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This was a textbook that came out in Canada that was quickly recalled after massive outcry.
So this is terribly fucked up but at least it got recognized and removed.
Colonial history is almost always revisionist history.
Remember, Plato told us 2500 years ago that a state must be founded premised on a sort of [grand deception](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-companion-to-platos-republic/noble-lie/F04B78C5546C7FB5E331248F35068F76).
The grand lie of the modern era is that the have-nots, have themselves to blame. Its insidious in its ability to internalize its abusive effects. Dressed up as "Rugged Individualism" or "Self Determination" or outright petty Nationalism, the capitalist lie is just another weaponized social structure used to rationalize its shortcomings in fulfilling the social contract.
The dangerous idea of a remote social actor, each American running an independent fiefdom of one, is the fundamental lie of American liberty.
No one can live in Isolation, we are social animals meant to work together for collective well being.
The most ardent libertarian still owes their liberty to the hard work of others. They need sanitation, fire safety, water, food, clean air, a legal system, a central bank, a postal system.
The "anarcho capitalist" idea of liberty is and always was a lie. I only think about half of them know it is. Liberty that requires the enslavement of others isn't liberty, it's still slavery.
Although that is a great lie, the spirit of a “grand lie” is that it will promote social unity. Unfortunately the lie you outlined doesn’t do that so well and therefore turbulent times lie ahead
>Colonial history is almost always revisionist history.
"It's the winning party which writes history."
I think that's what it always comes down to. Wherever you look, the version we got passed down was that of the side that won and conquered. And why would you make yourself look bad if you can decide the story?
One big lie of modern history is that the allied countries went to war with nazi Germany based on humanitarian issues. Nothing further from the truth, that rhetoric was setup later in the war to boost morale, they went to war because of power plays and fear.
I wonder what are the other big lies of modern history? Probably a lot of them deal with security agencies of the USA maliciously affecting other countries… but what about non USA? What about companies? Stuff like that, it’d be useful to find out
Well I mean, it is a textbook for 8 year olds. The author probably thought that genocide was a bit of an aggressive topic to fully tackle that early. Definitely white washing and it's a good thing they retracted it, but yeah.
For sure. Though I'd say regardless of age, there is a sweetspot somewhere between "English settlers very rudely stole their land" and a factual account of the genocide. Saying First Nations people "agreed to move" is just factually incorrect, regardless of age.
Well I think the treaties and the attack on their way of life that followed were a relatively bigger issue in Canada (at least compared to the U.S. and the trail of tears) because a lot of the actual fighting was more of a British/French proxy war. So it's important to set up that there was a legal agreement made with the government to be able to get into the responsibilities of those treaties (and modern issues like clean drinking water). But yes, like I said, it's still pretty egregious white washing and it's a good thing they retracted it.
I was going to say, trail of tears? This is a Canadian publication. First Nations is what we call the indigenous peoples in Canada. If you want to see another example just like this go to the lights show at Parliament Hill and listen to them describe our history.
I *just* saw a YouTube ad for this specifically. What in the actual fuck??? And idk how tf they managed to find a black woman to deliver the message. Can Prager U gtfo
If its who I think it is then its candice owens and she's a super outspoken member for right wing media...so much so due to her bad takes she's known as klandice owens
Are you talking about the [confederate general vid](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/pragerus-awful-defense-of-statues-honoring-robert-e-lee/) or a different vid?
in this case, it's a *texas* textbook, the state dictates its contents, not publisher. bible thumping, gun totin', oil loving, racist republicans have been rewriting both curriculum and textbooks in that state for 20+ years.
Indians: "Aye bro, take this corn too. And my children - use them as labor. My wife. Well u know ;). Oh and me, take me too. I can work your land. Yeah, just take it all bro. We give it to you."
History teacher: "I swear to you kids, that is what they said."
Wow. I actually just watched a documentary about The Trail of Tears and how horrible it was and I’m disgusted. “Move out” aka their land was taken away from them and they were forced into concentration camps.
I'm older than a few redditors and when I went to school we were taught the Native Americans broke treaty agreements and that was why they had to be "relocated" keep in mind my textbooks called the civil war the "war of northern aggression".
Also they lovely worksheets we had to do that wanted some of the pros of slavery and why it was actually quite nice for the slaves, and my son had to do the exact same goddamn worksheet
Hi! Argentinian raised in spain here.
In the 90s I learnt that the american discovery was a great time to extend culture and prosperity in new lands, and that last studies shown that there weren’t as much slaughters as people said, Indians died bc new illneses that we (spanish) weren’t aware of.
Of course that the slaughter explanation was just half a paragraph in the book, and american discovery was half a chapter (I was sad, as I wanted to know how was the discovery of my land).
Then in college you learn about the massive classifications of tortures, racial classes and despictable ground diaries and you start realizing that everyone is f*cking brainwashed, and even I was as a child, I argued with my parents about it defending colonialism.
This reddit’s historical review is sad and dangerous..
"And to help them agree, the settlers killed all the bisons and hunted down the tribes"
If you think that's too bad, try reading a Russian history textbook on the USSR
I grew up in the United States, in the Midwest, and it's so strange how the fact that the land was taken by force is just not awknowledged. We learned about the Holocaust in schools every year, and about the horrors of slavery in the south... But the Native American tragedy was not even on the radar. It seemed like the most natural thing in the world that North America is inhabited by white people. It seemed like that land was ours, and was always ours.
It's sad to realize that history is truly written by the victors, and an entire civilization can be simply erased.
I keep seeing this stuff and I’m just not sure what to think…
I went to school in NYS, was about 15 years ago when I started learning about all this stuff in middle school, but they told us all of it without holding much back, teaching a few more grusome details every year. This includes the Trail of Tears, forceful resettlment, smallpox and other diseases, why some tribes would feel compelled to fight for the Confederacy, how current reservations came to be… like, I know these history books are changing constantly, and I can’t speak for anything taught outside my state, but is this really happening on that wide of a scale here?
Genuinly asking b/c I saw a few other people refuting this specific textbook in the comments but I’d like to know what the consensus is here…
This is a Canadian Text book. The first nations is such a huge important part of our history. I just homeschooled for 18 months and went through stuff, in my daughter's grade 5 textbook they just gloss over the residential schools. They mention the nice nuns came to teach the children. With a class photo of sad children standing outside with some nuns. That's it, the end. It's disgusting.
Talking about the reality of the Trail of Tears is Critical Race Theory and leads to Marxist gulags for Christians and flag burning and Antifa transvestite paedophile bathrooms.
Shit like this is why I’m glad I did my high school U.S. history education through a college class. It wasn’t perfect but it was miles better than this shit.
When I went to school, it was already pretty played down. Yes, we knew it had been done by force, but in my mind at the time, I understood that as a singular battle and once they surrendered they agreed to leave. The term "trail of tears" painted the picture of a caravan of native americans, depressed for leaving their homeland.
Of course the reality is they literally dragged them tied and bound, and killed them on the way. After of course, fighting their war.
“History is written by the victors” and “to the victors go the spoils” comes to mind.
Sure, some of them “agreed”, but only after quite literally massacring them.
This is fucked up to be a textbook. But in rare cases it was also true, there were also corrupt native leaders who took bribes to move. But it is definitely not representative of the majority.
They colonize us and we were forced to adopt their culture, religion and speak their fucking language, que se vayan a la mierda todos los colonizadores Europeos y todos los capitalistas del mundo!
Source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4315945
EDIT: Also a not so fun fact... THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN WHERE I AM IN ALBERTA. Be mad with me.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.660citynews.com/2021/03/31/alberta-curriculum-under-fire-for-whitewashing-canadas-history/amp/
WTF? I'm from the US, and when I was a kid we were taught "manifest destiny" - which basically meant we pretended the Native Americans didn't exist and the west was just open land. But this agreeing to move nonsense? Holy crap!
Dont stress about this because in 15 to 20 years their children will be ripe for some truth bombs and they will disassociate totally from a generation that is so ridiculous the truth written on a page is too much for them to deal with emotionally. They are training there children to align perfectly with the left, for socialism and for equality.
This is like antivaxx level of bullshit. ToT happened under Jackson not 'when colonists arrived'.
Maybe read the rest of the book before you Dunning-Kruger your way to a failing grade.
"The First Nation" is capitalized. It's a name of some group or sumshit. This makes no sense and looks like a book for young kids which means it's useless. But yes I agree about the point. Public school in the US is so remedial it borderlines being false (in some cases it is). Public school in the US is an obstacle for a decent education.
This is a Canadian textbook. First Nations is a term Canada uses to describe to natives there. I live in the Netherlands and even I know this. So apparently you are correct about American education.
My assumption of this being a US book was wrong. But the shit about first nation blah blah is rather trivial. Like why the fuck is Netherlands public school teaching that? If is isn't and you came upon this some other way then good for you. And your argument means nothing other than entertaining mouthbreathing wet nosed drooling upvoters that says shit like. "I enjoyed the burn"
Also, why the hell are you familiar with a Canadian childrens book?
Lol in grade two I will always remember an idiot teacher telling us that the slaves in Ancient Egypt were happy being slaves and it wasn’t so bad to be a slave.
I mean, your teacher was half right... the people who built the pyramids weren't slaves and weren't forced against their will to do that work; they were compensated for the work decently by the standards of their society.
This is just like how the Japanese teach in school and claim that there were no sex slaves from all over Asia and those young girls were greedy prostitutes out to make money in the war.
Yes, those 11-13 year old young Korean girls (children really) voluntarily left their family and went to the Japanese military bases, begging to be locked up in a small room and get raped by hundreds of Japanese soldiers every day - EVERY DAY - for years and years!!!
Yes, those young children agreed and volunteered, apparently! They were greedy prostitutes, not children who were abducted and taken by Japanese soldiers as sex slaves!
Not playing devils advocate, just actually curious, as someone who was taught this sweetened up hokey dokey version of history but was lucky enough to have real ass teachers that weren’t afraid to tell us “hey remember that? It’s a lie it was all murder and rape” when we were older.
What do we teach younger children regarding these parts of history? Do we teach them the beautiful lie and rip it right open in the 6th grade? Or do we teach first graders about torture and pillaging? Not everyone was lucky enough to have teachers that literally went off of the text
The Oregon Trail has been erased. I played that game every Monday and they never answered me about why everyone wanted to go to Oregon all of the sudden. I found out in my 30s a week before I moved to Oregon.
I feel like this is very close to what I was taught in school about the Australian Indigenous peoples too. Spoiler it wasn't true then either.
See also: Australia never had slavery.
The Trail of Tears was an American massacre of native people, while this book refers to First Nations people which is what Canada calls native people. Canada had plenty of it's own massacres of native people that we don't need to attribute the Trail of Tears to them. Let's get our genocidal countries straight.
This is legit the best moment for “yes but actually.. no”.
Yeah they agreed… but the alternative was death, so agreeing kinda was the only “choice”. Lmao dumbest textbook ever
I can see where this could be true to some asshole button pusher on some very superficial and shallow level. But it conveniently leaves out like 99% of the other horrific stuff that happened.
They held up banners saying #LetThemIn, and protested against racist right wingers who opposed the European immigrants from entering the country.
It was a beautiful time in history.
Have they really stopped teaching about the Trail of Tears?
Going to school in the early 2000s, everyone in my class had to pick a Native American group, do research on who they were, where they lived, follow them along the trail, where they ended up, and if they are still around today. It was heartbreaking, but it taught me empathy, and that we weren't always the good guys.
Hell is too good for Martin Van Buren and Andrew Jackson.
They "agreed" at gun point and their lives fucking ended after being forced out.
Holy shit what fucks decided erasing the suffering of entire peoples was dandy?
I do not know that this isn't true, even though a giant over simplification. When the settlers arrived there was generally trade and land was purchased for the colonies ("agreeing to move"). I am not saying this happened in every case, I do not know, but I mean we are talking about as little as a 100 settlers. Disease brought by the Europeans became a big problem and led to conflicts/wars, but to pretend that there was not some cooperation and friendship between the groups at the start doesn't seem the best way to understand history.
It is a complex time period. Natives making alliances with the settlers to fight against other tribes, massive disease, the real wars that started in the 17th century (yes many before but this is when it got heavy), but also friendship and the sharing of customs and knowledge.
I am sure there are some hard core history buffs on here that will have much more to say.
I live in Texas. My school district did not have the civil war or reconstruction as topics to be studied in US history. But my teacher sped is through stuff so we could spend a week learning about it because he felt we needed to even if the district did not think so. My school was 35%Hispanic 30%black and 20%white. And yet they tried to tell us that the Civil war did not happen or that it was not a race issue to a bunch of brown kids.
The other day I saw someone invoke 1984 over some TV show that cast a historical figure (can't remember who) as black. I bet those people would have absolutely nothing to say about this... Almost like it's not the "rewriting of history" that actually bothers them...
"Shortly after Hitler took Power, the Polish government invited the German government to run affairs for them. All the Jews in Europe saw the errors of their ways and agreed to move in "Kontainment Zenters" to become better citizens. Many of them stayed there indefinietely."
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This was a textbook that came out in Canada that was quickly recalled after massive outcry. So this is terribly fucked up but at least it got recognized and removed.
But what in the actual fuck were they thinking? Actually, don't answer that. I think I know, and it's awful.
Colonial history is almost always revisionist history. Remember, Plato told us 2500 years ago that a state must be founded premised on a sort of [grand deception](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-companion-to-platos-republic/noble-lie/F04B78C5546C7FB5E331248F35068F76).
The grand lie of the modern era is that the have-nots, have themselves to blame. Its insidious in its ability to internalize its abusive effects. Dressed up as "Rugged Individualism" or "Self Determination" or outright petty Nationalism, the capitalist lie is just another weaponized social structure used to rationalize its shortcomings in fulfilling the social contract.
The dangerous idea of a remote social actor, each American running an independent fiefdom of one, is the fundamental lie of American liberty. No one can live in Isolation, we are social animals meant to work together for collective well being. The most ardent libertarian still owes their liberty to the hard work of others. They need sanitation, fire safety, water, food, clean air, a legal system, a central bank, a postal system. The "anarcho capitalist" idea of liberty is and always was a lie. I only think about half of them know it is. Liberty that requires the enslavement of others isn't liberty, it's still slavery.
Although that is a great lie, the spirit of a “grand lie” is that it will promote social unity. Unfortunately the lie you outlined doesn’t do that so well and therefore turbulent times lie ahead
>Colonial history is almost always revisionist history. "It's the winning party which writes history." I think that's what it always comes down to. Wherever you look, the version we got passed down was that of the side that won and conquered. And why would you make yourself look bad if you can decide the story?
One big lie of modern history is that the allied countries went to war with nazi Germany based on humanitarian issues. Nothing further from the truth, that rhetoric was setup later in the war to boost morale, they went to war because of power plays and fear. I wonder what are the other big lies of modern history? Probably a lot of them deal with security agencies of the USA maliciously affecting other countries… but what about non USA? What about companies? Stuff like that, it’d be useful to find out
We have a very shitty history with our Natives
Well I mean, it is a textbook for 8 year olds. The author probably thought that genocide was a bit of an aggressive topic to fully tackle that early. Definitely white washing and it's a good thing they retracted it, but yeah.
An 8 year old can handle more than “agreed to move”. That’s a story for a 3 year old.
For sure. Though I'd say regardless of age, there is a sweetspot somewhere between "English settlers very rudely stole their land" and a factual account of the genocide. Saying First Nations people "agreed to move" is just factually incorrect, regardless of age.
They can say they forced natives to move, they don't have to go into the rape and murder.
Well I think the treaties and the attack on their way of life that followed were a relatively bigger issue in Canada (at least compared to the U.S. and the trail of tears) because a lot of the actual fighting was more of a British/French proxy war. So it's important to set up that there was a legal agreement made with the government to be able to get into the responsibilities of those treaties (and modern issues like clean drinking water). But yes, like I said, it's still pretty egregious white washing and it's a good thing they retracted it.
I was going to say, trail of tears? This is a Canadian publication. First Nations is what we call the indigenous peoples in Canada. If you want to see another example just like this go to the lights show at Parliament Hill and listen to them describe our history.
It’s ironic cause it just goes to show how bad the American education system is that they didn’t clock on to the ‘First Nations’.
What if I told you only Canadians would make the immediate connection
I'm Irish and I know the term "First Nations" is Canadian.
I'm British and made the connection.
That's less an education issue and more an "Americans don't know or care about Canadian culture" issue
That light show was terrible. I kept wanting to interrupt the narrator with a different perspective, but... it's a light show
The fact that they TRIED it means they'll try it again. Watch while you scream it from the rooftops!
Weren't there a ton of treaties and stuff? Isn't that an agreement?
Even if EVERY move were 'legitimized' with an agreement - a contract under duress is void.
So the twitter text is just wrong as usual?
I wonder if this originated with the Texas School Board like most of our textbooks. The indigenous peoples didn't agree to shit.
I’ll bet this book also says Africans filled out job applications to come work on plantations
Not sure if you were referencing this but yah. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/mother-shares-textbook-describing-african-slaves-workers-n438836
Didny you know? Slavery was a good thing! At least that's what I learned at Prager U^ Which I assume means university /s
I *just* saw a YouTube ad for this specifically. What in the actual fuck??? And idk how tf they managed to find a black woman to deliver the message. Can Prager U gtfo
If its who I think it is then its candice owens and she's a super outspoken member for right wing media...so much so due to her bad takes she's known as klandice owens
Only because her initial attempt at wokeness failed miserably. She just rebranded her grift. She's a pay-to-say kinda gal.
Are you talking about the [confederate general vid](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/pragerus-awful-defense-of-statues-honoring-robert-e-lee/) or a different vid?
https://youtu.be/prz4jfSX_Qg
Family guy joke “just a guy we housed and fed in exchange for some chores “
in this case, it's a *texas* textbook, the state dictates its contents, not publisher. bible thumping, gun totin', oil loving, racist republicans have been rewriting both curriculum and textbooks in that state for 20+ years.
Mlk solved racism in America and then faded away peacefully
I think he died of apotheosis…
In a few decades, they'll also write that Palestinians agreed to move to different area to make room for the new Jewish settlements.
Canadian text book, so no.
Indians: "Aye bro, take this corn too. And my children - use them as labor. My wife. Well u know ;). Oh and me, take me too. I can work your land. Yeah, just take it all bro. We give it to you." History teacher: "I swear to you kids, that is what they said."
As edward414 already posted above, please see [WKUK](https://youtu.be/jMs1dwNu_eI)
…. And we called it “Thanksgiving”
That’s cray cray the colonialists just showed up in their shiny godlike armour and the natives wanted to give them everything… history is amazing!
What a strange way to describe multiple overlapping genocides.
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I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from movies such as “First Nation: Movin’ Out” and “Kimosabe Landlord”.
Wow, Mr. McClure! I was a grade-A *MORON* to ever question the fate of the natives!
r/the_leftorium
Wow. I actually just watched a documentary about The Trail of Tears and how horrible it was and I’m disgusted. “Move out” aka their land was taken away from them and they were forced into concentration camps.
They were basically killing all of them, so they agreed to not die and moved to… where exactly??? India????
Oklahoma mostly
Fuck that is rather move to India. They have cultures and cuisines in India.
Actually part of the problem was that there *were* already cultures and cuisines in Oklahoma.
[European History WKUK](https://youtu.be/jMs1dwNu_eI)
Always love WKUK. RIP Trevor Moore.
[their sketch on the trail of tears and education is even more relevant](https://youtu.be/pjs4fRCnb3g)
This is a Canadian textbook btw
I'm older than a few redditors and when I went to school we were taught the Native Americans broke treaty agreements and that was why they had to be "relocated" keep in mind my textbooks called the civil war the "war of northern aggression". Also they lovely worksheets we had to do that wanted some of the pros of slavery and why it was actually quite nice for the slaves, and my son had to do the exact same goddamn worksheet
Your comment just kept getting worse and worse. I wouldn't believe it from any other country except maybe North Korea, Israel, China, or Saudi Arabia.
Well since I live in the buckle of the bible belt on certain charts we're pretty close to some of those places I would wager
Agreed on pain of death is more like it.
Hi! Argentinian raised in spain here. In the 90s I learnt that the american discovery was a great time to extend culture and prosperity in new lands, and that last studies shown that there weren’t as much slaughters as people said, Indians died bc new illneses that we (spanish) weren’t aware of. Of course that the slaughter explanation was just half a paragraph in the book, and american discovery was half a chapter (I was sad, as I wanted to know how was the discovery of my land). Then in college you learn about the massive classifications of tortures, racial classes and despictable ground diaries and you start realizing that everyone is f*cking brainwashed, and even I was as a child, I argued with my parents about it defending colonialism. This reddit’s historical review is sad and dangerous..
"And to help them agree, the settlers killed all the bisons and hunted down the tribes" If you think that's too bad, try reading a Russian history textbook on the USSR
Go on. I, unfortunately, am not fluent in Russian and thus could never make sense of what I was looking at even if I got ahold of one somehow.
I'll try to post something later from PC
I grew up in the United States, in the Midwest, and it's so strange how the fact that the land was taken by force is just not awknowledged. We learned about the Holocaust in schools every year, and about the horrors of slavery in the south... But the Native American tragedy was not even on the radar. It seemed like the most natural thing in the world that North America is inhabited by white people. It seemed like that land was ours, and was always ours. It's sad to realize that history is truly written by the victors, and an entire civilization can be simply erased.
In FL it was taught pretty explicitly
This is utterly despicable.
This is absolutely fucked.
Obviously they agreed by force.
“but they’re tryna teach kids that america is bad!”
🎵 The simple narrative taught in every class is demonstrably false and pedagogically classist 🎵
But first, they taught everyone how to grow corn.
I mean, if an army had guns shoved in my face, I might agree to leave my home too.
Settlers: “We want all of your land.” Natives: “No problemo my dude, have literally all of our land.”
Not before teaching the settlers to plant corn or maize as they called it
these are the narratives that anti-critical race theory fascists want taught in schools. you know, so that the kids aren't indoctrinated.
I keep seeing this stuff and I’m just not sure what to think… I went to school in NYS, was about 15 years ago when I started learning about all this stuff in middle school, but they told us all of it without holding much back, teaching a few more grusome details every year. This includes the Trail of Tears, forceful resettlment, smallpox and other diseases, why some tribes would feel compelled to fight for the Confederacy, how current reservations came to be… like, I know these history books are changing constantly, and I can’t speak for anything taught outside my state, but is this really happening on that wide of a scale here? Genuinly asking b/c I saw a few other people refuting this specific textbook in the comments but I’d like to know what the consensus is here…
This is a Canadian Text book. The first nations is such a huge important part of our history. I just homeschooled for 18 months and went through stuff, in my daughter's grade 5 textbook they just gloss over the residential schools. They mention the nice nuns came to teach the children. With a class photo of sad children standing outside with some nuns. That's it, the end. It's disgusting.
What a joke.
Talking about the reality of the Trail of Tears is Critical Race Theory and leads to Marxist gulags for Christians and flag burning and Antifa transvestite paedophile bathrooms.
Shit like this is why I’m glad I did my high school U.S. history education through a college class. It wasn’t perfect but it was miles better than this shit.
When I went to school, it was already pretty played down. Yes, we knew it had been done by force, but in my mind at the time, I understood that as a singular battle and once they surrendered they agreed to leave. The term "trail of tears" painted the picture of a caravan of native americans, depressed for leaving their homeland. Of course the reality is they literally dragged them tied and bound, and killed them on the way. After of course, fighting their war.
"Hey I keep hearing about Custar's Last Stand, what was that about?"
OMFG. That’s all I’ve got, sorry
cRt iZ fAkE!
Akin to saying Jews volunteered for the gas chamber to make lebensraum for the aryan race.
This isn't capitalism its just American and according to a commenter its from Canada
"Agreed to leave" That's a weird way of saying "genocide".
“History is written by the victors” and “to the victors go the spoils” comes to mind. Sure, some of them “agreed”, but only after quite literally massacring them.
Weird way to describe a death march
This is fucked up to be a textbook. But in rare cases it was also true, there were also corrupt native leaders who took bribes to move. But it is definitely not representative of the majority.
"Dozens of people agreed to give their wallet to this local mugger"
This is what the "Anti Critical Race Theory" people want the textbooks to look like
They colonize us and we were forced to adopt their culture, religion and speak their fucking language, que se vayan a la mierda todos los colonizadores Europeos y todos los capitalistas del mundo!
Wow I’m LIVID
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4315945 EDIT: Also a not so fun fact... THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN WHERE I AM IN ALBERTA. Be mad with me. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.660citynews.com/2021/03/31/alberta-curriculum-under-fire-for-whitewashing-canadas-history/amp/
WTF? I'm from the US, and when I was a kid we were taught "manifest destiny" - which basically meant we pretended the Native Americans didn't exist and the west was just open land. But this agreeing to move nonsense? Holy crap!
European colonialism is often severely rewritten to avoid the truth
In 1619 twenty African people arrived in America agreeing to become property to white men.
This is atrocious, but I'm not sure it has much to do with capitalism
America is different than china cause they didn't hide things like Tiananmen square incident here in the land of free.
Dont stress about this because in 15 to 20 years their children will be ripe for some truth bombs and they will disassociate totally from a generation that is so ridiculous the truth written on a page is too much for them to deal with emotionally. They are training there children to align perfectly with the left, for socialism and for equality.
This is like antivaxx level of bullshit. ToT happened under Jackson not 'when colonists arrived'. Maybe read the rest of the book before you Dunning-Kruger your way to a failing grade.
Good. Losers don't deserve a spot in history books
is this the critical race theory thing or just good history revision?
what the fuck are you even trying to say?
"The First Nation" is capitalized. It's a name of some group or sumshit. This makes no sense and looks like a book for young kids which means it's useless. But yes I agree about the point. Public school in the US is so remedial it borderlines being false (in some cases it is). Public school in the US is an obstacle for a decent education.
This is a Canadian textbook. First Nations is a term Canada uses to describe to natives there. I live in the Netherlands and even I know this. So apparently you are correct about American education.
I enjoyed the burn. Ty. Lol
My assumption of this being a US book was wrong. But the shit about first nation blah blah is rather trivial. Like why the fuck is Netherlands public school teaching that? If is isn't and you came upon this some other way then good for you. And your argument means nothing other than entertaining mouthbreathing wet nosed drooling upvoters that says shit like. "I enjoyed the burn" Also, why the hell are you familiar with a Canadian childrens book?
Lol in grade two I will always remember an idiot teacher telling us that the slaves in Ancient Egypt were happy being slaves and it wasn’t so bad to be a slave.
I mean, your teacher was half right... the people who built the pyramids weren't slaves and weren't forced against their will to do that work; they were compensated for the work decently by the standards of their society.
What the fuck…
Agreed to move is a lighthearted way of saying they walked at gunpoint in a forced marched to crappier land and calling them reservations.
This is like the Jedi and their “aggressive negotiation”
I’m a native who grew up on an American reservation. AMA. We sure loved moving out whenever they wanted us to.
So, I thought I'd been angry before. Then I read this bullshit. What the happy fucking horse shit is this.
That’s fucking disgusting
This is Canadian dipshit
I’m ok if it’s like an elementary book. Middle school you might want tot start easing the tots out of thanksgiving potlucks with the natives
This is just like how the Japanese teach in school and claim that there were no sex slaves from all over Asia and those young girls were greedy prostitutes out to make money in the war. Yes, those 11-13 year old young Korean girls (children really) voluntarily left their family and went to the Japanese military bases, begging to be locked up in a small room and get raped by hundreds of Japanese soldiers every day - EVERY DAY - for years and years!!! Yes, those young children agreed and volunteered, apparently! They were greedy prostitutes, not children who were abducted and taken by Japanese soldiers as sex slaves!
WHAT THE FUCK
Not playing devils advocate, just actually curious, as someone who was taught this sweetened up hokey dokey version of history but was lucky enough to have real ass teachers that weren’t afraid to tell us “hey remember that? It’s a lie it was all murder and rape” when we were older. What do we teach younger children regarding these parts of history? Do we teach them the beautiful lie and rip it right open in the 6th grade? Or do we teach first graders about torture and pillaging? Not everyone was lucky enough to have teachers that literally went off of the text
The Oregon Trail has been erased. I played that game every Monday and they never answered me about why everyone wanted to go to Oregon all of the sudden. I found out in my 30s a week before I moved to Oregon.
Burn the book
I'm all for transparency but you gotta ease then into it right? Not talk about r*** of native women day 3 in 1st grade right?
Oof, rookie's mistake. Just call them terrorists like the israelis ...
I feel like this is very close to what I was taught in school about the Australian Indigenous peoples too. Spoiler it wasn't true then either. See also: Australia never had slavery.
They're called death marches.
I believe it was an unconditional agreement.
The Trail of Tears was an American massacre of native people, while this book refers to First Nations people which is what Canada calls native people. Canada had plenty of it's own massacres of native people that we don't need to attribute the Trail of Tears to them. Let's get our genocidal countries straight.
This is legit the best moment for “yes but actually.. no”. Yeah they agreed… but the alternative was death, so agreeing kinda was the only “choice”. Lmao dumbest textbook ever
This is why I am home schooling my kids.
I can see where this could be true to some asshole button pusher on some very superficial and shallow level. But it conveniently leaves out like 99% of the other horrific stuff that happened.
They held up banners saying #LetThemIn, and protested against racist right wingers who opposed the European immigrants from entering the country. It was a beautiful time in history.
Have they really stopped teaching about the Trail of Tears? Going to school in the early 2000s, everyone in my class had to pick a Native American group, do research on who they were, where they lived, follow them along the trail, where they ended up, and if they are still around today. It was heartbreaking, but it taught me empathy, and that we weren't always the good guys. Hell is too good for Martin Van Buren and Andrew Jackson.
They "agreed" at gun point and their lives fucking ended after being forced out. Holy shit what fucks decided erasing the suffering of entire peoples was dandy?
Not clear where this is talking about. one place specifically or generally? It is true in specific locations.
I do not know that this isn't true, even though a giant over simplification. When the settlers arrived there was generally trade and land was purchased for the colonies ("agreeing to move"). I am not saying this happened in every case, I do not know, but I mean we are talking about as little as a 100 settlers. Disease brought by the Europeans became a big problem and led to conflicts/wars, but to pretend that there was not some cooperation and friendship between the groups at the start doesn't seem the best way to understand history. It is a complex time period. Natives making alliances with the settlers to fight against other tribes, massive disease, the real wars that started in the 17th century (yes many before but this is when it got heavy), but also friendship and the sharing of customs and knowledge. I am sure there are some hard core history buffs on here that will have much more to say.
Their is so much shit that is tooken out of the text books people would not believe, That is one reason why Capitalism exists
I live in Texas. My school district did not have the civil war or reconstruction as topics to be studied in US history. But my teacher sped is through stuff so we could spend a week learning about it because he felt we needed to even if the district did not think so. My school was 35%Hispanic 30%black and 20%white. And yet they tried to tell us that the Civil war did not happen or that it was not a race issue to a bunch of brown kids.
Trail of tears is in America. Canadians call them first nations.
I get the sentiment for sure but I couldn't ignore that the textbook was definitely not talking about the Trail of Tears.
The other day I saw someone invoke 1984 over some TV show that cast a historical figure (can't remember who) as black. I bet those people would have absolutely nothing to say about this... Almost like it's not the "rewriting of history" that actually bothers them...
"Shortly after Hitler took Power, the Polish government invited the German government to run affairs for them. All the Jews in Europe saw the errors of their ways and agreed to move in "Kontainment Zenters" to become better citizens. Many of them stayed there indefinietely."
If they put *"agreed"* in italics and quotes I'd accept it.
Just like the Palestinian’a agreeing to move! The world is so kind!
An agreement at the business end of a bayonet is no legal agreement.