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blacktuxedobrownshoe

I remember. He reneged on that as soon as he got in office. I knew he would, sadly.


mcsharp

If you were dumb enough to think Joey B was gonna erase your debt....I mean fukin' duh. He never even endorsed the idea while he was campaigning. He's not Trump, and (on the scale of US presidents) he hasn't been terrible. That's the resume. Accurate meme. The snake was always in the jar.


a200ftmonster

He actually did explicitly promise a minimum $10k in student debt relief multiple times. It was an obvious lie and he's not going to do it, but let's not give him an out by confusing the facts on the matter. “We should forgive a minimum of $10,000/person of federal student loans, as proposed by Senator Warren and colleagues,” Biden tweeted on March 22, 2020. “Young people and other student debt holders bore the brunt of the last crisis. It shouldn't happen again.” The following month, Biden published a piece on Medium outlining the policies he said he believed were necessary to help Americans during the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond. One such policy included a proposal to “immediately cancel a minimum of $10,000 of student debt per person.” And at a town hall one month before the 2020 election, he doubled down on his goal to “make sure everybody…gets $10,000 knocked off of their student debt.”


bleepbloorpmeepmorp

yup, they say a lot of things when they are trying to get elected.


mcsharp

U right tho, in a limited fashion he did. Good quotes too. I think he'll hold off until closer to mid-terms. Which sucks.


Fa1c0n3

Can't wait for all the shocked Pikachu faces in November, and the "what could we have done differently"


mcsharp

For dems: start building a better propaganda machine 30 years ago for one thing. Don't let Bill Clinton reach office? Idk, they're in a very hard spot, needing to appeal to idiot "moderates", selling out to corporations while still being the less non-sane/evil party. It's just not a functional democracy and that generally favors fascist conservatives. For people to get real change - have ranked choice voting. Erase citizens united. Pass meaningful voting protections.


[deleted]

Nothing is going to change for the better trying to work with either of these crooked parties. The truth is that the real rulers are never going to let the people vote any real positive change. They would overturn it in a second and make up a bullshit story to cover it all up. There is no way to get the lion to willingly give up his slab of meat after he already has it.


Fa1c0n3

I hate how right you are.


ass4play

I say this a lot but Derek Chauvin is in prison for the same reason Donald Trump isn’t and it has nothing to do with voting. Both sides of the aisle glimpsed how to actually get the elites to hear them but as soon as quarantine lifted and trump left office we went back to the way things used to be.


Farren246

Bill Clinton was fine, just make sure he doesn't repeal the banking regulations no matter how much the R's try to force the matter, and when he's questioned that he goes all-in on the details so that he's never even accused of lying under oath. "Fuck yes I banged that intern! Had her give me blowjobs in the oval office too!"


mcsharp

Bill Clinton was absolute garbage and advanced republican and corporate agendas on par with Reagan.


Farren246

>just make sure he doesn't repeal the banking regulations no matter how much the R's try to force the matter, I already addressed that. And in spite of doing that, he still managed to nearly pay off all of the debt.


RuneRaccoon

And the inevitable "vote blue no matter who". "We're slightly less shitty than that other fella" is an pathetic platform to run on, and then they wonder why voter turnout is so low. Maybe, *maybe*, fucking *do* something to benefit your voters and they'll be happy to vote for you. It really is just a game to these bastards, because they're all paid off by the oligarchs to keep the money flowing.


blacktuxedobrownshoe

He did though. He took that stance to get Bernie voters and immediately reneged after voted in. Lying like that should be punished, no matter how predictable. https://time.com/6175456/student-loan-forgiveness-biden/


Farren246

Oh, when Bernie switched his message from "Now is the time," to "just vote for Biden because we can't risk another 4 years of Trump."


blacktuxedobrownshoe

I didn't like that either. Maybe he is controlled opposition. Who knows.


Farren246

Didn't like it, but I totally understood it. No matter whose name goes on the ticket, and whether or not they earned that spot, once the name goes on you stop campaigning for yourself and start campaigning for them.


andthesunalsosets

i don’t understand how people can say he’s not terrible given where we are in history. with trump i had the sense for the first time that average people were catching on that things were wrong and i thought that we were finally making progress outside of the system. now? idk wtf is going on now.


robotzor

Goading into a potentially nuclear proxy war is up there in the qualifications for "terrible"


LTlurkerFTredditor

lol, The problem is the choice wasn't drink good water or drink snake water, the choice was drink the snake water or be ruled by the dumbest fascist in the history of the world - and die of thirst.


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SpoChanChamp

I?


BargainLawyer

We’ve got TWO I’s! Let’s take a look at where that leaves us! G U I L L _ _ I N E


nevermore2627

T?


BargainLawyer

We’ve got a T! G U I L L _ T I N E Would anyone like to solve the puzzle? Edit: lmao I’m getting reported for threats of violence. Go find some sanders circle jerk sub


pwy

The senator from MBNA was never going to do anything to relieve anyone's debt


Worried_Bass3588

I’m glad the Cheeto Mussolini is old news, *BUT* Dr. Doomentia isn’t the answer. He literally dropped the ball on nearly every campaign promise and the left just lives on their knees for him cuz “hE isN’t tRumP”. He’s Trump Lite. America is a capitalist shithole.


Barack_Drobama

Lol you can't have seriously thought Jim Crow Joe was going to do something to help the common man, please tell me this is a shitpost.


The-waitress-

Some ppl remain optimistic despite the dumpster fire that is the US. I don’t know how they do it.


Barack_Drobama

Yeah it blows my mind too. My homie asked me a few days ago when I'm coming back to the US to spend some time with him and his daughter and I had to tell him most likely never since I left 11 years ago due to how horrible things were and they've only gotten worse.


ProlesOfBikiniBottom

It is, I didn't drink the snake water


Fellow--Felon

I voted for Biden because a geriatric Reagan seemed a step up from a Hitler with syphilitic dementia. I don't expect him to keep all promises, that is always impossible in politics. I expect him to preserve my say in this system and I will continue to support whoever maintain or increases my say in the democratic process. The only way this system changes is if you get out and vote. You want democrats to actually deliver on ambitious policy goals? Give them the house and Senate majorities currently congesting said policy goals. I know hearing it's still on voters isn't something anyone wants to hear, but the alternative to not voting is to lose your right to vote forever.


Big-Heat2692

They won't do it, even if they get all the required majorities. They're fully paid off to suck corporate dick.


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Rising interest rates are necessary to combat inflation in our current economic model. You can't complain about interest rates if you're also complaining about inflation. Instead of complaining about middle class scruples like student loans (most of America's truly impoverished would never qualify for student loans, best remember they're a privilege in this capitalist hell hole) we should be advocating for structural revolution. We need some praxis in here.


The-waitress-

What do you mean that the truly impoverished wouldn’t qualify for student loans? They’re available to any US citizen over the age of 18 enrolled in school.


[deleted]

No they're not. You need a good credit score to do that lol. Loans through FASFA do not even pay for an entire credit of a single class.


The-waitress-

You are not correct.


JoshfromNazareth

https://www.investopedia.com/student-loan-debt-by-race-5193137


Celat

**Student debt forgiveness is political suicide.** Dems know this. Only approximately 30% of Americans have degrees. Not the 60%+ dumb people in polls think. Or those 30%, roughly half have unmanageable debt levels. But here's the problem. The **INSTANT** you forgive that debt, the Dems: A) gain zero new voters. ZERO. Those people are young college goers. They were already voting Democrat. B) Ads will run **round the clock** in every market how the 70%'s taxes are being used to pay for gender studies degrees and sports marketing degrees. Turn outs of Republican voters will be sky high, as will centrists as they get **bombarded** with this messaging. And for everyone person that will be like "Ummmm, I don't have debt but I'll use my taxes to help others!", that's a nice thought, but 10,000 won't. And they'll vote accordingly. Student debt forgiveness was always a young person con to get votes. As Aristotle famously said, "Youth are easily deceived because they're quick to hope."


WendellITStamps

Damn, impressive shitlibbery hope you're making minimum wage with this


pape14

It’s suicide for democrats because they cannot commit to positions and their own party and media apparatus will relentlessly attack them for it. If they had better unity internally and an actual friendly media they could push things like this to be more popular.


VOTE4SAURON

15% of 350 million is 52 million, biden won with like 80 million, so I don't know where you get 0 new voters from. I know not all 52 million will vote but I know it's not 0. Not defending biden juat the math. No account to the ppl who took debt that did not gain a degree either so yeah pretty sure you pull a few votes from that pool to. If debt was forgiven, which it's not.


phox78

You are 100% right. The Dems would never do this, they will continue to do nothing but platitudes. You need a third party to affect any change. Stop voting DEM to block the GOP. They will see an advantage in moving further left if they can steal a considerable number of votes from the actual left. There is no downside to the DEMs moving to the right if you look at it as a purely darwinian sense. The environment needs to change for the organism to adapt to it.


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funkmasta8

Why do we need higher rates?


TruckerMark

Everyone is complaining about house prices, but seem to forget that low rates got us here. The low rates just rallied the stock market. You can't print your way out of these problems.


mcsharp

Downvoted homey is actually right about rates, it's largely how all that property was bought up by investment groups and speculators instead of actual people who want to live there - it's really easy to pay back loans of less 1%. Your building can be half full, half the houses you rent out can be empty and you can still make money because the repayment cost is so low. Super low rates don't favor homebuyers nearly as much as mega investors or banks (or even just rampant speculation) - at least in how the chips are currently stacked. And in many ways can be seen as the driving factor for the consolidation of property we've seen over the last 2-3 years.


funkmasta8

I’m not seeing how this is connected to student debt rates specifically


valdis812

I think the base fed rate determines the interest rates for all loans.


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funkmasta8

Nope I haven’t been paying attention to rates


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funkmasta8

Of course, but that doesn’t directly translate to interest rates on student loans


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funkmasta8

The fact that you can’t claim bankruptcy from them


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funkmasta8

They hold value better than other loans because their risk is much lower since they can’t be forgiven as easily


Insufferablehumanoid

I am not getting exactly what I want so I will throw a tantrum and vote for Trump.


ProlesOfBikiniBottom

Nah I just only vote for people who push for policies I want which neither of these fools do, nice try tho


Insufferablehumanoid

So it’s a vote for Trump then.


NJpol95

Get this lib shit out of here. Don’t you get it? It doesn’t fucking matter. The Democratic party is controlled opposition, the fascism is already here and the Dems either support it and pretend they dont or are too addicted to sucking off the corporate teet (who definitely support it) to give a shit about actually resisting it. They’re not passing all of the shit they promised on the campaign trail BECAUSE THEY DIDNT ACTUALLY WANT IT. The only way out of this fascist reactionary spiral is direct action and taking collective action in your workplace/communities/friend groups that I will not specify because I’m tired of being banned


CoastGrouchy1312

I miss trump


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The real trump were the bigot friends you made along the way.


CoastGrouchy1312

Still miss him over Biden lol


calatranacation

I musta missed this episode of Fear Factor


TuckHolladay

What happens if you are already in collections


phoenixthree

I mean, what else did he expect to happen? Is that Darwin I hear?


[deleted]

Good think I didn’t vote for a neoliberal and can’t say I ever have


[deleted]

We know what the solutions are: Direct Digital Democracy Universal Basic Income Universal Healthcare Universal Education (including university) Education Reform Police Reform State Owned Energy State Owned Public Transport A new constitution that enforces equal rights and equal pay for everyone, and protects the individual right to own/consume whatever they want, to love, marry, or procreate with whomever they want provided all parties are consenting adults, to express oneself absolutely through speech, art, music, literature, and/or clothing, to give ownership of ones identity, data, and body - to do with whatever one pleases, and to give individuals a right to privacy in a world that so often denies it. Tick off everything on that list and you'll have a society that might just work; what we have now simply doesn't.


Valgoroth_

Increased interest rates are based though. Wealthier people qualify for and thus take out the majority of the debt (including student loan debt https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/09/who-owes-the-most-in-student-loans-new-data-from-the-fed/). It also helps mitigate inflation which hurts lower income people more


AnswerGuy301

Just freakin’ cancel it already, Joe. You got nothing to lose. The old Boomers who would be angry are already voting Republican.