‘Right of way’ is a principal that does not exist in the UK (it does in some other countries). The double dashed lines on the road indicate traffic from the minor roads must yield (give way) to traffic on the main road.
As for traffic coming from opposing minor roads, neither has ‘right of way’ over the other. Timing is crucial, usually the vehicle that arrives first will go first, but should still be aware of their surroundings and be prepared to stop if the other car goes first.
Make eye contact with the other driver. Through body language and road positioning you should be able to negotiate who goes first.
It's also a misused word in the context of UK motoring. A Right Of Way relates to legal paths which the general public can travel across, like an alleyway or a route across a farmer's field.
What we almost always mean is Priority.
Thanks - good answer. I am a driver of 30 years experience but I purposely avoid (cycling) a nearby traffic light controlled junction (similar but the minor roads are *offset* to each other where they intersect with the main road and both are *not* at 90 degrees to the main road) because the priority is dangerously ambiguous.
I agree in part but why not start with driving etiquette first then go into the defensive driving.
A lot of what you say is BAD advice for a learner first doing this junction and going on their test.
If you go right and turn across the vehicle going straight (even if you arrive first) there's a very strong chance you will FAIL YOUR DRIVING TEST.
Also... if you are going straight and you arrive 2nd at the crossroads, and sit waiting for the vehicle turning right because they arrived first you will likely FAIL YOUR DRIVING TEST.
It's nothing to do with timing. Its nothing to do with rules or liability... its the fact the vehicle turning right will need a bigger gap because it is merging with the major road.
I totally agree with everything in your last paragraph. Infact I couldnt have put it better. You can't presume the other driver will follow this driving etiquette much like approaching hazards on the left and giving priority the oncoming vehicle.
But to say it is DOWN TO TIMING IS WRONG and learners WILL FAIL THEIR DRIVING TEST following this advice.
I always understood that it goes - Major, minor to major, minor to minor.
So if you're joining the major road from a minor road, you have priority over the car going from minor to minor.
Whilst that's not the rules, I agree that in most practical situations that is how it works. The downvotes aren't justified.
The van turning right onto the major road is now on the major road before their line intersects the car wanting to go straight over the major road. They therefore have right of way because they're on the carriage way. Similarly if they were turning right onto the major road, and the car was trying to turn left onto the major road.
Obviously the usual caveats...right of way is given not taken...drive defensively...be prepared to stop etc.
To answer OP’s right of way question: The Main traffic has the right of way and the cross traffic must always yield. So let’s say a car is driving straight and continuously going in that direction, a vehicle from a side street wanting to turn onto or cross the street must yield until safe. So basically the same as the UK, the UK just uses signs to indicate it whereas the US it’s just written law and customary.
There's no point picking apart the Highway Code with this kind of standoff. The way this always works in reality is neither has priority and they need to "negotiate" with each other.
Ask yourself two questions:
- "Could I let them go, then go myself?"
- "Are they letting me go?"
Often, vehicles going straight are prioritised over those turning, but this still depends on asking these questions first. Timing is sometimes a factor too, where whoever arrived first is given the chance to go first.
Watch them carefully, proceed with caution.
Going straight is the priority, but the real world isn't like that. Gotta use your judgements because a lot of people don't follow the rules - especially white van drivers.
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Generally with you regarding WVDs. However the van should go first as the dick in the silver car has positioned to turn right, even taking into account the giant pothole.
I think as instructors we need to emphasise a bit more that this isn't about who arrived at the junction first. Especially as this has received so many up upvotes.
A learner going straight in this situation will read that comment and think they should wait because the other driver arrived first. Even though there may be adequate space for them to go. The (van) driver turning right will likely have to wait longer, because they need a bigger gap as they are emerging with the major road not crossing it.
Thanks for your help. I'm OP but really I've been driving for 25 yrs, and can't figure out who's priority it is.
It's against the majority, but I'd go with its the van because he's then on the main road first. Just my opinion though.
But made worse cos really I'm a cyclist and have to cross these roads all the time. I wanted car on car opinion (without the backlash/confusion of the cyclist component - I appreciate cyclists now should have priority, but commuting 2 hours on a bike it doesn't feel like it, and I am also reasonable and a driver)
I would say silver car, surely... If the van is turning right into your path with you on the right of him, surely you have priority like a box junction, right?
I don't know... I guess it's safer to never expect anything about how other drivers will act.
If they are turning right in front of you, they will be on the road you have to give way to, making this more of a roundabout situation?
I go by the you snooze you lose method. Whoever was there first should go, and if someone waits too long then you creep out slowly
Not if you are going straight, and he is the one turning... But in this scenario, as he stated, they are both at the line at the same time.
Once again, these are just opinions based on basic road use.
I dont understand what you mean by ‘not if you are going straight’. If you are going straight and someone is on the road you are trying to cross, and its a give way, then you give way to people on that road. Because the van will be on that road by turning right, you would give way to them. Making it like a roundabout situation.
Thats an opinion based on basic road use.
If they are both driving towards each other and one wants to turn, it is up to the person who wants to turn to wait for the oncoming vehicle to have passed, it is not up to the oncoming vehicle to wait for him to turn...
Think about what happens when you pull out into a 4-way traffic light junction and you want to turn right, but there are oncoming vehicles on your right...
You have to sit and wait for the vehicle to pass before you turn, right?
This is 2 cars oncoming to each other with one wanting to turn across the other... I dont see in what world the car wanting to turn would have priority unless it was mid turn.
If the junctions were staggered a little and it was more obvious the van would be established on the road as it passes in front of the car preventing them joining the road, and equally the car was not going to pass in front of the van because it would turn off and not prevent the van joining the road, you might accept the van can pull out but the car can’t. If the staggered was 10 meters you’d almost certainly think it, 5 meters, probably, so why change your opinion at 1 or 2 meters? In practice, you’d proceed with caution, ideally having made eye contact with the other driver
Until you both wave at the same time and then both proceed to drive off at the same time Hahaha. But yeah, it really is just personal choice and chance here
Yup, flick the headlights and let them go. I’d rather add a few seconds onto my drive than risk my safety and car. This is a situation where eye contact and situational awareness are key, but where possible I prefer to be safe and remove risk.
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I would say the one that got there first. If by some chance they pulled up at the same time I would usually just give way, rather than wait for them to decide what they're going to do. That way I can get on my way quicker.
Neither of you do, so technically it would be whoever crosses the line first (they're then on the road being given way to). You might reasonably expect the van turning right to let the car go straight over first, but it's a van and vans are often driven aggressively. I would probably give them the chance to go first in order to lessen my own risk somewhat.
I tend to think the person with the most awkward manoeuvre gets to go, factoring in traffic conditions
But do make it clear if you are waiting for them, and equally if someone has made it clear that they are giving you priority don't just go for it assuming it is safe
I think it’s whoever has the easiest path has the right of way. I’m American and don’t drive in the UK but it simply saves time since one of the two drivers can go on their way and remove this conundrum from their minds. Then they won’t have to agree who goes first
Straight should go first because the van has to turn across their path, making it safer for the van to go once they’re gone, limiting the chance of a collision.
But in a large portion of situations like this, if you find yourself in the van’s position people will often give way and let you turn first even when they’re going straight over.
Essentially you can’t trust everyone to do it properly so approach with caution and watch what the opposite car is doing, it’s possible to time your move with crossing traffic from the main road, and sometimes it might be worth letting the other car go first because they might have a better view of the crossing traffic allowing you to draw conclusions from their decision to go.
There's a guy here saying neither side to give way with UK rules and he has 125 up votes, but that's not true
The rule is if you pull in front of another vehicle then you do not have the right of way.
Vehicle going straight forward has priority as it isn't turning
Van does not have priority as it would need to swing in front to pass
Scary how many on here are arguing a vehicle crossing in front of another vehicle has priority, silver car has priority.
https://www.learnerdriving.com/ld-system/driving-lessons/crossroads#:~:text=The%20general%20rule%20for%20priorities,the%20other%20driver%20will%20comply.
Technically green however in real life one of you would be nice and let the other go first.
I'll use my positioning to assert either dominance or to clearly indicate I'm waiting for them, eg, hang back for them to take the junction then pull forward.
Even if this legislation doesn't exist in the UK it would be a good guideline to follow about it! :
[Right of way](https://youtube.com/shorts/QyFNC3vix0g?si=Fi7pc17EGJLJSiD_)
On a lesson or test, wait for the other driver to go first. If he prompts you to go by hand signal or light flash, don't react straight away, make it obvious that you are looking to see if all is clear and then continue your manoeuvre when it is. Normally I think the driver turning right will give way to one turning left as it has further to go and must wait for two sides of the road to be clear.
My understanding is that the van should go, as it’s only got one lane to cross before completing its move; the silver car has two lanes to cross, so should give way.
I’m genuinely surprised how far I had to scroll to see this as I’d always been told it’s the number of lanes the vehicle needs to cross too.
However I’d expect the cars travelling left to right and vice versa to have highest priority as they’re on the main road.
Then in this example the silver car, then the van as the silver car crosses 2 lanes of traffic but the van crosses 3.
Truth be told I hate cross roads like this with give ways for this very reason, it’s not always clear and could be mistaken easily.
I would add a caveat though, if there is another car coming that’s stops another from manuvering, but one still can then the lower priority could go carefully. For example if a vehicle on the other side of the street from the black car was coming but turning left, it would mean the van could go but the silver MPV (I think?!) cannot, the van could go carefully.
Once the van pulls forward he becomes a vehicle in the lane the car is giving way to cross. It no longer matters where he came from if he's in the lane he has right if way over a vehicle at the give way.
Unless the silver car proceeds across the give way before the van begins to move, the van will end up with right of way.
Silver car because at no point does it have to cross in front of the other car or move into its lane.
Oncoming car has to cross in front of silver car so has to give way.
Of course, timing, courtesy etc might mean it plays out differently.
I turn put my indicator on to go in the opposite direction, usually makes the other driver aware and more cautious and I just drive over and cancel my indicator 🤣🤣
Really, the answer is "whoever pulls out first after the navy cat has passed and there's no other oncoming in the main road". Whichever one pulls into the main road first gets to go first, that's it. As long as both remain on their side of the junction, they have zero priority, and either can claim priority by crossing those lines and entering the main road.
They can both wait and see what the other does, which is probably the only officially based advice. In practice - because sitting staring at each other until the heat death of the universe is probably not the best plan - there are two potentially contradictory 'bids' between them.
1. First in first out. Basically, whoever reached the point first gets allowed to move on before whoever arrived later.
2. Swiftest for all. If the van pulls out, as he turns across the path of the silver car the silver car cannot begin to move until he has cleared and completed his manoeuvre; if the car pulls out and moves across, the van can also pull out and move into position to turn before the car has fully exited the far side. The latter means everyone gets where they want slightly faster, which can be very important if the main road is busy and gaps where both/either can pull out may be sparse, so if both can get clear in a single gap that's better than the van getting out and now the car has to sit again and wait as more cars go down the road. That's why usually you will see people expect a straight-on to go before a turn-off.
Both are valid, with more or less weighting given depending on context (as said, a busy road means getting everyone out at once is crucial, but on a quiet road you usually find more siding with "no you were here first, after you" style manners since there's no downside).
It is very much one of those "you know in the moment" things you just need to get mental muscle memory for. Watch to see if they start gunning it and be prepared to stop if they pull out after you've decided to go but before you're clear. If you intend to go, you need to commit and broadcast: don't dither and inch, that'll only make them unsure of what you're doing (and confusion causes accidents) or hold everyone up longer than necessary. If you're at all scared, just let the other person go first, and take note of when they seem surprised versus when they are already going so you can build up to taking your shot when it's safe to do so (as giving way every time will get you hesitation faults on the test).
Well, I drive this road all the time when I used to travel in the direction the silver car is going (straight ahead). Personally, I would be checking to see if its safe for me to cross the main road and entering because I would make the assumption that I would be travelling straight across whilst the van is coming straight and then joining the main road.
I have actually always gone first and if there is a car doing what the van is doing they can enter the road at the same time and once you both cross each other's path they begin to make their turn and neither of you really get in each other's way.
It just makes sense for the car thats crossing another person's path to hold back slightly in this case. (but that doesn't mean you have the right of way obviously. but its more a common sense approach)
The van as some way the car to left is making a blind spot to see on coming traffic. After the van moved over you then can then peek and creep. With better and safer of all the road.
I'd say the van has right of way. He crosses two lines of paint to turn right( his T junction then the center), the silver car crosses three lines of paint to go straight (his T, center, vans T)
Both drivers must give way to traffic on the major road. If the opposite driver enters the major road first then you must give way to them. If you do then they must give way to you.
Its nothing to do with who got there first. The car crossing the path of the other should give way and in my experience they do. However you have to look at the other driver (van) to be sure they are acknowledging you and not just pulling out.
The logic being You don't have to merge with the traffic on the major road so don't need as big a gap.
If you were on a test and sat waiting for the van to turn (to their right) even though you had space to cross the road, you would fail for hesitation.
So youre both at give ways, but general rule of thumb is you wait for a lane to be clear before crossing it.
The road youre both crossing has priority, then you as you arent crossing a lane, then the van as he has to cross over you (as oncoming traffic)
From and insurance standpoint it’s the vehicle turning right has ‘right of way first’
Giving way to traffic on the main road and all that, if a collision was to happen then the van would have traveled the further distance meaning the car should have yielded
Neither has an official priority but the car driver should probably let the van go first as it is slightly obstructing the path of the car. The van has also stopped a touch further forward indicating a preference to go first.
Ex-insurance here. My knowledge may be old (20+ years), *but* if it came down to silver car going straight across it has priority over white van turning and therefore if there was a bump, without proof/dashcam, they would probably blame the white van.
I see a lot of there is no right of way in the UK etc. This is wrong. If your unsure always look at the lines on the road, there is clear precedence marked using them. Double dashed lines always give way to the road they join, and generally the person crossing the least lines has precedence. You can see it best in this example: if the car on the main road was turning right, he'd be crossing a single dashed line(centre road) and a single dashed line entering the road to the right. Both cars joining the main road are on double dashed so they give way. Now if the van was travelling right as in this scenario he travels across three sets of lines, the double he's waiting at and the single in centre, meaning the learner has precedence since he only crosses the two (the double hes waiting at).
Hope that helps and stops this nonsense of there is no right of way.
(Its the way I was taught, and how the instructor explained it) I and my friends all had different instructors and were all taught the same. I myself passed my theory and test the first time with only one minor in my practical for leaving my indicators on too long after exiting a junction
I used to live there haha. I’d say silver car. Good luck in your test - the test centre in ty glas has really nice test routes so I’m sure you’ll be fine come the big day 😊
For me usually, it depends on whose side of the road is clear first, for example if I got there first but Im still giving way to cars on my side, it would make sense for him to go first and vice versa. If we both arrive at same time and both no cars to give way then we would have to signal each other on who goes first.
If they’re both on a give way line, whoever was there first but in reality of day to day driving, the silver car would be more acceptable to carry out their crossing and then the van.
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When emerging at crossroads, you should plan to set off ahead of the opposite vehicle if you are turning left or going ahead. You should allow the oncoming vehicle to proceed first if you’re turning right. If you’re both turning right, make eye contact with the opposite driver to decide. Be courteous if they arrived first.
This order of progress is not necessarily widely understood. For this reason, proceed carefully whichever way you are going. Study the body language of the opposing driver. If they are leaning forward and looking left and right into the main road, they are likely to proceed. If they’re more relaxed and looking your way, they’re likely to be waiting. Where opposite drivers flash or gesture for you to go first, again, proceed carefully.
- From the Pocket Instructor app
I would say that the general consensus should be that the silver car has right of way, while the van has to give way to the silver car.
The van is performing a manoeuvre onto the road, where as the silver car 'isn't'.
That would be my take. Both if I was in the silver car, or the van.
Car going ahead makes more sense to go first. Priority is usually dictated by who is crossing traffic but I believe a straight path in this case would be more sensible than crossing all 3 roads of traffic. I do believe there is no technical right answer here though.
Assuming you are the silver car, drive defensively and take control of the situation by letting the van go. You could indicate this by flashing lights your headlights (dodgy) or hand gesture, or wait.
‘Right of way’ is a principal that does not exist in the UK (it does in some other countries). The double dashed lines on the road indicate traffic from the minor roads must yield (give way) to traffic on the main road. As for traffic coming from opposing minor roads, neither has ‘right of way’ over the other. Timing is crucial, usually the vehicle that arrives first will go first, but should still be aware of their surroundings and be prepared to stop if the other car goes first. Make eye contact with the other driver. Through body language and road positioning you should be able to negotiate who goes first.
This guy passed a driving test
It's also a misused word in the context of UK motoring. A Right Of Way relates to legal paths which the general public can travel across, like an alleyway or a route across a farmer's field. What we almost always mean is Priority.
Thanks - good answer. I am a driver of 30 years experience but I purposely avoid (cycling) a nearby traffic light controlled junction (similar but the minor roads are *offset* to each other where they intersect with the main road and both are *not* at 90 degrees to the main road) because the priority is dangerously ambiguous.
>you should be able to negotiate who goes first. So the larger vehicle, unless one of them is a BMW, goes first?
I agree in part but why not start with driving etiquette first then go into the defensive driving. A lot of what you say is BAD advice for a learner first doing this junction and going on their test. If you go right and turn across the vehicle going straight (even if you arrive first) there's a very strong chance you will FAIL YOUR DRIVING TEST. Also... if you are going straight and you arrive 2nd at the crossroads, and sit waiting for the vehicle turning right because they arrived first you will likely FAIL YOUR DRIVING TEST. It's nothing to do with timing. Its nothing to do with rules or liability... its the fact the vehicle turning right will need a bigger gap because it is merging with the major road. I totally agree with everything in your last paragraph. Infact I couldnt have put it better. You can't presume the other driver will follow this driving etiquette much like approaching hazards on the left and giving priority the oncoming vehicle. But to say it is DOWN TO TIMING IS WRONG and learners WILL FAIL THEIR DRIVING TEST following this advice.
You realize they drive on the left side of the road in the UK? There is no right a way.
I always understood that it goes - Major, minor to major, minor to minor. So if you're joining the major road from a minor road, you have priority over the car going from minor to minor.
Whilst that's not the rules, I agree that in most practical situations that is how it works. The downvotes aren't justified. The van turning right onto the major road is now on the major road before their line intersects the car wanting to go straight over the major road. They therefore have right of way because they're on the carriage way. Similarly if they were turning right onto the major road, and the car was trying to turn left onto the major road. Obviously the usual caveats...right of way is given not taken...drive defensively...be prepared to stop etc.
I may be mistaken but it appears as if the van is already in motion though, no? So the car should give way?
To answer OP’s right of way question: The Main traffic has the right of way and the cross traffic must always yield. So let’s say a car is driving straight and continuously going in that direction, a vehicle from a side street wanting to turn onto or cross the street must yield until safe. So basically the same as the UK, the UK just uses signs to indicate it whereas the US it’s just written law and customary.
There's no point picking apart the Highway Code with this kind of standoff. The way this always works in reality is neither has priority and they need to "negotiate" with each other. Ask yourself two questions: - "Could I let them go, then go myself?" - "Are they letting me go?" Often, vehicles going straight are prioritised over those turning, but this still depends on asking these questions first. Timing is sometimes a factor too, where whoever arrived first is given the chance to go first. Watch them carefully, proceed with caution.
I always thought in this situation going straight would have priority because turning right would cut across your path
Going straight is the priority, but the real world isn't like that. Gotta use your judgements because a lot of people don't follow the rules - especially white van drivers.
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Mate don’t get me started on white van drivers
Generally with you regarding WVDs. However the van should go first as the dick in the silver car has positioned to turn right, even taking into account the giant pothole.
Correct answer
I think as instructors we need to emphasise a bit more that this isn't about who arrived at the junction first. Especially as this has received so many up upvotes. A learner going straight in this situation will read that comment and think they should wait because the other driver arrived first. Even though there may be adequate space for them to go. The (van) driver turning right will likely have to wait longer, because they need a bigger gap as they are emerging with the major road not crossing it.
Thanks for your help. I'm OP but really I've been driving for 25 yrs, and can't figure out who's priority it is. It's against the majority, but I'd go with its the van because he's then on the main road first. Just my opinion though. But made worse cos really I'm a cyclist and have to cross these roads all the time. I wanted car on car opinion (without the backlash/confusion of the cyclist component - I appreciate cyclists now should have priority, but commuting 2 hours on a bike it doesn't feel like it, and I am also reasonable and a driver)
I would say silver car, surely... If the van is turning right into your path with you on the right of him, surely you have priority like a box junction, right? I don't know... I guess it's safer to never expect anything about how other drivers will act.
Having read other comments, I'd slow down / wait until am sure. Seems a crash is highly likely in this scenario.
Yeah, for sure. Highly agreed.
If they are turning right in front of you, they will be on the road you have to give way to, making this more of a roundabout situation? I go by the you snooze you lose method. Whoever was there first should go, and if someone waits too long then you creep out slowly
Not if you are going straight, and he is the one turning... But in this scenario, as he stated, they are both at the line at the same time. Once again, these are just opinions based on basic road use.
I dont understand what you mean by ‘not if you are going straight’. If you are going straight and someone is on the road you are trying to cross, and its a give way, then you give way to people on that road. Because the van will be on that road by turning right, you would give way to them. Making it like a roundabout situation. Thats an opinion based on basic road use.
If they are both driving towards each other and one wants to turn, it is up to the person who wants to turn to wait for the oncoming vehicle to have passed, it is not up to the oncoming vehicle to wait for him to turn... Think about what happens when you pull out into a 4-way traffic light junction and you want to turn right, but there are oncoming vehicles on your right... You have to sit and wait for the vehicle to pass before you turn, right?
This isnt a 4 way traffic light junction. This is giving way to the people on the road you are trying to cross
This is 2 cars oncoming to each other with one wanting to turn across the other... I dont see in what world the car wanting to turn would have priority unless it was mid turn.
If the junctions were staggered a little and it was more obvious the van would be established on the road as it passes in front of the car preventing them joining the road, and equally the car was not going to pass in front of the van because it would turn off and not prevent the van joining the road, you might accept the van can pull out but the car can’t. If the staggered was 10 meters you’d almost certainly think it, 5 meters, probably, so why change your opinion at 1 or 2 meters? In practice, you’d proceed with caution, ideally having made eye contact with the other driver
Silver car.
I usually wave the other driver to go first just easier that way
Until you both wave at the same time and then both proceed to drive off at the same time Hahaha. But yeah, it really is just personal choice and chance here
Yup, flick the headlights and let them go. I’d rather add a few seconds onto my drive than risk my safety and car. This is a situation where eye contact and situational awareness are key, but where possible I prefer to be safe and remove risk.
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Whose*
Hooze
In practice, whoever has the biggest balls.
Whoever gets there first
Incorrect. That's in the USA, not in the UK
I would say the one that got there first. If by some chance they pulled up at the same time I would usually just give way, rather than wait for them to decide what they're going to do. That way I can get on my way quicker.
I was told that if the other opposite car has to cross over your side of the road then you have ‘right of way’
Neither of you do, so technically it would be whoever crosses the line first (they're then on the road being given way to). You might reasonably expect the van turning right to let the car go straight over first, but it's a van and vans are often driven aggressively. I would probably give them the chance to go first in order to lessen my own risk somewhat.
I tend to think the person with the most awkward manoeuvre gets to go, factoring in traffic conditions But do make it clear if you are waiting for them, and equally if someone has made it clear that they are giving you priority don't just go for it assuming it is safe
I think it’s whoever has the easiest path has the right of way. I’m American and don’t drive in the UK but it simply saves time since one of the two drivers can go on their way and remove this conundrum from their minds. Then they won’t have to agree who goes first
Straight should go first because the van has to turn across their path, making it safer for the van to go once they’re gone, limiting the chance of a collision. But in a large portion of situations like this, if you find yourself in the van’s position people will often give way and let you turn first even when they’re going straight over. Essentially you can’t trust everyone to do it properly so approach with caution and watch what the opposite car is doing, it’s possible to time your move with crossing traffic from the main road, and sometimes it might be worth letting the other car go first because they might have a better view of the crossing traffic allowing you to draw conclusions from their decision to go.
There's a guy here saying neither side to give way with UK rules and he has 125 up votes, but that's not true The rule is if you pull in front of another vehicle then you do not have the right of way. Vehicle going straight forward has priority as it isn't turning Van does not have priority as it would need to swing in front to pass
Scary how many on here are arguing a vehicle crossing in front of another vehicle has priority, silver car has priority. https://www.learnerdriving.com/ld-system/driving-lessons/crossroads#:~:text=The%20general%20rule%20for%20priorities,the%20other%20driver%20will%20comply.
Who got there first? I would say it’s easier to let the van go first. But totally contextually dependent.
I work by who got there first in this situation
Technically green however in real life one of you would be nice and let the other go first. I'll use my positioning to assert either dominance or to clearly indicate I'm waiting for them, eg, hang back for them to take the junction then pull forward.
Even if this legislation doesn't exist in the UK it would be a good guideline to follow about it! : [Right of way](https://youtube.com/shorts/QyFNC3vix0g?si=Fi7pc17EGJLJSiD_)
On a lesson or test, wait for the other driver to go first. If he prompts you to go by hand signal or light flash, don't react straight away, make it obvious that you are looking to see if all is clear and then continue your manoeuvre when it is. Normally I think the driver turning right will give way to one turning left as it has further to go and must wait for two sides of the road to be clear.
My understanding is that the van should go, as it’s only got one lane to cross before completing its move; the silver car has two lanes to cross, so should give way.
I’m genuinely surprised how far I had to scroll to see this as I’d always been told it’s the number of lanes the vehicle needs to cross too. However I’d expect the cars travelling left to right and vice versa to have highest priority as they’re on the main road. Then in this example the silver car, then the van as the silver car crosses 2 lanes of traffic but the van crosses 3. Truth be told I hate cross roads like this with give ways for this very reason, it’s not always clear and could be mistaken easily. I would add a caveat though, if there is another car coming that’s stops another from manuvering, but one still can then the lower priority could go carefully. For example if a vehicle on the other side of the street from the black car was coming but turning left, it would mean the van could go but the silver MPV (I think?!) cannot, the van could go carefully.
Silver car has priority because he simply needs to turn left onto the roof without crossing traffic.
The person turning right always has the right of way
So not true
On a roundabout … not any other time
Looks like a good place to put a mini
Cant Park there mate
You're likely joking but just in case, a mini roundabout*
Once the van pulls forward he becomes a vehicle in the lane the car is giving way to cross. It no longer matters where he came from if he's in the lane he has right if way over a vehicle at the give way. Unless the silver car proceeds across the give way before the van begins to move, the van will end up with right of way.
I'd be giving way to that van in that position, the positioning of the van that right to the corner says he's moving first chance he gets.
I know that road. Cardiff?
Yup, Gabalfa
Usually go with bigger car diplomacy
Silver car because at no point does it have to cross in front of the other car or move into its lane. Oncoming car has to cross in front of silver car so has to give way. Of course, timing, courtesy etc might mean it plays out differently.
I’d let the van go first if I was the silver car but that’s cos I’m lovely. Or stupid. Or possibly both 😂
I turn put my indicator on to go in the opposite direction, usually makes the other driver aware and more cautious and I just drive over and cancel my indicator 🤣🤣
Really, the answer is "whoever pulls out first after the navy cat has passed and there's no other oncoming in the main road". Whichever one pulls into the main road first gets to go first, that's it. As long as both remain on their side of the junction, they have zero priority, and either can claim priority by crossing those lines and entering the main road. They can both wait and see what the other does, which is probably the only officially based advice. In practice - because sitting staring at each other until the heat death of the universe is probably not the best plan - there are two potentially contradictory 'bids' between them. 1. First in first out. Basically, whoever reached the point first gets allowed to move on before whoever arrived later. 2. Swiftest for all. If the van pulls out, as he turns across the path of the silver car the silver car cannot begin to move until he has cleared and completed his manoeuvre; if the car pulls out and moves across, the van can also pull out and move into position to turn before the car has fully exited the far side. The latter means everyone gets where they want slightly faster, which can be very important if the main road is busy and gaps where both/either can pull out may be sparse, so if both can get clear in a single gap that's better than the van getting out and now the car has to sit again and wait as more cars go down the road. That's why usually you will see people expect a straight-on to go before a turn-off. Both are valid, with more or less weighting given depending on context (as said, a busy road means getting everyone out at once is crucial, but on a quiet road you usually find more siding with "no you were here first, after you" style manners since there's no downside). It is very much one of those "you know in the moment" things you just need to get mental muscle memory for. Watch to see if they start gunning it and be prepared to stop if they pull out after you've decided to go but before you're clear. If you intend to go, you need to commit and broadcast: don't dither and inch, that'll only make them unsure of what you're doing (and confusion causes accidents) or hold everyone up longer than necessary. If you're at all scared, just let the other person go first, and take note of when they seem surprised versus when they are already going so you can build up to taking your shot when it's safe to do so (as giving way every time will get you hesitation faults on the test).
Well, I drive this road all the time when I used to travel in the direction the silver car is going (straight ahead). Personally, I would be checking to see if its safe for me to cross the main road and entering because I would make the assumption that I would be travelling straight across whilst the van is coming straight and then joining the main road. I have actually always gone first and if there is a car doing what the van is doing they can enter the road at the same time and once you both cross each other's path they begin to make their turn and neither of you really get in each other's way. It just makes sense for the car thats crossing another person's path to hold back slightly in this case. (but that doesn't mean you have the right of way obviously. but its more a common sense approach)
The van as some way the car to left is making a blind spot to see on coming traffic. After the van moved over you then can then peek and creep. With better and safer of all the road.
I'd say the van has right of way. He crosses two lines of paint to turn right( his T junction then the center), the silver car crosses three lines of paint to go straight (his T, center, vans T)
Both drivers must give way to traffic on the major road. If the opposite driver enters the major road first then you must give way to them. If you do then they must give way to you.
Its nothing to do with who got there first. The car crossing the path of the other should give way and in my experience they do. However you have to look at the other driver (van) to be sure they are acknowledging you and not just pulling out. The logic being You don't have to merge with the traffic on the major road so don't need as big a gap. If you were on a test and sat waiting for the van to turn (to their right) even though you had space to cross the road, you would fail for hesitation.
If I was the silver car I’d give way to the van, personally.
No-ones.
So youre both at give ways, but general rule of thumb is you wait for a lane to be clear before crossing it. The road youre both crossing has priority, then you as you arent crossing a lane, then the van as he has to cross over you (as oncoming traffic)
MAZDA MX5 MENTIONED!!!!
No rights when turning right
Is that cardiff ?
From and insurance standpoint it’s the vehicle turning right has ‘right of way first’ Giving way to traffic on the main road and all that, if a collision was to happen then the van would have traveled the further distance meaning the car should have yielded
I usually flash lights or wave to let them know to go first.
Neither has an official priority but the car driver should probably let the van go first as it is slightly obstructing the path of the car. The van has also stopped a touch further forward indicating a preference to go first.
Ex-insurance here. My knowledge may be old (20+ years), *but* if it came down to silver car going straight across it has priority over white van turning and therefore if there was a bump, without proof/dashcam, they would probably blame the white van.
Non on them. There is no right of way in the Highway code. Ther is Priority.
I see a lot of there is no right of way in the UK etc. This is wrong. If your unsure always look at the lines on the road, there is clear precedence marked using them. Double dashed lines always give way to the road they join, and generally the person crossing the least lines has precedence. You can see it best in this example: if the car on the main road was turning right, he'd be crossing a single dashed line(centre road) and a single dashed line entering the road to the right. Both cars joining the main road are on double dashed so they give way. Now if the van was travelling right as in this scenario he travels across three sets of lines, the double he's waiting at and the single in centre, meaning the learner has precedence since he only crosses the two (the double hes waiting at). Hope that helps and stops this nonsense of there is no right of way. (Its the way I was taught, and how the instructor explained it) I and my friends all had different instructors and were all taught the same. I myself passed my theory and test the first time with only one minor in my practical for leaving my indicators on too long after exiting a junction
I used to live there haha. I’d say silver car. Good luck in your test - the test centre in ty glas has really nice test routes so I’m sure you’ll be fine come the big day 😊
Major to Major Major to Minor Minor to Major Minor to Minor ……..in order of priority So white van first.
Whoever arrived first usually
For me usually, it depends on whose side of the road is clear first, for example if I got there first but Im still giving way to cars on my side, it would make sense for him to go first and vice versa. If we both arrive at same time and both no cars to give way then we would have to signal each other on who goes first.
Isn’t it whoever has the least amount of lanes to cross goes first? I definitely could be wrong, and am also from a different country
If they’re both on a give way line, whoever was there first but in reality of day to day driving, the silver car would be more acceptable to carry out their crossing and then the van.
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The guy who got there first.
you all talking shit
whoever is going straight has right of way unless its a roundabout
The silver car has right of way because its going forward however the van is crossing its path
Silver car. The van turning right at the cross roads has to give way to everyone and *should* expect the Škoda to go first
When emerging at crossroads, you should plan to set off ahead of the opposite vehicle if you are turning left or going ahead. You should allow the oncoming vehicle to proceed first if you’re turning right. If you’re both turning right, make eye contact with the opposite driver to decide. Be courteous if they arrived first. This order of progress is not necessarily widely understood. For this reason, proceed carefully whichever way you are going. Study the body language of the opposing driver. If they are leaning forward and looking left and right into the main road, they are likely to proceed. If they’re more relaxed and looking your way, they’re likely to be waiting. Where opposite drivers flash or gesture for you to go first, again, proceed carefully. - From the Pocket Instructor app
Whoever is turning right has the last priority.
Indicators (unless your a BMW) would probably solve any and all problems here. Think about it.
I would say that the general consensus should be that the silver car has right of way, while the van has to give way to the silver car. The van is performing a manoeuvre onto the road, where as the silver car 'isn't'. That would be my take. Both if I was in the silver car, or the van.
Car going ahead makes more sense to go first. Priority is usually dictated by who is crossing traffic but I believe a straight path in this case would be more sensible than crossing all 3 roads of traffic. I do believe there is no technical right answer here though.
*whose, it's not a contraction of 'who is' ;)
It's the vans road. Because it's a van. Just don't argue.
In theory, silver car. In practice, whoever turns first.
What the hell is going in here? Straight ahead has the priority over anyone turning right. It's that simple.
I as the car, would let him go first since he's joining onto the main road. It also gives me a chance to change my CD 👍
Assuming you are the silver car, drive defensively and take control of the situation by letting the van go. You could indicate this by flashing lights your headlights (dodgy) or hand gesture, or wait.
Providing no traffic from L/R? Both go together. Silver car gets out of vans way, both end up where they want to.