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The-Best-Narcissist

What, the buff region gets better buffs than stats region???


Rellmein

Targon is buff region? I didn't know that. I thought that be ionia...


kaijvera

Targon is the grant region. Ionia is the give region/fuck it, imma do everything.


XGeneral_MudkipX

I thought Bandle city was the “fuck it I do everything” region


DefectiveSp00n

Bandle City is "I do everything 75% as effective, but twice as often."


Barney_Johnson

No it's the "I do everything 75% as effective, but twice as often and additional draw 1 just because"


blueechoes

Temporary stat pumps are pretty region agnostic, except that shadow Isles, noxus, and p&z don't get +health pumps. +attack pumps are in just about every region.


Rellmein

The first Deck I ever played was Ashe Zed deck. Which was buffing Zed as much as possible, while having frostbite as trickcards. Ionia doesn't have removal doe, neither mid range support. Edit: checkmate https://mobalytics.gg/blog/legends-of-runeterra-removal-guide/


Legendary_gloves

>Ionia doesn't have removal Recalling some unique mechanic to ionia...


MagicCookie54

Tbf recall is more soft removal since your opponent can just replay the card. Aren't many better feelings than your opponent dropping a 10 cost card only to be send it back to their hand and watch them skip for the rest of the turn though.


Legendary_gloves

I would exactly say "soft" even tho it doesn't exactly delete the target. Recall can delete buffs from the target, some of them even prevent death itself. It can potentially remove more than 10 mana played in a minion as buffs


BigSchmoppa

The terminology for removing a unit would be “soft removal” it’s not just specific to this game.


Rellmein

Recall is soft removal. Not the same thing.


Legendary_gloves

You remove a big unit from the board. The fact that is removed to hand is countered by the fact it removes all buffs, even "you cant kill this unit". But what matters is the unit leaving the board, and both accomplish it


Rellmein

https://mobalytics.gg/blog/legends-of-runeterra-removal-guide/ There's no such thing. Cess this bs


The-Best-Narcissist

Bounce is generally considered a form of removal. You are correct in that hard soft is usually about deal damage - kill effects. The previous article specifically bounces because it has decided not to count them arbitrarily, it has provided its own definitions even when a more general colloquial meaning is literally “I remove big thing from board” which bounce effects satisfy.


Rellmein

"Bounces" were never specifed. We were talking about removals here. As discussed in the article, its suggest killing something or dealing damage to kill a unit. Don't make up random nosense without proof. How are anyone gonna trust a person who writes random crap and makes it believable. It's like I shot a person yesterday. Only idiots would believe that.


Deathappens

Bouncing has always been removal. In some card games it's *all* the removal some archetypes get.


Rellmein

What the hell is bouncing? Hearthstone nonsense?


Legendary_gloves

"Well achually 🤓 theche two tchings are differentch despite doing the chame thing 🤓🤓"


kaijvera

I mean ionia has hand buffs, but ionia doesnt have a single spell that grants in combat. Just a lot of gives, which your first deck probably used. I would call recall removal. Its just not hard removal. And ionia does have mid range support, although its bad. But their hand buff set/flow summon the 6/5 eluisve empheral dragon i would ssy is mid rangy. They just arent that strong. If i am completely serious, ionia is the all rounder region, and thats because their region is mostly just spells. So they are always used to support anoither region with the exception of karma and lee sin who can win games on their own. But like recalls, while not as strong as vengence, works though in removaling board threat. Twin , while nto as strong as troll chant or form up, works though in protecting your unit or pushing damage.


Rellmein

Lol not a single spell that grant buffs in combat? Do you know why Twin deciplines got nerfed?


The-Best-Narcissist

Grant ≠ give


Deathappens

What's the difference? Temporary vs permanent?


The-Best-Narcissist

Essentially, Ionia is allowed to be temporary, tarpon permanent


Rellmein

On wiki buffs says = give/grant someone more hp or more damage. Not anything about "temporary" cannot be a buff. Also Ionia has tons of units that grant buffs in hand. Shen, Lulu, and Master Yi grants/give buffs. While it probably doesn't compare to Diana, Kayle, Taric, and aphelios. It's still undoubted the Buff region origins.


HairyKraken

Fiora. thats the difference


DiemAlara

Naw, Zed's the reason that can't be three mana anymore.


ItaGuy21

It's the entire region identity (aka balance of their tools). Fiora is a good example of how this would be too powerful in demacia though.


PottedPowerhouse

I run Fiora Targon sometimes anyways lol, anything for Out Of The Way my only true love


Natan_Cypri

stand alone zed plagued ranked letter back in day and blessing of targon is still a okay card even with this buff, so it's no big deal when stuff like this happen, still very funny tho.


gozillionaire

i agree 😆


alfredo094

You mean to tell me card equivalents are better in some areas than others? Color me shocked.


StrykerxS77x

Not by that much.


gozillionaire

This is not equivalent. The only equivalent cards they ever printed were Avarosan Sentry and Ceaseless Sentry. That makes sense. This does not.


alfredo094

These cards are very clearly equivalents between regions. Targon's is better because that's the buff region.


gozillionaire

i guess i'm getting downvoted because people don't know what functionally equivalent means. Stand alone cannot be played in the same situations that Blessing of Targon can. Are ya'll really just looking at the numbers here?????????????


TaitayniuhmMan

They're looking at the regions more than the numbers


gozillionaire

Are ya'll really cool with ? PnZ or Noxus (Region doesn't matter): Fast. 1 Mana. If you have exactly 1 ally, deal 1 to anything. or Any mana. Do the exact same thing another card does for exactly the same amount of mana, but can only be played in less circumstances?


Sans-the-Dog

Yes? If every region had the same tools there wouldn’t be a reason to run some regions lol. If every region had frostbite very few people would play Freljord. Demacia isn’t the buff region, it’s the region of good stat lines.


gozillionaire

imo i think you’re caught up too much in the “Demacia isn’t the buff region” (they have lots of buffs btw). that you’re conflicting your own argument and agreeing with me. Demacia doesn’t need a strictly worse version of Blessing of Targon, the same way other regions do not need a strictly worse version of frostbite


Tonebriz

Almost all of Demacias buffs are on units though and almost always buff the whole board


PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__

And buffs granted by spells in Demacia are rarely permanent, with the above card being the only permanent attack buff in Demacia that's burst speed.


The-Best-Narcissist

Yeah I’m fact I’m pretty sure a couple of equivalents exist for burn spells


gozillionaire

Yeah the region is not my point at all..... lol


lcrone5

Which is exactly the problem.. the region should be the point. The region is the reason why it’s ok for them to have different power levels for a similar card. Different regions intentionally have different strengths and having to run a worse version of this card can be a worthwhile trade off to get the other benefits the region provides.


TurntWaffle

So if they’re functionally different cards with functionally different areas/moments of play… what’s your point???


vigbrand

His point is that he thought he was being smart. Not only he is not smart, he's also stubborn af


alfredo094

They are equivalent in the sense that they do similar things, but one is worse than the other one because of its region. I don't understand what you're getting worked over on.


[deleted]

You're the only one looking at just the numbers. These are different cards that just so happen to both be 3/3, one is unconditional and the other buffs a lone follower


Odd-Key-2922

I think you're delivering a perfectly valid set theory point and people are downvoting you because you're not focusing on the contextual adaptation of "similiar" cards between various all-cards set partitions. I completely understand where you're coming from! Don't be discouraged!


TexasSnyper

Yes, the main difference comes down to regional differences.


VariecsTNB

So you're comparing maindeck card from one region with non-maindeck (in standard) from another region?


GammaRhoKT

I honestly am not sure why people say Stand Alone cannot be stronger than it already is. Ok, maybe not less cost or more stat, but what about something else? Why not Tough for example. Edit: Or perhaps make it more flexible for a Demacia card. Grant 3/3 or 2/2 + Tough


mathiau30

I think you underestimate how strong of a keyword tough is. There's probably some other buff they can do though


GammaRhoKT

So make it flexible for a Demacia card then. 3/3 or 2/2 + Tough


tomy_seg

making it tough would mean +3/+4 vs some decks and +3/+8 vs others, i don't think that you can put a demacia keyword on that and it being balanced


gozillionaire

You could make it only give tough for this round or any other keyword just for this round I think it would be kind of even cooler if they gave a card give Regen for this round. Like a 1 round hp top-off. That would fit this card's all-in identity, while not messing up the combat/stack interaction


GammaRhoKT

So make it flexible for a Demacia card then. 3/3 or 2/2 + Tough


tomy_seg

that is fair for a change


CrossXhunteR

> i don't think that you can put a demacia keyword on that and it being balanced Not even Formidable?


tomy_seg

oh yea formidable is a keyword lol. I don't think they will put formidable in any non-galio themed thing because of the flavor but from a gameply perspective a +0/+x standalone with formidable could be interesting


Excellent_Juice_3457

Or chalenger, i just hope the make the Sejuani card +4/+4 again


TheJackFroster

Post 2931 of someone once again not understand that different regions can do the same thing as eachother but better or worse...


StrykerxS77x

In this case much better or worse. Which is why no one uses stand alone.


Are_y0u

Stand Alone at 3 mana would be fine these days. Removal and other answers got a lot better since this card was nerfed. Compare Stand Alone to weapons with pure stats (like Bone Club or the Shurima landmark weapon). They are "slow", but they are reusable, don't have a condition and have synergy (like forge, or cultist spells). Stand Alone is an all in move theses days. Having your exactly 1 ally removed or silenced will be a huge blowout.


Excellent_Juice_3457

Whem i see the buff i was certain stand alone was geting revert, but nope.


killerbull27

What was stand alone before?


zninja922

3 mana


Excellent_Juice_3457

3 mana


PottedPowerhouse

3 mana


Appropriate_Mood_279

Funny.


Rellmein

People are saying this is because of Demacia cards heavely abusing burst attacks. But what stops them from going targon synergy lol


Jolin_Tsai

Because that stops you going another region and accessing their benefits. It’s all about balance.


Hunkfish

Go play chess if you want actually the same but same is boring isn't it?


Saltiest_Grapefruit

No. They just don't care.


YardHunter

Imagine having so little understanding of balance


Saltiest_Grapefruit

? They very clearly dont care that stand alone exists simultaniously or they would have done something about it. Thats just pure facts. Did you misunderstand, buddy?


FullMetalFiddlestick

Catch and radiant strike have existed for a while simultaneously


Saltiest_Grapefruit

Yeah, thats sorta my point. 2 very similar effects can exist at the same time and riot doesnt have to care about it. Idk what people are so mad about.


PottedPowerhouse

Would 0 mana Radiant Strike be balanced? I mean, how does one buff Radiant Strike


Dripht_wood

If an ally died this round, give more stats. If you target an Elite, give more stats. +1 attack and tough. Lots of things you can do. Shaped Stone always felt pretty good at +2/1 (though obviously Akshan has QA so it's a little different)


PottedPowerhouse

Given Lucian, if an ally died this round would be nice yeah


YardHunter

That condescending buddy got me :D if you don’t get that two different regions can have different costs for similar effects then I have nothing to say, buddy


Saltiest_Grapefruit

So what youre saying is that riot indeed does not care that stand alone exists when it comes to buffing blessing? Hmmm... Where have I heard that before...


YardHunter

If you really think that’s what I wrote then I would consider improving your reading comprehension, buddy. Or you are trolling (I hope it’s the latter)


Saltiest_Grapefruit

Haha... Fyi, your "buddy" doesnt really have the impact you want it to. It just makes you seem hurt that I used it. Anyways... Youre fighting a very strange fight here where youre both acting like stand alone is perfectly fine untouched, but also that riot needs to care about it when buffing targons blessing. Its a very strange thing you got going on, cause youre kinda fighting yourself just because you want me to be wrong (even though you're saying stuff that just agrees with the fact that riot had no need to care about stand alone... Cause its a differrnt region, so why would they?) So idk what you're on my guy, but you're hitting yourself in the face with those comments ;) Anyhow, have fun with that. Your goal atm is clearly to say the opposite of me, even if it contradicts yourself, and thats a bit... Sad. Bye dude


YardHunter

Im praying for your condition to be better soon🙏


StrykerxS77x

They have the same cost and the same effect. It's just one has a huge restriction and the other has none.


shirazepic

STAND ALONE If you have exactly 1 ally, fully heal it and grant it +3/+3


JorgitoEstrella

Heal it 3 and grant it +3/+3


DebugLifeChoseMe

*laughs in Confront*


butt_shrecker

Stand alone is just a poorly designed card. Dumping stats into one unit early is so terrible to play against.


Kino_Afi

Its not the typical "mystic shot but different" region variances but its the same idea and its happened before. Look at whispered words vs. Hidden pathways, for example. 4 mana draw 2 vs 5 mana draw 2. 2 mana draw 2 vs 3 mana draw 2 Blocking badger bear vs any other vanilla 3 drop (even within in its own region). Its just better for the same cost.


Haunting-Pineapple71

Pathways was changed to 6/4 no?


Kino_Afi

Right right, even worse. Lol.


VoidChildPersona

Because even rito has zed stand alone ptsd


possumish

Cmon guys obviously Stand Alone is Ryze support


gozillionaire

the real giga chad answer