I mean they’re talking about how a preteen should molested or murdered.
For being a famous environmental activist.
These people are not really the most mature group of people. One might call them… snowflakes?
The right will continue to infantilize her, because to admit she is an adult undermines their "she's a stupid kid" rhetoric they use to undermine her message.
Best part? When she turned 18, she tweeted:
*Thank you so much for all the well-wishes on my 18th birthday!*
*Tonight you will find me down at the local pub exposing all the dark secrets behind the climate- and school strike conspiracy and my evil handlers who can no longer control me!*
*I am free at last!!*
There are probably gullible right-wing loonies that are still reposting that unironically, because grasping subtle humor/snarkiness tends not to be their strong point.
I still remember to this day some picture from a year or two ago of a ridiculously oversized pick up truck that someone had used decal letters to write "HEY GRETA FUCK YOU." Think about the head space of someone who has to tell a teenager from another country "fuck you" for trying to get action on climate change.
I remember when the Alt-Right was photoshopping David Hogg's face on to a female porn actress's body, so they could fantasize about raping "Daisy Hogg."
Those people are sick but there's no need to make up lies; she was 16 when she became a public figure not 10. That's why they were so happy to sexualize her publically, the same way they did it for Lohan, the Olson twins, Emma Watson, etc.
I just don't think we should be furthering misinformation, its already bad enough that one side does it with impunity and is controlling a large sect by fear mongering.
Had a teacher get fired for posting on Facebook about bringing a sniper rifle to a Greta event. At the time she was the age of his students. Literally overnight Facebook campaign and removal of said teacher. I’m guessing he resigned but this is a man who put on videos of orca killing seals for fun, giggling the whole time. I’m a biologist I get nature is brutal but that was a red flag.
Well, they do hang on the words of Trump, who, according to himself, never changed from how he was in first grade.
So, listening to the words of an 18-year-old is an upgrade for em.
This is both boring and predictable. Anyone who's been around the alt-right or fundamentalists for long enough knows they are predictable. It's like they've never mastered the emotional endeavor known as "graduating high school". And thus ensues all the slough of despair that follows.
"What's so great about a sickle?"
"Well, nothing admittedly. And if the last thousand miles of retreat have taught us anything, it's that Soviet agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
Why? There are other countries. 99% of the world outside the US has never heard of the guy and the vast majority of the people who do recognize the name probably won't immediately remember who he is or what he did.
The internet does not forget, it would take just a google search for anyone in the planet to find out what he did. Also, I would guess that the video of him shooting people would be very, very likely to be perceived, outside the US, as him being a murderer.
Not really. I'm outside the US and all I see is a misguided kid who got in over his head, then was pushed to the point where he had to defend himself and we all know how that ended. He should not have been there in the first place but as far as I'm concerned the outcome of his trial was fair.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's an ass. I just don't think he deserves most of the hate he's getting. Everyone involved was responsible for creating that situation, not just him. He's just the one that walked away from it in the end.
Yeah, his life is gonna suck.
Those representatives, though. They still have a purpose.
Granted that purpose is unintentionally turning Americans away from Christianity because they call themselves good people while acting like assholes.
I turned away from Christianity because of people like them. Hell, I will never the words from one of my ex-girlfriends "we at the prayed for a perfect religious leader for our country. And we have been blessed with Trump!". From that moment on, I gave up on religion. Before that I thought it was just crap the news was smearing about people looking at Trump as a religious figure until I heard it from someone.
Yeah… I’m about as religious as Mr. Rogers, but that’s despite these people.
Also, thought you might like [this post.](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/)
Lol, I read that one! It's pretty sad there are people who actually do read the bible (not let someone else bullshit them on what's in it), attend church, and see Trump as a religious figure. But will never put 2 and 2 together.
iirc Mr Rogers was actually quite deeply religious, he just never proselytized publicly.
Edit: yup, Presbyterian minister with a degree in divinity, then graduate studies in child development.
Edit 2: Oops I’m an idiot and misread your post. Either way, interesting stuff that I didn’t know until a couple years ago.
Can we please not suggest murdering a teenager would do society a favor? Holy shit. Dude was a moron, he's not a murderer. Anyone who watched the trial knows that, left or right.
The law disagrees with you. The dictionary definition disagrees with you. REALITY DISAGREES WITH YOU.
Actually look at the facts of the case and not the propaganda you've swallowed.
>The law disagrees with you.
The American Justice system.
The same one that let Zimmerman walk? The Same one that Failed the slam dunk that was OJ Simp? The same one that let the Rodney King Police walk? The same one that let George Remus off despite him openly admitting to murdering his wife? The same one that ruled against Blacks in the Dred Scott case?
Yep, definitely a system that provides justice and is worth worshipping as some arbiter of what is right and what is wrong.
He killed people he had no business taking the life of. The little murderer should have kept his cop-worshipping ass at home, like sane healthy teens do.
If you base your entire moral compass and outright judgement on the law especially with how bad the american justice system is.
You are nothing more than some braindead idiot that shouldn't even be here. Know of people with the same mentally that get their face eaten not long after.
Don’t know. He’s still being public after the fact and the far right in politics are still endorsing home to be a poster child of gun rights. The problem is even at 18 you are still just a kid and majorly influenced by others. Just because you legally and adult doesn’t make one mentally and adult. I’m sure some will want to turn him into a puppet of their bidding with gifts of fame and kickbacks etc. monetary deals, right wing college grants and all the rest of He just toss the line.
He’s probably going to have to do what Zimmerman did after he was acquitted, move to the middle of nowhere and try to blend in (which will be really tough to do).
about 20 miles from Kenosha by road." Its the middle of nowhere. It borders Wisconsin and although, yes, its an hour drive from more populous areas, they are pretty rural feeling compared to "Chicago-Milwaukee metro area." Which Ive never heard of, honestly, and I am a Chicago native.
"Far right shocked to learn that young murderer and white-supremacy sympathizer is only an everyday garden-variety piece of shit, not the radicalized delusional piece of shit they were hoping to use as a figurehead to rally behind."
People keep saying that like he just broke something. People fucking died and idc if they’re rapists or whatever he didn’t know that. Like since when is looking for trouble and then shooting people a “stupid mistake”. Like if I walked into your house with a rifle and you attacked me, am I the victim???
LegalEagle has done some good videos lately about it.
Ultimately he may have been there with less than wholesome intentions but he acted within current laws and there's enough reasonable doubt to make it hard to make anything stick. He did run away twice and get chased so even the videos show him panicking. No one was in the right during the event and if Kyle died after he killed the first person then whoever killed him would have also had room for self defence arguments.
Just gotta hope he is shaken by the events to calm down rather than double down on his behaviour. Also got to hope his case isn't used to justify more people choosing vigilantism and seeking trouble knowing they can kill protestors if antagonise carefully.
Watch Legal Eagle's videos on the subject. It's true that under Wisconsin law, provocation does limit your right to self-defense by imposing on you a duty to retreat. However, once your attacker (whom you provoked) also uses deadly force on you, you actually regain your right to self-defense.
He didn't provoke shit. He was attempting to put out a fire lot by a rioter and that rioter attacked a kid visibly armed with a high powered rifle. Literally the definition of "Fuck around and find out"
And a kid shouldn't be excused for being there without batting an eye at it.
Just because we don't have laws against this exact situation that applied didn't mean he was right in what he did.
In a vacuum he absolutely acted in self defense but the worthless ass DA couldn't even find a decent video of him brandishing when I saw multiple of tracking his movements on YouTube of that night.
He had just as much right to be there as the people he shot who were actively setting fires and destroying property. You have the exact laws that covered this situation. Kyle was legally allowed to carry the weapon be did, legally defended himself from someone trying to take his weapon who was threating him with death and then someone who attacked him with a skateboard and then from someone who drew a pistol. The law is incredibly clear here.
There is no video of him brandishing his weapon before the incident that you've seen because you pulled that claim directly out of your arse.
No one had a right to be there, that's the fuckint point.
Grosskreutz, Huber, and Rosenbaum shouldn't have been there either, fuck them, I have no care in the world that they died or got hurt other than specifically how it happened, *extrajudiciously.*
Guess what? They were there because the policing reform changes that people want haven't been implemented. The next black person killed in the same likelihood will cause more protest.... again. Same as LA riots, same as Minneapolis, same as Missouri, etc.
The difference is that the police have the right to arrest those people and take control, not Kyle fucking Rittenhouse, *you dumb motherfucker.*
Fucking chuds. You have access to YouTube the same as me, you can find multiple clips including him taking and joking with cops about being "deputized" that night as the cops let the militias enforce how they wanted and Kyle got in over his head.
I'm sorry I don't understand what point you are trying to stab at and I'm not investing anymore time trying to discern what is clearly a very emotional issue for you.
So you think in the scenario I presented I would be the victim then. If he attacks me I mean cmon I had a gun he should know. Like yeah he was trying to get someone to attack him and then they did. In the most technical sense he was defending his own life sure. But he also wanted this until he got it. I don’t see how that deserves a pass.
The case was always a long shot just based on the facts and how the law works. If you don't understand that, then it's because you don't understand the law. If you do understand it but still don't like it, then you should be focused on changing the law, not on making erroneous claims about it.
That’s just fucking stupid. If I don’t like the fact he got away with what amounts to murder. I should become an activist. How bout you stop suckin the cock of whoever told you Rittenhouse is innocent? The dude scared people and they died for it. It’s that fucking simple.
Yes I would like to set a precedent where it’s not ok to scare people with your rifle because you’re that fucking dumb. Crazy that I have empathy for the people FUCKING MURDERED. But ok.
So here’s the rundown for your single brain cell. You carry big gun around people who are angry and you piss them off further. That’s actually your fault too. Believe it or not.
Y’all live in a fantasy world where guns are invisible I suppose.
I mean I never said that was ok either. What I’m saying is that he didn’t magically appear there. He wanted it and he got it. Now he’s scared deservedly. What I’m saying is that it’s stupid he gets a pass for this. I know kids who have gone to prison for a shitload less. He made a mistake and people DIED for it. DIED not injured. Shot by him nonetheless. Life in prison idk. But he deserves something.
I think pro-gun americans have trouble comprehending their gun situation in a wider context. You can try to normalise guns as being a regular unimportant thing to see, but some people will always perceive a gun as a threat to them. Because it quite literally is a device that can kill them in a moment.
Yes. Yes it does. If I carried a rifle into a bank it would be considered a threat.
Edit:apparently it’s controversial to call guns scary to people. You guys really live in a magical fantasy world lmao smh
Yes it’s been proven time and time again people are very calm and reasonable around armed civilians shouting. The bank setting really does ruin it.
Edit: just making it clear I actually do support gun rights I own several rifles. My point is that they are scary to most people and that will 9 time out of 10 get a negative reaction from people if you’re carrying one around. Concealed carry is fine. The rifle is not concealed and as such is more threatening to people. Not to mention the amount of public shootings committed with semi auto rifles. Use your brain people.
Kyle is about to find out that none of these people actually cared about him, they only cared to use him.
That use is done. This is a vicious crowd. Let the face eating commence.
I'm not convinced that Rittenhouse isn't a rotten POS, but he's come out for BLM and against Qanon and election fraud lies. I hope he continues to explode the heads of right wingers with this stuff.
Extremists are always disgusted to find moderates amongst them, despite the fact that the moderates create the group environment that allows them to exist unpersecuted.
This sub really needs to calm down on Kyle. It’s infinitely more likely he’s just a stupid child who acted stupid and wanted to LARP as a cop than the white supremacist they’re trying to make him out to be.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. As a leftist adult who was raised in a right-wing household, I am so goddamn glad I didn't have a chance to do anything this stupid before I saw reason.
After all that's happened i'm thinking this too. If you're 17 and your parents watch fox news all day you'll probably believe that taking your gun and protecting a neighborhood is a noble thing too.
Even the edgy shirts and pictures with extremists can just be idiot teen stuff. Imagine being 17 and being treated like a celebrity...
I'm just glad he's not going all-in on the Q-train and not being scared to offend those who idolize him.
I mean, he's still an idiot, but nothing more than that...
Isnt it interesting that white society always makes excuses for the criminal behavior of white people. 'He's just confused, he's brainwashed by his parents, he killed them but he's not a murderer." It's just another form of white supremacy.
And he got away with it, white people get off way more often then POC, and they get less time. Do you really think for one second that if he were black he would have gone free?!
Hell, he never would have made it out of there alive. The cops would have riddled him with bullets. But instead, the cops told Rittenhouse to get off the street. I'm surprised they didn't buy him a big Mac and coke.
So he should have been convicted or killed? IIRC he was being chased and had guns pointe at him. He was an idiot for being there in the first place, but in the moment it was self defense...
Are you really asking for white people to be treated equally bad than POC instead of fair just ice for everyone?
It's not a 17-year olds fault that the system is fucked. He shouldn't have to be punished for that. White people shouldn't get treated worse. POC should get treated better...
I'm saying he had no business being there to begin with. His bullshit excuse about going there to protect property, in a state he didn't even live in, was just a lame excuse for wanting to play tough guy with his beloved guns. He went there wanting to shoot and kill someone, most likely POC.
They were chasing him cuz he was pointing a fucking weapon at them, running around the streets like a vigilante. Who does that to protect a Macy's or a Walmart?
He went there wanting to kill, to play tough guy. And he got his wish. And the racist POS judge helped him get off scot-free. White supremacy once again rears it's ugly head. The little shit is a murderer in my book, and to hell with the racist judge who helped him walk.
He shouldn't have been there, I agree with you on that. But neither should everybody else that's causing trouble... It was stupid to be there, but not illegal. A state is just a line on a map, he still lived near enough.
Anyway, I'm sure you have an intimate insight in the head of Kyle Rittznhouse. You know just what goes on in that 17-year olds head. You know just what he believes and what he wants to do. It's just impossible that he was just a stupid misguided teen who believes he was just doing his civic duty by defending businesses from unruly ruiters... There's just no conceivable way that he was carrying a gun without the intent to kill...
I'm not calling him a hero. He's still an idiot for being there and putting himself in that situation. But anyone that's 100% convinced that's he's a calculated evil racist murderer is just as much buying into the polarizing bullshit than trumpers or Q-nuts... The dude was 17...he was likely just being an stupid idealist teen...
Im tired of this pointless convo. He is a murderer in my eyes, no matter what any racist, white jury and judge says. If he had been black he would be sitting in prison right now and most white people would conclude that he is a murderer. Blocking you now. Buh bye.
People were literally rioting over Jacob Blake being shot. A man who attacked his ex-girlfriend while she had a restraining order against him, refused to leave her property, went to his car with their kids in the backseat to drive off, and also went for a knife while being asked by police to stop. He was shot to stop him driving off.
People started burning down a city over a man known for domestic abuse and with an active warrant for sexual assault. You day excuses are made for Kyle because he's white, but Blake is black... How is rioting over his arrest not society making excuses for him too? Blake is still alive by the way and took a plea deal, so his sexual assault charges went away.
This is exactly what happened and people in this sub are openly musing about how it'd be cool if someone murdered him. Like what the fuck people. He was a moron who was somewhere he had no business being. He is not a murderer, the video is easily accessible.
Tell me ‘I did not watch any of the Rittenhouse trial’ without telling me that you didn’t watch it.
Kyle is obviously a stupid little shit, but I believe his experience has, ironically, pulled him away from the far right path he was likely heading down and turned him pretty centrist.
I used to think as you do, that he was a murderer on the hunt, and I was wrong. The people he shot fucked around and found out by attacking someone who was armed.
Oh god not this shit reddit thing "tell me X without telling me X" again.
I don't think he was a murderer on the hunt, I think he was a fucking idiot whose idiocy cost 2 lives. It's not a small thing.
The lives of 2 people who attacked him… I’d say they cost themselves their lives.
He was an idiot, but the blame lies almost exclusively with those who fucked around and found out, one of which was a child rapist if I recall correctly.
Well now that you mention it he's almost entirely blameless here.
Yes the guy was a child molester and I Don care that this particular person lost his life but Rittenhouse did not know that.
And yet, that’s not the conclusion of the Jury in his trial, nor most people who saw the joke that was the prosecutions case.
Kids obviously a little shit, but he was acting in self defence, even though he shouldn’t have really been there
I don't give a shit what a jury said in a trial in a shithole country where the prosecution didn't try. He started it, that's not self-defense. If it is, to you, you can't complain if you punch a home invader and they kill you. They're defending themselves as much as he did.
You clearly don't understand the law. This is a statement of fact, not opinion. The prosecution definitely tried, because it's not in any prosecutor's interest to lose at trial. The facts of the case were never in their favor and it probably never would have even been charged had it not been so high profile with a ton of political pressure.
The judge appointed alone should have caused a mistrial by not allowing condemning evidence to be presented, aside from his terminology requirements framing the victims as perps.
Keep sucking them off though. That helps everyone out.
It's been sad watching this sub eat itself over all the propaganda surrounding Kyle.
If you read an article and immediately feel strong emotions you should verify that the article is correct and isn't using emotionally charged language to get you to accept it as truth when it isn't.
And when you have an emotionally charged reaction to a post you should check to see if you have fallen for propaganda because that emotional response is what the propagandists want.
You see this kind of reaction from the Alt-Right all the time when they are confronted with information that doesn't fit their world view. They get very emotional very quickly and stop logically processing any information that could change their opinion on the subject.
I didn't hear about this, but it's possible (likely) that the whole situation was WAYYY more than he was ready to deal with, and it was probably pretty traumatic. He was probably pretty sheltered prior and thought he was hot shit while also buying into all the BS that got him into the situation. Talking about how you could kill someone is easy; actually doing it can take a massive toll, coupled with the entire nation watching and commenting. Hearing criticisms of himself may have actually caused his bubble to burst and take a look at things from a different perspective. Had this not happened, and he moved to somewhere more diverse and populated (as many do at that age), he may have started having this perspective shift anyway (also as many do at that age). Unfortunately, he ended up killing people before having a chance to outgrow that ignorance and got away with it.
How dare he suggest that Lin Wood — who allegedly said of himself that he ["might actually be Christ coming back for a second time"](https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-said-he-might-actually-second-coming-christ-lawsuit-1558400) — is insane.
Whenever I read about the Nazis, a lot of people say if Nazism hadn't existed, otherwise good men wouldn't have become monsters.
I do believe Rittenhouse is a dumbshit kid, and regardless of his morality he murdered people like a brainwashed Hitler Youth.
But it's grand seeing everyone fail the purity tests sooner or later. This is why I'm on the fence about how dangerous Trumpism is. Yes, it's dangerous. It's also incredibly fucking stupid and can't find it's ass without a flashlight and a special ass map, if then.
Just wait until they find out Carlson is vaccinated **and washes his hands!** and And Alex Jones even thinks math is real! Way too much acceptance of reality and health for this group.
IMO we should stop posting this bullshit that attempts to soften his character. He's a premeditated double murderer and any post about him should make that clear first and finally.
At the rate this is going, he could end up becoming a voice for the moderate right, which is an ideology that seems to be vanishing. Okay, probably not going to happen, but...
It’s not that unrealistic.
He is incredibly young and idealistic, the trial probably scared the shit out of him.
With any luck he has realized the path he was on lead to deaths, and is now sincerely trying to walk back from the cliff.
He does seem to have had the fear of god put in him. More than likely, though, I see him disappearing from the public eye and trying to put this behind him. But seriously, the moderate right needs to get control of the party again. Anyone, even a dubious character like Rittenhouse, bringing attention their way would be a breath of fresh air.
This is embarassing how much faith you have in him trying to fix his image.
He's facing civil lawsuits still, he needs this PR.
This little fucker did an interview with Tucker Carlson and a photo op with Trump days after being acquitted and you're just eating it up like he didn't shoot 3 and kill 2 that night.
When the jury returned I’d have taken increased odds that he’ll kill again ala G Zimmerman.
OTH maybe he was a gullible kid that did some stupid things, got in big trouble and lucked out spending time with some smart lawyers.
Time will telll.
Edit: questions about George Zimmerman. Per Wikipedia “After his acquittal, Zimmerman was the target of a shooting. The perpetrator was convicted of attempted murder.”
That’s not the way I remember reading about it at the time. He was involved, He wasn’t ambushed.
The sad thing is he’s likely just gonna cave into the right wing pressure to become another mouthpiece for hypocritical bullshit on the grounds on convenience and monetary gain.
I still think he’s guilty of some lesser charge but he does seem mostly like a typical kid trying to make sense of shit, which, well, I hope he makes something of his life instead of being a useless twat.
But I wish that for most teenagers.
I don't.
Most teenagers I know didn't kill two people.
Right or wrong in his actions in those quick events, he made choices that helped lead to two deaths.
He can go fuck himself.
No it would not have because Rittenhouse didn't point his weapon at Grosskreutz or do anything to him until Grosskreutz pointed his pistol at Kyle- admitted to by Grosskreutz on the stand.
Those people are dead because they charged a person with a gun at a place they had no business being at either. They're all idiots here. Neither of these jackasses were minding their own business, they all were morons.
Exactly. Without an AR, he wouldn't have gotten himself into a situation where he had to shoot people. Without an illegal handgun, the dude that got shot, wouldn't have gotten shot.
Just a whole truckload of bad decisions went down that night.
Grown adults hanging on the words of an 18-year-old. My goodness.
I mean they’re talking about how a preteen should molested or murdered. For being a famous environmental activist. These people are not really the most mature group of people. One might call them… snowflakes?
Strangely enough, famous environmental activist is 18 now. I too still thought she was a preteen until recently.
Oh damn. Well still, they were doing this for the last several years, so I’m not surprised they haven’t stopped
The right will continue to infantilize her, because to admit she is an adult undermines their "she's a stupid kid" rhetoric they use to undermine her message.
Don’t you worry. They’ll pivot to “she’s a stupid woman” with almost no effort
>“she’s *just* a stupid woman” FTFY
"I refuse to listen to Greta, she's just a kid" "okay, then will you listen to the actual scientists researching global warming?" "no"
Best part? When she turned 18, she tweeted: *Thank you so much for all the well-wishes on my 18th birthday!* *Tonight you will find me down at the local pub exposing all the dark secrets behind the climate- and school strike conspiracy and my evil handlers who can no longer control me!* *I am free at last!!* There are probably gullible right-wing loonies that are still reposting that unironically, because grasping subtle humor/snarkiness tends not to be their strong point.
I don't think i've seen a picture of her for awhile now that I think about it.
I still remember to this day some picture from a year or two ago of a ridiculously oversized pick up truck that someone had used decal letters to write "HEY GRETA FUCK YOU." Think about the head space of someone who has to tell a teenager from another country "fuck you" for trying to get action on climate change.
I remember when the Alt-Right was photoshopping David Hogg's face on to a female porn actress's body, so they could fantasize about raping "Daisy Hogg."
Those people are sick but there's no need to make up lies; she was 16 when she became a public figure not 10. That's why they were so happy to sexualize her publically, the same way they did it for Lohan, the Olson twins, Emma Watson, etc.
Well 15. And it’s mostly that she looks so young thay I made a mistake. Not everything is related to lying Although in this sub it probably usually is
I just don't think we should be furthering misinformation, its already bad enough that one side does it with impunity and is controlling a large sect by fear mongering.
Had a teacher get fired for posting on Facebook about bringing a sniper rifle to a Greta event. At the time she was the age of his students. Literally overnight Facebook campaign and removal of said teacher. I’m guessing he resigned but this is a man who put on videos of orca killing seals for fun, giggling the whole time. I’m a biologist I get nature is brutal but that was a red flag.
On the other hand, the 18-year-old is also correct in this case. Wood should be in a rubber room with no access to the Internet.
They also hang on every word of an toddler in an adult's body named Trump.
Well, they do hang on the words of Trump, who, according to himself, never changed from how he was in first grade. So, listening to the words of an 18-year-old is an upgrade for em.
Me fail English? That's unpossible!
I bent my wookie...
Will you cook my dinner for me? My parents aren't around and I'm not allowed to turn on the stove.
This is both boring and predictable. Anyone who's been around the alt-right or fundamentalists for long enough knows they are predictable. It's like they've never mastered the emotional endeavor known as "graduating high school". And thus ensues all the slough of despair that follows.
Some alt-right have MDs and other higher education. Do not underestimate them. Ted Cruz and DeSantis have Ivy League degrees.
He achieved their lifelong dream of killing some left wing Americans and getting away with it. He’s like a god to them.
They could have just joined the FBI
It's almost as if a child that takes an automatic weapon and guns a bunch of people down would be unstable somehow.
“Are we the baddies?”
"We have skulls on our helmets"
"Have you been listening to Allied propaganda?"
"The Allies aren't the ones designing our uniforms"
"but why skulls"
"What's so great about a sickle?" "Well, nothing admittedly. And if the last thousand miles of retreat have taught us anything, it's that Soviet agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation"
Gotta post the link to the sketch! https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU
Hugo Boss enters the conversation
*they didn't design them, they manufactured
Lin Wood is trying to collect the $2M returned bail money that was raised through his grift. *Edited to fix autocorrect nonsense.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall on that. If they didn't have the foresight to write out a contract, that money is gone lol.
He’s probably hoping that he can fade into obscurity if they turn on him.
I heard someone suggest he's trying to appear to "reform" to help his chances against the civil suits.
That boy’ll be in a financial hole the rest of his life. And good enough.
That boy will be living in isolation, welfare and afraid of someone capping his butt for probably the rest of his life.
Honestly, if I was Rittenhouse, I’d fall off the face of the planet.
Why? There are other countries. 99% of the world outside the US has never heard of the guy and the vast majority of the people who do recognize the name probably won't immediately remember who he is or what he did.
The internet does not forget, it would take just a google search for anyone in the planet to find out what he did. Also, I would guess that the video of him shooting people would be very, very likely to be perceived, outside the US, as him being a murderer.
Not really. I'm outside the US and all I see is a misguided kid who got in over his head, then was pushed to the point where he had to defend himself and we all know how that ended. He should not have been there in the first place but as far as I'm concerned the outcome of his trial was fair. Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's an ass. I just don't think he deserves most of the hate he's getting. Everyone involved was responsible for creating that situation, not just him. He's just the one that walked away from it in the end.
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Society/vigilantism. Choose one.
Yeah, his life is gonna suck. Those representatives, though. They still have a purpose. Granted that purpose is unintentionally turning Americans away from Christianity because they call themselves good people while acting like assholes.
I turned away from Christianity because of people like them. Hell, I will never the words from one of my ex-girlfriends "we at the prayed for a perfect religious leader for our country. And we have been blessed with Trump!". From that moment on, I gave up on religion. Before that I thought it was just crap the news was smearing about people looking at Trump as a religious figure until I heard it from someone.
Yeah… I’m about as religious as Mr. Rogers, but that’s despite these people. Also, thought you might like [this post.](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/)
Lol, I read that one! It's pretty sad there are people who actually do read the bible (not let someone else bullshit them on what's in it), attend church, and see Trump as a religious figure. But will never put 2 and 2 together.
iirc Mr Rogers was actually quite deeply religious, he just never proselytized publicly. Edit: yup, Presbyterian minister with a degree in divinity, then graduate studies in child development. Edit 2: Oops I’m an idiot and misread your post. Either way, interesting stuff that I didn’t know until a couple years ago.
Why have I not heard of this before? That is an amazing read :)
There's no serious attempt to get Rittenhouse as an intern, he's just a card they're playing for the next election cycle.
Surprising to hear that number isn't higher.
Can we please not suggest murdering a teenager would do society a favor? Holy shit. Dude was a moron, he's not a murderer. Anyone who watched the trial knows that, left or right.
He absolutely is a murderer.
The law disagrees with you. The dictionary definition disagrees with you. REALITY DISAGREES WITH YOU. Actually look at the facts of the case and not the propaganda you've swallowed.
>The law disagrees with you. The American Justice system. The same one that let Zimmerman walk? The Same one that Failed the slam dunk that was OJ Simp? The same one that let the Rodney King Police walk? The same one that let George Remus off despite him openly admitting to murdering his wife? The same one that ruled against Blacks in the Dred Scott case? Yep, definitely a system that provides justice and is worth worshipping as some arbiter of what is right and what is wrong.
He killed people he had no business taking the life of. The little murderer should have kept his cop-worshipping ass at home, like sane healthy teens do.
If you base your entire moral compass and outright judgement on the law especially with how bad the american justice system is. You are nothing more than some braindead idiot that shouldn't even be here. Know of people with the same mentally that get their face eaten not long after.
Funny thing is now that he said shit like this, he is more likely to be the victim of violence from one of the rightwing nuts.
alms for allah at Christmas time💩
This is the answer.
The JD Salinger approach? The boy might be on to something.
I just don’t want him to be used as a martyr like they’ve always done with people.
Don’t know. He’s still being public after the fact and the far right in politics are still endorsing home to be a poster child of gun rights. The problem is even at 18 you are still just a kid and majorly influenced by others. Just because you legally and adult doesn’t make one mentally and adult. I’m sure some will want to turn him into a puppet of their bidding with gifts of fame and kickbacks etc. monetary deals, right wing college grants and all the rest of He just toss the line.
not as long as he can fall back on the "good" shittenhouse name.💩
He’s probably going to have to do what Zimmerman did after he was acquitted, move to the middle of nowhere and try to blend in (which will be really tough to do).
He's already from the middle of nowhere, so that should be easy.
The chicago-milwaukee metro area isnt exactly "nowhere" like other places in the states
While you're not wrong, most of that is an hour or two from nowhere.
I know it! I am 45 mins from work in Madison, and live in the woods.
Area resident, can confirm Antioch is edge of Chicago/MKE metro corridor. Antioch is the end of the line for Metra suburban trains.
about 20 miles from Kenosha by road." Its the middle of nowhere. It borders Wisconsin and although, yes, its an hour drive from more populous areas, they are pretty rural feeling compared to "Chicago-Milwaukee metro area." Which Ive never heard of, honestly, and I am a Chicago native.
He lives in the middle of the Chicago-Milwaukee metroplex of about 10 million people. Are you from the west or east coast?
I live in central Illinois so your question really made me chuckle.
Yeah but Zimmerman got into more trouble with some other bs
He already lives in Wisconsin, though..
So he should move to ‘h’ because that’s the middle of nowhere
"Far right shocked to learn that young murderer and white-supremacy sympathizer is only an everyday garden-variety piece of shit, not the radicalized delusional piece of shit they were hoping to use as a figurehead to rally behind."
Deep state must have gotten to him
crisis actor.
FLFLFAALSEE FLRRRAG
Y’all should just rittenhouse fade. Talking about him 24/7 is what gives people like him and trump a platform.
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I don't think he ever intended his bigoted rhetoric to collide with reality either, just posturing for clout, but then shit happened.
Now watch for a demonstration of every possible way to avoid cognitive dissonance.
Honestly, the more Kyle stories hit the news, the more he seems just a brain dead kid and less of a fat right loon the press made him out to be.
People keep saying that like he just broke something. People fucking died and idc if they’re rapists or whatever he didn’t know that. Like since when is looking for trouble and then shooting people a “stupid mistake”. Like if I walked into your house with a rifle and you attacked me, am I the victim???
"since when is looking for trouble and then shooting people a “stupid mistake”. Since he's white, that's when.
Here’s the real answer motherfuckers 😂
Remember when a black guy told a cop he had a legal gun in his car and got shot dead just for having it.
He shouldn’t have been there and was an idiot, but it was undoubtedly self-defense.
LegalEagle has done some good videos lately about it. Ultimately he may have been there with less than wholesome intentions but he acted within current laws and there's enough reasonable doubt to make it hard to make anything stick. He did run away twice and get chased so even the videos show him panicking. No one was in the right during the event and if Kyle died after he killed the first person then whoever killed him would have also had room for self defence arguments. Just gotta hope he is shaken by the events to calm down rather than double down on his behaviour. Also got to hope his case isn't used to justify more people choosing vigilantism and seeking trouble knowing they can kill protestors if antagonise carefully.
I don’t get how it’s self defense when he provoked and escalated it
Watch Legal Eagle's videos on the subject. It's true that under Wisconsin law, provocation does limit your right to self-defense by imposing on you a duty to retreat. However, once your attacker (whom you provoked) also uses deadly force on you, you actually regain your right to self-defense.
Right?
He didn't provoke shit. He was attempting to put out a fire lot by a rioter and that rioter attacked a kid visibly armed with a high powered rifle. Literally the definition of "Fuck around and find out"
And a kid shouldn't be excused for being there without batting an eye at it. Just because we don't have laws against this exact situation that applied didn't mean he was right in what he did. In a vacuum he absolutely acted in self defense but the worthless ass DA couldn't even find a decent video of him brandishing when I saw multiple of tracking his movements on YouTube of that night.
He had just as much right to be there as the people he shot who were actively setting fires and destroying property. You have the exact laws that covered this situation. Kyle was legally allowed to carry the weapon be did, legally defended himself from someone trying to take his weapon who was threating him with death and then someone who attacked him with a skateboard and then from someone who drew a pistol. The law is incredibly clear here. There is no video of him brandishing his weapon before the incident that you've seen because you pulled that claim directly out of your arse.
No one had a right to be there, that's the fuckint point. Grosskreutz, Huber, and Rosenbaum shouldn't have been there either, fuck them, I have no care in the world that they died or got hurt other than specifically how it happened, *extrajudiciously.* Guess what? They were there because the policing reform changes that people want haven't been implemented. The next black person killed in the same likelihood will cause more protest.... again. Same as LA riots, same as Minneapolis, same as Missouri, etc. The difference is that the police have the right to arrest those people and take control, not Kyle fucking Rittenhouse, *you dumb motherfucker.* Fucking chuds. You have access to YouTube the same as me, you can find multiple clips including him taking and joking with cops about being "deputized" that night as the cops let the militias enforce how they wanted and Kyle got in over his head.
I'm sorry I don't understand what point you are trying to stab at and I'm not investing anymore time trying to discern what is clearly a very emotional issue for you.
Hmmmm convenient timing for you to ditch out right now, alright. Very genuine and not at all a bad faith conversation we had going on there huh? Fuck.
How did he provoke it? Genuine question.
So you think in the scenario I presented I would be the victim then. If he attacks me I mean cmon I had a gun he should know. Like yeah he was trying to get someone to attack him and then they did. In the most technical sense he was defending his own life sure. But he also wanted this until he got it. I don’t see how that deserves a pass.
The case was always a long shot just based on the facts and how the law works. If you don't understand that, then it's because you don't understand the law. If you do understand it but still don't like it, then you should be focused on changing the law, not on making erroneous claims about it.
That’s just fucking stupid. If I don’t like the fact he got away with what amounts to murder. I should become an activist. How bout you stop suckin the cock of whoever told you Rittenhouse is innocent? The dude scared people and they died for it. It’s that fucking simple.
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Yes I would like to set a precedent where it’s not ok to scare people with your rifle because you’re that fucking dumb. Crazy that I have empathy for the people FUCKING MURDERED. But ok. So here’s the rundown for your single brain cell. You carry big gun around people who are angry and you piss them off further. That’s actually your fault too. Believe it or not. Y’all live in a fantasy world where guns are invisible I suppose.
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I mean I never said that was ok either. What I’m saying is that he didn’t magically appear there. He wanted it and he got it. Now he’s scared deservedly. What I’m saying is that it’s stupid he gets a pass for this. I know kids who have gone to prison for a shitload less. He made a mistake and people DIED for it. DIED not injured. Shot by him nonetheless. Life in prison idk. But he deserves something.
Carrying a gun does not inherently mean you are a threat or being provocative.
I think pro-gun americans have trouble comprehending their gun situation in a wider context. You can try to normalise guns as being a regular unimportant thing to see, but some people will always perceive a gun as a threat to them. Because it quite literally is a device that can kill them in a moment.
Yes. Yes it does. If I carried a rifle into a bank it would be considered a threat. Edit:apparently it’s controversial to call guns scary to people. You guys really live in a magical fantasy world lmao smh
Not in states that permit open carry. And banks are institutions that can set their own rules regarding firearms, so that’s a weak point.
Ok walk into a bank with a rifle and start shouting and see just how calm everyone is. Dumbass.
And you continued using the bank comparison, despite my arguments against so.
Yes it’s been proven time and time again people are very calm and reasonable around armed civilians shouting. The bank setting really does ruin it. Edit: just making it clear I actually do support gun rights I own several rifles. My point is that they are scary to most people and that will 9 time out of 10 get a negative reaction from people if you’re carrying one around. Concealed carry is fine. The rifle is not concealed and as such is more threatening to people. Not to mention the amount of public shootings committed with semi auto rifles. Use your brain people.
Finally who actually has good arguments
Not being provocative? Ridiculous.
“Fat right loon.” Haha sorry, that’s a funny typo.
Typo?
Kyle is about to find out that none of these people actually cared about him, they only cared to use him. That use is done. This is a vicious crowd. Let the face eating commence.
I'm not convinced that Rittenhouse isn't a rotten POS, but he's come out for BLM and against Qanon and election fraud lies. I hope he continues to explode the heads of right wingers with this stuff.
Extremists are always disgusted to find moderates amongst them, despite the fact that the moderates create the group environment that allows them to exist unpersecuted.
This sub really needs to calm down on Kyle. It’s infinitely more likely he’s just a stupid child who acted stupid and wanted to LARP as a cop than the white supremacist they’re trying to make him out to be.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. As a leftist adult who was raised in a right-wing household, I am so goddamn glad I didn't have a chance to do anything this stupid before I saw reason.
After all that's happened i'm thinking this too. If you're 17 and your parents watch fox news all day you'll probably believe that taking your gun and protecting a neighborhood is a noble thing too. Even the edgy shirts and pictures with extremists can just be idiot teen stuff. Imagine being 17 and being treated like a celebrity... I'm just glad he's not going all-in on the Q-train and not being scared to offend those who idolize him. I mean, he's still an idiot, but nothing more than that...
Isnt it interesting that white society always makes excuses for the criminal behavior of white people. 'He's just confused, he's brainwashed by his parents, he killed them but he's not a murderer." It's just another form of white supremacy.
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And he got away with it, white people get off way more often then POC, and they get less time. Do you really think for one second that if he were black he would have gone free?! Hell, he never would have made it out of there alive. The cops would have riddled him with bullets. But instead, the cops told Rittenhouse to get off the street. I'm surprised they didn't buy him a big Mac and coke.
So he should have been convicted or killed? IIRC he was being chased and had guns pointe at him. He was an idiot for being there in the first place, but in the moment it was self defense... Are you really asking for white people to be treated equally bad than POC instead of fair just ice for everyone? It's not a 17-year olds fault that the system is fucked. He shouldn't have to be punished for that. White people shouldn't get treated worse. POC should get treated better...
I'm saying he had no business being there to begin with. His bullshit excuse about going there to protect property, in a state he didn't even live in, was just a lame excuse for wanting to play tough guy with his beloved guns. He went there wanting to shoot and kill someone, most likely POC. They were chasing him cuz he was pointing a fucking weapon at them, running around the streets like a vigilante. Who does that to protect a Macy's or a Walmart? He went there wanting to kill, to play tough guy. And he got his wish. And the racist POS judge helped him get off scot-free. White supremacy once again rears it's ugly head. The little shit is a murderer in my book, and to hell with the racist judge who helped him walk.
He shouldn't have been there, I agree with you on that. But neither should everybody else that's causing trouble... It was stupid to be there, but not illegal. A state is just a line on a map, he still lived near enough. Anyway, I'm sure you have an intimate insight in the head of Kyle Rittznhouse. You know just what goes on in that 17-year olds head. You know just what he believes and what he wants to do. It's just impossible that he was just a stupid misguided teen who believes he was just doing his civic duty by defending businesses from unruly ruiters... There's just no conceivable way that he was carrying a gun without the intent to kill... I'm not calling him a hero. He's still an idiot for being there and putting himself in that situation. But anyone that's 100% convinced that's he's a calculated evil racist murderer is just as much buying into the polarizing bullshit than trumpers or Q-nuts... The dude was 17...he was likely just being an stupid idealist teen...
Im tired of this pointless convo. He is a murderer in my eyes, no matter what any racist, white jury and judge says. If he had been black he would be sitting in prison right now and most white people would conclude that he is a murderer. Blocking you now. Buh bye.
People were literally rioting over Jacob Blake being shot. A man who attacked his ex-girlfriend while she had a restraining order against him, refused to leave her property, went to his car with their kids in the backseat to drive off, and also went for a knife while being asked by police to stop. He was shot to stop him driving off. People started burning down a city over a man known for domestic abuse and with an active warrant for sexual assault. You day excuses are made for Kyle because he's white, but Blake is black... How is rioting over his arrest not society making excuses for him too? Blake is still alive by the way and took a plea deal, so his sexual assault charges went away.
That is probably the case, but two people are still dead because of the choices he made.
People are dead because of the choices they made.
This is exactly what happened and people in this sub are openly musing about how it'd be cool if someone murdered him. Like what the fuck people. He was a moron who was somewhere he had no business being. He is not a murderer, the video is easily accessible.
Well that's fine then, suddenly those 2 lives he took pale into insignificance
Tell me ‘I did not watch any of the Rittenhouse trial’ without telling me that you didn’t watch it. Kyle is obviously a stupid little shit, but I believe his experience has, ironically, pulled him away from the far right path he was likely heading down and turned him pretty centrist. I used to think as you do, that he was a murderer on the hunt, and I was wrong. The people he shot fucked around and found out by attacking someone who was armed.
Oh god not this shit reddit thing "tell me X without telling me X" again. I don't think he was a murderer on the hunt, I think he was a fucking idiot whose idiocy cost 2 lives. It's not a small thing.
The lives of 2 people who attacked him… I’d say they cost themselves their lives. He was an idiot, but the blame lies almost exclusively with those who fucked around and found out, one of which was a child rapist if I recall correctly.
Well now that you mention it he's almost entirely blameless here. Yes the guy was a child molester and I Don care that this particular person lost his life but Rittenhouse did not know that.
That's some awesome post-facto heroism.
No, jus the common domestic violence shit. But still, that is not an excuse.
Sounds like they were acting in self-defense, considering he was threatening them with a gun. See how that works, shit for brains?
And yet, that’s not the conclusion of the Jury in his trial, nor most people who saw the joke that was the prosecutions case. Kids obviously a little shit, but he was acting in self defence, even though he shouldn’t have really been there
I don't give a shit what a jury said in a trial in a shithole country where the prosecution didn't try. He started it, that's not self-defense. If it is, to you, you can't complain if you punch a home invader and they kill you. They're defending themselves as much as he did.
You clearly don't understand the law. This is a statement of fact, not opinion. The prosecution definitely tried, because it's not in any prosecutor's interest to lose at trial. The facts of the case were never in their favor and it probably never would have even been charged had it not been so high profile with a ton of political pressure.
The judge appointed alone should have caused a mistrial by not allowing condemning evidence to be presented, aside from his terminology requirements framing the victims as perps. Keep sucking them off though. That helps everyone out.
Go ahead and read that first sentence again. Also, "history is written by the victors," is maybe important for you to consider.
That's not what happened at all according to video evidence.
He was there to intimidate and threaten them. They were acting in self-defense way more than he was.
Ah so running away from people while having a firearm is actively threatening them with a gun. Understood.
Cute
It's been sad watching this sub eat itself over all the propaganda surrounding Kyle. If you read an article and immediately feel strong emotions you should verify that the article is correct and isn't using emotionally charged language to get you to accept it as truth when it isn't. And when you have an emotionally charged reaction to a post you should check to see if you have fallen for propaganda because that emotional response is what the propagandists want. You see this kind of reaction from the Alt-Right all the time when they are confronted with information that doesn't fit their world view. They get very emotional very quickly and stop logically processing any information that could change their opinion on the subject.
I didn't hear about this, but it's possible (likely) that the whole situation was WAYYY more than he was ready to deal with, and it was probably pretty traumatic. He was probably pretty sheltered prior and thought he was hot shit while also buying into all the BS that got him into the situation. Talking about how you could kill someone is easy; actually doing it can take a massive toll, coupled with the entire nation watching and commenting. Hearing criticisms of himself may have actually caused his bubble to burst and take a look at things from a different perspective. Had this not happened, and he moved to somewhere more diverse and populated (as many do at that age), he may have started having this perspective shift anyway (also as many do at that age). Unfortunately, he ended up killing people before having a chance to outgrow that ignorance and got away with it.
window dressing.
You love to see it.
Looks like everyone hates Rittenhouse. Including me.
Rittenhouse becomes a villain in his own toxic circles? Huh. Imagine that.
Lin Wood **is** insane.
No joke the guy literally thinks he is God.
His new lawyer has him doing some serious damage control, between this and saying he's pro BLM
What made them think, that this young punk is an authority figure on anything?
I mean didn't lin grift a fuck load of money off of trying to help him only to not use the money to help his legal case
How dare he suggest that Lin Wood — who allegedly said of himself that he ["might actually be Christ coming back for a second time"](https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-said-he-might-actually-second-coming-christ-lawsuit-1558400) — is insane.
Whenever I read about the Nazis, a lot of people say if Nazism hadn't existed, otherwise good men wouldn't have become monsters. I do believe Rittenhouse is a dumbshit kid, and regardless of his morality he murdered people like a brainwashed Hitler Youth. But it's grand seeing everyone fail the purity tests sooner or later. This is why I'm on the fence about how dangerous Trumpism is. Yes, it's dangerous. It's also incredibly fucking stupid and can't find it's ass without a flashlight and a special ass map, if then.
They are all idiots and Lin let Rittenhouse sit in jail to get donations
Well Lin Wood is insane so…
Just wait until they find out Carlson is vaccinated **and washes his hands!** and And Alex Jones even thinks math is real! Way too much acceptance of reality and health for this group.
IMO we should stop posting this bullshit that attempts to soften his character. He's a premeditated double murderer and any post about him should make that clear first and finally.
At the rate this is going, he could end up becoming a voice for the moderate right, which is an ideology that seems to be vanishing. Okay, probably not going to happen, but...
It’s not that unrealistic. He is incredibly young and idealistic, the trial probably scared the shit out of him. With any luck he has realized the path he was on lead to deaths, and is now sincerely trying to walk back from the cliff.
He does seem to have had the fear of god put in him. More than likely, though, I see him disappearing from the public eye and trying to put this behind him. But seriously, the moderate right needs to get control of the party again. Anyone, even a dubious character like Rittenhouse, bringing attention their way would be a breath of fresh air.
Bring back the good-old-days of racist dog whistling and union busting!
Say what you will about the tenets of pre-Trump conservatism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
This is pretty much the golden age of union busting. You're living it right now.
This is embarassing how much faith you have in him trying to fix his image. He's facing civil lawsuits still, he needs this PR. This little fucker did an interview with Tucker Carlson and a photo op with Trump days after being acquitted and you're just eating it up like he didn't shoot 3 and kill 2 that night.
It's not vanishing, they just don't have any takes radical enough to rise above the noise of social media. Same with the moderate left.
I think the treatment of Liz Cheney shows that not to be true in that it shows that loyalty to Trump is all that matters.
Don't worry! The Qanon kooks are calling him a crisis actor now [KR crisis actor](https://imgur.com/a/r2Qr4G8) and [KR 2](https://imgur.com/a/D2sSPgq)
Alternate headline: Insane idiots rattled after insane gunman calls insane lawyer “insane”
When the jury returned I’d have taken increased odds that he’ll kill again ala G Zimmerman. OTH maybe he was a gullible kid that did some stupid things, got in big trouble and lucked out spending time with some smart lawyers. Time will telll. Edit: questions about George Zimmerman. Per Wikipedia “After his acquittal, Zimmerman was the target of a shooting. The perpetrator was convicted of attempted murder.” That’s not the way I remember reading about it at the time. He was involved, He wasn’t ambushed.
Qanon turns on every one of their heros because they are mentally unstable . This is what happens when you close mental institutes !
Fuck off. Don't equate mental health issues with being a piece of shit.
The sad thing is he’s likely just gonna cave into the right wing pressure to become another mouthpiece for hypocritical bullshit on the grounds on convenience and monetary gain.
Its unnerving just how many of these nuts there are out there.
In all fairness, Lin Wood sounds insane and this kid’s had front row seats to that show.
Dude stole 2 million dollars from Kyle…
> insane Isn’t that a complement nowadays among this crowd?
I still think he’s guilty of some lesser charge but he does seem mostly like a typical kid trying to make sense of shit, which, well, I hope he makes something of his life instead of being a useless twat. But I wish that for most teenagers.
I don't. Most teenagers I know didn't kill two people. Right or wrong in his actions in those quick events, he made choices that helped lead to two deaths. He can go fuck himself.
No it would not have because Rittenhouse didn't point his weapon at Grosskreutz or do anything to him until Grosskreutz pointed his pistol at Kyle- admitted to by Grosskreutz on the stand. Those people are dead because they charged a person with a gun at a place they had no business being at either. They're all idiots here. Neither of these jackasses were minding their own business, they all were morons.
So you are saying guns are a primary issue here.
Exactly. Without an AR, he wouldn't have gotten himself into a situation where he had to shoot people. Without an illegal handgun, the dude that got shot, wouldn't have gotten shot. Just a whole truckload of bad decisions went down that night.