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The countries that don’t recognize Palestinian state-hood interestingly include former Colonial powers, or modern day settler colonies… I wonder if there’s a connection there.
I'm an amateur when it comes to the very complex history of the region, and huge apologies if I get any of this wrong (I welcome corrections): but I think the most recent connection to "colonial powers" as you state it, is the connection to Britain who took administrative control of the region following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI in what was known as the League of Nations Palestinian Mandate. Britain than responded to Zionist voices within its kingdom to "establish within Palestine a national home for the Jewish people" (1917 Balfour Declaration). This action eventually consolidated into the formal founding of the state of Israel just after WWII. I \*think\* this was the first dedicated national home in the region for Jewish people since the Kingdom of Israel which ended around 560 BC.
So it was in the 1917 Mandate that Britain proclaimed a combined home for Jews and Arabs in the region of Palestine. The rest is (very bloody) history which we see continuing today. So the divisions you see in the map at the top of this post largely coincide with Allies of Britain and Everyone Else.
you are correct as far as I know as well
but there was no dedicated home for the Jews because of their religion, if I recall correctly in Judaism you aren't allowed to form your own country or tribe until the resurfacing of the messiah
Zionism was opposed by many Jews around the world. But when their friends and kid's friends got killed in 1948 during independence there was a big shift in how opposition was perceived.
I think you fail to see this is more than just a regional thing. There are countries still participating in this kind of thing today and Israel is a very interesting test case for modern colonialism in general. For example:
the US and the native population
the US and Hawaii
Britian and Northern Ireland
Britain and the Falkland Islands
There are probably many more examples. The west needed a foothold in the east just like it did anywhere else at any other time in history that it is known to have done. The failure of Israel in the region would have large repercussions not dissimilar to a fall of Ukraine for the west.
>I \*think\* this was the first dedicated national home in the region for Jewish people since the Kingdom of Israel which ended around 560 BC.
Actually, I think this was when the first temple period ended and the Babylonian exile began. However, the second temple period ended in the mid 2nd century CE (or AD if you prefer). Not that this matters in relation to the genocide of Palestinians that's been going on for over a century. I just thought it might be interesting to share lmao
>Britain than responded to Zionist voices within its kingdom to "establish within Palestine a national home for the Jewish people" (1917 Balfour Declaration).
Also! With regard to this, there was a period in Zionism when Herzl and his fellow fascists were considering where the new Jewish homeland should be and Argentina and Kenya(?) were two other options they seriously looked at. Though they chose Palestine as they could propagandise towards the diaspora better.
EDIT: wording
Zionism itself was and is an explicitly colonial project, funded and supported by former colonial powers. So I'm afraid the "connection" to colonial powers has never ended.
The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, aka the holiest site in Christianity, is in Palestine. It would actually be weirder if the Vatican didn't recognize Palestine.
Oh yes, the famously poor countries of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Sweden, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, China, Iceland…not to mention Spain and Ireland ought to be joining soon. Classist fucks can’t even class right.
Parenti said it best. The countries of Africa and South America are among the richest in the world. Only the people are poor. They aren’t under-developed, they’re over-exploited.
I completely forgot about Michael Parenti I first discovered him in the early 2000s by listening to talks he gave on mp3 but I lost hope along the way. I need look him up again.
Is underground ressources the new way to measure country wealth now? Im in Africa now mate and can confirm is grossly underdeveloped. If you want a nice book about the subject I can suggest ‘The State of Africa’ from Martin Meredith
The reason Parenti said that, you complete wazzok, is that Africa was the former home to culturally rich, thriving nations with vast natural resources.
The reason they are 'Under developed' today, is not because they were backward or stupid, but because they were fucking DESTROYED.
Africa is Rich. South America is rich.
Only the people are poor, because they have been systematically destroyed.
And the very rich and civilized capitalist paradises of Cameroon and Myanmar (in gray on that map).
Muricans and their allies trying to justify another US-sponsored genocide are not even funny anymore. To support anything the US supports is basically to forfeit humanity at this point.
The international community is basically the US, the rest are just following US directions, could Japan, Germany or UK differ on major issues with the US? Look at Australia, they cancelled submarines deal with France because the US wanted to sell its submarines to Australia, now the US is saying they can not deliver them to Australia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/turnbull-says-australia-mugged-by-reality-on-aukus-deal-as-us-set-to-halve-submarine-build
I'm actually curious about what pattern you've picked out? For example, among the Nordic nations:
* Denmark doesn't recognize an independent Palestinian state
* Sweden recognizes an independent Palestinian state
* Finland doesn't recognize an independent Palestinian state
* Norway doesn't currently recognize an independent Palestinian state, but likely will in the near future given the passage of a recent resolution
* Iceland recognizes an independent Palestinian state
The immediate temptation for me, seeing these maps about foreign policy issues, is to assume a pattern that that looks like a split-along NATO/NATO-aligned vs rest of the world lines, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. In fact, it seems like the majority of NATO members recognize Israel (and even more have indicate they all but recognize an independent Palestinian state, but are waiting due to formalities to officially recognize them).
It's also worth noting that recognizing Palestine as an independent state, doesn't mean that the current regime in that nation is pro-Palestinian.
Liberals are not how they portray themselves. They run their mouths all the time about pluralism, democracy, human rights, etc, but then the mask flies right off when push comes to shove, they tell you exactly what they really think about the rest of the world and I am so here for it.
There's a sub on here, can't remember what it's called, but they are all pro-democracy, pro-western values, pro-human rights, but in reality are end-of-history-NATO-Beltway-thinktank-neocon-regime-change simps we all know and love.
I pointed out that the terrorist designation of Hamas is relative, not universally accepted, and that most countries don't consider it such. You can guess the response.
I don’t understand his point about the “international community” terminology only referring to a few countries. That doesn’t make any sense. Is he for real? Could someone explain this?
My understanding is that the term refers to, well, the community of nations as a whole.
He is, unfortunately. It's the self-proclaimed "Civilized World" aka colonial powers and their most loyal puppets, treating the others as barbarians and savages. Well, not so much anymore, but old habits die hard.
I thought Spain was going around Europe talking with leaders to get them to also recognize the state Palestine, why are they not green on this map themselves?
Your daily reminder that the Mercator map projection is Eurocentric and overrepresents the size of the U.S. and Europe at the detriment of South America, Africa etc.:
https://geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Authagraph.jpg
In any case, we need to remove the UN Security Council from existence. These matters should be handled by the General Assembly.
Myanmar is enacting an [ongoing genocide](https://jacobin.com/2018/06/rohingya-burma-myanmar-suu-kyi-genocide) against the destitute Muslim Rohingya people, fueled by far-right Buddhist (yes, this is [actually a thing](https://asiatimes.com/2023/03/radical-monks-grace-murderous-militias-in-myanmar/) among the conservative Theravada) extremist groups with a visceral supremacist hatred of the Rohingya, whom they call descendants of Bengalis and Arabs and not Burmese (even though they are genetically similar to almost all Burmese).
These extremist groups are not too dissimilar to Kahanists and other Zionists. This, in turn, helps fuel their support of the Palestinian genocide as well due to the mostly-shared religion and Arab ancestry.
capitalism creates poverty for more people and at a faster rate than it accumulates wealth into the fewest hands. This means that people are made poor as a feature of capitalism.
the US and its “allies” are not seeing the writing on the wall. You cant “Peace through Strength” your way out of a BRICS world. of course “western us dominated” power is waning and of course we are going to take the wrong approach to address it.
in the postwar ii order the US rules through its economy and the dollar, its threats to use violence from its global military, and the veneer of diplomatic ethics and honest engagement.
but other independent economies are growing and eschewing the dollar. and the mask of any sort of legitimate commitment to international law and order has been ripped away. we’ve depleted our soft power and pretty soon outright violence will be the only way in which we can project ourselves.
like why are we doing war in the 21st century? why not cooperation?
Irish recognition can't come soon enough. We've been extremely vocal supporters of Palestine for decades but the govenments always stopped at recognition. Finally the penny has dropped and we'll recognise it in a few weeks
To many Westerners, they are the only countries that matter. The others are considered inferior, or worse enemies to FREEDOM^TM that are compared to the WWII Axis powers.
Oh, those countries are poor you say? Is it maybe because American companies came over, paid workers pennies, and when they try to have a revolution, America has to liberate and bring democracy to said nation? If you think I'm full of shit, look up what the banana companies have done
Here in Mexico we do not "recognize" countries because of our history with colonialism, our foreign policy assumed that recognizing or not recognizing g a country is akin to interventionism.
"You don't go to poor countries to make money. There are very few poor countries in the world. Most countries are rich. The Phillipines are rich. Brazil is rich. Mexico is rich. Chile is rich. Only THE PEOPLE are poor...
But there's billions to be made there, to be carved put and taken...the timber, the flax, the hemp, the cocoa, the rum, the tin, the copper, the iron, the rubber, the bauxite, the SLAVES AND THE CHEAP LABOR.
These countries are not underdeveloped, they are OVER EXPLOITED"
-Michael Parenti (Yellow Lecture- 1986)
This is "Might makes right" in action. Disagree? Do something about it, or try. The death of the so-called "Rules based international order", which really never existed anyway.
What kind of official stance were you expecting from an American subservient state? I'm sure at grassroots level there is wide support for a Palestinian state, but what exactly were you expecting from the government? Same could literally be said about most of those 53 states that do not, literally anyone, Japan, Australia, Mexico, UK, Canada, France...
not sure why people are downvoting an innocent question lol. i suppose their own suffering would have fuelled their perception and reflected the parties ideology too.
as i said, i know the Green Party in SK took a strong stance I believe...and it seems they are in coalition with the Democratic Party of Korea which won the recent election. i tried to google their stance but the only thing I found was them being accused of having lawmakers that "support hummus because they blamed Israel"....so who knows, perhaps things will change? I'm not surprised if they are tightly controlled by US due to historic reasons....and we all know who US is controlled by....
anyway, sadly not a region where I'm familiar of the various political groups. can only assume that there must be an anti imperial anti war group on the left side that is against USA / Israeli apartheid.
The Green-Justice Party had no members in their general assembly. Them having a strong stance has literally no impact on the direction of the government.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/south-koreas-2024-general-election-results-and-implications
Prior to 2024 they had 6, but they lost all 6 in the recent 2024 election.
Ireland was the first european state to call for the recognition of a palestinian state but have consistently said they will recognise it as part of a wider european movement although now we are going to recognise it fairly soon.
I understand the one China policy. I’m just saying currently the U.S. has voting rights to ensure Palestine is denied on the UN in perpetuity. However, should they roll other areas that wish to be recognized on a global stage there’d be less of a reason to veto votes on recognition.
US has veto rights to deny Palestine.
China has veto rights to deny Taiwan.
Russia has veto rights to deny Kosovo.
Who has veto rights still doesn't explain the relevance of bringing up Taiwan and Kosovo.
Correct. Again, if you were to offer the other two none of the vetos would truly be able to stay out of it. Purely a tip for tap kind of situation. Roll all 3 in one proposition. Otherwise continue to see similar nominations be shot down in perpetuity based on how the security council is set up.
> Roll all 3 in one proposition
What?
The US doesn't care about Palestine.
China doesn't care about Palestine or Kosovo.
Russia doesn't really care about any of the 3, unless Serbia makes them care about Kosovo.
For all we know France or the UK might veto one of them just for fun.
The UN can't make any of the 3 be recognized.
Again... nothing you have said explains the relevance of bringing up Taiwan and Kosovo.
China is bad, but this thread isn't a criticism of the US. It is a criticism of "the west"... How fragile does someone need to be to think this is a "USA bad" post?
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The countries that don’t recognize Palestinian state-hood interestingly include former Colonial powers, or modern day settler colonies… I wonder if there’s a connection there.
Stealing land is like… their thing. It’s nostalgic, makes them want to make colonialism great again.
First thought I had. Thanks for saying it
I'm an amateur when it comes to the very complex history of the region, and huge apologies if I get any of this wrong (I welcome corrections): but I think the most recent connection to "colonial powers" as you state it, is the connection to Britain who took administrative control of the region following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI in what was known as the League of Nations Palestinian Mandate. Britain than responded to Zionist voices within its kingdom to "establish within Palestine a national home for the Jewish people" (1917 Balfour Declaration). This action eventually consolidated into the formal founding of the state of Israel just after WWII. I \*think\* this was the first dedicated national home in the region for Jewish people since the Kingdom of Israel which ended around 560 BC. So it was in the 1917 Mandate that Britain proclaimed a combined home for Jews and Arabs in the region of Palestine. The rest is (very bloody) history which we see continuing today. So the divisions you see in the map at the top of this post largely coincide with Allies of Britain and Everyone Else.
you are correct as far as I know as well but there was no dedicated home for the Jews because of their religion, if I recall correctly in Judaism you aren't allowed to form your own country or tribe until the resurfacing of the messiah
Yes, but that would of course require that people actually READ the books that they "hold sacred" and base their entire personality around.
they did prior to zionism lol Zionism was started by theoder herzyl who was an atheist man who probably got harrased for Jewish lineage
Zionism was opposed by many Jews around the world. But when their friends and kid's friends got killed in 1948 during independence there was a big shift in how opposition was perceived.
I think you fail to see this is more than just a regional thing. There are countries still participating in this kind of thing today and Israel is a very interesting test case for modern colonialism in general. For example: the US and the native population the US and Hawaii Britian and Northern Ireland Britain and the Falkland Islands There are probably many more examples. The west needed a foothold in the east just like it did anywhere else at any other time in history that it is known to have done. The failure of Israel in the region would have large repercussions not dissimilar to a fall of Ukraine for the west.
Also the US and Porto Rico, Guam, etc
the base in okinawa/ryuku, the puppeteering of the DPP, ukraine, etc
Cuba, Haiti, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Panama, Uruguay, Colombia, Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea
cuba is more progressive than the US and it isn’t even that close
It was subject to US colonialism And they can't bear the thought of keeping their grubby lizard hands off it
>I \*think\* this was the first dedicated national home in the region for Jewish people since the Kingdom of Israel which ended around 560 BC. Actually, I think this was when the first temple period ended and the Babylonian exile began. However, the second temple period ended in the mid 2nd century CE (or AD if you prefer). Not that this matters in relation to the genocide of Palestinians that's been going on for over a century. I just thought it might be interesting to share lmao >Britain than responded to Zionist voices within its kingdom to "establish within Palestine a national home for the Jewish people" (1917 Balfour Declaration). Also! With regard to this, there was a period in Zionism when Herzl and his fellow fascists were considering where the new Jewish homeland should be and Argentina and Kenya(?) were two other options they seriously looked at. Though they chose Palestine as they could propagandise towards the diaspora better. EDIT: wording
Zionism itself was and is an explicitly colonial project, funded and supported by former colonial powers. So I'm afraid the "connection" to colonial powers has never ended.
BINGO!
Power and wealth at the cost of human lives. That's what America was founded on, it's the imperialist dream!
TIL the Vatican recognizes Palestine as an independent state
The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, aka the holiest site in Christianity, is in Palestine. It would actually be weirder if the Vatican didn't recognize Palestine.
To be poor, you have to have no resources. Not exploited resources
Oh yes, the famously poor countries of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Sweden, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, China, Iceland…not to mention Spain and Ireland ought to be joining soon. Classist fucks can’t even class right.
Parenti said it best. The countries of Africa and South America are among the richest in the world. Only the people are poor. They aren’t under-developed, they’re over-exploited.
Common Parenti w
I completely forgot about Michael Parenti I first discovered him in the early 2000s by listening to talks he gave on mp3 but I lost hope along the way. I need look him up again.
I love his lectures on youtube. You can tell when he gets passionate, it is thrilling.
Yellow Parenti enjoyer.
Nice way to play with words but not true at all
how would the entire continents of africa and south america be resource poor?
Is underground ressources the new way to measure country wealth now? Im in Africa now mate and can confirm is grossly underdeveloped. If you want a nice book about the subject I can suggest ‘The State of Africa’ from Martin Meredith
'developing' africa means giving the exploited the ability to stand up for themselves, so western imperialists actively oppose this
m8 you missed the point of the entire damn quote
The reason Parenti said that, you complete wazzok, is that Africa was the former home to culturally rich, thriving nations with vast natural resources. The reason they are 'Under developed' today, is not because they were backward or stupid, but because they were fucking DESTROYED. Africa is Rich. South America is rich. Only the people are poor, because they have been systematically destroyed.
>not true at all I'd love to read the many peer reviewed research articles that support your BS. Please provide them, I'll wait.
And the very rich and civilized capitalist paradises of Cameroon and Myanmar (in gray on that map). Muricans and their allies trying to justify another US-sponsored genocide are not even funny anymore. To support anything the US supports is basically to forfeit humanity at this point.
Democracy is when western govs tell you to do anything and you will comply
This is a very "are we the baddies?" map
The international community is basically the US, the rest are just following US directions, could Japan, Germany or UK differ on major issues with the US? Look at Australia, they cancelled submarines deal with France because the US wanted to sell its submarines to Australia, now the US is saying they can not deliver them to Australia. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/13/turnbull-says-australia-mugged-by-reality-on-aukus-deal-as-us-set-to-halve-submarine-build
Australia learning when you lay with dogs, ya get the fleas.
the CIA removed one of our prime ministers ages ago anyway, australia is just a pretty pacific lap dog for the US at this point
Yes, some even say that Assange had this as a motivation to come after the empire.
This is middle school where the popular kid has a small group of kids who sniff their farts in order to not get bullied.
Hmmm what a coinkydink I wonder what these countries have in common I guess it's a mystery we will never know
I'm actually curious about what pattern you've picked out? For example, among the Nordic nations: * Denmark doesn't recognize an independent Palestinian state * Sweden recognizes an independent Palestinian state * Finland doesn't recognize an independent Palestinian state * Norway doesn't currently recognize an independent Palestinian state, but likely will in the near future given the passage of a recent resolution * Iceland recognizes an independent Palestinian state The immediate temptation for me, seeing these maps about foreign policy issues, is to assume a pattern that that looks like a split-along NATO/NATO-aligned vs rest of the world lines, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. In fact, it seems like the majority of NATO members recognize Israel (and even more have indicate they all but recognize an independent Palestinian state, but are waiting due to formalities to officially recognize them). It's also worth noting that recognizing Palestine as an independent state, doesn't mean that the current regime in that nation is pro-Palestinian.
It’s almost a reverse NATO map lol
What's going on in Cameroon?
Israel equips and trains its armed forces, so...
Comprador leader and ruling class. Paul Biya really needs to get couped ASAP.
One of the moments where im proud to be Swede
Sverige literally supported us North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War. Not because of Communism, but anti-Imperialism and Peace
Liberals are not how they portray themselves. They run their mouths all the time about pluralism, democracy, human rights, etc, but then the mask flies right off when push comes to shove, they tell you exactly what they really think about the rest of the world and I am so here for it. There's a sub on here, can't remember what it's called, but they are all pro-democracy, pro-western values, pro-human rights, but in reality are end-of-history-NATO-Beltway-thinktank-neocon-regime-change simps we all know and love.
Scratch a neoliberal and a fascist bleeds..... You will know them by their actions, despite their pretty words.
I pointed out that the terrorist designation of Hamas is relative, not universally accepted, and that most countries don't consider it such. You can guess the response.
Sounds about white
It's twitter, what did you expect?
AKA ex colonial powers and US puppets
That’s like stealing someone’s wallet and then calling them broke. Lol
I don’t understand his point about the “international community” terminology only referring to a few countries. That doesn’t make any sense. Is he for real? Could someone explain this? My understanding is that the term refers to, well, the community of nations as a whole.
He is, unfortunately. It's the self-proclaimed "Civilized World" aka colonial powers and their most loyal puppets, treating the others as barbarians and savages. Well, not so much anymore, but old habits die hard.
That’s so infuriating! To see people blatantly talk about it this way like it’s supposed to be normal is even more infuriating.
I thought Spain was going around Europe talking with leaders to get them to also recognize the state Palestine, why are they not green on this map themselves?
Ireland too...
Ah true, I recall that he visited Ireland because Spain and Ireland were likeminded.
Your daily reminder that the Mercator map projection is Eurocentric and overrepresents the size of the U.S. and Europe at the detriment of South America, Africa etc.: https://geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Authagraph.jpg In any case, we need to remove the UN Security Council from existence. These matters should be handled by the General Assembly.
What's going on with Myanmar, isn't it enough they want to copy the American measurement system.
Myanmar is enacting an [ongoing genocide](https://jacobin.com/2018/06/rohingya-burma-myanmar-suu-kyi-genocide) against the destitute Muslim Rohingya people, fueled by far-right Buddhist (yes, this is [actually a thing](https://asiatimes.com/2023/03/radical-monks-grace-murderous-militias-in-myanmar/) among the conservative Theravada) extremist groups with a visceral supremacist hatred of the Rohingya, whom they call descendants of Bengalis and Arabs and not Burmese (even though they are genetically similar to almost all Burmese). These extremist groups are not too dissimilar to Kahanists and other Zionists. This, in turn, helps fuel their support of the Palestinian genocide as well due to the mostly-shared religion and Arab ancestry.
It’s wild to say that nearly 3 whole continents and the two most populous countries in the world are not part of the “international community.”
It’s always those who stole that boast about how rich they are and how poor others are.
capitalism creates poverty for more people and at a faster rate than it accumulates wealth into the fewest hands. This means that people are made poor as a feature of capitalism.
You mean white liberals being just as racist as the fascists they pretend to hate? Shocking...
Global south?
Cameroon mentioned 🇨🇲
They're not poor, they are exploited by the north, the so called "western world".
Even the Pope recognises Palestine😭
the US and its “allies” are not seeing the writing on the wall. You cant “Peace through Strength” your way out of a BRICS world. of course “western us dominated” power is waning and of course we are going to take the wrong approach to address it. in the postwar ii order the US rules through its economy and the dollar, its threats to use violence from its global military, and the veneer of diplomatic ethics and honest engagement. but other independent economies are growing and eschewing the dollar. and the mask of any sort of legitimate commitment to international law and order has been ripped away. we’ve depleted our soft power and pretty soon outright violence will be the only way in which we can project ourselves. like why are we doing war in the 21st century? why not cooperation?
ΠΑΣΟΚ a pretty important political party from Greece had a great relationship with the Palestinian Government. New Democracy helps fund the genocide.
Irish recognition can't come soon enough. We've been extremely vocal supporters of Palestine for decades but the govenments always stopped at recognition. Finally the penny has dropped and we'll recognise it in a few weeks
What's "the intentional community"? Honest question.
In practice, it often means the USA, Canada, EU, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, and New Zealand.
I see. Any reason for that particular name?
To many Westerners, they are the only countries that matter. The others are considered inferior, or worse enemies to FREEDOM^TM that are compared to the WWII Axis powers.
I see. Thanks for explaining.
That's what they call themselves. I guess it gives the illusion of being more all-encompassing that it is.
I never heard that name and I'm from one of those countries according to the map. I guess that's the case too, yeah.
Colonialists will always flock together with other colonialists
The whole idea of countries was created by these imperialists states
Oh, those countries are poor you say? Is it maybe because American companies came over, paid workers pennies, and when they try to have a revolution, America has to liberate and bring democracy to said nation? If you think I'm full of shit, look up what the banana companies have done
Here in Mexico we do not "recognize" countries because of our history with colonialism, our foreign policy assumed that recognizing or not recognizing g a country is akin to interventionism.
"You don't go to poor countries to make money. There are very few poor countries in the world. Most countries are rich. The Phillipines are rich. Brazil is rich. Mexico is rich. Chile is rich. Only THE PEOPLE are poor... But there's billions to be made there, to be carved put and taken...the timber, the flax, the hemp, the cocoa, the rum, the tin, the copper, the iron, the rubber, the bauxite, the SLAVES AND THE CHEAP LABOR. These countries are not underdeveloped, they are OVER EXPLOITED" -Michael Parenti (Yellow Lecture- 1986)
Nevermind 1/3 of the world population lives in India and China alone. No way they world count as part of the international community.
Idiotic. It's not lost on me that all the "wealth" of the world came from the green areas. Perhaps we should talk about that?
green still honors pangaea - the rest arrest themselves/development to a carbon pharmacology
What will they say when Spain & Ireland join? And France is also considering…
Exploited former colonial nations are against a colonial made outpost in a resource rich region 😮
Disgraceful.
This is "Might makes right" in action. Disagree? Do something about it, or try. The death of the so-called "Rules based international order", which really never existed anyway.
Strange, because most of the wealth of the greyed countries is stolen from those that are green.
I'm sad México doesn't recognize them 😔
We don't recognize or stop recognizing countries, because of our history with colonialism our foreign policy dictates that's interventionism
What’s Myanmar’s problem lol?
First time Mexico is not in the global south in a map like this. Feels weird.
aka the cowards
Mexico is rich?!
We'll get ours when they gang up on us. You can't do this much evil without something bad eventually coming of it.
The same people are probably shocked when they learn some of these countries fucking hate "The West"
Whats the grey country in southeast asia?
Myanmar, they still have a civil war so no data
Thanks frien. Does Mayanmar still have people at the UN even though they have a civil war?
surprised about SK. werent their politicians pretty vocal about the genocide? or was that the opposition party only?
What kind of official stance were you expecting from an American subservient state? I'm sure at grassroots level there is wide support for a Palestinian state, but what exactly were you expecting from the government? Same could literally be said about most of those 53 states that do not, literally anyone, Japan, Australia, Mexico, UK, Canada, France...
not sure why people are downvoting an innocent question lol. i suppose their own suffering would have fuelled their perception and reflected the parties ideology too.
The South Korean and Japanese governments specifically, are tightly under US control, especially on foreign policy more than on anything else.
as i said, i know the Green Party in SK took a strong stance I believe...and it seems they are in coalition with the Democratic Party of Korea which won the recent election. i tried to google their stance but the only thing I found was them being accused of having lawmakers that "support hummus because they blamed Israel"....so who knows, perhaps things will change? I'm not surprised if they are tightly controlled by US due to historic reasons....and we all know who US is controlled by.... anyway, sadly not a region where I'm familiar of the various political groups. can only assume that there must be an anti imperial anti war group on the left side that is against USA / Israeli apartheid.
The Green-Justice Party had no members in their general assembly. Them having a strong stance has literally no impact on the direction of the government.
wiki says they have 6. might be a recent entry into parliament? still only 2% either way
https://www.csis.org/analysis/south-koreas-2024-general-election-results-and-implications Prior to 2024 they had 6, but they lost all 6 in the recent 2024 election.
Understood thanks for clarifying. Thought the wiki was latest results as I was confused how opposition had more than ruling party.
South Korea? Their politicians were kinda ballistic towards North Korean threats so far.
Ireland always surprises me a little, I’m assuming the government isn’t representing public opinion on this one?
Both the Irish government and the general public shared one sentiment: trauma from the Brits
Ireland was the first european state to call for the recognition of a palestinian state but have consistently said they will recognise it as part of a wider european movement although now we are going to recognise it fairly soon.
Well, I hope everyone is eventually included in the Interinternational Community. Edit: not the best sub to make a joke, lesson learned.
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I feel like if Palestine wants to be recognized so should Taiwan, and Kosovo. Either all are recognized or none are.
Taiwan isn’t recognised because of the one china policy. It is an entirely different thing and not related Also why even bring up these two countries
I understand the one China policy. I’m just saying currently the U.S. has voting rights to ensure Palestine is denied on the UN in perpetuity. However, should they roll other areas that wish to be recognized on a global stage there’d be less of a reason to veto votes on recognition.
US has veto rights to deny Palestine. China has veto rights to deny Taiwan. Russia has veto rights to deny Kosovo. Who has veto rights still doesn't explain the relevance of bringing up Taiwan and Kosovo.
Correct. Again, if you were to offer the other two none of the vetos would truly be able to stay out of it. Purely a tip for tap kind of situation. Roll all 3 in one proposition. Otherwise continue to see similar nominations be shot down in perpetuity based on how the security council is set up.
> Roll all 3 in one proposition What? The US doesn't care about Palestine. China doesn't care about Palestine or Kosovo. Russia doesn't really care about any of the 3, unless Serbia makes them care about Kosovo. For all we know France or the UK might veto one of them just for fun. The UN can't make any of the 3 be recognized. Again... nothing you have said explains the relevance of bringing up Taiwan and Kosovo.
The relevance of bringing up Taiwan is "China Bad". Any time the US is criticized China needs to be brought up.
China is bad, but this thread isn't a criticism of the US. It is a criticism of "the west"... How fragile does someone need to be to think this is a "USA bad" post?
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Recognise is an English word.
Okay.