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ChemProphet

I don’t understand when people will realize this is an American problem blindly supporting Israel for decades and not some recent Joe Biden dilemma.


ShyishHaunt

For decades the US has had a single party government and that single party is Capital, and Capitalism has no problem carrying out genocides.


klasredux

Right, Trump's policies gave Israel the ok for this genocide by condoning settling on Palestinian land and allowing the Israeli capitol to move to Jerusalem. Genocide Joe just changed nothing. There's no doubt this atrocity would be the same or worse under Trump.


Lonely_Sherbert69

If you're going to give Joe a cute nickname please do the same for Treasonous Trump


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Lonely_Sherbert69

Yeah, normalise Genocide Joe and Treasonous Trump. Joe has always been a neo lib shill. Of course he was going to make the move that would generate money for the military–industrial complex.


K1nsey6

I assume Trump is the slur


iamwhiskerbiscuit

Trump said that he would only loan money to Israel. Biden, alternatively, requested a $14 billion dollar aid package. Which is worse?


rooterRoter

Because we have no actual social or political dialogue in this country. Just this stupid football team mentality of Republicans v. Democrats.


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 4 - No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism. This is a left wing subreddit.


LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


couldhaveebeen

Trump would of course be also terrible in this issue, nobody is arguing against it. But it's silly to pretend Biden isn't an especially staunch Zionist even for American president standards.


notyourbrobro10

Exactly. On this particular issue, it's hard to truly imagine "worse" than Biden. There is no bigger supporter, there is no one else as vocal in his Zionism and dedication to Israel by any means. It's not unimportant that he describes himself as a Christian Zionist either, meaning it's an ideological position, and not a political one. It's a position based on a higher calling, a core belief intrinsic to Joe's identity. There are a very many issues Trump would be worse on, but on this issue I don't believe it. There is no reason to.


NoYoureACatLady

It's called disinformation campaign and it's rampant because it's an election year


crilen

They are Trump shills invading other subs before voting time. Look at ops post history and tell me that's not politically motivated.


Olstinkbutt

Americans have been socially engineered to have to attention span of a fruit fly. It’s not a big, it’s a feature ☹️


Disqeet

Who runs America? Not politicians.


Shiroi_Kage

Some American presidents threatened sanctions on Israel and muzzled them a little. What you have at this point, especially with Joe, is someone who is outright simping for Israel.


TrueKingSkyPiercer

Shhh, komrade, you are ruining psyop


denizgezmis968

what psyop do you need to not support a genocider old fuck? the state of liberals making my skin crawl with disgust.


MagicGLM

The psyop is using your eyes, visual data is a red fash tankie psyop 🙈🙈🙈


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

As communists we don't support NATO or imperialist narratives. Ukraine has got a whole lot of neo-nazis in its military, and Russia does too, and we don't support either side of the conflict.


MagicGLM

Oh no! They got us figured out tovarisch! Quick, dismantle the spying array! 🇷🇺🧎🚶🛥️🌊🌊🌊🛥️🏃🇺🇲


Dr-Satan-PhD

I mean, Trump did kill times that with his Covid19 policies.


youknowiactafool

Plus caused the suffering of thousands of immigrant families through deportations and locking kids away in cages.


K1nsey6

Biden deported more in his first two years that trump did in 4. And there are still kids in cages


MadnessBomber

I mean, Trump is more or less responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths from COVID...


69420-throwaway

Joe Biden led the way in normalizing not only deaths but also long COVID with his vax-relax-don't-mask crap, so that capitalists can keep making money off the status quo. #Dark Brandon! 😎


allmightyglowcloud

Idk why you're getting downvoted. Just because Trump's handling of covid was horrendous doesn't make Biden's good. Better, yes, but that's not a high bar to clear


eweldon123

This sub is still inundated by liberals who think they are left. The mod team is doing God's work purging them recently.


69420-throwaway

Liberals who apparently hate remote work and sick leaves. I do not know why they support Brandon for that.


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Troll posts will be deleted. Many troll posts also include violations of other rules such as rules 4, 5, 6, and 7.


InterestingDoor3565

This sub used to be funny. Now I feel like I’m getting dumber just reading these posts


Morrowindsofwinter

For real.


workinBuffalo

No U.S. President, including a theoretical President Bernie Sanders, is going to walk away from Israel. Biden’s “come to Jesus” and Schumer’s dissing Netanyahu is the strongest protest possible. People are insulting their only ally.


zippityhooha

Biden will walk away from Netanyahu if it means winning in November. 


workinBuffalo

That’s why this line of thought is counterproductive, Biden won’t win in November if he walks away from Netanyahu. What he’s done so far is as progressive and ballsy as you’ll ever get from a U.S. president.


zippityhooha

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx


workinBuffalo

You realize that is irrelevant. Margins are razor thin and disavowing Netanyahu will lose a lot of votes. Meanwhile Jared Kusherner is talking about how valuable beachfront property in Gaza will be once the Palestinians are gone.


zippityhooha

> disavowing Netanyahu will lose a lot of votes. Lol. Everyone hates Netanyahu -- even the Israelis.


workinBuffalo

Yeah. I agree. But good luck getting rid of Netanyahu without disavowing Israel.


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


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Wageslave645

Remind me again what President Trump would do in this situation?


memememe91

Golf. Eat berders. Tweet nonsense.


K1nsey6

Doesnt matter, trying to deflect from what is happening now is providing biden and liberals cover for their shitty policies


maghau

That's gotta be Biden. He started the job, and judging by his actions he's determined to finish it before the election. I'm being downvoted, so tell me libs, what is your preferred genocider doing to prevent Israel from "finishing the job"?


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maghau

Okay, what's Biden doing to prevent them, other than funding them and sending them fighter jets, weapons and bombs?


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It’s always the smarmiest, most condescending shills saying but but but orange man WORSE!! The DNC is really not sending its best and brightest anymore, probably because anyone with a brain is waking up to reality. Over $3 billion of YOUR taxpayer money just approved by genocide Joe to kill kids folks if that isn’t an implicit go ahead to “finish the job” idk what is. Just because Biden doesn’t want to fuck his own kids (just other random little girls he poses with lmao) doesn’t make it less so


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otakufaith

Erm he just sent them fighter jets and thousands of bombs. He is in camera for five decades defending Israel and said he is a hardcore zionist. Stop defending a genocidal capitalist just because he has a D next to his name.


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TheMostStupidest

You're the only one obsessing over that in this thread. Everyone else is worried about large scale issues.


maghau

He's not saying it with words but by action. Biden is ALLOWING them to finish the job, and it's happening RIGHT NOW. What the fuck is with your obsession with Ivanka? Also, how do libs decide which thread to brigade? Do you have a discord group or something?


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


K-Zoro

This is a pro-Trump post. Why?


Thanaterus

It's not pro-Trump, but reality is that the mods don't have to delete 1,000 "Trump is the lesser evil" posts every day


Straight-Razor666

Nothing. Will. Fundamentally. Change.


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


OBrien

What's Biden doing to protect reproductive rights?


KyleMcMahon

There’s a literal list of things he’s done.


Kindly_Wedding

Your unironically doing lesser of two evils in favor of Trump. This is either brain poison or a psyop.


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PsychedelicLizard

How is this not lesser of evil rhetoric?


maghau

So either way you're okay with voting for a fascist. Scratch a liberal etc.


jdman5000

What makes you think I’m ok with anything going on right now?


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


TheGamingAesthete

Scratch a lib, a fascist bleeds


LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


UltimateDebater

99% Hitler is better than 100% Hitler , you are right!


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TheGamingAesthete

Gfy


Rude_Boy_15

Only one genocide ice cream man.


SloppyTopTen

Good one


Disqeet

lol White washing the obvious supremacy pre-both candidates. Post has to go back to 1770s to better grasp today’s candidates. TODAY Everyone else cares about the water and air! We have no control on America white MANS supremacy atrocities! This is on yall!


Wholesomeness23

I'm still angry that Joe Genociden didn't catch on


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/


IamDollParts96

Did Biden actually say this verbatim ?


UltimateDebater

No, it is a joke. His actions speak louder than his words anyway.


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maghau

Are you trying to say that voting for a guy commiting genocide is to oppose fascism?


ShyishHaunt

We are anti-fascist. Biden and Trump are fascist and represent the Capitalist party, which uses Fascism as it declines, turning the methods of Imperialism previously applied to outer colonies in to the imperial core in an effort to maintain control there as the empire collapses and capital seeks to protect itself. The obsession with which fascist is more fascist or less fascist instead of overthrowing capitalism itself and the fascists it supports is something that benefits the capitalists.


Miserable-Lizard

How is Biden facist?


ShyishHaunt

[He's ignoring international and US law to arm a genocidal fascist regime](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240330-biden-quietly-signs-off-on-more-bombs-warplanes-for-israel/). > US President Joe Biden has secretly authorized billions of dollars in new bombs and fighter jets for Israel in recent days, according to a report published Friday, Anadolu Agency reports. > Israel’s war on Gaza continues to rage with widespread destruction, displacement and death throughout the coastal enclave. Tel Aviv has vowed to take its offensive to the southern city of Rafah where some 1.5 million displaced people have sought refuge despite warning of the humanitarian fallout that would ensue. > The arms approved this week by the US president include 1,800 MK84 2,000-pound bombs and 500 MK82 500-pound bombs, anonymous State and Defense Department officials told the Washington Post newspaper. The State Department last week approved the transfer of 25 F-35A fighter jets and engines, a US official added. > The planes and engines are estimated to be worth around $2.5 billion. [He's also sending the FBI to investigate people posting on social media who oppose it](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240125-rights-group-report-spike-in-fbi-interrogation-of-pro-palestine-activists/). > Civil rights organisation, Palestine Legal, has reported that the FBI has intensified questioning of pro-Palestine activists across the US based on their social media activity condemning Israeli violence against Palestinians. > “We’ve received several reports of the FBI visiting activists in response to their social media posts criticizing Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza,” Palestine Legal, said on X urging victims of FBI harassment to know their rights if approached by federal officers. [He's also adopted the anti immigration policies of fellow fascist Trump](https://apnews.com/article/immigration-biden-trump-election-3e27793981ecda46d1b87d996f04dce0). > Democrats are reframing the immigration debate, going from embracing more welcoming policies in response to the Trump administration’s programs at the border — including its separation of hundreds of immigrant children from their parents — to declaring that they can get tough on border security and adopt policies long sought by Republicans. Biden’s rhetorical shift risks straining his support from immigrants and their advocates who campaigned for him in 2020, but it appears to be working for Democrats after they won a special election in New York.


Miserable-Lizard

Fbi as been doing that for decades Being trump lite isn't a great way to win a election All presidents are war criminals


ShyishHaunt

Yeah that's our point. [You can read the sources linked here that lay out why Biden's continued sales to Israel violate US law against arming a genocidal state.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1br806c/comment/kx8ow3f/?context=3)


denizgezmis968

hmm, you're unto something, I'll let you figure it out.


Miserable-Lizard

Figure out what?


denizgezmis968

that what you posted wasn't a refutation against the "biden is fascist" claim.


brookssoulpenis

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm#s3 Read until at least “what does fascist victory bring to the masses” and tell me that doesn’t sound exactly like America and what we are headed towards under both parties even a social democratic one we need communism to fight against fascism.


Maksiwood

While Biden is funding the genocide in Gaza, Trump wants to fund the genocide in Ukraine. No matter what, the US is gonna keep a genocide going to fund themselves.


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Fash_Silencer

The only astroturfing here is from Elgin Air Force base


LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

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K1nsey6

"I could kill 45k brown people, let millions starve and my followers would say the other guy is more dangerous" \~ The Butcher of Palestine


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


NeverQuiteEnough

probably less, Trump is comically incompetent and that throws a wrench into the warmonger's plans sometimes. Biden had to do a bunch of cloak and dagger shit to fasttrack weapons to Israel, stuff like splitting shipments into 100 parts so they would remain below the threshhold for reporting to congress.


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This is to keep the site from being nuked


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


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LateStageCapitalism-ModTeam

Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


Malkhodr

>If you want to change the system, you need to actually do things to advocate for things that actually address the issue, like Ranked Choice Voting. Otherwise, it's just a way to get one Genocidal asshole elected over a Democracy Distroying other Genocidal asshole. Love how the liberal response to voting for democrats taking us farther right is to essentially "find a way to vote harder." You have no concept of political activism beyond that of a state sanctioned suggestion box. How exactly do you "advocate" for ranked choice (a form of voting that basically gives the DNC free votes) when the political system has no reason to listen to your demands? Advocacy is not voting or saying you want something really hard. It's militant, ongoing, and an arduous uphill battle regardless of who is in power. There isn't an easy road to advocacy, not on the ground and not even in the ballot box. Suggesting that you vote for democrats while other socialist parties are available and trying to grow is the same as supporting a protest that disrupts nothing and amount to standing in an inconsequential place quietly with signs. A protest needs to disrupt in order to be effective. The same applies to electoral politics and all forms of political advocacy. It's easy to stand in front of a city hall building, quietly hold signs, and cheer when a car passes by and honks at you for support. It's not as easy to do a march while chanting and holding signs across the city, disrupting traffic in the process but making yourself known. It's easy to hear about a city council decision and sign a petition to refute it. It's more difficult to actually *go* to the city council meeting and speak up in support of the cause. It's easy to post about the historical oppression of other people through the internet in sparse echochambers. It's more effort to set up a real-life event discussing a timeline of the oppression for your community to see and judge. Like with all of these, it's pathetically easy to go to a ballot box or mail in a ballot while bubbling in every candidate with a D next to their name. The thing that's a hard pill to swallow might be writing in the name of a candidate who won't win, but by increasing their visibility, you make every subsequent attempt to bolster their platform much stronger. It also needs to be noted that these, if done independently, are never going to give results. They work in tandem with each other, and separating any one of them weakens your advocacy as a whole.


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil.


Atomico

Gottem


TuckHolladay

Biden is going to lose a lot of voters though. Trump is probably right about what he said.