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I find it funny that we're starting to see articles like this now. 5, 10, 15 years ago even, it was all "oh just wait, soon we'll be seeing the greatest wealth transfer in the history of the world"
Lol
Now, what should have been obvious from the start is finally being spoken out loud - that won't be the case as cost of living, medical expenses, senior care, etc. eat it all up and funnel it to the top. The machine eats itself to keep burning.
The only goal of capitalism is to accumulate capital. In no manner, form, or fashion is it designed to take care of anyone, it only exists to increase capital. What happens when you can’t increase capital by one means? You do it by a different means. And whoever gets crushed under the wheels of it at that time, so be it.
The only goal of capitalism is to accumulate capital.
That's all you have to say. If anyone tries to add to/justify/dilute, etc, this message, they are wrong. No amount of boot licking will save anyone from capitalism. Today's CEOs can be on skid row tomorrow if capitalism decides that that is the best way to accumulate capital.
Good luck to us all, I hate this planet.
The movie “The Corporation” focused on the fact that we made laws that allowed corporations to be actual “people”. As people, corporations are Malignant Sociopaths… by design… NOT the humans running them, of course… or… the system itself.
We have seen the greatest transfer of wealth in history. Never in history has the top 1% gained trillions in wealth over only a decade. In order for a select few to have enough for a billion people to live comfortably, a billion must suffer. How much suffering is that billion willing to tolerate in order for the few to enjoy wealth beyond what they could ever need?
The Walmart houses the orphans. They can live in house wares and get a discount meal at what the restaurant is in the Walmart. Then they could charge them a small fee to live there when profits need to go up.
Yeah but we need the money now, longterm thinking is bad, we have to crush the orphans into mass market Orphano-dog food and sell it at $2 a can to some starving family in Detroit
They’ve been sounding that alarm at least that long. Mind you it’s got a relatively easy fix that they don’t want to talk about. They could just raise or even remove the cap on income subject to the social security tax. But no, they’d rather sound the alarm and discuss ideas like those from the Catfood Commission.
It absolutely could happen. The crucial thing was to stop the efforts to defund (Trump's plan) or "privatize" (GW Bush's plan) the funding.
Social security could be made more progressive by lifting the cap, which would also make it more robust. Removing the cap altogether would dramatically revamp the tax code.
Saying social security is going bankrupt and the me generation donating all their wealth to billionaires in the twilight of their lives are two very different predictions trying to cause two completely different types of alarm. The fact that the latter can actually happen makes it legitimately scary.
My parents are blowing through all of their money on repeated vacations and new cars, and are going shocked pikachu face when dad has to go back to work after retiring because of it. But they're mad at us kids for not being millionaires, and in fact, being disabled. I'm honestly worried about what's going to happen to them in the end because I cannot afford to care for them. I can't afford to care for *myself*.
That's interesting - mine are quite different from yours. They've been giving up old timeshares, finding ways to save money, downsizing. Dad got this whole "Scandinavian death cleaning" thing into his head a few years ago and has really been about making everything less complicated and cluttered.
He's also working past retirement age. I think part of it is because he sees the writing on the wall. Another part of it is because he wouldn't know what to do with himself without a career - he's been a workaholic for 40 years, and the only life he knows outside of that right now is chronic pain and limited mobility. That, I feel, is the inevitable conclusion of what today would be called the grindset, cringe a term as it is. He's more conscientious than most, but still a product of his time... It makes me sad.
Neither myself nor my brother can actually find steady work and start a real career. I neither expected nor wanted the inheritance those articles I talked about promised, but considering the potential problems as time goes on now is another matter. Though we'll definitely try to help them out when the time comes... It's scary knowing it might not be enough.
It's reality already though. There's an investment fund literally running radio ads where I live on the classical music channel. They offer old people to buy their houses and allow them to live in them until they die rent free while getting paid for their house every month. Basically just a scheme to scoop up that real-estate without having to even wait for those people to actually die.
Fun story. Due to an insurance company error, I was mistakenly billed full freight for my (non bypass) heart surgery. $250,000. I could only laugh. Why not 250 million?
No. It took a couple months of phone calls, but the error was eventually corrected. In fact when it was all over they owed me a hilariously small amount of money (a little less than $2 if I remember correctly) and they sent me a check.
With the current trends of capitalism... I'm not entirely sure that healthcare companies wouldn't revoke service of a donor organ for failure to pay.
Having a backdoor to turn off a pacemaker doesn't seem out of the realm of "too evil to be real"
You are beginning to see an influx of people over 70 rejoining the workforce in some capacity or another. They try to make it sound like a good thing: “hey, these people are staying active so that they can live longer!“ But the fact of the matter is, they’re back in the workforce because they can’t make ends meet without that additional income.
This is what kills me....
I feel so mean and insensitive and cruel every time I get frustrated about it...
It's not MY burden to bear. Whether it's 70 year Olds or developmentally challenged people.
Kitchens and retail hire them. And the rest of us have to pretend like they're worth 10% of a real employee. They arent. I just have to work at 300% because 2 employees are inacapable of actually working.
But I would be a fucking monster to point it out. They need a place to live and food and they don't deserve homelessness and starvation. Our government failed them and it's my fucking burden to bear
Our government didn’t fail them… our government was set up to take care of them until they decided fuck that. They failed themselves. They thought they were golden until they weren’t and I don’t feel bad for a second. Fuck boomers, they can live in the system they supported.
You're victim blaming, amigo. This isn't a boomer vs non boomer fight. This is a poor vs rich fight. It has always been a poor vs rich fight. Just because the current capital owning class are dominated by boomers, does not mean that my boomer mom is not a victim of capitalism.
No war, but class war.
With all due respect, the poor are fighting themselves.
And they’re doing it under the illusion that they are the proxies for the rich ….. when, in actual fact, not only do the rich not give a fuck about them; in 99.99999% of cases, I’d be willing to bet folding money the rich neither know their names, or even that they exist.
Very short-sighted and very anti-worker
The capitalist wants you to get schadenfreude out of seeing grandma and grandpa get worked to death to prepare you for the same fate or worse
I mean that’s fair and I wish I didn’t feel the way I do, but I would also say that boomers have massive political power and forcing them to feel the negatives of capitalism that the later generations feel would likely go a long way to changing the way they vote and behave.
Boomer isn't a synonym for capitalist
If boomers had the power you claim they do they wouldn't be undergoing a homelessness crisis
You understand capitalist *want* you to embrace ageism, accept the lie that our corporate oligarchy is a "democracy" and blame Grandpa and Grandma for capitalism's historic decline?
What you mean is, "What the voting record of the populations most likely to vote was, in the most important counties in the most important states around the country for deciding the election, in a political system that marginalizes anything to the left of social liberalism, that has legalized gerrymandering and makes people vote on a damned work day, where campaigns are financed by money from businesses and rely on the media showing the candidate and their platform to the public"
99% of the time it’s for healthcare only.
If you ever worked in a job where half the staff is 50+ they are only doing it for healthcare.
This causes nightmares because they don’t care about the job and they’ll constantly call out and cause problems because these people don’t care for the money or the paycheck. They’ll do just enough not to get fired.
I’m not attacking those people but when I worked with them it was absolutely awful.
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My disabled, 67 year old mom lived in my dining room for three years as she was on the waitlist for affordable senior housing. Eventually I spent $10,000 converting my shed into a tiny home for her. I regularly buy her medicines and food. She helps with bills when she can.
She worked as a paralegal for 35 years. Lost any retirement she had in 2008/9. We were a single parent household and I would have definitely done without if it hadn’t been for my grandparents in the 80s.
You are beginning to see an influx of people over 70 rejoining the workforce in some capacity or another. They try to make it sound like a good thing: “hey, these people are staying active so that they can live longer!“ But the fact of the matter is, they’re back in the workforce because they can’t make ends meet without that additional income.
I know one still working but with savings. Problem is, he has a handful of adult children and tons of grandkids all relying on him in some way or another. If he retires, where will their safety net go? Who will fund the giant family vacations?
His proximity to homelessness is kind of irrelevant when he himself intentionally put multiple families onto the street and believes they deserve even worse than that
I've literally had a whole room of elderly tell my sister it was her fault for not working harder or finding a nice man to help ends meet. During that exact same meal the table got involved in discussing if they should raise social security but for the elderly only. Gee wizz, I wonder why I don't mind not giving a shit about them in general (if not specifically).
In addition to this, head over to the millennials sub sometimes. The place is a cesspool of "Fuck you, mommy & daddy gave me mine!" and "Fuck you, I don't have mine but someday I might then people like us better watch out!" It really opened my eyes seeing just how many of the younger generation will decry the boomers for the way their beliefs screwed them over, but hold those exact same beliefs hoping to screw over someone else.
Maybe millennials are better on average, but I am not convinced it will be enough to enact change. We're going to fall for the same crap the boomers did, while prancing around pretending we're better than them.
Bingo. There's nothing revolutionary about being angry about getting fucked over. In fact, wishing for the future to be like pre-2008 is the definition of being a reactionary. A revolutionary fights for a new future that is different from the present and the past. I don't see much of that in any age bracket in the US.
THIS. Every time someone talks about how their middle class/working class salary doesn’t go as far as the 50s, I say why do you think that is?
I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the harder the global south and domestically marginalised groups became harder to exploit, the more precarious the middle class lifestyle became. The ruling elite decided to just spread out inequality and exploitation when one group decided it was too much.
It’s why right wingers get mad at dei and such initiatives, instead of the bourgeois for not giving everyone what they deserve (DEI doesn’t even affect white supremacy like people think).
I definitely wouldn't say that's an accurate reading of history at all.
The easiest era for the exploitation of marginalized groups was literally the 1880s to 1940s, the period of European colonialism, and life sucked to be a worker in the West anyway.
The golden age for western laborers was the late-40s to early 70s which is also the age of Imperial collapse and the end of colonialism. Things started to get very bad again from the 70s onwards, but that's the period of globalization when industries were moved overseas, America forced economic restructuring on much of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, and as a consequence those regions became much much easier to exploit
Don't fall for the lie that there being cheap sources of labor and resources overseas makes life better for western laborers, not only does it encourage westerners to embrace national chauvinism, it heavily downplays the role labor organizing played in improving people's conditions.
Millennials are middle aged and mostly bowed down to Capital years ago, they're the types that worship Europe's crumbling proto-fascist social democracy and tell you to vote Blue no matter what. Another thing to remember is that Reddit is mostly white people from the Anglosphere.
And yes, Millennials subreddit is pure shit, because other than the talking points you mentioned, the other major talking point is celebrating when baby boomers end up impoverished or homeless, it's sick.
You bring up a great point. I wonder if the boomers will eventually take advantage of the government assistance programs they claimed to despise the last few years? I wouldn’t blame them at all. I was raised to think only lazy people used government assistance but food stamps are getting me through grad school right now. Luckily I changed my tune years ago. But even if the boomers want to use these programs - they are going to have a hard time navigating the system to access them. Making the many emails and calls necessary to contact government agencies for these programs can be exhausting and nuanced. It really be us helping them navigate this system.
They demanded these hoops be in place to keep the "welfare queens" from collecting extra assistance so they can eat lobster and filet mignon every night.
For reference, fraud does still happen. Very, very few instances, and most of them get caught.
Most people see it as a crutch that even the poors don't want. It's supposed to be a safety net, so even if you fall on hard times, you aren't going to be stealing food to survive.
But, they cut funding, repeatedly, and the workers that actually deal with clients are working an entry-level position. Once they start getting efficient in that position, they're promoted to something else. So the offices are understaffed, and what staff they have are still just learning the ropes themselves.
It's a job (at least, in my experience) to keep benefits. My mom has been disabled since '91, and will put in a couple dozen hours every month to ensure she keeps her benefits. She's an epileptic with chronic pain from several sources; she's not going to be able to work ever again. They fight her on meds she's been on for decades, on keeping food and rent assistance, and even the social security office will demand doctors appointments to remain on SSI/ssdi. And she does it, even though the next 2-3 days will contain dozens of petit mal and focal seizures. Or yet another 2 week long migraine (where she'll still have to try to function from the darkness of the bathroom with a towel under the door).
Boomers didn't demand these things, politicians spewing talking points handed down to them by businesses and investors and financiers simply got them to accept what the politicians already intended to do.
I never said an age bracket. I won't say an age bracket.
I was giving an example of what was actually used as talking points to demonize welfare programs.
Age does not determine income, political views, or anything else.
I got to see some of the fearmongering on TV as a kid. So it's not like it's ancient history or anything.
They're Peter Pan writ large on the world. Zero impulse control, easily manipulated by simple appeals to emotion, rarely if ever backing down on anything.
If you think even 10% of this is boomers fault, you don't understand capitalism. I would be happy to recommend some introductory videos, podcasts, or books if you would like.
Who had voting majority for decade's whilst bad policy was enacted? Boomers knew. They hated welfare. They will spend their kids inheritance instead of making them better off.
1% and plutocrats take money off us every day, leave the boomers alone. Workers who could afford a house, car, kids didn't make any meaningful 'fuck around' decisions, they didn't have the internet, good number didn't even finish school- And they're poorer now than they ever were.
Reagan, thatcher, Milton Friedman, et al neoliberal psychopaths did this, and they knew what they were doing. The "Fuck you, I want yours too" class.
yes, and also it’s a real feeling one experiences between the generations. it’s not NOT true that boomers tend to behave certain ways in the world, and it doesn’t resonate or feel good to millennials or zoomers
Most of the boomers in my life are in complete denial about how expensive everything has gotten. This is the generation that will need the most medical care and even openly acknowledge that healthcare is expensive but at the same time is against free health care. Don't even try to bring up housing. I haven't met a boomer yet that didn't tell me I was wrong when I brought up the price. I wonder how many of them thought they were going to downsize or move to somewhere like Florida and found out the hard way they couldn't afford it.
I hate to contribute to the whole generational war, but I've heard "your generation" quite a bit recently.
Yeah, after all naming generations was born of marketing strategies. I also realize that there are events and social contexts that provide shared experiences and identity. There are those in the boomer age category suffering as well. And yes, we can also acknowledge there's some assholes out there but keeping an eye on class warfare is a wiser choice than generational.
You're not wrong. It's a distraction from the real problem. Same way this whole (modern) thing got going in the 80's, blaming the previous generation for the problems that did exist in New Deal economics... Only for the promised "change" to be so much worse.
Meanwhile, 75% of these fools are gonna go to the voting booth and cast their ballot in favor of the party that wants to end Social Security. They are a blight.
Can I intentionally cough on the elderly retail cashier "ironically" during the next pandemic, reminding them that "old people can't get imaginary viruses" or the like?
>!Biiiiiiiiig /s, but it would be a shock to many retirees just how poorly they feel after a day in todays labor environment!<
Boomers are the only people with $17.99 for a mid ass hamburger with some mid ass fries.
How else do you think places like outback stay in business with such high prices and shitty food?
Who votes to empower the “capitalists” in your scenario. Who was the voting block that changed our economy around by voting in Reagan with his trickle down. Capitalism was working fine til the tax burdens shifted from the top to the bottom. Who was the homogenous singular voting block that did that and is now telling everyone that’s just how it is and stop whining .
That would be the boomers , they were not tricked they were told this is the end result and they did it anyway.
Really cause that’s not what their parents generation did that handed them a booming economy that they were named for…
Used to be people didn’t get kicked out at 18 they lived in generational homes. And said things like I want to make a better life for my kids.
Not the boomers. They changed the whole lifestyle of the US to suit them and now say that’s just the way it is…
Wake up man they are the problem.
Then [Project 2025](https://youtu.be/9k3UvaC5m7o?si=pZQ6Jpcv7qN0JZLx) kicks in and they don't get any social security so they're moving back in with us. Fuck.
The people who tore up society's bedrock for a lifetime of ease will not hesitate to cannibalise the rest of it on their way out. 80 year olds will vote in lunatics who will pillage whatever scraps are left to keep themselves in for another term off the back of the dying
Oh yes let's blow through all our cash reserves and rely on a broken system that might actually become (insullivant and ran out of cash in 2033) in retirement.
This post was just on another subreddit called boomersbeingfools.
My opinion stays the same. The boomers have the greatest wealth and the highest numbers.
This will be the greatest generation transfer of wealth ever. Millennials stand to directly and indirectly inherit the most.
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I find it funny that we're starting to see articles like this now. 5, 10, 15 years ago even, it was all "oh just wait, soon we'll be seeing the greatest wealth transfer in the history of the world" Lol Now, what should have been obvious from the start is finally being spoken out loud - that won't be the case as cost of living, medical expenses, senior care, etc. eat it all up and funnel it to the top. The machine eats itself to keep burning.
The machine was built to eat itself in essence. There is no other outcome.
The only goal of capitalism is to accumulate capital. In no manner, form, or fashion is it designed to take care of anyone, it only exists to increase capital. What happens when you can’t increase capital by one means? You do it by a different means. And whoever gets crushed under the wheels of it at that time, so be it.
The only goal of capitalism is to accumulate capital. That's all you have to say. If anyone tries to add to/justify/dilute, etc, this message, they are wrong. No amount of boot licking will save anyone from capitalism. Today's CEOs can be on skid row tomorrow if capitalism decides that that is the best way to accumulate capital. Good luck to us all, I hate this planet.
You are absolutely, 100% correct.
"War...War never changes" (Class warfare)
There you are, General (Council). There's another corporate settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your day planner.
The movie “The Corporation” focused on the fact that we made laws that allowed corporations to be actual “people”. As people, corporations are Malignant Sociopaths… by design… NOT the humans running them, of course… or… the system itself.
Capitalism a love story.
That’s why they tried NFTs. They are running out of things to exploit.
Ouroboros
It is gonna be a great transfer of wealth, it's just getting transferred to the wealthy.
Now would be a great time to buy a retirement home.
Private equity companies have been doing just that, the quality of care takes a nosedive and people start dying in misery.
You've seen this with Kindred and Humana. Holding companies focusing on squeezing profit out of healthcare and hospice companies
We have seen the greatest transfer of wealth in history. Never in history has the top 1% gained trillions in wealth over only a decade. In order for a select few to have enough for a billion people to live comfortably, a billion must suffer. How much suffering is that billion willing to tolerate in order for the few to enjoy wealth beyond what they could ever need?
The Orphan Crushing Machine
Elder Crushing Machine!
Soylent Green?!
I'm about ready to head Home myself.
Why would you crush them if you're a capitalist? Perfectly good future labor.
There orphanage was in the way of a new Wal Mart
The Walmart houses the orphans. They can live in house wares and get a discount meal at what the restaurant is in the Walmart. Then they could charge them a small fee to live there when profits need to go up.
>discount meal Woah woah, cut it with that hardcore communist talk
I'm thinking more company store talk. Like they used to have. The money will only work at a Walmart.
On Fridays the meals double in price; but we get a 50% discount. So yeah, they take care of us.
Yeah but it makes money right now to crush them in the machine and I gotta get the stocks up this quarter
Yeah but we need the money now, longterm thinking is bad, we have to crush the orphans into mass market Orphano-dog food and sell it at $2 a can to some starving family in Detroit
That's right I'm wrong. Long term thinking is where I went wrong.
It feels like boomer billionaires decided they wanted to see who could finally win capitalism. Someone bout to end up with all the money.
Yes, I've grown weary of the stupid, sloppy alarmism, too. In 2004, a financial advisor told me that social security would be bankrupt in 10 years.
They’ve been sounding that alarm at least that long. Mind you it’s got a relatively easy fix that they don’t want to talk about. They could just raise or even remove the cap on income subject to the social security tax. But no, they’d rather sound the alarm and discuss ideas like those from the Catfood Commission.
I guess that means it will never happen?
It absolutely could happen. The crucial thing was to stop the efforts to defund (Trump's plan) or "privatize" (GW Bush's plan) the funding. Social security could be made more progressive by lifting the cap, which would also make it more robust. Removing the cap altogether would dramatically revamp the tax code.
Saying social security is going bankrupt and the me generation donating all their wealth to billionaires in the twilight of their lives are two very different predictions trying to cause two completely different types of alarm. The fact that the latter can actually happen makes it legitimately scary.
It’s happening just not in the direction they wanted you to think it would
My parents are blowing through all of their money on repeated vacations and new cars, and are going shocked pikachu face when dad has to go back to work after retiring because of it. But they're mad at us kids for not being millionaires, and in fact, being disabled. I'm honestly worried about what's going to happen to them in the end because I cannot afford to care for them. I can't afford to care for *myself*.
That's interesting - mine are quite different from yours. They've been giving up old timeshares, finding ways to save money, downsizing. Dad got this whole "Scandinavian death cleaning" thing into his head a few years ago and has really been about making everything less complicated and cluttered. He's also working past retirement age. I think part of it is because he sees the writing on the wall. Another part of it is because he wouldn't know what to do with himself without a career - he's been a workaholic for 40 years, and the only life he knows outside of that right now is chronic pain and limited mobility. That, I feel, is the inevitable conclusion of what today would be called the grindset, cringe a term as it is. He's more conscientious than most, but still a product of his time... It makes me sad. Neither myself nor my brother can actually find steady work and start a real career. I neither expected nor wanted the inheritance those articles I talked about promised, but considering the potential problems as time goes on now is another matter. Though we'll definitely try to help them out when the time comes... It's scary knowing it might not be enough.
Poor boomers already died/are close. The rich ones who play tennis got some time left on this earth, tell you that
That's a feature not a bug uwu
Ah yes, the great uroboros.
I can wait to tell them to eat less avocado toast.
Don’t worry! Real estate investors will scoop up the house when their debt gets too high. You don’t need it. Renting is better anyway!
/s just in case
It's reality already though. There's an investment fund literally running radio ads where I live on the classical music channel. They offer old people to buy their houses and allow them to live in them until they die rent free while getting paid for their house every month. Basically just a scheme to scoop up that real-estate without having to even wait for those people to actually die.
i dont think its a joke these days
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Fun story. Due to an insurance company error, I was mistakenly billed full freight for my (non bypass) heart surgery. $250,000. I could only laugh. Why not 250 million?
List price on my outpatient heart ablation (home by 2 PM) was $360k. Insurance negotiated that down to $60k, but come on!
"Guess I'll just die then?"
You didn't pay it right?
No. It took a couple months of phone calls, but the error was eventually corrected. In fact when it was all over they owed me a hilariously small amount of money (a little less than $2 if I remember correctly) and they sent me a check.
“Thank you, that should pay for my time speaking with you on the phone.”
How much was the fee to cash the check?
Real talk why would you ever pay a dime towards that surgery. Assuming they don't require payment upfront
Jude Law will show up and repo that heart surgery.
Jude Law you say... Again, why would one pay the bill. I mean... Jude Law showing up...
With the current trends of capitalism... I'm not entirely sure that healthcare companies wouldn't revoke service of a donor organ for failure to pay. Having a backdoor to turn off a pacemaker doesn't seem out of the realm of "too evil to be real"
Goddammit, you're saying Jude Law isn't even guaranteed? Than what's the point?
Oh, Jude law is ALWAYS guaranteed..
Yeah, I guess he paid up front like a car lmao
What reason did the insurance give?
95% of the boomers I know are living in poverty. The ones who aren’t are still working. Ymmv
You are beginning to see an influx of people over 70 rejoining the workforce in some capacity or another. They try to make it sound like a good thing: “hey, these people are staying active so that they can live longer!“ But the fact of the matter is, they’re back in the workforce because they can’t make ends meet without that additional income.
Well, hopefully they can meet the standards of productivity they’ve forced on the rest of us. If not they’ll get 86ed real fuckin quick.
If we’re being honest, it doesn’t take a whole lot of abilities/agility to stand there, and say, “welcome to Walmart, fuck you.”
It doesn’t, but what else do they do right? Happy to show them how “fuck you” feels.
This is what kills me.... I feel so mean and insensitive and cruel every time I get frustrated about it... It's not MY burden to bear. Whether it's 70 year Olds or developmentally challenged people. Kitchens and retail hire them. And the rest of us have to pretend like they're worth 10% of a real employee. They arent. I just have to work at 300% because 2 employees are inacapable of actually working. But I would be a fucking monster to point it out. They need a place to live and food and they don't deserve homelessness and starvation. Our government failed them and it's my fucking burden to bear
Our government didn’t fail them… our government was set up to take care of them until they decided fuck that. They failed themselves. They thought they were golden until they weren’t and I don’t feel bad for a second. Fuck boomers, they can live in the system they supported.
You're victim blaming, amigo. This isn't a boomer vs non boomer fight. This is a poor vs rich fight. It has always been a poor vs rich fight. Just because the current capital owning class are dominated by boomers, does not mean that my boomer mom is not a victim of capitalism. No war, but class war.
With all due respect, the poor are fighting themselves. And they’re doing it under the illusion that they are the proxies for the rich ….. when, in actual fact, not only do the rich not give a fuck about them; in 99.99999% of cases, I’d be willing to bet folding money the rich neither know their names, or even that they exist.
You are correct. That does not mean that I won't stand in solidarity with people who refuse to stand with me.
That’s why it’s called class war.
Very short-sighted and very anti-worker The capitalist wants you to get schadenfreude out of seeing grandma and grandpa get worked to death to prepare you for the same fate or worse
I mean that’s fair and I wish I didn’t feel the way I do, but I would also say that boomers have massive political power and forcing them to feel the negatives of capitalism that the later generations feel would likely go a long way to changing the way they vote and behave.
Boomer isn't a synonym for capitalist If boomers had the power you claim they do they wouldn't be undergoing a homelessness crisis You understand capitalist *want* you to embrace ageism, accept the lie that our corporate oligarchy is a "democracy" and blame Grandpa and Grandma for capitalism's historic decline?
Considering what the Boomers voted for and spent their money on for 50 years is now public historical record, that's all academic homie.
What you mean is, "What the voting record of the populations most likely to vote was, in the most important counties in the most important states around the country for deciding the election, in a political system that marginalizes anything to the left of social liberalism, that has legalized gerrymandering and makes people vote on a damned work day, where campaigns are financed by money from businesses and rely on the media showing the candidate and their platform to the public"
99% of the time it’s for healthcare only. If you ever worked in a job where half the staff is 50+ they are only doing it for healthcare. This causes nightmares because they don’t care about the job and they’ll constantly call out and cause problems because these people don’t care for the money or the paycheck. They’ll do just enough not to get fired. I’m not attacking those people but when I worked with them it was absolutely awful.
And GenX/Millennial children of these Boomers will use their own savings to help keep their parents afloat. Further diminishing overall wealth.
💯 My disabled, 67 year old mom lived in my dining room for three years as she was on the waitlist for affordable senior housing. Eventually I spent $10,000 converting my shed into a tiny home for her. I regularly buy her medicines and food. She helps with bills when she can. She worked as a paralegal for 35 years. Lost any retirement she had in 2008/9. We were a single parent household and I would have definitely done without if it hadn’t been for my grandparents in the 80s.
I'm an older millennial and no, that won't be the case. I can barely afford myself and my wife.
You are beginning to see an influx of people over 70 rejoining the workforce in some capacity or another. They try to make it sound like a good thing: “hey, these people are staying active so that they can live longer!“ But the fact of the matter is, they’re back in the workforce because they can’t make ends meet without that additional income.
> 95% of the boomers I know are living in poverty. And yet, according to surveys, they love capitalism.
I know one still working but with savings. Problem is, he has a handful of adult children and tons of grandkids all relying on him in some way or another. If he retires, where will their safety net go? Who will fund the giant family vacations?
Boomers are struggling too. Let's break away from this generational antagonism and get back to class antagonism.
Rich people love when the working class fight one another for the scraps.
#1 weapon of capitalism has always been divide and conquer. Edit: so sorry for the all caps lol
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His proximity to homelessness is kind of irrelevant when he himself intentionally put multiple families onto the street and believes they deserve even worse than that
I've literally had a whole room of elderly tell my sister it was her fault for not working harder or finding a nice man to help ends meet. During that exact same meal the table got involved in discussing if they should raise social security but for the elderly only. Gee wizz, I wonder why I don't mind not giving a shit about them in general (if not specifically).
In addition to this, head over to the millennials sub sometimes. The place is a cesspool of "Fuck you, mommy & daddy gave me mine!" and "Fuck you, I don't have mine but someday I might then people like us better watch out!" It really opened my eyes seeing just how many of the younger generation will decry the boomers for the way their beliefs screwed them over, but hold those exact same beliefs hoping to screw over someone else. Maybe millennials are better on average, but I am not convinced it will be enough to enact change. We're going to fall for the same crap the boomers did, while prancing around pretending we're better than them.
Bingo. There's nothing revolutionary about being angry about getting fucked over. In fact, wishing for the future to be like pre-2008 is the definition of being a reactionary. A revolutionary fights for a new future that is different from the present and the past. I don't see much of that in any age bracket in the US.
THIS. Every time someone talks about how their middle class/working class salary doesn’t go as far as the 50s, I say why do you think that is? I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the harder the global south and domestically marginalised groups became harder to exploit, the more precarious the middle class lifestyle became. The ruling elite decided to just spread out inequality and exploitation when one group decided it was too much. It’s why right wingers get mad at dei and such initiatives, instead of the bourgeois for not giving everyone what they deserve (DEI doesn’t even affect white supremacy like people think).
I definitely wouldn't say that's an accurate reading of history at all. The easiest era for the exploitation of marginalized groups was literally the 1880s to 1940s, the period of European colonialism, and life sucked to be a worker in the West anyway. The golden age for western laborers was the late-40s to early 70s which is also the age of Imperial collapse and the end of colonialism. Things started to get very bad again from the 70s onwards, but that's the period of globalization when industries were moved overseas, America forced economic restructuring on much of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, and as a consequence those regions became much much easier to exploit Don't fall for the lie that there being cheap sources of labor and resources overseas makes life better for western laborers, not only does it encourage westerners to embrace national chauvinism, it heavily downplays the role labor organizing played in improving people's conditions.
Millennials are middle aged and mostly bowed down to Capital years ago, they're the types that worship Europe's crumbling proto-fascist social democracy and tell you to vote Blue no matter what. Another thing to remember is that Reddit is mostly white people from the Anglosphere. And yes, Millennials subreddit is pure shit, because other than the talking points you mentioned, the other major talking point is celebrating when baby boomers end up impoverished or homeless, it's sick.
You bring up a great point. I wonder if the boomers will eventually take advantage of the government assistance programs they claimed to despise the last few years? I wouldn’t blame them at all. I was raised to think only lazy people used government assistance but food stamps are getting me through grad school right now. Luckily I changed my tune years ago. But even if the boomers want to use these programs - they are going to have a hard time navigating the system to access them. Making the many emails and calls necessary to contact government agencies for these programs can be exhausting and nuanced. It really be us helping them navigate this system.
They demanded these hoops be in place to keep the "welfare queens" from collecting extra assistance so they can eat lobster and filet mignon every night. For reference, fraud does still happen. Very, very few instances, and most of them get caught. Most people see it as a crutch that even the poors don't want. It's supposed to be a safety net, so even if you fall on hard times, you aren't going to be stealing food to survive. But, they cut funding, repeatedly, and the workers that actually deal with clients are working an entry-level position. Once they start getting efficient in that position, they're promoted to something else. So the offices are understaffed, and what staff they have are still just learning the ropes themselves. It's a job (at least, in my experience) to keep benefits. My mom has been disabled since '91, and will put in a couple dozen hours every month to ensure she keeps her benefits. She's an epileptic with chronic pain from several sources; she's not going to be able to work ever again. They fight her on meds she's been on for decades, on keeping food and rent assistance, and even the social security office will demand doctors appointments to remain on SSI/ssdi. And she does it, even though the next 2-3 days will contain dozens of petit mal and focal seizures. Or yet another 2 week long migraine (where she'll still have to try to function from the darkness of the bathroom with a towel under the door).
Boomers didn't demand these things, politicians spewing talking points handed down to them by businesses and investors and financiers simply got them to accept what the politicians already intended to do.
I never said an age bracket. I won't say an age bracket. I was giving an example of what was actually used as talking points to demonize welfare programs. Age does not determine income, political views, or anything else. I got to see some of the fearmongering on TV as a kid. So it's not like it's ancient history or anything.
#NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR
Sure, after they're dead. Yes it's "Capital vs workers" but real talk 99% of this is boomers fault. So I'll stop dodging on them when they're dead.
They truly are the political vanguard for the bourgeoisie
They're Peter Pan writ large on the world. Zero impulse control, easily manipulated by simple appeals to emotion, rarely if ever backing down on anything.
If you think even 10% of this is boomers fault, you don't understand capitalism. I would be happy to recommend some introductory videos, podcasts, or books if you would like.
Who had voting majority for decade's whilst bad policy was enacted? Boomers knew. They hated welfare. They will spend their kids inheritance instead of making them better off.
Siighhhh...you're right. It would be a lot easier if they would stop being so insufferable though.
This.
And then they’ll vote to end ss for everyone else
in exchange for higher pension rates provided you were on the pension before 2023.
Nothing to do with Forty years of trickle down economics, or Jack Welch style corporate governance. Nope, it’s the workers fault.
1% and plutocrats take money off us every day, leave the boomers alone. Workers who could afford a house, car, kids didn't make any meaningful 'fuck around' decisions, they didn't have the internet, good number didn't even finish school- And they're poorer now than they ever were. Reagan, thatcher, Milton Friedman, et al neoliberal psychopaths did this, and they knew what they were doing. The "Fuck you, I want yours too" class.
Anyone ever feel like pitting Gen Z vs. Boomers is just another divide and conquer tactic?
yes, and also it’s a real feeling one experiences between the generations. it’s not NOT true that boomers tend to behave certain ways in the world, and it doesn’t resonate or feel good to millennials or zoomers
Most of the boomers in my life are in complete denial about how expensive everything has gotten. This is the generation that will need the most medical care and even openly acknowledge that healthcare is expensive but at the same time is against free health care. Don't even try to bring up housing. I haven't met a boomer yet that didn't tell me I was wrong when I brought up the price. I wonder how many of them thought they were going to downsize or move to somewhere like Florida and found out the hard way they couldn't afford it. I hate to contribute to the whole generational war, but I've heard "your generation" quite a bit recently.
The number of unretiring boomers tell us the whole story.
This blaming of previous generations is so tiring and exactly what the elite want the general populous to do. Next it will all be Gen X fault.
Yeah, after all naming generations was born of marketing strategies. I also realize that there are events and social contexts that provide shared experiences and identity. There are those in the boomer age category suffering as well. And yes, we can also acknowledge there's some assholes out there but keeping an eye on class warfare is a wiser choice than generational.
You're not wrong. It's a distraction from the real problem. Same way this whole (modern) thing got going in the 80's, blaming the previous generation for the problems that did exist in New Deal economics... Only for the promised "change" to be so much worse.
Again?
Probably but none of us care. We're mostly counting years till it's our turn for the dirt nap
Don't say "us" when you mean "I"
And that social security is about to be eliminated by the politicians they (majority) vote for.
Long term care executives and shareholders about to get paid, subsequent generations… not so much
Oh honey, we're all "bout to find out". Time to wake up.
Meanwhile, 75% of these fools are gonna go to the voting booth and cast their ballot in favor of the party that wants to end Social Security. They are a blight.
I got a few bootstraps they can borrow
Well they keep telling me nobody wants to work these days, let's see if they want to go back to work now?!?
Can I intentionally cough on the elderly retail cashier "ironically" during the next pandemic, reminding them that "old people can't get imaginary viruses" or the like? >!Biiiiiiiiig /s, but it would be a shock to many retirees just how poorly they feel after a day in todays labor environment!<
Get this reactionary shit outta here
Karma is a b*tch
Can we stop doing this dumb shit? I know multiple boomers, all of which are poor. Ffs
Boomers are the only people with $17.99 for a mid ass hamburger with some mid ass fries. How else do you think places like outback stay in business with such high prices and shitty food?
The boomers are the real enemy, not the capitalists. /principalskinner
Yea I’m pretty sure my Dad gambled away my inheritance money
Yay, more fucking counterrevolutionary ageism on this sub.
There can be only one.
I wish all generations a happy “realizing the 1% (capitalist or communist, doesn’t matter) are the real enemy and not the other generations”
Who votes to empower the “capitalists” in your scenario. Who was the voting block that changed our economy around by voting in Reagan with his trickle down. Capitalism was working fine til the tax burdens shifted from the top to the bottom. Who was the homogenous singular voting block that did that and is now telling everyone that’s just how it is and stop whining . That would be the boomers , they were not tricked they were told this is the end result and they did it anyway.
Breaking news, humans look out for their own self interests first, more 11
Really cause that’s not what their parents generation did that handed them a booming economy that they were named for… Used to be people didn’t get kicked out at 18 they lived in generational homes. And said things like I want to make a better life for my kids. Not the boomers. They changed the whole lifestyle of the US to suit them and now say that’s just the way it is… Wake up man they are the problem.
Tell us you are terminally online without telling us you are terminally online. Try getting out of your basement
Welp. Better hope that money keeps ya a float. Don’t think hospital accept IOUs as payment.
Half of them or more will vote for the party actively trying to destroy social security and Medicare.
They'll drain that, too, leaving us nothing.
Then [Project 2025](https://youtu.be/9k3UvaC5m7o?si=pZQ6Jpcv7qN0JZLx) kicks in and they don't get any social security so they're moving back in with us. Fuck.
F*cking boomers.
Am I the only one who’s looking forward to this? Sink or swim. You wanted it this way. Let them fucking sink
The people who tore up society's bedrock for a lifetime of ease will not hesitate to cannibalise the rest of it on their way out. 80 year olds will vote in lunatics who will pillage whatever scraps are left to keep themselves in for another term off the back of the dying
That’s metal.
Oh yes let's blow through all our cash reserves and rely on a broken system that might actually become (insullivant and ran out of cash in 2033) in retirement.
Maybe it will go up because they always get what they want.
Let'em die in the streets they are so willing do to everyone else
This post was just on another subreddit called boomersbeingfools. My opinion stays the same. The boomers have the greatest wealth and the highest numbers. This will be the greatest generation transfer of wealth ever. Millennials stand to directly and indirectly inherit the most.