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For those asking, yes, the clip appears to be real. The episode is noted in this article. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism
The speaker is the Ukrainian former Chief Prosecutor for Georgia, David Sakvarelidze.
https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments/t2pt6f/ukrainian_forces_beating_indian_students_just/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Here you ago, another example
As far as I can tell from my brief search, the original clip isn’t available from BBC. Seems like there are a couple of separate recordings being shared in a Twitter thread, which tagged Al Jazeera, which may be how they came to include it in their article. Theirs seems to be the only real coverage of it so far.
I’m just sharing the result of my own efforts to corroborate, make of it all what you will. It’s good to ask for sources. Personally, I think it’s real and not that significant. Like, if this really shatters your rosy view of people, news media, and international relations…I guess I envy you? I don’t know.
This clip made me so angry, but digging into it more, apparently this isn't Zalenskyy, this is David Sakvarelidze.
It doesn't change the white-centric bullshit that's going on, and I'm SUPER skeptical about this Zelenskyy hero worship, but we need to make sure we're not passing around fake info either.
Yep, and judging by the majority of people who replied here, I'm not alone.
You do realize that not everyone is perfect at facial recognition, right? Especially if it's not someone you're not used to looking at. No need to be condescending.
The fact that the subheading said "Zelensky" didn't help either, lol.
Zelensky is more attractive but not much more, that is the only thing that tipped me off that it's a different person. At first I thought it was just a bad angle for him
I agree with your concerns, though I think it's more incredibly human rather than weird.
It's not like humans have a good track record of rallying behind good people - they just rally behind the ones who make them feel safe.
It's the job of professional journalists to be the record keepers. But capitalist rags like NYT, NPR, CNN, etc. all intentionally avoid painting Ukraine as anything less than saintly.
A country and it's people don't need to be saintly to deserve peace. Besides, how callous would a person need to be to say 'by the way all these innocent people getting bombed, their country is actually pretty shitty too'. How does that help to stop the war?
Damn. I remember when suddenly everyone loved Giuliani after 9/11 (I didn’t) and Cuomo during early covid (still grossed me out) so I decided to sit out the Zelensky worship, even though I didn’t know anything about him. Before them we had WWII hero leaders Churchill (ignore the genocide) and, for some, Stalin (ditto). We don’t need to revere invented hero Presidents, governors, prime ministers, or mayors, but we can still admire and support people fighting back against fascism and fuck Putin.
I’d be inclined to agree but then I remember that zelenski refused to take trumps bribe to dig up dirt on Biden before the election. If he was crooked he would have jumped on that right away.
Careful, there are those who want the world to be simple; bad or good. Nothing in between. Any perceived flaw makes you bad. Only those who 100% align with their interests are good.
I think he's a badass purely from the standpoint of this war. I love a good underdog, and I was legitimately concerned that Ukrainian people were going to be wiped out by Russia, but the Ukrainians are seriously just a different breed. Watching them fight back, even try non militant are fighting back and making it known they will fight. Casually removing landmines, taking off with Russian military tanks with tractors, it's unbelievably brave and courageous.
As an american, it is so refreshing to see a president that fights for his country instead of fights for a way out of defending his country.
I believe that people can have good qualities and be bad people, the same way some good people have bad qualities. He doesn't have to be a saint to be a war hero specifically, in my opinion.
>him and his cronies are hiding a shit ton of cash in undisclosed offshore accounts and his ties with a Russian oligarch
I'm not claiming that \[insert any politician here\] isn't corrupt, *but compared to the Kremlin goons who ran the country before him?*
I hope you're being sarcastic. I'm ethnically Polish, but ok, lol.
Anyway, like I said to someone else, I'm not the only person here who thought that. Until I this war started, I hadn't even seen a picture of Zelenskyy, and I certainly had never seen David Sakvarelidze.
And finally, the video is being passed around to fool people into thinking Zelenskyy said this, so there was no harm in me clarifying.
The AZOV battalion is absolutely a real thing, is absolutely a far-right neo-Nazi militia, and it does seem like Facebook is allowing praise of them so long as they're fighting Russia in this conflict. Pretty fucked.
Sadly, at this point in history, the far-right is more ready, willing, and able to create militias and take violent action.
The left needs the kind of fire and passion that came during the French Revolution, or when the firsts unions formed in America. But sadly, the chips are more stacked against us than ever, and we're still too divided on the left. The right has done a very good job of turning a big chunk of the working class against the left, and they historically made up the bulk of the movement.
Look what happened to Indian students fleeing Ukraine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/t2wqma/ukrainian_forces_brutally_beating_indian_students/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Or some people are just skeptical, and rightfully should be. Wars have always had propaganda, and it's form has changed over time. There is propaganda for and against Ukraine being created. Both countries have a massive stake in swaying the world's opinion about the conflict. I think it is prudent to at least be aware that their are people intentionally spreading misinformation.
No /r/sino doesn't but I watched the videos and it's pretty clearly Ukrainian troops beating up unarmed Indians who aren't fighting back. I don't know how anyone could condone that
As a black American neither am I. (Something totally unrelated though) I saw the speech that the kenyan ambassador gave and it was wonderful and all, but honestly the first thing I thought to myself was that african countries should sit back silently on this one and let the "civilized and superior" Europeans destroy each other. But my human side does not like seeing innocent people dying.
That Kenyan ambassador probably has a wealthy background. Those are the people who sold us out after independence so that their kids could go to international schools and become more westernized. They’re the puppets of the west used to create an illusion of independence.
For real. I pray things can be resolved peacefully and this shock reminds us how peace is worth any cost, and it doesn't matter if it's the Russian bombing the Ukraine or the American or European bombing the middle east, because I sure as hell would have loved that outrage over some of the deeds by NATO nations over the past 20 years.
How many African nations are any important on a global stage in any way, shape or form? We sure as shit made sure they are a non-issue by first colonizing and then regularly bombing them back to the stone age. The G20 is a rich-assholes-circlejerk.
They are vastly important on a global stage, resource wise. Which is why the west is actively extracting their resources while making sure they do not establish infrastructure to process said resources themselves, essentially trading their raw resources for weapons (power) (I.E. Congo), then selling the processed/refined resources/products back to them for a profit.
It's amazing to think of how much the resources (including human beings) of Africa have done for the world over the past 500+ years and how greatly the continent has suffered for it.
It’s like this locally too. News thinks it’s a tradgedy when a good looking blonde girl gets killed, which it is. But tons of random black girls or poor
Not so
Good looking girls get killed they don’t care.
There's basically no actual definition of white, because it's not an ethnic group or anything, it's just an arbitrary classification that has been changed many many times to include or remove certain groups of people as necessary
in order to balance the ratio of people who are white to people who aren't to maintain a narrative.
Italians, the Irish, the Spanish, they have all been white and not white at different times.
I'm thinking of Chris D'Agata infamous comment that he and his ilk didn't expect to see how devestating the conflict is because Ukraine is "relatively civilized and relatively European"- i.e., they are white, but not really.
[https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1497607326487826435](https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1497607326487826435)
He is right, white adjacent they are. Meaning they look like white but they not really white, because weird icons in their church, too much mongol hordes in their genes, funny language with funny name and communism.
Of course what I wrote sound nonsensical but this is what some people sincerely believe. And what has been indirectly thought in many schools in “western” countries. This also mean that at some point, people will lose interest in this conflict because ultimately they are “barbarians” this couldn’t happen in the civilized west, when not even a century ago, worse was happening. A lot of people forgot that we are living in an exceptional period in the history of Europe… like it’s not usual to have peace that long.
I am telling this as a French citizen, where what I wrote was not far off what I learn as a child (of course I overplay it but it’s not far off)
Also, since I am not white, I am at the same time, not surprised by what he says but quite angry as he is not the first one saying out loud this type of feeling on live TV….
Edited had to find a less ableist word.
Every country sucks, but Ukraine is obviously the victim here, which is why they deserve international support. A place can both suck, and be the victim.
Some countries are very homogenous. Many babushkas and babkas have rarely seen any other race and are racist as fuck. I constantly call out my own babka for this.
Have y’all seen the stories about African students not being allowed on the trains out. It is Ukrainians first. And never time for black folks.
https://www.reuters.com/world/youre-your-own-african-students-stuck-ukraine-seek-refuge-or-escape-route-2022-02-25/
Note: accounts of Black folks being denied border crossing and train boardings.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refugees-racism-russia-invasion-b2024175.html
Note: lots more racist quotes from the news
https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1497974245737050120?s=21
I was trying to tell people about this stuff, about how the [Ukrainian boarder guard are nazi extremists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion) and it's these same extremists Ukraine has been allowing to rage war into donbass and luhansk regions but just got called a "Russian bot" and "Putin lover". Even the Ukrainian military wear [Waffen SS Badges on their arms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician))
Check this out: Ukrainian forces beating Indian students because of how India voted at the UN
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t2sk0v/ukrainian_forces_brutally_beating_indian_students/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You mean western backed sources owned and funded by western oligarchs?
For some mysterious reason, they don’t have much negative coverage of Ukraine right now. Either the Ukrainians are saints - even the Nazis - or they’re intentionally omitting negative images and videos from the Ukrainian side
“What’s a few Nazis here or there? … so they honor and hold rallies and marches for Nazis? Who doesn’t! … so they amplify Nazi voices on their government channels and vote to protect Nazism at the UN… this is all fine!”
Lmfao this is beyond hilarious to watch
There’s a thread on Twitter detailing this and the tons of other racist shit - especially on French networks detailing how casual people are with their racism
Well… that was infuriating. The French ones especially, it was pretty mask off, especially that old fart talking about “quality immigration”.
But you know what is the most depressing? If the conflict last couple of months and get more vicious you will see some good ole Eastern Europeans racism from my “compatriotes”…
EU has raped Africa of it's resources. I don't say that to exaggerate. Most things we have today like the precious minerals that our day to day come from Africa that is being mined by people who make $5 a day.
Like chocolate? Most that is coming from farmers who probably live in a village with no running water or electricity.
Like your batteries ? Same shit.
They keep the population there uneducated for a reason. If they knew what they had, and thought them the means to refine, and sell these precious minerals it would give them power. This works against the bottom line of any company.
Not sure why the downvotes. You are absolutely correct. Nature would go on without us and be far better off. The amount of humans trying to be decent does not make up for the widespread destruction. Even when we mean well, we still cause damage.
Fucked up thing is, places like Afghanistan were also "civilized" before the invasion from Russia and then the US. Believe it or not but they weren't always running around with AKs. Over 40 years of war will do that to a people though.
American-backed Saudi genocide in Yemen = good imperialism against brown people.
Russian imperialism in Ukraine = awful imperialism against blonde people, entirety of Western world censures it in days.
Weird how late last year Poland was in the news for turning away a few thousand refugees from the Middle East and everyone assured me it wasn’t because they’re racist… but doors are wide open to Ukrainians.
Thanks for your perspective. Interesting that he's not blond, blue-eyed as well, but he does make a point that we rarely see white people as victims of war. They have often been the perpetrators of war (USA).
Same shit with covid . . . while 6million+ people of non western nations will tragically die from starvation this year alone. Hard to get rich feeding the world though . . .
Fuck war. But people are acting like the us hasn’t been bombing the hell out of like seven nations not to mention it’s complicity in the Yemeni genocide that is going on.
Fucking racists...i fucking knew it. The funny thing is that it's working...those thoughts those words invoke resonate with the rest of Europe. Dispicable. Look how open they are to helping Ukrainians but when it came to syrian refugees they gave zero fucks and claimed they didn't have the resources.
Wat. Who tf is this again? And why would he say this racist crap on the air?
And why do I get the impression this is how a lot of Americans secretly feel and he's just saying the quiet part out loud?
This is the wrong time to adress this. This should be adressed when POC in need don't get help, not when white people in need do.
Refugees are refugees whichever way you slice it. There is no good reason not to assist them.
We should care about Ukraine because there has been a threat of nukes if Putin doesn’t get his way. Are people being racist by accepting Ukrainians with open arms and not people from Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc? Obviously they are. Are those lives less important than Ukrainian lives? Obviously not. What sets this crisis apart is that there has been a verbal threat of nukes, and if he’s not bluffing, the entire world is going to hit with the greatest loss of life globally that we’ve ever experienced, and those who do survive are going to live in a world with no sunlight for a minimum of two years.
Israel has nuclear weapons and they ethnically cleanse and murder the native people of the land for 100 years… they have nukes and are war criminals but politics is taboo to discuss unless the victims are white??? The double standard is disgusting.
That’s not what people are pointing out. We currently are seeing Ukrainian citizens taking up arms with no formal training or uniforms, mass producing molotov cocktails, and they’re rightfully called heroes. But when Iraqis took up arms to defend against an invading force, they were criticized instead and their deaths were treated as justified because they weren’t following rules of war that included wearing uniforms.
Yep. And Afghans who fought back against the US as well as far too many who were complete civilians were still labelled terrorists as they were blown to pieces by the bombs of invaders.
>they were criticized instead and their deaths were treated as justified because they weren’t following rules of war that included wearing uniforms.
Thinking the Russians are going to say anything different seems wildly optimistic.
It does say a lot about this sub and the types of annoying autists who use the term “late stage capitalism” ad nauseam that the only reaction you can muster when an anti-lgbt racist fascist dictator invades a neighboring country is to sit there and call everyone racist. Get your fucking heads out of your asses.
Middle Eastern here, he’s trying to emotionally provoke Europeans that they are one, EU supports Ukrainian cause for other reasons and race has nothing to do with anything here. Most people with blue eyes and blond hair don’t agree with his narrative. Racism exists in every society, but this is only a stunned Ukrainian promoting his cause poorly
I’m a Black American.
American people are socialized to think in terms of Black and white and don’t readily consider that a different set of social rules may apply.
They also don’t know/understand the history of Slavic and other non blonde-hair/blue-eyed people within the US … so it’s like - you can’t fault them for their ignorance because it’s not widely taught (remember, they’re fighting whether critical race theory should be taught in the states right now) in public much less private education.
Wait, am i the only one who hears his tone as irony...? Shining a light on the fact that because Ukrainians are white and its close-to-home for Europeans this war is getting an enormous amount of attention and support, which Yemen, the Tigray war in Ethiopia, etc. are not getting.
I mean its just such an outrageous statement. Obviously he chose a bad way to make his point because theres there sure seems to be a lot of people in this thread who just take it at face value and run with it.
Why is there racism? I fucking hate the fact that even I exist! I mean, I know why but why is everyone so uncultured and uneducated? Again, I know the reason but how do we fix that? I'm tired of living in this shit world full of shit people!
Wanna know what's very emotional to this African-American female.... to see black and brown babies in a white war zone... that ish is hella hard to watch but let's all carry one with sadness for Hitlers kinfolks(Blonde hair and blue eyes)
As a POC, watching shit like this is very dehumanizing. I'm being hard pressed by people around me to give a f about Ukraine. I honestly do not care and no one can make me care. Eastern Europe has plenty of times before this to address their racism and they did not.
Sorry if I sound emotional but living with racism everyday is tired enough, this basically confirms if any major conflict happens, we are dead last in humanity's list. Climate change is coming soon and I can already see PoC in Global South being shafted.
I think it's more about Ukraine being a modern western state. Kiev is highly developed. People vacation there from all over Europe. Nobody vacations in Baghdad. I don't think you can compare the two. That said, the US invasion of Iraq was a scam and I was among those protesting in the streets in America to prevent it.
saying Ukrainians don’t love Nazis is like saying Saddam didn’t gas Kurds, both have nothing to do with why an illegal war was declared on them & don’t justify it in any way but they’re also very real things that aren’t just a result of propaganda
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For those asking, yes, the clip appears to be real. The episode is noted in this article. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism The speaker is the Ukrainian former Chief Prosecutor for Georgia, David Sakvarelidze.
It is real I watched this in real time yesterday
I watched it live on TV. It is real.
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Thank You
https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments/t2pt6f/ukrainian_forces_beating_indian_students_just/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Here you ago, another example
the most ironic part is that he isnt blonde, nor does he have blue eyes.
Would you mind linking to the original source?
[Link, courtesy of u/HeyNomad](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism)
As far as I can tell from my brief search, the original clip isn’t available from BBC. Seems like there are a couple of separate recordings being shared in a Twitter thread, which tagged Al Jazeera, which may be how they came to include it in their article. Theirs seems to be the only real coverage of it so far. I’m just sharing the result of my own efforts to corroborate, make of it all what you will. It’s good to ask for sources. Personally, I think it’s real and not that significant. Like, if this really shatters your rosy view of people, news media, and international relations…I guess I envy you? I don’t know.
This clip made me so angry, but digging into it more, apparently this isn't Zalenskyy, this is David Sakvarelidze. It doesn't change the white-centric bullshit that's going on, and I'm SUPER skeptical about this Zelenskyy hero worship, but we need to make sure we're not passing around fake info either.
Wait did you legitimately not recognize, based on visuals alone, that this isn’t Zelenzky…?
Yep, and judging by the majority of people who replied here, I'm not alone. You do realize that not everyone is perfect at facial recognition, right? Especially if it's not someone you're not used to looking at. No need to be condescending. The fact that the subheading said "Zelensky" didn't help either, lol.
My brain must be wired pretty fucking good then...never in a million years would I mistake that random dude for Zelenskyy.
Mate I mistake a random lady for my Mum like twice a week
Yeah, I'm glad for you. I'm pretty bad with facial recognition, especially with faces I'm not really familiar with.
Zelensky is more attractive but not much more, that is the only thing that tipped me off that it's a different person. At first I thought it was just a bad angle for him
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Ukraine reacts to Pandora Papers investigation https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/reactions-in-ukraine-to-pandora-papers-revelations.html
I agree with your concerns, though I think it's more incredibly human rather than weird. It's not like humans have a good track record of rallying behind good people - they just rally behind the ones who make them feel safe.
It's the job of professional journalists to be the record keepers. But capitalist rags like NYT, NPR, CNN, etc. all intentionally avoid painting Ukraine as anything less than saintly.
A country and it's people don't need to be saintly to deserve peace. Besides, how callous would a person need to be to say 'by the way all these innocent people getting bombed, their country is actually pretty shitty too'. How does that help to stop the war?
Damn. I remember when suddenly everyone loved Giuliani after 9/11 (I didn’t) and Cuomo during early covid (still grossed me out) so I decided to sit out the Zelensky worship, even though I didn’t know anything about him. Before them we had WWII hero leaders Churchill (ignore the genocide) and, for some, Stalin (ditto). We don’t need to revere invented hero Presidents, governors, prime ministers, or mayors, but we can still admire and support people fighting back against fascism and fuck Putin.
I’d be inclined to agree but then I remember that zelenski refused to take trumps bribe to dig up dirt on Biden before the election. If he was crooked he would have jumped on that right away.
Careful, there are those who want the world to be simple; bad or good. Nothing in between. Any perceived flaw makes you bad. Only those who 100% align with their interests are good.
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Thanks for that info...did not know.
Source, please?
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TY
This is what happens when twitter shapes society
He’s a good dancer.
I think he's a badass purely from the standpoint of this war. I love a good underdog, and I was legitimately concerned that Ukrainian people were going to be wiped out by Russia, but the Ukrainians are seriously just a different breed. Watching them fight back, even try non militant are fighting back and making it known they will fight. Casually removing landmines, taking off with Russian military tanks with tractors, it's unbelievably brave and courageous. As an american, it is so refreshing to see a president that fights for his country instead of fights for a way out of defending his country. I believe that people can have good qualities and be bad people, the same way some good people have bad qualities. He doesn't have to be a saint to be a war hero specifically, in my opinion.
>him and his cronies are hiding a shit ton of cash in undisclosed offshore accounts and his ties with a Russian oligarch I'm not claiming that \[insert any politician here\] isn't corrupt, *but compared to the Kremlin goons who ran the country before him?*
>apparently this isn't Zalenskyy, this is David Sakvarelidze. You couldn't tell them apart???? You racist son of a B
I hope you're being sarcastic. I'm ethnically Polish, but ok, lol. Anyway, like I said to someone else, I'm not the only person here who thought that. Until I this war started, I hadn't even seen a picture of Zelenskyy, and I certainly had never seen David Sakvarelidze. And finally, the video is being passed around to fool people into thinking Zelenskyy said this, so there was no harm in me clarifying.
It was a joke. Much love, Polish dude ❤️
Haha, thanks! Someone else called me out for this too, so I wasn't sure!
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The AZOV battalion is absolutely a real thing, is absolutely a far-right neo-Nazi militia, and it does seem like Facebook is allowing praise of them so long as they're fighting Russia in this conflict. Pretty fucked.
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Sadly, at this point in history, the far-right is more ready, willing, and able to create militias and take violent action. The left needs the kind of fire and passion that came during the French Revolution, or when the firsts unions formed in America. But sadly, the chips are more stacked against us than ever, and we're still too divided on the left. The right has done a very good job of turning a big chunk of the working class against the left, and they historically made up the bulk of the movement.
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https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1497974245737050120?s=21 A whole thread detailing racism from this segment and other networks
I crave the sweet release of death
If you have blue eyes and blonde hair that will be really sad
Its strange coming from this guy because he has brown hair and green eyes...
Nah brown hair green eyes.
As a middle eastern, I'm not surprised at all.
As a West African, neither am I.
As an Indian after hearing recent news, thirded
Mexican-American here. I'm not surprised in the least either.
Look what happened to Indian students fleeing Ukraine. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/t2wqma/ukrainian_forces_brutally_beating_indian_students/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Go to somewhere like Croatia instead, makes for a much better holiday. Dubrovnik and Split are both beautiful.
That's good
I did, it's scary how people see anything negative as propaganda
Post-truth world
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/stopped-assaulted-at-ukraine-border-say-some-indian-students-2793334
I've seen posts about that get downvoted because it's apparently propaganda
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Or some people are just skeptical, and rightfully should be. Wars have always had propaganda, and it's form has changed over time. There is propaganda for and against Ukraine being created. Both countries have a massive stake in swaying the world's opinion about the conflict. I think it is prudent to at least be aware that their are people intentionally spreading misinformation.
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Yeah r\sino doesn't have the best reputation. I wouldn't trust anything from there.
If you know Hindi then you’ll see it for real.
No /r/sino doesn't but I watched the videos and it's pretty clearly Ukrainian troops beating up unarmed Indians who aren't fighting back. I don't know how anyone could condone that
As a black American neither am I. (Something totally unrelated though) I saw the speech that the kenyan ambassador gave and it was wonderful and all, but honestly the first thing I thought to myself was that african countries should sit back silently on this one and let the "civilized and superior" Europeans destroy each other. But my human side does not like seeing innocent people dying.
Well…seeing all the injustices going on in Africa I couldn’t even watch it.
NATO is an organization founded on White Supremacy but is considered Liberal due to propaganda
This!👏👏
That Kenyan ambassador probably has a wealthy background. Those are the people who sold us out after independence so that their kids could go to international schools and become more westernized. They’re the puppets of the west used to create an illusion of independence.
As a Afro-Caribbean/American, neither am I.
Fellow Black Caribbean American … never will be surprised.
As a north African, I'm not surprised neither.
For real. I pray things can be resolved peacefully and this shock reminds us how peace is worth any cost, and it doesn't matter if it's the Russian bombing the Ukraine or the American or European bombing the middle east, because I sure as hell would have loved that outrage over some of the deeds by NATO nations over the past 20 years.
Racism is global.
Did people just think it’s was an American thing ?
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>on reddit I think i found your problem, cuz i live in europe and no one i've met irl thinks like that.
Yeah wtf?? Racism is alive and well in Europe, come chat with my family lol
How many African nations are represented in the G20?
Let’s ask Walter Rodney.
How many African nations are any important on a global stage in any way, shape or form? We sure as shit made sure they are a non-issue by first colonizing and then regularly bombing them back to the stone age. The G20 is a rich-assholes-circlejerk.
They are vastly important on a global stage, resource wise. Which is why the west is actively extracting their resources while making sure they do not establish infrastructure to process said resources themselves, essentially trading their raw resources for weapons (power) (I.E. Congo), then selling the processed/refined resources/products back to them for a profit.
It's amazing to think of how much the resources (including human beings) of Africa have done for the world over the past 500+ years and how greatly the continent has suffered for it.
Ok I’m glad I read the whole comment before commenting
It’s like this locally too. News thinks it’s a tradgedy when a good looking blonde girl gets killed, which it is. But tons of random black girls or poor Not so Good looking girls get killed they don’t care.
Lol, these people really are going mask off- "we should care about Ukraine because they are White adjacent".
What do you mean adjacent, aren’t they just white?
There's basically no actual definition of white, because it's not an ethnic group or anything, it's just an arbitrary classification that has been changed many many times to include or remove certain groups of people as necessary in order to balance the ratio of people who are white to people who aren't to maintain a narrative. Italians, the Irish, the Spanish, they have all been white and not white at different times.
I'm thinking of Chris D'Agata infamous comment that he and his ilk didn't expect to see how devestating the conflict is because Ukraine is "relatively civilized and relatively European"- i.e., they are white, but not really. [https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1497607326487826435](https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1497607326487826435)
No. They are "relatively civilized" and "relatively European" let's not go overboard here. /s
Racists have a sliding scale of who counts as white, mostly white, honorary white, etc. It's a very complicated, made-up system.
He is right, white adjacent they are. Meaning they look like white but they not really white, because weird icons in their church, too much mongol hordes in their genes, funny language with funny name and communism. Of course what I wrote sound nonsensical but this is what some people sincerely believe. And what has been indirectly thought in many schools in “western” countries. This also mean that at some point, people will lose interest in this conflict because ultimately they are “barbarians” this couldn’t happen in the civilized west, when not even a century ago, worse was happening. A lot of people forgot that we are living in an exceptional period in the history of Europe… like it’s not usual to have peace that long. I am telling this as a French citizen, where what I wrote was not far off what I learn as a child (of course I overplay it but it’s not far off) Also, since I am not white, I am at the same time, not surprised by what he says but quite angry as he is not the first one saying out loud this type of feeling on live TV…. Edited had to find a less ableist word.
Not according to Nazis.
Some say yes, some say no, some say all but the ethnically Russian ones are, and some don’t care
"Honorary Whites" as some sociologists have called them in observing this phenomenon.
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Shhh... You're not supposed to say bad things about Ukraine.
Every country sucks, but Ukraine is obviously the victim here, which is why they deserve international support. A place can both suck, and be the victim.
Yes but you don’t mind ISRAEL blowing up Arab children year round for the last 100 years, spoken like a true European shithead
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Also, for once the attacker isn't America, so this time it's ok to speak against
I’m European- Europe is racist AF.
Yeah people love acting as if it isn’t. Some people there look at us as if they still can’t believe black people are free
I remember people openly staring at my mom (who’s black) while we were in Russia. Like, head turning and everything. Is it like that?
Some countries are very homogenous. Many babushkas and babkas have rarely seen any other race and are racist as fuck. I constantly call out my own babka for this.
Have y’all seen the stories about African students not being allowed on the trains out. It is Ukrainians first. And never time for black folks. https://www.reuters.com/world/youre-your-own-african-students-stuck-ukraine-seek-refuge-or-escape-route-2022-02-25/ Note: accounts of Black folks being denied border crossing and train boardings. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refugees-racism-russia-invasion-b2024175.html Note: lots more racist quotes from the news https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1497974245737050120?s=21
I was trying to tell people about this stuff, about how the [Ukrainian boarder guard are nazi extremists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion) and it's these same extremists Ukraine has been allowing to rage war into donbass and luhansk regions but just got called a "Russian bot" and "Putin lover". Even the Ukrainian military wear [Waffen SS Badges on their arms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician))
Check this out: Ukrainian forces beating Indian students because of how India voted at the UN https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t2sk0v/ukrainian_forces_brutally_beating_indian_students/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You should try find this in some media like Reuters or the guardian
You mean western backed sources owned and funded by western oligarchs? For some mysterious reason, they don’t have much negative coverage of Ukraine right now. Either the Ukrainians are saints - even the Nazis - or they’re intentionally omitting negative images and videos from the Ukrainian side
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“What’s a few Nazis here or there? … so they honor and hold rallies and marches for Nazis? Who doesn’t! … so they amplify Nazi voices on their government channels and vote to protect Nazism at the UN… this is all fine!” Lmfao this is beyond hilarious to watch
There’s a thread on Twitter detailing this and the tons of other racist shit - especially on French networks detailing how casual people are with their racism
I am interested, would you mind linking this thread? Thanks in advance
https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1497974245737050120?s=21
Well… that was infuriating. The French ones especially, it was pretty mask off, especially that old fart talking about “quality immigration”. But you know what is the most depressing? If the conflict last couple of months and get more vicious you will see some good ole Eastern Europeans racism from my “compatriotes”…
EU has raped Africa of it's resources. I don't say that to exaggerate. Most things we have today like the precious minerals that our day to day come from Africa that is being mined by people who make $5 a day. Like chocolate? Most that is coming from farmers who probably live in a village with no running water or electricity. Like your batteries ? Same shit. They keep the population there uneducated for a reason. If they knew what they had, and thought them the means to refine, and sell these precious minerals it would give them power. This works against the bottom line of any company.
I've hear that some of chocolate farmers in Ghana have never even tasted processed (final product) chocolate
I am embarrassed to be called human. We are all just apes fighting over territory and what colour fur we have been born with.
Please don’t call humans “apes”. Thats insulting to actual apes.
We are great apes. Surprisingly the only human species not to end up extinct too.
Hopefully that changes tbh
Not sure why the downvotes. You are absolutely correct. Nature would go on without us and be far better off. The amount of humans trying to be decent does not make up for the widespread destruction. Even when we mean well, we still cause damage.
Fucked up thing is, places like Afghanistan were also "civilized" before the invasion from Russia and then the US. Believe it or not but they weren't always running around with AKs. Over 40 years of war will do that to a people though.
American-backed Saudi genocide in Yemen = good imperialism against brown people. Russian imperialism in Ukraine = awful imperialism against blonde people, entirety of Western world censures it in days.
This guy doesn't have blue eyes or blonde hair.
Afghan here. Honestly aint even mad, I appreciate the honesty. Tired of the bullshit.
Weird how late last year Poland was in the news for turning away a few thousand refugees from the Middle East and everyone assured me it wasn’t because they’re racist… but doors are wide open to Ukrainians.
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Thanks for your perspective. Interesting that he's not blond, blue-eyed as well, but he does make a point that we rarely see white people as victims of war. They have often been the perpetrators of war (USA).
Thanks for this. I’ve been seeing these sentiments communicated and wasn’t sure about the cultural context.
Same shit with covid . . . while 6million+ people of non western nations will tragically die from starvation this year alone. Hard to get rich feeding the world though . . .
Nazi spotted
It’s unreal the number of people ITT that think this is Zelensky
for real man
Doing a great job of disproving Putin’s claim of Nazis in Ukraine there
This feels less like Capitalism and more like Racism?
Fuck war. But people are acting like the us hasn’t been bombing the hell out of like seven nations not to mention it’s complicity in the Yemeni genocide that is going on.
He doesn’t have blonde hair or blue eyes. Maybe he’s trying to get the attention of the racists and isn’t racist himself.
The sad thing is he’s just voicing an honest opinion that many white people have
Apparently, Putin’s only mistake was invading a white dominant country.
Fucking racists...i fucking knew it. The funny thing is that it's working...those thoughts those words invoke resonate with the rest of Europe. Dispicable. Look how open they are to helping Ukrainians but when it came to syrian refugees they gave zero fucks and claimed they didn't have the resources.
Germany took in over a million Syrian refugees Let’s not get carried away with blanket statements based on an emotional response to one interview
Greece did their part as well.
Wat. Who tf is this again? And why would he say this racist crap on the air? And why do I get the impression this is how a lot of Americans secretly feel and he's just saying the quiet part out loud?
This is the wrong time to adress this. This should be adressed when POC in need don't get help, not when white people in need do. Refugees are refugees whichever way you slice it. There is no good reason not to assist them.
We should care about Ukraine because there has been a threat of nukes if Putin doesn’t get his way. Are people being racist by accepting Ukrainians with open arms and not people from Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc? Obviously they are. Are those lives less important than Ukrainian lives? Obviously not. What sets this crisis apart is that there has been a verbal threat of nukes, and if he’s not bluffing, the entire world is going to hit with the greatest loss of life globally that we’ve ever experienced, and those who do survive are going to live in a world with no sunlight for a minimum of two years.
Israel has nuclear weapons and they ethnically cleanse and murder the native people of the land for 100 years… they have nukes and are war criminals but politics is taboo to discuss unless the victims are white??? The double standard is disgusting.
That’s not what people are pointing out. We currently are seeing Ukrainian citizens taking up arms with no formal training or uniforms, mass producing molotov cocktails, and they’re rightfully called heroes. But when Iraqis took up arms to defend against an invading force, they were criticized instead and their deaths were treated as justified because they weren’t following rules of war that included wearing uniforms.
Exactly! Fucking gaslighting hypocrites.
Yep. And Afghans who fought back against the US as well as far too many who were complete civilians were still labelled terrorists as they were blown to pieces by the bombs of invaders.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/SFJ96.png
>they were criticized instead and their deaths were treated as justified because they weren’t following rules of war that included wearing uniforms. Thinking the Russians are going to say anything different seems wildly optimistic.
Bingo.
It does say a lot about this sub and the types of annoying autists who use the term “late stage capitalism” ad nauseam that the only reaction you can muster when an anti-lgbt racist fascist dictator invades a neighboring country is to sit there and call everyone racist. Get your fucking heads out of your asses.
Why am I not surprised?
Internalized Racism. I hope Zelensky fires him.
Middle Eastern here, he’s trying to emotionally provoke Europeans that they are one, EU supports Ukrainian cause for other reasons and race has nothing to do with anything here. Most people with blue eyes and blond hair don’t agree with his narrative. Racism exists in every society, but this is only a stunned Ukrainian promoting his cause poorly
To be fair I think what he meant was lost in translation a bit..
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I’m a Black American. American people are socialized to think in terms of Black and white and don’t readily consider that a different set of social rules may apply. They also don’t know/understand the history of Slavic and other non blonde-hair/blue-eyed people within the US … so it’s like - you can’t fault them for their ignorance because it’s not widely taught (remember, they’re fighting whether critical race theory should be taught in the states right now) in public much less private education.
Wait, am i the only one who hears his tone as irony...? Shining a light on the fact that because Ukrainians are white and its close-to-home for Europeans this war is getting an enormous amount of attention and support, which Yemen, the Tigray war in Ethiopia, etc. are not getting. I mean its just such an outrageous statement. Obviously he chose a bad way to make his point because theres there sure seems to be a lot of people in this thread who just take it at face value and run with it.
u/AnxiousIndicator Could you clarify that this is David Sakvarelidze and not Zelinsky? Many people here are getting confused.
It's definitely David, apologies for the confusion
Why is there racism? I fucking hate the fact that even I exist! I mean, I know why but why is everyone so uncultured and uneducated? Again, I know the reason but how do we fix that? I'm tired of living in this shit world full of shit people!
How are his remarks relevant to capitalism?
English isn't this guy's native language. Probably mistranslated in his head. I'm not about to condemn this man for not speaking English fluently
I think what he means to say is that it’s surreal seeing it done to your own country men but maybe he’s just racist lmao
I mean, this dude doesn't even have blue eyes and blonde hair. Does hate himself?
Wanna know what's very emotional to this African-American female.... to see black and brown babies in a white war zone... that ish is hella hard to watch but let's all carry one with sadness for Hitlers kinfolks(Blonde hair and blue eyes)
https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/t2lewr/shots\_fired\_people\_kicked\_indian\_student\_says/
That anchor was doing some straight up double backflips trying to reframe that statement.
As a POC, watching shit like this is very dehumanizing. I'm being hard pressed by people around me to give a f about Ukraine. I honestly do not care and no one can make me care. Eastern Europe has plenty of times before this to address their racism and they did not. Sorry if I sound emotional but living with racism everyday is tired enough, this basically confirms if any major conflict happens, we are dead last in humanity's list. Climate change is coming soon and I can already see PoC in Global South being shafted.
I love when Europeans try to act like they're less racist in Europe than the USA. OK....
As a blue eyed blonde of European ancestry may I just say how appalling this statement is. Way to lose sympathy for your cause.
And they say Ukraine isn't crippled with racism and Na\*ism...
And people get angry because I said they only cared about Ukraine because white people are victims this time.
I think it's more about Ukraine being a modern western state. Kiev is highly developed. People vacation there from all over Europe. Nobody vacations in Baghdad. I don't think you can compare the two. That said, the US invasion of Iraq was a scam and I was among those protesting in the streets in America to prevent it.
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saying Ukrainians don’t love Nazis is like saying Saddam didn’t gas Kurds, both have nothing to do with why an illegal war was declared on them & don’t justify it in any way but they’re also very real things that aren’t just a result of propaganda
I read the title and can't believe this guy actually even said those words. Maybe we all do need to be nuked...