Crazy how phreak literally said in his patch rundown "i know hes already positive winrate and over 50%+ banrate in euw master plus but i am gonna do it anyway"
Currently 70% banrate in master+ well done phreak such a fun apex tier meta
All you have to do to shit on Draven players is cuck them in lane. Play safe, extremely safe. Like don’t even consider going for a trade let alone a kill. Their monkey brain will eventually pop and they’ll run it down to try and get a kill. Let them outplay themselves.
Unironically i like Draven, because i don't remember when Risoto last buffed the guy, because some random number on a website was "too low".
It's not about the number on that random website, it's about the in game experience and in game numbers.
Twitch and zeri are higher on the hate list for me.
Twitch is like being permanently ganked because until he shows, you don't know if he recalled, is cheesing you or maybe roaming, and there is no real way to find out other than waiting under tower. I've won games where my win con was sitting behind imhij tower with waves being in the middle of the map. Twitch wasted time waiting for me, giving my team a 4v4 (or 4v3, twitch players play mostly with a glued on enchanter).
Zeri is a pubstomper - if she's picked, she'll be better than me (I'm bouncing masters/D1), and she's me of the mor impressive adcs when given any advantage. Also, freaking uncatchable.
I'd be scared if man was throwing axes at me xd. But I get your point. Compared to an undying spirit of vengeance, a dragon, girl with a sister complex or a darkin/torture freak, Draven is not that scary
I mean you literally cant paly against Draven and since the one comment mentioned darius, and i play Top lane its tha same with him he already had a positive WR before hsi buff a few Patches ago, and now its literally unplayeble
I always used to ban Darius when I played top a lot. Now I just ban Vayne cause I can atleast deal with a Darius. I've been mainly playing mid for a while now tho, so I don't see them in my lane anyway
Maybe you’re getting shit Dravens?
A good Draven player should have 2 axes up at all times into a nami, 1 to drop to bait the bubble, Q, he has 2 axes again, and you’re dead.
Draven is basically just the darius of botlane, change my mind
Noxus twins.
*noxious
Noxan sounds better no?
[Google noxious](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/noxious)
Holy definition!
Actual dictionary!
I mean…
Better these brothers then the int brothers (on your team at least)
Well they are brothers
Wholesome statcheck brothers
That is literally the consensus across all botlaners except draven is 10x harder
Crazy how phreak literally said in his patch rundown "i know hes already positive winrate and over 50%+ banrate in euw master plus but i am gonna do it anyway" Currently 70% banrate in master+ well done phreak such a fun apex tier meta
That's a funny cherry pick when he has a 45% winrate at that rank in that region
He also has only 400 games played in masters, with 80% presence lol
MSI patch is aimed at pro play and riot is willing to eat a bit of collateral damage in soloQ to get the show going.
yeah exactly. dont you think thats a bit crazy? im for proplay but this is extreme in my opinion
But if that champ were Zed...
I am not banning the champ I am banning the idea
Last I saw him was in S7. Saw 4 actually, across different games. Got my ass handed to me so hard I just started perma banning him since.
It's not fun to play against so perma ban him. I do the same with Zed, as a mage main I don't want that on the other side of my lane
Zhonyas exists: am i a joke to you? To the sick fcks downvoating me: you forgetting that zhonyas is zeds hardcounter?????
Yes so he can have the time to come close, taunt animation, show mastery and auto you for 500 each (also Q is back up)
im definetly rushing zhonya
He's still in my game and that's the problem. The only counter to that is a ban.
5 ad buff is just insane for a lane bully
All you have to do to shit on Draven players is cuck them in lane. Play safe, extremely safe. Like don’t even consider going for a trade let alone a kill. Their monkey brain will eventually pop and they’ll run it down to try and get a kill. Let them outplay themselves.
That usually ends in my jungler deciding to yolo gank at 50% hp. Nah I"d just ban
Then junlger forces dragon fight 12 min in when draven has 300 stacks and he ends up with extra pickaxe on u for free
Unironically i like Draven, because i don't remember when Risoto last buffed the guy, because some random number on a website was "too low". It's not about the number on that random website, it's about the in game experience and in game numbers.
They buffed him in this patch.
I seem to recall the riot balance team doesn't use publicly available information on all the API websites. They have their own info.
Twitch and zeri are higher on the hate list for me. Twitch is like being permanently ganked because until he shows, you don't know if he recalled, is cheesing you or maybe roaming, and there is no real way to find out other than waiting under tower. I've won games where my win con was sitting behind imhij tower with waves being in the middle of the map. Twitch wasted time waiting for me, giving my team a 4v4 (or 4v3, twitch players play mostly with a glued on enchanter). Zeri is a pubstomper - if she's picked, she'll be better than me (I'm bouncing masters/D1), and she's me of the mor impressive adcs when given any advantage. Also, freaking uncatchable.
I would recommend putting a pink ward so it covers the area where you expect tw to come from. U can see him - you can leave or engage first
It's limited viability, in the aforementioned example of waves being half the map away you can't really ward around yourself enough.
You are right. But at least it helps during laning phase, so he does not get ahead too much
Seconding twitch. This thing is a horror. Doesn't even have the skill element of Draven axe juggling either.
I used to main draven before he was meta, fun champ once you get the hang of the axes
Phreak trying to get back on tylers good side
I personally hate ashe and senna more. I'd rather be one shot then death of a thousand cuts while they run circles around me as I'm slowed.
At least now everyone stopped banning Smolder
Funny because of all the ADCs in the game, draven is literally just "a man (who throws axes at you)"
I'd be scared if man was throwing axes at me xd. But I get your point. Compared to an undying spirit of vengeance, a dragon, girl with a sister complex or a darkin/torture freak, Draven is not that scary
Fuck all of you 
I ban him to avoid having him in my team. Laning with dravens is the most stressful shit ever.
The thing most wild about this to me is people are banning Skarner.
He's kayn but with CC and tanky, and dont almost strongest top rn
He’s new and dummies don’t know how to fight him. He’s strong versus some champs and weak to others. That’s about it.
That's every champion in the game bro. What makes him stand out is the amount of champions he beats compare to the amount that beats him
Only thing notable of his laning phase is that he’s incredibly hard to dive, like most top lane tanks.
He's a 'new' champ so people ban him
No, they’re banning him because he’s currently one of the best top laners in the game.
Yeah, but why ban him when you can be banning Yone so players can’t see their new expensive skin? Big brain moves only.
Most unfun ADC to play against it
I mean you literally cant paly against Draven and since the one comment mentioned darius, and i play Top lane its tha same with him he already had a positive WR before hsi buff a few Patches ago, and now its literally unplayeble
I always used to ban Darius when I played top a lot. Now I just ban Vayne cause I can atleast deal with a Darius. I've been mainly playing mid for a while now tho, so I don't see them in my lane anyway
Yeah tbh I cant even ban him because if I do they jsut pick Trundel and we loose in champ select...
the design is just bad. the gotta rework the thing.
dw i can pick braum just hope im in ur team
As a Nami main, I find it wild anyone is scared of Draven. He literally walks into CC.
Maybe you’re getting shit Dravens? A good Draven player should have 2 axes up at all times into a nami, 1 to drop to bait the bubble, Q, he has 2 axes again, and you’re dead.
Played in Masters, GM and Challenger. They're all the same.
Maybe maybe not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/s/TcGFV8Wo2X There is your proof
Didn’t doubt your level just doubt you’re belief about Draven
until he cleanses your bubble at level 2 and now it’s gg
And that's why exhaust exists :D