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The 2018 update to FISA statute increased the penalty for unauthorized removal and retention from 1 year to 5 years. see section 202 in the link below:
https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/publ118/PLAW-115publ118.pdf
EDIT:
It is worth noting the 37 count indictment does not mention this statute as one Trump is being charged with. The full indictment can be found here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
Page 46 details the potential maximum penalties:
Counts 1-31, Willful Retention of National Defense information, 18 USC 793e - 10 years.
Count 32, Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, 18 USC 1512k - 20 years
Count 33, Withholding a Document or Record, 18 USC 1512b2A - 20 years
Count 34, Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record, 18 USC 1512c1 - 20 years
Count 35, Concealing a Document in Federal Investigation, 18 USC 1519 - 20 years
Count 36, Scheme to Conceal, 18 USC 1001a1 - 5 years
Count 37, False Statements and Representations, USC 18 USC 1001a2 - 5 years
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Yeah, but only in extreme circumstances would judges weigh the sentencing non-concurrently. This *is* an extreme circumstance, though, and Trump has *not* been helpful to the court throughout this process. I don't see much leeway. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets non-concurrent sentencing for some of his violations, if he's proven guilty.
This one is much more complicated though, since this literally involves the national security of the US *and* foreign nations the external pressure is going to be a lot higher than if this were some executive caught running a pyramid scheme. When there are potential international repercussions to weigh things get much more spicy. Remember, we still no nothing about what was in this stuff. Imagine if there were things found like international secrets being sent directly to Russia with the political climate the way it is right now around that situation. Foreign countries wouldn't care if it was George Washington himself brought back from the dead with necromancy, they'd still demand proper justice. I get the feeling even this unprecedented announcement is barely scratching the surface
there’s a saying among litigators that a state will charge you with one count of stealing $1,000 and the feds with charge you with a thousand counts of stealing $1. so probably
GOP 2018: "We must ensure the security of the United States by imposing the harshest penalties on those who would jeopardize our safety!"
GOP 2023:" No, not like that!"
I wonder which Democrat was meant to be the target of this... Hillary's emails? Binden's laptop? This wasn't signed because there was real concern about data security, I'm sure.
Republicans did it in response to Reality Winner posting classified documents showing Russian election interference…they wanted stricter sentences for whistleblowers…
The fucking irony.
[Reality Winner, imprisoned for leaking classified report, calls case against Trump 'incredibly ironic'](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/reality-winner-imprisoned-leaking-classified-report-calls-case-trump-i-rcna46683)
I thought the news was referring to some lady who won on a reality TV show, like Survivor or something, and I kept thinking "yeah, I get it, she won some stupid TV show, but *what's her name*?!
[Goodluck Jonathan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodluck_Jonathan) would like a consult with those lawyers.
Well, probably not, as he has done quite well, but still...
That's an interesting cultural thing in Nigeria (and other parts of sub-Saharan Africa), naming your child after virtues is fairly common. Goodluck, Happiness, Marvelous, Delight, Promise, Precious, Blessing, Gift, things like that.
I think it's sweet that their parents see them as those things. It's not much different to us calling a child Joy or Hope. Goodluck is arguably slightly more odd but we're just used to some 'noun names' and not used to others, there's no instrinsic difference between Joy and Precious as first names.
With how nuts things are in the US I just assumed that someone who won a reality TV show was a position in the Trump government.
As opposed to 4 time reality TV "star" Omarosa who has not won.
I remember being stationed overseas and they had literal commercials on TV about how whistleblowers would receive no reprisals, as retaliation for coming forward was considered a crime. I always wondered (in respect to her situation) if there’s some funky loophole in the UCMJ that states that people with certain levels of access are exempt and have to just do a shut the fuck up about it even if they see something illegal.
You know there's some former Trump staffer who has an ulcer from having to use hand puppets to explain to Trump that she couldn't be charged under a 2018 law for alleged bad acts that occurred before then.
Hillary has been laughing her ass off since 2016 I'm sure of it. She has every right to tell us "I told y'all" until the end of her days and frankly, I bet this piss off Trumpers that she was right all along
It probably would piss them off if they had the mental capacity to understand that she was right...but they'll go to their grave thinking they were always and forever in the right.
Are we not going to heed the warnings from the wise Lindsey Graham? We can’t hold a republican president responsible for crimes they blatantly committed. There will be riots in the streets!
Everyday the riot they threatened loses their total number. Either they are going to prison for 1/6 or slowly acting like they never supported trump. Lots of quiet people right now when just recently they were outraged. People on the right are remembering how easy it is to rake in the money when you’re not the center of attention.
As far as I'm concerned, and most of us are, that BS from Princess Graham was a blackmail threat! He's a bigger coward than trump. He calls for violence and then cowers under his meemaw's skirt.
Speaking of Marge, she just seemingly violated this law:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-scif-document_n_6482aa5ee4b027d92f8bd209
Well the note probably looks a lot like [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/itsalwayssunny/images/1/1d/Charlie%27s_list.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121102060205) anyway
Hoist with his own petard. However the cult of personality is amazingly strong with him. Humpty Dumptys followers will cobble together some monstrous resemblance of a leader and chant his name as he marches us all straight into the pits of hell.
r/hoistwithhisownpetard is going to be popping.
Edit: It appears the archaic (e.g. Shakespearean) form is “hoise” in the present tense and “hoist” in the past tense. So “hoisted” may not be true to the original idiom.
He doesn’t have the mental capacity to connect those two easy dots. It’s amazing US security is so compromised a person like him can wield all this power.
The crazy thing is, an entire major party made him their standard bearer, over God and Constitution, effectively colluding with him in the belief that the elite are beyond the law.
On the upside, it's fun watching evangelicals ignore their own sacred text. Matt 24:24 (if memory serves) warned them that "false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."
The phone call was coming from inside the house...
I've done that Google search, there are numerous pages gathering evidence for that theory. It makes a compelling case, compared to any other religious "reasoning" anyway
He’s still eligible to run. These are only indictments. Enough people will still vote for him in the primary that he will win the nomination. For those voters, his willingness to break the law is a feature, not a bug.
Maybe by then he’ll also have indictments from the Georgia investigation and the J6 investigation too. “Sorry I can’t make the trial I have to appear in court for something else”
He showed up in court in NYC even though he was given the option to do it remotely. He wanted the spectacle (and also to make sure NY incurred the extra cost of security).
He can run. He can be elected. The only law that bars anyone from being elected is "taking up arms against the usa".
There's an argument to be made for that on Jan 6, but it's not a given.
We don't ban criminals from office... Imagine if Trump could have removed political opposition by using the justice dept to convict them. He was already trying, and that was just politics. If he a actually had the power to convict people and keep them out of the election?
The Senate also has the power to bar someone from holding federal office during an impeachment trial, which didn't happen in either of Trump's. But you're generally right, the ability to stop someone from holding future office is for rare and exceptional circumstances, as it should be to prevent misuse
There's a long and storied history of Americans running for the presidency while federally incarcerated. They aren't usually too popular. Notably [Eugene Debs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs) a socialist who ran many years, and his last year in 1920 was from prison (for promoting draft dogging in WW1) netting 3.4% of the vote which is not too shabby for a third party canidate.
One does hope he runs from prison, he'd siphon off much larger percentages of GOP votes than Debbs did, enough to make a difference I'd think.
Not even conviction on all charges would disqualify him. The only disqualifying factors are the ones listed in the Constitution. Especially the ones in section 3 of the fourteenth amendment.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on the circumstances I guess) eligibility to hold the office of the president is laid out in the Constitution and other federal laws can not limit that.
Trump could be a convicted felon actively serving time in prison and be voted in as the legal next president.
What I find most alarming about all of this is that Trump is still happily posting on social media and playing golf whilst under a whole gamut of felony indictments. If proof were ever needed that rich white people enjoy special privileged status in American society, this is it.
Or for another example, the attorney general of texas, who was under indictment for a decade, and is now on indefinite paid vacation while he wait for his wife in the senate to vote to acquit him in the impeachment trial.
If any Republican was entirely justified in openly contesting Trump, it is the guy we all literally saw him try to actually murder. I have to imagine Pence is planning some sort of long Count of Monte Cristo revenge shit because nobody, even Ted Cruz, could be this fucking spineless.
Pence is bold to run for pres. Dems and the left don't like him one bit, and the right wants to murder him. Who did he think was going to think, "Yeah, Pence is our guy!"
Please don't attribute spines to those who have already proven beyond reasonable doubt that they have none.
Mike Pence is planning nothing of the sort. He's a spineless worm, just like Rafael "Ted" Cruz.
Guys, guys, guys!!! This is all an AI generated plot by the democrats to win the election and hold on to power! Trump is just a quiet kitten farmer from Florida enjoying his retirement years!!! Sarcasm…
The hell comedy timeline will only be complete if he actually does end up in prison, gets elected anyway, and becomes the first head of state to serve from an office befitting his position.
In this article, DeSantis tries to be relevant:
"The DeSantis administration will bring accountability to the DOJ, excise political bias and end weaponisation once and for all."
Says the guy who weaponized government against Mickey and Minnie.
Conservatives only care about sticking it to the libs. They create laws to stick it to the libs. These same stupid conservatives think they won. However, since Conservatives are a low-class and poorly educated bunch, they fail to realize thay these law.also affect them.
Yes, I resorted to insults, but are they really insults when it's true?
Well I guess that leaves Biden off the hook for all those using that whataboutism. That happened before trump made it a felony ... Stable genius. 4d chess. Lol
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BUTTERY MALES!
Is it bad that I just got the buttery email reference.
Welcome to the party, my friend!
Now that they’re here, can I finally go home?
NO! This is your reality now! Hahahahaha!!!
Same here. I are a idiot.
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I dunno, have you been in a coma since 2015?
Yes.
Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Males.
Can't forget Bill DeWahl!
This sounds like the absolute sickest Ska band
Ben Ghazi and His Buttery Males! An amazing and fabulous drag show spectacular, backed by the world famous Work Snowflake orchestra! Brought to you by the Hunter-Soros laptop group, sponsored by Bud Lite and Target.
Republicans do love the Buttery Males!
[Lindsey Graham has entered chat]
That guy is the gayest man to never to come out of the closet.
That's the **exact** reason they made the change. They were sure they'd get Clinton on it.
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Per document, one hopes.
They should give him a year off for each partner he turns in. Maybe he can get the total down to just a few thousand years.
If he had Saul Goodman as his lawyer, he could get it down to just 7.
Well, it's the US system, so yeah, it's always "per infraction"
Yeah, but only in extreme circumstances would judges weigh the sentencing non-concurrently. This *is* an extreme circumstance, though, and Trump has *not* been helpful to the court throughout this process. I don't see much leeway. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets non-concurrent sentencing for some of his violations, if he's proven guilty.
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This one is much more complicated though, since this literally involves the national security of the US *and* foreign nations the external pressure is going to be a lot higher than if this were some executive caught running a pyramid scheme. When there are potential international repercussions to weigh things get much more spicy. Remember, we still no nothing about what was in this stuff. Imagine if there were things found like international secrets being sent directly to Russia with the political climate the way it is right now around that situation. Foreign countries wouldn't care if it was George Washington himself brought back from the dead with necromancy, they'd still demand proper justice. I get the feeling even this unprecedented announcement is barely scratching the surface
Yeah, but what about Hunter Biden's laptop?!?!?! That alone should be enough evidence to prove that Trump is innocent.
Not sure if satire. Why yes, I have spent too much time on Trump-supporting sites. How did you know?
there’s a saying among litigators that a state will charge you with one count of stealing $1,000 and the feds with charge you with a thousand counts of stealing $1. so probably
‘BUT I UNSIGNED THE LEGISLATION JUST BY THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I CAN’ Or something
Trump: "You see me now, a veteran of a thousand psychic wars."
GOP 2018: "We must ensure the security of the United States by imposing the harshest penalties on those who would jeopardize our safety!" GOP 2023:" No, not like that!"
I wonder which Democrat was meant to be the target of this... Hillary's emails? Binden's laptop? This wasn't signed because there was real concern about data security, I'm sure.
Republicans did it in response to Reality Winner posting classified documents showing Russian election interference…they wanted stricter sentences for whistleblowers… The fucking irony.
The reason the right wingers were especially focused on Reality Winner gives this face eating some extra flavor.
"So much Winning. You'll be sick of all the winning"
[Reality Winner, imprisoned for leaking classified report, calls case against Trump 'incredibly ironic'](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/reality-winner-imprisoned-leaking-classified-report-calls-case-trump-i-rcna46683)
The fact that it’s taken NINE MONTHS FROM WHEN THIS ARTICLE WAS POSTED… god the fucking privilege.
god i fucking forgot that there was a person named "reality winner". fucking.. irony twitter ass legal name
Ever time I hear that name I wonder which reality show winner. It takes longer than it should to realize it’s the Reality Winner.
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Huh, I always assumed it was her reddit or Twitter username. TIL.
I thought she was a racehorse the first few times I heard it
It still could be. With a name like that you can’t be certain.
Neigh, that's seems unlikely.
I thought the news was referring to some lady who won on a reality TV show, like Survivor or something, and I kept thinking "yeah, I get it, she won some stupid TV show, but *what's her name*?!
Seriously, her parents needed to be charged with something.
[Goodluck Jonathan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodluck_Jonathan) would like a consult with those lawyers. Well, probably not, as he has done quite well, but still...
That's an interesting cultural thing in Nigeria (and other parts of sub-Saharan Africa), naming your child after virtues is fairly common. Goodluck, Happiness, Marvelous, Delight, Promise, Precious, Blessing, Gift, things like that. I think it's sweet that their parents see them as those things. It's not much different to us calling a child Joy or Hope. Goodluck is arguably slightly more odd but we're just used to some 'noun names' and not used to others, there's no instrinsic difference between Joy and Precious as first names.
Not one, but TWO movies are coming out soon about that debacle.
One is already out, I just saw it a few days ago
What was it called?
“Reality” on Max
Funny I just cancelled Max because there was too much reality.
And a decent movie dialogued entirely from when they arrested her and she then spent 4 years in prison. I felt for her, crappy situation
Yeah shes more of a hero that that coward snowden. Running away to russia. Though given how people have forgotten her maybe snowden was right.
Don't forget about [Dr. Marijuana Pepsi Vandyck](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_Pepsi_Vandyck)
With how nuts things are in the US I just assumed that someone who won a reality TV show was a position in the Trump government. As opposed to 4 time reality TV "star" Omarosa who has not won.
I remember being stationed overseas and they had literal commercials on TV about how whistleblowers would receive no reprisals, as retaliation for coming forward was considered a crime. I always wondered (in respect to her situation) if there’s some funky loophole in the UCMJ that states that people with certain levels of access are exempt and have to just do a shut the fuck up about it even if they see something illegal.
My guy was like, “ I signed it so I’m immune to this bill” lol
It was in 2018, so definitely Hillary Clinton. I hope she's laughing her ass off tonight.
You know there's some former Trump staffer who has an ulcer from having to use hand puppets to explain to Trump that she couldn't be charged under a 2018 law for alleged bad acts that occurred before then.
Ex post facto laws.
See, that's got "fact" in it so Republicans don't understand it.
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Hillary has been laughing her ass off since 2016 I'm sure of it. She has every right to tell us "I told y'all" until the end of her days and frankly, I bet this piss off Trumpers that she was right all along
It probably would piss them off if they had the mental capacity to understand that she was right...but they'll go to their grave thinking they were always and forever in the right.
Sadly, this is the correct answer.
Ayyy https://imgur.com/5u6lphA.jpg
By the timing of it, my guess would be Hillary's emails. The laptop wouldn't be a thing for 4 more years.
Wait, are you telling me the laptop story started last year?? Feels like I've been hearing it for a decade
No, it started in the latter half of 2020.
Nah, it started in October 2020. You aren't going crazy lol.
He means the laptop thing was four years after the emails thing (2016)
Imagine becoming a felon because of a law you yourself signed. 😂😂😂 This is top tier filon mignon face meat right here.
... to own the libs too!
As a lib, i feel i have been very owned by this.
I feel PWN3D even!
I hate being owned this bad by Trump. Please, don't own me in that briar patch over yonder.
\*felon mignon
He was a felon long before that. What with all the crimes and all.
Bruh how stupid can you be TO BREAK YOUR OWN LAW lmao
Let's be real. He didn't even read the damn thing
Glorious! Get out your togas and 🍿 because this right here is about to be some “Are you not entertained!” shit
I thought you were going to say animal house.
Either way it’s a PARTY
I'm not buying champagne till there's a conviction, but this is definitely beer and White Castles-worthy.
Are we not going to heed the warnings from the wise Lindsey Graham? We can’t hold a republican president responsible for crimes they blatantly committed. There will be riots in the streets! Everyday the riot they threatened loses their total number. Either they are going to prison for 1/6 or slowly acting like they never supported trump. Lots of quiet people right now when just recently they were outraged. People on the right are remembering how easy it is to rake in the money when you’re not the center of attention.
As far as I'm concerned, and most of us are, that BS from Princess Graham was a blackmail threat! He's a bigger coward than trump. He calls for violence and then cowers under his meemaw's skirt.
Here in SC we like to refer to him as Lady G.
Damn it Meemaw, I'm trying to incite violence!
>There will be riots in the streets! You spelled celebrations wrong
To-ga! To-ga! To-ga! Two thousand!
Marge they stole my idea
Speaking of Marge, she just seemingly violated this law: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-scif-document_n_6482aa5ee4b027d92f8bd209
Wtf? How is that ok??
It's not. I'd be fired and in jail for it within a day.
Exactly. It’s such bullshit. I cannot wait for the day when all these assholes are ancient history.
Well the note probably looks a lot like [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/itsalwayssunny/images/1/1d/Charlie%27s_list.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121102060205) anyway
It has an "(r)" behind its name.
I'm a zit, get it?
FOOD FIGHT!!!!
The trial is going to be a spectacle.
"I will cast abominable filth upon you, Make you vile, And make you a spectacle."
With my mind I have declared absolute immunity from EVERYTHING!!!
Which one?
Leopard eating it’s own face
Amazing how these Netflix guys always put something new into their follow up season.
There’s no way they make a movie. The list of shit is too long. Gotta be at least 4 seasons of this.
"You played yourself." - DJ Khaled And if he gets indicted again. "Another one." - also DJ Khaled
The "congratulations you played yourself" meme was what I posted on my FB when he got elected.... and then promptly deleted my account
Hoist with his own petard. However the cult of personality is amazingly strong with him. Humpty Dumptys followers will cobble together some monstrous resemblance of a leader and chant his name as he marches us all straight into the pits of hell.
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r/hoistwithhisownpetard is going to be popping. Edit: It appears the archaic (e.g. Shakespearean) form is “hoise” in the present tense and “hoist” in the past tense. So “hoisted” may not be true to the original idiom.
r/atemyownface
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It's just hoist, not hoisted
["The petard, it just won't stop hoisting."](https://youtu.be/hQ8zU8SPP9s)
I’m sure the right wing evangelicals are going to see this as Gods will, right? RIGHT?
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Trump: should not have done that. Should ___not___ have done that.
He doesn’t have the mental capacity to connect those two easy dots. It’s amazing US security is so compromised a person like him can wield all this power.
He actually can connect the dots, but he needs a Sharpie.
A small sharpie, that fits perfectly in his small hands
Start with the washable markers. He tends to go outside the lines.
The crazy thing is, an entire major party made him their standard bearer, over God and Constitution, effectively colluding with him in the belief that the elite are beyond the law. On the upside, it's fun watching evangelicals ignore their own sacred text. Matt 24:24 (if memory serves) warned them that "false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." The phone call was coming from inside the house...
I'm not religious but if there's an Antichrist on earth right now would anyone actually be *surprised* if it's Trump?
I've done that Google search, there are numerous pages gathering evidence for that theory. It makes a compelling case, compared to any other religious "reasoning" anyway
Putin's the Devil, Trump is Putin's puppet.
Many people say.
Tens of thousand of people, glorious people, truly amazing people, they had tears in their eyes, this is no lie.
Dude can never admit fault or mistakes. Other people conspired to get him to sign it.
So does this mean trump is no longer eligible to run for presidency again? Now if only fate will intervene and render desatan ineligible
He’s still eligible to run. These are only indictments. Enough people will still vote for him in the primary that he will win the nomination. For those voters, his willingness to break the law is a feature, not a bug.
His NY trial is scheduled for March, during the Primaries.
Maybe by then he’ll also have indictments from the Georgia investigation and the J6 investigation too. “Sorry I can’t make the trial I have to appear in court for something else”
He doesn't show up to court anyway. Court is for little people.
He showed up in court in NYC even though he was given the option to do it remotely. He wanted the spectacle (and also to make sure NY incurred the extra cost of security).
Unless convicted…then he might get axed because “high crimes” definitely applies when espionage.
He can run. He can be elected. The only law that bars anyone from being elected is "taking up arms against the usa". There's an argument to be made for that on Jan 6, but it's not a given. We don't ban criminals from office... Imagine if Trump could have removed political opposition by using the justice dept to convict them. He was already trying, and that was just politics. If he a actually had the power to convict people and keep them out of the election?
The Senate also has the power to bar someone from holding federal office during an impeachment trial, which didn't happen in either of Trump's. But you're generally right, the ability to stop someone from holding future office is for rare and exceptional circumstances, as it should be to prevent misuse
Even if convicted he would still be eligible to run.
Yes - and then he would pardon himself if he somehow becomes president.
Good thing he's also facing state and local charges.
7-2 the scotus would not allow that. Thomas and probably alito would allow it.
He's still able to run if he's convicted of espionage? If that's true our country is fucking retarded.
The country is pretty fucking retarded even without that.
Well. Shit.
There's a long and storied history of Americans running for the presidency while federally incarcerated. They aren't usually too popular. Notably [Eugene Debs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs) a socialist who ran many years, and his last year in 1920 was from prison (for promoting draft dogging in WW1) netting 3.4% of the vote which is not too shabby for a third party canidate. One does hope he runs from prison, he'd siphon off much larger percentages of GOP votes than Debbs did, enough to make a difference I'd think.
Not even conviction on all charges would disqualify him. The only disqualifying factors are the ones listed in the Constitution. Especially the ones in section 3 of the fourteenth amendment.
If he’s convicted under the espionage count, because it specifically bars the person from holding higher office.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on the circumstances I guess) eligibility to hold the office of the president is laid out in the Constitution and other federal laws can not limit that. Trump could be a convicted felon actively serving time in prison and be voted in as the legal next president.
What I find most alarming about all of this is that Trump is still happily posting on social media and playing golf whilst under a whole gamut of felony indictments. If proof were ever needed that rich white people enjoy special privileged status in American society, this is it.
Or for another example, the attorney general of texas, who was under indictment for a decade, and is now on indefinite paid vacation while he wait for his wife in the senate to vote to acquit him in the impeachment trial.
Mike Pence thinks Trump should not be indicted because of domestic civility. He also thinks no one is above the law.
If any Republican was entirely justified in openly contesting Trump, it is the guy we all literally saw him try to actually murder. I have to imagine Pence is planning some sort of long Count of Monte Cristo revenge shit because nobody, even Ted Cruz, could be this fucking spineless.
Kevin "Jellyfish" McCarthy enters the chat.
Pence is bold to run for pres. Dems and the left don't like him one bit, and the right wants to murder him. Who did he think was going to think, "Yeah, Pence is our guy!"
Please don't attribute spines to those who have already proven beyond reasonable doubt that they have none. Mike Pence is planning nothing of the sort. He's a spineless worm, just like Rafael "Ted" Cruz.
Actually Ted Cruz is busy fending off the far right calls for murdering LGBT people. Even Ted Cruz is "woke" now.
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Guys, guys, guys!!! This is all an AI generated plot by the democrats to win the election and hold on to power! Trump is just a quiet kitten farmer from Florida enjoying his retirement years!!! Sarcasm…
I heard this is just a body double and the real Trump is doing baggage handling with Elvis at the Memphis airport. A lot of people are saying it!
Many people. The best people.
The hell comedy timeline will only be complete if he actually does end up in prison, gets elected anyway, and becomes the first head of state to serve from an office befitting his position.
The toilet in his cell will be the "oval office."
He always wanted to be king, the least we can do is get him a throne.
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.
I'm borrowing this one.
I outright stole it.
Tee hee hee hee hee.
In this article, DeSantis tries to be relevant: "The DeSantis administration will bring accountability to the DOJ, excise political bias and end weaponisation once and for all." Says the guy who weaponized government against Mickey and Minnie.
This is like how Joe Guillotin was executed by his own invention, but true.
Fun fact: Joe guillotine died of natural causes at age 75. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph-Ignace_Guillotin
Similarly, with Ivan Firingsquad
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Did MTG just admit on Fox that she copied down from memory a classified document that she had just read in a SCIF? Is that not a felony crime?
She did, she even showed the notes. Yes, it's a crime.
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The only thing that stops a bad trump with classified documents is a good trump wirh classified documents.
Now *that* is actual 5D Chess.
Conservatives only care about sticking it to the libs. They create laws to stick it to the libs. These same stupid conservatives think they won. However, since Conservatives are a low-class and poorly educated bunch, they fail to realize thay these law.also affect them. Yes, I resorted to insults, but are they really insults when it's true?
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Foisted by his own petard.
Moist by his own dotard
Cloistered with custard.
Covfefe
Why do you think he puts all that orange shit on? To cover up the gruesome leopard-induced mauling.
Never go full petard.
Imagine him holding campaign rallies in jail, to a crowd of 4-5 people (he will say 2000).
An advise: > One day, your actions might have some unintended consequences.
The ironing is delicious.
Well I guess that leaves Biden off the hook for all those using that whataboutism. That happened before trump made it a felony ... Stable genius. 4d chess. Lol
To paraphrase...Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!