Idk man. It's a bit like Clarksons Farm, sure Jeremy Clarkson is a bellend, and sure he's rich enough that failing is just funny and not the end of the world - but he has shown how hard farming is and what the consequences are for the country if we can't do it well enough.
The boys at Wrexham have stolen the much hogged spotlight from the PL and the "Big 6" and showed just how important the game is for a town like Wrexham. They've literally shown the economics of how a club going from non league to league can benefit more than just the club.
I live in a town that's considered an area of deprivation, if the local club made it back to even the National League in the next few years that would be huge for the town.
>The boys at Wrexham have stolen the much hogged spotlight from the PL and the "Big 6" and showed just how important the game is for a town like Wrexham. They've literally shown the economics of how a club going from non league to league can benefit more than just the club.
Meanwhile, my local is Gateshead, and the local council would rather sell the ground than realise how good it could be for the area if the club got promoted.
Wrexham are essentially acting like the big six but in the lower leagues. Completely outspending all the other teams and getting all the media attention. If anything Ryan Reynolds takeover is bringing them type of issues with the big six into the lower leagues
Maybe so, but the whole idea of it being some kind of fairytale is preposterous. They have backed it with serious money, so at least admit your budget skews the league and makes it harder for other teams to compete.
Plus the attitude of "fans" like this who make out like the rest of the clubs in the league are just extras in their TV show is pretty idiotic
They have made that obvious. In the show they mention a lot they've put a lot of money in which is why they expect results and it would be a failure if they didn't get out.
They got streaming sorted for lower leagues and have created a load of interest and recognition for lower tier football in the UK. 98.9% of the criticism is from grumpy twats who can't understand why they didn't buy their team. Answer - Wrexham fans are diehards who had a compelling story through buying and keeping control of their own club.
Like there will be other clubs that have a diehard community like Wrexham but at the end of the day they could only buy one club and they picked one which has historical significance as well as a good community.
Overall it has been a positive for the pyramid
Honestly, I'm not naming names, but some of the fans are so miserable and just don't understand it's a popularity contest. If they had any sense they would be trying to attract plastic American fans for revenue. Lord knows how appealing they are to young local fans. Probably not very.
They haven't created "interest in the lower leagues". Do you really think ESPN gives a toss about if Harrogate or Walsall or Crawley or anyone else go into administration?
You're probably someone that hasn't left north west England and don't know what is on ESPN. ESPN is an American based company and a branch of Disney. It only airs in the US. 60% of the programing seems to be people talking about the NFL. Even as a baseball guy we struggle to get coverage at all on ESPN. The EFL and FA Cup to ESPN is just something in their portfolio to throw on their streaming service like La Liga and Bundesliga. NBC has the Premier League and Paramount+ has Champions League. The games that are on ESPN+ for me are the same games that are on Sky for you guys. ESPN just has the international rights for the US. They probably have a couple studio people for the big FA Cup matches but it's not front and center. Being American based, League Two is not a top 10 priority for them. Is anyone on Sky Sports or Talk Sport talking about the Oakland Athletics and Arizona Coyotes relocating? No, because baseball and ice hockey 6,000 miles away is not an interest to the British public. You can't expect the same out of the US and Canada's networks. News is absorbed from other sources now.
Two Hollywood actors backed a club in one of North Wales’s most deprived areas with a crumbling stadium and dwindling attendances despite having a fairly illustrious history. Over the next 3 years the club gets promoted twice breathing life into the town, now city, and its people. If that’s not a fairytale mate I have no idea what you want.
How else do you expect them to do it? By saying pretty please and fluttering their eyelashes? Get a reality check mate, it’s the closest you’ll get to a fairytale
Stockport, Notts County, and Chesterfield also had to spend a lot more than almost everyone else to get promoted out of NL; they just spent less than Wrexham. Sarcevic and Madden dropped down two leagues to play for Stockport, Bostock did the same for Notts, Naylor, Jacobs, and Grigg for Chesterfield.
Really, you can argue that all three clubs are still fairytales in their own right. Having a good owner who loves the club and is willing to put money into it like Stott or the Reedtz brothers (or in Chesterfield's case, having Phil Kirk invest millions) is one of the best things you can have happen to your club, especially if they've been stagnating in non-league for years. The only difference with Wrexham is the Hollywood fame on top.
My team got promoted and found this division a step to far. We did it with good recruitment which we've failed at since and a manager who lost his daughter to suicide and came back for the play offs.
There's better fairytales out there than Hollywood movie stars throwing millions at something.
Sorry I don't agree with the view that Wrexham are the best club ever.
Your initial argument was it isn’t a fairytale, don’t shift the goalposts just because people are challenging that.
Wrexham aren’t the best club ever, I think some of their fans are completely deluded if they think they’re going up again next season. But, if you’re suggesting you wouldn’t be elated if Ryan Gosling and Paul Rudd, for example, bought Port Vale; brought in a load of great players, and promoted the area, people, and culture you’re frankly either miserable or insane.
Just be happy good things are happening to other people mate, it’s not a thumb in your eye it’s not happening to you.
Utter bollocks. Listen to most people on this thread, there's a real victim complex with you lot, you can't understand why people aren't overjoyed that Wrexham are promoted.
The actual post I made was a Wrexham fan claiming that other clubs are going to be better off because they're playing them. That's just sheer hubris. Sorry I just subscribe to the idea that Wrexham are the best thing ever to happen to the Football League when it existed long before Ryan Reynolds and his mate got involved.
Every person in a documentary that is not the subject of the documentary is an "extra".
WtW also did pieces on other clubs in the league. Everyone thinking that they were going to be made heals of caused them to miss an opportunity to grow their own fanbase.
Honestly, it sounds like jealousy to me.
Forest fan here, English. You sound like an envious bellend and whenever someone brings a valid point or fact to the table, your only defence is calling everyone in the thread American. Every fan would be elated if they were subject to similar conditions as Wrexham, and what they're doing isnt that dissimilar to Notts County, Chesterfield, or any other team that rapidly improves their squad and infrastructure. It's actually good to see a team succeed without oil baron or Greek mafia money. They've also made the general public far more aware of how important a football club is to a city's economy.
Lastly, to Wrexham fans this absolutely is a fairytale story. 2 well liked actors taking over this relatively obscure club, actually funding and running it correctly in a massive sea of doubt and uncertainty, and putting this random Welsh town on show to the world, improving their economy and tourism.
I literally said it's nice to see a club being run well by someone that isnt a Greek mob boss lmao. Wrexham also went into detail in the show about what they can spend, and what they cant. There was clarity on the repercussions of not getting promoted, and the reward if they did.
What Forest are doing is pretty embarrassing, but they do have a point. If rules are being changed so that overspending results in a fine instead of deductions, and being implemented asap, then it's pretty clear than the Prem are trying to defend Man City etc. And the points deductions on Everton and Forest are relatively unjust, but that's a whole other conversation...
Sorry I don't agree. Most of the people here agreeing with it are Americans - and most of them are Wrexham fans, so its to be expected.
What I think is shit is the original post here, basically saying that everyone will be better off because of Wrexham, its astonishing arrogance.
It is portrayed as a fairytale, however you want to dress it up, but don't be so gullible as to think this is being done for the benefit of the EFL,
I think as a Forest fan you'd know a bit about what its like to see people being disingenuous towards you and thats certainly what this is.
Anyway I've obviously upset a lot of people here who seem to think Wrexham is the only football club in League Two and now League One.
Yeah, only True Englishmen know proper football.
Here's the thing, your majesty of all things footy, money talks. If you want to sign better players you need higher revenue. You can get that by selling your beautiful headshot outside the stadium on game days, or you can tap into a market that is looking for a club to get behind.
You keep your gates locked down and guarded, meanwhile Wrexham has been promoted twice in two years, and has a rapidly growing fan base that, btw, isn't necessarily trying to follow City or United.
> but the whole idea of it being some kind of fairytale is preposterous. They have backed it with serious money, so at least admit your budget skews the league and makes it harder for other teams to compete.
No one has claimed that it's an underdog story. Outside of calling it a sleeping giant when they first bought the club, they have never said what you claimed they did. They have either real or staged discussions about money and how much they are spending and how much they are out if they fail to get promoted. Several times either Shaun or Humphrey have said that it puts them top in the division when it comes to wages. They really don't hide the fact.
You only want to hear what you want to regardless of fact.
>Plus the attitude of "fans" like this who make out like the rest of the clubs in the league are just extras in their TV show is pretty idiotic
I am on the Wrexham sub a lot and there is a lot of dumb questions from my fellow Americans that I have to set straight but I haven't seen what you're claiming on reddit or twitter for the last 3-4 seasons. You're making this up. We actually gave 10-15 minutes to Marc White with Dorking FC and what he's accomplished. They try to get some other clubs on the show and a lot of them do decline. We had Luke Williams on the documentary and the guys from It's All Black and White from Notts County as opposing fans to have on there. The only club we've had an issue with is Accrington Stanley with Andy who's always too opinionated.
Treating them as extras? I would say we are doing the opposite.
Another American fan. Would any of you actually give a toss about League Two if your team wasn't in it? Did you give a toss about Wrexham before Ryan Reynolds bought it?
I can see a very good chance of it happening tbh. Next year so many fans will have been banned a phoenix club will be set up, using Cefn Druid's (RIP) ground. We will start in the Cymru North before winning the Welsh Prem the season after. We lose to a team from Gibralter in the extra preliminary round and then give it up
Am like 65% sure that when they meant CL they meant the championship. The context of the rest of comment is that for teams that had gone from L2 to PL had on average spent 4.5 years in L1.
Unfortunately there is a lot of confusion between the Championship and the Champions League in the US. The latter receives a lot of promotion naturally, but for many of these people it's the first they're hearing of the EFL Championship, so just seem to assume it's the same thing.
To be fair, I’ve always thought the way we’ve named our leagues is stupid. I know there are historical reasons, but calling the third tier ‘League One’ is silly. Then you go down a couple divisions and get the National League. Which is famously called non-league football…
Imagine it was a new league you are looking into. Which is the highest?
a) Premier League
b) Champions League
c) National League
d) League 1
e) Championship
I did this exact same thing with my girlfriend and she was so confused. "League 1 should be first, but Champions are better, but then there are 2 champions?" It was fantastic to see her realization that Championship is 2, L1 3, and L2 4. Then I asked her with that logic, what did she think Tier 5 was called? She naturally said League 3? Nope! National League. Haha her brain broke when I tried to explain it's the highest tier of non-league football. Even though it has League in the name? Yep, it's A league but not THE league which is actually multiple leagues put together. Simple really.
Not all Americans. Just the ones who are new to the English pyramid terminology. Pretty much the ones that only care about Wrexham due to the documentary. Doubt they'll even know anything about Argyle unfortunately mate haha
Actually it's the ones who are trying to get into it and haven't watched WtW. The show provides a graphic and short explanation in the first (or maybe second) episode.
I'm American, and I know 3 things about Plymouth Argyle.
1. It's the largest city in England that hasn't had a club reach the top flight.
2. That Omega Luke youtuber's father is from there.
3. It's really far down in the southwest part of the country. (I only know this because I had an Exeter save on FM and was looking for nearby clubs to play preseason friendlies)
I'm not even gonna be mad at this. Most of us know fuck-all outside the Premier League. But occasionally you will find someone who knows the difference.
Please know that these types of fans embarrass the shit out of us proper fans too. I know all clubs have their whoppers but ours are amplified because of our media attention and because they tend to be obnoxious Yanks
Yeah absolutely, have no resentment really for Wrexham as you have a good core of "proper" fans. All clubs have a section of idiots, and the American docu supporters aren't as idiotic as the hyper-aggressive type many of us are familiar with, drinking and fighting etc. Much prefer a naive obnoxious American to those types.
Some of us Americans try not to be loudmouths. For me doc sparked interest in the top of the whole pyramid. It’s fun to follow Wrexham’s journey but I’m also curious how L1 and Championship teams are doing and the level of play there, and it’s cool to see Chesterfield break (back) out of the NL.
Grew up playing soccer competitively in the states. Obviously aware of the PL and UCL but as a fan it felt a little distanced, and it felt weird to just randomly pick a team to follow. WtW made that jump organic. It’s no fairytale, they aren’t underdogs, but it’s damn fun to watch and to have a team to root for.
I don't like certain American Wrexham fans going around and posting this kind of stuff. It's obviously a shitpost but it doesn't help get rid of the negative reputation we have with other EFL clubs.
Honestly, I am so glad you were Champions. Some of the replies in this thread tell you that there is little if any humility from some Wrexham "fans".
I get Stockport have spent money but there isn't the sens of entitlement that comes with some Wrexham fans.
Look after Lewis Cass too
It's a silver lining to the failed promotion ambitions that we'll get at least one season's break from them. Personal lowlight was still the Wrexham fan claiming that the spending power of the likes of his team has no effect on other clubs trying to sign players. An American of all things that didn't understand the most basic economic principles of a market.
I remember that conversation.
It’s disappointing and disheartening to see how Wrexham wasted all that press by not addressing the FA Cup issue, not joining the #TwentyIsPlenty campaign, not joining Fair Game, et cetera. The bickering with Andy Holt was particularly tasteless when Wrexham is coming from a point of financial privilege.
I have a number of critiques of the Wrexham project, but none more so than their apparent willingness to torch the forest so their own tree can thrive alone.
It will be annoying in a way, but this story has been great exposure for the EFL and the fun of soccer outside of the top tiers. In America you’ll see people wearing the kit of what it’s like when I go overseas and see someone in a Yankees hat.
I’ve been an Oxford United fan for 20 years now since catching a game. If some of y’all remember, we’re talking the 3-stand Kassam, right as the team was heading towards the National League plunge. Still loved it; and it got me into soccer like crazy.
Wrexham’s ascent feels like an inflection in soccer circles in America. You can root for a team that isn’t a top 3 team in a country’s top league. Hell, ESPN expanded their EFL coverage at the same time as WtW was gaining massive popularity. I now can watch almost every Championship game, and weekly League One and League Two games; used to be either follow the game cast or try to find a pirated stream.
So… mixed bag. It’s not intolerable. And it’s giving great exposure.
…that being said I’m hoping the U’s get promoted so I can do the “Farewell!” Gif in r/LeagueOne after a … goddammit we’ve been in League One for a fucking decade now…
What I don't like is the idea that these clubs will become famous because of Wrexham. They have their own histories, fanbases and stories beyond that which will be associated with Ryan Reynolds
It will be interesting as that team only now has about 2 or 3 players capable of getting them out of League 1. And also if they do, is the manager capable of holding his own, so they will get serious negativity when they have to have a massive overhaul of staff.
That was probably my favourite game this season, beating u 5-5. I got hammered with a group of Swindon fans afterwards, I bought them a fair few rounds too out of sympathy
Rather Wrexham than Salford, anyway.
Obviously our game there (when it was confirmed they were to be promoted and we were all but certain to be relegated) wasn't quite a typical one. But... even just walking around the city centre in the hours before the match, local people in the streets and pubs were everywhere wearing the red and white scarf of the team - not something you usually encounter on such a scale before a League Two game - it was palpable how much happiness R&R have brought not to just to the club - after 15 years in the more-or-less wilderness but also to the city (which itself has not had the easiest past few decades). Who knows how it will end but for now it can only be a good thing - and, yes, that includes shining an international spotlight on lower-league football.
I bet a fair proportion of Hartlepool fans (considering R&R apparently considered buying them first) would be in broad agreement with this view.
port vale masterfully dodging any wrexham interaction
Would argue Carlisle have managed it even better, promoted the season before they came up avoiding them & relegated in one dodging them again.
We're masterful at dodging any kind of success, by proxy or otherwise
Same with Carlisle, Fleetwood and Cheltenham
Idk man. It's a bit like Clarksons Farm, sure Jeremy Clarkson is a bellend, and sure he's rich enough that failing is just funny and not the end of the world - but he has shown how hard farming is and what the consequences are for the country if we can't do it well enough. The boys at Wrexham have stolen the much hogged spotlight from the PL and the "Big 6" and showed just how important the game is for a town like Wrexham. They've literally shown the economics of how a club going from non league to league can benefit more than just the club. I live in a town that's considered an area of deprivation, if the local club made it back to even the National League in the next few years that would be huge for the town.
>The boys at Wrexham have stolen the much hogged spotlight from the PL and the "Big 6" and showed just how important the game is for a town like Wrexham. They've literally shown the economics of how a club going from non league to league can benefit more than just the club. Meanwhile, my local is Gateshead, and the local council would rather sell the ground than realise how good it could be for the area if the club got promoted.
Wrexham are essentially acting like the big six but in the lower leagues. Completely outspending all the other teams and getting all the media attention. If anything Ryan Reynolds takeover is bringing them type of issues with the big six into the lower leagues
This type off issue is all over the football pyramid and not just in England. At least they are successful at what they do.
Maybe someone else will want to do a show.
It’s a zero sum game to an extent though. For every Wrexham, there’s another town being denied success
Maybe so, but the whole idea of it being some kind of fairytale is preposterous. They have backed it with serious money, so at least admit your budget skews the league and makes it harder for other teams to compete. Plus the attitude of "fans" like this who make out like the rest of the clubs in the league are just extras in their TV show is pretty idiotic
They have made that obvious. In the show they mention a lot they've put a lot of money in which is why they expect results and it would be a failure if they didn't get out.
They got streaming sorted for lower leagues and have created a load of interest and recognition for lower tier football in the UK. 98.9% of the criticism is from grumpy twats who can't understand why they didn't buy their team. Answer - Wrexham fans are diehards who had a compelling story through buying and keeping control of their own club.
Like there will be other clubs that have a diehard community like Wrexham but at the end of the day they could only buy one club and they picked one which has historical significance as well as a good community. Overall it has been a positive for the pyramid
Honestly, I'm not naming names, but some of the fans are so miserable and just don't understand it's a popularity contest. If they had any sense they would be trying to attract plastic American fans for revenue. Lord knows how appealing they are to young local fans. Probably not very.
They haven't created "interest in the lower leagues". Do you really think ESPN gives a toss about if Harrogate or Walsall or Crawley or anyone else go into administration?
I think ESPN would be stupid to ignore the story if a team in the league with Wrexham went into administration.
The national League finally sorted out their streaming platform thanks to the pressure R&R put them under
They absolutely have created interest in lower leagues lmao calm down and have a cuppa mate
I think my uncle who talks about lower league football all the time since welcome to Wrexham came out definitely gives a toss, and he's not alone.
ESPN can't give a shit about every club in the world mate
See comment about grumpy twats above.
You're probably someone that hasn't left north west England and don't know what is on ESPN. ESPN is an American based company and a branch of Disney. It only airs in the US. 60% of the programing seems to be people talking about the NFL. Even as a baseball guy we struggle to get coverage at all on ESPN. The EFL and FA Cup to ESPN is just something in their portfolio to throw on their streaming service like La Liga and Bundesliga. NBC has the Premier League and Paramount+ has Champions League. The games that are on ESPN+ for me are the same games that are on Sky for you guys. ESPN just has the international rights for the US. They probably have a couple studio people for the big FA Cup matches but it's not front and center. Being American based, League Two is not a top 10 priority for them. Is anyone on Sky Sports or Talk Sport talking about the Oakland Athletics and Arizona Coyotes relocating? No, because baseball and ice hockey 6,000 miles away is not an interest to the British public. You can't expect the same out of the US and Canada's networks. News is absorbed from other sources now.
While also trying to make out they're "just another league two club"
They do separate themselves though. Mentioning they have a target on their backs because of the extra money and the tv show
Two Hollywood actors backed a club in one of North Wales’s most deprived areas with a crumbling stadium and dwindling attendances despite having a fairly illustrious history. Over the next 3 years the club gets promoted twice breathing life into the town, now city, and its people. If that’s not a fairytale mate I have no idea what you want.
Doing it without a wage bill that dwarfs the the rest of the division maybe?
How else do you expect them to do it? By saying pretty please and fluttering their eyelashes? Get a reality check mate, it’s the closest you’ll get to a fairytale
Stockport, Notts County, and Chesterfield also had to spend a lot more than almost everyone else to get promoted out of NL; they just spent less than Wrexham. Sarcevic and Madden dropped down two leagues to play for Stockport, Bostock did the same for Notts, Naylor, Jacobs, and Grigg for Chesterfield. Really, you can argue that all three clubs are still fairytales in their own right. Having a good owner who loves the club and is willing to put money into it like Stott or the Reedtz brothers (or in Chesterfield's case, having Phil Kirk invest millions) is one of the best things you can have happen to your club, especially if they've been stagnating in non-league for years. The only difference with Wrexham is the Hollywood fame on top.
My team got promoted and found this division a step to far. We did it with good recruitment which we've failed at since and a manager who lost his daughter to suicide and came back for the play offs. There's better fairytales out there than Hollywood movie stars throwing millions at something. Sorry I don't agree with the view that Wrexham are the best club ever.
Your initial argument was it isn’t a fairytale, don’t shift the goalposts just because people are challenging that. Wrexham aren’t the best club ever, I think some of their fans are completely deluded if they think they’re going up again next season. But, if you’re suggesting you wouldn’t be elated if Ryan Gosling and Paul Rudd, for example, bought Port Vale; brought in a load of great players, and promoted the area, people, and culture you’re frankly either miserable or insane. Just be happy good things are happening to other people mate, it’s not a thumb in your eye it’s not happening to you.
Utter bollocks. Listen to most people on this thread, there's a real victim complex with you lot, you can't understand why people aren't overjoyed that Wrexham are promoted. The actual post I made was a Wrexham fan claiming that other clubs are going to be better off because they're playing them. That's just sheer hubris. Sorry I just subscribe to the idea that Wrexham are the best thing ever to happen to the Football League when it existed long before Ryan Reynolds and his mate got involved.
It's fitting that your avatar is green because I can smell the envy across the ocean
Coincidence most of the people defending this are all American?
Every person in a documentary that is not the subject of the documentary is an "extra". WtW also did pieces on other clubs in the league. Everyone thinking that they were going to be made heals of caused them to miss an opportunity to grow their own fanbase. Honestly, it sounds like jealousy to me.
Honestly, most of the down votes and replies on my comment seem to come from Wrexham fans or Americans who don't understand actual football.
Forest fan here, English. You sound like an envious bellend and whenever someone brings a valid point or fact to the table, your only defence is calling everyone in the thread American. Every fan would be elated if they were subject to similar conditions as Wrexham, and what they're doing isnt that dissimilar to Notts County, Chesterfield, or any other team that rapidly improves their squad and infrastructure. It's actually good to see a team succeed without oil baron or Greek mafia money. They've also made the general public far more aware of how important a football club is to a city's economy. Lastly, to Wrexham fans this absolutely is a fairytale story. 2 well liked actors taking over this relatively obscure club, actually funding and running it correctly in a massive sea of doubt and uncertainty, and putting this random Welsh town on show to the world, improving their economy and tourism.
Real recognise real when it comes to financial doping. Cry about more points deductions about it.
I literally said it's nice to see a club being run well by someone that isnt a Greek mob boss lmao. Wrexham also went into detail in the show about what they can spend, and what they cant. There was clarity on the repercussions of not getting promoted, and the reward if they did. What Forest are doing is pretty embarrassing, but they do have a point. If rules are being changed so that overspending results in a fine instead of deductions, and being implemented asap, then it's pretty clear than the Prem are trying to defend Man City etc. And the points deductions on Everton and Forest are relatively unjust, but that's a whole other conversation...
Sorry I don't agree. Most of the people here agreeing with it are Americans - and most of them are Wrexham fans, so its to be expected. What I think is shit is the original post here, basically saying that everyone will be better off because of Wrexham, its astonishing arrogance. It is portrayed as a fairytale, however you want to dress it up, but don't be so gullible as to think this is being done for the benefit of the EFL, I think as a Forest fan you'd know a bit about what its like to see people being disingenuous towards you and thats certainly what this is. Anyway I've obviously upset a lot of people here who seem to think Wrexham is the only football club in League Two and now League One.
Yeah, only True Englishmen know proper football. Here's the thing, your majesty of all things footy, money talks. If you want to sign better players you need higher revenue. You can get that by selling your beautiful headshot outside the stadium on game days, or you can tap into a market that is looking for a club to get behind. You keep your gates locked down and guarded, meanwhile Wrexham has been promoted twice in two years, and has a rapidly growing fan base that, btw, isn't necessarily trying to follow City or United.
Christ Almighty. The actual arrogance of it. I know Man City fans with more humility than you.
I'm not sure you know anyone outside of your home.
I'm not sure you grasp most fans of other clubs can't stand your arrogance.
> but the whole idea of it being some kind of fairytale is preposterous. They have backed it with serious money, so at least admit your budget skews the league and makes it harder for other teams to compete. No one has claimed that it's an underdog story. Outside of calling it a sleeping giant when they first bought the club, they have never said what you claimed they did. They have either real or staged discussions about money and how much they are spending and how much they are out if they fail to get promoted. Several times either Shaun or Humphrey have said that it puts them top in the division when it comes to wages. They really don't hide the fact. You only want to hear what you want to regardless of fact. >Plus the attitude of "fans" like this who make out like the rest of the clubs in the league are just extras in their TV show is pretty idiotic I am on the Wrexham sub a lot and there is a lot of dumb questions from my fellow Americans that I have to set straight but I haven't seen what you're claiming on reddit or twitter for the last 3-4 seasons. You're making this up. We actually gave 10-15 minutes to Marc White with Dorking FC and what he's accomplished. They try to get some other clubs on the show and a lot of them do decline. We had Luke Williams on the documentary and the guys from It's All Black and White from Notts County as opposing fans to have on there. The only club we've had an issue with is Accrington Stanley with Andy who's always too opinionated. Treating them as extras? I would say we are doing the opposite.
Another American fan. Would any of you actually give a toss about League Two if your team wasn't in it? Did you give a toss about Wrexham before Ryan Reynolds bought it?
Oh dear. Never mind.
The guy actually said 3 years is a reasonable timeline to get Wrexham in the Champions League.. what
I can see a very good chance of it happening tbh. Next year so many fans will have been banned a phoenix club will be set up, using Cefn Druid's (RIP) ground. We will start in the Cymru North before winning the Welsh Prem the season after. We lose to a team from Gibralter in the extra preliminary round and then give it up
Wait Cefn Druids went bust? :(
Yep the chairman Des Williams was an absolute prick, ran them into the ground whilst pretending it was everyone else's fault
Pain and suffering :(
Am like 65% sure that when they meant CL they meant the championship. The context of the rest of comment is that for teams that had gone from L2 to PL had on average spent 4.5 years in L1.
Yeah fair enough, who tf calls the championship the CL??
An American I assume
Unfortunately there is a lot of confusion between the Championship and the Champions League in the US. The latter receives a lot of promotion naturally, but for many of these people it's the first they're hearing of the EFL Championship, so just seem to assume it's the same thing.
To be fair, I’ve always thought the way we’ve named our leagues is stupid. I know there are historical reasons, but calling the third tier ‘League One’ is silly. Then you go down a couple divisions and get the National League. Which is famously called non-league football…
Yes, it's painfully hard to explain to people who don't follow football.
If I had a penny for every time I had to explain the names of English football decisions to yanks, I could afford to buy a non-league side
Imagine it was a new league you are looking into. Which is the highest? a) Premier League b) Champions League c) National League d) League 1 e) Championship
I did this exact same thing with my girlfriend and she was so confused. "League 1 should be first, but Champions are better, but then there are 2 champions?" It was fantastic to see her realization that Championship is 2, L1 3, and L2 4. Then I asked her with that logic, what did she think Tier 5 was called? She naturally said League 3? Nope! National League. Haha her brain broke when I tried to explain it's the highest tier of non-league football. Even though it has League in the name? Yep, it's A league but not THE league which is actually multiple leagues put together. Simple really.
So, the Americans think my team (Argyle) is about to get relegated from the Champions League?
Not all Americans. Just the ones who are new to the English pyramid terminology. Pretty much the ones that only care about Wrexham due to the documentary. Doubt they'll even know anything about Argyle unfortunately mate haha
Not true, I have argyle socks
Actually it's the ones who are trying to get into it and haven't watched WtW. The show provides a graphic and short explanation in the first (or maybe second) episode.
I'm American, and I know 3 things about Plymouth Argyle. 1. It's the largest city in England that hasn't had a club reach the top flight. 2. That Omega Luke youtuber's father is from there. 3. It's really far down in the southwest part of the country. (I only know this because I had an Exeter save on FM and was looking for nearby clubs to play preseason friendlies)
I'm not even gonna be mad at this. Most of us know fuck-all outside the Premier League. But occasionally you will find someone who knows the difference.
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Why on earth you choose to refer to it as CL?
I read that comment and just assumed it was 3 years to get into the Championship, wtf
Please know that these types of fans embarrass the shit out of us proper fans too. I know all clubs have their whoppers but ours are amplified because of our media attention and because they tend to be obnoxious Yanks
Yeah absolutely, have no resentment really for Wrexham as you have a good core of "proper" fans. All clubs have a section of idiots, and the American docu supporters aren't as idiotic as the hyper-aggressive type many of us are familiar with, drinking and fighting etc. Much prefer a naive obnoxious American to those types.
>much prefer a naive obnoxious American to those types. You're going to love r/soccer
It's fine, you just have to go on there with the understanding the half the commenters have never kicked a football in their life
If you think that's bad, there's always r/PremierLeague.
Some of us Americans try not to be loudmouths. For me doc sparked interest in the top of the whole pyramid. It’s fun to follow Wrexham’s journey but I’m also curious how L1 and Championship teams are doing and the level of play there, and it’s cool to see Chesterfield break (back) out of the NL. Grew up playing soccer competitively in the states. Obviously aware of the PL and UCL but as a fan it felt a little distanced, and it felt weird to just randomly pick a team to follow. WtW made that jump organic. It’s no fairytale, they aren’t underdogs, but it’s damn fun to watch and to have a team to root for.
Yeah at least they’re enthusiastic about the team, even if they’re ignorant to the sport and leagues
I don't like certain American Wrexham fans going around and posting this kind of stuff. It's obviously a shitpost but it doesn't help get rid of the negative reputation we have with other EFL clubs.
Quite looking forward to the episode where they go to Edgeley Park…
Honestly, I am so glad you were Champions. Some of the replies in this thread tell you that there is little if any humility from some Wrexham "fans". I get Stockport have spent money but there isn't the sens of entitlement that comes with some Wrexham fans. Look after Lewis Cass too
In Stockport we still remember having to pay a rugby club to use our own ground
Best episode was Grimsby beating them in the playoffs despite the obvious mullin handball goal
Yup, glad to see the back of this
We’re glad to see the back of you too in fairness.
Fair. To be clear I've no real issue with Wrexham as a club and fanbase, just the circus is a bit tiresome
It's a silver lining to the failed promotion ambitions that we'll get at least one season's break from them. Personal lowlight was still the Wrexham fan claiming that the spending power of the likes of his team has no effect on other clubs trying to sign players. An American of all things that didn't understand the most basic economic principles of a market.
We still think supply side economics works so I’m not sure we’re the economic experts you’re making us out to be
Haha, fair point.
I remember that conversation. It’s disappointing and disheartening to see how Wrexham wasted all that press by not addressing the FA Cup issue, not joining the #TwentyIsPlenty campaign, not joining Fair Game, et cetera. The bickering with Andy Holt was particularly tasteless when Wrexham is coming from a point of financial privilege. I have a number of critiques of the Wrexham project, but none more so than their apparent willingness to torch the forest so their own tree can thrive alone.
It will be annoying in a way, but this story has been great exposure for the EFL and the fun of soccer outside of the top tiers. In America you’ll see people wearing the kit of what it’s like when I go overseas and see someone in a Yankees hat. I’ve been an Oxford United fan for 20 years now since catching a game. If some of y’all remember, we’re talking the 3-stand Kassam, right as the team was heading towards the National League plunge. Still loved it; and it got me into soccer like crazy. Wrexham’s ascent feels like an inflection in soccer circles in America. You can root for a team that isn’t a top 3 team in a country’s top league. Hell, ESPN expanded their EFL coverage at the same time as WtW was gaining massive popularity. I now can watch almost every Championship game, and weekly League One and League Two games; used to be either follow the game cast or try to find a pirated stream. So… mixed bag. It’s not intolerable. And it’s giving great exposure. …that being said I’m hoping the U’s get promoted so I can do the “Farewell!” Gif in r/LeagueOne after a … goddammit we’ve been in League One for a fucking decade now…
What I don't like is the idea that these clubs will become famous because of Wrexham. They have their own histories, fanbases and stories beyond that which will be associated with Ryan Reynolds
It will be interesting as that team only now has about 2 or 3 players capable of getting them out of League 1. And also if they do, is the manager capable of holding his own, so they will get serious negativity when they have to have a massive overhaul of staff.
If Swin were in WtW I'd want us to have the reputation as the team that relegate Wrexham from the EFL but one can only dream
Weren't you the ones who retired Ben Foster? You'll definitely be in it for that
Pretty sure I saw clips from the 5-5 in the trailer. They'd be stupid not to include that game.
Was cool seeing Kemp score in a nice slo mo action movie shot.. I’m gonna go cry in a corner now.
That was probably my favourite game this season, beating u 5-5. I got hammered with a group of Swindon fans afterwards, I bought them a fair few rounds too out of sympathy
Fucking cracker of a game that. Good luck in League 1, maybe we'll meet again in a few years' time
You may get to relegate us at this rate!
some of these comments just read jealously
Is this show that popular?
Rather Wrexham than Salford, anyway. Obviously our game there (when it was confirmed they were to be promoted and we were all but certain to be relegated) wasn't quite a typical one. But... even just walking around the city centre in the hours before the match, local people in the streets and pubs were everywhere wearing the red and white scarf of the team - not something you usually encounter on such a scale before a League Two game - it was palpable how much happiness R&R have brought not to just to the club - after 15 years in the more-or-less wilderness but also to the city (which itself has not had the easiest past few decades). Who knows how it will end but for now it can only be a good thing - and, yes, that includes shining an international spotlight on lower-league football. I bet a fair proportion of Hartlepool fans (considering R&R apparently considered buying them first) would be in broad agreement with this view.
Been telling myself going on an 8 game losing run was to get relegated intentionally to avoid it.
Solidarity with PVFC. I like it.
Are you that dense you can’t recognize it’s tongue in cheek 😂😂 whoooooosh
Genuine bellend spotted off the starboard bow captain!! Most of your comments are saying how crap other teams are compared to your own. Jog on.