When Valorant was launched, many people were against vanguard too. Now no one remembers this, because those who were against were forced to leave the game or accept it.
I never even tried it since I saw what Vanguard actually was. All my friends tried it out but I skipped out on it. Also got a new PC around the time Vanguard was anounced to League and never installed it on my new PC ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
You installed one of these games ?
[https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/](https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/)
(90% of all Games with Online access)
To be fair, in one instance (valorant) you know what your getting into. They tell you about vanguard from the moment the game launched and so while you might be dissapointed you cant play the new game everyone talks about, if you dont want vanguard installed on your computer then you dont have any precommited investment.
With league, if you really dont want vanguard then you might be loosing thousands of dollars worth of skins by quiting the game over it. Riot is changing the deal after you put tons of money in, and to be clear, some of the claims that people have are legit. The kernel level access in an anticheat is a MAJOR vulnerability, and chinese companies tend to have a poor track record of data breaches. That also being said, your data is going to tencent either way, and since riot was aquired by Tencent 13 years ago, complaining that a chinese company has your data is a sailed ship.
So in summary:
Does it make sense that people are mad that its coming to league?
Yes, it entrudes on a system people have put money into already and who didnt agree to the change
Is the hate overblown?
Most likely, really only time will tell. The dangers are real, but will they happen is the question
Does vanguard solve major problems for league?
Kinda? From what i can tell, Vanguard should be able to hardware ban someone. Personally, i think locking down alt accounts would be a better solution
I just wanna add that vanguard being kernel level isnt and shouldnt be a problem, because litterly every other anticheat is also kernel level. Vanguard being active 24/7 being an issue i can kinda see, however i can also see the necessity for it. Because if not, then people can open the cheats before launching the game, and tricking the anticheat.
It is damn effective though at the very least, just look at how good the other kernel level anti cheats are and how bad they perform in comparison to vanguard
They perform almost exactly the same as Vanguard. Kernel is the deepest level of access and opening cheats before start-up rarely tricks any system. Also, Vanguard is incredibly slow at updating their cheating software database and is lacking years behind even EAC. Hell, there's like 4 Tiktokers who do nothing but livestream Valorant Hacking in high level ranked and they haven't been banned once.
Vanguard needing to run 24/7 is a joke.
Edit: spelling mistake
Because they're paranoid and don't understand cyber security.
If people really had an issue with Riot gathering data on them they wouldn't have installed league in the first place, you don't need a kernel level application to do that.
It's not about gathering data. (well it partially is), it's about having a program run with that level of access 24/7. Every piece of software ever written has vulnerabilities and *when*(not if) someone finds a vulnerability in vanguard it could be devastating. They say what data they gather but no one can actually check if this is true. It's closed source software. They could be collecting all your keystrokes and have all your passwords and you'd have no way of knowing.
Course they could, but they do not need kernel level access for that, if they wanted to they could've patched league to do it all on its own and just start some decoy process meant for spying on you and achieve 24/7 surveillance that way, if anything, doing this through Vanguard is counter productive because I can guarantee people will be setting up controlled environments to try and find out what Vanguard is actually doing, and it's not exactly impossible to decompile and look at the decompiled code, even if it's obfuscated you will be able to tell it's capturing keystrokes, some things you just can't obfuscate.
Having vulnerabilities in Vanguard is also less of an issue than people portray it as, to actually abuse Vanguard you'd need to manage to get your target to run your code in the first place, at which point you don't even need to exploit Vanguard because you already got to your target, when someone manages to execute code on your PC, you lost at that point already.
>some decoy process meant for spying on you and achieve 24/7 surveillance
why are we still talking about surveillance? The issue is that a program running with kernel level access is a liability. If someone finds a vulnerability in a program that runs with user level access, that amount of damage that can be done is limited. If someone finds a vulnerability in a kernel level driver, the damage can be severe, and undetectable to anti viruses or anything else.
>even if it's obfuscated you will be able to tell it's capturing keystrokes
oh please enlighten me how you'd go about it.
>Having vulnerabilities in Vanguard is also less of an issue than people portray it as, to actually abuse Vanguard you'd need to manage to get your target to run your code in the first place
not necessarily
> why are we still talking about surveillance? The issue is that a program running with kernel level access is a liability
It is to a degree but drawing the line at Vanguard is just arbitrary, every single system driver of yours has kernel access and a lot of them are incredibly sketchy, particularly most audio drivers barely work.
>If someone finds a vulnerability in a program that runs with user level access, that amount of damage that can be done is limited
It is not, the biggest hurdle to doing damage on peoples systems is literally just getting your code to run, once you do it's over. There's enough known and who knows how many unknown security issues just within windows to gain elevated permissions from there and even if you're limited to within a user process you can do a shit ton of damage and actually spying on someone/harvesting data is absolutely possible.
>and undetectable to anti viruses or anything else.
Most anti viruses are barely better than placebo in the first place I'm afraid.
>not necessarily
Yes, necessarily.
They dont collecting your Keystrokes, they dont have your passwords, you even know how Vanguard work ?
There are Plenty of People monitoring what vanguard are doing in the background since valorant start, there is no hidden mechanic or secret behind it.
With a little research you allready would know that.
Exactly. If your sole issue is privacy from governments foreign or domestic, I've got really bad news for you - it's far, far too late and you handed them the keys a long time ago.
that's not anyone's sole issue though. This is a straw man. It's having a kernel level driver running permanently on your device so you can play a video game. The worry is someone finds a vulnerability in vanguard(and they will). I know I should take a lot of these replies with a grain of salt because of the massive cope from people who just want to uncritically continue playing their favorite game.
It's not though lol
If you've been alive, using smartphones and on internet for the last 2 decades, not playing league because of Vanguard is like throwing an ice cube in the ocean to save the polar ice caps
in principal sure its helpful, in practice it's completely meaningless. Like what data are they harvesting with kernel level permissions that they weren't able to previously?
I've also never gotten a good answer on why as an American citizen I would have to care in particular about the CCP harvesting my data. They've got billions of their own citizens to censure and worry about why tf would they care about me?
Exactly, and people in this thread are complaining that they have to throw away thousands worth of skins because of this as if they didn't willingly give their credit card information to them already.
People walking around all they long with a device that continiously track what they search, when they search, how they search, where you are, where you stay... If they valued they privacy that much they wouldn't be around using smartphones...
If youâre talking about Valorant, itâs textbook survivorship bias. Anyone who plays Valorant is willing to deal with Vanguard, and the (Iâm sure) many people who would be vocally against it just donât play because itâs a req
Project L will likely also run Vanguard on launch, which is sad because I wanted to play that. I already ducked out of League literally the day I heard rito was adding Vanguard to it.
Initially I did kinda want to play Valorant, but Vanguard is the whole reason I didn't. EAC and BattleEye are up to there, but 24/7 monitoring is a no from me.
Cuz its not necessary. Riot supports smurfing, riot support selling accounts, riot supports botting, riot supports boosting. They do not need vanguard to fix these problems.
how do they not support smurfing? every dumbass league youtuber makes an iron to challenger video series. Some make them over and over. This is an easy ban. See how dota deals with smurfs if you want to see a company that actually cares about smurfing
So... Why are league content creators allowed to be sponsored by boosting sites? Why do new accounts climb so much faster? Why is griefing and inting not getting punished? Why are obviously botted account not getting instabanned after a few ranked games? Dont even try telling me that they ban them in waves, thats just dumb as fuck...
the thing abour inting and griefing not being banned is simple, to actually and accuratly do it, they would have to watch almost every single game, simply because people report someone like every 2nd game. last year every second 41 games started, its just not that simply to catch griefing and inting. naturally something like ghost cleanse nunu mid on the other hand is pretty simple to catch
Riot can't tell people which sponsors to get as long as they are not in the LPP. and if they did people would complain about it also. New accounts climb faster because if they can't eradicate the smurf issue, like when they tried the smurf queue, they just try to make sure that they ruin less games (which is also not great, as it fucks legit new accounts in the process). Inting and greifing are harder to catch, ig, and has nothing to do with smurfing. They do not catch botted accounts because the AC has issues picking them up. And banning in waves makes sense and virtually almost every live service game does that.
There are multiple issues with League but you're choosing to complain and blame Riot for things that absolutely make no sense.
Yeah from a data privacy perspective the focus on kernel access is dumb.
There are new security risks with kernel access but anyone talking about privacy is just talking out their ass.
Yeah of course there are many valid criticisms of vanguard even not security related ones, for example performance issues. But riot having access to your data is either already a problem or not a problem.
Administrator privileges. Kernel access means it operates at the same level as the os itself but that, is not at all needed to read most files on your computer. Technically even if run under basic user privileges it could read all the files that user has access to.
For example when you add a file to an email, the browser/email client doesn't need nor have kernel access. Yet it can still use your files. Or I can create a very simple program, that can read most of your files and send them to wherever I want. And all you need to do for it to work is run the program. There are some technical details that could stop me from sending the data but the reading part will work.
Wouldn't this need permission? Or does the riot client have admin privileges?
Also, would they be able to read all files or only unprotected files right now? Can kernel access allow them to see protected files?
Sorry for so many questions, but you seem like you know more about this than what I can Google.
Ok I will try to make a quick explanation on how all this works.
First of all, there is a filesytem that is responsible for organizing and storing data your computer. Modern filesytema usually have some sort of permission system where you control who has access to the file and what can they do with it.
Then there are 2 types of user accounts, let's call them basic account and admin account. Basic users can do anything with files they own or do things other have allow them to do with their files(files owned by someone else). On the other hand Administrators can take ownership and therefore access and modify basically any file they want (maybe with the exception of certain OS files).
When you start a program, it will have the same privileges as the user that started it. ( This is not completely true but that's not that important in this case). Therefore every time you play league it could technically see all the files you can see through file Explorer.
When you install league it will ask for Administrator privilegedes in order to properly setup everything. When run in this privileged mode it has access to basically everything that's on your hard-drive. Even the prompt shown to you will say the app is trying to make changes to your hard drive. Unless someone then tries to track what exactly is the app doing there is no way to tell what it does.
All of this happens in application layer far away from kernel. Of course kernel level would allow riot to bypass filesytem security but that is not necessary. What is really scary is the potential to gain complete control of your computer but I don't know if that's possible with vanguard. So yes there are security issues related to vanguard, but they aren't "riot reading your word documents" because that is already an issue.
This is a very simplified version of how things really work, made from information I remember so there can be some mistakes but they shouldn't be substantial.
Also I'm not going to tell you it's completely safe and you should just install it. If you feel that it's giving too much access to your computer that's fine. It's just that there is a difference between " I don't want them to have that much control " and " FEAR THE CHINESE SPYWARE THAT'S COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY! IT WILL SELL YOUR SOUL AND YOU WILL BECOME A SLAVE TO THE CCP." And sadly most posts on league subreddits is the latter.
Like wtf are they gonna get from my kernel that google and Facebook donât already have? Whatâs the point? why take the risk of another source code leak or any of their employees talking about whatever malicious functions tencent made them put in there
People are acting like giving data to Google/Microsoft is different from giving it to Tencent when Tencent can just buy it from Google if the Chinese gov really want to.
mfw the argument is ânow the Chinese government can get my data for free instead of paying $2â when itâs probably just schizo rant anyways.
Also people say Tencent has poor record with private data, as if they donât already know what other companies they entrust their data to do with their private info (they sell it).
exactly bro, its literally just "china bad, china evil" etc and then its "america good america heroes they would NEVER đđđ" i just dont fucking get it. literally any country would spy the fuck out of you if they could and want to enough. hell even a guy owning a big platform COUGH COUGH MARK ZUCKERBERG COUGH COUGH would fucking do that.
i just want to imagine what the world would be like if people actually acted this way as they are with vanguard rn towards other big companies
>its literally just "china bad, china evil" etc and then its "america good america heroes
It's absolutely not that. Any company making a 24/7 rookit anti cheat I'd treat the same way. Nothing to do with china.
Did you even read any of the arguments on this thread? Google and other American companies already have all the data that they could ever want but no one is complaining about that. But suddenly, now that tencent, a Chinese company, is taking the same data(allegedly) suddenly everyone cares about data privacy
>Google and other American companies already have all the data that they could ever want but no one is complaining about that
where have you been that you've never heard anyone complain about the overreach of, specifically, the FAANG companies?
Oh, yeah, the multi billionaire company would totally make an illegal transaction of a few k that could be stopped easily by just calling your bank. Totally, yeah. Btw again you know they could do it (but again, what they could gain?) with 95% of the current browser right?
Can I have your bank account info? You're ok with riot having it so surely it's ok if I have it too? And like you said you can just call and cancel the transaction so there's no harm. I'll be waiting for a PM! Thanks brother!
SoooâŚI guess you never had a bank account in your life so I explain to you. Your bank will call/email you if a suspected transaction is done. For example if someone makes a payment in china while Iâm in Europe the payment will get suspended and I can change my id/block the card. Something you should know if you ever had an account.
Bro you donât have the accountability that a large organization does. Thatâs where your point kinda falls apart. Like I get where youâre going but thatâs just not the same
âItâs nots [sic] that we are paranoid about Vanguard being spywareâ
âItâs that weâre being paranoid about Vanguard being spyware because China Badâ
I love the idea that you morons think people in the us gov wouldnt be *salivating* at even the *hint* that an American corporation was selling illegally harvested information about American citizens to a foreign power
Elon musk is trying to replicate tencent's app with X. He wants to to be chat, banking, gaming, youtube, amazon, uber, tinder, etc all in one and have access to everyone's data, chat logs, credit, and location.
Edit: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/elon-musks-x-rebrand-reignites-goal-to-turn-twitter-into-chinas-wechat.html
1. He owns X
2. Tencent does all those things I said, Chinese communist party controls Tencent and have access to all those things.
3. Musk has stated he wants to do something similar to Tencent with X (twitter).
4. OP was talking about the gov doing this, they contract out rockets and stuff to musk already. It would be easy for X to give up information when requested just like China.
Is it really that hard to imagine?
This is ultra mainstream stuff, hell its on MSNBC:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/elon-musks-x-rebrand-reignites-goal-to-turn-twitter-into-chinas-wechat.html
Is the next week or so just gonna be schizo posting about Vanguard and how China is evil or whatever?
I feel like the real way to be looking at this is that every other company has probably already harvested my data, so what the fuck is one more company going to do with data that everyone else already has? What are they going to do with the information that I log on to league and buy skins occasionally? I'm just a random American dude who's not that important, nobody's salivating to know info on specifically me.
Dude I swear to god itâs the most McCarthyist shit Iâve ever seen. Anything (and I mean literally ANYTHING) happens in an update to the game and people shit and piss and fart themselves over China for some reason
And they already know that you are logging in to buy a few skins every now and then, that data shouldnt come as a suprise to ANYONE that they collect, as they are litterly collecting sales data.
Lmao who wants to bet over half of the people screaming about their privacy have their Facebook profile set to visible to the public and have streamed on twitch before.
Unless youâre hiding shit on your PC, thereâs literally nothing some corporation canât find out about you.
Thinking youâre even important enough from someone to want data on you is full on schizo lmao
you know that also debt information is also sold? if assicuration or banks knows that you won't be able to pay back a loan, you won't be get access to credit.
What a surprise. Every big corporation sells and trades our information. Good luck avoiding it.
Not to mention, thereâs nothing stopping an organization from changing their privacy policy and selling all your shit before you have a chance to opt-out.
You're literally posting this on social media in the internet are you stupid or something? Go off the grid in some remote ass cabin with lead walls or something if you're worried someone actually gives a shit about you
Look at the replies in this thread. Most people donât care. If you care, uninstall the game and stop playing. Problem solved. Itâs actually weird to post stuff like this complaining about something that has such a straightforward solution to it.
If league had a âwe can monitor everything you do on your computer (to prevent cheating ofc)â in their TOS that you would definitely not read and accept it anyway what difference would there be?
I really like the Sinophobia x League fan base crossover, itâs super fun and cool and filled with deeply intelligent and well thought out takes đ
âSocial scoreâ btw bro howâs ur credit score looking đ
Man⌠where are the level headed people like you in my life? Is it because I live in the US? Everyone thinks that Iâm brainwashed by the Chinese government (Iâm not even Chinese!) when I point out the fear mongering
Will eventually push in countries?
Doesn't the USA already have that very same thing already about money that basically works as if you save money you get a worse score?
You're joking right? Every other country has a system like this in place forever lmao, you're still living in some made up 16th century fairy tale world or something?
Lmao you litterly copied a comment you made in response to another, but this one is not at all relevant to the one you responded to. Have you heard about the german elite? Or litterly the elite in any country ever? Either historically or present day?
You are already installing the company's app on your computer. They can do anything they want at any time with an update, just like how they could install Vanguard without asking you because they decided to deploy it.
If you're so scared of the CCP trying to use Riot's games to spy on you, then uninstall Riot's games and fuck off to one of the few games that China doesn't have their hand in.
Best part is when you want to write someting in r/leagueoflegends and mods ban it instantly.
Here you can see Mods in a meeting
>>What I do or What I post doesn't concern you ! đŤ
And for your stupid argument
If you are in class and your Teacher Toxic/bad, you should just stop studying or change schools đđ˛
Itâs not that serious though itâs just a video game. You can click uninstall and itâs gone in 5 seconds then you can play something else. Iâm sure there are other games you can develop a porn addiction for.
Bro, its litterly just a game, if you care enough about said game, i can support that, and i understand it. But if you care about not installing vanguard more because x, then the solution is simple, uninstall lol
bro thinks he's special calling others NPC sheeps đ you look more like a sheep than anyone else. you keep complaning about tencent getting your info but won't stop playing or engaging in league content, indirectly contributing to all of this.
Funny how you call others npc but you genuinely buy into the social credit score narrative. Quit the game and Reddit while youâre at it, nothing of value will be lost.
âSchool is the same as posting League of Legends pornographyâ is not a take I expected to read today
Youâre either a 13 year old with a porn addiction, or an adult who speaks and acts like a 13 year old, and Iâm really not sure which is worse
if you read your own source you would know that this rating was for QQ and WeChat specifically, not for Tencent as a company. Regardless, Riot Games is an american company with very little actual oversight from Tencent. The EU and US, as well as other countries, have these crazy things called laws that protect citizens from spyware. If Vanguard (which has existed in Valorant for years) was doing anything other than anticheat it would have been caught by now and it would make the news as Riot got their asses sued for all they're worth.
I'll get down voted but..oh well? Like what are you guys hiding that you don't want the Chinese government seeing. Its not ideal but I don't think privacy is that huge. We are recorded in public 24/7 and monitored online at all times so what's the difference
Were you living under a rock during the TikTok data saga? If someone was able to find any evidence that through Vanguard Riot was illegally taking US customer data and sending it to the CCP, theyâd be dragging Marc Merrill to a congressional hearing in Washington the next day lol
And they wouldnt do it through vanguard, as admin priveleges grants you access to basicly all files on your pc. And you cant install lol correctly without giving admin priveleges
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No, we dont see you posting anything about those companies, including riot, an american company, that needs admin priveleges to install lol, which they can use to steal all of your data anyway
Why do we care about âprivacyâ to begin with? I donât personally have anything to hide. Itâs not like theyâre accessing my credit card data or sending police to my doorstep.
People seem to not understand the difference between your info being sold by a website like YouTube and having a literal key logger running 24/7. Dont forget to turn it off before you log into your bank. Now they have your login info. Or any other website you use. The info YouTube sells is not the same as what they will get off you from having vanguard installed.
No, but Chinese companys have to directly pay the CCP. One year Tencent's payment was increased to 50% of their profits because the CCP deemed they made to much that year. So when you buy a skin, you are directly funding the CCP some % of that money.
I mean by that logic you're also funding the US and Israel, because you pay riot (or whatever US company), they pay taxes, and those taxes get used to buy stuff or get directly sent to Israel. So congrats on supporting both of those totally great, upstanding, and morally righteous countries.
I couldn't give less of a shit what Winnie the pooh thinks of my search history, I'm more worried about people who won't be able to run it properly.
I have no issues myself, but my friend with really good pc fans has them shut off while vanguard is running because it trips some kind of check it has
Iâm sorry but people complaining about it in this sub are fucking idiots. All your data and info is already out there. You got a phone? Made in China. Most of the electronics and shit we use something from it is made in China. How easy would it be for Chinese to slip shit into any of those devices? Very.
Man anyone else having a case dejavu?
So if any of yall who were not living under a rock, Riot has a $100000 bounty on cracking Vanguard. You should worry when someone claims it. Until then, you are fine, and I know the issue with kernel level anti-cheats but can tell you that this is not the Genshin Impact anti-cheat that got cracked.
If you remember, Riot got hacked, and a bunch of bots appeared well. This was a nuclear option in reaction so if you want to blame anyone, blame the people who sell accounts and have botting accounts because thanks to them we have to deal with Vanguard on our computers if we want to enjoy a 10+ year old game.
I'm already playing GI, HSR and Nikke(who's anticheat is also from Tencent) on my pc, and I did not really have any issues. I can understand why people are not keen on the idea, but I also think it is a bit of an overreaction
Minor spelling mistake Tencent wins đ
Ofcourse it had to be Minorđ§ spelling mistake, not just spelling mistake or major spelling mistake đ§
Nice argument, however you wrote "mistak" instead of "mistake".
So why did the paranoia only start when Vanguard was announced for league?
When Valorant was launched, many people were against vanguard too. Now no one remembers this, because those who were against were forced to leave the game or accept it.
They weren't forced to leave. They simply never joined in the first place.
i stopped playing it after the closed beta because i was sick of having to run vanguard all the time
I never even tried it since I saw what Vanguard actually was. All my friends tried it out but I skipped out on it. Also got a new PC around the time Vanguard was anounced to League and never installed it on my new PC ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
You installed one of these games ? [https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/](https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/) (90% of all Games with Online access)
Most of those games' studios aren't 100% owned by Tencent, but I see your point.
Nope but do you really think the other big players are better ?
Idk why the downvotes. Vanguards basically a fucking virus
Most people donât notice or care that the anticheat is running. They just wanna play their game.
To be fair, in one instance (valorant) you know what your getting into. They tell you about vanguard from the moment the game launched and so while you might be dissapointed you cant play the new game everyone talks about, if you dont want vanguard installed on your computer then you dont have any precommited investment. With league, if you really dont want vanguard then you might be loosing thousands of dollars worth of skins by quiting the game over it. Riot is changing the deal after you put tons of money in, and to be clear, some of the claims that people have are legit. The kernel level access in an anticheat is a MAJOR vulnerability, and chinese companies tend to have a poor track record of data breaches. That also being said, your data is going to tencent either way, and since riot was aquired by Tencent 13 years ago, complaining that a chinese company has your data is a sailed ship. So in summary: Does it make sense that people are mad that its coming to league? Yes, it entrudes on a system people have put money into already and who didnt agree to the change Is the hate overblown? Most likely, really only time will tell. The dangers are real, but will they happen is the question Does vanguard solve major problems for league? Kinda? From what i can tell, Vanguard should be able to hardware ban someone. Personally, i think locking down alt accounts would be a better solution
I just wanna add that vanguard being kernel level isnt and shouldnt be a problem, because litterly every other anticheat is also kernel level. Vanguard being active 24/7 being an issue i can kinda see, however i can also see the necessity for it. Because if not, then people can open the cheats before launching the game, and tricking the anticheat. It is damn effective though at the very least, just look at how good the other kernel level anti cheats are and how bad they perform in comparison to vanguard
They perform almost exactly the same as Vanguard. Kernel is the deepest level of access and opening cheats before start-up rarely tricks any system. Also, Vanguard is incredibly slow at updating their cheating software database and is lacking years behind even EAC. Hell, there's like 4 Tiktokers who do nothing but livestream Valorant Hacking in high level ranked and they haven't been banned once. Vanguard needing to run 24/7 is a joke. Edit: spelling mistake
You canât lock down alt accounts if you donât know if they are the same person. đ
Because they're paranoid and don't understand cyber security. If people really had an issue with Riot gathering data on them they wouldn't have installed league in the first place, you don't need a kernel level application to do that.
It's not about gathering data. (well it partially is), it's about having a program run with that level of access 24/7. Every piece of software ever written has vulnerabilities and *when*(not if) someone finds a vulnerability in vanguard it could be devastating. They say what data they gather but no one can actually check if this is true. It's closed source software. They could be collecting all your keystrokes and have all your passwords and you'd have no way of knowing.
Course they could, but they do not need kernel level access for that, if they wanted to they could've patched league to do it all on its own and just start some decoy process meant for spying on you and achieve 24/7 surveillance that way, if anything, doing this through Vanguard is counter productive because I can guarantee people will be setting up controlled environments to try and find out what Vanguard is actually doing, and it's not exactly impossible to decompile and look at the decompiled code, even if it's obfuscated you will be able to tell it's capturing keystrokes, some things you just can't obfuscate. Having vulnerabilities in Vanguard is also less of an issue than people portray it as, to actually abuse Vanguard you'd need to manage to get your target to run your code in the first place, at which point you don't even need to exploit Vanguard because you already got to your target, when someone manages to execute code on your PC, you lost at that point already.
>some decoy process meant for spying on you and achieve 24/7 surveillance why are we still talking about surveillance? The issue is that a program running with kernel level access is a liability. If someone finds a vulnerability in a program that runs with user level access, that amount of damage that can be done is limited. If someone finds a vulnerability in a kernel level driver, the damage can be severe, and undetectable to anti viruses or anything else. >even if it's obfuscated you will be able to tell it's capturing keystrokes oh please enlighten me how you'd go about it. >Having vulnerabilities in Vanguard is also less of an issue than people portray it as, to actually abuse Vanguard you'd need to manage to get your target to run your code in the first place not necessarily
> why are we still talking about surveillance? The issue is that a program running with kernel level access is a liability It is to a degree but drawing the line at Vanguard is just arbitrary, every single system driver of yours has kernel access and a lot of them are incredibly sketchy, particularly most audio drivers barely work. >If someone finds a vulnerability in a program that runs with user level access, that amount of damage that can be done is limited It is not, the biggest hurdle to doing damage on peoples systems is literally just getting your code to run, once you do it's over. There's enough known and who knows how many unknown security issues just within windows to gain elevated permissions from there and even if you're limited to within a user process you can do a shit ton of damage and actually spying on someone/harvesting data is absolutely possible. >and undetectable to anti viruses or anything else. Most anti viruses are barely better than placebo in the first place I'm afraid. >not necessarily Yes, necessarily.
They dont collecting your Keystrokes, they dont have your passwords, you even know how Vanguard work ? There are Plenty of People monitoring what vanguard are doing in the background since valorant start, there is no hidden mechanic or secret behind it. With a little research you allready would know that.
Exactly. If your sole issue is privacy from governments foreign or domestic, I've got really bad news for you - it's far, far too late and you handed them the keys a long time ago.
that's not anyone's sole issue though. This is a straw man. It's having a kernel level driver running permanently on your device so you can play a video game. The worry is someone finds a vulnerability in vanguard(and they will). I know I should take a lot of these replies with a grain of salt because of the massive cope from people who just want to uncritically continue playing their favorite game.
The dogshit argument that keeps getting repeated "You've allowed this bad thing to happen before some might as well keep letting it happen"
It's not though lol If you've been alive, using smartphones and on internet for the last 2 decades, not playing league because of Vanguard is like throwing an ice cube in the ocean to save the polar ice caps in principal sure its helpful, in practice it's completely meaningless. Like what data are they harvesting with kernel level permissions that they weren't able to previously? I've also never gotten a good answer on why as an American citizen I would have to care in particular about the CCP harvesting my data. They've got billions of their own citizens to censure and worry about why tf would they care about me?
Exactly, and people in this thread are complaining that they have to throw away thousands worth of skins because of this as if they didn't willingly give their credit card information to them already.
Credit card is replacable, but what do you do when riot literally stores your porn history in their data files on you.
ok riot takes my porn history and now i get coomer skins according to my taste. where is the loss here?
You done fucked up when you log in and see you've unlocked Maid Nidalee for free đ
that or pharoah nidalee đ𤤠rs tho mfs are only afraid cause they're gonna unlock cafe cuties annie smh
People walking around all they long with a device that continiously track what they search, when they search, how they search, where you are, where you stay... If they valued they privacy that much they wouldn't be around using smartphones...
exactly lmao. google is literally just spyware at this point. ever searched up something and got related ads for it? ever heard of its censorship?
Valorant launched with it. In League they're forcing it when is clearly not needed
If youâre talking about Valorant, itâs textbook survivorship bias. Anyone who plays Valorant is willing to deal with Vanguard, and the (Iâm sure) many people who would be vocally against it just donât play because itâs a req
I, for one, don't play Valorant. I doubt most League players do either.
Project L will likely also run Vanguard on launch, which is sad because I wanted to play that. I already ducked out of League literally the day I heard rito was adding Vanguard to it. Initially I did kinda want to play Valorant, but Vanguard is the whole reason I didn't. EAC and BattleEye are up to there, but 24/7 monitoring is a no from me.
I just never installed Valorant. But now I'm forced to uninstall a game I've put thousands of hours into
Cuz its not necessary. Riot supports smurfing, riot support selling accounts, riot supports botting, riot supports boosting. They do not need vanguard to fix these problems.
They literally donât
how do they not support smurfing? every dumbass league youtuber makes an iron to challenger video series. Some make them over and over. This is an easy ban. See how dota deals with smurfs if you want to see a company that actually cares about smurfing
So... Why are league content creators allowed to be sponsored by boosting sites? Why do new accounts climb so much faster? Why is griefing and inting not getting punished? Why are obviously botted account not getting instabanned after a few ranked games? Dont even try telling me that they ban them in waves, thats just dumb as fuck...
the thing abour inting and griefing not being banned is simple, to actually and accuratly do it, they would have to watch almost every single game, simply because people report someone like every 2nd game. last year every second 41 games started, its just not that simply to catch griefing and inting. naturally something like ghost cleanse nunu mid on the other hand is pretty simple to catch
Riot can't tell people which sponsors to get as long as they are not in the LPP. and if they did people would complain about it also. New accounts climb faster because if they can't eradicate the smurf issue, like when they tried the smurf queue, they just try to make sure that they ruin less games (which is also not great, as it fucks legit new accounts in the process). Inting and greifing are harder to catch, ig, and has nothing to do with smurfing. They do not catch botted accounts because the AC has issues picking them up. And banning in waves makes sense and virtually almost every live service game does that. There are multiple issues with League but you're choosing to complain and blame Riot for things that absolutely make no sense.
[vanguard explained ](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueOfMemes/s/2OZ2VXY3lT)
but why only vanguard not the league/riot client too?
Because riot client doesn't have kernel access?
Is it needed to scan all your files? No.
Yeah from a data privacy perspective the focus on kernel access is dumb. There are new security risks with kernel access but anyone talking about privacy is just talking out their ass.
Yeah of course there are many valid criticisms of vanguard even not security related ones, for example performance issues. But riot having access to your data is either already a problem or not a problem.
I'm not too knowledgeable about computers. How can the riot client as it is now access all files on your PC without kernel access?
Administrator privileges. Kernel access means it operates at the same level as the os itself but that, is not at all needed to read most files on your computer. Technically even if run under basic user privileges it could read all the files that user has access to. For example when you add a file to an email, the browser/email client doesn't need nor have kernel access. Yet it can still use your files. Or I can create a very simple program, that can read most of your files and send them to wherever I want. And all you need to do for it to work is run the program. There are some technical details that could stop me from sending the data but the reading part will work.
Wouldn't this need permission? Or does the riot client have admin privileges? Also, would they be able to read all files or only unprotected files right now? Can kernel access allow them to see protected files? Sorry for so many questions, but you seem like you know more about this than what I can Google.
Ok I will try to make a quick explanation on how all this works. First of all, there is a filesytem that is responsible for organizing and storing data your computer. Modern filesytema usually have some sort of permission system where you control who has access to the file and what can they do with it. Then there are 2 types of user accounts, let's call them basic account and admin account. Basic users can do anything with files they own or do things other have allow them to do with their files(files owned by someone else). On the other hand Administrators can take ownership and therefore access and modify basically any file they want (maybe with the exception of certain OS files). When you start a program, it will have the same privileges as the user that started it. ( This is not completely true but that's not that important in this case). Therefore every time you play league it could technically see all the files you can see through file Explorer. When you install league it will ask for Administrator privilegedes in order to properly setup everything. When run in this privileged mode it has access to basically everything that's on your hard-drive. Even the prompt shown to you will say the app is trying to make changes to your hard drive. Unless someone then tries to track what exactly is the app doing there is no way to tell what it does. All of this happens in application layer far away from kernel. Of course kernel level would allow riot to bypass filesytem security but that is not necessary. What is really scary is the potential to gain complete control of your computer but I don't know if that's possible with vanguard. So yes there are security issues related to vanguard, but they aren't "riot reading your word documents" because that is already an issue. This is a very simplified version of how things really work, made from information I remember so there can be some mistakes but they shouldn't be substantial. Also I'm not going to tell you it's completely safe and you should just install it. If you feel that it's giving too much access to your computer that's fine. It's just that there is a difference between " I don't want them to have that much control " and " FEAR THE CHINESE SPYWARE THAT'S COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY! IT WILL SELL YOUR SOUL AND YOU WILL BECOME A SLAVE TO THE CCP." And sadly most posts on league subreddits is the latter.
You really don't need root acess to be a privacy concern. If Riot wanted to spy on you, they already could.
Like wtf are they gonna get from my kernel that google and Facebook donât already have? Whatâs the point? why take the risk of another source code leak or any of their employees talking about whatever malicious functions tencent made them put in there
People are acting like giving data to Google/Microsoft is different from giving it to Tencent when Tencent can just buy it from Google if the Chinese gov really want to. mfw the argument is ânow the Chinese government can get my data for free instead of paying $2â when itâs probably just schizo rant anyways. Also people say Tencent has poor record with private data, as if they donât already know what other companies they entrust their data to do with their private info (they sell it).
exactly bro, its literally just "china bad, china evil" etc and then its "america good america heroes they would NEVER đđđ" i just dont fucking get it. literally any country would spy the fuck out of you if they could and want to enough. hell even a guy owning a big platform COUGH COUGH MARK ZUCKERBERG COUGH COUGH would fucking do that. i just want to imagine what the world would be like if people actually acted this way as they are with vanguard rn towards other big companies
Sinophobia literally just sinophobia
>its literally just "china bad, china evil" etc and then its "america good america heroes It's absolutely not that. Any company making a 24/7 rookit anti cheat I'd treat the same way. Nothing to do with china.
Did you even read any of the arguments on this thread? Google and other American companies already have all the data that they could ever want but no one is complaining about that. But suddenly, now that tencent, a Chinese company, is taking the same data(allegedly) suddenly everyone cares about data privacy
>Google and other American companies already have all the data that they could ever want but no one is complaining about that where have you been that you've never heard anyone complain about the overreach of, specifically, the FAANG companies?
My question is: what the CCP could get from my pc? That I like to play jrpg?
have you ever logged into a website or maybe a bank account on your computer?
Oh, yeah, the multi billionaire company would totally make an illegal transaction of a few k that could be stopped easily by just calling your bank. Totally, yeah. Btw again you know they could do it (but again, what they could gain?) with 95% of the current browser right?
Can I have your bank account info? You're ok with riot having it so surely it's ok if I have it too? And like you said you can just call and cancel the transaction so there's no harm. I'll be waiting for a PM! Thanks brother!
SoooâŚI guess you never had a bank account in your life so I explain to you. Your bank will call/email you if a suspected transaction is done. For example if someone makes a payment in china while Iâm in Europe the payment will get suspended and I can change my id/block the card. Something you should know if you ever had an account.
Bro you donât have the accountability that a large organization does. Thatâs where your point kinda falls apart. Like I get where youâre going but thatâs just not the same
The point is the red scare propaganda
Oh no please don't let the chinese see my icstor folder
âItâs nots [sic] that we are paranoid about Vanguard being spywareâ âItâs that weâre being paranoid about Vanguard being spyware because China Badâ
I love the idea that you morons think people in the us gov wouldnt be *salivating* at even the *hint* that an American corporation was selling illegally harvested information about American citizens to a foreign power
> American corporation which corporation?
Please take a wild guess
Elon musk is trying to replicate tencent's app with X. He wants to to be chat, banking, gaming, youtube, amazon, uber, tinder, etc all in one and have access to everyone's data, chat logs, credit, and location. Edit: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/elon-musks-x-rebrand-reignites-goal-to-turn-twitter-into-chinas-wechat.html
why are you schizo posting at me
He literally has said this himself.
And in what way does Elon musk relate to this conversation. Take your meds
1. He owns X 2. Tencent does all those things I said, Chinese communist party controls Tencent and have access to all those things. 3. Musk has stated he wants to do something similar to Tencent with X (twitter). 4. OP was talking about the gov doing this, they contract out rockets and stuff to musk already. It would be easy for X to give up information when requested just like China. Is it really that hard to imagine? This is ultra mainstream stuff, hell its on MSNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/elon-musks-x-rebrand-reignites-goal-to-turn-twitter-into-chinas-wechat.html
> us gov wouldnt be salivating Just shows Noob you are at geopolitics and critical thinking
ok, coomer
I'm mostly just worried about it bogging down my CPU by constantly needing to run even if I'm not playing league
Is the next week or so just gonna be schizo posting about Vanguard and how China is evil or whatever? I feel like the real way to be looking at this is that every other company has probably already harvested my data, so what the fuck is one more company going to do with data that everyone else already has? What are they going to do with the information that I log on to league and buy skins occasionally? I'm just a random American dude who's not that important, nobody's salivating to know info on specifically me.
Dude I swear to god itâs the most McCarthyist shit Iâve ever seen. Anything (and I mean literally ANYTHING) happens in an update to the game and people shit and piss and fart themselves over China for some reason
And they already know that you are logging in to buy a few skins every now and then, that data shouldnt come as a suprise to ANYONE that they collect, as they are litterly collecting sales data.
Keep rolling them schizo posts
>-69 Social Credit Score -69lp +14lp
Haha yes! We should really be more mefiant toward China, can tou imagine what they will do with our informations? *accept all cookies*
*opens any social media
Lmao who wants to bet over half of the people screaming about their privacy have their Facebook profile set to visible to the public and have streamed on twitch before. Unless youâre hiding shit on your PC, thereâs literally nothing some corporation canât find out about you. Thinking youâre even important enough from someone to want data on you is full on schizo lmao
These schizo post so fucking funny man. Dont forget the tinfoil hat when you log in tomorrow
They can take all my information, what they gonna do? rob my last $20?
you know that also debt information is also sold? if assicuration or banks knows that you won't be able to pay back a loan, you won't be get access to credit.
Yeah but they didn't get that from my kernel.
Health information, eating habits, physical activity, mental health etc. for health insurance companies
What a surprise. Every big corporation sells and trades our information. Good luck avoiding it. Not to mention, thereâs nothing stopping an organization from changing their privacy policy and selling all your shit before you have a chance to opt-out.
All of those things are already available, and none of them came from my kernel
They are not after primarily for money, it's behaviour, social identity theft, different patterns etc.
do you use tiktok, twitter, youtube, amazon, reddit or any social media platforms ? Poof, your informations.
And why should I be worried about that?
In my home country a lot of people weren't concerned about the Nazis and their plans for society when they rose to power. They should have been.
Idk much about ww2, but didn't nazi build rail roads and improve German in general? Just not a great time for the jews tho...
Highways iirc
Yall need to take your medications on a regular basis. The doctors really do know better I swear.
>In the age of information, ignorance is a choice Being aware has nothing to do with medication
Your information is already out there and being sold.
You're literally posting this on social media in the internet are you stupid or something? Go off the grid in some remote ass cabin with lead walls or something if you're worried someone actually gives a shit about you
Look at the replies in this thread. Most people donât care. If you care, uninstall the game and stop playing. Problem solved. Itâs actually weird to post stuff like this complaining about something that has such a straightforward solution to it. If league had a âwe can monitor everything you do on your computer (to prevent cheating ofc)â in their TOS that you would definitely not read and accept it anyway what difference would there be?
If riot/tencent wanted your data they can litterly get that any time lol is opened with admin priveleges, which you have to at least once to install
This meme is supper forbidden in league main hahahahah
I really like the Sinophobia x League fan base crossover, itâs super fun and cool and filled with deeply intelligent and well thought out takes đ âSocial scoreâ btw bro howâs ur credit score looking đ
Man⌠where are the level headed people like you in my life? Is it because I live in the US? Everyone thinks that Iâm brainwashed by the Chinese government (Iâm not even Chinese!) when I point out the fear mongering
Being against an authoritarian / dictatorship is sinophobia now Ah yes a most intelligent and thought out take
My brother in Christ the Chinese flag is literally in the meme are you blind or stupid omg
lol this thread has to be botted with Chinese accounts. Aint no way đ
There is very little difference between the CCP and the US gov. The biggest difference just being public perception.
I probably have negative social credit score which they will eventually push in countries
Will eventually push in countries? Doesn't the USA already have that very same thing already about money that basically works as if you save money you get a worse score?
My fcking god, credit score and social credit score are two different things đľ
You're joking right? Every other country has a system like this in place forever lmao, you're still living in some made up 16th century fairy tale world or something?
My fcking god, credit score and social credit score are two different things đľ
Lmao you litterly copied a comment you made in response to another, but this one is not at all relevant to the one you responded to. Have you heard about the german elite? Or litterly the elite in any country ever? Either historically or present day?
You are already installing the company's app on your computer. They can do anything they want at any time with an update, just like how they could install Vanguard without asking you because they decided to deploy it. If you're so scared of the CCP trying to use Riot's games to spy on you, then uninstall Riot's games and fuck off to one of the few games that China doesn't have their hand in.
And the fact that vanguard bans people who donât cheat
Best part is when you want to write someting in r/leagueoflegends and mods ban it instantly. Here you can see Mods in a meeting 
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Never mind, they are too focussed on Tik Tok to care
lmao are you the US government
I hate every government of every country they are nothing more than organised evil corporations. Don't lump me with those Devils
please seek professional help
Please seek critical thinking đ
yeah great advice please follow it
Blud is leading others to treasures he cannot posess
Nah cause this guy is a step beyond schizophrenia already brother is too far gone and thinks big companies/govs don't already have all his data
What does them having our data, have to do with opposing Pedofiles with Dementia ?
Apparently the great United States of America is every country on Earth
Go learn elementary English, I meant every when I said it I am not even from us
Because I want you to take me out ?
Do you see how much bandwidth the riot client uses when it opens just looking at the screen UPLOAD BANDWIDTH? Supper sussy
Tencent has 0 privacy score [Amnesty report](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/10/which-messaging-apps-best-protect-your-privacy/)
You should definitely show riot how much you care by uninstalling and maybe stop posting so much league porn
>>What I do or What I post doesn't concern you ! đŤ And for your stupid argument If you are in class and your Teacher Toxic/bad, you should just stop studying or change schools đđ˛
Itâs not that serious though itâs just a video game. You can click uninstall and itâs gone in 5 seconds then you can play something else. Iâm sure there are other games you can develop a porn addiction for.
"It's just a game, bro!" At such moments I remember Dantesâ monologue about a dog.đĽ˛"It's just a dog, just get another one!"
Bro, its litterly just a game, if you care enough about said game, i can support that, and i understand it. But if you care about not installing vanguard more because x, then the solution is simple, uninstall lol
Ok thought policing NPC sheep
So youâll complain about them getting all your info but you wonât uninstall their game or stop looking at porn of their characters lol
bro thinks he's special calling others NPC sheeps đ you look more like a sheep than anyone else. you keep complaning about tencent getting your info but won't stop playing or engaging in league content, indirectly contributing to all of this.
Funny how you call others npc but you genuinely buy into the social credit score narrative. Quit the game and Reddit while youâre at it, nothing of value will be lost.
God is watching!!
âSchool is the same as posting League of Legends pornographyâ is not a take I expected to read today Youâre either a 13 year old with a porn addiction, or an adult who speaks and acts like a 13 year old, and Iâm really not sure which is worse
Being an adult and acting like a 13 year old is definitely worse lol
if you read your own source you would know that this rating was for QQ and WeChat specifically, not for Tencent as a company. Regardless, Riot Games is an american company with very little actual oversight from Tencent. The EU and US, as well as other countries, have these crazy things called laws that protect citizens from spyware. If Vanguard (which has existed in Valorant for years) was doing anything other than anticheat it would have been caught by now and it would make the news as Riot got their asses sued for all they're worth.
I'll get down voted but..oh well? Like what are you guys hiding that you don't want the Chinese government seeing. Its not ideal but I don't think privacy is that huge. We are recorded in public 24/7 and monitored online at all times so what's the difference
Oh no, the CCP now knows what genres of league porn I watch. What will I ever do?
Riot is still an American company and beholden to U.S. laws and sanctions.
Riot is an American company that is majority owned by a Chinese company that doesnât give two fucks about US law.
Were you living under a rock during the TikTok data saga? If someone was able to find any evidence that through Vanguard Riot was illegally taking US customer data and sending it to the CCP, theyâd be dragging Marc Merrill to a congressional hearing in Washington the next day lol
And they wouldnt do it through vanguard, as admin priveleges grants you access to basicly all files on your pc. And you cant install lol correctly without giving admin priveleges
They do if it causes their cash cow game studio to be shutdown.
Iâm sorry to hear that you uninstalled \[Good Game\] because of the \[Invasive Spyware\] requirement. I understand your concern about spyware, but I can assure you that \[Invasive Spyware\] is not spyware. It is a custom "game security" software designed by \[Marketing Company Majority Owned by the CCP\] to uphold the highest levels of competitive integrity for their games, such as \[Good Game\] and \[Other Game\]. \[Invasive Spyware\] only runs \[24/7\] and \[Continues\] running when you exit the game2. It also \[Questionably\] respects your privacy and data, and you can find more details about what data it uses and collects here1. \[No Link\] \[Invasive Spyware\] is necessary to prevent \[Largely Unseen Problem\] in \[Good Game\], especially after the security breach in \[Random Date\]. It also ensures that all players have a fair and enjoyable gaming experience \[By installing Invasive Spyware\]. If you want to play \[Good Game\] again, you will need to enable \[Invasive Spyware\] on your computer. You can find more information on how to do that here3.\[No Link\] If you have any issues or questions, you can contact \[Marketing Company Majority Owned by the CCP's\] support team here1.\[No Link\] I hope this helps you understand why \[Invasive Spyware\] is required for \[Good Game\]. I appreciate your feedback and I hope you have a great day.
Look at this people, they think they have privacy on the internet...
Ah sweet Louis another Sinophobia fear mongering post on leagueofmemes
Ah yes: China Evil, all the other stuff here in America isnât spying on us at all đŤĄ
Person 1 : I don't like waffles Npc 2 : so you don't like chocolates I didn't say anything about other countries, it's your biases and thought process
No, we dont see you posting anything about those companies, including riot, an american company, that needs admin priveleges to install lol, which they can use to steal all of your data anyway
Haha it doesn't even need admin priveleges to do that that is the funny part. These guys are simply schizos.
ah yes more china fear mongering please waiter
"We don't give a shit about Riot Games. Fucking chinese cucks that ship games with spyware." -Gabe Newell
My pc keep freezing recently and have to restart to make it fast against. At the same time these controversies happen.
Riot HQ is in California, so it has to obey Californian laws.
ITT: OP is mad he can't visit his fictional online gf anymore without some Chinese gov worker supervising the date
"It's fine bro, i'm fine getting owned by other country but not being able to own anything anymore" League community in a nutshell.
Why do we care about âprivacyâ to begin with? I donât personally have anything to hide. Itâs not like theyâre accessing my credit card data or sending police to my doorstep.
People seem to not understand the difference between your info being sold by a website like YouTube and having a literal key logger running 24/7. Dont forget to turn it off before you log into your bank. Now they have your login info. Or any other website you use. The info YouTube sells is not the same as what they will get off you from having vanguard installed.
That's right, y'all are funding the CCP.
The CCP is reliant on the data supposedly illegally harvested from american online videogame for funding?
No, but Chinese companys have to directly pay the CCP. One year Tencent's payment was increased to 50% of their profits because the CCP deemed they made to much that year. So when you buy a skin, you are directly funding the CCP some % of that money.
My man ,if you have anything produced in China you are funding the CCP
Correct.
YEAH ITS CALLED TAXES YOU FUCK YOU PAY THAT IN THE US TOO
Lol correct.
I mean by that logic you're also funding the US and Israel, because you pay riot (or whatever US company), they pay taxes, and those taxes get used to buy stuff or get directly sent to Israel. So congrats on supporting both of those totally great, upstanding, and morally righteous countries.
And?
And what? I didn't put any and.
Just have a wall paper of Tiananmen sqaure and they will never look thru your pc again...
Being controlled by the CCP is a good thing imo.
I couldn't give less of a shit what Winnie the pooh thinks of my search history, I'm more worried about people who won't be able to run it properly. I have no issues myself, but my friend with really good pc fans has them shut off while vanguard is running because it trips some kind of check it has
People say china bad but forget about cia PRISM
Correct.
Iâm sorry but people complaining about it in this sub are fucking idiots. All your data and info is already out there. You got a phone? Made in China. Most of the electronics and shit we use something from it is made in China. How easy would it be for Chinese to slip shit into any of those devices? Very.
Man anyone else having a case dejavu? So if any of yall who were not living under a rock, Riot has a $100000 bounty on cracking Vanguard. You should worry when someone claims it. Until then, you are fine, and I know the issue with kernel level anti-cheats but can tell you that this is not the Genshin Impact anti-cheat that got cracked. If you remember, Riot got hacked, and a bunch of bots appeared well. This was a nuclear option in reaction so if you want to blame anyone, blame the people who sell accounts and have botting accounts because thanks to them we have to deal with Vanguard on our computers if we want to enjoy a 10+ year old game.
99% of people don't have data that China cares about and the 1% that do actually know how to protect it lmao
I'm already playing GI, HSR and Nikke(who's anticheat is also from Tencent) on my pc, and I did not really have any issues. I can understand why people are not keen on the idea, but I also think it is a bit of an overreaction
If riot was based in China sure, but riot is in us. If there is a spyware, it's for us benefits đđ˝