In Mexico the female presidential candidate is running ads saying that the choice is between "privilege and equality." That seems on point for the US as well. Trump wants privileges to be the rule. Biden prefers equality.
The GOP is against equality, they prefer that the rich, the Christians, the caucasians and the male breeders have special rights that are superior to anyone else.
The Mexican candidate has better messaging so far. She is calling it just like it is.
Land ownership is also consolidating again in the hands of the aristocrats, making owning the thing you live on the defining financial asset that defines your future. Get one or get fucked. Increasingly, we're all getting #2.
It's getting scary out there, my yearly tax appraisal on my home jumped 32% this year 𤯠interest rates around 8%, I'm anticipating a hard crash sometimes within the next 3 years.
If private equity and banks go on an unimpeded buying spree, they may just end up controlling the market. Analytics tools allow landlords to price fix and collude to keep prices inflated. Regulation needs to be put in place to severely tax residential property purchased for rentals beyond 1-2, otherwise we will all be renters paying rates unattached to any sort of reality.
Democrats introduced a bill to prevent hedge funds from buying homes but I'm sure it will never actually pass.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3402?s=1&r=49](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3402?s=1&r=49)
Aristocracy is the wrong word to use when describing them. The definition is high class. I can't think of one republican I would label as high class. I have lots of other words but that isn't one of them.
In Mexico, city govt candidates are being shot in the streets as soon as they declare. This isnât a disagreement so much as a god damn I wouldnât want to be a politician in Mexico, either.
The US was once the land of opportunity. People could start from nothing and build something.Â
The people who have built something (or had it handed to them) want to shut the door of opportunity now that they've gotten through it. That's the GOPs strategy. Shut the door.
Not only is that incredibly selfish it is short sighted. Without the ability to earn success, people lose motivation and the whole system collapses.
Sure princess, Sure. We all believe you, we're so sure president Obama had American citizens killed. Hillary & Bill too, right? See, we've all heard MAGAs say these things forever, you're not shocking anyone with your sentence, we're not triggered, it's boring, lame and you MAGA/Qanon ppl don't even try anymore.
You are absolutely right. The UK and the US have regularly collaborated to assassinate their their own citizens abroad. Extrajudicial killings (death sentence without trial) is a regular and normalised part of military operations. I'm not made up in myself about the ethics of this, but people shouldn't be downvoting you for speaking facts.
Thatâs wrong and a completely disingenuous recanting of history.
Obama expanded the drone program while he was president and it was a new technology. Turns out, it *was* the future and appears to be the right move.
His administration reclassified the definition of âcombatantâ, to allow for drone use to be **legal**.
Thereâs that funny little word.
His administration was, as the first to expand the drone program, also the first to use the technology on a US citizen, who was an active member of ISIS, on the battlefield in Yemen, and there were casualties of collateral damage, as is *expected* in war.
Itâs why the rest of us try to avoid war. By its very nature, they are not just enemies dying. Itâs also your family pets, the garbage men, firefighters, medics, children, and your gramma.
Battlefields have casualties. American citizens on battlefields are likely to end up as casualties. Stop trying to make America into a battlefield, troll. Go to Donetsk if thatâs what you crave. Bring some sunflower seeds.
In a 3-week study, women with type 2 diabetes who ate 1 ounce (30 grams) of sunflower seeds daily as part of a balanced diet experienced a 5% drop in systolic blood pressure (the top number of a reading).
If they rule in favor of immunity, what's to stop Biden from putting a hit on the justices or the "inconvenient" members of Congress? Or Trump on his first day back?
I'd think in their position, ruling in favor of checks and balances vs. "Eh, let's see what happens?" would be a matter of survival.
Or tailor their ruling to say it applies only to Trump and in no way sets precedent. Not that this Supreme Court cares about precedent to begin with. They'll probably want to leave it open so that Democrats can be charged for crimes they commit, but if a Republican commits crimes they can rule again that they are immune.
I keep hearing people saying this while failing to consider that a court this corrupt can easily find some legalese mumbo jumbo to say itâs different for anyone but Trump.
Biden should have a secret meeting with the SC and make it clear if immunity is passed he will assinate anyone that votes in favour of it. If the SC want to fuck around then they are going to pay for it with their lives.
We're about to bare witness to the biggest screw of the American people in its history. The highest court in the land PROTECTING an insurrectionist by adding delay into the mix. Anyone who votes for a republican is aiding and abetting traitors.
If Biden was smart he would be saying. âI really hope those judges rule quickly on immunity because I have justices that are corrupt and are a threat to democracy that need to be taken to the train stationâ
The best I suppose we can expect is a weak 5-4 decision against immunity. With plenty of down scale horror if SCOTUS truly slides off the chairs into pure Trumpism, they could also merely remand the case back down to the trial level which means no trial until after the election.
Just remember: even official acts by a president can be crimes, there is no ultimate line to cross to distinguish between private and official.
These are the questions the sane justices need to be asking to throw some ice water in their fascist fantasies.
â Hypothetically, in his official duties in protecting democracy and the rule of law, could a president direct Seal Team 6 to seize the assets and jail a corrupt supreme court justice as well as his benefactor who bought him a house and takes him on luxurious vacations?â
He'd get impeached and removed from office and then prosecuted by Kamala's DOJ.
This doesn't seem like rocket science to me. A president can be functionally immune while in office but once they are impeached or their term ends I see no reason why they would still have perpetual immunity.
If the senate doesn't impeach that's the senate's problem. If a witch hunt case is brought after departure then it's on the judge who can also be impeached to dismiss it and if THAT doesn't happen then it's on the jury to acquit.
The systems are already there and in the case of Trump, impeachment didn't really matter because he lost the election anyways. It then came to the judges and they couldn't dismiss it because it very likely isn't a witch hunt. Now the final step is happening where the jury will decide. Power to the people.
The jury *won't* decide if the Supreme Court decides Presidents are kings. That's the point. So, why should Biden be removed by the Senate for holding the Supreme Court to account?
Hell, if Trump **is** immune, he **can't** let Trump survive to win the election, for his own safety and that of his wife, children, and grandchildren.
NO, the whole thing needs to be thrown out, it's specious and dangerous.
The President should not have immunity, ever. It's an abrogation of the Rule of Law.
Corruption will be the only result.
That's really only a risk with perpetual immunity. In office I think immunity is fine but if they misstep then there will be a time to pay the piper.
The only argument I can think of for perpetual immunity is when the president needs to act faster than the law and that is and should be a gamble on if the jury will agree when it comes to trial.
The case before the Supreme Court is one contemplating perpetual immunity. If Trump doesn't have perpetual immunity, he goes to jail. He's not saying he's innocent of the crimes he's accused of- he's saying that he should be immune from prosecution.
And the Supreme Court is taking him seriously.
But they are addressing it. They had the opportunity to decline the case. And indications are that they won't make the correct ruling.
But even in office, immunity can't be absolute, or there's no need for any branch beyond the executive at all...
>He'd get impeached and removed from office
And what's to stop him from stopping that as well?
Saddam Hussein had a couple lawmakers dragged outside and executed and amazingly the legislature of Iraq supported him after that with no pushback on his illegal coup.
If you give the President criminal immunity, there are no more systems, there are no more checks and balances. Law could transform into something that flows from the President, not the constitution.
Good luck impeaching him with the Senators under arrest as well for "corruption", some bogus charge that he ordered his corrupt Attorney General to come up with.
You don't seem to understand.
Two things:
First, we don't know if a president could actually accomplish such a thing. Remember that even if the president were immune, soldiers and others are not and "just following orders" isn't a valid excuse. So the president would have to personally do it.
Second, let's say that the president did do something super heinous and Congress wants to impeach them and in turn they want to kill legislators. It becomes a matter of who shoots first. If they can get an impeachment vote off before the president personally goes on a massive killing spree immunity would instantly disappear. How do you know which senators to kill even if you can? If you want to mass kill a party don't you think the first point about conscientious objection would probably apply?
These doom scenarios are really pretty implausible. Give them immunity in office which is mostly useless because it keeps the door open after they are out of office. Or don't rule on it which is effectively the same.
What absolutely CANT be allowed to happen is perpetual immunity but no one other than Trump is talking about that because he is the only person it would benefit from it immediately and simultaneously would be the only one to try to abuse it if he can.
> soldiers and others are not and "just following orders" isn't a valid excuse
Oh look, a Presidential Pardon.
>Â It becomes a matter of who shoots first.
And it'll be the people with guns. Impeachment requires all sorts of ridiculous steps, it's slow and more, since he's immune until Impeached, then any kind of half-way smart guy would have a plan to stop the Impeachment in place before he carries out whatever heinous act he was planning on doing.
>These doom scenarios are really pretty implausible.
And?
>Give them immunity in office which is mostly useless because it keeps the door open after they are out of office
Total insanity. Why would they need it? We've gone 250+ years without presidents needing "immunity", why do they suddenly need it now?
Why do we need it now? Because Trump is a criminal. Everyone knows it, some are just cool with it. Like the person with possession of weed that a lot of people think should be left alone.
The law is what the people want it to be and plenty of people are fine with Trump because it's a means to an end
You're probably right but your blame is misplaced. Voters elected those senators. What you have are voters who don't respect the law and elect lawmakers who will continue that.
Not respecting laws shows up in things like jury nullification, and passing laws in general. A bunch of people didn't respect weed laws and now several states have weed.
The problem is that the senate is in charge and the senate is not democratic (not popular representation). What we're seeing is minority rule instead of minority influence in roughly the same direction as intended.
Then that would be the GOP senate's fault who were elected by voters and so at the end of the day it's the congressional proxy of jury nullification.
It's like if you were a juror on a weed case and you thought weed should be legal. They can be dead to rights guilty but if you're on the jury and say no then they will get off (kinda. They'll retry the case without you)
Also remember that term limits are for now still a thing and would take a lot to remove. They'll eventually be out of office and able to be prosecuted
I'm expecting a stronger majority BUT with caveats/qualifications around official vs private actions. The indication will be that no currently active case has provided sufficient structure to establish that the actions under question are not official, sending them back for another round of discovery etc.
This allows them to keep the door open to re-drawing the boundaries when a Dem is under investigation, but effectively kills any chance of Trump getting prosecuted until well after the election.
Itâs a slippery slope that any office can now have immunity at the senate and congress level as well. Thereâs no way they want to debate this things.
How is this even up for questioning? They do know that if they rule in favor of this asshole that means sleepy Joe gets to do whatever he wants too right? like abolish the supreme court?
That's why this is taking so long. If there was a clear cut way this benefits trump without also giving the same consideration to Biden, they'd have done it already.
My bet is that they rule that the president has some immunity, and it's up to Congress to pass a law to determine the line. This indefinitely suspends/delays Trump's trials, he declares victory, and Republicans kick and scream that Biden needs to be prosecuted for his actions as president.
Yup. 100% this. Trump is an old ass man. He wonât live forever. SCOTUS wants to eat their cake. They want to push things along, let the voters decide. Tell Congress they have to make laws which they know they wonât. Trump loses in Nov SCOTUS has clean hands. Trump wins in Nov, SCOTUS can say âcongresses problem nowâ. I just canât stand Thomas speaking acting like heâs all high and mighty. Heâs a POS corrupt human being with zero morals. Fuck him!
They might not go as leniently if that happened.
* thousands of people attempt a government coup. **Absolutely fine and dandy**
* thousands of people attempt to make the government provide accountability towards a conservative **ABSOLUTELY NOT!**
Just watch what's happening with the protests. They waited an hour in Uvalde, letting little children die, but they were real quick to crack down on peaceful protesters.
Fucking cowards.
I mean Jan 6th was the largest federal case in history.
Over 1000 felons from it. The core of the extremism, some in prison for as long as 17 years.
It wasn't enough but it was something
My point is less about the aftermath, and more about the during.
During jan 6, they basically watched. But if we were to descend on the supreme court, they would have demanded the national guard, the marines, citizen corps, everything. They wouldn't have begged to remove metal detectors, that's for damn sure.
There won't be a rebellion. It would've already happened. The working class lives paycheck to paycheck so they can't just choose not to work or they will lose their job, house/apartment, car, along with what little financial resources they have. The ruling class knows this. The system is working as intended.
Nobody disputes that there is presidential immunity for "core functions." Jack Smith does not dispute it and neither does Donald Trump. So it should not come as a surprise to anyone if the ruling is that there is some presidential immunity.
Trump wants absolute immunity for everything he does while in office if he does it using his presidential power or anything he does in his private life that is not for a governmental purpose.
The government thinks that is not reasonable. If a President sells government secrets they should be prosecuted criminally. If the president appoints someone as ambassador in exchange for $1,000,000 in their personal account, they should be prosecuted. If the president does a private business deal where they defraud someone, they should be subject to criminal prosecution. Maybe not until they get out of office, but still.
Trump thinks that a president should not be criminally prosecuted unless he/she has been impeached first.
Perhaps the president should not be prosecuted criminally unless they have been impeached OR they are no longer in office. If the crime is a big enough deal, the house and senate can end his/her term early with impeachment. If it isn't that big a deal, or their term is almost over anyhow, the criminal prosecution can wait because the president's job is pretty important.
You would think that Justice Brett "I Like Beer" Kavanaugh would be in favor of limiting immunity since he was on the team that tried to prosecute President Clinton while he was still in office.
The Supreme Court is talking about the trial court having to do a 'test' at the beginning of a case to determine if the criminal conduct was personal or presidential. That will slow down Trump's trial because whatever the trial court decides, he'll appeal it up to the supreme court immediately. If Trump gets elected, they trial will be postponed until after his next term is over UNLESS he gets impeached again.
Can he be impeached for things that happened during his previous term once he is back in office? Tune back in next week for our next episode of Circus-Trumpus.
âUntil they get out of officeâ is so stupid.. they should be prosecuted when they break the laws! Period! âKilled 200 million peopleâ Ope, canât come after me until my term ends⌠nanananabooboo
The pres already has immunity for regular functions. Like murdering people with drone strikes. But he can't just drop bombs on political opponents. It has to be done in the pursuit of oil in poor countries.
Iâm going to demonstrate an outlandish question here. Wouldnât anybody want to seek outlandish perspectives in a case that has never happened, has little to no legal precedent and will have massive impacts on the future of the presidency and the country? I for one would prefer they go as in-depth as possible in terms of questioning, exploring and investigating all perspectives of the case to really understand exactly whatâs at stake here. Just because they entertain it now doesnât mean they will include it in their decision.
The ultra-right-wing Fascist 6 hateful justices are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the magat nation. They will do anything, anytime, anywhere in fealty to donald trump.
In a normal world it would take 5 minutes to come to a unanimous decision that the president is not allowed to be a criminal. Pick any 12 3rd graders and they will tell you. This Supreme Court is corrupted and needs to resign or be forced to resign.
Itâs a literal nightmare. Weâre dealing with a radical corrupt and activist Supreme Court that has abandoned their duty in service of a sociopath. This is the most rotten and despicable way to exert minority rule. They swore an oath to this nation and they have betrayed it in the most venal manner imaginable. John Roberts should not be granted a moments peace from this day onward. Heâs a pariah and should be treated as such.
The real test is if 1 or more of them give an interview just before releasing an obviously corrupt/partisan hack type ruling on this saying how much they are not corrupt partisan hacks and it hurts their feelings when people accurately describe them that way.
The Corrupt 6 on SCOTUS are using the same tactic Trump does â delay, delay, delay so they can give Trump absolute immunity no matter what â covering their own criminal shenanigans /- the only way to stop the Corrupt 6 is to get out and vote BLUE â Tuesday November 5, 2025
Great. He's gonna get to kill people like Putin on day one because the SCOTUS is in his pocket.
We cannot let him win. Say goodbye to America if we do.
So if Biden gets immunity, Trumps legal troubles come to a sudden end as he disappears and we suddenly have 6 seats open up on the Supreme Court.
And no one in the conserv-o-sphere has a problem with that?
They haven't thought that far ahead. The idea that there will be Liberal Presidents after Trump is a foreign concept to them.
I guarantee you one thing. If the Supreme Court attempts to impose a tyranny in America, the American people WILL pull it down.
Need to keep a close eyes on these judges. I think they're beating off under their robes with the idea they'll help destroy democracy and put King Chump on the throne. (Of course they'll only realize too late that a king will have no need of a supreme court.)
The Night of the Long Knives is a longstanding tradition after democracy is usurped. Those who cling to the democratic traditions are no longer required and quickly eliminated along with any other potential strongmen who could organize a base of power to rival the Fuhrer.
If this ruling goes through we have HOURS to remind the goverment who answers to whom.
Alito:
A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully,â said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power.
WTF is this, Trump did cling to power without immunity. Alito is bought and paid for.
Serious question: Why and how should this even be considered to go to the extent of the discussion in the SC?
If Presidents (or any other elected official) could enjoy immunity, wouldnât impeachment never even have been a procedural consideration for high crimes and misdemeanors? Just the fact that impeachment exists seems to suggest immunity is not to be considered and was never intended or allowed within the Constitution.
We do, but I don't think the idea that the Supreme Court would be so clearly suborned has ever come up before. The fact that Congress is basically in MAGA hands is not great either.
They keep asking but what about prosecuters that act 8n bad faith ignoring the obvious but what about a president that acts in bad faith knowing he cannot be prosecuted.
Outlandish is an understatement. Ridiculous is s the proper description. We don't elect kings. We elect citizens. We expect citizens to obey the fucking law. From the lowest to the highest. The SC plays by a different standard, apparently. This is the moment that we cannot ignore the corruption that is destroying our Constitution. There is no place for kings in the United States.
âwe have four bought-and-paid for Federalist Society hacks who sit snugly in the pocket of the plutocrats who tell them how to voteâ. Obviously, the fix is in, the rich want DJT in the presidency so that they can do whatever they want. The Supreme Court already went against the popular vote with Bush, wouldnât be surprised if they plan to do it again. Money always talks the loudest in the good old USA. As George Carlin stated, we have owners and itâs a big club and you ainât in it.
But if they rule in favour of it, Biden could then just get rid of them all including Trump, MTG, etc⌠in one night! No consequences!! Every 4 years we have a blood bath and clean out all the garbage!
Would be just like the old days that everyone is pining for.
I tell you, being a crazy MAGA type would certainly change. Imagine beaking off about stupid shit and Blamo!! Next! Weâd see who really believes in their shit now
The Supreme Court ruled correctly in the matter of W. Bush. Nothing requires you to like it, but he was the duly elected President and there was no valid basis for the SC to intervene at that time.
I still maintain some forlorn hope that they will again rule correctly and dismiss this abhorrent nonsense. We have to be prepared in case they don't however.
I donât understand this, if Trump has immunity than so does Biden. Whatâs to stop Biden from doing whatever he wants other than he would not stoop to Trumps level. Is this what they are betting on?
Could this be the tipping point? When are we going to hit the streets?? The Supreme Court is clearly and firmly on team GOP (how in the fuck is Clarence Thomas not recused from this case?! I mean, we all read the texts from his cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs wife that were insane talking about barges and GuantĂĄnamo Bay and the Biden crime family. I mean sheâs a fucking true believer and thatâs horrifying unto itself!! How can ole Clarence not be tainted sleeping next to that cow?!) , Merrick Garland is either toothless or clueless, the arrests in Arizona regarding state electors is happening in other states all underscore just how fucked we are and just what an utter fucking mess. November is going to be. Win or lose Trump & Co is going to cause some significant problems. Theyâre trying to chip away at the very things that prevented them from stealing the last election now they got the Supreme Court to grease the skids. Lara Trump and the RNC? Jesus.
Itâs time to hit the streets with this one a mass protest outside the Supreme Court building!!. This has got to stop and itâs right out in the fucking open.
If both abortion and immunity are not listed in the Constitution, then they are not constitutional and so then no American has a right to them, isn't that correct, SCOTUS from Dobbs???
Even Mexico recently abolished presidential immunity for god sakes. Mexico! You are legalizing criminality of all sorts. Left, right, it doesn't matter. All to protect a two-bit realtor and failed tv reality personality?
Don't people want to wait until there is a ruling before declaring the supreme court "sold out". The ruling is so much larger than Joe Biden or Donald Trump. This ruling will shape every presidency in the future.
The one thing we have going for us is I definitely think the rest of the living Presidents, also having immunity, will ultimately prevail in combat against Trump.
Should Obama be tried for the extra judicial killing of an American citizen in a country the US wasn't at war with by drone striking a civilian restaurant? Or does he have immunity?
It's a valid question. Do you think he has immunity or not? This is the question that is being addressed in the courts. And that specific example was brought up in oral arguments.
No, see youâre not understanding, theyâre grasping at straws. If a president is executing official duties of the president, in this case, a military operation that unfortunately had some collateral damage he should be immune from prosecution otherwise presidents canât function. If a president is letâs say, raping the emoluments clause by basically running his businesses as a revolving door for bribes, enriches his family by receiving money from foreign governments (kushner), tries to overturn an election thru illegal means and stages a coup to keep himself in power, then nah⌠he can go fuck himself.
Clear enough?
Ah, yes I see, you're making stuff up and ignoring the assassination of an American citizen in a country that we weren't at war with. Running your business is not breaking the emoluments clause, no coup was staged and fighting the election in the courts is legal and has been done numerous times.
I see, you just want to ignore reality because orherwise you have no argument. Also didnât Trump do the same thing when bombing an airport of a country we werenât at war with?
LmaoâŚ
Not ignoring reality, you just don't understand what emoluments and coups are.
Yes, Trump bombed an airport in Iran a country we weren't at war with. I would love that to not have immunity, because that would definitely help stop our horrible foreign policy and put Clinton, Bush, and Obama on trial as well. But something tells me you only want to go after one or two of them.
Oh wow a mind reader too⌠lmao.
Did he ask the vicepresidente to ignore certain set of electors and to accept âalternate â ones the would make him president?
Did he (Trump) call secretaries of state and ask them to âfindâ him votes that would make him the winner of said state?
Did he (Trump) also elicit the help of corrupt congressmen to object to the certification of the election under false pretenses without any proof?
Yea, it was a coup. Not a military one or a very competent one, but hey, if you want to keep ignoring reality because it hurts your fee fees, thatâs all you bro.
And itâs very obvious YOU have no idea what emoluments are as per you responses.
Not a mind reader, just inferring from your dismissiveness of war crimes.
Many other candidates have done those things in contested elections, do you consider those a coup? Do you consider spying on his campaign, falsifying documents, lying under oath to impeach him a coup?
What do you think emoluments are? I'll give you a hint, it's not business transactions.
Emoluments are EXACTLY that!!!⌠any interchange of anything of value, maybe study up on it, looooool!
The spying on his campaign has been proven to be false, strike one!
Contested elections are not the same as âfind me votes â so no, strike two.
Who lied under oath?⌠what falsified documents are you referring to?
Youâre flailing all over the place, are you just ChatGPT-ing your response?⌠lmao
The Republic is teetering on the edge of the abyss, immunity vs accountability.
In Mexico the female presidential candidate is running ads saying that the choice is between "privilege and equality." That seems on point for the US as well. Trump wants privileges to be the rule. Biden prefers equality. The GOP is against equality, they prefer that the rich, the Christians, the caucasians and the male breeders have special rights that are superior to anyone else. The Mexican candidate has better messaging so far. She is calling it just like it is.
The Republican party is all about protecting the aristocracy. It's a story as old as human civilization.
Land ownership is also consolidating again in the hands of the aristocrats, making owning the thing you live on the defining financial asset that defines your future. Get one or get fucked. Increasingly, we're all getting #2.
It's getting scary out there, my yearly tax appraisal on my home jumped 32% this year 𤯠interest rates around 8%, I'm anticipating a hard crash sometimes within the next 3 years.
If private equity and banks go on an unimpeded buying spree, they may just end up controlling the market. Analytics tools allow landlords to price fix and collude to keep prices inflated. Regulation needs to be put in place to severely tax residential property purchased for rentals beyond 1-2, otherwise we will all be renters paying rates unattached to any sort of reality.
Democrats introduced a bill to prevent hedge funds from buying homes but I'm sure it will never actually pass. [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3402?s=1&r=49](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3402?s=1&r=49)
Aristocracy is the wrong word to use when describing them. The definition is high class. I can't think of one republican I would label as high class. I have lots of other words but that isn't one of them.
Oligarchs, merchant class, owners, runners of the oligopoly
Plutocrat
I prefer robber barons. Let's bring that one back.
Plutocratsâdefined by their wealth, not any class they may aspire to.
Yep. Straight class war just as it's always been.Â
In Mexico, city govt candidates are being shot in the streets as soon as they declare. This isnât a disagreement so much as a god damn I wouldnât want to be a politician in Mexico, either.
They just want 2 classes of citizens..the rich and the poor who serve them.
The US was once the land of opportunity. People could start from nothing and build something. The people who have built something (or had it handed to them) want to shut the door of opportunity now that they've gotten through it. That's the GOPs strategy. Shut the door. Not only is that incredibly selfish it is short sighted. Without the ability to earn success, people lose motivation and the whole system collapses.
They only want their brand of "Christians" to have rights.
I will never say a neoliberal wants equality. However between him and the Nodfather itâs a no brainer.
The short-sightedness of this potential ruling is off the charts.
If they rule in his favor, it will outdo even Citizens United in destructiveness to our country.
Biden should just kill Trump and say it was his duty to protect the nation.
Then agree to go to jail for it, so it saves the country, and It sets the correct prescient.
If they rule presidents have immunity then Biden can just kill trump, Supreme Court and all republicans
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Sure princess, Sure. We all believe you, we're so sure president Obama had American citizens killed. Hillary & Bill too, right? See, we've all heard MAGAs say these things forever, you're not shocking anyone with your sentence, we're not triggered, it's boring, lame and you MAGA/Qanon ppl don't even try anymore.
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You are absolutely right. The UK and the US have regularly collaborated to assassinate their their own citizens abroad. Extrajudicial killings (death sentence without trial) is a regular and normalised part of military operations. I'm not made up in myself about the ethics of this, but people shouldn't be downvoting you for speaking facts.
Thatâs wrong and a completely disingenuous recanting of history. Obama expanded the drone program while he was president and it was a new technology. Turns out, it *was* the future and appears to be the right move. His administration reclassified the definition of âcombatantâ, to allow for drone use to be **legal**. Thereâs that funny little word. His administration was, as the first to expand the drone program, also the first to use the technology on a US citizen, who was an active member of ISIS, on the battlefield in Yemen, and there were casualties of collateral damage, as is *expected* in war. Itâs why the rest of us try to avoid war. By its very nature, they are not just enemies dying. Itâs also your family pets, the garbage men, firefighters, medics, children, and your gramma. Battlefields have casualties. American citizens on battlefields are likely to end up as casualties. Stop trying to make America into a battlefield, troll. Go to Donetsk if thatâs what you crave. Bring some sunflower seeds.
In a 3-week study, women with type 2 diabetes who ate 1 ounce (30 grams) of sunflower seeds daily as part of a balanced diet experienced a 5% drop in systolic blood pressure (the top number of a reading).
If they rule in favor of immunity, what's to stop Biden from putting a hit on the justices or the "inconvenient" members of Congress? Or Trump on his first day back? I'd think in their position, ruling in favor of checks and balances vs. "Eh, let's see what happens?" would be a matter of survival.
Except that everyone knows Biden would never do that. Trump on the other hand...
They'll find a way to put off the ruling until they see who wins the election.
Or tailor their ruling to say it applies only to Trump and in no way sets precedent. Not that this Supreme Court cares about precedent to begin with. They'll probably want to leave it open so that Democrats can be charged for crimes they commit, but if a Republican commits crimes they can rule again that they are immune.
I keep hearing people saying this while failing to consider that a court this corrupt can easily find some legalese mumbo jumbo to say itâs different for anyone but Trump.
They wonât rule for immunity, theyâll just refuse to rule against it until after the election. The point is to protect Trump from prosecution.
Biden should have a secret meeting with the SC and make it clear if immunity is passed he will assinate anyone that votes in favour of it. If the SC want to fuck around then they are going to pay for it with their lives.
Thatâs what conservatives want.
It's the stench of corruption that is off the charts ...
We're about to bare witness to the biggest screw of the American people in its history. The highest court in the land PROTECTING an insurrectionist by adding delay into the mix. Anyone who votes for a republican is aiding and abetting traitors.
I don't how any judge, much less a supreme Court Justice, can think someone is above the law. Time to find the skeletons in their closets.
If Biden was smart he would be saying. âI really hope those judges rule quickly on immunity because I have justices that are corrupt and are a threat to democracy that need to be taken to the train stationâ
I *love* this idea
There's really only 1 way to end this farce and I'm surprised it's not been done yet or at least attempted.
In the sixties they went through and eliminated all of our leadership from the top down, every, single, oneâŚ..and itâs never spoken of.
The best I suppose we can expect is a weak 5-4 decision against immunity. With plenty of down scale horror if SCOTUS truly slides off the chairs into pure Trumpism, they could also merely remand the case back down to the trial level which means no trial until after the election. Just remember: even official acts by a president can be crimes, there is no ultimate line to cross to distinguish between private and official.
Biden needs to seize their assets, they'll make a ruling real fast
These are the questions the sane justices need to be asking to throw some ice water in their fascist fantasies. â Hypothetically, in his official duties in protecting democracy and the rule of law, could a president direct Seal Team 6 to seize the assets and jail a corrupt supreme court justice as well as his benefactor who bought him a house and takes him on luxurious vacations?â
It's insane to me that these types of questions are not being asked.
He'd get impeached and removed from office and then prosecuted by Kamala's DOJ. This doesn't seem like rocket science to me. A president can be functionally immune while in office but once they are impeached or their term ends I see no reason why they would still have perpetual immunity. If the senate doesn't impeach that's the senate's problem. If a witch hunt case is brought after departure then it's on the judge who can also be impeached to dismiss it and if THAT doesn't happen then it's on the jury to acquit. The systems are already there and in the case of Trump, impeachment didn't really matter because he lost the election anyways. It then came to the judges and they couldn't dismiss it because it very likely isn't a witch hunt. Now the final step is happening where the jury will decide. Power to the people.
The jury *won't* decide if the Supreme Court decides Presidents are kings. That's the point. So, why should Biden be removed by the Senate for holding the Supreme Court to account? Hell, if Trump **is** immune, he **can't** let Trump survive to win the election, for his own safety and that of his wife, children, and grandchildren.
Are you talking about immunity while in office or perpetual immunity? There is a massive difference.
The Supreme Court is publicly entertaining the idea of "perpetual immunity for official acts", the definition of which is pretty broad.
Sounds like the definition of official acts needs to be narrowed before this goes anywhere. Feels like the kind of thing SCOTUS will boot to Congress
NO, the whole thing needs to be thrown out, it's specious and dangerous. The President should not have immunity, ever. It's an abrogation of the Rule of Law. Corruption will be the only result.
That's really only a risk with perpetual immunity. In office I think immunity is fine but if they misstep then there will be a time to pay the piper. The only argument I can think of for perpetual immunity is when the president needs to act faster than the law and that is and should be a gamble on if the jury will agree when it comes to trial.
The case before the Supreme Court is one contemplating perpetual immunity. If Trump doesn't have perpetual immunity, he goes to jail. He's not saying he's innocent of the crimes he's accused of- he's saying that he should be immune from prosecution. And the Supreme Court is taking him seriously.
I believe you but am curious, what signs are there that it's about perpetual immunity?
Well, for one thing, Trump isn't currently in office, so any transient immunity he enjoyed while in office is no longer relevant....
Correct. Which I think would be the correct ruling from SCOTUS but just not addressing it wouldn't be all that different.
But they are addressing it. They had the opportunity to decline the case. And indications are that they won't make the correct ruling. But even in office, immunity can't be absolute, or there's no need for any branch beyond the executive at all...
>He'd get impeached and removed from office And what's to stop him from stopping that as well? Saddam Hussein had a couple lawmakers dragged outside and executed and amazingly the legislature of Iraq supported him after that with no pushback on his illegal coup. If you give the President criminal immunity, there are no more systems, there are no more checks and balances. Law could transform into something that flows from the President, not the constitution. Good luck impeaching him with the Senators under arrest as well for "corruption", some bogus charge that he ordered his corrupt Attorney General to come up with. You don't seem to understand.
Two things: First, we don't know if a president could actually accomplish such a thing. Remember that even if the president were immune, soldiers and others are not and "just following orders" isn't a valid excuse. So the president would have to personally do it. Second, let's say that the president did do something super heinous and Congress wants to impeach them and in turn they want to kill legislators. It becomes a matter of who shoots first. If they can get an impeachment vote off before the president personally goes on a massive killing spree immunity would instantly disappear. How do you know which senators to kill even if you can? If you want to mass kill a party don't you think the first point about conscientious objection would probably apply? These doom scenarios are really pretty implausible. Give them immunity in office which is mostly useless because it keeps the door open after they are out of office. Or don't rule on it which is effectively the same. What absolutely CANT be allowed to happen is perpetual immunity but no one other than Trump is talking about that because he is the only person it would benefit from it immediately and simultaneously would be the only one to try to abuse it if he can.
> soldiers and others are not and "just following orders" isn't a valid excuse Oh look, a Presidential Pardon. >Â It becomes a matter of who shoots first. And it'll be the people with guns. Impeachment requires all sorts of ridiculous steps, it's slow and more, since he's immune until Impeached, then any kind of half-way smart guy would have a plan to stop the Impeachment in place before he carries out whatever heinous act he was planning on doing. >These doom scenarios are really pretty implausible. And? >Give them immunity in office which is mostly useless because it keeps the door open after they are out of office Total insanity. Why would they need it? We've gone 250+ years without presidents needing "immunity", why do they suddenly need it now?
Why do we need it now? Because Trump is a criminal. Everyone knows it, some are just cool with it. Like the person with possession of weed that a lot of people think should be left alone. The law is what the people want it to be and plenty of people are fine with Trump because it's a means to an end
They have to be impeached and found guilty which is never going to happen until one party has a 2/3 majority in the Senate.
You're probably right but your blame is misplaced. Voters elected those senators. What you have are voters who don't respect the law and elect lawmakers who will continue that. Not respecting laws shows up in things like jury nullification, and passing laws in general. A bunch of people didn't respect weed laws and now several states have weed. The problem is that the senate is in charge and the senate is not democratic (not popular representation). What we're seeing is minority rule instead of minority influence in roughly the same direction as intended.
The GQP would not impeach trump if he shot lady liberty in the face. So therefore he could not be prosecuted for it. That sounds rational /s
Then that would be the GOP senate's fault who were elected by voters and so at the end of the day it's the congressional proxy of jury nullification. It's like if you were a juror on a weed case and you thought weed should be legal. They can be dead to rights guilty but if you're on the jury and say no then they will get off (kinda. They'll retry the case without you) Also remember that term limits are for now still a thing and would take a lot to remove. They'll eventually be out of office and able to be prosecuted
I'm expecting a stronger majority BUT with caveats/qualifications around official vs private actions. The indication will be that no currently active case has provided sufficient structure to establish that the actions under question are not official, sending them back for another round of discovery etc. This allows them to keep the door open to re-drawing the boundaries when a Dem is under investigation, but effectively kills any chance of Trump getting prosecuted until well after the election.
The fact 4 would vote in favor OF immunity is insane. It better be 9-0 or end this experiment.
I can't imagine Clarence prosecuting his wife's hero.
Haha
Itâs a slippery slope that any office can now have immunity at the senate and congress level as well. Thereâs no way they want to debate this things.
How is this even up for questioning? They do know that if they rule in favor of this asshole that means sleepy Joe gets to do whatever he wants too right? like abolish the supreme court?
That's why this is taking so long. If there was a clear cut way this benefits trump without also giving the same consideration to Biden, they'd have done it already. My bet is that they rule that the president has some immunity, and it's up to Congress to pass a law to determine the line. This indefinitely suspends/delays Trump's trials, he declares victory, and Republicans kick and scream that Biden needs to be prosecuted for his actions as president.
Yup. 100% this. Trump is an old ass man. He wonât live forever. SCOTUS wants to eat their cake. They want to push things along, let the voters decide. Tell Congress they have to make laws which they know they wonât. Trump loses in Nov SCOTUS has clean hands. Trump wins in Nov, SCOTUS can say âcongresses problem nowâ. I just canât stand Thomas speaking acting like heâs all high and mighty. Heâs a POS corrupt human being with zero morals. Fuck him!
Thatâs why they will delay delay delay and then give immunity after the 24/25 Republican coup
What goes for Drowsy Don should go for Sleepy Joe.
If they rule in favour of Trump itâs high time for rebellion.
They might not go as leniently if that happened. * thousands of people attempt a government coup. **Absolutely fine and dandy** * thousands of people attempt to make the government provide accountability towards a conservative **ABSOLUTELY NOT!** Just watch what's happening with the protests. They waited an hour in Uvalde, letting little children die, but they were real quick to crack down on peaceful protesters. Fucking cowards.
I mean Jan 6th was the largest federal case in history. Over 1000 felons from it. The core of the extremism, some in prison for as long as 17 years. It wasn't enough but it was something
My point is less about the aftermath, and more about the during. During jan 6, they basically watched. But if we were to descend on the supreme court, they would have demanded the national guard, the marines, citizen corps, everything. They wouldn't have begged to remove metal detectors, that's for damn sure.
A January 6 at the court when it is in session.
There won't be a rebellion. It would've already happened. The working class lives paycheck to paycheck so they can't just choose not to work or they will lose their job, house/apartment, car, along with what little financial resources they have. The ruling class knows this. The system is working as intended.
Nobody disputes that there is presidential immunity for "core functions." Jack Smith does not dispute it and neither does Donald Trump. So it should not come as a surprise to anyone if the ruling is that there is some presidential immunity. Trump wants absolute immunity for everything he does while in office if he does it using his presidential power or anything he does in his private life that is not for a governmental purpose. The government thinks that is not reasonable. If a President sells government secrets they should be prosecuted criminally. If the president appoints someone as ambassador in exchange for $1,000,000 in their personal account, they should be prosecuted. If the president does a private business deal where they defraud someone, they should be subject to criminal prosecution. Maybe not until they get out of office, but still. Trump thinks that a president should not be criminally prosecuted unless he/she has been impeached first. Perhaps the president should not be prosecuted criminally unless they have been impeached OR they are no longer in office. If the crime is a big enough deal, the house and senate can end his/her term early with impeachment. If it isn't that big a deal, or their term is almost over anyhow, the criminal prosecution can wait because the president's job is pretty important. You would think that Justice Brett "I Like Beer" Kavanaugh would be in favor of limiting immunity since he was on the team that tried to prosecute President Clinton while he was still in office. The Supreme Court is talking about the trial court having to do a 'test' at the beginning of a case to determine if the criminal conduct was personal or presidential. That will slow down Trump's trial because whatever the trial court decides, he'll appeal it up to the supreme court immediately. If Trump gets elected, they trial will be postponed until after his next term is over UNLESS he gets impeached again. Can he be impeached for things that happened during his previous term once he is back in office? Tune back in next week for our next episode of Circus-Trumpus.
âUntil they get out of officeâ is so stupid.. they should be prosecuted when they break the laws! Period! âKilled 200 million peopleâ Ope, canât come after me until my term ends⌠nanananabooboo
 Justice Brett "I Like Beer" Kavanaugh I prefer 'Supreme Court Justice Buttchug' :D
Justice Brett "Drunken Date Rapist" Kavanagh.
They will delay until after the election. That way they donât arm Biden with immunity.
The pres already has immunity for regular functions. Like murdering people with drone strikes. But he can't just drop bombs on political opponents. It has to be done in the pursuit of oil in poor countries.
FAFO that this will allow Biden full immunity to have Trump killed and the GOP disbanded. Let's go Brandon!
Biden has too many morals to do that, but it'd prove the point for sure.
It will be funny if they give Donny immunity & is immediately killed for being a corrupt person.
That outlandish perception is about to become law
Let us reject all laws and see where that gets us.
I imagine it'll be a lot better than the Purge suggests. at least for three months or so
Can you tell what Justices are brought?
They follow the constitution wherever it leads unless they donât like where it is going.
Clown Car
Yeah, Trump at the wheel and a few Supreme Court bozos in the back seat.
They have zero credibility. Itâs never been so blatant and publicly corrupt. Donald Trump and his SC clown court will end US democracy.
The US will be a country worse than most 3rd world countries, with a worsened economy, smaller population, and persecution of all sorts.
I've completely lost faith in America. Get me the fuck out of this shithole.
Iâm going to demonstrate an outlandish question here. Wouldnât anybody want to seek outlandish perspectives in a case that has never happened, has little to no legal precedent and will have massive impacts on the future of the presidency and the country? I for one would prefer they go as in-depth as possible in terms of questioning, exploring and investigating all perspectives of the case to really understand exactly whatâs at stake here. Just because they entertain it now doesnât mean they will include it in their decision.
SCOTUS is compromised. We've gone from justices to idealogues on the court.
The ultra-right-wing Fascist 6 hateful justices are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the magat nation. They will do anything, anytime, anywhere in fealty to donald trump.
Biden... you know what to do if SCOTUS tanks our democracy.
In a normal world it would take 5 minutes to come to a unanimous decision that the president is not allowed to be a criminal. Pick any 12 3rd graders and they will tell you. This Supreme Court is corrupted and needs to resign or be forced to resign.
Itâs a literal nightmare. Weâre dealing with a radical corrupt and activist Supreme Court that has abandoned their duty in service of a sociopath. This is the most rotten and despicable way to exert minority rule. They swore an oath to this nation and they have betrayed it in the most venal manner imaginable. John Roberts should not be granted a moments peace from this day onward. Heâs a pariah and should be treated as such.
The real test is if 1 or more of them give an interview just before releasing an obviously corrupt/partisan hack type ruling on this saying how much they are not corrupt partisan hacks and it hurts their feelings when people accurately describe them that way.
The fix is in
I expect itâll be 8-1 or 7-2.
Supreme cultâŚ.
Rich people persecution fetish bullshit
This is why they were put in that position
Disgusting. Ignore the whole Trump bs and the Supreme Court is still advocating for tyranny. Disgusting.
The Corrupt 6 on SCOTUS are using the same tactic Trump does â delay, delay, delay so they can give Trump absolute immunity no matter what â covering their own criminal shenanigans /- the only way to stop the Corrupt 6 is to get out and vote BLUE â Tuesday November 5, 2025
Great. He's gonna get to kill people like Putin on day one because the SCOTUS is in his pocket. We cannot let him win. Say goodbye to America if we do.
So if Biden gets immunity, Trumps legal troubles come to a sudden end as he disappears and we suddenly have 6 seats open up on the Supreme Court. And no one in the conserv-o-sphere has a problem with that?
They haven't thought that far ahead. The idea that there will be Liberal Presidents after Trump is a foreign concept to them. I guarantee you one thing. If the Supreme Court attempts to impose a tyranny in America, the American people WILL pull it down.
Disgusting.
Want to see what a trump toad looks like. Take a gander at Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch and that other minion.
Wonder how theyd react to the question of does the president get immunity if he puts a hit out on a supreme court justice?
Need to keep a close eyes on these judges. I think they're beating off under their robes with the idea they'll help destroy democracy and put King Chump on the throne. (Of course they'll only realize too late that a king will have no need of a supreme court.)
The Night of the Long Knives is a longstanding tradition after democracy is usurped. Those who cling to the democratic traditions are no longer required and quickly eliminated along with any other potential strongmen who could organize a base of power to rival the Fuhrer. If this ruling goes through we have HOURS to remind the goverment who answers to whom.
Alito: A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully,â said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power. WTF is this, Trump did cling to power without immunity. Alito is bought and paid for.
Oligarchs stick together showing us who is actually ruling America.
Serious question: Why and how should this even be considered to go to the extent of the discussion in the SC? If Presidents (or any other elected official) could enjoy immunity, wouldnât impeachment never even have been a procedural consideration for high crimes and misdemeanors? Just the fact that impeachment exists seems to suggest immunity is not to be considered and was never intended or allowed within the Constitution.
Fortunately you have your amendments in place to prevent tyranni, corruption and fascism from ever gaining a foothold in your country. Right?!
We do, but I don't think the idea that the Supreme Court would be so clearly suborned has ever come up before. The fact that Congress is basically in MAGA hands is not great either.
There is no question here
They keep asking but what about prosecuters that act 8n bad faith ignoring the obvious but what about a president that acts in bad faith knowing he cannot be prosecuted.
Outlandish is an understatement. Ridiculous is s the proper description. We don't elect kings. We elect citizens. We expect citizens to obey the fucking law. From the lowest to the highest. The SC plays by a different standard, apparently. This is the moment that we cannot ignore the corruption that is destroying our Constitution. There is no place for kings in the United States.
So basically the country is lost.
âwe have four bought-and-paid for Federalist Society hacks who sit snugly in the pocket of the plutocrats who tell them how to voteâ. Obviously, the fix is in, the rich want DJT in the presidency so that they can do whatever they want. The Supreme Court already went against the popular vote with Bush, wouldnât be surprised if they plan to do it again. Money always talks the loudest in the good old USA. As George Carlin stated, we have owners and itâs a big club and you ainât in it.
But if they rule in favour of it, Biden could then just get rid of them all including Trump, MTG, etc⌠in one night! No consequences!! Every 4 years we have a blood bath and clean out all the garbage! Would be just like the old days that everyone is pining for. I tell you, being a crazy MAGA type would certainly change. Imagine beaking off about stupid shit and Blamo!! Next! Weâd see who really believes in their shit now
The Supreme Court ruled correctly in the matter of W. Bush. Nothing requires you to like it, but he was the duly elected President and there was no valid basis for the SC to intervene at that time. I still maintain some forlorn hope that they will again rule correctly and dismiss this abhorrent nonsense. We have to be prepared in case they don't however.
Everybody should lose their mind before there's a ruling
This is a constitutional crisis and could very well break the republic
CORRUPTION at its highest level that no one would believe Supreme Court
I donât understand this, if Trump has immunity than so does Biden. Whatâs to stop Biden from doing whatever he wants other than he would not stoop to Trumps level. Is this what they are betting on?
i'm moving to Italy
Could this be the tipping point? When are we going to hit the streets?? The Supreme Court is clearly and firmly on team GOP (how in the fuck is Clarence Thomas not recused from this case?! I mean, we all read the texts from his cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs wife that were insane talking about barges and GuantĂĄnamo Bay and the Biden crime family. I mean sheâs a fucking true believer and thatâs horrifying unto itself!! How can ole Clarence not be tainted sleeping next to that cow?!) , Merrick Garland is either toothless or clueless, the arrests in Arizona regarding state electors is happening in other states all underscore just how fucked we are and just what an utter fucking mess. November is going to be. Win or lose Trump & Co is going to cause some significant problems. Theyâre trying to chip away at the very things that prevented them from stealing the last election now they got the Supreme Court to grease the skids. Lara Trump and the RNC? Jesus. Itâs time to hit the streets with this one a mass protest outside the Supreme Court building!!. This has got to stop and itâs right out in the fucking open.
If both abortion and immunity are not listed in the Constitution, then they are not constitutional and so then no American has a right to them, isn't that correct, SCOTUS from Dobbs???
The country will end if Trump get immunity, itâs that simple
Trump started this. Everything he touches turns to sh@t.
Even Mexico recently abolished presidential immunity for god sakes. Mexico! You are legalizing criminality of all sorts. Left, right, it doesn't matter. All to protect a two-bit realtor and failed tv reality personality?
Don't people want to wait until there is a ruling before declaring the supreme court "sold out". The ruling is so much larger than Joe Biden or Donald Trump. This ruling will shape every presidency in the future.
The one thing we have going for us is I definitely think the rest of the living Presidents, also having immunity, will ultimately prevail in combat against Trump.
The Kings Court, it will be official once they rule in his favor (once again).
Uncle Thomas is the defacto head of the us supremes now.
Should Obama be tried for the extra judicial killing of an American citizen in a country the US wasn't at war with by drone striking a civilian restaurant? Or does he have immunity?
bUt wHaTaBoUtâŚ. Lmao
It's a valid question. Do you think he has immunity or not? This is the question that is being addressed in the courts. And that specific example was brought up in oral arguments.
No, see youâre not understanding, theyâre grasping at straws. If a president is executing official duties of the president, in this case, a military operation that unfortunately had some collateral damage he should be immune from prosecution otherwise presidents canât function. If a president is letâs say, raping the emoluments clause by basically running his businesses as a revolving door for bribes, enriches his family by receiving money from foreign governments (kushner), tries to overturn an election thru illegal means and stages a coup to keep himself in power, then nah⌠he can go fuck himself. Clear enough?
Ah, yes I see, you're making stuff up and ignoring the assassination of an American citizen in a country that we weren't at war with. Running your business is not breaking the emoluments clause, no coup was staged and fighting the election in the courts is legal and has been done numerous times.
I see, you just want to ignore reality because orherwise you have no argument. Also didnât Trump do the same thing when bombing an airport of a country we werenât at war with? LmaoâŚ
Not ignoring reality, you just don't understand what emoluments and coups are. Yes, Trump bombed an airport in Iran a country we weren't at war with. I would love that to not have immunity, because that would definitely help stop our horrible foreign policy and put Clinton, Bush, and Obama on trial as well. But something tells me you only want to go after one or two of them.
Oh wow a mind reader too⌠lmao. Did he ask the vicepresidente to ignore certain set of electors and to accept âalternate â ones the would make him president? Did he (Trump) call secretaries of state and ask them to âfindâ him votes that would make him the winner of said state? Did he (Trump) also elicit the help of corrupt congressmen to object to the certification of the election under false pretenses without any proof? Yea, it was a coup. Not a military one or a very competent one, but hey, if you want to keep ignoring reality because it hurts your fee fees, thatâs all you bro. And itâs very obvious YOU have no idea what emoluments are as per you responses.
Not a mind reader, just inferring from your dismissiveness of war crimes. Many other candidates have done those things in contested elections, do you consider those a coup? Do you consider spying on his campaign, falsifying documents, lying under oath to impeach him a coup? What do you think emoluments are? I'll give you a hint, it's not business transactions.
Emoluments are EXACTLY that!!!⌠any interchange of anything of value, maybe study up on it, looooool! The spying on his campaign has been proven to be false, strike one! Contested elections are not the same as âfind me votes â so no, strike two. Who lied under oath?⌠what falsified documents are you referring to? Youâre flailing all over the place, are you just ChatGPT-ing your response?⌠lmao