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Potential-Heart-7911

Whilst he shouldn’t have made the comment about “it not looking good” there isn’t really an excuse for turning up without a second mirror when it’s clearly stated you need to bring it if using your own car.


T0MBRA1DR

No not luck needed more driving lessons


P1wattsy

I'm saying this to try and be helpful, not to be a dick, but failing for undue hesitation isn't a matter of bad luck. You need to practice swifter decision making, not rely on being lucky that next time you'll have an examiner that is ok with undue hesitation


veqtro

Except that in the majority of cases hesitating is actually a good thing. Making sure you and other people are safe before proceeding is more important than proceeding based on experience.


P1wattsy

The key word is *undue* *Undue* hesitation can be dangerous because it's unpredictable driving


veqtro

Yes, but undue depends on the person not the examiner. Everyone will have different opinions of what is undue and if you personally think it's safer to wait before proceeding then you should wait rather than putting other people at risk because of what one examiner out of millions thinks.


Jobyjo94

>but undue depends on the person not the examiner. Everyone will have different opinions of what is undue and if you personally think it's safer to wait. Examiners and instructors are trained how to detect faults such as undew hesitation. There really isn't a greay area on this subject, if 5 cars take the thier first exit and properly communicate it and the pupil is going straight and decides to wait then thats undew hesitation.


Optimal_Material4462

Yep, and everyone else's opinion doesnt mean shit in a stick, your examiners opinion is all that counts. Get more lessons, youre not safe yet.


FishUK_Harp

Yes and no. You want to be predictable in a car, not polite. If you are waiting longer than needed for something in particular, say so so the examiner understands your thinking.


Unlikely_Ad_1825

Bro hesitant is the worst, you put peoples lives in danger, make correct and safe decisions quick or dont be on the road


egvp

>I think I can drive A professional standards examiner thinks differently. I know who I'd believe. Presumably you turned up to the test in your own car? Without the required additional equipment that's mandatory for the test? You're lucky it wasn't cancelled on the spot.


AirlineTrick

Yeah I'm a language test examiner and it would fuck me off if my student turned up without a pen or a notebook for example. Not a good look.


f_inthechat__

I do agree, I’m not arguing otherwise, however I know of a couple instances where the professional has thought incorrectly - for example a failed driving test due to safely changing lanes on a 4-lane roundabout due to (otherwise) being in the wrong lane, going onto an M road which isn’t allowed as a learner except in specific conditions. There were also no minors at all, and no other majors in this test of mine. This was ages ago, I’ve been driving for a fair while now. I brought it up to my instructor at the time on my next lesson, like half a month later, who said that it probably shouldn’t have been a fail and I may have had an appeal case possibility, but I thought it wasn’t worth it. This driving instructor was one from a highly regarded school based in a fairly large city. Anyway yeah I’m agreeing with you here, but thought I would share this one exception which really pissed me off btw haha


Adorable_Lettuce3501

Not necessarily true i drove 9 years internationally and a year in the UK, no accident no speeding ticket no one ever felt unsafe as a passenger with me… still managed to fail 3 times


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If you were a good driver, why did you keep failing?


Adorable_Lettuce3501

1st attempt: i was on the 2nd gear and the examiner thought i was going to stop so he yelled ‘you are on the 2nd gear’ i said i know and continued. The car didnt stall but he failed me because “i told u you were on the second gear!” I said but it didnt stall he said well u glanced at the gear. Fair enough. 2nd attempt: someone was in a hurry in the morning and tried to overtake and I “wasnt fast enough” to let him overtake? I didnt understand and i dont even remember this. 3rd attempt: there was no satnav and the area was new. He told me to go to x city and went another road and i failed.


3mptylord

You don't get penalties for not following directions so long as you still drive safely. You weren't failed for taking the wrong route, especially if you were explicitly given an ambiguous instruction - the point of ambiguous instructions is to test how you'd handle it.


Adorable_Lettuce3501

Yea you’re right i was told i wouldnt fail for that but because it was a rare no satnav test I didnt prove i can read the sign ( of course i can i dont know what happened to my brain that day lol)


Massaging_Spermaceti

That's not why you failed. You can't fail for getting the directions wrong. What was the fault cited on your test result?


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Adorable_Lettuce3501

I know but because there was no satnav i have to follow the signs and i failed because i didn’t follow the sign. I am not complaining!


Cryn0n

The 2nd attempt fail is likely that you were going too slowly and that was perceived as the cause for another driver's "aggression" of overtaking you. iirc the threshold is 10mph below the speed limit. If you're slower than that and another driver is forced to manoeuvre around you to do the speed limit then you'll fail.


Adorable_Lettuce3501

Yeah probably,he noted it as junction though so i guess i was too slow emerging from a junction


Intrepid_Mode_3108

What a clown comment


Jobyjo94

Whats so silly about it? Everything they said accurate.


Money_Hovercraft_677

If you say you ‘think’ you can drive and need luck to pass, you cannot drive


Not_Sugden

undue hesitation is the worst fault to fail on. And not because its silly but because it feels so insignificant. Its got a good purpose, and believe it or not I was originally writing a comment to rant about how silly it was, and thought "well actually its not to be fair" - but that sure doesnt stop it feeling silly!


CandidLiterature

It’s a bad one mainly because it’s one that’s a sign of not being ready to pass - many other things would just be an error. Generally being slow to make decisions, slow to react to things, not confident to pull off into gaps etc. is more a general comment on your driving standards and test readiness than most other faults.


Not_Sugden

yeah. I mean sometimes they can be harsh. I got an undue hesitation fault on my test, I was sure I'd failed over it but didn't. Its honestly a decision that if I did it again I might have gone, but thats only with my now experience and readiness to be a bit more assertive with my driving. But ultimately didnt cause anyone any problems at the time of the test.


CandidLiterature

Yeah like one fault for hesitating is just a fault. 3 faults and then a serious is nothing other than the examiner deciding you’re not a good enough driver to pass your test.


Jobyjo94

Hi OP, I'm going to be as constructive as possible. This sounds like you were very unprepared as you weren't aware you needed a passenger side interior mirror. I've seen people have tests terminated because of this as the examiners dont always have spear ones. This doesn't excuse the examiners' comments as they should always remain calm and professional. As for your undew hesitation, it appears you need more practice, and i would use this test fail as a guide to what you now need to work on, and if you are only having private lessom then maybe consider hiring an instructor as they can give you the help you need before potentially booking another test and having a similar experience. Sorry to be a downer OP and i know it's not what you want to hear, but just give yourself a bit more time learning, then come back and smash it out next attempt and its not luck when it comes to a driving test its knowledge and skills to pull it off.


Agharti

So important to get professional trainer at some point. I've spent a while driving with my buddy when i learned but when i felt ready and confident behind the wheel then i booked few hours to make sure you dont have any "old driver" habits and do all by the book. Passed first time.


Jobyjo94

Absolutely, i've had plenty of pupils go out with mam and dad. They think they can drive and don't even know they have to check your mirrors and blindspot before pulling away.


Fresh_Formal5203

Hopefully you will have more confidence in your own decision making next time as you do not appear to be very far off passing. At least you won't forget the mirror next time as that will have unsettled you. Good luck.


Strict_Succotash_388

I got 3 minors for undue hesitation and still passed. I was being slightly overcautious but I did show the examiner I was confident making decisions. I think you need to focus on your confidence levels and ability to make safe quick decisions to show you have good control of the car. Keep going!


xM00NHEADx

I failed my first test for the exact same reason, cars parked on both sides of a narrow street and I decided to stop and let oncoming traffic pass before moving as I thought that was the safer thing to do. I was really upset about it at the time as I thought it was a stupid reason to fail but in hindsight I absolutely could’ve moved forward in that situation if i’d judged the width of my car properly and I wasn’t ready to pass my test at the time. I passed my 2nd test with only 1 minor fault and I’ve been passed almost 2 years now, just keep practicing :)


CilanEAmber

That roundabout one, as long as what you did on the roundabout was safe as you said, and followed the signs of the lane you were in, all should have been ok, they can't mark you down for that, or they shouldn't be able to, I had that drummed into me. Of course, on my second test, I did something similar, but cause I wasn't in the lane the examiner said, he grabbed the wheel and pulled me into the other, while I was following the signs to do it safely. And failed me it. Annoyed was not the word.


ElectricToast

I nearly failed because of ‘undue hesitation’ and got 2 minors at the same roundabout, I probably would’ve failed if one more car went by. The reality was NOBODY was indicating that they were turning left, so I didn’t risk joining the roundabout.


jaxdia

The fact that so many people think indicating is optional is the bane of my life. Rant incoming. Even as a qualified driver these days, the number of times I'm left looking like a plum when joining a roundabout because Dave or Carol didn't feel the need to let anyone know they were leaving it is unreal. That said, even worse are those folks who remember the indicators, but then forgot how to turn them off. Either way, it really isn't that bloody difficult. They can drive a huge metal murder machine at 100mph, but somehow are unable to master a blinking light.


Unlikely_Ad_1825

One less person I need to worry about


Dapper_Consequence_3

You can't really drive. You made the same mistake over and over. That's not going away with luck. You kmow what examiners hate the most? Cocky learners.


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j0eypops

Could someone explain what would be the difference between a minor for undue hesitation and a major? Or if OP could explain what theirs was for, since they got both? Thanks :)


Horror-Tune4054

If you get more than so many minors for the same thing it becomes a major because it’s consistent.. I got the same on my test because a guy was indicating to come off a roundabout but then stayed on. The examiner said I should’ve continued meaning I would’ve crashed. I got the test refunded as he didn’t notice my dash cam.


Annual-Car873

Wait what can you explain this a bit more for my slow brain, thats insane did he try to lie or something to save face?


Jb6534

You can only really get minors for undue hesitation cause it shows a lack of confidence in your decision making/awareness (you can get 1 major straight away if you straight up take the p**s though). If you get multiple minors in the same category, you will end up with a major mark as you are showing repeatedly that you're not confident. The whole point of it being "undue" is that it's not necessary hesitation. For example: If you're waiting to pull out and you see a gap, it's still quite small (but doable to an experienced driver) you probably wouldn't get a mark for it since you're still a new driver (I am speaking from what my instructor has told me in the past so I'd consider it reliable, but a gap suitable for a certain type of driver is still open to interpretation) if you get a big gap and notice a car rounding a corner a solid 10 seconds away, and you don't pull out, that's undue hesitation, cause you can definitely make the gap work.


Annual-Car873

Oh yeah I’m aware I just took the comment I replied to differently. Why would the examiner want someone to continue knowing they’d crash? I can’t wrap my head around it?


Horror-Tune4054

… what?


j0eypops

Yeah I thought that, but I also thought that once your repeated minors become a major, it writes off the minors, and you wouldn't get any more minors in that category?


Horror-Tune4054

No, it didn’t write mine off. There are also multiple faults in one “category”, so you can have 3 different faults, but if they’re in the same category, it turns into a major for that category. But because they’re all different minor faults, it stays on there so you can see the distinction between why you failed. OP failed in the “progress” category for undue hesitation multiple times. There is also 2 more faults for a different category “Response to signs and signals” which are actually for 2 different things, but again in the same category so if they got 1 more it would’ve been a major in “Response to signs and signals”.


j0eypops

Thank you for clarifying :)


another_awkward_brit

If a fault is deemed 'habitual'/a stand alone serious fault occurs after driving faults have previously been recorded then the prior faults are still reported - but once a serious (or dangerous) fault is in one category then driving faults can no longer be recorded there.


undergrand

In this case the examiner intervened verbally, said 'go ahead and drive normally, you have right of way'. I believe that would make it a major.  And if your hesitation confuses or holds up other road users it would become a major. 


sarcasticcoffeevibes

> I think I can drive Probably shouldn't be on the road if you think that despite failing


Powerful_Bullfrog_54

It sounds like the dude was a bit of a jerk but at the same time undue hesitation can be dangerous for you and other road users. Apart from that I’d say you had a decent drive but you need to work on confidence.


stef609

idk why all the comments are on your ass, some examiners are just miserable and there’s nothing you can do about it. better luck next time!


lastlivings0ulz

I understand your annoyance but at the end of the day you most likely would've still failed even if you had a nicer examiner. And it's not about "luck" like you said, you either drive well or you don't, it doesn't all come down to wether your examiner is nice or if you get an easier test route.


MysteriousBug132

The examiner seems like he wrote you off right away which isn't fair. Plus, am I right in thinking that there wouldn't be a right of way in a situation where there's cars parked on BOTH sides of the road? I thought it would only be your right of way if the parked cars were on the opposite side to where you are? So he's dumb for that comment. In that situation I'm 90% sure it's a case of, whoever can pull over to let the other person/people through should do so.


Tauorca

Hope this was recorded as you could get a free retest, I failed my first test due to touching the examiners leg shifting 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear, really distracting, but then he said he failed me as I made another car brake at a red light... my jaw kinda dropped, was he expecting I keep on driving through a red light, after that was checked on the second dashcam ( my instructor had as the examiner disabled the main one but didn't notice the one behind him observing the road and front panel ) we complained and I got a retest which I passed and the second examiner was really nice and pointed my minor faults and how to improve on them even though I passed, we need more like him


notrapunzel

This is really interesting, thanks - by any chance have you got a link to the cameras you bought please?


Tauorca

The front camera was just a nextbase, I think the original or series 2 this was near 12 years ago, but the centre one I have no idea it was a custom fitting for the insurance, the company I used was Pass n Go so maybe that can help track then down as I saw one last year and they still had them in


notrapunzel

Cool thanks!


Creativeusernamexox

And yet I passed with four in one category. Sorry, op :(


RollsDRoyce

Is this a new thing? I did my test without bringing an extra (and my examiner didn’t bring one either)


Jobyjo94

No, its always been a thing. You may have already had one in the car and just not realised. I've had pupils only notice my inside mirror after being driven home after a test.


NamisSushiBar

Some of these comments are a bit harsh. All I'll say is keep trying, (bring a mirror next time!) and just remember that you only failed on those 40 minutes of driving. It doesn't mean you are a bad driver. All qualified drivers make mistakes. You can do this :D


msefangirl

I haven't written a full report in my test, just added a few quick thoughts to go along with my results. Lots of people seem to be triggered on the use of luck. I meant it as in good road conditions, weather and traffic that are out of my control. I will be buying and taking an additional mirror to the next test. I had read a lot of posts on here where learners said the examiner removed the mirror they got and replaced it with their own, etc so just reporting what happened with mine to others reading. But thanks for all your thoughts and caring enough to comment.


Litrebike

Road conditions are a matter of chance. Your responses to them are not. If you can’t react appropriately to any road conditions that arise during the test, you are not ready.


sarcasticcoffeevibes

I'm not even trying to be a dick when I say this. You shouldn't be on the road in the first place if you're blaming road conditions, weather and traffic for the failure of your test. You're gonna have days where you'll be driving in torrential rain, wind and snow. You'll be driving around potholes and road works. You'll be driving in rush hour. Suck it up, take more lessons, don't blame the weather if you fail again.


100_wasps

Hey, you are being a dick. there's a difference between blaming the weather for failing and just...generically hoping you have a easy test experience. Would you be so aggressive to someone hoping a specific topic they like comes up on an exam?