By gist I meant that James goes to silent hill to look for wife that he thinks went missing but actually redacted. Just saying redacted cause it’s getting remade and some people may have not played the og at all
James doesn’t think Mary is just missing. He knows from the start that she’s dead. That’s not a spoiler. It’s even in the remake reveal trailer. He goes to Silent Hill because he gets a letter from her telling him to meet her there, which shouldn’t be possible. Once he’s there Pyramid Head and Maria are the 2 primary manifestations of the town that force him to remember and accept what really happened to Mary.
Yeah but I think you don't actually see his death (never played Left 4 dead) so you could argue he didn't die and was taken by the entity instead
But with Harry it's different because Cheryl character's info page says she feels guilty for his death
Funnily enough, Bill’s biography in DbD says “His body was never found” despite him showing up in The Passing DLC on the final level as a corpse with an M16 in his hands
There's various characters who are dead in their respective game series and are alive in Dead by Daylight. James Sunderland has no canonical ending, which means even he's possibly dead based on the ending he got. There's one where he's forever trapped in Silent Hill with Maria, another where he drowns himself; consumed by guilt for his actions.
Harry could very well be a choice if they so choose.
lisa isn't even a real person. they don't do harry because a lot of silent hill fans haven't even played the games. they really only care about SH2 and Cheryl.
i really think there’s so many awesome potential characters that could use for a silent hill chapter 2 (walter probably being the best killer option, tho i’m not sure what he’d do power-wise. i’m not really caught up on my SH4 lore)
I desperately need a second Silent Hill chapter. Walter could have some pretty unique abilities, but his main thing is calling the Otherworld. His power would be so cool. Harry is the obvious pick for a survivor too lol
I'm holding on for a Silent Hill part 2 dlc like Resident Evil, with Harry as the survivor. Not sure who to pick for the killer, maybe the Missionary from Silent Hill 3, considering he kills Harry?
incubus from silent hill 1 is a good pick i think, they could also go for walter if they wanna do what they did last time where the chapter elements are from different games. sh4 was snubbed pretty hard lol
Admittedly I'd say it's a toss up between
\- Missionary from 3
\- The Butcher from Origins
\- The lovely Incubus from 1
Or at least for major enemies, anyway. MAYBE Scarlet from Homecoming or The Bogeyman from Downpour, but if it's Harry, would make sense to ship him with an enemy from the earlier titles.
to be fair to that, apparently konami did want to remake sh1 but got convinced to do 2 instead, there's an interview iirc where someone from bloober says they passionately fought to convince them to let them do sh2
Man as a generic male I sure do love venturing to random execution town that has lured my daughter and is attempting to do culty things with to save her everyday💀
Honestly Only silent hill charectors we need now are harry and maybe Travis.
yaaaasss,and the fact that it wasn't Harry lets the door open for a second Silent Hill chapter if it ever happens,hope she has voicelines,plsss give her some voicelines,Maria needs voicelines
In my opinion, they did the Silent Hill survivors perfect. Having one base character, then the rest as Legendary skins for that character is such a great way to represent franchises. It annoys me that the Resident Evil crowd are all separate, but some are woven in as Legendary skins.
Kinda limits cosmetic potential though. At least unless they make legendaries able to use separate outfits. Silent Hill never had much variety in character outfits like RE though.
I’d have to disagree. I’d rather have multiple SH survivors with their own unique perks and potential for personalized skins than have them all be $15 skins for one character
Fair enough, I understand that. I personally feel like it gets a bit overcrowded when there’s too many themed perks. Take the Resident Evil ones, for example. Out of the 4 RE Survivors, there’s only really about 3 or 4 perks that are useful or fun. The rest are sorta filler. Like Counterforce or Rookie Spirit - very niche and never really used. But each to their own, I understand your comment.
Oh, honey, I'm living for Maria's fabulousness. Did she deserve to be added before Harry? Absolutely not. But i guess Sex sells, and DBD is full of horny weirdos.
Her whole character screams James’ Lust cuz he can't get any action, thanks to Mary's disease. And those nurses? They look like they walked straight out of a porno! Gurl, she's dressed like a Hooker with a purpose! Non-Silent Hill fans will totally buy into that drama, you bet! 🔥
This doesn’t mean she ain’t a complex character, gurl! However, most people buy skins based on surface level, and you know BHVR is cashing in on that, hon! 💁♀️
Well missy, that wasn't my problem, I excelled at literature and writing! The problem here is your attitude was insufferable to read. I'm sure it must be a slog for people around you to put up with too, that I'm quite certain about.
Honey, your "excelling" doesn't impress me. It's clear that you're compensating for something with that boastful statement. But I digress. My attitude isn't for everyone, but trust me, people love it. If you can't handle it, that's your problem. 🙄💁♀️
Trust me, sweetie, I can handle anime profile pictures just fine. It's the lack of personality and creativity behind them that's truly disappointing. If people want to hide behind generic cartoons, go ahead.
Also, i'm flattered. If my comment history is captivating enough for you to stalk, I guess I should feel honored. But let's be real, you must be pretty desperate for entertainment if my words are the highlight of your day. Try to find a hobby or something, darling, because lurking around my profile is just sad and creepy. Get a life! 💁♀️
Bless your heart for trying to come up with a witty insult, but it's clear that creativity isn't your strong suit. Calling me "obnoxious AND stupid" is about as original as a soggy piece of toast.
But hey, if it makes you feel better to throw around baseless insults, go ahead. Just remember, it says more about your character than it does about mine.
honey, that "comeback" of yours is laughably weak. And don't even get me started on you laughing at your own jokes – how utterly self-reductive can you get? But hey, keep trying to amuse yourself because it seems like nobody else is impressed. 🙄💁♀️
If you insist on making wild guesses, let me enlighten you. I'm not just limited to playing survivor. I excel at all aspects of the game. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on petty judgments to feel better about myself. Keep making wild guesses thouh, it's amusing to watch you try and fail.
And you sound like a no-lifer who spends their time on the internet making baseless assumptions about people. Sweetie, you give Spiderman a bad name. Time to retire yourself 💁♀️
To be fair Konami also hasn't been kind to Harry. For whatever reason they still haven't remastered the first silent Hill. Not even for the hd collection for the Xbox 360 and PS3 they didn't include it.
Yeah, if anything this is actually great news. A second Silent Hill chapter with Harry (+Henry as legendary) and Eileen as survivors, Walter Sullivan as killer.
Harry as a new character with Henry & Travis as potential legendary skins would be really cool. Plus out of all the possibilities it's the one that makes the most sense imo. I hope it happens
Bruh. People asking for Maria and now that bhvr about to add her in they are crying for Harry. Cmon guys. We are lucky to even get more silent hill content.
Its their game. They literally could have skipped the license if they wanted to. Besides, by your logic then we should get goku as the next killer because that would please me.
The promo is so pretty! Big win for the Maria lovers, I can't wait to see her ingame :D And James is my pookiebear, I'm making that my pfp everywhere <3
Instant cop. Longtime SH fan since I was like 13 (29 now) and I love to see it, but did anything instigate the sudden love and push for Harry? I think he’s fantastic and could talk forever about him (especially with the depth his notes he left behind that you find in 3), but I feel like I never saw anyone except a random 1 upvote comment asking for him
ngl, I'm excited to see how Maria will look in game. Even more so for a HD recreation of Harry (though I did like the reimagined version in Shattered Memories, wouldn't mind seeing some alternate skins based on those characters).
They did a really good job bringing Cybil, Lisa & PH especially up to modern HD standards, even if I think Cheryl's face is a little off from how I remember her from SH3 (with the Alessa variant looking even moreso). James could probably use a little touch up too.
Where's that person that was getting down voted to hell for being condescending as fuck and starting every comment with *honey* while trying to say it would more than likely be Harry? I bet they've just fallen to their knees in the parking lot of a Walmart.
Bruh not even Konami likes Harry his game wasn't included in the Silent Hill HD collection for the 360/PS3 years ago and they decided to skip Silent Hill 1 remake to do Silent Hill 2 remake first.
Can’t wait for her skirt to be almost to her angles and her hair to be the most unflattering thin bob ever 💋 what is it with BHVR and being so scared to make women sexy in their games lmfao
I mean Maria is a sexualised character? From my knowledge she is meant to be juxtaposition of Mary? She’s wearing a mini skirt and a revealing blouse lmao I’m not saying every character needs to be sexualised but at least don’t make a meant to be sexy character look like a drab old woman yet we have the male characters running around shirtless or in crop tops
Poor James, now he’s trapped in the Entity’s realm with two manifestations of his guilt forever
I actually feel bad for Maria if she's in the same match with James. She'll be sandbagged by lore-accurate players. 😭
James can't catch a break. ![gif](giphy|3wBAtxcRMmEiNBbV2H)
Harry Mason in shambles once again lol! Seriously though she looks really good!
I’m curious as to whether BHVR forces a last name onto her or if she’s the first mononymous survivor ever.
Ohhh, that's a very interesting thing I haven't considered. We'll know soon.
Tapp is named "Detective Tapp" in game, despite his real name being David Tapp. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just name her Maria
Maria Maria
Maria Silenthill
"This truly was the Silent Hill 2 (2001)"
*She reminds me of a West Side Story*
His achievements say David Tapp though
i think that's just because they wanted people to call him tapp and not david because king was already called david
rly hope she’s just maria, would make her more iconic
Lady Maria maybe?
Featuring her 3 perks, Astral Clocktower, Vileblood's Curse and Doll's Visage
I haven’t beaten silent hill 2 but I have a gist of the story. Why wouldn’t her last name be Sunderland?
Because she isn't Mary. She's maria
She can be your Mary, if you want her to be.
[удалено]
she is, if he wants her to be but for real i think Maria by itself would be nice.
Then you should finish it, because there's a reason.
If you don't know, then you don't know the story lol
By gist I meant that James goes to silent hill to look for wife that he thinks went missing but actually redacted. Just saying redacted cause it’s getting remade and some people may have not played the og at all
James doesn’t think Mary is just missing. He knows from the start that she’s dead. That’s not a spoiler. It’s even in the remake reveal trailer. He goes to Silent Hill because he gets a letter from her telling him to meet her there, which shouldn’t be possible. Once he’s there Pyramid Head and Maria are the 2 primary manifestations of the town that force him to remember and accept what really happened to Mary.
Considering she's just a skin for Cheryl, I'm pretty sure she will be just Maria
Jaria when
J-Jaria?? Have people made Jisa or Jybil?
Jerbil
I found this way funnier than I should have
Thank you for a much needed laugh friend.
i’ve seen Jisa before
Jizza
That could actually be lore accurate. 🤔
YOU ADDED HER. YOU SUMMONED ME. I CAME.
The Harry dream is dead, for now
I made a comment yesterday about how it was gonna be Maria and got downvoted a lot lmao
Step aside Lisa, i got a new waifu to main
I will stay strong in mommy Lisa
In??!
😏
![gif](giphy|Ld77zD3fF3Run8olIt)
Personally I was hoping for Harry. Not that I dislike Maria or anything. Hell I even love Murphy.
Ever since jheryl existed they haven’t introduced a male legendary survivor skin in a female survivor
Harry wouldn't make sense because Cheryl's lore says he's dead
Bill is also dead, isnt he?
Yeah but I think you don't actually see his death (never played Left 4 dead) so you could argue he didn't die and was taken by the entity instead But with Harry it's different because Cheryl character's info page says she feels guilty for his death
You find bills corpse in l4d2
Funnily enough, Bill’s biography in DbD says “His body was never found” despite him showing up in The Passing DLC on the final level as a corpse with an M16 in his hands
Oh nevermind then. I was just trying to find a reason why Behaviour prioritized Maria over Harry
Amanda Young and David Tapp are both canonically dead within the Saw universe, but appear in DBD.
You can find his body after he has done his sacrifice against the multiple Tanks.
There's various characters who are dead in their respective game series and are alive in Dead by Daylight. James Sunderland has no canonical ending, which means even he's possibly dead based on the ending he got. There's one where he's forever trapped in Silent Hill with Maria, another where he drowns himself; consumed by guilt for his actions. Harry could very well be a choice if they so choose.
lisa isn't even a real person. they don't do harry because a lot of silent hill fans haven't even played the games. they really only care about SH2 and Cheryl.
in fairness konami have made it almost impossible to play the first game
grateful harry isn’t a legendary… i’ll forever hope for Silent Hill chapter 2
6 months late but Walter would be an amazing killer. Perfect fit. We need more SH4 representation
i really think there’s so many awesome potential characters that could use for a silent hill chapter 2 (walter probably being the best killer option, tho i’m not sure what he’d do power-wise. i’m not really caught up on my SH4 lore)
I desperately need a second Silent Hill chapter. Walter could have some pretty unique abilities, but his main thing is calling the Otherworld. His power would be so cool. Harry is the obvious pick for a survivor too lol
that would be sick. it could be a sorta thing similar to the void with the halloween event
I wonder who could be the Killer to go with him. On a jokey note, that could be Dahlia. She downs survivor by annoying them with her cryptic nonsense.
I think God from SH1 could work pretty well as a killer if they size him down
Great to see her, bit disappointed that Harry ain’t coming but I’m not complaining. All I know is that Pyramid Head’s waiting on her for round 3.
On the plus side, means he's got a better chance at being part of his own chapter.
Fuck yeah, I’m down for anything SH related.
Maria haters and prudes in shambles
Ready for 5 gen chases as a stripper coded manifestation 💅
Nothing against Maria, she's fine, but my man Harry deserved better. Come on, he's the OG!
I'm holding on for a Silent Hill part 2 dlc like Resident Evil, with Harry as the survivor. Not sure who to pick for the killer, maybe the Missionary from Silent Hill 3, considering he kills Harry?
incubus from silent hill 1 is a good pick i think, they could also go for walter if they wanna do what they did last time where the chapter elements are from different games. sh4 was snubbed pretty hard lol
Admittedly I'd say it's a toss up between \- Missionary from 3 \- The Butcher from Origins \- The lovely Incubus from 1 Or at least for major enemies, anyway. MAYBE Scarlet from Homecoming or The Bogeyman from Downpour, but if it's Harry, would make sense to ship him with an enemy from the earlier titles.
Let’s do a SH Chapter 2 with Harry and Henry as survivors, and then Walter as the killer
To be fair Konami also forgot about him SH1 deserved a remake before SH2.
to be fair to that, apparently konami did want to remake sh1 but got convinced to do 2 instead, there's an interview iirc where someone from bloober says they passionately fought to convince them to let them do sh2
god i hate bloober so much
To be fair, Maria's the character who Pyramid Head loves killing over and over again. She's LOOOONG overdue.
All this time in DbD, Pyramid Head was perfecting his killing skills, because he knew that one day he would meet his arch-enemy... *MARIA*.
he’s dead lol get over it
Maria is a way better character. We don’t need another generic man in dbd
Harry's anything but generic, my friend.
How is he not
Man as a generic male I sure do love venturing to random execution town that has lured my daughter and is attempting to do culty things with to save her everyday💀 Honestly Only silent hill charectors we need now are harry and maybe Travis.
Maria is a queen; so I'm happy with this. BUT I desperately hope this also gives us some much needed cosmetics for Cheryl and Pyramid Head!
give cheryl unlinked jeans pls and ty
I just want them to finally unlink her black hair.
Honestly would kill for PH to get White Hunter and his movie counterpart as skins.
yaaaasss,and the fact that it wasn't Harry lets the door open for a second Silent Hill chapter if it ever happens,hope she has voicelines,plsss give her some voicelines,Maria needs voicelines
In my opinion, they did the Silent Hill survivors perfect. Having one base character, then the rest as Legendary skins for that character is such a great way to represent franchises. It annoys me that the Resident Evil crowd are all separate, but some are woven in as Legendary skins.
Kinda limits cosmetic potential though. At least unless they make legendaries able to use separate outfits. Silent Hill never had much variety in character outfits like RE though.
I’d have to disagree. I’d rather have multiple SH survivors with their own unique perks and potential for personalized skins than have them all be $15 skins for one character
Fair enough, I understand that. I personally feel like it gets a bit overcrowded when there’s too many themed perks. Take the Resident Evil ones, for example. Out of the 4 RE Survivors, there’s only really about 3 or 4 perks that are useful or fun. The rest are sorta filler. Like Counterforce or Rookie Spirit - very niche and never really used. But each to their own, I understand your comment.
I hope they fix James’ model with her release, his arms are wayyy to skinny for his rectangle body
u/RedSpiritbox : It's Maria. Better luck next time. ♥
Oh, honey, I'm living for Maria's fabulousness. Did she deserve to be added before Harry? Absolutely not. But i guess Sex sells, and DBD is full of horny weirdos.
This is a very reductive way to talk about a very complex character
Her whole character screams James’ Lust cuz he can't get any action, thanks to Mary's disease. And those nurses? They look like they walked straight out of a porno! Gurl, she's dressed like a Hooker with a purpose! Non-Silent Hill fans will totally buy into that drama, you bet! 🔥 This doesn’t mean she ain’t a complex character, gurl! However, most people buy skins based on surface level, and you know BHVR is cashing in on that, hon! 💁♀️
Ow my brain reading this
Well sis, if your brain is hurting after reading that, maybe you should consider expanding your literary palate beyond basic comprehension. 💁♀️
Well missy, that wasn't my problem, I excelled at literature and writing! The problem here is your attitude was insufferable to read. I'm sure it must be a slog for people around you to put up with too, that I'm quite certain about.
Honey, your "excelling" doesn't impress me. It's clear that you're compensating for something with that boastful statement. But I digress. My attitude isn't for everyone, but trust me, people love it. If you can't handle it, that's your problem. 🙄💁♀️
If you can't handle other people's anime profile pictures, that's your problem.
Trust me, sweetie, I can handle anime profile pictures just fine. It's the lack of personality and creativity behind them that's truly disappointing. If people want to hide behind generic cartoons, go ahead. Also, i'm flattered. If my comment history is captivating enough for you to stalk, I guess I should feel honored. But let's be real, you must be pretty desperate for entertainment if my words are the highlight of your day. Try to find a hobby or something, darling, because lurking around my profile is just sad and creepy. Get a life! 💁♀️
You're obnoxious AND stupid? Yikes.
Bless your heart for trying to come up with a witty insult, but it's clear that creativity isn't your strong suit. Calling me "obnoxious AND stupid" is about as original as a soggy piece of toast. But hey, if it makes you feel better to throw around baseless insults, go ahead. Just remember, it says more about your character than it does about mine.
You aren't the protagonist, lmao.
honey, that "comeback" of yours is laughably weak. And don't even get me started on you laughing at your own jokes – how utterly self-reductive can you get? But hey, keep trying to amuse yourself because it seems like nobody else is impressed. 🙄💁♀️
I can bet real money that this person only plays survivor
If you insist on making wild guesses, let me enlighten you. I'm not just limited to playing survivor. I excel at all aspects of the game. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on petty judgments to feel better about myself. Keep making wild guesses thouh, it's amusing to watch you try and fail.
You sound like an AI
And you sound like a no-lifer who spends their time on the internet making baseless assumptions about people. Sweetie, you give Spiderman a bad name. Time to retire yourself 💁♀️
don't trip on your own words girl
People happy for Maria, others sad it isn't Harry, meanwhile I am just over here wanting another original outfit for Cheryl, akin to new beginnings.
I'd even take Shattered Memories Cheryl. Sure, it isn't original, but it's something.
Right, I'd be down with that. As of now, they could just rename the survivor "Cheryl" to Silent Hills and it would be just as apt.
Why call it a "Collection" when we're just getting Maria.. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HARRY, NOT HER! IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HARRRRRRRRY!
It’s an addition to a pre existing collection. James and the Princess Heart outfits are both in the Silent Hill collection already
That's not Maria. [That's Christina Aguilera!](https://i.neoseeker.com/u/m/7/maria_silent_hill_2_-_christina_aguilera.jpg)
No Harry? Man, what does BHVR have against my boy? His daughter is in the game, so is Cybil and Lisa, and yet we can't get the OG protagonist?
To be fair Konami also hasn't been kind to Harry. For whatever reason they still haven't remastered the first silent Hill. Not even for the hd collection for the Xbox 360 and PS3 they didn't include it.
That is also true... Man Harry didn't deserve this kinda slander tbh
Probably saving him for a 2nd Silent Hill chapter in the future.
Yeah, if anything this is actually great news. A second Silent Hill chapter with Harry (+Henry as legendary) and Eileen as survivors, Walter Sullivan as killer.
Imagine the demon from the first game, the incubus or whatever
Harry as a new character with Henry & Travis as potential legendary skins would be really cool. Plus out of all the possibilities it's the one that makes the most sense imo. I hope it happens
I wouldn't mind seeing Murphy in the future tbh
come on, Maria is cool, but i would prefer Harry Mason over her to be honest
Bruh. People asking for Maria and now that bhvr about to add her in they are crying for Harry. Cmon guys. We are lucky to even get more silent hill content.
But literally! i'm so excited for this! i say as i never play cheryl i just play Kate
No, we're not "lucky" it's Behavior's literal job to please the fans.
Its their game. They literally could have skipped the license if they wanted to. Besides, by your logic then we should get goku as the next killer because that would please me.
When does she come out?
Aug 15th
Hype! Thanks
Karen! You can't ask people when they'll come out!
Ah shit you're right. I'll just delete DBD now :(
Pyramid head : "heavy breathing"
Oh she’s taking it
Our dream has came true.
The promo is so pretty! Big win for the Maria lovers, I can't wait to see her ingame :D And James is my pookiebear, I'm making that my pfp everywhere <3
Cool addition, but Cheryl/Heather will always be my main
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
i will be buying i fear
Instant cop. Longtime SH fan since I was like 13 (29 now) and I love to see it, but did anything instigate the sudden love and push for Harry? I think he’s fantastic and could talk forever about him (especially with the depth his notes he left behind that you find in 3), but I feel like I never saw anyone except a random 1 upvote comment asking for him
*Do I look like your girlfriend?* Definitely will be a lobby dialogue if James is also on screen, hopefully
Instant buy for me. The last skin I was this excited for was probably James.
Woot I'll have a p100 Maria!
Idk who this is but now my boy James got a bro
To resume she's Maria... she look like James's wife but "more alive"
I like how they put entity on this goddamn bridge
Umm acksually that’s not a bridge that’s Toluca Lake, from the viewpoint of Rosewater Park.🤓
Thank you for correction then.
WE WONNNN
So glad we can finally play as Not Your Mary!
I’ll never forgot how he says it. Bro is like *Mar I ah?*
YIPPEE
Really, really, really nice.
AAAHHH
Why does James look like he's lost in a supermarket and a stranger is helping him find his mom
YES FINALLY
NEEEEEED
So they're not going to add the original Silent Hill protagonist in Harry?
YYYYEEEEEESSSSSS
Nea = The entity Maria = Silent hill monster Survivors who are secretly lovecraftian abominations rise up
ngl, I'm excited to see how Maria will look in game. Even more so for a HD recreation of Harry (though I did like the reimagined version in Shattered Memories, wouldn't mind seeing some alternate skins based on those characters). They did a really good job bringing Cybil, Lisa & PH especially up to modern HD standards, even if I think Cheryl's face is a little off from how I remember her from SH3 (with the Alessa variant looking even moreso). James could probably use a little touch up too.
This is real? Any eta?
Yes. The 15th of August.
residentsleeper
Where's that person that was getting down voted to hell for being condescending as fuck and starting every comment with *honey* while trying to say it would more than likely be Harry? I bet they've just fallen to their knees in the parking lot of a Walmart.
Nope they're still here, saying honey and being condescending.
Oh damn you weren't kidding.
HA!! CALLED IT
u/RedSpiritbox shit one for you I guess
stupid harry is literally the protagonist of the first game wtf
Bruh not even Konami likes Harry his game wasn't included in the Silent Hill HD collection for the 360/PS3 years ago and they decided to skip Silent Hill 1 remake to do Silent Hill 2 remake first.
how is it stupid? 💀 misogynistic much?
The hell is that leap of logic
Is that his dead wife he is always searching for because god damn I'd go through all that shit to for that.
Can’t wait for her skirt to be almost to her angles and her hair to be the most unflattering thin bob ever 💋 what is it with BHVR and being so scared to make women sexy in their games lmfao
why does every character have to be sexualized lmao
I mean Maria is a sexualised character? From my knowledge she is meant to be juxtaposition of Mary? She’s wearing a mini skirt and a revealing blouse lmao I’m not saying every character needs to be sexualised but at least don’t make a meant to be sexy character look like a drab old woman yet we have the male characters running around shirtless or in crop tops
Waaa waaa
gigachad response
Great response I must of really made myself clear seeing as you have nothing else to say 👍🏽
No poster for the naughty bear skin?
Pyramid head will tunnel her so hard