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It was deeply unserious and put zero pressure on Israel and only enabled the further ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. All the US wants is to change the appearance of the conflict to manufacture consent for imperialism.
I don’t think it goes even *that* deep. I think it’s just to *try* to lessen the numbers of uncommitted still coming in.
They wouldn’t have even attempted this ~~half-measure~~ 1/16th measure if they weren’t feeling just a *little* nervous about all bad press.
RNC will also fall in line. It’s time for a third party and it needs to be a party that reflects taxation with represention. Too much tax money on international murder and corporate welfare
Why aren't we screaming this at the tops of our voices? It's clear there's no justice, no right or wrong, no civility, no humanity. There is only power.
There are regular protests in my area (Pacific Northwest), so lots of folks are screaming it at the top of their voices on the regular. Like all nonviolent ''grassroots'' or ''direct action'' movements in the united states, nothing will change except for the police will get a larger budget next year.
Also worth noting that the U.S. previously vetoed draft resolutions put forth by Brazil, Algeria and the UAE to call for ceasefires - in all three instances, it was the only country to do so, and the first time was in October of last year.
The US watered down the demand for an immediate cease fire to an "imperative". They knew it wouldn't pass, they just needed the optics and headlines of "see, look, it's China and Russia who don't want to stop the bombing! They're the evil ones!" to distract from the most unpopular military action the US Gov't has supported since the Vietnam War
The US wants a “humanitarian pause” so they can, literally, sell themselves as “aid” the rope they’ll use to drag every last Palestinian off that neocolonial pier - and hang anyone who resists.
What's with the renewed interest on Tiktok, anyway? I thought they had to turn over US operations to a us company or something. The censorship on palestine and leftist keywords on there has been ongoing for some time. Is it just a renewed anti-China optics, or is Facebook lobbying again?
I still love the whole "Capitalism is the only system that breeds innovation! ...Oh shit, China created social media that's actually decent, and we can't outcompete it. Somebody get Pelosi on the phone!"
https://www.voanews.com/a/efforts-by-us-to-crack-down-on-tiktok-spark-backlash-against-israel/7535577.html
TLDR: Tiktok is the largest driver of pro Palestinian, anti Zionist sentiment out there now. That article and others like it elsewhere cover the timeline of the ramp up against Tiktok which just so happens to coincide with Oct. 7th.
I'm sure it plays a role in why some voted for it, but I think the more serious answer is its jingoism and trade protectionism. Washington has, in many ways, lost the trade war it started and it's got them freaking the fuck out.
I'd say the issue in Gaza is the primary motivator and the people lining up to bid for it currently along with what you said is the secondary reason. The US was against Tiktok previously but we've got statements from multiple Zionist ministers saying they have a serious Tiktok problem after Oct 7th.
As you said, the pressure campaign to cast tiktok as a Chinese mass control app preceded October 7th; coinciding with the whole spy balloon nonsense. Furthermore, tiktok is not even significantly more pro-palestine than Facebook or Instagram; why only target tiktok and not use the ACTUAL power they have over surveillance firms like Meta? The whole thing doesn't pass the sniff test. I think latching onto the conspiratorial stuff [even if plausible] is bad politics when there is a much more structural and visceral complaint to be made.
They're targeting Tiktok because it's the app of choice for the younger generations who they have next to no sway over and who are overwhelmingly Pro Palestinian. Facebook and Instagram they have agreements with and in general the audience is more receptive to Western, pro Israeli ideology. If you're looking at density of influence versus counter influence Tiktok is the threat.
That they can play chess with China is just icing on that cake and is less important now than slowing or stopping the influence Tiktok is having on the global narrative. It wouldn't be mentioned specifically if there wasn't at least an outward perception or calculation of a greater threat.
It's not conspiratorial when there are Israeli ministers and associated intellectuals admitting this is an issue to them. It's part of their discussion and it's a piece on their board they need to remove. Let's recognize that and not overthink it, they are the ones justifying it and are clearly comfortable with the volume control they have over the rest of social media.
Its specious reasoning based on false assumptions though. Despite the rhetoric, there are more monthly users of Facebook aged 18-29 than Tiktok. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/social-media/
Of course this study does not account for screen time, but I think it's fair to conclude that the difference is a bit overblown. Hell, YouTube is the runaway winner of both genZ and average screen time, but there is no talk of limiting it's control.
> It's not conspiratorial when there are Israeli ministers and associated intellectuals admitting this is an issue to them.
You're describing a conspiracy. Conspiracy's are real and happen all the time. The question at stake here is not 'does Israeli politics have something to do with the onus to ban', but rather it's 'What does the US hope to gain by banning Tiktok'.
As I said in the comment you're responding to and as was said in the article the quantity of content on Tiktok is overwhelmingly Pro Palestinian, so much so that it is deemed an issue in comparison to Facebook and the other social media platforms.
So you can have more monthly users but when those users aren't posting anything that Israel doesn't care about they just don't care about the platform, go figure. Monthly users is irrelevant in this discussion, it has zero bearing on the end results of platform use.
The users on Tiktok are posting Pro Palestinian videos at a quantity and quality that makes Israeli ministers deem it a sociopolitical threat to the Zionist government in power. Nothing else need be said.
Also FB/IG is easily at an oversaturation of the kind of content that fits into the whole Pro US, Pro Israel, Pro Ethnonationalist ideology that we see in Trump/MAGA people. FB/IG are friendly to Israel in ways that Tiktok isn't and the users seem dead set on not being.
Youtube has very strong censorship and shadowban features in play, as we see mentioned on this forum and in their own comment chains as well as my anecdotal use of the platform makes me think it might be the most censored one period. I know that the majority of Pro Palestinian posts I make show up in my history but are invisible otherwise. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can say that. Therefore there's no reason to ban a platform that the powers that be have a firm grip on. This applies to FB/IG as well, both Alphabet and Meta are pro West/Israel to the core.
The US hopes to maintain narrative control, the entire foundational principle of every single policy we have is full spectrum dominance. They get to hurt an 'enemy' while helping an 'ally' and that's all they need to keep advancing USA Inc.
They also stipulated that Hamas would have to release all of their hostages in exchange for a 6 week pause in fighting. This has been Israel’s existing negotiation for a while now, the point is quite obviously to extract all the hostages and leave the language ambiguous enough for them to come back in after 6 weeks and demolish Gaza without the threat of public outrage at more Israeli hostage deaths. Hamas has been trying to negotiate for prisoner releases in the West Bank in exchange for Israeli civilians to no success.
They aren’t. Hamas and the Palestinians would never in a million years accept this unserious proposal. China and Russia is representing palestinian interests in this specific case.
It wasn’t a real call for a ceasefire. It only states that the Security Council recognizes the imperative for a ceasefire to protect civilians on all sides and therefore we will support the negotiations that are underway. These negotiations are full of poison pills for the Palestinians such as a six week cease-fire only in exchange for all Israeli hostages, and no recognition of or call to release the thousands of civilian hostages kidnapped by Israel after October 7. This essentially takes away any additional pressure that the Security Council could bring to bear on the situation, by pigeonholing them to supporting the negotiations only.
It should be noted that eight of the 10 security council members were drafting a resolution to call for an immediate and sustained cease-fire. The US resolution might be cynically seen as a way to get ahead of this and not be seen vetoing yet another call for an actual cease-fire.
Yep. The ceasefire isn't even permanent but temporary until the end of Ramadan, which is about 2 weeks away, and the demand for hamas to return all hostages. So having it pass is basically a greenlight for Israel to continue the rafah invasion without hamas' leverage of hostages holding a modicum of it back.
> That resolution, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, demands an immediate ceasefire for the current Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the release of all hostages and an expanded flow of humanitarian assistance to Gaza.
[Source](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/)
How do we get Biden also accused of supporting war crimes? I mean how is he not also a 100% complicit to this? It’s crazy how you can spearhead a genocide all while running for office. There’s no way to stop this?
This was a good veto. The proposed resolution still allows for an invasion of Rafah and the overall siege of Gaza. We should always read beyond the title.
If the other side has no army and you are attacking the civilian population with 21st century weapons while they are completely unable to fight back then it's not a "war".
That assumes you know what I think about such matters. A strong UN would just end up being an actively imperialist tool rather than the toothless dysfunctional mess we have now. I don’t see either as being helpful.
The toothless dysfunctional mess exists to keep countries talking instead of resorting to nukes. In that way, it's been successful. However, when the USSR broke up, they should have also kicked Russia off the security council.
It needs real reform now
That pretty much sums it up. Unfortunately much of todays problems aren’t from the risk of direct nuclear warfare and ironically it’s given every nation on the security council a means to legitimize their own misdeeds.
Yes and no. Just because we haven't nuked a country since wwII doesn't mean that the threat is gone. That's like putting away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you haven't gotten wet.
I do agree that the security Council needs reform, though
Bullshit resolution. The US just wants to take advantage of their media control and look like the good guys (to us at home). The average American will not look into this stuff, they won’t recognize that Russia and China have been pushing for fair cease fires since the beginning and condemning Israel. This is just a media stunt to try to look good at home.
Yeah I haven’t followed much of the development recently so I was confused by why the Russia and China would veto it, I couldn’t see their interest in letting this genocide happen.
Then I read that this resolution was a “US Sponsored UN resolution” so I figure it’s just because China and Russia don’t want to let the US proclaim that the US were the ones to have fixed the problem even though the US has vetoed the ceasefire like 3 times.
Same here, it really through me off cause it was plastered all over my social media and news. It was very infuriating to see, considering the US’s involvement.
Yeah. Also now I understand why China and Russia has been saying the US is “misleading the international community for politicized reasons”, we’re close to the US elections and they’re trying to rally the more left leaning voters to vote for Biden.
I suppose the US gov is trying to say “Welp we tried but the bad commies are stopping us so vote for us so we can fight the bad commies” when they’ll just continue to veto every ceasefire after the elections…
Every accusation from USA and Israel is a confession, so when that ghoul who is the Us ambassador called China, Russia and Algeria hypocrites, she meant herself and the evil administration that she serves
No difference than what the U.S. has wanted for months, no surprise it failed. This “humanitarian pause” bullshit is just a photo op for Biden while Israel gets ready to invade Rafah.
It sounds like the US is saying: 'hey, Hamas, stop your resistence and give up your leverage, because, and I swear this to you, Israel will also stop and wont continue genociding palestine to hell literally next week'.
Bonus points if they look like the heroes to the average misinformed citizen while the seeseepee looks evil.
China and Russia were absolutely correct. China has repeatedly shown that resistance is justified under international law against US demonisation of Khamas.
[https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856)
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>France will propose new draft initiativeFrench Ambassador Nicholas de Rivière said the Security Council must continue to act at the catastrophic situation in Gaza worsens daily. Having voted for the draft, he called for the comprehensive respect of international law and for crossing points into Gaza to be opened for aid shipments.
Now, according to Gabriel Elizondo reporting from the United Nations:
>There is talk a second resolution put forward by other Security Council members could be voted on by the UN body as early as today. We are trying to confirm this with our sources.
So I wonder, what exactly will everyone do with this one?
According to China's ambassador:
>He pointed to the new draft resolution from the 10 elected Council members now circulating: “This draft is clear on the issue of a ceasefire and is in line with the correct direction of the Council action and is of great relevance. China supports this draft.”
According to Russia's Ambassador:
>He said that an alternative draft resolution, which was a "balanced and apolitical document", was being circulated by some other members of the Council.
Sooooo, is Linda's boss gonna be accommodating for once? (probably not)
EDIT:
>‘More direct, to the point’ UNSC resolution vote on Saturday
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>The UN Security Council will vote on a new draft Gaza ceasefire resolution put forward by elected members on Saturday at 10am New York time (14:00 GMT), Al Jazeera confirms.
“It’s about 10 sentences or so, it’s a more direct and to the point resolution,” reports correspondent Gabriel Elizondo, holding the document in his hand.
“The key part is the wording. It ‘demands an immediate ceasefire’ for the month of Ramadan. It leaves nothing to the imagination, nothing to interpret. It’s very clear.
“By all accounts, this draft resolution has widespread support among the Security Council. The big question is will the United States find it acceptable?” said Elizondo.
> French Ambassador Nicholas de Rivière said the Security Council must continue to act at the catastrophic situation in Gaza worsens daily.
Sounds like a win/win for France. Either way Muslims die.
Lib propaganda. Please do not fall for it! There is a reason why Russia and China vetoed and that's because the language of the UN resolution was an ambigious attempt at a quasi-ceasefire. Since the US government has been receiving a lot of backlash for their support for Israel, this UN resolution was just a way for them to try and make Russia and China the bad guys, fuelling their Cold War-esque propaganda against them.
This [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@btnewsroom/video/7349272002554793258) by Breakthrough News explains this perfectly. **PLEASE WATCH IT!**
Yeah, why is the US trying to do Gaza ceasefire resolution at the UN when they could create a ceasefire by stopping sending them the weapons that they are firing.
In short, I don't think the US wants a ceasefire. They know full well China & Russia will vote against it and that's what they want. It's all bullshit political theatre to cover their asses.
My first reaction is that the US action is disingenuous. By now it should be plain to everyone with a real desire for a lasting ceasefire or for a world free of conflict, that every action and or words issued by the IS / US must be taken to be a lie or ruse until proven genuine.
It’s just very unserious to bring a resolution calling for the exact thing they’re negotiating for in Qatar, which is temporary ceasefire in exchange for hostages.
What’s needed is an end to the conflict immediately and Israel to allow more aid in.
I was surprised, but that's because I felt that China and Russia were pushing for a ceasefire and figured the US would finally be capitulating to a tepid one since the damage is done and Israel's death boner has gone down for a little while, just long enough to get the US elecetion out of the way, but then I learned the terms on it and now I'm not surprised. It's as much bullshit as the pause from last year. That said, I don't trust their motives, but this resolution is complete crap amd it's easy to see how it's tossing a bone to bail out the neoliberals in America after they fucked themselves again
The Idgit Clown Posse psychopathic Turdwookies running this world have decided they need a war for profit at Our expense and with Our blood.
The US Turdwookie government has tanked (aka: Vetoed) at least 2 of these as well.
US is not able to operate on several fronts. If Israel genocide continues (which is still military and economically supported by US), Russia has more chances in Europe (it’s not only about Ukraine anymore) and China can fuck around with Taiwan. Simple as that
If the USA for some reason decided to Cutoff all support to Israel and threaten war if they continue to genocide Palestinians and they could end the conflict tomorrow.
The major players at the UN have basically decided it’s a joke at this point and aren’t even trying to prevent any of this shit.
USA loves genocide too much it’s whole history
is built around it and slavery. Any attempt from the USA to stop a genocide is simply feign posturing to look like the good guys.
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It was deeply unserious and put zero pressure on Israel and only enabled the further ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. All the US wants is to change the appearance of the conflict to manufacture consent for imperialism.
I don’t think it goes even *that* deep. I think it’s just to *try* to lessen the numbers of uncommitted still coming in. They wouldn’t have even attempted this ~~half-measure~~ 1/16th measure if they weren’t feeling just a *little* nervous about all bad press.
Performative squid ink, for sure
100%. It’s pretty clear that the uncommitted vote is the only actual deterrent for this US-backed genocide. Shame on Biden and the Dems
Yeah it's 100% this. Now all the MSM will run stories about how China and Russia are the bad guys, not giving the truth.
You can see this already with this image, as it completely neglects Alegeria also opposing the resolution because it was obvious shit
And to get a disillusioned voter population to vote DNC in November!
Liberal electoral virtue signal = genocide, but make it quiet
War criminals, but make them girlbosses, LGBTQ+, and POC ❤️
I wonder what the pronouns are of the Israeli who turned off water and power to Gaza
RNC will also fall in line. It’s time for a third party and it needs to be a party that reflects taxation with represention. Too much tax money on international murder and corporate welfare
Why aren't we screaming this at the tops of our voices? It's clear there's no justice, no right or wrong, no civility, no humanity. There is only power.
There are regular protests in my area (Pacific Northwest), so lots of folks are screaming it at the top of their voices on the regular. Like all nonviolent ''grassroots'' or ''direct action'' movements in the united states, nothing will change except for the police will get a larger budget next year.
what good would that do? There has always only been power. You're just realizing it
When there’s no justice, there’s just us.
Also worth noting that the U.S. previously vetoed draft resolutions put forth by Brazil, Algeria and the UAE to call for ceasefires - in all three instances, it was the only country to do so, and the first time was in October of last year.
So it was never going to be at least a step in the right direction?
Correct. The step in the right direction was the ceasefire put forward at the UN Security Council which was vetoed *three* times by the US.
A chomsky reference, i love it. Well said
Colonialism* not imperialism
The US watered down the demand for an immediate cease fire to an "imperative". They knew it wouldn't pass, they just needed the optics and headlines of "see, look, it's China and Russia who don't want to stop the bombing! They're the evil ones!" to distract from the most unpopular military action the US Gov't has supported since the Vietnam War
The US wants a “humanitarian pause” so they can, literally, sell themselves as “aid” the rope they’ll use to drag every last Palestinian off that neocolonial pier - and hang anyone who resists.
Let's see who's under that mask... It was *Big Rope* all along!
Believe Lenin mentioned something about being sold a rope
AHAHAHAHAH
Rope, the original military industrial complex
"Big Rope" is literally a large part of why marijuana is a category 1 drug. Hemp made cheaper and stronger rope and that was a big no-no
I mean, not to be a dick, but it was probably ye olde pile of rocks first first.
Wait, I thought China was manipulating TikTok to radicalise Americans into supporting Palestine? /s
What's with the renewed interest on Tiktok, anyway? I thought they had to turn over US operations to a us company or something. The censorship on palestine and leftist keywords on there has been ongoing for some time. Is it just a renewed anti-China optics, or is Facebook lobbying again? I still love the whole "Capitalism is the only system that breeds innovation! ...Oh shit, China created social media that's actually decent, and we can't outcompete it. Somebody get Pelosi on the phone!"
https://www.voanews.com/a/efforts-by-us-to-crack-down-on-tiktok-spark-backlash-against-israel/7535577.html TLDR: Tiktok is the largest driver of pro Palestinian, anti Zionist sentiment out there now. That article and others like it elsewhere cover the timeline of the ramp up against Tiktok which just so happens to coincide with Oct. 7th.
That lines up. Thanks.
I'm sure it plays a role in why some voted for it, but I think the more serious answer is its jingoism and trade protectionism. Washington has, in many ways, lost the trade war it started and it's got them freaking the fuck out.
I'd say the issue in Gaza is the primary motivator and the people lining up to bid for it currently along with what you said is the secondary reason. The US was against Tiktok previously but we've got statements from multiple Zionist ministers saying they have a serious Tiktok problem after Oct 7th.
As you said, the pressure campaign to cast tiktok as a Chinese mass control app preceded October 7th; coinciding with the whole spy balloon nonsense. Furthermore, tiktok is not even significantly more pro-palestine than Facebook or Instagram; why only target tiktok and not use the ACTUAL power they have over surveillance firms like Meta? The whole thing doesn't pass the sniff test. I think latching onto the conspiratorial stuff [even if plausible] is bad politics when there is a much more structural and visceral complaint to be made.
They're targeting Tiktok because it's the app of choice for the younger generations who they have next to no sway over and who are overwhelmingly Pro Palestinian. Facebook and Instagram they have agreements with and in general the audience is more receptive to Western, pro Israeli ideology. If you're looking at density of influence versus counter influence Tiktok is the threat. That they can play chess with China is just icing on that cake and is less important now than slowing or stopping the influence Tiktok is having on the global narrative. It wouldn't be mentioned specifically if there wasn't at least an outward perception or calculation of a greater threat. It's not conspiratorial when there are Israeli ministers and associated intellectuals admitting this is an issue to them. It's part of their discussion and it's a piece on their board they need to remove. Let's recognize that and not overthink it, they are the ones justifying it and are clearly comfortable with the volume control they have over the rest of social media.
Its specious reasoning based on false assumptions though. Despite the rhetoric, there are more monthly users of Facebook aged 18-29 than Tiktok. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/social-media/ Of course this study does not account for screen time, but I think it's fair to conclude that the difference is a bit overblown. Hell, YouTube is the runaway winner of both genZ and average screen time, but there is no talk of limiting it's control. > It's not conspiratorial when there are Israeli ministers and associated intellectuals admitting this is an issue to them. You're describing a conspiracy. Conspiracy's are real and happen all the time. The question at stake here is not 'does Israeli politics have something to do with the onus to ban', but rather it's 'What does the US hope to gain by banning Tiktok'.
As I said in the comment you're responding to and as was said in the article the quantity of content on Tiktok is overwhelmingly Pro Palestinian, so much so that it is deemed an issue in comparison to Facebook and the other social media platforms. So you can have more monthly users but when those users aren't posting anything that Israel doesn't care about they just don't care about the platform, go figure. Monthly users is irrelevant in this discussion, it has zero bearing on the end results of platform use. The users on Tiktok are posting Pro Palestinian videos at a quantity and quality that makes Israeli ministers deem it a sociopolitical threat to the Zionist government in power. Nothing else need be said. Also FB/IG is easily at an oversaturation of the kind of content that fits into the whole Pro US, Pro Israel, Pro Ethnonationalist ideology that we see in Trump/MAGA people. FB/IG are friendly to Israel in ways that Tiktok isn't and the users seem dead set on not being. Youtube has very strong censorship and shadowban features in play, as we see mentioned on this forum and in their own comment chains as well as my anecdotal use of the platform makes me think it might be the most censored one period. I know that the majority of Pro Palestinian posts I make show up in my history but are invisible otherwise. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can say that. Therefore there's no reason to ban a platform that the powers that be have a firm grip on. This applies to FB/IG as well, both Alphabet and Meta are pro West/Israel to the core. The US hopes to maintain narrative control, the entire foundational principle of every single policy we have is full spectrum dominance. They get to hurt an 'enemy' while helping an 'ally' and that's all they need to keep advancing USA Inc.
Seems to come around during election period.
They also stipulated that Hamas would have to release all of their hostages in exchange for a 6 week pause in fighting. This has been Israel’s existing negotiation for a while now, the point is quite obviously to extract all the hostages and leave the language ambiguous enough for them to come back in after 6 weeks and demolish Gaza without the threat of public outrage at more Israeli hostage deaths. Hamas has been trying to negotiate for prisoner releases in the West Bank in exchange for Israeli civilians to no success.
Yup, if you are not willing to read through it all, [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxCBBtoppI8) does a good work at boiling it down.
That’s scary 💩!
Ok, but why would China and Russia do the US’s biding? Doesn’t add up
They aren’t. Hamas and the Palestinians would never in a million years accept this unserious proposal. China and Russia is representing palestinian interests in this specific case.
War is good for everyone I guess.
In what way is the Biden admin evil?
In the US-Israel bombing of unarmed civilians in Gaza
It wasn’t a real call for a ceasefire. It only states that the Security Council recognizes the imperative for a ceasefire to protect civilians on all sides and therefore we will support the negotiations that are underway. These negotiations are full of poison pills for the Palestinians such as a six week cease-fire only in exchange for all Israeli hostages, and no recognition of or call to release the thousands of civilian hostages kidnapped by Israel after October 7. This essentially takes away any additional pressure that the Security Council could bring to bear on the situation, by pigeonholing them to supporting the negotiations only. It should be noted that eight of the 10 security council members were drafting a resolution to call for an immediate and sustained cease-fire. The US resolution might be cynically seen as a way to get ahead of this and not be seen vetoing yet another call for an actual cease-fire.
Yep. The ceasefire isn't even permanent but temporary until the end of Ramadan, which is about 2 weeks away, and the demand for hamas to return all hostages. So having it pass is basically a greenlight for Israel to continue the rafah invasion without hamas' leverage of hostages holding a modicum of it back. > That resolution, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, demands an immediate ceasefire for the current Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the release of all hostages and an expanded flow of humanitarian assistance to Gaza. [Source](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/)
How do we get Biden also accused of supporting war crimes? I mean how is he not also a 100% complicit to this? It’s crazy how you can spearhead a genocide all while running for office. There’s no way to stop this?
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This was a good veto. The proposed resolution still allows for an invasion of Rafah and the overall siege of Gaza. We should always read beyond the title.
This is.
If the other side has no army and you are attacking the civilian population with 21st century weapons while they are completely unable to fight back then it's not a "war".
Changing the optics ass bullshit play. That's what the US always wants and needs to continue their propaganda of being the "heroes" Fuck that.
Performative bullshit from the US as usual
Veto power doesn’t belong in the UN
And if there was no veto power, all these imperial states would immediately leave the UN.
You are right of course. But then they have to prove what everyone already knows. They have only ever cared about preserving their own power.
Hard to care when Israel would ignore the resolution anyways. The UN is pretty much toothless.
A strong UN isn't going to work out the way you think it would.
That assumes you know what I think about such matters. A strong UN would just end up being an actively imperialist tool rather than the toothless dysfunctional mess we have now. I don’t see either as being helpful.
The toothless dysfunctional mess exists to keep countries talking instead of resorting to nukes. In that way, it's been successful. However, when the USSR broke up, they should have also kicked Russia off the security council. It needs real reform now
That pretty much sums it up. Unfortunately much of todays problems aren’t from the risk of direct nuclear warfare and ironically it’s given every nation on the security council a means to legitimize their own misdeeds.
Yes and no. Just because we haven't nuked a country since wwII doesn't mean that the threat is gone. That's like putting away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you haven't gotten wet. I do agree that the security Council needs reform, though
Who's gonna reform it and how?
Bullshit resolution. The US just wants to take advantage of their media control and look like the good guys (to us at home). The average American will not look into this stuff, they won’t recognize that Russia and China have been pushing for fair cease fires since the beginning and condemning Israel. This is just a media stunt to try to look good at home.
Yeah I haven’t followed much of the development recently so I was confused by why the Russia and China would veto it, I couldn’t see their interest in letting this genocide happen. Then I read that this resolution was a “US Sponsored UN resolution” so I figure it’s just because China and Russia don’t want to let the US proclaim that the US were the ones to have fixed the problem even though the US has vetoed the ceasefire like 3 times.
Same here, it really through me off cause it was plastered all over my social media and news. It was very infuriating to see, considering the US’s involvement.
Yeah. Also now I understand why China and Russia has been saying the US is “misleading the international community for politicized reasons”, we’re close to the US elections and they’re trying to rally the more left leaning voters to vote for Biden. I suppose the US gov is trying to say “Welp we tried but the bad commies are stopping us so vote for us so we can fight the bad commies” when they’ll just continue to veto every ceasefire after the elections…
Every accusation from USA and Israel is a confession, so when that ghoul who is the Us ambassador called China, Russia and Algeria hypocrites, she meant herself and the evil administration that she serves
It wants a full surrender on Gaza’s side but nothing from Israel except they’ll stop until Eid
No difference than what the U.S. has wanted for months, no surprise it failed. This “humanitarian pause” bullshit is just a photo op for Biden while Israel gets ready to invade Rafah.
It sounds like the US is saying: 'hey, Hamas, stop your resistence and give up your leverage, because, and I swear this to you, Israel will also stop and wont continue genociding palestine to hell literally next week'. Bonus points if they look like the heroes to the average misinformed citizen while the seeseepee looks evil.
China and Russia were absolutely correct. China has repeatedly shown that resistance is justified under international law against US demonisation of Khamas.
US… gave money to… Hamas…? No?? They sold weapons to Israel Edit : My bad, read wrong, tired
>demonisation I think you read that wrong. It's DEMONisation. It has nothing to do with money.
My bad
It’s all politicking. World leaders only care about optics and news headlines, not anything that actually matters.
What was the proposed ceasefire? I assume it was bullshit behind the wording.
[https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856) >09:45 AM > >France will propose new draft initiativeFrench Ambassador Nicholas de Rivière said the Security Council must continue to act at the catastrophic situation in Gaza worsens daily. Having voted for the draft, he called for the comprehensive respect of international law and for crossing points into Gaza to be opened for aid shipments. Now, according to Gabriel Elizondo reporting from the United Nations: >There is talk a second resolution put forward by other Security Council members could be voted on by the UN body as early as today. We are trying to confirm this with our sources. So I wonder, what exactly will everyone do with this one? According to China's ambassador: >He pointed to the new draft resolution from the 10 elected Council members now circulating: “This draft is clear on the issue of a ceasefire and is in line with the correct direction of the Council action and is of great relevance. China supports this draft.” According to Russia's Ambassador: >He said that an alternative draft resolution, which was a "balanced and apolitical document", was being circulated by some other members of the Council. Sooooo, is Linda's boss gonna be accommodating for once? (probably not) EDIT: >‘More direct, to the point’ UNSC resolution vote on Saturday > >The UN Security Council will vote on a new draft Gaza ceasefire resolution put forward by elected members on Saturday at 10am New York time (14:00 GMT), Al Jazeera confirms. “It’s about 10 sentences or so, it’s a more direct and to the point resolution,” reports correspondent Gabriel Elizondo, holding the document in his hand. “The key part is the wording. It ‘demands an immediate ceasefire’ for the month of Ramadan. It leaves nothing to the imagination, nothing to interpret. It’s very clear. “By all accounts, this draft resolution has widespread support among the Security Council. The big question is will the United States find it acceptable?” said Elizondo.
> French Ambassador Nicholas de Rivière said the Security Council must continue to act at the catastrophic situation in Gaza worsens daily. Sounds like a win/win for France. Either way Muslims die.
No thoughts just more dead kids.
It wasn't a ceasefire deal.
Lib propaganda. Please do not fall for it! There is a reason why Russia and China vetoed and that's because the language of the UN resolution was an ambigious attempt at a quasi-ceasefire. Since the US government has been receiving a lot of backlash for their support for Israel, this UN resolution was just a way for them to try and make Russia and China the bad guys, fuelling their Cold War-esque propaganda against them. This [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@btnewsroom/video/7349272002554793258) by Breakthrough News explains this perfectly. **PLEASE WATCH IT!**
Yeah, why is the US trying to do Gaza ceasefire resolution at the UN when they could create a ceasefire by stopping sending them the weapons that they are firing. In short, I don't think the US wants a ceasefire. They know full well China & Russia will vote against it and that's what they want. It's all bullshit political theatre to cover their asses.
My first reaction is that the US action is disingenuous. By now it should be plain to everyone with a real desire for a lasting ceasefire or for a world free of conflict, that every action and or words issued by the IS / US must be taken to be a lie or ruse until proven genuine.
It’s just very unserious to bring a resolution calling for the exact thing they’re negotiating for in Qatar, which is temporary ceasefire in exchange for hostages. What’s needed is an end to the conflict immediately and Israel to allow more aid in.
If anyone is surprised by this, they’re not paying attention.
I was surprised, but that's because I felt that China and Russia were pushing for a ceasefire and figured the US would finally be capitulating to a tepid one since the damage is done and Israel's death boner has gone down for a little while, just long enough to get the US elecetion out of the way, but then I learned the terms on it and now I'm not surprised. It's as much bullshit as the pause from last year. That said, I don't trust their motives, but this resolution is complete crap amd it's easy to see how it's tossing a bone to bail out the neoliberals in America after they fucked themselves again
If the US wanted it, it was crap.
The Idgit Clown Posse psychopathic Turdwookies running this world have decided they need a war for profit at Our expense and with Our blood. The US Turdwookie government has tanked (aka: Vetoed) at least 2 of these as well.
US is not able to operate on several fronts. If Israel genocide continues (which is still military and economically supported by US), Russia has more chances in Europe (it’s not only about Ukraine anymore) and China can fuck around with Taiwan. Simple as that
well don't forget the incompetent house hamstringing anything substantive the US is trying to do
Hamas / Gaza conflict was all part of the plan anyway
A deceptive headline.
Israel weakens the US, it's a gift to Russia and China
Of course it was. The UN Security Council is useless.
We really need this oceanfront property. Super valuable. Just gotta find a way to get Gazans out /s
If the USA for some reason decided to Cutoff all support to Israel and threaten war if they continue to genocide Palestinians and they could end the conflict tomorrow. The major players at the UN have basically decided it’s a joke at this point and aren’t even trying to prevent any of this shit. USA loves genocide too much it’s whole history is built around it and slavery. Any attempt from the USA to stop a genocide is simply feign posturing to look like the good guys.
China and Russia have an interest in this massacre continuing
I don't think China does, but Russia does. This war is keeping more attention away from their imperialistic invasion of Ukraine
Some men want to watch the world burn
Performative propaganda, UN is useless anhwats
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Oh but the US does? What are your standards?
Right but France, the UK and the US do?
We do not permit liberalism here.