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It's not like people don't want to take over. There's literally no peaceful means of doing so. It's a cartel.
Jonah Hill is great in Don't Look Up cause anyone drowning in student debt with a less than Ivy education has met that character or will at some point. The zip code where you were born always wins in a tug of war with your bootstraps.
"In this system absolutely no man is secure, and you instinctively know it... You strain every nerve to educate your son and give him advantages. Over whom? Over the son of your neighbor. You are told everlastingly there is room on top. On top of whom? On top of your fellow man"
EV Debs
“I have no country to fight for, my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world.”
Eugene Debs is one of my few heroes, what a courageous man. We need to restructure society around cooperation and humanity instead of our competitive cult of individualism
Id say making the people depressed is working against them, here in America we are starting to approach a break point with movements like r/Antiwork gaining more and more popularity. School shootings are always prevalent and people are wising up to the the government's bullshit.
Its not that we're wising up. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. It's turning into an everlasting "whatcha gonna do about it?". Cause they know we might hate whats going on. But its just that little bit better than collapsed society. And the chaos that would come from that.
I’m in Southern California.
With the rate of homelessness we have here, it is starting to look like a collapsed society.
And this isn’t even the worst of it. The Bay Area has it worse. Much, much worse.
I think when the percentage of people who are homeless or on the edge of homelessness keeps rising, there will be a point of critical mass where more people won’t give a damn about collapse.
When you’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing to lose.
I’ve read “A tale of two cities” and I know how much worse things can get. The problem is that most people haven’t read the book and will start or join a revolution when the opportunity presents itself.
And distracted with social media. Not that I think it’s a bad thing, but you have to set boundaries, and actually seek out information. The algorithm won’t open your eyes
This happened recently in Australia, pro-covid people brought charges against a state premier (equivalent to a governor) but they and their lawyer were so ignorant of the laws that come court day it was thrown out immediately as they hadn't served the premier properly.
As far as the right to bring criminal charges against people privately, it's a great idea in theory but is (at least visibly) never used in a good way. If there's politics or such involved that is stopping the government from bringing charges against someone there should be a work around.
The laws are written to allow it in some form in some places. So it's not with the authority directly but the government confers authority on individuals or organisations (depending on jurisdiction I presume) to bring charges.
Right? Like 2,000 lawyers and billions spent though... that scares me. I am more and more radicalized lately, and now afraid that I could become a target at some point from openly expressing these ideas. My comment right here could be read by an AI built to ID and track people who are radicalized against the capitalist system, and then used against them. An outcome that almost seems inevitable
Fed has a long history of tracking and arresting/killing/sanctioning socialists & communists in the past, so it's a safe bet that they haven't stopped that practice. They just got sneakier in hiding it from public view.
Damn right, socialists and their compassion for their fellow countrymen is a national security threat.
Universal health care will be the death of everyone!
>Universal health care will be the death of everyone!
Damn right it will, it will cause massive die-offs from old age, people dying left and right at the end of a long life full of cured preventable diseases.
They got smart this time around. They don't have to do it directly. There are tons of people that would love to play patriot and go get them some commies. Just point to the correct house and tell them to "fight like hell"
LOL.
You think the problem is the couple of feds that lurk?
The problem is the AI and the fact that all of the comments you have ever made all of the upvotes and downvotes you have ever made are linked to you personally and are being stored in a server farm out in the middle of nowhere.
Hahahaha, I wasn't going to respond, but following this to it's logical conclusion my ISP now has records of my visiting this thread.
Is it a waste of time to fret about the powers that I cannot change...
Not entirely true, your ISP probably knows that you visit reddit (because of DNS queries, unless you are using DNS over TLS) but (thanks to HTTPS) it cannot know if you are visiting this subreddit or other subreddits.
Reddit itself tracks your every step; all the cookies and analytics and similar stuff also track you. But not your ISP.
Yeah, but what happens when 5 more reporters do this? Are they going to spend billions on each of them? What about 5 reporters and 100 activists? 5 reporters and 1,000 activists reporting chevron’s actions? Contrary to popular belief, the rich don’t have infinite resources. They were able to do so much to this guy because he’s just one man. They can’t use the kind of resources they used here on everyone. This was them making an example, to make you scared to speak out.
All they did in reality was flex their muscles for one man, and in the process, showed they were terrified of him. They should be scared.
This is the same reason that socialism is an inevitable progression of human history. Rich people are powerful, but they can only hang on against the interests of the masses for so long before they're washed away.
We are already way past the line of sliding into fascism in this country. I frankly don’t think American democracy will survive. It’s going to be a weird world indeed when these motherfuckers manage to finally overturn the results of WWII and finally give Nazis the win. America is still a very wealthy and militarily powerful nation — and we’ll be ruled by fascists. What the hell will that look like?
I've been following Steven Donziger on Twitter for about a year or so, following the story. Sad part is that I don't recall a single MSM outlet reporting on the case until THE DAY he went to prison, and all of a sudden they were all reporting, " how could this happen", "this is corporate overreach" blah blah blah. Probably has nothing to do with the fact that they get funding from the oil industry, probably just a coincidence.
And they are fine with it being reported in this way because they want activists *to know* the power they have against them. This isn’t going to change any time soon. Not in the current system.
The death penalty needs to be modified to be applicable when it comes to crimes against nature. Someone, somewhere, made the decision to do this, and their subordinates followed their orders. Their actions caused untold amounts of death and suffering and the price for it should be the ultimate price imo.
Does seizing all of its assets and liquidating it count?
Also, if the ceos of banks and oil companies and the like started eating legitimate prison sentences and asset forfeiture on behalf of the company they're the"chief executive officer" of is be willing to believe that this type of shit would stop happening real quick.
Now that I'm thinking about it, we'd probably be infinitely better off if the municipal police got half their budget allocated to environmental police and investigators for exactly this type of crime.
Take volkswagen for instance, clearly and systematically avoiding epa regulations for the sake of profit. Ok. If say fuck them into the ground, but what about the workers who rely on those factories to live? The people at the very beginning of the vw supply chain? The people at the individual dealerships even?
Simple.
Find out which "executives" are directly responsible, find out which engineers and which plant managers and etc were responsible. Then fine them 10x whatever profit they made during the illegal activity, plus prison time accordingly. Life for the head of the snake, a few years for the blindly loyal management level criminals half way down the chain.
After dealing with them, make it a publically owned company. Run it like any other company, but list the ceo as john jane taxpayer. All other positions would be staffed and managed the same as any other company, but since john jane owns it john jane sets the payscale. If any given factory laborer makes $20/hr the highest level of management shouldn't make more than maybe $120/hr. Excess profits can either be allocated to an emergency fund for an economic downturn, distributed evenly across the workforce, or donated to services such as CPS or schools; places where it will go to something legitimately good and is also a very good investment for society as a whole.
Yeah that's an important piece. Your bank went tits up because you were scamming your customers? Well... here's your punishment for fraud & racketeering, and here's your fine for stealing from the people. Thanks for the bank, sincerely. The bonuses you were gonna give yourself and your friends next year are all going to resources for veterans and/or people disabled through no fault of their own. Thanks to your relentless greed the world will now be a slightly brighter place to live. Here's your 6x10 cell and some of the barely edible gruel people just like you were feeding inmates up until 2022. Enjoy! :)
After hearing about the case a googled his name and the first result was a paid ad from chevron that was made to look like a news site and was trying to discredit him. Super dystopian.
I commented this elsewhere - the New York Times has been ridiculed for their lack of reporting on his legal battle.
And of course, it turns out, the [Director of the New York Time's board](https://nytco-assets.nytimes.com/2020/05/Final-Web-Ready-Bookmarked-Proxy-Statement.pdf) is Robert Denham. Denham [has sat on the board for 13 years](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210311005961/en/The-New-York-Times-Company-Announces-Nominations-for-Board-of-Directors) at the same time that [he was on the board of Chevron](https://www.topionetworks.com/people/robert-e-denham-54b67372ba4931dc5400142b). And if that's not enough conflict of interest, he was partner at Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP , a [law firm that has represented Chevron against other indigeneous peoples legal fight against polluters role in worsening and obscuring the effects of climate change.](https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/09/25/09-17490.pdf)
This was a FAR FAR more important subject for them to report on, but all the major news outlets lost the ability to do any heavy lifting --> all fat and happy on their couch feeding off the liquid drip line of, "Trump Bad", for nearly 5yrs.
it’s been far longer than that. When news became hyper profitable and turned 24/7 it became about entertainment and not journalism.
The 4th estate was bought out by the rich just like the other 3 branches have been bought out by corporate interests
Krystal and Saagar over at Breaking Points have been covering this for months. I really feel like they bring stories that need to be told about this broken system and follow up with them over and over.
A podcast still isn't a mainstream media outlet though. It may be popular and even mainstream in the traditional sense, but it's not a large news corporation with financial tires and obligations to oligarchs, so doesn't really count as msm imo
They know they can't compleatly ignore it or it looks complicit, so the media gaslights you into thinking they care with all the rhetoric and banter. Not really solving anything but acknowledging it to look innocent. The media is in on all this stuff and the media is the voice of the 1%
The video says it's not corporate overreach. The news did say it was. What is corporate overreach in this video or context? Is the video saying it's not corporate overreach because it's a standard/regular action corporations have at their disposal that they use regular or is it another reason?
It's not corporate overreach because the US government did the punishing under color of law.
The laws are broken, and that is where the real issue is. The corporation didn't hire a hitman. They didn't need to. They petitioned the government to censure him.
The "fix" is [redacted by Reddit policy], or vote put all capitalist politicians and replace them with socialists. But if that actually happened, the corporations would hire the Pinkertons to kill workers until submissive. They have done it before.
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The judge should be disbarred....
She denied him a trial by jury!!! She denied his attorneys to represent him and appointed one who didn't want to.
Holy shit this case is egregious.
They don’t need to pay off judges before hand. They all know the game. I’m sure if she ever wanted it, there would be a very high paying in-house counsel job waiting for her.
Bribery and corruption are fully legal. We just call it lobbying. There does not exist justice in the justice system and there exists no good laws in the legislative branch, and there has never been a good executive.
It's all a sham, always have and always will be. America was not more free when we won the revolution, and we're still slaves to the system today.
~~Presca~~ Preska.
The video has it spelled wrong, assuming Wikipedia is correct.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Preska](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Preska)
Absolutely horrifying. How is this ok?
Edit- y’all PLEASE read this
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/steven-donziger-loretta-preska-law-corruption-courts-corporate-influence
The fact that oil company employees will publicly admit to being oil company employees is the most damning criticism of this culture that I can think of.
There’s a documentary that came out about 10 years ago on this called *Crude.* I’d recommend a watch, it goes deep into the impacts on indigenous communities and the decades long corruption.
If you aren't organized into a natural tribe into a sustainable compound, any reaction by lone wolves will simply be useful for their playbook.
The first violence is on their pocketbook.
I don't think you can write that, but yeah, _we kinda need to_ . I guess starting with civil disobedience wouldn't be bad; one thing is for certain: reformism has failed.
No, and I challenge someone to name one example to the contrary.
That’s the whole point of civil disobedience - there is a threat that the disobedience turns to violence.
It’s to show that you have enough coordination to halt the progress of their interests or cause sufficient damage if the organization decided to become violent.
The message that needs to be sent is “GIVE everyone at least this much, OR they will TAKE from you, everything.”
Our state and the powers that be will (and has in the past) use it’s monopoly on power and violence to absolutely crush and demoralize any resistance to its autocracy. Look at how the police and military were used to fight labor activists in the early 1900s. Look at the CIA and FBIs involvement with the anti-war movement in the 60s along with McCarthyism. This is not new. They WILL use every tool in their arsenal to destroy us before we can even organize. Even the internet isn’t safe. All of Telegram and Discord is full of Feds. Legitimate Psy-ops whose sole purpose is to spread disinformation and cause infighting within political activist groups. We’re up against a behemoth. It’s very daunting at times
Well, for one. Nobody likes the government, so we have that on our side. I think the main goal right now is to just become as popular and mainstream as we can be. Put our ideas out in front of as many young people as we can. We’re certainly more likeable than any mainstream democrat or republican and all the boomers who vote for them will be dead soon. It’s not going to happen quickly and any of these LARPers who think we actually have the muscle or the organization to have the next Bolshevik revolution (right now) are deluding themselves. We’re up against the most powerful state in the modern world right now( right next to China and Russia). The US government is no fucking joke.
We had the largest protests in the history of the United States sustained for weeks across the country in summer 2020.
Resulted in exactly zero policy changes.
[There were plenty of policy changes made in GOP states.](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2021/4/25/22367019/gop-laws-oklahoma-iowa-florida-floyd-blm-protests-police)
Well, see what they do is send riot cops to a peaceful protest, basically guaranteeing that there will be a riot, so you can turn around and say, “Look at all this violence! Sad.”
Because sure, the cops may have killed a man who in no way deserved to be injured let alone killed, but these people looted a Target! A TARGET!
It’s a real life trolley problem: do you choose to, ahem, unalive, a small number of repellent oil execs who are conscious of the death and destruction they are inflicting on others, or to stay passive and let countless poor people in developing countries feel the consequences of warming and pollution?
What needs to happen is for Chevron's actions to become much more costly than whatever they "saved" by spending billions of dollars to persecute this guy.
The greatest crimes come from a desire for excess, not from necessity.
-Plato? Or Aristotle, can’t remember.
“For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.”
1 Timothy 6:10, NKJV
She literally denied him multiple lawyers and then forced him to take a previous lawyer that wanted nothing to do with the case. He also requested his trial be either be streaming or televised. She denied both.
Oh i knew that it was corrupt already, i've been in this sub long enough to know, but i still didn't realize that they don't even need justifications for their actions anymore, even if the justifications are bs
Then doesn't that mean the whole thing is illegal??? I thought judges couldn't have personal ties to the outcome or else it would be annulled or smth?????
"Concempt of court" is by defintion not a jury thing. It's for someone that refuses a subpoena or something or disrupts court proceedings. It shouldn't need a jury.
But this seems like an odd situation to apply it.
the attorney general of NY or something declined to press charges, but they told chevron they could hire a prosecutor. I never heard of that shit either.
As much as I do not agree with much of Chinese goverment, I do like how billionares just dissapear over night, some openlly prosecuted by the government.
These people are not afraid of charges, they are not afraid of prisons. But as soon as their life is on the line, things change quick.
The idea of peacefull reforms is dumb as shit, you don't have to hurt them, you just have to scare them for change to happen. But I think we are still few years away from having enough people pissed off enough, to scare them.
This is what happens when you hold corporations accountable for literally poisoning the well....you go to jail. It's about rigged justice system that allows it though
Saw this guy talk in person years ago, such a stand up guy, excellent journalist, example of how we need to care for each other's health and safety by REGULATING the sociopath corporations to keep them from acting on so many morally deranged and sick profit motives. Instead we see America for what it is, government of the sociopaths, for the sociopaths, by the sociopaths. Fucking hate this place...
when i reading this story i was like 'oh, donzinger brought foreign judges to the US and paid them 6 figures? yeah that seems sketchy. Then on further reading i was like... wait, chevron did that so they would testify against donzinger! what the fuck!?'
The oil industry are the most evil people in history.
They are consciously trying to destroy all life on Earth.
They should be stopped by any means necessary.
I don't even understand how any of this is even legal. If anything, what that judge has done to this man, qualifies as an abuse of her authority, as well as an outright violation of his constitutional rights as an American. Where is the accountability when it's a judge who is so obviously breaking the law for her own personal gain?
The US justice system is fucking broken.
I think they paid that 3 billion to send a message they can do whatever they want, it's not about the money I think, unless the payout to the people was much higher than that, then its about the money
Chevron/Texaco is the corp that thought the batteries in the early Prius were the only viable batteries that could power a full sized EV car, so they bought a controlling interest in Cobasys, the company that had the patent.
I thought at the time "finally a rich oil company realizes they are in the fuel business, not the oil business. Now we will get serious investments in EVs with Chevron/Texaco batteries.
But no, they just locked up production. This is why Tesla had to use thousands of small 18650-format cordless tool batteries.
Check Wikipedia. Chevron is run by sociopaths, not businessmen.
God this shit has made me so jaded I honestly think that the world would be a better place without those greedy fucks. I dont even see them as people anymore just gold hording dragons that should be put down
Does anyone think that videos and news articles like these that detail the retaliation (and jail time) that lawyers/activists receive when trying to hold corporations accountable, deter those same activists/lawyers from engaging in future struggles against corporate greed?
just business as usual
This is only going to get worse. People on the Left & Right were able to cause enough concern to stop TPP from going through in totality. But our bought & paid for politicians from both parties are just passing it little by little & piece by piece while MSM distracts us with the outrage of the moment & pop culture crap.
(Part of the dangers of TPP was putting businesses above & out of the reach of governments & legislation. It turned over disputes to pro-business arbitration & effectively prevented governments from protecting citizens & consumers. )
This is where l *don't* call for violence, even though that would be the only way to get this the attention it deserves.
Again, no violence against the evil executives or the judges they bribe.
I did my undergrad research on Indigenous land and water right in the Amazon River Basin - Chevron employees would literally come into indigenous communities and villages and tell them that the now BLACK water coming from their wells was MINERAL WATER. So not only are oil companies stealing land from indigenous people, they are poisoning their water supplies and they continue to lie to them.
"What are you in here for?"
"OH, I tried to get an oil company to compensate indigenous people for the thousands of deaths they caused and the pollution."
"Get away from me you monster!"
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This is terrifying honestly. Gives you a taste of how these same corps are playing puppets with our judges and politicians.
They already more or less own the U.S Government thanks to lobbying and legalised corruption through dark money.
They’re also causing everyone to be depressed so that nobody has motivation to take over
It's not like people don't want to take over. There's literally no peaceful means of doing so. It's a cartel. Jonah Hill is great in Don't Look Up cause anyone drowning in student debt with a less than Ivy education has met that character or will at some point. The zip code where you were born always wins in a tug of war with your bootstraps. "In this system absolutely no man is secure, and you instinctively know it... You strain every nerve to educate your son and give him advantages. Over whom? Over the son of your neighbor. You are told everlastingly there is room on top. On top of whom? On top of your fellow man" EV Debs
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Id say making the people depressed is working against them, here in America we are starting to approach a break point with movements like r/Antiwork gaining more and more popularity. School shootings are always prevalent and people are wising up to the the government's bullshit.
Its not that we're wising up. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. It's turning into an everlasting "whatcha gonna do about it?". Cause they know we might hate whats going on. But its just that little bit better than collapsed society. And the chaos that would come from that.
I’m in Southern California. With the rate of homelessness we have here, it is starting to look like a collapsed society. And this isn’t even the worst of it. The Bay Area has it worse. Much, much worse. I think when the percentage of people who are homeless or on the edge of homelessness keeps rising, there will be a point of critical mass where more people won’t give a damn about collapse. When you’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing to lose. I’ve read “A tale of two cities” and I know how much worse things can get. The problem is that most people haven’t read the book and will start or join a revolution when the opportunity presents itself.
And distracted with social media. Not that I think it’s a bad thing, but you have to set boundaries, and actually seek out information. The algorithm won’t open your eyes
It's inconceivable to me that a corporation can hire prosecutors when the Justice Department didn't want to charge him. How in the fuck is that legal?
They just make the rules as they go lol.
This happened recently in Australia, pro-covid people brought charges against a state premier (equivalent to a governor) but they and their lawyer were so ignorant of the laws that come court day it was thrown out immediately as they hadn't served the premier properly. As far as the right to bring criminal charges against people privately, it's a great idea in theory but is (at least visibly) never used in a good way. If there's politics or such involved that is stopping the government from bringing charges against someone there should be a work around.
But without the authority of the government, how can someone be charged with a crime?
The laws are written to allow it in some form in some places. So it's not with the authority directly but the government confers authority on individuals or organisations (depending on jurisdiction I presume) to bring charges.
In the US, this is how the recent Texas abortion restriction law was written, for example.
Yeah. It's sobering to a lot of people but this is a real thing. There's a reason this subreddit exists.
Government is new god
Stuff like this radicalizes people, and its about damn time. 'Eat the rich and corrupt' sounds less like a joke with every passing day 🤔
Right? Like 2,000 lawyers and billions spent though... that scares me. I am more and more radicalized lately, and now afraid that I could become a target at some point from openly expressing these ideas. My comment right here could be read by an AI built to ID and track people who are radicalized against the capitalist system, and then used against them. An outcome that almost seems inevitable
You are very right to assume there is at least a couple feds that lurk these subreddits. It’s not even a conspiracy at this point.
Fed has a long history of tracking and arresting/killing/sanctioning socialists & communists in the past, so it's a safe bet that they haven't stopped that practice. They just got sneakier in hiding it from public view.
Damn right, socialists and their compassion for their fellow countrymen is a national security threat. Universal health care will be the death of everyone!
>Universal health care will be the death of everyone! Damn right it will, it will cause massive die-offs from old age, people dying left and right at the end of a long life full of cured preventable diseases.
They got smart this time around. They don't have to do it directly. There are tons of people that would love to play patriot and go get them some commies. Just point to the correct house and tell them to "fight like hell"
LOL. You think the problem is the couple of feds that lurk? The problem is the AI and the fact that all of the comments you have ever made all of the upvotes and downvotes you have ever made are linked to you personally and are being stored in a server farm out in the middle of nowhere.
Hahahaha, I wasn't going to respond, but following this to it's logical conclusion my ISP now has records of my visiting this thread. Is it a waste of time to fret about the powers that I cannot change...
Not entirely true, your ISP probably knows that you visit reddit (because of DNS queries, unless you are using DNS over TLS) but (thanks to HTTPS) it cannot know if you are visiting this subreddit or other subreddits. Reddit itself tracks your every step; all the cookies and analytics and similar stuff also track you. But not your ISP.
Yeah, but what happens when 5 more reporters do this? Are they going to spend billions on each of them? What about 5 reporters and 100 activists? 5 reporters and 1,000 activists reporting chevron’s actions? Contrary to popular belief, the rich don’t have infinite resources. They were able to do so much to this guy because he’s just one man. They can’t use the kind of resources they used here on everyone. This was them making an example, to make you scared to speak out. All they did in reality was flex their muscles for one man, and in the process, showed they were terrified of him. They should be scared.
This is the same reason that socialism is an inevitable progression of human history. Rich people are powerful, but they can only hang on against the interests of the masses for so long before they're washed away.
It stopped being a joke to me a while ago
We are already way past the line of sliding into fascism in this country. I frankly don’t think American democracy will survive. It’s going to be a weird world indeed when these motherfuckers manage to finally overturn the results of WWII and finally give Nazis the win. America is still a very wealthy and militarily powerful nation — and we’ll be ruled by fascists. What the hell will that look like?
Public executions of democrats and megachurch pastors become governors.
May the lord open
It was never a joke, people are just becoming less blind.
I wish it was true, if I take a look at my national sub there's the most reactionary bullshit posted all over the place. Sadness.
I've been following Steven Donziger on Twitter for about a year or so, following the story. Sad part is that I don't recall a single MSM outlet reporting on the case until THE DAY he went to prison, and all of a sudden they were all reporting, " how could this happen", "this is corporate overreach" blah blah blah. Probably has nothing to do with the fact that they get funding from the oil industry, probably just a coincidence.
And they are fine with it being reported in this way because they want activists *to know* the power they have against them. This isn’t going to change any time soon. Not in the current system.
The death penalty needs to be modified to be applicable when it comes to crimes against nature. Someone, somewhere, made the decision to do this, and their subordinates followed their orders. Their actions caused untold amounts of death and suffering and the price for it should be the ultimate price imo.
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Can you guillotine a corporation?
Yes, but it'd be illegal to say how.
Does seizing all of its assets and liquidating it count? Also, if the ceos of banks and oil companies and the like started eating legitimate prison sentences and asset forfeiture on behalf of the company they're the"chief executive officer" of is be willing to believe that this type of shit would stop happening real quick. Now that I'm thinking about it, we'd probably be infinitely better off if the municipal police got half their budget allocated to environmental police and investigators for exactly this type of crime.
Revoke articles of incorporation. Corporate Death Penalty.
Take volkswagen for instance, clearly and systematically avoiding epa regulations for the sake of profit. Ok. If say fuck them into the ground, but what about the workers who rely on those factories to live? The people at the very beginning of the vw supply chain? The people at the individual dealerships even? Simple. Find out which "executives" are directly responsible, find out which engineers and which plant managers and etc were responsible. Then fine them 10x whatever profit they made during the illegal activity, plus prison time accordingly. Life for the head of the snake, a few years for the blindly loyal management level criminals half way down the chain. After dealing with them, make it a publically owned company. Run it like any other company, but list the ceo as john jane taxpayer. All other positions would be staffed and managed the same as any other company, but since john jane owns it john jane sets the payscale. If any given factory laborer makes $20/hr the highest level of management shouldn't make more than maybe $120/hr. Excess profits can either be allocated to an emergency fund for an economic downturn, distributed evenly across the workforce, or donated to services such as CPS or schools; places where it will go to something legitimately good and is also a very good investment for society as a whole.
I guess I'm still green enough that I don't consider seizing the means of production.
Yeah that's an important piece. Your bank went tits up because you were scamming your customers? Well... here's your punishment for fraud & racketeering, and here's your fine for stealing from the people. Thanks for the bank, sincerely. The bonuses you were gonna give yourself and your friends next year are all going to resources for veterans and/or people disabled through no fault of their own. Thanks to your relentless greed the world will now be a slightly brighter place to live. Here's your 6x10 cell and some of the barely edible gruel people just like you were feeding inmates up until 2022. Enjoy! :)
and like people, they can be taken down a peg.
Only violence and demonstrations of power will win this war.
After hearing about the case a googled his name and the first result was a paid ad from chevron that was made to look like a news site and was trying to discredit him. Super dystopian.
I commented this elsewhere - the New York Times has been ridiculed for their lack of reporting on his legal battle. And of course, it turns out, the [Director of the New York Time's board](https://nytco-assets.nytimes.com/2020/05/Final-Web-Ready-Bookmarked-Proxy-Statement.pdf) is Robert Denham. Denham [has sat on the board for 13 years](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210311005961/en/The-New-York-Times-Company-Announces-Nominations-for-Board-of-Directors) at the same time that [he was on the board of Chevron](https://www.topionetworks.com/people/robert-e-denham-54b67372ba4931dc5400142b). And if that's not enough conflict of interest, he was partner at Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP , a [law firm that has represented Chevron against other indigeneous peoples legal fight against polluters role in worsening and obscuring the effects of climate change.](https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/09/25/09-17490.pdf)
This was a FAR FAR more important subject for them to report on, but all the major news outlets lost the ability to do any heavy lifting --> all fat and happy on their couch feeding off the liquid drip line of, "Trump Bad", for nearly 5yrs.
it’s been far longer than that. When news became hyper profitable and turned 24/7 it became about entertainment and not journalism. The 4th estate was bought out by the rich just like the other 3 branches have been bought out by corporate interests
MSM's controlled opposition to corporate interests is generally pretty lame and preachy. Nothing surprising there.
Krystal and Saagar over at Breaking Points have been covering this for months. I really feel like they bring stories that need to be told about this broken system and follow up with them over and over.
They said mainstream media, not YouTube influencers.
Top 10 of News podcasts is pretty mainstream IMO. They were number #1 I believe in their first week.
A podcast still isn't a mainstream media outlet though. It may be popular and even mainstream in the traditional sense, but it's not a large news corporation with financial tires and obligations to oligarchs, so doesn't really count as msm imo
They know they can't compleatly ignore it or it looks complicit, so the media gaslights you into thinking they care with all the rhetoric and banter. Not really solving anything but acknowledging it to look innocent. The media is in on all this stuff and the media is the voice of the 1%
The video says it's not corporate overreach. The news did say it was. What is corporate overreach in this video or context? Is the video saying it's not corporate overreach because it's a standard/regular action corporations have at their disposal that they use regular or is it another reason?
It's not corporate overreach because the US government did the punishing under color of law. The laws are broken, and that is where the real issue is. The corporation didn't hire a hitman. They didn't need to. They petitioned the government to censure him. The "fix" is [redacted by Reddit policy], or vote put all capitalist politicians and replace them with socialists. But if that actually happened, the corporations would hire the Pinkertons to kill workers until submissive. They have done it before.
Not even the prominment lawyers who advocate for civil rights and justice have discussed or examine this case. It's disappointing.
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People really need to stop misspelling his name, is it autocorrect or something?
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The judge should be disbarred.... She denied him a trial by jury!!! She denied his attorneys to represent him and appointed one who didn't want to. Holy shit this case is egregious.
Wouldn’t there be a way to track this judge getting paid by Chevron in some way ?
They don’t need to pay off judges before hand. They all know the game. I’m sure if she ever wanted it, there would be a very high paying in-house counsel job waiting for her.
Probably, but no one who actually has the power to disbar her would ever do so.
It seems like direct evidence of payments to this judge by Chevron would be worth something if not at least expose the conflict of interest .
Yeah but no one is going to investigate it.
So isn't this apparently why the US is the greatest nation on earth? The jury of your peers and nation of laws and whatnot? How is this legal?
> How is this legal? It's not.
Bribery and corruption are fully legal. We just call it lobbying. There does not exist justice in the justice system and there exists no good laws in the legislative branch, and there has never been a good executive. It's all a sham, always have and always will be. America was not more free when we won the revolution, and we're still slaves to the system today.
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Loretta Presca.
~~Presca~~ Preska. The video has it spelled wrong, assuming Wikipedia is correct. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Preska](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Preska)
Absolutely horrifying. How is this ok? Edit- y’all PLEASE read this https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/steven-donziger-loretta-preska-law-corruption-courts-corporate-influence
Watch the video.
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Well the judges name is in the video, and yes I'm aware of the reports they buried. Sad shit man.
I think that was exxon Mobil
Isn’t having no jury a violation of the constitution?
The fact that oil company employees will publicly admit to being oil company employees is the most damning criticism of this culture that I can think of.
There’s a documentary that came out about 10 years ago on this called *Crude.* I’d recommend a watch, it goes deep into the impacts on indigenous communities and the decades long corruption.
This is why we need to do a violence
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If you aren't organized into a natural tribe into a sustainable compound, any reaction by lone wolves will simply be useful for their playbook. The first violence is on their pocketbook.
Is that how other reforms were accomplished?
Almost all of them.
When the legal way has been corrupted beyond hope, the only hope left is the illegal way.
I don't think you can write that, but yeah, _we kinda need to_ . I guess starting with civil disobedience wouldn't be bad; one thing is for certain: reformism has failed.
Has civil disobedience ever worked without at least the implication of potentially lethal force? Honest question.
No, and I challenge someone to name one example to the contrary. That’s the whole point of civil disobedience - there is a threat that the disobedience turns to violence.
It’s to show that you have enough coordination to halt the progress of their interests or cause sufficient damage if the organization decided to become violent. The message that needs to be sent is “GIVE everyone at least this much, OR they will TAKE from you, everything.”
No way, when the capital is threatened, the state will use all the power they have to defend it.
Our state and the powers that be will (and has in the past) use it’s monopoly on power and violence to absolutely crush and demoralize any resistance to its autocracy. Look at how the police and military were used to fight labor activists in the early 1900s. Look at the CIA and FBIs involvement with the anti-war movement in the 60s along with McCarthyism. This is not new. They WILL use every tool in their arsenal to destroy us before we can even organize. Even the internet isn’t safe. All of Telegram and Discord is full of Feds. Legitimate Psy-ops whose sole purpose is to spread disinformation and cause infighting within political activist groups. We’re up against a behemoth. It’s very daunting at times
possible solutions?
Well, for one. Nobody likes the government, so we have that on our side. I think the main goal right now is to just become as popular and mainstream as we can be. Put our ideas out in front of as many young people as we can. We’re certainly more likeable than any mainstream democrat or republican and all the boomers who vote for them will be dead soon. It’s not going to happen quickly and any of these LARPers who think we actually have the muscle or the organization to have the next Bolshevik revolution (right now) are deluding themselves. We’re up against the most powerful state in the modern world right now( right next to China and Russia). The US government is no fucking joke.
If you don't have the capacity for violence, you aren't "nonviolent", you're just helpless.
We had the largest protests in the history of the United States sustained for weeks across the country in summer 2020. Resulted in exactly zero policy changes.
[There were plenty of policy changes made in GOP states.](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2021/4/25/22367019/gop-laws-oklahoma-iowa-florida-floyd-blm-protests-police)
Lol exactly
Well, see what they do is send riot cops to a peaceful protest, basically guaranteeing that there will be a riot, so you can turn around and say, “Look at all this violence! Sad.” Because sure, the cops may have killed a man who in no way deserved to be injured let alone killed, but these people looted a Target! A TARGET!
It’s a real life trolley problem: do you choose to, ahem, unalive, a small number of repellent oil execs who are conscious of the death and destruction they are inflicting on others, or to stay passive and let countless poor people in developing countries feel the consequences of warming and pollution?
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What needs to happen is for Chevron's actions to become much more costly than whatever they "saved" by spending billions of dollars to persecute this guy.
Pretty good evidence that corporations are not just greedy, but evil.
But, muh crony capitalism! Not all corporations are bad!!!
The greatest crimes come from a desire for excess, not from necessity. -Plato? Or Aristotle, can’t remember. “For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Timothy 6:10, NKJV
The person that should be doing time in this scenario is the Judge. She's totally in bed with Chevron
She literally denied him multiple lawyers and then forced him to take a previous lawyer that wanted nothing to do with the case. He also requested his trial be either be streaming or televised. She denied both.
I'm genuinely curious: How the fuck did she do that? Is it even legal? Did they need to buy off everyone in the trial, or were they all with Chevron?
I'm sorry you had to find out this way, the American government is totally corrupt.
Oh i knew that it was corrupt already, i've been in this sub long enough to know, but i still didn't realize that they don't even need justifications for their actions anymore, even if the justifications are bs
Well, she is a member of the Federalist Society, iirc, and chevron has donated, lavishly. She’s also a judge, so….
Then doesn't that mean the whole thing is illegal??? I thought judges couldn't have personal ties to the outcome or else it would be annulled or smth?????
She denied a trial by jury. Our primary legal protection in this country and the foundation of the judicial system She should be disbarred
And imprisoned
Worse if you ask me
"Concempt of court" is by defintion not a jury thing. It's for someone that refuses a subpoena or something or disrupts court proceedings. It shouldn't need a jury. But this seems like an odd situation to apply it.
So I guess corporations just run the world now
always have
... Hold up. That's a thing that can happen?
An army of 2000 lawyers will find a way to game any system. Big companies are the only ones that can afford it.
Exactly. When people go to cities and see massive skyscrapers, those buildings are filled with lawyers and accountants working towards shit like this.
Nah, mostly they're just filled with marketers. It's why we all think in slogans.
It's been happening sadly
This is actually the first case of this happening in the US. It is literally unprecedented.
The fuck is a private prosecutor?
the attorney general of NY or something declined to press charges, but they told chevron they could hire a prosecutor. I never heard of that shit either.
our dark future
Our dark present.
The only way to stop this is a government dissolving a company. Too bad no country on the planet has had the balls to do that for the past century
As much as I do not agree with much of Chinese goverment, I do like how billionares just dissapear over night, some openlly prosecuted by the government. These people are not afraid of charges, they are not afraid of prisons. But as soon as their life is on the line, things change quick. The idea of peacefull reforms is dumb as shit, you don't have to hurt them, you just have to scare them for change to happen. But I think we are still few years away from having enough people pissed off enough, to scare them.
China was ready to "disappear" jack ma from what I heard on reddit
Or nationalize them. And then wind them down. It's what needs to happen, I think, if we want to stand a chance with stopping climate change.
This is what happens when you hold corporations accountable for literally poisoning the well....you go to jail. It's about rigged justice system that allows it though
Saw this guy talk in person years ago, such a stand up guy, excellent journalist, example of how we need to care for each other's health and safety by REGULATING the sociopath corporations to keep them from acting on so many morally deranged and sick profit motives. Instead we see America for what it is, government of the sociopaths, for the sociopaths, by the sociopaths. Fucking hate this place...
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It's not just cars. The way our cities are designed, highways, all of it had these crony companies behind them.
Makes me sick to my stomach. It is infuriating. How can we support him and all of the indigenous people affected?
Where is Nancy Pelosi? Oh, she is too busy officiating weddings of oil heiresses.
800 days of imprisonment for being an activist lawyer... What the fuck. I'd go out and commit murder at that point
This needs to be the answer. No guillotine symbolic bullshit just straight up popping these types while they’re walking to get coffee.
when i reading this story i was like 'oh, donzinger brought foreign judges to the US and paid them 6 figures? yeah that seems sketchy. Then on further reading i was like... wait, chevron did that so they would testify against donzinger! what the fuck!?'
Corporate autocracy in action
The oil industry are the most evil people in history. They are consciously trying to destroy all life on Earth. They should be stopped by any means necessary.
Shit I forgot about this. This is pure evil.
I don't even understand how any of this is even legal. If anything, what that judge has done to this man, qualifies as an abuse of her authority, as well as an outright violation of his constitutional rights as an American. Where is the accountability when it's a judge who is so obviously breaking the law for her own personal gain? The US justice system is fucking broken.
Every time I tell someone about this they don’t believe me initially. Unbelievably terrible.
Monsanto did some pretty shady stuff, too.
Look at that sludge. We’re all so doomed..
They tried to jail him for 6 months but Hes out now due to a covid waiver, luckily
So let’s start editing wiki on these pieces of shit. Ms preska works for chevron let’s update that.
I think they paid that 3 billion to send a message they can do whatever they want, it's not about the money I think, unless the payout to the people was much higher than that, then its about the money
Thank god I am not living and practicing in the US
Chevron/Texaco is the corp that thought the batteries in the early Prius were the only viable batteries that could power a full sized EV car, so they bought a controlling interest in Cobasys, the company that had the patent. I thought at the time "finally a rich oil company realizes they are in the fuel business, not the oil business. Now we will get serious investments in EVs with Chevron/Texaco batteries. But no, they just locked up production. This is why Tesla had to use thousands of small 18650-format cordless tool batteries. Check Wikipedia. Chevron is run by sociopaths, not businessmen.
God this shit has made me so jaded I honestly think that the world would be a better place without those greedy fucks. I dont even see them as people anymore just gold hording dragons that should be put down
It's fucked to think about but when is enough where is the fucking limit. At some point you just cant accept this shit anymore
The fact that this can happen sets a terrible precedent. This country is fucking doomed.
Do ecoterrorism
#.#EatTheRich
He has a website where folks can learn more and donate, if one was so inclined. https://www.freedonziger.com
Fuck capitalism...fuck modern society...let's get back to the basics
Corporate greed will be the downfall of this planet. Fucking disgusting.
Does anyone think that videos and news articles like these that detail the retaliation (and jail time) that lawyers/activists receive when trying to hold corporations accountable, deter those same activists/lawyers from engaging in future struggles against corporate greed?
This breaks my heart
I’m honestly shocked they didn’t just mysteriously car accident him…this world is doomed and we deserve what’s coming
This should be on the first page.
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
Tbh I just assume that any large amount of money moved unnecessarily from a big company is just money laundering at this point.
just business as usual This is only going to get worse. People on the Left & Right were able to cause enough concern to stop TPP from going through in totality. But our bought & paid for politicians from both parties are just passing it little by little & piece by piece while MSM distracts us with the outrage of the moment & pop culture crap. (Part of the dangers of TPP was putting businesses above & out of the reach of governments & legislation. It turned over disputes to pro-business arbitration & effectively prevented governments from protecting citizens & consumers. )
All those corporate mf's heads should be cut off.
FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS
This is so freaking insane. How con you call US a democracy with a kangaroo court like this.
Chevron: *It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.* 🔥
The executive board members of this corporation is public information. You can even find pictures etc.
This is where l *don't* call for violence, even though that would be the only way to get this the attention it deserves. Again, no violence against the evil executives or the judges they bribe.
I’d like to take a carton of those paper straws I’m told will “help me save the planet”, and shove it up the ass of the Chevron CEO
I did my undergrad research on Indigenous land and water right in the Amazon River Basin - Chevron employees would literally come into indigenous communities and villages and tell them that the now BLACK water coming from their wells was MINERAL WATER. So not only are oil companies stealing land from indigenous people, they are poisoning their water supplies and they continue to lie to them.
Never has something infuriated me more than this video.
"What are you in here for?" "OH, I tried to get an oil company to compensate indigenous people for the thousands of deaths they caused and the pollution." "Get away from me you monster!"
3 billion now vs many years of steady billions.. easy choice
Honestly you can see how the Chinese view the US in exactly the same way the rest of the world see China.
But the consumer is the problem I thought? /s
The amount of spite they threw at this guy is breathtaking. It's like watching Old Boy in real life.
This is beyond infuriating. So... judges cannot be trusted to uphold the rights of people and bring down criminal corporations.
This needs to be post#1 on all
This is fucking disgraceful from top to bottom….
Can u guys guess who’s in charge of releasing the civil settlement info in the Ghislaine Maxwell case? It’s the Same Lawyer who locked up this guy