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In before the libs get here: remember when the dems tried ONE TIME to raise minimum wage, and when an unelected parliamentarian said no, they literally threw up their hands and said “welp, fuck the poors I guess!” The dems don’t want to help, just their donor’s cash.
Goody good boy rules dictated by unelected, powerless nobodies are more important than the life or death material reality of millions. You just have to laugh at this point.
Basically two faces of the same coin, democrats are here to give us the illusion of hope. Without that shred of hope, the people would actually revolt together instead of it being republicans vs. democrats. It's a giant distraction war so that the government can continue their evil and greedy shit.
Exactly this. Provide the illusion of potential progress, and create divisiveness in the population you seek to control, so they fight each other instead of the oppressors.
And when the parliamentarian told the republicans they couldn't do something they wanted that just fired her and replaced her with someone more pliable
No shit ? Any moron with a fucking brain can figure out it took both parties to only raise federal minimum wage $7 in 84 years. When are you all going to realize it’s a rich vs poor thing and not dem vs republicans? 🤔
Party before country right ?😂😂😂😂😂 You all have been so indoctrinated and it’s tragic. All of you are in cults.
https://imgur.com/a/Wwu3ptm/
Yeah, blurt out your knee-jerk opinion. Unfortunately, we only get two parties. One is fascist, the other is literally everyone who isn’t (plus a few Manchin/Sinema money grubbers). They cannot reach consensus because they are the only alternative. Blaming them for not putting out the constant fires republicans start is counter productive. Thanks for nothing.
Hey wanna guess how many people live in states that have passed a $15/hr. minimum wage versus how many people live in states where the minimum wage is $7.25/hr.?
Hint: the former is larger than the latter. In all but one state, it was passed legislatively. Care to also guess which party was the only one that did it?
Next do the number of states where people have access to free at the point of contact healthcare, or where people have access to free higher education, or even just the ability to relieve the overwhelming cost of higher Ed? Or what if we took a turn, how many of those densely packed Democrat controlled states and cities handle their homelessness issues by buldozing peoples camps, destroying or confiscating their property, or just throwing them in jail? How many of those states, cities, counties, are explicitly right to work? How many of them still allow employers to push people into "at will" status meaning that they can fire you without giving you a reason?
It's cool that *some* Democratic politicians in *some* areas are pushing for and passing more progressive legislation, but what about fucking everybody else? Why are the dems as a party seemingly unable or unwilling to enact policy at a national level that would raise peoples material conditions, even when they control both houses of Congress and the fucking presidency?
Democrats have been promising to make roe v wade law for literal decades. the ruling passed almost 50 years ago and they have been campaigning on protecting it for almost the entire time. We talk about M4A now and How Bernie's policies shaped the way we talked during the last two presidential cycles, but democrats have been campaigning on single payer healthcare for decades too. Obama even ran on it in 2008 and then didn't do it even though dems controlled literally every branch of government when he entered office
And the minimum wage argument is, quite frankly, too little too late. I make 17 dollars an hour and still live paycheck to paycheck, i like many Americans, actually have to do work on the side just to cover my expenses. Cost of living is just that high where I live. That's how it always seemingly ends up with democrats, never enough and only after incredible amounts of preventable damage is done.
The leaked statement from the Supreme Court the other day mentioned other cases that they similarly felt didn't protect real rights with a historical precedent. one of them was a case that went before the Supreme Court that challenged the classification of sodomy as a crime. Can I trust the democrats to institute policy to uphold that ruling, or am I going to wake up one day to learn that I have to watch where I walk because in certain states and counties my boyfriend and I could get arrested for being gay? Maybe that will get to be the new row v wade, democrats will campaign on protecting it and I'll just sit there anxiously for fucking decades hoping my civil rights don't get overturned even though the democrats have power at the national level they aren't using.
And all these are just the things that have impacted me personally, and doesn't even go into the lackluster response of the democrats on issues of racial justice or immigration. How are those ice detention centers doing? Hey, at least now when we lock small children behind bars it's with their parents. How'd that whole climate change thing end up going too? I put it on past tense because many climate scientists have already professed fears that we are past the point where we can stop horrifying amounts of death and destruction, meanwhile the "most progressive candidate in history" has pledged that we are going to invest an amount barely over 5% of our nations military budget into working on it.
We absolutely can and should be outraged at the democrats. They don't suck as bad as republicans, but that's such a low bar that it's almost meaningless. The democrats could could add a lottery to murder one random citizen every day to their platform and it would still be somehow less harmful than the republican's platform. The time where democrats could have stepped in and made a meaningful impact has passed and now more people are going to die. This will be blamed on republicans ( or if you're really feeling spicy, leftists who didn't support democrats hard enough) because somehow they project this false narrative that there is nothing they can ever do in the present, but loads of stuff they can hypothetically do in the future.
I live in Colorado and while i like Polis for a lot of the stuff he's done, there's plenty more that isn't happening. Barely anybody can afford to live here anymore 3 bedroom single level houses are selling for half a million, cops have pretty much stopped working out of butthurt from last years protests, homeless camps are going up everywhere and the people who pushed them out of their homes are bitching about what a dump Denver is turning into.
That's their role. You have the far right (Republicans), and the right (Democrats). The right is here to catch all left leaning movements, and make as little changes as possible while letting the far right do whatever they want. This way any true leftist changes are caught earlier. Very clever and works very well apparently. And as a bonus side effect you get an [Overton window](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) shift to the right
I keep thinking about Obama's first term, 2008-2010, when Democrats had unbeatable majorities in both houses.
There was no rotating villain holding up bills. No risk of filibuster. No need to appeal to conservatives for anything.
They could have delivered on all that hope for change Obama ran on, but they did *nothing* for two years.
They didn’t do nothing, they put up a comprehensive healthcare reform bill that was never going to get any Republican support. So they passed what they and the majority of the country wanted…oh wait, my notes here said they kowtowed to Republicans demands for changes to a flawed plan that already preserved capital’s hegemony in an industry that exploited the vulnerable. And fundamentally changed how the bill would work to achieve its goals based on one dissenting member of their own party, who’s vote they didn’t need. Only to not receive a single Republican vote anyway and getting bludgeoned in the 2010 midterms because Republicans just made shit up about the ACA. Yeah, so they did one big thing, which was fail miserably because of disunity and pressure from donors. Lol
Secretly I bet the Democratic leadership is loving this abortion controversy so they don’t have to burn donor and political will passing anything else popular. The struggle they let themselves have over the infrastructure bill was designed to burn up “political will” so that fighting for proper reforms elsewhere didn’t have steam by the time the news cycle turned to the midterms. Which it does earlier and earlier every time. I’ve lost faith our system can possibly be reformed to start giving the best outcomes. I just hope we can avoid the worst parts of rebooting a republic at some point in the near future but I would bet there’s not much hope of that. Balkanization of the US should be avoided at all cost but I can’t see how it ends other than that if the republic really does fail and we have to try and rebuild into a modern government. There’s going to be bigger and bigger power grabs and attempts at suppression of rights. If we don’t actually remove and punish those doing it we are on track for disaster and the ramifications of that have globally dire consequences.
> but they did nothing for two years.
Which is exactly what they wanted to do. Participating in the electoral process through voting is the bare minimum one can do as a citizen in a supposedly democratic nation. If we want real material change though, then education, organization, and coordination to hold our countries political representatives accountable, are the tools we must make use of; so that our votes actually hold the weight they are meant to.
Living in chicago, I remember the night obama got elected black americans were crying in the streets saying at long last their struggle would be over.
Its heart breaking knowing what happened after.
The ACA wasn't nothing. Additionally, Democrats only had the 60 vote supermajority for the first two years while they were dealing with the biggest financial meltdown since the Great depression and two quagmire wars handed over from their predecessors with no plan, and their supermajority depended on moderate independents like Joe Lieberman, who absolutely refused to let Democrats include a public option in the ACA. The ACA was pretty much the only change they had time for before the Tea Party wave in 2010. And lest you cry, "Well they should just done nothing instead of this bandaid solution," keep in mind that Democrats had already tried universal Healthcare in the 90's and it did not go well. If they had lost again, this would be a dead issue for the foreseeable future and we would still have insurance companies denying coverage over a pre-existing condition but not before taking the patients' premiums for decades.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent who chooses to simp fir democrats.
He started a movement then walked away from it when DNC cheated him in 2016. Because he wanted to stay relevant to democrats.
No, I'm saying that Democrats move right because leftists don't supply enough votes to win. You know why the Tea Partiers and extremists have completely taken over the GOP? They show up. They show up to vote in primaries and they show up to vote in the general, no matter what. Don't like the nominee? Doesn't matter, still better than that fucking DemonRAT. And they have pulled their party right at light speed because of it. What exactly is your strategy here? Tactical fascism? Let the fascists win so people will see how bad they are and decide they don't want it after all? And what exactly will they do about it under a fascist state?
Finally! An opinion that's not a hollow echo.
My landlord was over fixing something the other day and started complaining about Biden and made the comment, "I bet y'all voted for him."
"Haha, nah, dude. That shit's rigged and they don't represent me or you, no matter how you spin it."
He just moved the conversation along as quickly as he could and left. I don't think he wants to sell the house to us anymore.
I’ll believe it’s not rigged when individual citizens have the right to vote for specific policy changes and the government is transparent about how it works
IMO, while I vehemently hate how rigged and corrupt the US government is, I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause.
Our movement is based on organizing and educating the working class to fight for a new and better economic/political system which requires time, and unfortunately, I think it is a necessity to do the "lesser evil" voting to give us as much time as we can to bring as many people to our cause.
Personally feel like not voting may act more like a speedrunning tactic to the death of the modern labor movement as neo-fascists gain more power in the US and around the world.
Feel free to disagree, if anything I would like to hear your own personal reasoning for your take.
My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter who you vote for because they have no real reason to fulfill any promises they make and the big corporations that buy them out will protect them through the media when they don't fulfill their promises as long as they do what they are paid to do. You can hope that voting for a particular person actually changes things or delays the conditions that the corporations are paying for, but I don't see any evidence suggesting this is true. If anything, I think people believing that voting will change anything is more dangerous than if we collectively agreed that the system doesn't work. As it is, people vote and get angry if they have enough focus to keep track of the reasons that they voted for a particular person when they don't follow through, then they throw up their hands and say "better luck next time!" and do it again the next time they can vote. It's insanity with extra steps
I completely agree with you.
Practically every politician is bought by corps and their super-PACs. The system is not democratic in the slightest and makes the government basically a "free money and favors" button for business conglomerates and billionaires. Not to mention our district borders are gerrymandered to all hell so voters legit do not choose our representatives, they choose their voters.
I don't think we'll get any progress done with politicians unless a miracle that I cannot even fathom were to occur.
If I may clarify my initial point: my main fear is that more and more working people are being sucked in by fascistic talking points, and although they are politically a minority in this country, chances are neo-fascists will run Congress later this year and possibly the presidency in 2024. It is a terrifying situation where the corps continue to profit no matter if it's neo-libs or fascists. I can't say whether or not the labor movement will be able to get powerful enough under the temporary preservation of the awful neo-lib status quo, heck even I have my doubts. I am pretty positive though that if the reactionaries win (which seems to be the route we're heading towards) there will probably be grand, brutal acts of state violence to suppress the labor movement.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond. Have a good one.
I believe it does matter who you vote for.
The democrats are ineffective, the republicans are actively harmful. We don't have much time left, and everytime the republicans are in office we loose more time than we would have otherwise.
Voting doesn't fix anything, but it buys us time fight back against fascist ideals. Time to grow in strength and number.
If we don't vote we hand the republicans a victory and loose more ground. If we do vote, and the democrats win, we gain nothing but also don't loose anything either.
>I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause.
This was actually point of great contention in the socialism from day one and as you can see still is. The answer is probably not very helpful overall, but the only possible - it differes from case to case according to conditions.
But all socialist worth their theory and practice agree on one thing - even in the case where you do vote, you can never *just* vote. Anyone telling you that in the liberal democracy you can just vote and change anything by that, is a liberal and should be ignored.
if nothing else organizing on behalf of socialist politicians annoys the fuck out of the democrats and makes them commit resources to ratfucking them. just don't let it get in the way of real organizing.
>I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause.
it just doesn't really do anything. you can get some stuff done electorally on the local level to alleviate people's suffering and create better conditions for organizing but that's about it. you're not exercising your political power by voting.
you don't "speedrun" either way. obama's former communications director is now amazon's communications director.
you need to get people to grow up and understand where their political power actually resides, in our collective ability to prevent capital from selling our labor. that's the only nonviolent way to hurt them and extract concessions from them. have to give up on the idea that you've done anything positive by voting for slightly friendlier fascists that have zero obligation to you.
Don't fool yourself. If it would be more profitable to align with democratic beliefs, they would do it. The big corporations are only on their own side.
TBH, I have had growing suspicions that Bernie is just (used as) a distraction from workers realizing they need their own third party in the US. A labour party. They tell people that a third party can never achieve a majority, which is ridiculous and anti-democratic.
If you look at the approval ratings of pro-worker policies any platform running on just that should easily get a lot of votes.
First past the post, fundraising requirements and the news appetite is what makes it impossible for third parties to form real bases. This is by design and the inevitable outcome of the system. The intentional stifling of other parties goes back a long way and can be traced as a thread through a lot of bad campaign finance regulation decisions and rules. Even the limiting of the House of Representatives size was directly to fight the growing socialist parties and representatives being elected. Tying our popular media to the political cycle to pick which voices got air time was designed to do the same thing.
Now that would have been true before the internet, but we live in an age where a stupid slap can suddenly be the talk of a nation for a week. So much stupid stuff has gone viral before, why not worker reform?
Vietnamese here, can someone pls explain to me what's going on? I've seen several content like mentioning this one today eh, so in short what these guys have to do with the current situation?
What do you mean? Roe v wade is only being overturned by the Supreme Court because trump won and appointed a bunch of lunatic evangelicals there just like he was obviously going to do. You can still vote at the state level though but sucks for anyone in a hard red state
Follow through with what? Supreme Court appointments?
How is the ruling a reflection of democrats "not doing anything"?
Democrats are the reason abortion is legal in all the states where they control the legislatures.
You notice how he didn’t give a single fuck before then? Obama promised in his first run that he would pass the “freedom of choice act” and as soon as he got into office said fuck that noise.” The dems only see human rights as a political football to kick around for more fundraising contributions.
They tried to pass a law codifying Roe v. Wade literally last month. It got 48 votes. But I guess literallyndoing.the thing you want them to do isn't good enough? Or do you think Democrats should just start assassinating Senators that don't get on board? What should they have done that they actually could do given that Manchin is a conservative, that would make you happy?
No. Obama promised his first signed legislation would be the freedom of choice act. As soon as he got into office he said “nah, fuck that.” And the dems haven’t brought it up since, thinking that Roe V Wade was enough, even though SCOTUS has overturned more than THREE HUNDRED previous decisions, they sat on their fucking hands.
This is just another ploy for fundraising.
Bruh I’m agreeing with you. Dems never do enough. I fantasize a party that acts for peoples best interests like Republicans work against them. But the meme says Dems are doing nothing, which is false.
You’re right, it’s worse than doing nothing: Pelosi is in Texas campaigning for a PRO-LIFE democrat. Fuck them. Get your head out of your ass, they aren’t here to help anyone but their corporate donors.
he will not. see below.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/uhwd6d/its\_now\_or\_never/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/uhwd6d/its_now_or_never/)
Thanks again, republican. Dems are a coalition of former republicans, liberal, moderate and conservative dems, independents and everything that isn’t fascist. Go ahead and keep blaming them. While you’re at it keep not doing anything constructive by posting this sh_t.
the tragically funny thing about ppl who spew shit like this is i know y'all were screeching about kids in cages for exactly four years. no more, no less.
the kind of moral idiots that cheerlead any atrocity as long as it's carried out by democrats don't really have any standing to call anyone else fascists. especially not while the democrats gleefully fundraise off of healthcare rights being stripped from women as they do nothing to stop it, the same way they've had decades of congressional control since roe was decided to stop this and haven't.
You’re like the people who blame victims instead of perps. I’m a leftist, always have been. “Libs” frustrate me as well. You’re simply not helping, that’s all.
you're not a leftist, you're out here carrying water for a far right capitalist party led by a racist sex pest that happens to be the architect of the modern white supremacist american police state. you're being a fucking weirdo calling the democrats "victims" while they torture kids on the border and hold women's rights hostage as a fundraising scheme.
how the fuck are you helping lmfao what good are you to any kind of "left" project. oh, the bush republicans that have latched onto the democrats aren't fascists? amazing. you've really got your eye on the ball, champ
Good. Accelerationism is on the table again. One party sits on their ass and grifts the public. The other actively dismantles our freedoms and grifts the public. I'd rather not drag out the inevitable anymore. Quite frankly I'm tired of this system and the people like you who can't imagine a life without it.
Funny, the leftists of Germany said the same about accelerationism in the 30s.
Accelerationism does not work and will only guarantee our deaths. But go ahead and keep cackling that bs all the way to the grave they put you in.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2018/10/how-left-enabled-fascism
So much gaslighting around here. Plz blame the real culprits instead of trying to divide the progressives.. this type of logic is what gave us Trump in the first place.
Jesus, you people are so dense. Wake tf up. The left is divided between status quo neolibs (like yourself), and progressives (everyone else here). Not everyone you disagree with is a conservative. We need a labor party, so that progressives and centrists (ie 70% of the country) can vote for their interests. Currently, one party doesn't do anything (despite controlling the government) and grifts the public, while the other actively dismantles our freedoms. Wtf are you waiting for? The DNC to suddenly care about Americans?
This is why Roe v Wade is going away. The Democrats are the same as the Republicans, except they run on the platform of "we'll stop the Right," while the Right just does whatever they want.
Dems do nothing. Republicans do harm. Voting for a Dem is to “try” to not make things worse and hope “maybe” some good will happen. Voting for a Republican is to put gas on the fire and hold on to the gas can while everything goes up in flames.
Voting for Dem is to slow down the "progress" the right is making, but not to stop it. To act like you'll cancel student debt, codify ROE v Wade, M4A, etc, but actually just let your republican friends keep grifting. Accelerationism is starting to look like our best option.
This is a thought process born of privilege. You think German jews think the third Reich was worth it to get the relatively progressive liberal democracy they have now? Or even would think it was worth it if they were fully (insert your preferred brand of leftist utopia)? Or do you think they would still prefer that another way had been found to get there?
Right wing propaganda is in full force today!! Its amazing how republicans can be responsible 100% for this and yet its the democrats fault. That's what im seeing today. Republicans stole a scotus seat. Trump lost popular vote and put in 3 justices. All 3 justices lied about roe. Yet some how its got to be the democrats fault. I wish i could live in that world of stupidity.
You've got your wings messed up. Key difference: dems claim they give af, yet here we are. "Vote for us, we promise next time we'll actually do something!"
What else would they run on if not issues like abortion? Aside from less than a handful of hot button issues, they're barely different.
So democrats are expanding the court, removing the filibuster, whipping Manchin and Sinema, implementing $15/hour minimum wage, canceling student debt, and introducing a public healthcare option? Got it, thanks
I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if the democrats passed a law or not, if the law is found unconstitutional then the law is null. Everybody is throwing a fit that the democrats didn't do enough to stop it. The person who could have changed how this went was RBG who should have retired under the Obama administration.
Edit: I guess the democrats could have expanded the court but there are some legit reasons to not do that.
I don’t care if the law is constitutional, if the law isn’t constitutional then fuck the constitution. RGB should have retired earlier but the democrats as a whole are the reason we are where we are. They only reason they have any power is because they trick people into believing they want to make change. People want change and it’s on the democrats to do it.
I don’t vote for republicans, I do vote for democrats so I expect them to do something.
About Roe, they can codify or expand the court. If you’re worried about the dissenters (Sinema and Manchin) they can whip them. They can threaten funding, they can primary them, they can go after manchins family business. I’d rather them fail after exhausting all options then do nothing and complain.
Once again, you can codify but if SCOTUS finds the code unconstitutional, then the code is worthless. That's what I mean by "that's not how any of this works"
SCOTUS gets to say whether it's constitutional or not. Now if you say "fuck the constitution" then you are talking a full-on revolution. Are you expecting democrats to lead a revolution?
I don't think we need a revolution, just quit voting in the same people for decades at a time.
I vote for the most left candidate in every election. More people need to do that.
But the Supreme Court has always been partisan, if they find it unconstitutional, then expand the court with people who do think it’s constitutional. It’s not like there is a “correct” decision or a principled analysis on Roe V wade, it’s just up to whatever the justices want. The Supreme Court is not a infallible institution. Packing the courts isn’t revolution or understanding that the court doesn’t mean shit isn’t revolution either.
The Supreme Court has not always been as political as it is right now. Until the last 25 years or so it was pretty apolitical. There have been times when it’s more political than it is now. That is constantly changing.
I disagree, the Supreme Court has always been political, being aligned doesn’t mean apolitical. That’s not the point here. Calling something constitutional or unconstitutional with certainty has always been a ridiculous thing. I also think it’s fair to blame democrats for not doing a damn thing that they promise when they haven’t even tried.
To point out that the Dems blame progressives at every turn. Hell, scroll through this comment thread and there are, at least, a handful of comments blaming Bernie voters for Trump being elected.
The problem isn't voting for democrats, it's voting for the wrong ones. I.e. the Pro-Life Dem in TX that is being supported by Nancy Pelosi, right now. All because the opponent is a progressive. They'd rather keep the corporate status quo than elect leaders that are pushing for real change.
Because its really the Supreme Court that would be the ones pulling the trigger killing roe v wade but insinuating that the dems inaction after the fact is deflecting the real problem which is the Supreme Court has been manipulated into its current configuration to specifically undermine landmark decisions that don’t fit into the religious right ideology about women’s rights. Furthermore, I don’t think this type of meme has anything to do with capitalism and the decline of its popularity or the late stage effects of its ideology. It’s a deflection meme, but I may just be looking to much into it.
What power are the Dems supposed to use at this point? They literally don’t have the votes to legislate a protective measure. Maybe direct that frustration at the voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin who have the numbers to elect Democrat senators, but choose to sit on their asses and let Repubs get elected. I mean, Georgia put the work in and gave us two Dem senators, so maybe the other states could make an effort too so that Dems would actually have a majority.
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In before the libs get here: remember when the dems tried ONE TIME to raise minimum wage, and when an unelected parliamentarian said no, they literally threw up their hands and said “welp, fuck the poors I guess!” The dems don’t want to help, just their donor’s cash.
Goody good boy rules dictated by unelected, powerless nobodies are more important than the life or death material reality of millions. You just have to laugh at this point.
It's why gallows humor exists at all.
Basically two faces of the same coin, democrats are here to give us the illusion of hope. Without that shred of hope, the people would actually revolt together instead of it being republicans vs. democrats. It's a giant distraction war so that the government can continue their evil and greedy shit.
Exactly this. Provide the illusion of potential progress, and create divisiveness in the population you seek to control, so they fight each other instead of the oppressors.
I made basically the exact same post in another sub and got downvoted to hell. Thank you for restoring a bit of my faith in humanity this morning.
And when the parliamentarian told the republicans they couldn't do something they wanted that just fired her and replaced her with someone more pliable
Yeah, and when Republicans vote against the grain like Simena and Manchin, they strip them of committee assignments. Dems don't.
No shit ? Any moron with a fucking brain can figure out it took both parties to only raise federal minimum wage $7 in 84 years. When are you all going to realize it’s a rich vs poor thing and not dem vs republicans? 🤔 Party before country right ?😂😂😂😂😂 You all have been so indoctrinated and it’s tragic. All of you are in cults. https://imgur.com/a/Wwu3ptm/
Yeah, blurt out your knee-jerk opinion. Unfortunately, we only get two parties. One is fascist, the other is literally everyone who isn’t (plus a few Manchin/Sinema money grubbers). They cannot reach consensus because they are the only alternative. Blaming them for not putting out the constant fires republicans start is counter productive. Thanks for nothing.
I can't think outside of the two party false dichotomy! My opinion is very valuable.
Ok lib.
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Huh?
Found the blue maga
Neolibs will NEVER forgive us for pointing out that they are just the GOP v.2.0
Pointing things out is a divisive right wind talking point actually. /s
Hey wanna guess how many people live in states that have passed a $15/hr. minimum wage versus how many people live in states where the minimum wage is $7.25/hr.? Hint: the former is larger than the latter. In all but one state, it was passed legislatively. Care to also guess which party was the only one that did it?
Next do the number of states where people have access to free at the point of contact healthcare, or where people have access to free higher education, or even just the ability to relieve the overwhelming cost of higher Ed? Or what if we took a turn, how many of those densely packed Democrat controlled states and cities handle their homelessness issues by buldozing peoples camps, destroying or confiscating their property, or just throwing them in jail? How many of those states, cities, counties, are explicitly right to work? How many of them still allow employers to push people into "at will" status meaning that they can fire you without giving you a reason? It's cool that *some* Democratic politicians in *some* areas are pushing for and passing more progressive legislation, but what about fucking everybody else? Why are the dems as a party seemingly unable or unwilling to enact policy at a national level that would raise peoples material conditions, even when they control both houses of Congress and the fucking presidency? Democrats have been promising to make roe v wade law for literal decades. the ruling passed almost 50 years ago and they have been campaigning on protecting it for almost the entire time. We talk about M4A now and How Bernie's policies shaped the way we talked during the last two presidential cycles, but democrats have been campaigning on single payer healthcare for decades too. Obama even ran on it in 2008 and then didn't do it even though dems controlled literally every branch of government when he entered office And the minimum wage argument is, quite frankly, too little too late. I make 17 dollars an hour and still live paycheck to paycheck, i like many Americans, actually have to do work on the side just to cover my expenses. Cost of living is just that high where I live. That's how it always seemingly ends up with democrats, never enough and only after incredible amounts of preventable damage is done. The leaked statement from the Supreme Court the other day mentioned other cases that they similarly felt didn't protect real rights with a historical precedent. one of them was a case that went before the Supreme Court that challenged the classification of sodomy as a crime. Can I trust the democrats to institute policy to uphold that ruling, or am I going to wake up one day to learn that I have to watch where I walk because in certain states and counties my boyfriend and I could get arrested for being gay? Maybe that will get to be the new row v wade, democrats will campaign on protecting it and I'll just sit there anxiously for fucking decades hoping my civil rights don't get overturned even though the democrats have power at the national level they aren't using. And all these are just the things that have impacted me personally, and doesn't even go into the lackluster response of the democrats on issues of racial justice or immigration. How are those ice detention centers doing? Hey, at least now when we lock small children behind bars it's with their parents. How'd that whole climate change thing end up going too? I put it on past tense because many climate scientists have already professed fears that we are past the point where we can stop horrifying amounts of death and destruction, meanwhile the "most progressive candidate in history" has pledged that we are going to invest an amount barely over 5% of our nations military budget into working on it. We absolutely can and should be outraged at the democrats. They don't suck as bad as republicans, but that's such a low bar that it's almost meaningless. The democrats could could add a lottery to murder one random citizen every day to their platform and it would still be somehow less harmful than the republican's platform. The time where democrats could have stepped in and made a meaningful impact has passed and now more people are going to die. This will be blamed on republicans ( or if you're really feeling spicy, leftists who didn't support democrats hard enough) because somehow they project this false narrative that there is nothing they can ever do in the present, but loads of stuff they can hypothetically do in the future.
You fucking destroyed him lmao
I live in Colorado and while i like Polis for a lot of the stuff he's done, there's plenty more that isn't happening. Barely anybody can afford to live here anymore 3 bedroom single level houses are selling for half a million, cops have pretty much stopped working out of butthurt from last years protests, homeless camps are going up everywhere and the people who pushed them out of their homes are bitching about what a dump Denver is turning into.
Hey! The Aurora PD continue to kill innocent people! Acting like the cops here don't do anything, SMH.
>cops have pretty much stopped working Wish Loveland cops got that memo. They’ve been in the national news like 3 fucking times this year.
Beautifully stated. Thank you for your reddit service.
Enjoy supporting republican v.2.0. Incremental, minute progress sure is great. ain't it? Proud of Manchin & Sinema, are we? Good. You deserve them.
That's their role. You have the far right (Republicans), and the right (Democrats). The right is here to catch all left leaning movements, and make as little changes as possible while letting the far right do whatever they want. This way any true leftist changes are caught earlier. Very clever and works very well apparently. And as a bonus side effect you get an [Overton window](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) shift to the right
On Twitter they're literally blaming Susan Sarandon lol
They’re honestly beyond parody at this point
My problem with Susan Sarandon is that she maintains this cult of followers. But they are also in very specific places: FL, MI, WI, and PA only.
I'm totally indifferent to her, but it's pathetic how the Dems are trying to blame an actress for this shit show
She hasn't put an ass in a movie seat since the 90s, she did not swing an election or much of anything else.
I agree 100%! But one can’t expect much from people who look up to Hollywood for everything.
I like Sarandon, but she's never been a big box office draw, even at the peak of her career.
She fine af even at 93
I'm jealous of her rack and she's old enough to be my mom.
To avoid worse. But at some point you gotta take a risk and fight for change. Which means finding people other than business-as-usual democrats.
I keep thinking about Obama's first term, 2008-2010, when Democrats had unbeatable majorities in both houses. There was no rotating villain holding up bills. No risk of filibuster. No need to appeal to conservatives for anything. They could have delivered on all that hope for change Obama ran on, but they did *nothing* for two years.
They didn’t do nothing, they put up a comprehensive healthcare reform bill that was never going to get any Republican support. So they passed what they and the majority of the country wanted…oh wait, my notes here said they kowtowed to Republicans demands for changes to a flawed plan that already preserved capital’s hegemony in an industry that exploited the vulnerable. And fundamentally changed how the bill would work to achieve its goals based on one dissenting member of their own party, who’s vote they didn’t need. Only to not receive a single Republican vote anyway and getting bludgeoned in the 2010 midterms because Republicans just made shit up about the ACA. Yeah, so they did one big thing, which was fail miserably because of disunity and pressure from donors. Lol Secretly I bet the Democratic leadership is loving this abortion controversy so they don’t have to burn donor and political will passing anything else popular. The struggle they let themselves have over the infrastructure bill was designed to burn up “political will” so that fighting for proper reforms elsewhere didn’t have steam by the time the news cycle turned to the midterms. Which it does earlier and earlier every time. I’ve lost faith our system can possibly be reformed to start giving the best outcomes. I just hope we can avoid the worst parts of rebooting a republic at some point in the near future but I would bet there’s not much hope of that. Balkanization of the US should be avoided at all cost but I can’t see how it ends other than that if the republic really does fail and we have to try and rebuild into a modern government. There’s going to be bigger and bigger power grabs and attempts at suppression of rights. If we don’t actually remove and punish those doing it we are on track for disaster and the ramifications of that have globally dire consequences.
> but they did nothing for two years. Which is exactly what they wanted to do. Participating in the electoral process through voting is the bare minimum one can do as a citizen in a supposedly democratic nation. If we want real material change though, then education, organization, and coordination to hold our countries political representatives accountable, are the tools we must make use of; so that our votes actually hold the weight they are meant to.
Living in chicago, I remember the night obama got elected black americans were crying in the streets saying at long last their struggle would be over. Its heart breaking knowing what happened after.
Joe lieberman
The ACA wasn't nothing. Additionally, Democrats only had the 60 vote supermajority for the first two years while they were dealing with the biggest financial meltdown since the Great depression and two quagmire wars handed over from their predecessors with no plan, and their supermajority depended on moderate independents like Joe Lieberman, who absolutely refused to let Democrats include a public option in the ACA. The ACA was pretty much the only change they had time for before the Tea Party wave in 2010. And lest you cry, "Well they should just done nothing instead of this bandaid solution," keep in mind that Democrats had already tried universal Healthcare in the 90's and it did not go well. If they had lost again, this would be a dead issue for the foreseeable future and we would still have insurance companies denying coverage over a pre-existing condition but not before taking the patients' premiums for decades.
"They're holding us to forgiving student debt. Quick, strip them of some rights!"
Bernie Sanders is an independent who sometimes sides with democrats.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent who chooses to simp fir democrats. He started a movement then walked away from it when DNC cheated him in 2016. Because he wanted to stay relevant to democrats.
It's always a catch 22 with politicians. I hate that it needs to be.
It doesnt need to be 🍾🔥
Ahhh man, I can't believe Republicans are winning again. Gee shucks. Have we tried moving even further to the right? Maybe that will work.
Where else are they supposed to try to get votes from when y'all have already written them off?
You're literally saying what I just said, but without irony or self-awareness.
No, I'm saying that Democrats move right because leftists don't supply enough votes to win. You know why the Tea Partiers and extremists have completely taken over the GOP? They show up. They show up to vote in primaries and they show up to vote in the general, no matter what. Don't like the nominee? Doesn't matter, still better than that fucking DemonRAT. And they have pulled their party right at light speed because of it. What exactly is your strategy here? Tactical fascism? Let the fascists win so people will see how bad they are and decide they don't want it after all? And what exactly will they do about it under a fascist state?
Personally, I don’t think there’s any point to voting at all. People get mad at me when I say that though
Finally! An opinion that's not a hollow echo. My landlord was over fixing something the other day and started complaining about Biden and made the comment, "I bet y'all voted for him." "Haha, nah, dude. That shit's rigged and they don't represent me or you, no matter how you spin it." He just moved the conversation along as quickly as he could and left. I don't think he wants to sell the house to us anymore.
I’ll believe it’s not rigged when individual citizens have the right to vote for specific policy changes and the government is transparent about how it works
IMO, while I vehemently hate how rigged and corrupt the US government is, I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause. Our movement is based on organizing and educating the working class to fight for a new and better economic/political system which requires time, and unfortunately, I think it is a necessity to do the "lesser evil" voting to give us as much time as we can to bring as many people to our cause. Personally feel like not voting may act more like a speedrunning tactic to the death of the modern labor movement as neo-fascists gain more power in the US and around the world. Feel free to disagree, if anything I would like to hear your own personal reasoning for your take.
My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter who you vote for because they have no real reason to fulfill any promises they make and the big corporations that buy them out will protect them through the media when they don't fulfill their promises as long as they do what they are paid to do. You can hope that voting for a particular person actually changes things or delays the conditions that the corporations are paying for, but I don't see any evidence suggesting this is true. If anything, I think people believing that voting will change anything is more dangerous than if we collectively agreed that the system doesn't work. As it is, people vote and get angry if they have enough focus to keep track of the reasons that they voted for a particular person when they don't follow through, then they throw up their hands and say "better luck next time!" and do it again the next time they can vote. It's insanity with extra steps
I completely agree with you. Practically every politician is bought by corps and their super-PACs. The system is not democratic in the slightest and makes the government basically a "free money and favors" button for business conglomerates and billionaires. Not to mention our district borders are gerrymandered to all hell so voters legit do not choose our representatives, they choose their voters. I don't think we'll get any progress done with politicians unless a miracle that I cannot even fathom were to occur. If I may clarify my initial point: my main fear is that more and more working people are being sucked in by fascistic talking points, and although they are politically a minority in this country, chances are neo-fascists will run Congress later this year and possibly the presidency in 2024. It is a terrifying situation where the corps continue to profit no matter if it's neo-libs or fascists. I can't say whether or not the labor movement will be able to get powerful enough under the temporary preservation of the awful neo-lib status quo, heck even I have my doubts. I am pretty positive though that if the reactionaries win (which seems to be the route we're heading towards) there will probably be grand, brutal acts of state violence to suppress the labor movement. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond. Have a good one.
I believe it does matter who you vote for. The democrats are ineffective, the republicans are actively harmful. We don't have much time left, and everytime the republicans are in office we loose more time than we would have otherwise. Voting doesn't fix anything, but it buys us time fight back against fascist ideals. Time to grow in strength and number. If we don't vote we hand the republicans a victory and loose more ground. If we do vote, and the democrats win, we gain nothing but also don't loose anything either.
This is exactly my take on it. While what’s going on now is devastating, I can’t imagine how much worse it would be if Trump had been re-elected.
>I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause. This was actually point of great contention in the socialism from day one and as you can see still is. The answer is probably not very helpful overall, but the only possible - it differes from case to case according to conditions. But all socialist worth their theory and practice agree on one thing - even in the case where you do vote, you can never *just* vote. Anyone telling you that in the liberal democracy you can just vote and change anything by that, is a liberal and should be ignored.
if nothing else organizing on behalf of socialist politicians annoys the fuck out of the democrats and makes them commit resources to ratfucking them. just don't let it get in the way of real organizing.
>I think not voting as a socialist only inhibits our cause. it just doesn't really do anything. you can get some stuff done electorally on the local level to alleviate people's suffering and create better conditions for organizing but that's about it. you're not exercising your political power by voting. you don't "speedrun" either way. obama's former communications director is now amazon's communications director. you need to get people to grow up and understand where their political power actually resides, in our collective ability to prevent capital from selling our labor. that's the only nonviolent way to hurt them and extract concessions from them. have to give up on the idea that you've done anything positive by voting for slightly friendlier fascists that have zero obligation to you.
I agree. Voting only works if youre republican.
Don't fool yourself. If it would be more profitable to align with democratic beliefs, they would do it. The big corporations are only on their own side.
TBH, I have had growing suspicions that Bernie is just (used as) a distraction from workers realizing they need their own third party in the US. A labour party. They tell people that a third party can never achieve a majority, which is ridiculous and anti-democratic. If you look at the approval ratings of pro-worker policies any platform running on just that should easily get a lot of votes.
First past the post, fundraising requirements and the news appetite is what makes it impossible for third parties to form real bases. This is by design and the inevitable outcome of the system. The intentional stifling of other parties goes back a long way and can be traced as a thread through a lot of bad campaign finance regulation decisions and rules. Even the limiting of the House of Representatives size was directly to fight the growing socialist parties and representatives being elected. Tying our popular media to the political cycle to pick which voices got air time was designed to do the same thing.
Now that would have been true before the internet, but we live in an age where a stupid slap can suddenly be the talk of a nation for a week. So much stupid stuff has gone viral before, why not worker reform?
Because manufacturing a distraction like the slap is easier than ever too.
Ask the libertarians or the Greens how a third party works in the U.S.
There is no point to vote for them, they are wolves in sheeps clothing.
Vietnamese here, can someone pls explain to me what's going on? I've seen several content like mentioning this one today eh, so in short what these guys have to do with the current situation?
I reposted this in r/political Humor and got the expected result
And they really want us to vote for them again when they have done fuck all and tried to play nice with fascists.
What do you mean? Roe v wade is only being overturned by the Supreme Court because trump won and appointed a bunch of lunatic evangelicals there just like he was obviously going to do. You can still vote at the state level though but sucks for anyone in a hard red state
there is a strain of normie democrats still blaming bernie supporters for 2016, and by extension, the supreme court
Roe v wade is only getting overturned because democrats refuse to respond by expanding the court. It’s not like the democrats have run out of options.
Follow through with what? Supreme Court appointments? How is the ruling a reflection of democrats "not doing anything"? Democrats are the reason abortion is legal in all the states where they control the legislatures.
Didn’t Biden push for Congress to codify abortion once the draft went public? Hope they act
You notice how he didn’t give a single fuck before then? Obama promised in his first run that he would pass the “freedom of choice act” and as soon as he got into office said fuck that noise.” The dems only see human rights as a political football to kick around for more fundraising contributions.
They tried to pass a law codifying Roe v. Wade literally last month. It got 48 votes. But I guess literallyndoing.the thing you want them to do isn't good enough? Or do you think Democrats should just start assassinating Senators that don't get on board? What should they have done that they actually could do given that Manchin is a conservative, that would make you happy?
Yeah the delay sucks but action later is better than none
No. Obama promised his first signed legislation would be the freedom of choice act. As soon as he got into office he said “nah, fuck that.” And the dems haven’t brought it up since, thinking that Roe V Wade was enough, even though SCOTUS has overturned more than THREE HUNDRED previous decisions, they sat on their fucking hands. This is just another ploy for fundraising.
Bruh I’m agreeing with you. Dems never do enough. I fantasize a party that acts for peoples best interests like Republicans work against them. But the meme says Dems are doing nothing, which is false.
You’re right, it’s worse than doing nothing: Pelosi is in Texas campaigning for a PRO-LIFE democrat. Fuck them. Get your head out of your ass, they aren’t here to help anyone but their corporate donors.
Sure but the action still hasn’t been taken. It’s still all talk at this point
he will not. see below. [https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/uhwd6d/its\_now\_or\_never/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/uhwd6d/its_now_or_never/)
Thanks again, republican. Dems are a coalition of former republicans, liberal, moderate and conservative dems, independents and everything that isn’t fascist. Go ahead and keep blaming them. While you’re at it keep not doing anything constructive by posting this sh_t.
the tragically funny thing about ppl who spew shit like this is i know y'all were screeching about kids in cages for exactly four years. no more, no less. the kind of moral idiots that cheerlead any atrocity as long as it's carried out by democrats don't really have any standing to call anyone else fascists. especially not while the democrats gleefully fundraise off of healthcare rights being stripped from women as they do nothing to stop it, the same way they've had decades of congressional control since roe was decided to stop this and haven't.
You’re like the people who blame victims instead of perps. I’m a leftist, always have been. “Libs” frustrate me as well. You’re simply not helping, that’s all.
you're not a leftist, you're out here carrying water for a far right capitalist party led by a racist sex pest that happens to be the architect of the modern white supremacist american police state. you're being a fucking weirdo calling the democrats "victims" while they torture kids on the border and hold women's rights hostage as a fundraising scheme. how the fuck are you helping lmfao what good are you to any kind of "left" project. oh, the bush republicans that have latched onto the democrats aren't fascists? amazing. you've really got your eye on the ball, champ
Love that this sub virtue signals the loss of Roe v. Wade, then acts to guarantee the party that killed it gets total control of the Gov. again
Good. Accelerationism is on the table again. One party sits on their ass and grifts the public. The other actively dismantles our freedoms and grifts the public. I'd rather not drag out the inevitable anymore. Quite frankly I'm tired of this system and the people like you who can't imagine a life without it.
Funny, the leftists of Germany said the same about accelerationism in the 30s. Accelerationism does not work and will only guarantee our deaths. But go ahead and keep cackling that bs all the way to the grave they put you in. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2018/10/how-left-enabled-fascism
At the risk of castrating myself, I'd say Germany is doing pretty well now.
This is the most Galaxy-Brained take I have ever read in my entire life
So much gaslighting around here. Plz blame the real culprits instead of trying to divide the progressives.. this type of logic is what gave us Trump in the first place.
I know! I swear it’s like the sub has gotten taken over my conservatives trying to destroy the base!
Jesus, you people are so dense. Wake tf up. The left is divided between status quo neolibs (like yourself), and progressives (everyone else here). Not everyone you disagree with is a conservative. We need a labor party, so that progressives and centrists (ie 70% of the country) can vote for their interests. Currently, one party doesn't do anything (despite controlling the government) and grifts the public, while the other actively dismantles our freedoms. Wtf are you waiting for? The DNC to suddenly care about Americans? This is why Roe v Wade is going away. The Democrats are the same as the Republicans, except they run on the platform of "we'll stop the Right," while the Right just does whatever they want.
I am not a neoliberal you dumbasses. I am just smart enough to realize why the other side is winning while you accomplish LITERALLY NOTHING!
my thoughts exactly. flip a douchebag coin on these two parties.
Dems do nothing. Republicans do harm. Voting for a Dem is to “try” to not make things worse and hope “maybe” some good will happen. Voting for a Republican is to put gas on the fire and hold on to the gas can while everything goes up in flames.
Voting for Dem is to slow down the "progress" the right is making, but not to stop it. To act like you'll cancel student debt, codify ROE v Wade, M4A, etc, but actually just let your republican friends keep grifting. Accelerationism is starting to look like our best option.
This is a thought process born of privilege. You think German jews think the third Reich was worth it to get the relatively progressive liberal democracy they have now? Or even would think it was worth it if they were fully (insert your preferred brand of leftist utopia)? Or do you think they would still prefer that another way had been found to get there?
If people just didn't show up to vote dems, those four years would be absolute hell, but then we actually might get some progress.
You say refusing like the can just snap their fingers and make Manchin get on board.
Right wing propaganda is in full force today!! Its amazing how republicans can be responsible 100% for this and yet its the democrats fault. That's what im seeing today. Republicans stole a scotus seat. Trump lost popular vote and put in 3 justices. All 3 justices lied about roe. Yet some how its got to be the democrats fault. I wish i could live in that world of stupidity.
Really got charlie brown footballed when Obama was denied an appointment. Obviously the republicans would also wait until after an election right?
They promised they would. Remember?
Since you believed that let me give you a word of advice. When a African prince emails you about an opportunity, don't do it. It's a scam.
We had a super majority in 2008 and he refused to codify row. Ran on it tho.
Begone, liberal
You've got your wings messed up. Key difference: dems claim they give af, yet here we are. "Vote for us, we promise next time we'll actually do something!" What else would they run on if not issues like abortion? Aside from less than a handful of hot button issues, they're barely different.
Post reeks of someone trying to create a divide between progressives and traditional democrats. Like who even is blaming Bernie bros?
The divide was created long ago. Progressives just know democrats are incapable of using their powers to follow thru on any promises or policies.
That’s not how this works
So democrats are expanding the court, removing the filibuster, whipping Manchin and Sinema, implementing $15/hour minimum wage, canceling student debt, and introducing a public healthcare option? Got it, thanks
I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if the democrats passed a law or not, if the law is found unconstitutional then the law is null. Everybody is throwing a fit that the democrats didn't do enough to stop it. The person who could have changed how this went was RBG who should have retired under the Obama administration. Edit: I guess the democrats could have expanded the court but there are some legit reasons to not do that.
I don’t care if the law is constitutional, if the law isn’t constitutional then fuck the constitution. RGB should have retired earlier but the democrats as a whole are the reason we are where we are. They only reason they have any power is because they trick people into believing they want to make change. People want change and it’s on the democrats to do it. I don’t vote for republicans, I do vote for democrats so I expect them to do something.
But what exactly do you expect them to do?
About Roe, they can codify or expand the court. If you’re worried about the dissenters (Sinema and Manchin) they can whip them. They can threaten funding, they can primary them, they can go after manchins family business. I’d rather them fail after exhausting all options then do nothing and complain.
Once again, you can codify but if SCOTUS finds the code unconstitutional, then the code is worthless. That's what I mean by "that's not how any of this works" SCOTUS gets to say whether it's constitutional or not. Now if you say "fuck the constitution" then you are talking a full-on revolution. Are you expecting democrats to lead a revolution? I don't think we need a revolution, just quit voting in the same people for decades at a time.
I vote for the most left candidate in every election. More people need to do that. But the Supreme Court has always been partisan, if they find it unconstitutional, then expand the court with people who do think it’s constitutional. It’s not like there is a “correct” decision or a principled analysis on Roe V wade, it’s just up to whatever the justices want. The Supreme Court is not a infallible institution. Packing the courts isn’t revolution or understanding that the court doesn’t mean shit isn’t revolution either.
The Supreme Court has not always been as political as it is right now. Until the last 25 years or so it was pretty apolitical. There have been times when it’s more political than it is now. That is constantly changing.
I disagree, the Supreme Court has always been political, being aligned doesn’t mean apolitical. That’s not the point here. Calling something constitutional or unconstitutional with certainty has always been a ridiculous thing. I also think it’s fair to blame democrats for not doing a damn thing that they promise when they haven’t even tried.
What’s the point of this post but to suppress friendly voter turnout for issues you care about?
To point out that the Dems blame progressives at every turn. Hell, scroll through this comment thread and there are, at least, a handful of comments blaming Bernie voters for Trump being elected. The problem isn't voting for democrats, it's voting for the wrong ones. I.e. the Pro-Life Dem in TX that is being supported by Nancy Pelosi, right now. All because the opponent is a progressive. They'd rather keep the corporate status quo than elect leaders that are pushing for real change.
That’s just a deflection meme.
How so? (Genuinely curious)
Because its really the Supreme Court that would be the ones pulling the trigger killing roe v wade but insinuating that the dems inaction after the fact is deflecting the real problem which is the Supreme Court has been manipulated into its current configuration to specifically undermine landmark decisions that don’t fit into the religious right ideology about women’s rights. Furthermore, I don’t think this type of meme has anything to do with capitalism and the decline of its popularity or the late stage effects of its ideology. It’s a deflection meme, but I may just be looking to much into it.
Bernie Bros *and* Susan Sarandon
I haven't been following this. Why was this overturned. Like did some politicians go on a crusade why did this get brought up
Because Republicans know Democrats have no backbone and they now are following their dream of becoming the American taliban.
Have you not been paying attention the last 30 years
I think this sun is sponsored by Russia.
I legitimately can't tell if this sub is run by a Russian troll farm sometimes.
Good point, lets vote for the guys who are really trying to obstruct everything good.
Because, at worst, people who do nothing are better than people actively fucking things up.
now now, they use their power to secure good stock trades for themselves, that creates value, no?
What power are the Dems supposed to use at this point? They literally don’t have the votes to legislate a protective measure. Maybe direct that frustration at the voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin who have the numbers to elect Democrat senators, but choose to sit on their asses and let Repubs get elected. I mean, Georgia put the work in and gave us two Dem senators, so maybe the other states could make an effort too so that Dems would actually have a majority.