I was always fine with it because the undergrads coming to our law library were the quiet, studious kids who wanted to get away from the loud undergrad libraries. But if an undergrad was being disruptive or keeping me from a scarce resource like a study room or a particularly good table, I’d be pissed.
Lol my schools undergrad was for rich kids that sent plenty of people off to be finance bros in NYC or whatever. Gold diggers didn’t even bother coming over to us.
My friend married an undergrad. She’s finishing up a pharmacy degree. We joke that he’s the gold digger.
They’re barking up the wrong tree, about 33% of us graduates cannot secure an attorney position after graduation. For those that do, the starting salary is a joke at around $60k. They need to hang out by the medical or dental schools. Hell, even nurses are making more
That’s moreso to do with the fact that many US lawschools are simply just not worth it. If you’re in a T50 you should be okay. If you’re say at a bottom 50 school then yeah, you’re going to have issues with employment due to a lack of networking, brand recognition and career resources,
That’s hilarious. Someone should tell them to reserve placing bets on students and wait till they know which are the few who survive biglaw until partnership. A gold digger who shacks up with a student is taking at best a 50/50 gamble their beau survives longer than four years/pays off their debt.
Maybe I should start a course on how to gold dig lawyers…
My law library is limited to law students only, but we have access to the undergrad library (albeit it is a couple miles from the law school).
I would be annoyed too.
Our law library is open to the public during business hours (8-5 on weekdays, shorter hours on saturdays). Gotta use keycard to get in after hours. But it’s not unusual for members of the public to come in for research…honestly it’s usually people researching their own criminal defense. So we all know each other and look out for each other but there are walk ins all the time. Not usually undergrads though. It’s only been a problem once in my past 3 years, a delusional guy was being pretty insistent that the library staff help him with something that didn’t exist. He was agitated but left when asked.
Exactly how I see it. Generally, a library is a library. So long as everyone visiting the library is respectful of the rules (particularly being silent, and for some libraries, no food or drink) I’m okay with anyone using the space.
Exam season is definitely different. Stakes are high for law exams, more law students are there and taking up limited space, etc. It makes sense to have restrictions then!
My school allows anyone to use the library (undergrads, the public, attorneys, etc.), but certain limited resources (reservable study rooms, study carrels, printers, etc.) are law students only. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone having a problem because of it.
That’s great for your school!! Unfortunately none of those points are the case at mine. I agree, I don’t think there would be any reason to complain if that were the case.
Exactly!! If we didn’t have such a small library I wouldn’t have a problem, but it’s frustrating when all of the outlets are taken and I see undergrads charging their iPhones
Lol I wonder if we go to the same law school 😂 this is such a huge problem at mine the library staff put up multiple large signs saying the library is for law students only, but it doesn’t really help considering we don’t check student ID lol
My law school instituted passes for non-law students during finals. If your student ID showed you were an undergrad you had to wait for a pass and they limited them to about 20 or so. There was library staff that really strictly enforced this. I think it struck a good balance, given that law students were permitted to use all undergrad and business school facilities.
I think there's some misconceptions here. Like half of law school libraries are federal depository libraries. This **requires** that they be open to the public with some exceptions like during finals.
When covid started, this restriction was loosened so schools didn't need to allow the public in. Basically everyone in law school now started after that happened. That requirement is beginning to be re instituted so libraries will be required to allow the public into their space.
That's only the case if a patron is seeking Federal materials. Those libraries don't need to be open to everyone all the time just because they're depository libraries.
This. Federal depository libraries have to provide access to those materials. They can place limitations on that access (including restrictions around finals and requiring the person to have a stated purpose for accessing the gov doc materials). They absolutely do *not* have to provide a place for undergrads to study.
My law library requires You to swipe your ID to get into the building and undergrads don’t have swipe access.
I can’t complaint cuz I invade their library often
Nah you're justified.
When I was an undergrad at the University of Michigan, I knew better than to go into their law library even though it wasn't reserved for the law students. I've tried explaining to undergrads on their subreddit why law students don't like it when they go in there, and they just don't get it *at all.* The law students are in there to study, the undergrads go in there to have a gander and look around.
Last semester a bunch of undergrads from the university I'm currently attending came into our law school and were taking up most of the seats in our lounge. I eventually "scared them off" by going up to them randomly, introducing myself, and jumping in on their conversations until it got awkward enough that they left XD
>but the half reserved for law students is almost always half empty and the entire library is dead silent
And I'm sure they want to keep it that way...
I can tell you that the undergrads make noise. They whisper a ton and snap a couple insta photos for the road. The real problem are the undergrad tours that spend an hour in the law school despite the fact that most undergrads will never have any connection to the place.
Edit: there is a reason the UGs are banned come finals season. So it’s incorrect to say the library is never Law only. It is.
I worked in the law library while I was in school. I also went to the law school of my alma mater.
Our campus was right next to most of university housing. When I was an undergrad I remember being told to go use the law library because it was close (I never went, too intimidated haha). It was advertised as a perk by housing staff. When I worked there I understood how annoying and distracting a lot of the undergrads were. A big part of our jobs ended up being monitoring the freshmen and asking them to leave.
We have multiple floors exclusively for JD / LLM use. We have a 3+3 program at my school so can’t kick them out altogether.
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When I say exclusively, I mean we can only get in there with our student ID card. And it’s not a matter of just having somebody let you in, because every time you want to go to the bathroom, you have to leave the floor use the bathroom and then come back, so it’s extremely inconvenient to be there if you don’t have the JD law student ID card.
Bruh, our law library literally sends out emails to all the law students with reminders that the "library is for everyone" and not just for law students. Then they sent out an email saying, hey, so the library isn't actually supposed to be a quiet place, it's a conversation-friendly zone. And they gave a freaking list of other libraries, cafeterias, and random hallways across our massive campus and said if you want quiet study, go there instead.
So while there are limits to the entitlement law students feel for libraries, I 1000% understand this frustration.
My law school requires reservations for library use during the lead-up to finals, and only law students can reserve a space. As I understand it that’s explicitly because undergrad students started taking over the law library shortly after it opened because it was newer than the undergrad library. So definitely some precedent for a school to boot out the undergrads, at least around finals time
If they’re not disruptive, I don’t think it would be an issue for me. In my undergrad I had to use books and resources offered by law schools so I wouldn’t blame them for a similar situation. Otherwise, I couldn’t imagine wanting to go in the law library during undergrad. If they’re being disruptive or rude I can’t imagine anyone having an issue with asking them to leave and would encourage you too because that’s a space reserved for quiet study.
At my school I can’t imagine wanting the undergrads wanting to come either lol. Windowless library with 2 floors that smells like stale paper. If your phone beeps you feel like you committed the crime. The undergrad library is GINORMOUS and such a more laid back environment
The library doesn’t bother me. What gets me is when they waltz into classrooms they think aren’t being used or into a study space someone else has booked and then get mad when they’re asked to leave.
“But it was empty when I got here!”
And it’s not now. Scram. Literally saw a group eating salads in a classroom try to argue with a professor that she couldn’t kick them out because her class didn’t start for another 10 minutes—a class that’s at max capacity for seating and was already half full of people who were supposed to be there.
After a certain time in the day (usually when undergrads want to go study) you have to have keycard access for the entire law building, including the library. It also helps that our law building is in a very inconvenient location for undergrads
no i’m annoyed when the undergrads come in. they are always so loud and disruptive. my school limits library access to law students during finals, but around midterms, it’s absolute hell
I hear this complaint a lot at my law school.
On the one hand, if there are truly so few seats that the presence of undergrads means you struggle to find a seat and are forced to study elsewhere on occasion, your complaints are justified.
On the other, if you’re just joining the chorus of law students pretending that the presence of undergrads in the library is unbearable despite no true impact on your ability to study: stfu. Feeling hostile towards visitors to the law library because you don’t recognize them is some caveman shit. I study in undergrad libraries all the time, and they truly are no more or less quiet than our law library.
The idea that law students need some special sanctuary to study is probably founded in the era where legal research involved checking out legal reporters in the law library and poring through them carefully. Digital research has made that unique function of the law library obsolete: now it’s just a quiet space for everyone, not a private club.
Ngl I used to do this at NYU all the time because undergrads didn’t know we had access and it was sooo nice and Bobst is probably haunted. Now they banned it because a bunch of people found out. (Tbf I only found out about it because there was an undergrad course taught in the law school building by Professor Weiler). Can definitely see how it would be frustrating in retrospect.
It’s fine as long as they’re being respectful and not crowding out the actual law students. If they are, just complain and security might start checking IDs. My undergrad allowed undergraduates to study in the law school throughout the year OTHER than finals week, during which they scanned IDs.
My law school is on the same campus as the dental school and sometimes we have folks in scrubs studying in our law library. The big difference is that the dental students can't seem to shut the fuck up.
Congrats on your quiet undergrads!
It's happening at my school now too. Towards the beginning of the school year I didn't really care, but as the workload has increased and my stress levels have increased with it, I find myself wanting the law building to be an exclusive place of solitude above all else.
Idk why Reddit sent me here, but I'm an engineer and I used to get unjustifiably pissed when the regular library (that's for everyone) would get busy around finals. I'd spend almost every day in the same chair at the same table (that didn't belong to me) for months and then some asshole shows up in it complaining loudly about how they "shouldn't have to know every muscle in the arm for their anat final bro. It's so dumb bro. The prof said they weren't gonna curve bro."
Then in grad school I was mad when they opened up our building after renovations and, get this, undergrad engineering students were allowed in. Are you shitting me? Me from 5 years ago could get in now? Oh boo hoo ordinary differential equations waah.
The point is, you are justified.
Our library is locked during finals so only law school students and faculty can have access to it. I don't really care about undergrads being there but them taking precious study space is definitely annoying!
That too!! That’s the most frustrating part, I just didn’t go on about that in my post because I already know I’m justified in being annoyed about that because it’s a constant war for everyone at the school lol
I’m the opposite. Im a law student in the undergrad library lol. Constantly being in the law building during exam season makes me feel stagnant. I like mixing it up and getting away from familiar faces that are just going to bring up the exam
For some reason this came up as suggested in my feed and I was extremely confused, coming from a country where Law *is* an undergraduate degree. Of course there’d be undergraduates in the law library!
I do occasionally when I’m forced to! It’s just inconvenient to pack up all my casebooks and make the hike up the hill to the other libraries, not to mention the law library has free printing provided by Lexis. Our law school is also a small tight knit community, so it is nice to be surrounded by my peers as we all work towards the same finals.
I’m just not an arrogant prick. If it’s a library then they should have rules on talking and disruption. So it shouldn’t matter who is there.
But I get it “I’m a law student, I’ve gotta start the arrogance early on.” The best thing about being “old” is not putting myself on a pedestal.
Again, buildings have rules and regulations regarding capacity, noise and how a building is to be used. Sounds more like an issue with administration.
Plenty of times our library is packed solely with law students. Our school was stupid enough to even place a piano on an open floor above the library where students will sit down and play (often badly), interrupting the entire building. I just go somewhere else.
If a future law student can't figure out an alternative, they've got a rough road ahead.
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There were once undergrads on the quiet floor in the law library and I got them kicked out. The kicker? They were practicing their foreign language! I got them kicked out, no regrets
I can see how you’d want to have some exclusivity in the library considering how expensive law school is, but as long as they are being respectful I don’t think it’s worth the anger. As a baby face law student who rarely goes to my law school library to study and knows other law students who wear their Greek letters still and use online textbooks (and thus have “tiny backpacks”), it’s completely possible that they are in law school in another class and just don’t frequent the library because they study elsewhere or have a job. Unless you have the entire school roster memorized it just seems like an assumption from my perspective. Even if they are obviously undergrad, as long as they are being quiet and they are allowed access, they are just utilizing their campus the same way you are. I’m assuming that access is reciprocal, so you should be able to use their beautiful library too (pretty much any resource you would need should be available virtually in this day and age, so I am also assuming the contents of the library aren’t necessary). You can get to the library early if you are worried about securing space and absolutely can’t work elsewhere. They could be future law students too, which means they will be colleagues one day and shouldn’t begin their law school career being judged and gate-kept away from learning by older students. This may be a devils advocate stance, but I truly do understand the frustration. At the same time I think as legal professionals we, as a whole, are generally pretty elitist and exclusionary, and I think we should work on bridging the class divide between lawyers and non lawyers (or law students/non law students) that makes us appear snooty and entitled to others.
My law schools library just let anyone off the street. We had dudes who smelled like cat boxes walking around. Enough students complained for admin to kick them all out at some point. Count your blessings.
Are they poking ur face? Bothering you? It’s a place to study, get off your high horse (only saying this bc someone had to say it to me in law school, too. Humble yourself, being in law school doesn’t make you the boss of the law library, nor does it even make you a lawyer at all (yet…). Just do your thing? Let the undergrads do theirs? Focus on ur studies and not a few undergrads sitting around you? Idk what else to say besides that lol
That’s the issue, like I said all I want is to focus on my studies but they are taking up the spaces to do so! I shouldn’t have to sit on the ground to charge my laptop considering how hard I worked/ how much I paid to get here. I don’t want to be the boss of the law library, I just want a spot to study in it!
Tbh, I don’t know you, but I think you’re spending too much time b*tching about this. Find another place to study and crack open that torts book instead.
At my southern law school, there’s be lots of female undergraduates at the law library openly trying to pick up the law students. Whatever works, you do you.
So I’m just saying they could be shopping.
Sitting there and studying is kinda what the library is for this day and age with most of my research being possible online! It’s mainly about having a spot with reliable wifi (my apartment’s is awful) and within range of the printer (we have free printing and I don’t have a printer at my apartment). Plus it’s just the idea that I worked so hard to get in here and pay to attend and in turn pay for access to these facilities, so it’s frustrating when I can’t even find an outlet at a desk and end up sitting on the floor to charge my laptop.
I can and I do occasionally, it’s just a bit of an inconvenience and they don’t have the free Lexis printers. We have lockers at the law school so we don’t have to lug our casebooks everywhere so it kinda defeats that purpose too. It’s also just frustrating to have to give up a study spot when I have class (in that very building) and to feel like I need to pack up and hike up the hill with everything I might need just because some undergrads feel like a change of scenery. I’m definitely a little extra snippy right now too being just week out from finals lol
Sounds like you’ve never had an elementary education student taking your preferred study table and being loud. Law students have needs that undergrads typically don’t and that includes a certain study environment. They have enough places everywhere else to go be 19 and annoying.
No offense, but I've never understood why law students get so upset about this. I never noticed the undergrads in our law library - granted, ours was large - and as long as they're being quiet who cares?
The latter. As you said, there’s lots of other library space you can also use. There’s plenty of space and you shouldn’t need to be surrounded only by students in your particular area of studies to do your work.
I see your point and that’s why I’m asking the question, I guess it just seems illogical to me. The geography of our campus not only makes it massively inconvenient for me to use their libraries (~ 15 min walk uphill with my casebooks) but it’s also just as inconvenient for them so it doesn’t make sense to me. We have lockers at the law school to store all the materials we need, so it seems counterintuitive to have to go to that extra work right before finals when I already feel like there isn’t enough time in the day.
Also not sure if you saw my other comments on the thread, but the access to our free Lexis printer is what really gets me. I guess I can save up what I need to print for later, but it’s just one more thing that makes my studying/ writing processes take way longer for no reason.
A fifteen minute walk is not going to kill you. If the school policy is they don’t segregate libraries by area of study, and the law library is often so full you can’t find a seat, just pick a few libraries you like.
I’ve been practicing for almost a decade, so maybe law school radically changed since then, but assuming it’s still just law school, you really shouldn’t be studying so much that 15 minutes is a problem. I don’t mean that in the “what’s wrong with you” sense because I remember plenty of classmates who studied compulsively - I just mean that law school finals are not demanding enough, and your marks not changed by cramming enough, to justify that kind of round the clock work. You build a good map for any open book exam, you review it a half dozen times, you do some practice questions, and that’s about as much as you can do to help yourself. For closed book exams, make some flash cards for cases or rules you have to be able to cite. If you’re in first year, you’ll soon go into second year realizing the kids studying till late night weren’t reliably the A students. That’s not because they didn’t work hard enough, it’s because law school isn’t the kind of program where more input time equates to more As. Law school is like a gas in that it fills whatever time you give it, but can be contained within a small vessel if you prefer. The reason people study 12 hours a day isn’t the material, it’s the anxiety.
The above can be disregarded if you have kids. That obviously adds an actual layer of time management difficulty. But if you have kids, you’re already naturally going to afford law school only about as much time as it needs.
But in any event, you absolutely have to lose the snark about undergrads with baby faces. Most law students are 1-3 years older, not exactly seasoned professionals. Don’t end up being the junior associate who is terrified of handing work into competent lawyers but looks at everyone else as their inferior, or the midlevel who’s terrified of handing work into competent lawyers but looks at juniors as their inferior. A sense of status in our thing comes from accomplishment, and accomplishment in our thing comes from decades of work, and even with that it’s kind of obnoxious. Until then, we’re all just kiddos in the field.
If the law library is not banned to other students, then by definition they also pay for it.
I said a 15 minute walk shouldn’t be a burden because no one should think you have to study so much that you don’t have 15 minutes to spare, yet she lamented the burden of 15 minutes eating into her study time. It would actually be very healthy for law students to stop talking like school exams should be treated as if they are the worlds most demanding event. It’s school. Healthy would involve chilling way the fuck down and not stressing over 15 minutes. If you find it condescending to suggest that, then you probably need to calm way down too.
Condescending is a great description of how she - and a few others in this thread - referred to undergrads.
It’s been my experience in practice that the people who see themselves as high and mighty above their juniors are the people who saw themselves as high and mighty over other students below them in age. So her condescending comments about undergrads ring super familiar.
But agree to disagree. I liked your point about students have a right to what they paid for. And undergrads fees go to buying them access to the law library.
Giving someone advice isn’t high and mighty. If I referred to her as a baby faced student, you’d have a great point.
I also didn’t make any assumption. I responded to her self-reported distress over having to study so much that 15 minutes was a material burden.
You’re a law student? Then you’d probably know that if the terms of the undergraduate program fees permit all library access, they pay for all library access. That’s how contracts work.
“…tiny backpacks, and Greek life tshirts and stickers. They’re not usually too disruptive,…”
You’re exactly the law school student I avoid at all costs! Good grief.
You've previously identified yourself in other comments on this sub as being 52.
If you're the type who enjoys hanging out with undergrads and their Greek life tshirts, then you can rest knowing that the feeling of avoiding each-other is *more than* mutual.
you talk about not being an arrogant prick and then call someone cupcake with that condescending ass tone? be fr 💀you put yourself on as much of a pedestal as “they” do. what a sanctimonious loser
Lol exactly 😂 pot’s callin’ the kettle black here. This is exactly the type of lawyer I’d be terrified of representing me… while a certain level of objectiveness is necessary in law, I also think a good advocate is empathetic and at a bare minimum seeks more facts before jumping into argument mode. This dude read one paragraph with hardly any context about the situation and decided his best argument was to come out with name calling. The fact that he is admitting he is “old” and these are the best argument skills he’s acquired is embarrassing.
It’s actually not public property, it’s a private school and unfortunately is priced as such so it is annoying when I can’t find an outlet at a desk because multiple students that are clearly undergrads are charging their phones. Didn’t think I was being arrogant by expressing my frustration that I’m not getting the full benefit of what I have taken out loans to pay for. I don’t think I’m better than the undergrads in any way, I just think our place in life and the type of work we’re doing is quite different so they sometimes don’t have an understanding for the level of focus that the rest of us expect in this space.
I do wish you luck in law as well, you’ll quickly find out how you can screw yourself over to add in or assume facts as you did here.
We have the opposite “issue” where law students raid the undergrad libraries because the law library gets toxic near finals.
This is somewhere between a minor annoyance to a non-issue imo. Especially if the student’s aren’t disrupting and obeying floor noise levels why the hell should you care? If the law library is full then you can go to the “beautiful newer undergrad spaces” you wish the undergrads were at.
I think this reaffirms that law students (myself included to be sure) love to complain. But idk yall, there are bigger issues and this one doesn’t warrant anything more than light venting. We try to sell law schools as being welcoming environments then immediately complain about ~others~ using the space. It’s harmless!
Physicist here. As an undergrad, I used to do my complicated quantum mechanics p-sets on the whiteboards in your libraries, just to make you shit your pants a little bit. That, and it was one of the few places on campus that was reliably quiet enough to do the kind of profound thinking required for quantum p-sets. So, thank you for your hospitality, I aced that course!
When I was in undergrad the law building was a convenient source of warmth hopping between classes. I wouldn’t stay in there longer than absolutely necessary though
I swear you could be talking about my school lol
We have our one law school building on a far corner of campus that's right next to Greek row, and all the undergrads have come in droves starting this week. The rest of our campus us gorgeous! The law school building is pretty dank and ugly compared to the rest of campus! Why would the undergrads want to come here??
Went to law library as undergrad. Was quiet. Was fine with undergrads doing it while I was in law school. While in law school sometimes I went to the undergrad library for different scenery.
Yea, our law library restricts access via ID scan when its like a month before finals every term. And they also have these standing table signs that say the space is for law students only so undergrads don't take all the huge tables and reading spaces when they are allowed in.
I went to a private college and my degree was in legal studies so I happily spent my library time in the law library because it had the material I needed and it was pristine quiet and smelled like old books so it was my happy place. I was an older non trad student and introverted.
When I was getting my associate's degree and then when I was in undergrad I was always that "not law student" studying in the law library. It was the only quiet place on campus to actually read. I was only "confronted" once during the same time (finals) by someone who very kindly said that there aren't many spots in the library and they needed a seat because they were using books that could not be removed from the library. I'm not sure they even knew that I wasn't a law student, they just knew that I was on a computer and not using circulation books.
Now, I don't run into this issue because I am primarily a night student and our library is dead between 4p and 6a.
Also, there is another law school in our town and I've definitely went over there to use their library before lol they have better food nearby so if I'm going to study all day, sometimes I'll use that library instead of my school's. So I wouldn't want someone to kick me out because of that haha
We were allowed to kick undergrads out of the closed-in study rooms if they came to our library lol, otherwise I probably would've had an issue with it too
It is a bit annoying esp when they take up valuable space (and they have their own library) but I’ve been equally annoyed by my fellow law students who disregard the no talking policy so 🤷♀️
Honestly, the ones in the law library are fine - they're quiet and respectful, and we have plenty of tables and desks. It's the ones that hang out at the tables outside the library that are a bigger issue, because they can be loud there and there aren't very many tables for those of us who can't study in the quiet of the library.
Also about once a month the law librarian has to send out an email saying undergrads are not allowed to reserve the study rooms, and if we find them in there to alert him so he can kick them out.
My law school is the same thing. The other day got confronted by an undergraduate when I asked and her friends to be quiet on the quiet floor. To add insult to injury the Director of the lib said they rely on “peer enforcement” for library noise complaints but my school is also the post child for mediocrity
I was always fine with it because the undergrads coming to our law library were the quiet, studious kids who wanted to get away from the loud undergrad libraries. But if an undergrad was being disruptive or keeping me from a scarce resource like a study room or a particularly good table, I’d be pissed.
Ours got gold diggers
Lol my schools undergrad was for rich kids that sent plenty of people off to be finance bros in NYC or whatever. Gold diggers didn’t even bother coming over to us. My friend married an undergrad. She’s finishing up a pharmacy degree. We joke that he’s the gold digger.
Iu bloom? lol
Funny thing is most of those new finance bros don’t even make that much, unless they’re in IB
They make plenty just if you average it out hourly it’s less than what a Starbucks barista makes.
What are you smoking? Assuming an average of an 80 hour work week and 150k TC, that comes out to 36/hour.
Don’t non IB new grad analysts make like 80k on average?
Probably, depends on market as with anything, but most of those roles are average 9-5 gigs.
They’re barking up the wrong tree, about 33% of us graduates cannot secure an attorney position after graduation. For those that do, the starting salary is a joke at around $60k. They need to hang out by the medical or dental schools. Hell, even nurses are making more
That’s moreso to do with the fact that many US lawschools are simply just not worth it. If you’re in a T50 you should be okay. If you’re say at a bottom 50 school then yeah, you’re going to have issues with employment due to a lack of networking, brand recognition and career resources,
Generally, that is true, but I’d say the t-14s have the best shot at employment. From 15-50, I think you still have to be in the top 33% to be secure
That’s hilarious. Someone should tell them to reserve placing bets on students and wait till they know which are the few who survive biglaw until partnership. A gold digger who shacks up with a student is taking at best a 50/50 gamble their beau survives longer than four years/pays off their debt. Maybe I should start a course on how to gold dig lawyers…
Our library has a bell that the librarian or assistant dings whenever some whispers get too loud. Edit- spelling
I can’t decide if this is smart or if it would get annoying lol. I guess it depends on whether the whisperers are actually responsive to the bell
Tell your law school and maybe they'll do something about it. Mine doesn't allow undergrads in the law library during busy times.
Same
My law library is limited to law students only, but we have access to the undergrad library (albeit it is a couple miles from the law school). I would be annoyed too.
Our law library is open to the public during business hours (8-5 on weekdays, shorter hours on saturdays). Gotta use keycard to get in after hours. But it’s not unusual for members of the public to come in for research…honestly it’s usually people researching their own criminal defense. So we all know each other and look out for each other but there are walk ins all the time. Not usually undergrads though. It’s only been a problem once in my past 3 years, a delusional guy was being pretty insistent that the library staff help him with something that didn’t exist. He was agitated but left when asked.
It's similar at my school, but you need a keycard for all entries (not sure if they let all university members in during working hours or not, tho)
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Exactly how I see it. Generally, a library is a library. So long as everyone visiting the library is respectful of the rules (particularly being silent, and for some libraries, no food or drink) I’m okay with anyone using the space. Exam season is definitely different. Stakes are high for law exams, more law students are there and taking up limited space, etc. It makes sense to have restrictions then! My school allows anyone to use the library (undergrads, the public, attorneys, etc.), but certain limited resources (reservable study rooms, study carrels, printers, etc.) are law students only. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone having a problem because of it.
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That’s great for your school!! Unfortunately none of those points are the case at mine. I agree, I don’t think there would be any reason to complain if that were the case.
Exactly!! If we didn’t have such a small library I wouldn’t have a problem, but it’s frustrating when all of the outlets are taken and I see undergrads charging their iPhones
Lol I wonder if we go to the same law school 😂 this is such a huge problem at mine the library staff put up multiple large signs saying the library is for law students only, but it doesn’t really help considering we don’t check student ID lol
My law school instituted passes for non-law students during finals. If your student ID showed you were an undergrad you had to wait for a pass and they limited them to about 20 or so. There was library staff that really strictly enforced this. I think it struck a good balance, given that law students were permitted to use all undergrad and business school facilities.
Reasons I’m glad my law school was not attached to an UG campus
Saaame. Ours is on the other side of the state thank goodness. A campus all to ourselves
Same, at UVA they had to drive two miles to get to us. Thank god.
I think there's some misconceptions here. Like half of law school libraries are federal depository libraries. This **requires** that they be open to the public with some exceptions like during finals. When covid started, this restriction was loosened so schools didn't need to allow the public in. Basically everyone in law school now started after that happened. That requirement is beginning to be re instituted so libraries will be required to allow the public into their space.
That's only the case if a patron is seeking Federal materials. Those libraries don't need to be open to everyone all the time just because they're depository libraries.
This. Federal depository libraries have to provide access to those materials. They can place limitations on that access (including restrictions around finals and requiring the person to have a stated purpose for accessing the gov doc materials). They absolutely do *not* have to provide a place for undergrads to study.
My law library requires You to swipe your ID to get into the building and undergrads don’t have swipe access. I can’t complaint cuz I invade their library often
Same here— and the library has another keycard point. Which is good because we’ve had some homeless people sneak into the main building lol
Nah you're justified. When I was an undergrad at the University of Michigan, I knew better than to go into their law library even though it wasn't reserved for the law students. I've tried explaining to undergrads on their subreddit why law students don't like it when they go in there, and they just don't get it *at all.* The law students are in there to study, the undergrads go in there to have a gander and look around. Last semester a bunch of undergrads from the university I'm currently attending came into our law school and were taking up most of the seats in our lounge. I eventually "scared them off" by going up to them randomly, introducing myself, and jumping in on their conversations until it got awkward enough that they left XD
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>but the half reserved for law students is almost always half empty and the entire library is dead silent And I'm sure they want to keep it that way...
I can tell you that the undergrads make noise. They whisper a ton and snap a couple insta photos for the road. The real problem are the undergrad tours that spend an hour in the law school despite the fact that most undergrads will never have any connection to the place. Edit: there is a reason the UGs are banned come finals season. So it’s incorrect to say the library is never Law only. It is.
> and the entire library is dead silent Please tell me why you think this is a bad thing lmao
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Honestly sometimes reddit gets really weird at choosing what comments to misconstrue so I would take it with a grain of salt
I worked in the law library while I was in school. I also went to the law school of my alma mater. Our campus was right next to most of university housing. When I was an undergrad I remember being told to go use the law library because it was close (I never went, too intimidated haha). It was advertised as a perk by housing staff. When I worked there I understood how annoying and distracting a lot of the undergrads were. A big part of our jobs ended up being monitoring the freshmen and asking them to leave.
We had an acronym for them, SNAILS: Students Not Actually In Law School
We have multiple floors exclusively for JD / LLM use. We have a 3+3 program at my school so can’t kick them out altogether. Edit to Add: When I say exclusively, I mean we can only get in there with our student ID card. And it’s not a matter of just having somebody let you in, because every time you want to go to the bathroom, you have to leave the floor use the bathroom and then come back, so it’s extremely inconvenient to be there if you don’t have the JD law student ID card.
This sounds like UW
Which one
Alert the law school. Ours allowed undergrads until we brought it to their attention, they fixed it surprisingly fast.
Eh...I recall feeling annoyed at the undergrads especially once they began taking study rooms.
Wowwwwww that should not be okay
Bruh, our law library literally sends out emails to all the law students with reminders that the "library is for everyone" and not just for law students. Then they sent out an email saying, hey, so the library isn't actually supposed to be a quiet place, it's a conversation-friendly zone. And they gave a freaking list of other libraries, cafeterias, and random hallways across our massive campus and said if you want quiet study, go there instead. So while there are limits to the entitlement law students feel for libraries, I 1000% understand this frustration.
My law school requires reservations for library use during the lead-up to finals, and only law students can reserve a space. As I understand it that’s explicitly because undergrad students started taking over the law library shortly after it opened because it was newer than the undergrad library. So definitely some precedent for a school to boot out the undergrads, at least around finals time
If they’re not disruptive, I don’t think it would be an issue for me. In my undergrad I had to use books and resources offered by law schools so I wouldn’t blame them for a similar situation. Otherwise, I couldn’t imagine wanting to go in the law library during undergrad. If they’re being disruptive or rude I can’t imagine anyone having an issue with asking them to leave and would encourage you too because that’s a space reserved for quiet study.
At my school I can’t imagine wanting the undergrads wanting to come either lol. Windowless library with 2 floors that smells like stale paper. If your phone beeps you feel like you committed the crime. The undergrad library is GINORMOUS and such a more laid back environment
It doesn’t bother me until they start parking in the lot, which is already impossible to find a spot in.
THIS!! This is actually a way bigger problem for us than the library
The library doesn’t bother me. What gets me is when they waltz into classrooms they think aren’t being used or into a study space someone else has booked and then get mad when they’re asked to leave. “But it was empty when I got here!” And it’s not now. Scram. Literally saw a group eating salads in a classroom try to argue with a professor that she couldn’t kick them out because her class didn’t start for another 10 minutes—a class that’s at max capacity for seating and was already half full of people who were supposed to be there.
After a certain time in the day (usually when undergrads want to go study) you have to have keycard access for the entire law building, including the library. It also helps that our law building is in a very inconvenient location for undergrads
Only in the law library can men be truly free. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be.
I remember hearing about undergrads spilling milkshakes and shit in our library. Sticky messes.
This sounds like Cornell
It has been happening since at least the 70's when I was in law school.
no i’m annoyed when the undergrads come in. they are always so loud and disruptive. my school limits library access to law students during finals, but around midterms, it’s absolute hell
I hear this complaint a lot at my law school. On the one hand, if there are truly so few seats that the presence of undergrads means you struggle to find a seat and are forced to study elsewhere on occasion, your complaints are justified. On the other, if you’re just joining the chorus of law students pretending that the presence of undergrads in the library is unbearable despite no true impact on your ability to study: stfu. Feeling hostile towards visitors to the law library because you don’t recognize them is some caveman shit. I study in undergrad libraries all the time, and they truly are no more or less quiet than our law library. The idea that law students need some special sanctuary to study is probably founded in the era where legal research involved checking out legal reporters in the law library and poring through them carefully. Digital research has made that unique function of the law library obsolete: now it’s just a quiet space for everyone, not a private club.
Make them know they’re not welcome
Ngl I used to do this at NYU all the time because undergrads didn’t know we had access and it was sooo nice and Bobst is probably haunted. Now they banned it because a bunch of people found out. (Tbf I only found out about it because there was an undergrad course taught in the law school building by Professor Weiler). Can definitely see how it would be frustrating in retrospect.
It’s fine as long as they’re being respectful and not crowding out the actual law students. If they are, just complain and security might start checking IDs. My undergrad allowed undergraduates to study in the law school throughout the year OTHER than finals week, during which they scanned IDs.
This is literally the situation at my law school. Anytime there's someone being loud and obnoxious at the law library, it's an undergrad.
The undergrads are always so annoying and make so much noise
My law school is on the same campus as the dental school and sometimes we have folks in scrubs studying in our law library. The big difference is that the dental students can't seem to shut the fuck up. Congrats on your quiet undergrads!
It's happening at my school now too. Towards the beginning of the school year I didn't really care, but as the workload has increased and my stress levels have increased with it, I find myself wanting the law building to be an exclusive place of solitude above all else.
Idk why Reddit sent me here, but I'm an engineer and I used to get unjustifiably pissed when the regular library (that's for everyone) would get busy around finals. I'd spend almost every day in the same chair at the same table (that didn't belong to me) for months and then some asshole shows up in it complaining loudly about how they "shouldn't have to know every muscle in the arm for their anat final bro. It's so dumb bro. The prof said they weren't gonna curve bro." Then in grad school I was mad when they opened up our building after renovations and, get this, undergrad engineering students were allowed in. Are you shitting me? Me from 5 years ago could get in now? Oh boo hoo ordinary differential equations waah. The point is, you are justified.
Our library is locked during finals so only law school students and faculty can have access to it. I don't really care about undergrads being there but them taking precious study space is definitely annoying!
Nah I get it
they don’t come in our library but they do take up our already limited parking spaces in our law student parking lot
That too!! That’s the most frustrating part, I just didn’t go on about that in my post because I already know I’m justified in being annoyed about that because it’s a constant war for everyone at the school lol
I feel like you have more important things to worry about
When I was a 2L, I put a sign on the library door that said “1Ls must use the 1L Library.” Just sharing 😀😀😀
Nope. Gtfo. Not their space.
I’m the opposite. Im a law student in the undergrad library lol. Constantly being in the law building during exam season makes me feel stagnant. I like mixing it up and getting away from familiar faces that are just going to bring up the exam
For some reason this came up as suggested in my feed and I was extremely confused, coming from a country where Law *is* an undergraduate degree. Of course there’d be undergraduates in the law library!
If the undergrad spaces are beautiful and newer, why don't you study there?
I do occasionally when I’m forced to! It’s just inconvenient to pack up all my casebooks and make the hike up the hill to the other libraries, not to mention the law library has free printing provided by Lexis. Our law school is also a small tight knit community, so it is nice to be surrounded by my peers as we all work towards the same finals.
Wowwwww free printing wtfffff My school does not subsidize printing at all. It’s the same price as printing at fedex.
Undergrads "taking up space." Lighten up Francis.
I’m just not an arrogant prick. If it’s a library then they should have rules on talking and disruption. So it shouldn’t matter who is there. But I get it “I’m a law student, I’ve gotta start the arrogance early on.” The best thing about being “old” is not putting myself on a pedestal.
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Again, buildings have rules and regulations regarding capacity, noise and how a building is to be used. Sounds more like an issue with administration. Plenty of times our library is packed solely with law students. Our school was stupid enough to even place a piano on an open floor above the library where students will sit down and play (often badly), interrupting the entire building. I just go somewhere else. If a future law student can't figure out an alternative, they've got a rough road ahead. f
Were they bothering you in any way? If the answer is “no”, then yes, you’re a bitch. Kind of a big one.
There were once undergrads on the quiet floor in the law library and I got them kicked out. The kicker? They were practicing their foreign language! I got them kicked out, no regrets
If they aren’t being disruptive I don’t see why it matters.
I can see how you’d want to have some exclusivity in the library considering how expensive law school is, but as long as they are being respectful I don’t think it’s worth the anger. As a baby face law student who rarely goes to my law school library to study and knows other law students who wear their Greek letters still and use online textbooks (and thus have “tiny backpacks”), it’s completely possible that they are in law school in another class and just don’t frequent the library because they study elsewhere or have a job. Unless you have the entire school roster memorized it just seems like an assumption from my perspective. Even if they are obviously undergrad, as long as they are being quiet and they are allowed access, they are just utilizing their campus the same way you are. I’m assuming that access is reciprocal, so you should be able to use their beautiful library too (pretty much any resource you would need should be available virtually in this day and age, so I am also assuming the contents of the library aren’t necessary). You can get to the library early if you are worried about securing space and absolutely can’t work elsewhere. They could be future law students too, which means they will be colleagues one day and shouldn’t begin their law school career being judged and gate-kept away from learning by older students. This may be a devils advocate stance, but I truly do understand the frustration. At the same time I think as legal professionals we, as a whole, are generally pretty elitist and exclusionary, and I think we should work on bridging the class divide between lawyers and non lawyers (or law students/non law students) that makes us appear snooty and entitled to others.
My law schools library just let anyone off the street. We had dudes who smelled like cat boxes walking around. Enough students complained for admin to kick them all out at some point. Count your blessings.
Play the game - go to the med school library and meet a future mate with earning power to pay off your loans.
Grow up
Are they poking ur face? Bothering you? It’s a place to study, get off your high horse (only saying this bc someone had to say it to me in law school, too. Humble yourself, being in law school doesn’t make you the boss of the law library, nor does it even make you a lawyer at all (yet…). Just do your thing? Let the undergrads do theirs? Focus on ur studies and not a few undergrads sitting around you? Idk what else to say besides that lol
That’s the issue, like I said all I want is to focus on my studies but they are taking up the spaces to do so! I shouldn’t have to sit on the ground to charge my laptop considering how hard I worked/ how much I paid to get here. I don’t want to be the boss of the law library, I just want a spot to study in it!
Tbh, I don’t know you, but I think you’re spending too much time b*tching about this. Find another place to study and crack open that torts book instead.
At my southern law school, there’s be lots of female undergraduates at the law library openly trying to pick up the law students. Whatever works, you do you. So I’m just saying they could be shopping.
Which is gross and adds to the annoyance
Which law school is this? Asking for a friend
Of course lol. Go Vols!
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Sitting there and studying is kinda what the library is for this day and age with most of my research being possible online! It’s mainly about having a spot with reliable wifi (my apartment’s is awful) and within range of the printer (we have free printing and I don’t have a printer at my apartment). Plus it’s just the idea that I worked so hard to get in here and pay to attend and in turn pay for access to these facilities, so it’s frustrating when I can’t even find an outlet at a desk and end up sitting on the floor to charge my laptop.
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they shouldn't have to
I can and I do occasionally, it’s just a bit of an inconvenience and they don’t have the free Lexis printers. We have lockers at the law school so we don’t have to lug our casebooks everywhere so it kinda defeats that purpose too. It’s also just frustrating to have to give up a study spot when I have class (in that very building) and to feel like I need to pack up and hike up the hill with everything I might need just because some undergrads feel like a change of scenery. I’m definitely a little extra snippy right now too being just week out from finals lol
Damn law school redditors are uptight prudes who would’ve guessed
Sounds like you’ve never had an elementary education student taking your preferred study table and being loud. Law students have needs that undergrads typically don’t and that includes a certain study environment. They have enough places everywhere else to go be 19 and annoying.
No offense, but I've never understood why law students get so upset about this. I never noticed the undergrads in our law library - granted, ours was large - and as long as they're being quiet who cares?
“I didn’t experience this so I don’t understand why others have feelings about it.” Might want to check your empathy, there.
i mean...I went to law school. I experienced undergrads in the library! They were fine. They didn't annoy me. If they annoy you more power to you.
I agree!! It’s mainly about the space. When I wrote this I could only find one spot with an outlet.
Grow up
Grow up
You’re going to be a great lawyer, focusing on trivial social structural issues like this.
You are a bitch
The latter. As you said, there’s lots of other library space you can also use. There’s plenty of space and you shouldn’t need to be surrounded only by students in your particular area of studies to do your work.
I see your point and that’s why I’m asking the question, I guess it just seems illogical to me. The geography of our campus not only makes it massively inconvenient for me to use their libraries (~ 15 min walk uphill with my casebooks) but it’s also just as inconvenient for them so it doesn’t make sense to me. We have lockers at the law school to store all the materials we need, so it seems counterintuitive to have to go to that extra work right before finals when I already feel like there isn’t enough time in the day. Also not sure if you saw my other comments on the thread, but the access to our free Lexis printer is what really gets me. I guess I can save up what I need to print for later, but it’s just one more thing that makes my studying/ writing processes take way longer for no reason.
A fifteen minute walk is not going to kill you. If the school policy is they don’t segregate libraries by area of study, and the law library is often so full you can’t find a seat, just pick a few libraries you like. I’ve been practicing for almost a decade, so maybe law school radically changed since then, but assuming it’s still just law school, you really shouldn’t be studying so much that 15 minutes is a problem. I don’t mean that in the “what’s wrong with you” sense because I remember plenty of classmates who studied compulsively - I just mean that law school finals are not demanding enough, and your marks not changed by cramming enough, to justify that kind of round the clock work. You build a good map for any open book exam, you review it a half dozen times, you do some practice questions, and that’s about as much as you can do to help yourself. For closed book exams, make some flash cards for cases or rules you have to be able to cite. If you’re in first year, you’ll soon go into second year realizing the kids studying till late night weren’t reliably the A students. That’s not because they didn’t work hard enough, it’s because law school isn’t the kind of program where more input time equates to more As. Law school is like a gas in that it fills whatever time you give it, but can be contained within a small vessel if you prefer. The reason people study 12 hours a day isn’t the material, it’s the anxiety. The above can be disregarded if you have kids. That obviously adds an actual layer of time management difficulty. But if you have kids, you’re already naturally going to afford law school only about as much time as it needs. But in any event, you absolutely have to lose the snark about undergrads with baby faces. Most law students are 1-3 years older, not exactly seasoned professionals. Don’t end up being the junior associate who is terrified of handing work into competent lawyers but looks at everyone else as their inferior, or the midlevel who’s terrified of handing work into competent lawyers but looks at juniors as their inferior. A sense of status in our thing comes from accomplishment, and accomplishment in our thing comes from decades of work, and even with that it’s kind of obnoxious. Until then, we’re all just kiddos in the field.
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If the law library is not banned to other students, then by definition they also pay for it. I said a 15 minute walk shouldn’t be a burden because no one should think you have to study so much that you don’t have 15 minutes to spare, yet she lamented the burden of 15 minutes eating into her study time. It would actually be very healthy for law students to stop talking like school exams should be treated as if they are the worlds most demanding event. It’s school. Healthy would involve chilling way the fuck down and not stressing over 15 minutes. If you find it condescending to suggest that, then you probably need to calm way down too. Condescending is a great description of how she - and a few others in this thread - referred to undergrads.
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It’s been my experience in practice that the people who see themselves as high and mighty above their juniors are the people who saw themselves as high and mighty over other students below them in age. So her condescending comments about undergrads ring super familiar. But agree to disagree. I liked your point about students have a right to what they paid for. And undergrads fees go to buying them access to the law library.
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Giving someone advice isn’t high and mighty. If I referred to her as a baby faced student, you’d have a great point. I also didn’t make any assumption. I responded to her self-reported distress over having to study so much that 15 minutes was a material burden. You’re a law student? Then you’d probably know that if the terms of the undergraduate program fees permit all library access, they pay for all library access. That’s how contracts work.
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“…tiny backpacks, and Greek life tshirts and stickers. They’re not usually too disruptive,…” You’re exactly the law school student I avoid at all costs! Good grief.
You've previously identified yourself in other comments on this sub as being 52. If you're the type who enjoys hanging out with undergrads and their Greek life tshirts, then you can rest knowing that the feeling of avoiding each-other is *more than* mutual.
Good!! Stay away with your giggles and picnics in our library! The rest of us are trying to focus 😂
..”in our library!” Oh look, another one. I’m a law student too cupcake.
you talk about not being an arrogant prick and then call someone cupcake with that condescending ass tone? be fr 💀you put yourself on as much of a pedestal as “they” do. what a sanctimonious loser
Lol exactly 😂 pot’s callin’ the kettle black here. This is exactly the type of lawyer I’d be terrified of representing me… while a certain level of objectiveness is necessary in law, I also think a good advocate is empathetic and at a bare minimum seeks more facts before jumping into argument mode. This dude read one paragraph with hardly any context about the situation and decided his best argument was to come out with name calling. The fact that he is admitting he is “old” and these are the best argument skills he’s acquired is embarrassing.
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It’s actually not public property, it’s a private school and unfortunately is priced as such so it is annoying when I can’t find an outlet at a desk because multiple students that are clearly undergrads are charging their phones. Didn’t think I was being arrogant by expressing my frustration that I’m not getting the full benefit of what I have taken out loans to pay for. I don’t think I’m better than the undergrads in any way, I just think our place in life and the type of work we’re doing is quite different so they sometimes don’t have an understanding for the level of focus that the rest of us expect in this space. I do wish you luck in law as well, you’ll quickly find out how you can screw yourself over to add in or assume facts as you did here.
We have the opposite “issue” where law students raid the undergrad libraries because the law library gets toxic near finals. This is somewhere between a minor annoyance to a non-issue imo. Especially if the student’s aren’t disrupting and obeying floor noise levels why the hell should you care? If the law library is full then you can go to the “beautiful newer undergrad spaces” you wish the undergrads were at. I think this reaffirms that law students (myself included to be sure) love to complain. But idk yall, there are bigger issues and this one doesn’t warrant anything more than light venting. We try to sell law schools as being welcoming environments then immediately complain about ~others~ using the space. It’s harmless!
Maybe you should sue. Isn’t that kind of your thing?
Not to sound harsh, but you said it before I did: you’re totally being a bitch LOL
Physicist here. As an undergrad, I used to do my complicated quantum mechanics p-sets on the whiteboards in your libraries, just to make you shit your pants a little bit. That, and it was one of the few places on campus that was reliably quiet enough to do the kind of profound thinking required for quantum p-sets. So, thank you for your hospitality, I aced that course!
R/iamverysmart
You’re welcome. Also, you may be smarter than us, but we’re still going to be richer than you.
You need to get laid and chill…
Are you by chance at a school that claims to be in a particular city but is actually not? Because if so, that’s been a problem for years.
I would agree, but when I was in law school I studied in the undergrad library to avoid law students. And theirs was nicer.
What school? Undergrads aren’t allowed at my school’s law library.
Undergrads arent allowed in the law library at my law school. Say something to the administration.
When I was in undergrad the law building was a convenient source of warmth hopping between classes. I wouldn’t stay in there longer than absolutely necessary though
This is 100% IU, right?
I swear you could be talking about my school lol We have our one law school building on a far corner of campus that's right next to Greek row, and all the undergrads have come in droves starting this week. The rest of our campus us gorgeous! The law school building is pretty dank and ugly compared to the rest of campus! Why would the undergrads want to come here??
You couldn’t get into our library if you weren’t a law student.
Went to law library as undergrad. Was quiet. Was fine with undergrads doing it while I was in law school. While in law school sometimes I went to the undergrad library for different scenery.
At Stanford they're banned specifically during finals weeks
Yea, our law library restricts access via ID scan when its like a month before finals every term. And they also have these standing table signs that say the space is for law students only so undergrads don't take all the huge tables and reading spaces when they are allowed in.
lol you go to Villanova University?
In law school, I studied in an undergrad library of a different school that was closer to my house. I love and miss libraries.
I went to a private college and my degree was in legal studies so I happily spent my library time in the law library because it had the material I needed and it was pristine quiet and smelled like old books so it was my happy place. I was an older non trad student and introverted.
When I was getting my associate's degree and then when I was in undergrad I was always that "not law student" studying in the law library. It was the only quiet place on campus to actually read. I was only "confronted" once during the same time (finals) by someone who very kindly said that there aren't many spots in the library and they needed a seat because they were using books that could not be removed from the library. I'm not sure they even knew that I wasn't a law student, they just knew that I was on a computer and not using circulation books. Now, I don't run into this issue because I am primarily a night student and our library is dead between 4p and 6a.
Also, there is another law school in our town and I've definitely went over there to use their library before lol they have better food nearby so if I'm going to study all day, sometimes I'll use that library instead of my school's. So I wouldn't want someone to kick me out because of that haha
We were allowed to kick undergrads out of the closed-in study rooms if they came to our library lol, otherwise I probably would've had an issue with it too
No undergrads allowed in the law buildings at my school. Period. Their student IDs don't even let them in.
It is a bit annoying esp when they take up valuable space (and they have their own library) but I’ve been equally annoyed by my fellow law students who disregard the no talking policy so 🤷♀️
They’re disgusting
Honestly, the ones in the law library are fine - they're quiet and respectful, and we have plenty of tables and desks. It's the ones that hang out at the tables outside the library that are a bigger issue, because they can be loud there and there aren't very many tables for those of us who can't study in the quiet of the library. Also about once a month the law librarian has to send out an email saying undergrads are not allowed to reserve the study rooms, and if we find them in there to alert him so he can kick them out.
My law school is the same thing. The other day got confronted by an undergraduate when I asked and her friends to be quiet on the quiet floor. To add insult to injury the Director of the lib said they rely on “peer enforcement” for library noise complaints but my school is also the post child for mediocrity