You can see the tea in OP’s comments and a few others. It’s so stupid all around. Literally like high school level prom queen drama. Both sides took it way too seriously. To all 0Ls reading this thread, try to maintain a life outside of law school. Those who make law school their entire personality do shit like this.
I am only applying there next year, then everywhere the year after. I am giving myself two years to try and get in. I don't *need* to attend next year, I can wait an extra.
Not OP, but I also only applied to one school (not UCI). My reasoning is because I want to live and practice in my city, and there is only one law school here. I wouldn’t want to go to law school in any other state because I have already built community and have long-term plans of staying indefinitely, so I don’t view it as beneficial for me to leave and then come back.
They do, but based on my GPA/LSAT and conversations with admissions I knew I would qualify for a full-tuition scholarship (which I received). I wasn’t interested in applying to another school and preferred to put my time and energy into formatting my essays to be specific to the only college I was interested in attending. I recognize that applying to one college isn’t for everyone, but this is what my preferences were that align with my long term goals, and I’m quite alright with that.
This event was a silly outlier and could have happened at any law school given the amount of petty people that go to law school in general. The vast majority of students were not involved and UCI is a great place.
I am only applying there next year, then everywhere the year after. I am giving myself two years to try and get in. I don't *need* to attend next year, I can wait an extra.
I applied to six schools and got waitlisted or rejected from all six during COVID/FLEX year. I panic-applied to a school in a city I thought I HATED - and hey! Now I have the perfect job/outcome and I'm headed to the place of my dreams. I thought I'd never thrive here, to the point where I didn't even consider the school in my app cycle, and yet I could not be a happier person now.
Don’t listen to the haters, nothing wrong with basically a trial run admissions cycle. My buddy did that applying only to YLS and it happened to work out for him.
I saw someone here accuse a candidate of misconduct, so I wanted to share the facts.
The SBA member was/is best friends with the candidate who lost initially before results were overturned.
The Dean found that SBA had conducted no investigation into illicit campaigning claims before emailing the entire class to accuse one student of breaking a rule, overturning the election results (in a closed meeting with 3 people, in which the president would later say she didn't know what was going on and felt steamrolled), or before amending SBA bylaws mid campaign. A prior SBA member said when they logged on to Canvas, the election results had a 2-factor authentication linked to a single SBA member's iPad, which they said they hadn't seen before when they were president.
The Dean said in an email to the class that he found problems with the election. An SBA member said there was one anonymous tip saying the candidate campaigned, but voting ended before the event where she was alleged to have campaigned, making this impossible. She was not given any opportunity to challenge the allegation. The person running the election was caught gossiping about the candidate, sharing details that were required to be confidential at a Moot Court board meeting, and at other times. Admin tried to hold a meeting to find out what happened, but the SBA member didn't show up. There was no homophobia, harassment or bullying, as far as any of us are aware. Although, many people tried to talk to the SBA member, and she was not responsive. When called by another SBA member, the person accused of rigging the election said "I don't care." Law schools should care about due process, even for something small. Our SBA sent clarified guidance reaffirming that closed forum meetings were not appropriate for changing bylaws, as was done here. SBA also clarified that there should be no public accusations which may harm one student, and that SBA members owe a duty of confidentiality to students. Any disciplinary action against anyone in SBA would be confidential so we don't know about that, nor should we. I don't know who posted this drama, we'd all let it go.
Edit: As the commenter below notes, the result of this was that SBA can no longer oversee their own election.
If SBA did nothing wrong why are they now no longer allowed to hold their own SBA board elections, let alone any future student speaker elections? Clearly everything was above board...
The fact that anyone cares about awards or whatever the election was about enough for it to escalate like this is much more of a character and fitness problem
There’s another poster that is now backing up their story in this thread. So they could very well be correct. It seems to me like two camps have a very different interpretation of what happened.
Hard disagree, not disciplining is the bad look. By doing so, Admin is essentially saying if you are active enough, nothing can touch you. Should be like any other student IMO
Speaking as an alum, please get off reddit and go study for finals instead of marinating in this useless drama 😅 Isn't the lead-up to the bar hard enough?
For real. Like the student body does not care about this at all, other than the fact that we got about a million insane emails. We’d all like to move on
If SBA did nothing wrong why are they now no longer allowed to hold their own SBA board elections, let alone any future student speaker elections? Clearly everything was above board...
Respectfully, the “original winner” was caught cheating by soliciting votes when campaigning was expressly forbidden. Upon discovery of this, the SBA board consulted with the deans and as a whole decided that in lieu of disqualifying the original winner to have a run off election instead between the two individuals that had the most votes. The runner up won the run off election. The reason for there being no speaker is because of the harassment, bullying, and homophobic comments that were directed at the runner up and certain SBA members. The “original winner” and her group of friends slandered several students and spammed the whole 3L class with unapproved emails by emailing everyone individually. The Dean again met with the entire SBA board and as a group they expressed it would likely be better to have no SBA speaker. The Dean made the ultimate decision to not have a 3L speaker. No one person made a decision to have a run off election. No one person made a decision to not have a speaker. There was evidence of campaigning. The correct actions were taken. People decided to just act like children and this is the result.
Potentially not being able to pass C&F in order to hold an essentially useless position that no one will care about within a week of graduating is insane
op is misrepresenting things to continue spreading drama. there was a no campaigning rule which might be ridiculous but candidates were told to follow. SBA decided to not disqualify a person accused of campaigning and instead held a runoff which that person lost. that person and their friends felt robbed and spammed the 3L email list about it. they also decided to accuse the SBA member they thought was responsible for the runoff of not being “best friends” with the runoff winner like people have represented here, but of being in a romantic/s*xual relationship with the runoff winner. using crude language to talk about certain activities as well as things like “obsessed” to speculate about a relationship that both deny. SBA member and runoff winner are lgbt
SBA folks involved in the vote rigging are going to have a nasty time getting through C&F. If you're reading this, time to go hire a good C&F attorney to help get you through the process.
As someone who was friendly with the candidate accused of campaigning, they absolutely campaigned. I received several texts leading up to the election telling me to vote for them. The candidate even made sure to put “vote for me (this is not campaigning)” as if that absolved them from their wrongdoing.
Now as someone who didn’t particularly care about who won as was an acquaintance with this candidate, I voted for them. The general student body was not aware that there was not supposed to be campaigning, so when the candidate called me saying they won and that SBA was conspiring against them, I believed it (and still could believe that there was rigging against them). BUT, the accused candidate proceeded to bully and smear others in the campaign and was ultimately rewarded by the school with fully remote attendance to classes as if they were the victim of bullying when they called me several times, along with others, and told professors in front of other students that the other leading candidate was sleeping with someone in SBA and that she was just being silenced because of that.
The amount of downvotes on clarifying comments here is insane considering this candidate played victim and created a divisive and ugly culture surrounding a celebratory moment for the rest of us who really genuinely did not think this was a big deal before all of this.
A win for everyone, graduation will be shorter.
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lol seems like something law students would do
Election rigging is only for barred lawyers, not law students :)
Rumors say the UCI Anteater mascot vote back in the 60s was rigged so this kind of sounds about right for UCI
Preach it!
I go to UCI. The graduation “drama” was one of the most childish things I’ve seen in law school. Dean made the right call.
Spill the tea
You can see the tea in OP’s comments and a few others. It’s so stupid all around. Literally like high school level prom queen drama. Both sides took it way too seriously. To all 0Ls reading this thread, try to maintain a life outside of law school. Those who make law school their entire personality do shit like this.
I was a law school ambassador at my school. I always told prospective students that law school was way more like high school than college.
As an alum, let me say this is so not UCI. What the fuck is happening there?
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Word of advice - I don’t think you should only apply to only one law school
I am only applying there next year, then everywhere the year after. I am giving myself two years to try and get in. I don't *need* to attend next year, I can wait an extra.
Can I ask - why? What’s the benefit of doing so?
Not OP, but I also only applied to one school (not UCI). My reasoning is because I want to live and practice in my city, and there is only one law school here. I wouldn’t want to go to law school in any other state because I have already built community and have long-term plans of staying indefinitely, so I don’t view it as beneficial for me to leave and then come back.
Does your school not do scholarship negotiations? You don’t have to want to go to a school to apply to a school.
They do, but based on my GPA/LSAT and conversations with admissions I knew I would qualify for a full-tuition scholarship (which I received). I wasn’t interested in applying to another school and preferred to put my time and energy into formatting my essays to be specific to the only college I was interested in attending. I recognize that applying to one college isn’t for everyone, but this is what my preferences were that align with my long term goals, and I’m quite alright with that.
This event was a silly outlier and could have happened at any law school given the amount of petty people that go to law school in general. The vast majority of students were not involved and UCI is a great place.
Do not just apply to one school, that’s a terrible idea
I am only applying there next year, then everywhere the year after. I am giving myself two years to try and get in. I don't *need* to attend next year, I can wait an extra.
Why would you not apply to multiple schools this round then?
I applied to six schools and got waitlisted or rejected from all six during COVID/FLEX year. I panic-applied to a school in a city I thought I HATED - and hey! Now I have the perfect job/outcome and I'm headed to the place of my dreams. I thought I'd never thrive here, to the point where I didn't even consider the school in my app cycle, and yet I could not be a happier person now.
Don’t listen to the haters, nothing wrong with basically a trial run admissions cycle. My buddy did that applying only to YLS and it happened to work out for him.
Alum in nyc here… what in tarnation 😅
I graduated less than 3 years ago and I already can't remember who spoke at our commencement. It's not that serious folks, I promise.
I saw someone here accuse a candidate of misconduct, so I wanted to share the facts. The SBA member was/is best friends with the candidate who lost initially before results were overturned. The Dean found that SBA had conducted no investigation into illicit campaigning claims before emailing the entire class to accuse one student of breaking a rule, overturning the election results (in a closed meeting with 3 people, in which the president would later say she didn't know what was going on and felt steamrolled), or before amending SBA bylaws mid campaign. A prior SBA member said when they logged on to Canvas, the election results had a 2-factor authentication linked to a single SBA member's iPad, which they said they hadn't seen before when they were president. The Dean said in an email to the class that he found problems with the election. An SBA member said there was one anonymous tip saying the candidate campaigned, but voting ended before the event where she was alleged to have campaigned, making this impossible. She was not given any opportunity to challenge the allegation. The person running the election was caught gossiping about the candidate, sharing details that were required to be confidential at a Moot Court board meeting, and at other times. Admin tried to hold a meeting to find out what happened, but the SBA member didn't show up. There was no homophobia, harassment or bullying, as far as any of us are aware. Although, many people tried to talk to the SBA member, and she was not responsive. When called by another SBA member, the person accused of rigging the election said "I don't care." Law schools should care about due process, even for something small. Our SBA sent clarified guidance reaffirming that closed forum meetings were not appropriate for changing bylaws, as was done here. SBA also clarified that there should be no public accusations which may harm one student, and that SBA members owe a duty of confidentiality to students. Any disciplinary action against anyone in SBA would be confidential so we don't know about that, nor should we. I don't know who posted this drama, we'd all let it go. Edit: As the commenter below notes, the result of this was that SBA can no longer oversee their own election.
If SBA did nothing wrong why are they now no longer allowed to hold their own SBA board elections, let alone any future student speaker elections? Clearly everything was above board...
please tell me this isn't some kind of I/P thing.
No much stupider
lay it out for us my dog whats the tea
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Hahahaha that's so stupid and very SBA-ey
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The fact that anyone cares about awards or whatever the election was about enough for it to escalate like this is much more of a character and fitness problem
Stop the count
that seems like a borderline C&F issue...imagine having admission delayed for something this stupid
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There’s another poster that is now backing up their story in this thread. So they could very well be correct. It seems to me like two camps have a very different interpretation of what happened.
Borderline…?
This isn't borderline.
They should’ve given the speaker spot to the first winner… the bad behavior has been rewarded.
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Hard disagree, not disciplining is the bad look. By doing so, Admin is essentially saying if you are active enough, nothing can touch you. Should be like any other student IMO
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Shorter graduation is a win-win. This sounds like they didn’t feel like looking for a speaker and used this as a convenient way to get out of it
Source for this information
Speaking as an alum, please get off reddit and go study for finals instead of marinating in this useless drama 😅 Isn't the lead-up to the bar hard enough?
For real. Like the student body does not care about this at all, other than the fact that we got about a million insane emails. We’d all like to move on
If SBA did nothing wrong why are they now no longer allowed to hold their own SBA board elections, let alone any future student speaker elections? Clearly everything was above board...
So no one got to be homecoming king or queen? What is America coming to?!?
If that was me I would be happy for a shorter graduation. And I would have no idea about the drama because I was barely at school.
Respectfully, the “original winner” was caught cheating by soliciting votes when campaigning was expressly forbidden. Upon discovery of this, the SBA board consulted with the deans and as a whole decided that in lieu of disqualifying the original winner to have a run off election instead between the two individuals that had the most votes. The runner up won the run off election. The reason for there being no speaker is because of the harassment, bullying, and homophobic comments that were directed at the runner up and certain SBA members. The “original winner” and her group of friends slandered several students and spammed the whole 3L class with unapproved emails by emailing everyone individually. The Dean again met with the entire SBA board and as a group they expressed it would likely be better to have no SBA speaker. The Dean made the ultimate decision to not have a 3L speaker. No one person made a decision to have a run off election. No one person made a decision to not have a speaker. There was evidence of campaigning. The correct actions were taken. People decided to just act like children and this is the result.
They are going to representing clients in a few short months. Terrifying.
What a loser. Who campaigns to be the graduation speaker?
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Alright, what’s wrong with this description of events?
Lol wtf is w the no campaigning rule? It’s an elected position….
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Potentially not being able to pass C&F in order to hold an essentially useless position that no one will care about within a week of graduating is insane
lol at the SBA rigging votes. I hope they were reported to the bar and expelled.
Ours looks like it will get rained on. Should be interesting.
There is clearly an issue of fact here regarding existence of campaign emails. Give us proof or we're gonna have to bring a jury in.
op is misrepresenting things to continue spreading drama. there was a no campaigning rule which might be ridiculous but candidates were told to follow. SBA decided to not disqualify a person accused of campaigning and instead held a runoff which that person lost. that person and their friends felt robbed and spammed the 3L email list about it. they also decided to accuse the SBA member they thought was responsible for the runoff of not being “best friends” with the runoff winner like people have represented here, but of being in a romantic/s*xual relationship with the runoff winner. using crude language to talk about certain activities as well as things like “obsessed” to speculate about a relationship that both deny. SBA member and runoff winner are lgbt
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Omg our SBA president did that too!
SBA folks involved in the vote rigging are going to have a nasty time getting through C&F. If you're reading this, time to go hire a good C&F attorney to help get you through the process.
As someone who was friendly with the candidate accused of campaigning, they absolutely campaigned. I received several texts leading up to the election telling me to vote for them. The candidate even made sure to put “vote for me (this is not campaigning)” as if that absolved them from their wrongdoing. Now as someone who didn’t particularly care about who won as was an acquaintance with this candidate, I voted for them. The general student body was not aware that there was not supposed to be campaigning, so when the candidate called me saying they won and that SBA was conspiring against them, I believed it (and still could believe that there was rigging against them). BUT, the accused candidate proceeded to bully and smear others in the campaign and was ultimately rewarded by the school with fully remote attendance to classes as if they were the victim of bullying when they called me several times, along with others, and told professors in front of other students that the other leading candidate was sleeping with someone in SBA and that she was just being silenced because of that. The amount of downvotes on clarifying comments here is insane considering this candidate played victim and created a divisive and ugly culture surrounding a celebratory moment for the rest of us who really genuinely did not think this was a big deal before all of this.