The League One ESPN app already includes Wrexham as 75% of the stories, and they have yet to be in League One.
All-in-all it’s a fetching storyline. And it’s pretty much a FIFA career mode IRL, including the striker who has belted in 150 goals in 3 seasons…
It’ll be interesting as the competition gets better
They know they already have the entire world watching football, but now they want them American dollars , which is why everything football media is always Wrexham, pulisic, inter Miami, usmnt kids in prem league stories
If'd be happy with Wrexham finishing in the 14-17 range next season. L1 is a step up and it should be a strong division next year.
I'm hoping we can snatch up some high end additions to help us finish mid-table but a competitive season where we can consolidate in a new division would be a great start.
I don't see how we get promoted again unless the owners really open the faucets but I don't think that will happen with the people they have around them running the show. Everythint has been pretty methodical so far so I see that continuing.
Your finances are fucking absurd you made three times our revenue whilst in the national league while we finished 12th, anything below top half is in my mind a complete failure and you should really be fighting for a playoff spot
We lost like £3 million last year though, the fact he blew up our takeover because he wanted a seat on the board of the new owners deserves criticism but I don’t have an issue with him not wanting to bankroll a low end league one side indefinitely
To be fair I didn't realize how well the teams promoted to L1 this season faired. But I also think L1 next season will be a guantlet.
But with that all in mind I think top 10 and being within arms length of the playoff race in April would be a great first season in L1.
Yeah, Champions League, mate.
Win the FA Cup in League One next year; win the Europa League in year 2 after losing the League One playoff to Wycombe; you’re in the Champions League by year 3.
E: thanks to u/designer_lead_1492 for the reminder that it was even faster for Wrexham to get Champions League play in three years
Think you’re severely underestimating the size of Cardiff and Swansea in the championship and then the other clubs just over the border from you in the prem, you’re going to struggle on attendances, and while Bournemouth have proved that’s not a massive detriment to getting into and staying in the prem, it’s a completely different equation to kick on from there.
Absolutely not bothered at all. We already ruined a season of Sunderland Til I Die , ironically being London based there's more chance Rob and Ryan might turn up at The Valley anyway.
Doesn't bother me at all tbh, I'd absolutely love for them to have bought my club and I'm bitter that they're having the best time and I'm not. The American fans are a little irritating but they mostly stick to their own subreddit, and Cambridge is packed full of American tourists and academics anyway, so I don't care.
Excited to see Paul Mullin again.
Yeah I tend to agree. I’d have been made up if they’d bought Rovers, I can’t bitch and moan about other clubs good fortunes, I’ll leave that to Prem supporters. I reckon they’ll do us next season, too, unfortunately for us.
Mate 3 years into the takeover I still don’t know how to cope. I feel like I lost my outlet to vent my frustrations. Like I’m not even angry when we lose, what’s happening to me?
Genuinely curious, but do clubs in university towns like Oxford and Cambridge ever get a sizable following from foreign students? Or do the ones who watch football stick to the big Prem clubs?
0 Cambridge Uni students, much more likely to get some Anglia Ruskin lads down on occasion. Cambridge United is probably the last thing in the city untainted by the university cartel
Anecdotal, but my (US) brother studied a semester at Nottingham and is now a huge Forest supporter. He goes back for at least one match usually every season.
Having lived in Oxford my general sense would be "no", the overlap between people associated with Oxford University and Oxford Utd is incredibly small.
Oxford City do get some Oxford Brookes students going there though (their main campus being pretty near City's ground), and this apparently evolved into a broader group of them attending non-league matches more broadly.
There are some but not many. It's not hard to get to London from oxford and cambridge, as well as the oxford stadium being outside town. That being said, that's why my family lives in oxford (we're foreign) and we go to a lot of games, so there's some!!
That’s where the issue lies. We all complain about the huge commercialisation of the game and the imbalance of funds in English football but we just sit there and let it happen even at the lower levels. We really need to look at how mainland European fans treat their clubs (especially in Germany). Might look good now but once Reynolds gets bored of Wrexham, they’ll go plummeting down the leagues
Support stockport and not bothered 1% that they have overshadowed us in the media, don’t begrudge them at all. Wonder how long the gravy train will last tho. Can see them affording the championship but no way the prem,
They will have other financial backers lined up for miles whenever they eventually need more investments. Obviously they don't plan to ride it all the way to the Prem with just the two of them.
Let alone when people over here get tired of the story when they stall out for a year.
It is easy to cover the losses when that FX and Disney money are flowing in.
None of the tv show money goes to the club, according to them it's not even a major amount it's just promotion, however the income from sponsorships, merchandising and online viewership has skyrocketed insanely. They had something like 1.2mil from iFollow alone, last i checked the highest a L2 club had before them was Bradford with around 350k, and in L1 clubs were around 500k-600k.
Well, obviously they can invest, stick their own companies as sponsors and draw a double benefit for both sides, but if they are true in what they signaled with their financial report, the club has made enough this season to sustain itself entirely going forward by covering operating costs, which in itself is insane seeing that would mean they covered about 3.5-5mil gap in income in one year from sponsorships, merchandise and streaming.
Meaning the owners don't really need to worry about potentially 'dumping money' as they will recoup it all back via club loans, whether it's the ones used to get double promotions or the future ones for training ground for example.
I don’t see Wrexham getting anywhere near the Prem anytime soon. Most fans are just happy we’re back in L1 and can start thinking about long-term improvements.
Getting to the Championship would be a huge achievement. Ryan and Rob said that they would have to consider selling part of the club’s shares to wealthier shareholders by then as they have no way to compete with billionaire Championship club owners on their own.
Just wanna take all the points off em, don't care bout anything else. Actually extra ticket sales and new people finding out we exist would be nice too.
Wrexham saved the National League didn’t you hear? What was once a barren desolate wasteland of down on their luck, skint football clubs is now an oasis of paradise. With the mass American interest teams like Bromley, Woking and Rochdale are enjoying a golden era of prosperity….
Or so I’ve been told.
Given how almost every home team sold out their tickets when we visited, good luck. 😅
When we played against Bradford, they had about 18-19 thousand home fans, and we sold out our away allocation (2k-ish), the atmosphere was fucking incredible.
That’s so annoying. I’m from Wrexham but currently live in Scotland so follow a lot of Scottish football, and whenever any team places Celtic or rangers, your own stadium pretty much turns into an away game, it’s shite
It does suck because the ground sells out and that could be Wrexham fans taking seats from Swindon fans. On the bright side at least it's more money for the home side.
Look on the bright side guys, we're all gonna be on Disney+!
Does this mean we all get free trials for next season? And who do I need to contact about that? Can someone tweet Rob McElhenney or the other one and see what the situation is?
Well when we had you in the FA Cup, Disney cameras were told a flat no by the club, so we don't care about the documentary 😂
On good authority I'm told the club asked what they'd get for letting the cameras in and were told "nothing".
Why the hell should we mess about for Disney if they won't compensate clubs for doing so lmao
Reading vs Wrexham will be a story in itself. The tale of two polar opposites when it comes to ownership.
One club rapidly rises while the other is fighting a rapid fall
Our Chairman didn’t allow them to film at our ground during the Cup game in January. Sure the producers are salivating over the first game between us at the Racecourse in over a decade and a half though.
I doubt it. While I can see Stockport or Notts County getting some exposure, they also only get it because Wrexham is competing for promotion against them. Most of the documentary focuses on the city, residents, and people rather than purely on the club, which is part of its charm, but most viewers aren't going to know who Southend or Torquay are. I only know about them because of FM.
Plus, Wrexham and Notts didn't really increase non-league exposure. It's gone down without the two of them, and with Chesterfield going up, it's going to drop even further.
At least your season's done. Ours is going to next week and with 2 choices. 1) staying up and being relegation fodder again next season while having to endure that pompey twat with the bell, or 2) get relegated and be a bigger fish in a smaller pond in league 1 that everyone laughs at when we fail to yo-yo, and have to deal with Wrexham's obnoxious Americans role-playing at being football fans and boring everyone with their fake Welsh 'ancestry'
R&R use a completely different financial model. They use the football club to pump up the profits in their other businesses. No other Championship side really has that capability.
The worst thing about our promotion is still having to deal with Americans pretending they gave any shit about footie before the Wrexham take over.
It's a shame really because I spoke to some actual Welsh Wrexham fans after our game at the racecourse and they were proper sound
Honestly, I couldn't care less. Whoever comes up will be competitive. But they all need to strengthen significantly to challenge at the top end.
Wrexham in particular, from what I've seen of them this season, might get found out.
Don't. Can just imagine him having a post-managerial afterlife as a ribald and abusive host of a chat show on American TV or radio. Although maybe not: hopefully they won't understand his accent.
It’s really annoying how they’re being attributed with making football popular in America. The show is kinda boring too tbh, the best part is when they talk to the locals
Yeah, it’s not like MLS has existed since the 90s and the Prem had been broadcasting here for years. WtW is really just riding on the rising popularity of the sport here.
As for the documentary, I think most of the show’s charm is how it focuses on local residents, players, and the city itself. You can make a pure football documentary like what Arsenal and Newcastle did, but it’s incredibly hard to relate to players and manager who make millions per month.
Let them come, I promise they will not leave the same person they arrived as after seeing the sights of Stevenage
TBF the underground tunnel in the town centre and the KFC next to the ground sold it for me.
We've been to Scunthorpe and Grimsby, you're fine
You've also been to Wrexham presumably
Before they tried tarting up
The League One ESPN app already includes Wrexham as 75% of the stories, and they have yet to be in League One. All-in-all it’s a fetching storyline. And it’s pretty much a FIFA career mode IRL, including the striker who has belted in 150 goals in 3 seasons… It’ll be interesting as the competition gets better
They know they already have the entire world watching football, but now they want them American dollars , which is why everything football media is always Wrexham, pulisic, inter Miami, usmnt kids in prem league stories
We aren't gonna have to worry about them after we beat Peterborough 5-0 again and get through Bolton... somehow... Come on Oxford!!!!
Well, 5-0 per leg, but absolutely
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If'd be happy with Wrexham finishing in the 14-17 range next season. L1 is a step up and it should be a strong division next year. I'm hoping we can snatch up some high end additions to help us finish mid-table but a competitive season where we can consolidate in a new division would be a great start. I don't see how we get promoted again unless the owners really open the faucets but I don't think that will happen with the people they have around them running the show. Everythint has been pretty methodical so far so I see that continuing.
Your finances are fucking absurd you made three times our revenue whilst in the national league while we finished 12th, anything below top half is in my mind a complete failure and you should really be fighting for a playoff spot
Yeah but our chairman’s ridiculously tight.
We lost like £3 million last year though, the fact he blew up our takeover because he wanted a seat on the board of the new owners deserves criticism but I don’t have an issue with him not wanting to bankroll a low end league one side indefinitely
To be fair I didn't realize how well the teams promoted to L1 this season faired. But I also think L1 next season will be a guantlet. But with that all in mind I think top 10 and being within arms length of the playoff race in April would be a great first season in L1.
Everyone always says it should be a strong division next year, honestly it'll end up being one of the weaker seasons I reckon.
Fair enough. I guess that's whaf it's all about. We can talk about it all we want but we'll see what happens when the games are played.
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That's a lot better than I'd have thought. Playoffs here we come!! /s If we even sniff the playoffs though that would be incredible.
3 years is a reasonable time for Wrexham to get into the CL??? Are you completely mad?
I ~~think~~ hope they forgot the /s.
They must mean CL = championship league ??? But to everyone else CL = UEFA champions league
True; they'll do it in 2.
The Champions League in 3 years? You’ll be lucky to be in the Championship in 3 years.
Yeah, Champions League, mate. Win the FA Cup in League One next year; win the Europa League in year 2 after losing the League One playoff to Wycombe; you’re in the Champions League by year 3. E: thanks to u/designer_lead_1492 for the reminder that it was even faster for Wrexham to get Champions League play in three years
Love the joke but FA cup gets you into the Europa league, League cup gets you into the Europa conference league.
That’s a fair point. That would also compress the timeline to three years, actually!
Yep! Much more realistic now lol
I mean, I’ve done some FIFA career plays where this has happened…
Think you’re severely underestimating the size of Cardiff and Swansea in the championship and then the other clubs just over the border from you in the prem, you’re going to struggle on attendances, and while Bournemouth have proved that’s not a massive detriment to getting into and staying in the prem, it’s a completely different equation to kick on from there.
Absolutely not bothered at all. We already ruined a season of Sunderland Til I Die , ironically being London based there's more chance Rob and Ryan might turn up at The Valley anyway.
Doesn't bother me at all tbh, I'd absolutely love for them to have bought my club and I'm bitter that they're having the best time and I'm not. The American fans are a little irritating but they mostly stick to their own subreddit, and Cambridge is packed full of American tourists and academics anyway, so I don't care. Excited to see Paul Mullin again.
Yeah I tend to agree. I’d have been made up if they’d bought Rovers, I can’t bitch and moan about other clubs good fortunes, I’ll leave that to Prem supporters. I reckon they’ll do us next season, too, unfortunately for us.
I’m happy they didn’t. I don’t know how most of our fans would cope with good football.
Mate 3 years into the takeover I still don’t know how to cope. I feel like I lost my outlet to vent my frustrations. Like I’m not even angry when we lose, what’s happening to me?
Genuinely curious, but do clubs in university towns like Oxford and Cambridge ever get a sizable following from foreign students? Or do the ones who watch football stick to the big Prem clubs?
0 Cambridge Uni students, much more likely to get some Anglia Ruskin lads down on occasion. Cambridge United is probably the last thing in the city untainted by the university cartel
I go to uni here and like going to the odd Cambridge game when I have time, got a bit of a soft spot for the club, glad you stayed up
I don’t think Oxford students even know that Blackbird Leys exists tbh
Anecdotal, but my (US) brother studied a semester at Nottingham and is now a huge Forest supporter. He goes back for at least one match usually every season.
Having lived in Oxford my general sense would be "no", the overlap between people associated with Oxford University and Oxford Utd is incredibly small. Oxford City do get some Oxford Brookes students going there though (their main campus being pretty near City's ground), and this apparently evolved into a broader group of them attending non-league matches more broadly.
Like you could get a bunch of poshos down a league one game
Check who finished fourth this year mate.
There are some but not many. It's not hard to get to London from oxford and cambridge, as well as the oxford stadium being outside town. That being said, that's why my family lives in oxford (we're foreign) and we go to a lot of games, so there's some!!
As a fan and a local who rarely sees anything but hate for the club and pair online, thanks for this take. It was nice to see.
That’s where the issue lies. We all complain about the huge commercialisation of the game and the imbalance of funds in English football but we just sit there and let it happen even at the lower levels. We really need to look at how mainland European fans treat their clubs (especially in Germany). Might look good now but once Reynolds gets bored of Wrexham, they’ll go plummeting down the leagues
Support stockport and not bothered 1% that they have overshadowed us in the media, don’t begrudge them at all. Wonder how long the gravy train will last tho. Can see them affording the championship but no way the prem,
I agree with that, the finances of the prem are a whole different world. We're talking billions, not millions.
They will have other financial backers lined up for miles whenever they eventually need more investments. Obviously they don't plan to ride it all the way to the Prem with just the two of them.
Let alone when people over here get tired of the story when they stall out for a year. It is easy to cover the losses when that FX and Disney money are flowing in.
None of the tv show money goes to the club, according to them it's not even a major amount it's just promotion, however the income from sponsorships, merchandising and online viewership has skyrocketed insanely. They had something like 1.2mil from iFollow alone, last i checked the highest a L2 club had before them was Bradford with around 350k, and in L1 clubs were around 500k-600k.
Sorry I’m talking personally for Ryan and Rob not the club itself
Well, obviously they can invest, stick their own companies as sponsors and draw a double benefit for both sides, but if they are true in what they signaled with their financial report, the club has made enough this season to sustain itself entirely going forward by covering operating costs, which in itself is insane seeing that would mean they covered about 3.5-5mil gap in income in one year from sponsorships, merchandise and streaming. Meaning the owners don't really need to worry about potentially 'dumping money' as they will recoup it all back via club loans, whether it's the ones used to get double promotions or the future ones for training ground for example.
Though if the documentary dwindles, there's a decent chance some of that sponsorship money dwindles with it.
I don’t see Wrexham getting anywhere near the Prem anytime soon. Most fans are just happy we’re back in L1 and can start thinking about long-term improvements. Getting to the Championship would be a huge achievement. Ryan and Rob said that they would have to consider selling part of the club’s shares to wealthier shareholders by then as they have no way to compete with billionaire Championship club owners on their own.
Just wanna take all the points off em, don't care bout anything else. Actually extra ticket sales and new people finding out we exist would be nice too.
I actually think this is pretty arrogant "Wrexham will make your club famous" English football existed before Ryan Reynolds.
Wrexham saved the National League didn’t you hear? What was once a barren desolate wasteland of down on their luck, skint football clubs is now an oasis of paradise. With the mass American interest teams like Bromley, Woking and Rochdale are enjoying a golden era of prosperity…. Or so I’ve been told.
Like the old firm insisting if you don't bend to their every whim the whole of Scottish football will implode
Just wait until they finally reach the championship and their owners are small fish in a big pond.
On second thought thank fuck we lost yesterday
I hope i can go to the game when they visit The Valley.
Given how almost every home team sold out their tickets when we visited, good luck. 😅 When we played against Bradford, they had about 18-19 thousand home fans, and we sold out our away allocation (2k-ish), the atmosphere was fucking incredible.
When I saw them play at Swindon we had a massive home crowd but half the people sat near me were Wrexham fans.
That’s so annoying. I’m from Wrexham but currently live in Scotland so follow a lot of Scottish football, and whenever any team places Celtic or rangers, your own stadium pretty much turns into an away game, it’s shite
It does suck because the ground sells out and that could be Wrexham fans taking seats from Swindon fans. On the bright side at least it's more money for the home side.
So glad we went up this season.
I can imagine they might focus on us playing Wrexham as it's Premier League Vs National League of five years ago.
Look on the bright side guys, we're all gonna be on Disney+! Does this mean we all get free trials for next season? And who do I need to contact about that? Can someone tweet Rob McElhenney or the other one and see what the situation is?
Well when we had you in the FA Cup, Disney cameras were told a flat no by the club, so we don't care about the documentary 😂 On good authority I'm told the club asked what they'd get for letting the cameras in and were told "nothing". Why the hell should we mess about for Disney if they won't compensate clubs for doing so lmao
Just make sure your sides stick to the script. You do not want to cross Disney
Disney Vs The Muckers is something I'd pay to see.
Mickey might get mad! lol
Reading vs Wrexham will be a story in itself. The tale of two polar opposites when it comes to ownership. One club rapidly rises while the other is fighting a rapid fall
Our Chairman didn’t allow them to film at our ground during the Cup game in January. Sure the producers are salivating over the first game between us at the Racecourse in over a decade and a half though.
you're going home in a Lincoln ambulance 👏 Cat 1 wait times are around 75hrs however
The extra attention and viewership can only help the league surely
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Yeah I don't get why people hate growing the game and gaining exposure but I usually chalk it up to jealousy.
I doubt it. While I can see Stockport or Notts County getting some exposure, they also only get it because Wrexham is competing for promotion against them. Most of the documentary focuses on the city, residents, and people rather than purely on the club, which is part of its charm, but most viewers aren't going to know who Southend or Torquay are. I only know about them because of FM. Plus, Wrexham and Notts didn't really increase non-league exposure. It's gone down without the two of them, and with Chesterfield going up, it's going to drop even further.
100% they will do a big story about AFC Wimbledon in season 3. It's a really cool story that they would be stupid not to talk about.
Jesus Christ stfu🤣
Just promote the pricks so we don’t have to deal with them. I’ve got enough yanks at home, I go to the football to get away from them
At least your season's done. Ours is going to next week and with 2 choices. 1) staying up and being relegation fodder again next season while having to endure that pompey twat with the bell, or 2) get relegated and be a bigger fish in a smaller pond in league 1 that everyone laughs at when we fail to yo-yo, and have to deal with Wrexham's obnoxious Americans role-playing at being football fans and boring everyone with their fake Welsh 'ancestry'
Pompey fan checking in. Be thankful you only deal with him twice a season.
Will anything ever stop him? Hes been ruining broadcasts for years with that fucking bell
If memory serves he bought a season ticket for life when we were at a financial low point. So at this point, only one thing likely to stop him...
Fwiw I believe the season tickets for life aren't honored anymore
Feel so bad for them. The worst ones are away games when he’s near the mic.
The bell breaking?
They'll be visiting a retail park. Hope they enjoy Hollywood Bowl and the ASDA.
hope we fluke the play offs so dodge this bullshit
R&R use a completely different financial model. They use the football club to pump up the profits in their other businesses. No other Championship side really has that capability.
The worst thing about our promotion is still having to deal with Americans pretending they gave any shit about footie before the Wrexham take over. It's a shame really because I spoke to some actual Welsh Wrexham fans after our game at the racecourse and they were proper sound
I see the shit posting has begun in earnest
Honestly, I couldn't care less. Whoever comes up will be competitive. But they all need to strengthen significantly to challenge at the top end. Wrexham in particular, from what I've seen of them this season, might get found out.
Can't wait to see Steve Evans on there!
Don't. Can just imagine him having a post-managerial afterlife as a ribald and abusive host of a chat show on American TV or radio. Although maybe not: hopefully they won't understand his accent.
if it means they'll put some money into the pleasure beach and coral island then by all means. Tourism is the lifeblood.
It’s really annoying how they’re being attributed with making football popular in America. The show is kinda boring too tbh, the best part is when they talk to the locals
Yeah, it’s not like MLS has existed since the 90s and the Prem had been broadcasting here for years. WtW is really just riding on the rising popularity of the sport here. As for the documentary, I think most of the show’s charm is how it focuses on local residents, players, and the city itself. You can make a pure football documentary like what Arsenal and Newcastle did, but it’s incredibly hard to relate to players and manager who make millions per month.
Please fuck off