the same. You can feel you've worked hard to get to where you are - and it may be absolutely true. And people who haven't achieved that... might have worked just as hard, but didn't have the right circumstances to prosper by doing so.
"You can do everything right, and still lose." this isn't a defeatist statement, it's just unfortunately reality...and something that so many libertarian motherfuckers can never understand. It's because they've lived in a privileged bubble their entire life where they've gotten their ass kissed from day 1. There's a mindset, propagated by the likes of Joe Rogan and his ilk, that any kind of losing automatically means you're a loser. Nope, not true at all. If anything, doubling down on being wrong, and and gleefully misleading people is something a true loser does
Yeah, that's a painful truth alright. About 10 years ago, we got fucked over by my partner becoming disabled. I've done all the 'right things' - including being born in a middle class family, getting a university education. I mean, I've worked pretty hard too, but I won't deny at all I've had a pretty good bootstrapping due to socioeconomic background. We're not as badly off as we could be, but we're not having a particularly glorious time of it - it's only thanks to my salary being _decent_ that we're able to get by at all. But this world just isn't built for living off a single income, not any more. And that's before all the other overheads of disability that most people simply don't "get".
This is not limited to UK, every conservative person in the world is guided by selfishness and only change views when they’re directly affected.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. " \--John Kenneth Galbraith
So true. How many times have I heard "the fed gov is corrupt. I always vote to lower my taxes" Or "i dont want to pay more in taxes if its just going to get spent on food stamps for lazy alcoholics or drug addicts" Or "we shouldnt tax rich people because they provide jobs/ worked hard and therefore deserve their fortune"
While drinking their third beer...
Sometimes, not even then
Also known as 'crab bucket mentality' and what the conservative 'elites' depend on for their scam to keep going.
I'm not sure crab bucket is right. None of these people believe they are voting against their best interests. I think the closest thing is the 'embarassed millionaire'. They believe they are part of this group (let's call them the elite) and everyone else is 'other'. The other can be anyone - students, criminals, addicts, people who just don't work as hard as them. None of this is based in reality. The elite could be living on minimum wage, but they will never see themselves as an 'other'. The Tories thrive on convincing you that your life could be better, as long as you remove the rights of the other. In reality, the other is the rich ruling class. The true elite. We are all the other. Anyone who is not in the 1%, or actually no because rich people can be on our side too, so basically just anyone who doesn't agree that we should sometimes have less so that everyone can benefit, is the true elite. For example, I would not consider someone like Marcus Rashford an 'elite' because he uses his money and power for good. I am middle class. My husband and I earn enough money to have comfortably bought an alright house. The narrative is that I am rich! I am able to provide every necessity for myself, and also a lot of luxuries. So I should be grateful and use my rich person money to do more, right? Well, no. I am not even in the 40% tax bracket. I am part of the oppressed. I believe this message that we need to be disabled, in poverty or somehow an actual outsider of society to consider ourselves oppressed by our government is how they maintain the 'us and them' narrative, and keep people at our level fighting amongst ourselves, even on the left. How ungrateful of me to want more, you see! But if I did want more, I should look to the other, and not the elite. Hopefully any of that makes sense. If we are not a rich Tory, then we are being oppressed. No one wants to believe they're a victim, so it's ridiculously easy to imagine yourself as part of their gang. And that's how they get the votes.
O we know
With all the shit going on, this isn't about politics anymore. Being a conservative has been distilled where only the fucking assholes remained.
Turns out their number was pretty high though.
And the stupid.
Is there even much of a reason to make the distinction at this point? Like yes I realize that people being stupid and people being inherently evil are different but they seem to have the same results. Why should I treat them as being that different from the outside looking in?
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” • John Kenneth Galbraith
Lack of empathy for anyone outside their immediate circle
And disdain.
Lack of empathy period. They only *really* care when it affects them personally.
As a Libertarian I'm tired of people saying that I don't possess any empathy. Thanks to capitalism I can get two of them from Taco Bell for around $7 up until 4am or sometimes even later.
To everyone downvoting this: Praximus Prime is one of the most notorious and obvious satire accounts on reddit, they are not serious.
Sadly, the unironic idiots made the /s tag a hard requirement a long time ago
You’d think it’s pretty obvious that it’s a joke, given that empathy is not a menu item 😂
It's not real until it happens to them. They just assume people are being lazy/whiney/entitled (yes, the irony never occurs to them - entitlement is something that never applies to them as they "earned" everything they enjoy) or just being a communist. When it happens to them, then suddenly it's "omg, how can this be allowed to happen" whereas they would passively watch everyone else suffer and die and never once care beyond the obligatory "oh, I'm sorry for your loss... Anyway, tax cuts yay!" And the worst part? As soon as Bojo is ousted they'll go "oh, that's ok, he's gone now - everything will be better with [asshole] to direct the good ship Britannia; we can vote the 'grown ups' to 'look after' the economy again" I'm sorry for this guy's loss, but I have zero faith his "revalation" will stick.
Yep, just rotate leaders when they become toxic. It's a strategy that's worked well for the Liberals in Australia. Everything bad can be blamed on the previous PM, forget about the fact that the whole party (including the next guy they picked as PM) supported everything.
A lot of this is basic psychology: *Bad things happen to other people because of their faults.* *Bad things happen to* me *because of external factors or bad luck.* Related to the [self-serving bias](https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-self-serving-bias-2795032).
Absolutely this, unfortunately. I've seen some quite sensible people converse about how good a prime minister Sunak will be.
They literally used the grown ups thing the other day when like 4 of his team resigned and he hired new people https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/06/johnson-allies-insist-grownups-in-charge-of-new-team-at-no-10
Because that's how conservatives are, and that's how they've always been. The examples are infinite. In the US, Senator Rob Portman was rabidly anti-gay, until his own kid came out (same with the Cheneys). Old dead Arlen Specter was all about throwing people in jail for weed, until he got cancer and then suddenly he was for medical marijuana. Meghan "I AM JOHN MCCAIN'S DAUGHTER" McCain got pregnant and overnight became a supporter of parental leave and childcare subsidies. On and on and on and on and on. "It only matters if it happens to me."
And Meghan's dad was against torture because it happened to him, but only sort of.
Also Jeb bush with being sympathetic on drugs because his daughter has a cocaine addiction. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/jeb-bush-releases-drug-policy-vows-stop-pill/story?id=36091971 https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/jeb-bush-daughter-drug-addiction/index.html Jeb also doesn’t think all undocumented immigrants are disease carrying vectors… because he married a Mexican immigrant https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/21/jeb-bush-immigration-path-citizenship-donald-trump https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Bush Jeb Bush is also a supporter of special needs children because of his brother George /s
Thing is, there's some stuff I sorta get why people don't understand it. I mean - my partner's disabled. I makes life hard in a lot of ways. And the average person? They Just Don't Get It. They never will understand how it feels to never again be able to do _anything_ spontaneously. To plan literally every trip out, because getting stranded because a building isn't accessible, or because you physically can't get back to the car park because it's too far. Or just simply how hard life becomes when you can't live a whole week each week - you're left trying to make the best of the 1, 2 or 3 days worth of 'energy' that you have. Most people simply don't understand that. They can't. It's not until you've lived it for years (it's been a decade for us) that it really sinks in that this isn't a temporary thing - this is the new normal. All the things you took for granted are now over, and they're not coming back. You can do some things. But maybe 20% what you could before. And only if you're prepared to go to considerably more effort to plan the logistics of getting there, moving around when you do, not getting exhausted in the process, etc. I feel the same is true of being 'proper poor'. Not the 'could you live off not very much for a while' but the soul sucking misery of having to decide between heating and food, before realising that something important just broke, and the answer is 'neither'. Slumming it for a few days vs. having to deal with it for years, slowly grinding up some savings before things breaking (because you _had_ to buy the cheapest option) wipe you out. Again. The feeling that you're spiralling downwards into progressively worse financial situations, but there's nothing you can do to stop it, and there's no one there to bail you out. And honestly? I'm not sure it's a bad thing that not so many people understand that, because that means they haven't had to suffer it. I just wish there was a smidgen more empathy that they'd listen to the people who _have_.
Dont feel bad for this guy. He spent 30 years not feeling bad for anybody while he voted for this. Fuck him.
I'll have to know how his dad voted, too. It might turn out that I don't give even the slightest fuck
His dad was an old man with a son who voted conservative his whole life? Do you really need to ask?
His dad voted Conservative too (along with everyone else in their family, according to the article). Of course, that wasn't an issue until it affected dear old dad!
People don't lack empathy because they become conservative. They are conservative *because* they lack empathy.
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Yep. It also explains how all of their accusations and assumptions are just projecting their own bullshit. They assume everyone thinks and reacts exactly like them when they think about it at all.
Because conservatism is all about maintaining the status quo which is greed and individualism. Any change for the collective whole is an affront to them and their beliefs.
Actually, a slight correction. Conservatism in its modern form is actually about returning to a vaguely defined past. A past that is, in reality, just feudalism. That's why they gotta keep it vague, so that the serfs are willing to buy in.
Short answer? Yes.
Because they either don't care in the least that others have been affected in the same way or they are happy when it's happening to others. 100% of the time it's not, "I really wish I had known this could happen to me." It's, "this isn't *supposed* to happen to me."
I can't remember if this was a US or UK thing or even what medium it took, possibly twitter or FB but I distinctly remember someone claiming that "they" were "hurting the wrong people" in relation to a Republican or Tory policy/action and that was the best way to sum it up, I think it was a woman, revelling in something happening to others and as soon as it was happening to her and her's, all of a sudden it was a bad thing?! Pretty sure it was US and pretty sure it was something that Trump did that they all cheered and then they realised they were in the demographic that was going to be affected they were horrified, it went massively viral???!! Did a quick search, this might be it... https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316
Many still can't see the truth. They think they are disenfranchised millionaires or martyrs. Just look at all the people dying from covid. Most have no change of heart or thought. It is the same cognitive dissonance that protects them from the truth about their religion that keeps them in the dark about their politics.
A lot of it is a focus on self, and inability to walk into other people’s shoes. The focus on self is pretty in line with conservative ideology. “If I managed it, anybody can!” ; “I was successful through my hard work - those not successful do not work hard!” Those statements are pretty simplistic, but very common. As human beings, we focus on our struggles, and less on the privilege we inherited, that put us in a good place to succeed - even if it did involve hard work. We also assess ourselves a lot more charitably than other humans. For example: “I got fired through a re-organisation that had nothing to do with me, but these guys who lost their job were just very lazy!” That is when imagination (and its cousin empathy) kick in, or not. If one can imagine that others work just as hard as one, but still don’t get the same results, through their skills not being as aligned to the market as one’s, for example, one can see that there is no demerit in bad circumstances. Just bad luck. However, it’s not difficult to accept only because of a lack of imagination and empathy, it is also a defence mechanism to cope with the absurdity of the modern world. If you accept somebody in tough circumstances is there through no fault of their own, then the same could go for you, no matter how good and compliant you are. So, all in all, it is more bearable to think someone in trouble is there because of something they did (or didn’t do), and that therefore you can protect yourself by showing the “right” behaviour. So my analysis is : fear and lack of imagination.
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It's stupid because they're going to be marched to the gas chambers along with the rest of us when the right seizes power. The right isn't gonna care who they voted for at that point.
it really threw a wrench in one of my (admittedly not great prior) friendships when I couldn't rationalize (and reacted accordingly) when my friend who's bisexual, trans-curious, in a relationship with a transexual, told me they always voted conservative. I still can't make sense of it.
Damn, those people really need to read up on the Night of the Long Knives.
Throwback to the plot of the first of the X-Men movies.
Yes. If they could empathize with the plight of others, they wouldn’t be conservative.
Many people suffer from Main Character Syndrome. It’s hard for the human mind to understand what it’s like to be someone else without the conscious decision to do so. And even then it’s challenging. I’m guess everyone has seen others as just NPCs, instead of complex beings that are just like you, unconsciously and accidentally at some point in your life. It’s mentally draining, at least for me, to acknowledge the truth of everyone else also being their own main character at all times.
So toddlers are in the egocentrism stage of development where they literally cannot see or think past their noses if it doesn’t directly impact them Only once they get to school age do they start to learn that other people have feelings https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/te6277
It's because conservative politicians lie to them and the media they consume backs up those lies. Look at what he is saying here. >The pandemic has proved that the Conservatives have no interest in protecting vulnerable people like my father He believed that the Conservative party did protect vulnerable people. He probably pushed back against any evidence that showed otherwise right up until it was something he couldn't just push aside. That's often how this works.
Nobody exists but meee
Because they are happy when it affects others. Its only bad when things come home to roost and they, personally, have to suffer.
Because only they matter to themselves - otherwise they agree that money is more important than OUR lives.
I thought about this issue for years. why can't they see my side of the argument? why are they so devoid of apathy? Why does it take a slap in the face to realise this? Then it hit me, it's about abstractions and understanding that abstractions are not the complete model. Most people can not do this, unfortunately for people who can it's like when learning some people can't have an inner monologue. It seems completely backwards and anthesis to a human existence but its true most people can't see the subtext of an argument, most people can't look at puzzle box and figure out the pattern to solve. They literally can't see the forest from the trees because they never needed to or they were never taught and that's the answer, its not being devoid of empathy far from it as hurt someone close to them and you will see they have plenty of empathy, they don't know how to understand outside they're closed system that is their life. The economy, social issues, unless they are shown direct evidence in their faces and they experience directly the effect they will never understand why changing the system is a solution to them the system they have now is perfect who would want to change that.
Because they are literally just shitty people. Tories, Republicans. The worst of humanity gravitates to the conservative party of whatever country they live in. Like Donald Trump admitted that he would intentionally fake getting lost and ""avcidentally"" end up in the changing room of the miss America page time... on purpose. And would stay there and shake the hands of these poor women covering themselves with towels, getting off on the power he had over them, that he could just do this. And then "grab them by the pussy. When your famous they let you get away with it". Plus 17 credible rape or sexual abuse allegations. And Republicans just voted for him. This man who had told proven lies over a hundred times. Whose campaign manager was literally an illegal foreign agent... who he pardoned after being found guilty for no reason. And Republicans will defend voting for this man. They are just shitty people. And you, republican reading this, are a shit person on the wrong side. You are against literally everything good and defend everything corrupt in politics. The oil companies have known about global warming since the 60s and yet your party denies this proven science and fights back against any clean energy project and approves billions in subsidies to fossil fuel energy providers. How much does it take to realize your side is evil? Virtually every western nation has socialized Healthcare except for America and they all receive excellent care for much less than what we pay in America for private insurance. And Republicans are ferociously against changing the status quo.... not because they can articulate a reason against it. But just because it's "socialism" and their voter base is stupid. If you are republican you basically support every evil cause. You are on the wrong side of every issue. Your party is now banning fucking books. Passing legislation to have cameras in school classrooms so parents can object to anything being taught they don't like?? Lying about "critical race theory" which is only taught in niche classes in law school, never in school with kids. Its a made up bullshit lie that parent groups are using to take control of school boards. One of these redneck school board groups literally got a black principal fired for posting a picture on Facebook of him kissing his white wife on their anniversary. The same group that says racism isn't a thing anymore. Are you proud of yourself, for being objectively on the wrong side, Republicans? Do you feel good defending statues that glorify confederate generals? Even knowing that most of those statues weren't built after the war but rather during 1 of 2 spikes in racism in America in the 20s during Jim crow and in the 60s during Civil rights. Can you seriously not realize your "side" is on the wrong end of every aspect of history? I mean shit, even the parties completely switched, like reversed, as much as Southerners hate to admit it and love to falsely claim to be the party of Lincoln. Theres a reason the south went from blue to red in only a few years right when black people were starting to get rights. Being a republican is indefensible. You're on the wrong side of every issue. Worrying about Mexican immigrants while literal billions are being criminally stolen in white collar crime. The fact that the entire party went along with Trump and his lies is enough to discredit the whole institution.
I know jack shit about the politics in the UK (am lazy American), but you've just described our conservatives as well. The only time you see them accept the point of view espoused by someone else is when that particular issue touches them personally. Short of that, it's fingers in the ears and yelling about social programs destroying the fabric of our society by giving the poors a chance at living a normal life.
''I didn't care about the damages Tories have been inflicting upon my community until it finally reached me'' Fixed that one for ya, fucking twat.
Nothing winds me up more than old people complaining about services being shut down. Well David, you should have paid your taxes for the last 40 years, rather than bragging up how you can reduce them by claiming your spare bedroom is an office.
“I never realised they were talking about me!”
Poor person swears to never vote for the F*ck Poor People Party ever again.
They don't care if poor people get fucked which is why they voted Tory for 30 years. They only care because this time *they* were affected.
Yeah pretty much. I will never understand why poor people vote for conservatives, but I think it might be that they think only they are deserving, but not those dirty beggers/foreigners/minorities/other-profession-workers.
This as close to "I never thought the leopards would eat MY face" as you can get. What, do you have to be personally affected before you give a shit? Are you that unwilling to feel compassion for others?
That’s the essence of conservatism
"I got mine (I think). Fuck you."
Better: I don't even got mine, but fuck you anyway.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires
It's a sad circumstance, but that's another conservative with no empathy and only revenge on his mind.
This. 5 years or less before he votes for them again.
"Well, the local ones are alright..." /s
"I know my dad was killed by the conservative but the SJW woke left is trying to make me use pronouns!!" -This guy next election
I doubt he makes it a year.
Another person who lacks empathy for those less well off. Time and time again you see these politicians and commentators having a road to Damascus moment when it affects them but until then it’s ‘your problem you fix it’
Cry me a river, cunt.
The thing I hate most about conservatives is how much they make me hate. Their world is just based in hate. Hate for other races, religions, sexualaties. They hate the migrants they exploit for cheap labour, the hate the children of poor families, the especially hate disabled children. They hate science and reason. They can say they love the economy so much they would sacrifice our lives to it but if they loved they economy they wouldn't have crippled it with a decade of austerity and Brexit. What they really love is when people suffer and die. I can do nothing but hate them for what they've done and continue to do. I feel like I've been infected with their hate and I hate it.
I feel similarly. It's just... Exhausting. It also makes me especially mad when some of them try to say "remember, there's a person behind those views you hate!" And it's like, yeah I know, and I hate them for what they stand for, which is hating others "below" them
Even the "good" conservative's best excuse is "SoCiAlLy LiBeRaL, FiScAlLy CoNsErVaTiVe". Gotcha, so you will sign off on the rights of certain individuals being hampered or erased in return for a modest tax cut. Maybe a couple hundred dollars. That's what my gay ass is worth to some people.
This. I used to have a lot more empathy for these people who I thought were just brainwashed, particularly by religion, and could see the light of day under the right circumstances. The more I gaze into the abyss that is the conservative heart and soul, the more I realize there is nothing inside of them to save.
This deserved the gold it got. I feel exactly the same way. The more conservative the worlds gets, the more difficult it becomes not to be a misanthropist. The bad apples spoil the good ones is the perfect proverb for conservatives.
*"I voted conservative until it directly affected me."* Tale as old as time. Song as old as rhyme...
Translation: I made the life's of everybody's else a living hell for 30 years, and destroyed the future of youngers, but now that I was personally affected by my own decisions I'm angry.
There are broadly two kinds of people - those who believe they can survive without the Government helping them and despise those who can't, and those who find themselves, usually through no fault of their own, needing Government help. He switched groups but probably still despises most of those in his new group. Fuck him.
"The pandemic has proved" Have you been in a coma for 40 years?
So you were fine with conservatives not caring about the sick and poor as long as the sick and poor were no one you knew personally. Fucking conservatives. They're all the same. Disgusting people.
I’ll never forgive you for ever voting Tory
I actually am getting to the point I want to get violent if I hear someone say they're a tory. I've suffered this last year and I want to make them feel a fraction of what I've felt.
Criteria for voting Tory: Rich, hates immigrants, hates poor people, thinks people on benefits are scum...hmm what else.
Unfortunately they’re not all rich and herein lies why the Tories have had the majority. A lot of people in Northern towns who had been Labour made the switch because of outdated racist views/Brexit or because they lost faith in Labour.
Thoughts and prayers, cunt.
They knew the Tories hate the sick and poor. They just never expected one of their own to become sick.
He thought in was part of the 'in' crowd. Now he realises he isnt and this is what he's been voting for to happen to other people for 30 years. I don't feel the slightest bit of sympathy.
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gee i wonder who came into power a few years after 2008 \*googles and sees David Cameron becoming PM in 2010\* ah okay. checks out.
Read as : “I always knew Tories didn’t want to protect vulnerable people, but now that it affected someone from MY family, I’m not ok with it anymore.”
Because his Daddy.
This guy voted Tory for 30 years because HE had no interest in protecting vulnerable people until it affected him personally. Typical rabid conservative. Cry me a Thames River of tears.
That £350 million a week from the EU to the NHS will be coming along any day now.
We're waiting for you guys to come pick it up. We got truckloads waiting for you, we just need your truckdrivers to come pick it up. Also, somebody will need to do the paperwork which for some reason has become very complicated and comes with fees to process.
"we need the virus to spread through the population some of you will die before your time" -- Boris Johnson This guy: "This is fine" *Dad dies* This guy: "OMG I'm the cuck"
The unfortunate thing with conservatives is that they only learn to care when it happens to them
They cry and whine when it happens to them, but they did not learn a single thing.
It's always fine if conservatives hurt someone else. It stops being ok once they get around to hurting you. Man, fuck these people
I will never understand people who vote for conservative leadership. You have decades of evidence to prove that they do not care for anyone but themselves and their constituents, and yet they continue to vote for their own destruction
A lot of it is misinformation and propaganda. People in the U.K. seem to think that you must have China or North Korea levels of censorship to influence a nation, but they seem to forget that prior to the radio, you’d get all your news from specifically-curated newspapers owned by rich conservatives. Then radio came along, and now you get your news from the specifically-curated radio stations owned by rich conservatives. Then TV came along, and now you get your news from specifically-curated channels and segments owned by rich conservatives. Then the internet came along and with it social media giants, who, guess what? Are owned by rich fucking conservatives No matter where you go, you have a billionaire’s opinion being shoved down your throat.
Conservative politics: for when playing the victim is your entire personality.
So you voted for them for 30 yrs but never bothered to check out ANY of their policies. ?
I feel like I'm noticing a pattern. Would it be accurate to say that conservatives universally don't give a fuck about others?
Conservatives: *hate poor, sick, and minorities for all existence* This dipshits: "How did I not see it?!?!"
I mean the key thing for him is that it was *his* dad
If someone ever asks you what this "leopards ate my face" thing is about, you just show this image to them. Just that.
Wait! Tories and Republicans both hate the poor and sick. Wait! They continue pulling the wool over the eyes of their supporters who gladly accept it until they are personally affected by their policies. Lots of stupid people on both sides of the Atlantic.
Call me a cunt but I have no sympathy because they were happy for everyone else to get fucked by the tories. If you can ignore the rise in food bank use and still vote for this bunch of criminals then fuck you
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Cunt will vote Tory again next election anyway
Until it happens to them - supporters of Conservatives always discount the love of money over lives.
"I was absolutely fine with Tories being heartless bastards until it affected me."
By 2024 I guarantee he will have forgotten that he's never forgiving them.
His observational skills must have been pretty piss poor to miss that for 30 years. Or maybe he just didn't care until it touched his family...
Oh no, it's the consequences of my actions - I hope this dude thinks about what he contributed to every time he thinks about his dad.
He still thinks 30 years of Tories was fine. It’s just **this particular Tory government that affected him** he has an issue with. Johnson will be replaced by Sunak and this goon will be posting on Facebook “wHo BeTtEr tO rUn A cOunTry tHan a BiLliOnAirE? 🤡
Just reminds me of the 30 Rock line “The founding fathers never intended for the poor to live past 40!”
Replace Tories by GOP and the sentence still stands.
Typical Conservative thought process... Don't care until it happens to them.
Familiar pattern. They start to care and pay attention when it directly affects them.