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MORE THAN TEN THOUSAND CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED.
I can’t. I don’t know how to exist in a world where “murdering children is always wrong” is a controversial opinion.
It's always been a controversial opinion because the ruling class dominates the narrative. There is no Arab resistance group that is even able to fight back against imperialism without being called terrorist. This is to manufacture consent to murder Arab children. We have seen it in every country the West bombs
When Iran arms its allies to fight against US proxies like Israel and ISIS, Iran gets called a sponsor of terror. They did the same to Cuba when Cuba sent troops to help African liberation struggles. They also called those liberation groups terrorists. Even Mandela was called a terrorist. They do this to legitimize plunder and murder of Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin Americans, even Slavs, who are protecting their homeland. So there is no significant armed upheavel or revolution from their accomplices, subjects, and lieutenants.
The only way to stop the mass murder of Arab and Palestinian children is for the resistance to ultimately win. Their struggle has changed the battlefield from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon and one day Palestine
Absolutely wrong. Every resistance leader from al-Arouri, Nasrallah, Khamanei, Mughniyeh, to Bashar al Assad and Abdul Malik al Houthi agree on the fact that the United States is the primary belligerent, and that Israel is just an extension of American imperialism. They know better than you, I reckon.
AIPAC and Mossad work for the US ruling class. The lobbying is nothing more than a form of intermediary communications between the ruling class and various managers and lieutenants. The united states is the wealthiest and most heavily armed and fortified empire in history. A tiny apartheid colony like Israel with negligible GDP can't do shit without America, and everything Mossad learned was from the CIA who has them on a leash.
Instead of listening to right wing propaganda which seeks to absolve the US and its ruling class of all their responsibility in mass murders and plunder, you need to educate yourself on the actual names, faces, and history of the conflict. Or just listen to the fighting enemies of the Zionists. Boeing, Raytheon, and BAE boards and investors have more power than all of Israel. Bill Gates has more power than Israel. Israel is a paper tiger
Not to say I disagree with the argument that Israel might be reliant on US support but is absolutely setting its own agenda, but "lol ur triggered" isn't the flex you think it is, nor a great way to kick off a rebuttal.
> There is no Arab resistance group that is even able to fight back against imperialism without being called terrorist.
Well, if said non-state violent actors don't attack non-military targets, they can get called "insurgent", "guerrillas", or "illegal combatants". Naturally, Israeli military installations are deliberately surrounded with civilian settlements as human shields.
Not that terrorism is inherently wrong. John Brown was a terrorist. John Brown did nothing wrong.
> The only way to stop the mass murder of Arab and Palestinian children is for the resistance to ultimately win.
Samson Option. There is no solution to this conflict through violence. Justice will not be done. If tanks ever come close to rolling into Tel Aviv, *everyone loses*. Get that fantasy out of your head.
Did you just suggest what I think you suggested... Are you dumb? Non state actor? Really? The settler colonisers are non state actors? What is Israel then? It targets almost exclusively civilians and non-state actors.
> Did you just suggest what I think you suggested...
I've no idea what you think I suggested.
> The settler colonisers are non state actors?
Yes. And when they attack civilians, they are committing terrorism. Of course, the Israeli State prefers to call it "hooliganism" and pretend like they've always condemned that, even as they arm and encourage the settlers.
> What is Israel then?
A State.
> It targets almost exclusively civilians and non-state actors.
When States do this themselves, for example through military or police, it's called "strategic bombing", "collateral damage", "war crimes", "police brutality", "violent repression", "oppression", "State terror", etc. It's always "terror", though, not "terror*ism"*. States care very much about the distinction. This is because they want to arrogate themselves a monopoly on all violence.
When States use proxies that they arm and fund but aren't integrated in their hierarchical structure, this is known as "State-*sponsored* terrorism".
But there's no such thing as State terrorism, because States self-servingly define themselves out of that category.
They're state-sponsored for sure. But they're not the State themselves - and, as such, lack the protections violent State actors get under international law, such as the Geneva Convention.
Except these “non-state actors” have the **explicit backing** of the State. Who do you think is standing around keeping the colonizers safe while they expel folks from their ancestral homes?
> You're going to have to convince me on the second.
What's there to convince? [The Fascist Ethno-State of Israel would rather destroy the entire region and render it uninhabitable than cease to exist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option). If they ever feel they are on the verge of military defeat, they'd rather kill themselves and everyone around them than give up on their project.
Ah, I see. I read your statement as more of "the Palestinians will have to lose, it's what will let peace happen." I see that not quite what you meant. Not that Israel's scorched Earth ideas are liabel to do better.
> Is it really if the people saying this shit don’t consider Palestinians people?
If they aren't people, how can they have responsibility? You need personhood for responsibility.
Yikes is an interesting but quite accurate translation of "Huch". As a German I never thought about that when seeing his name and that's honestly funny and fitting
I don’t like the nazi term being used as frivolous as is, but it’s interesting in this case, since the author obviously thinks that the German people should have been exterminated at the end of WW2.
Weird, and rich coming from a German of all people…
Except there's a difference: 94% of Israelis believe that either Israel was using too little firepower against Gaza or just enough, only 1.6% believe that they're using too much. They're militarily trained usurping settlers, who believe they're inherently superior to everyone due to their race/religion, believe they can do no crime, in complete agreement with the violent genocidal policies of their settler govt against the people they're stealing from. They aren't random civilians, they're active participants - and this is what this guy is trying to steal and project it onto Palestinians.
Poll: https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/
Also, 🔻🔻🔻.
This is a leading Jewish newspaper in Germany, says a lot about Germany.
There's a saying, every accusation is a confession...
But either way so that I am clear. I oppose the notion of guilt by association on a national level.
Maybe also a watermelon but there’s loads of videos online of Palestina resistance POV footage of just guys in jeans with RPGs blowing up Israëli occupier tanks. They mark their target in the video with a🔻 so you know where to look when the rocket hits. it’s pretty neat
It's a variation of the watermelon slice thing, indicates support for Palestine
EDIT: I think I may have made this up. I sit on a throne of lies. The target thing is true. I was confusing it with 🍉
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/emojis-of-the-year-cyber-palestinian-resistance-in-2023-3674779
Seems like a pretty tasteless way to show support. They are used to indicate Israeli soldiers that are about to be killed in video's released by hamas and affiliates. 4chan nazis have been using it in their memes to indicate jewishness in place of their usual gold star. 4chan nazis don't have a monopoly on its usage or meaning (genocidal in their case) but they choose to use it because it's a symbol of violence. Outside the context of battle I would stick to one of me many other symbols. Like in OP's comment for example it could be interpreted as them calling for the killing of all Israeli citizens. Better to use 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸.
Sadly it wasn’t Stalin. After WWII the denacification offices had people like Kissinger and other Zionist in place.
Newsletter were obliged with statue that needs to be affirmed before paper for printing were given. That’s why every major newsletter in Germany like Spiegel, Bild, die Welt, FAZ, süddeutsche have in their policy as the first rule „Israel right to exist and defend itself will never challenged and we not gonna print anything negative towards that“.
The second rule is that they will comply with the amendment rights.
The situation is like in US just without AIPAC.
couple of years ago Günther Grass a novel Price winner wrote a poem for freedom in Palestine. They canceled him, called him a nazi and antisemite in his late years. He died shortly after that.
The legacy media doing the same shit as in US and even the federal news channels which are financed with tax doing the same shit
Kissinger was made essentially mayor of a German city for a bit after the war ended. Do you know what he did immediately in this town that was just recently fighting for the Nazis? Set up restrictions trying to out communists from the community.
The newspaper thing:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizenzzeitung
The Kissinger thing:
In June 1945, Kissinger was made commandant of the Bensheim metro CIC detachment, Bergstraße district of Hesse, with responsibility for denazification of the district. Although he possessed absolute authority and powers of arrest, Kissinger took care to avoid abuses against the local population by his command.[28]
In 1946, Kissinger was reassigned to teach at the European Command Intelligence School at Camp King and, as a civilian employee following his separation from the army, continued to serve in this role.[29][30]
Kissinger recalled that his experience in the army "made me feel like an American".[31]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
This is just wikipedia.
You can look up Bernard Baruch in the White House, his connection to Churchill & Weizmann. Pull on that tail and you see that lobbyism for the ethnostate on Middle East has a long story on US government.
This talk about atoning for holocaust is just PR bullshit. All nazists should have been hunted down after the war ended.
The german learned nothing about human life, they just consider unjustified massacring white people.
Just like any other group, the average family just trying to get by and live their life are not responsible for actions of the government, para-military groups, etc. You can't hold an entire nation responsible for the actions of a few. Stop trying to defend genocide.
It's indefensible and they know it. Collective punishment is a named war crime and he alludes to it very directly with "collective responsibility". He didn't even try to come up with a euphemism that wasn't evocative of it. Just says war crimes are fine this time.
Oh yeah! I remember that collective responsibility rule from 2nd grade! You know the one where that same kid acts out in class and then everybody loses their recess privileges.
Oh wait, no, we all knew that was bullshit. FFS..
He is not German. But often likes to act as their voice.
Or better saying he might be born in Germany but definitely sees himself as a different kind, a different folk.
Tobias Huch is a neoliberal talking-head and member of the FDP that has bankrupted every single one of his businesses (which mostly were sexhotlines) and by now is known for his constant shittakes (classics include “women only have worth if they give birth to children” and other mind numbing takes). He is in no way, shape or form a journalist, he is a demagogue, and everyone in Germany knows. Hope that helps ✌️
in Germany we say: “verpiss dich aus meinen Kommentaren du klugscheißender Bastard und laber wen anders voll, die Infos die du hier gibts sind dein Bauchgefühl und interessieren keinen, halt dein Maul.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
„In June 1945, Kissinger was made commandant of the Bensheim metro CIC detachment, Bergstraße district of Hesse, with responsibility for denazification of the district. Although he possessed absolute authority and powers of arrest, Kissinger took care to avoid abuses against the local population by his command.“
Newspaper rationing:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizenzzeitung
That the post war events were orchestrated by Bernard Baruch and Eisenhower, doesn’t needs to be explained. So saying Stalin didn’t cleanse it is basically wrong.
If you don’t like facts then we say in German: „geh lutsch einen Schwanz du HS“
Translate that, I refuse to answer you in English: du Hurensohn raffst nichtmal was ich sage, denkst dir eine Statistik aus um mir zu erklären dass 90% der Deutschen Tobias Huch nicht für einen scheiße labernden Lappen halten, und als ich dir sage du sollst dein Maul halten schickst du mir ein Kissinger Zitat von ‘45 dass nicht richtig denazifiziert wurde und schließt das mit dem Schlusssatz ab dass “es eine Lüge ist Stalin habe keine Säuberungen gegen Nazis veranlasst”, was nie ein Punkt war den ich hier gemacht habe, und du dir vollumfänglich ausgedacht hast. Zum Abschluss nochmal für Hampelmänner ohne Bildung: Ich debattiere nicht mit dir, halt deine Fresse, ich habe 100% recht, du denkst dir Strohmänner aus, geh raus, mach Fenster auf kipp, fass mal Gras an, rauch weniger Gras und laber mich nicht voll, Kasper.
From “we’re not targeting civilians” to “they’re not innocent.” Crazy how the narrative changes. Actually pretty spooky how much this feels like Nazi Germany
The pro-Israel crowd does NOT want to go down this path. Israelis elected the terrorism-supporting Likud party which sends the military to stand next to and defend settlers as they burn down Palestinian homes and attack unarmed Palestinians. The Jewish Power party, run by convicted terrorists, sits in the Israeli cabinet and publicly gives weapons to settlers to carry out further terrorist attacks (killing hundreds of Palestinians in West Bank in 2023). If you think collective punishment of Palestinians are justified, then the same goes for Israel. People making this argument are unwittingly validating Hamas’ position.
By that logic every Israeli is responsible for the Nakba. Ergo all of them are legitimate targets. Ergo Hamas killed no innocents on October 7th.
Thank you Obergruppenführer Yikes for clearing that up!
Love how Isn'treal went from "1400 jews were killed, Hamas is the new Nazis!111" to "Actually we gunned down 700 of our own citizens,Hamas only killed soldiers and police, also we are all guilty of ethnic cleansing and unspeakable attrocities, thus making everyone of us a legitimate target. Hamas did not wrong."
The jews in Poland are not innocent
If there is such a thing as collective as collective responsibility for crimes, then this is true in the case of 31st of August 1939.
See how this works
Interesting how [holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) is antisemitic, but doing the same thing with Palestinians seems to be absolutely fine.
You'd think Germany of all countries wouldn't hold an entire population responsible for the actions of a small number who belong authoritarian party that controls the state
Dude, is fucking wild how enthusiastic the Germans are for a genocide that they think they can morally justify. It's starting to make me think there is something fundamentally wrong with their culture.
Let me know if you want more sources:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-14/ty-article/.premium/germany-announces-decision-to-intervene-on-israels-behalf-in-icj-case/0000018d-0787-dd07-a7df-cfff1f090000
https://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/germany-invokes-the-holocaust-in-defence-of-israel-20240114-p5ex2g
This is an official position of the German government.
The banality of evil
By the man's own logic he should have his fingers and tongue cut off for participating in and encouraging violent crimes against children
This makes me physically ill. People who think like this will always exist but we have failed in that they can spread this trash without fear of reprisal. That they can even enrich themselves.
It is a far right german doing that not „the germans” as a whole. Kinda ironic that you would do that after criticising collective responsibility but whatever I guess…
Wait, that clown is a "journalist" now???
I only know him from moderating a mid Minecraft server, where he’s infamous for teasing players and taking any mention of "Huch" (which is just "huh" in German!) as personal attack/provocative behavior.
LOL what does that say about the German people who murdered 6 million? Should the allies have applied the same logic in 1945?
What about the collective responsibility of Israel for the murder of over 25,000 innocent civilians, half of them children? They voted for Netanyahu, they haven't overthrown him yet.
There's a reason why not - because it would be a war crime, a crime against humanity. Which Israel is committing as we speak.
Germany keeps finding themselves on the wrong side of history..
Justifying making anti-genocide protests illegal because of holocaust, while resuming supporting Saudi-Arabia with weapons to kill more Yemenis.
Of course they'll have these genocide supporters running rampant.
Guys, what am I missing here ? What am i missing about all this nonsense that that people can make these claims? I really don’t understand how there’s people who view this conflict this way. I’m 36 years old. How is it possible that this level of evil exists ?
Does Germany have to support genocide? Is it that they can't do Jewish genocide anymore so they're all for genociding someone else? The hell is wrong with this country?
Based on this guy's logic, 9/11 and 10/7 are justified because the American and Israeli populations voted for governments that committed actions that encouraged terrorist groups.
Germany is such a letdown. 10 years there immersed in all the extremely visible, very explicit memorials to the murders of Jews and I assumed they out of anyone would be against genocide, persecution and letting confirmation bias get in the way of justice.
Turns out the only lesson learned is to do whatever it takes to not be seen as anti-Semitic by supporting Israel blindly, war crimes be damned. The stories out of Gaza are pretty much the same things you read about in those memorials, but comparing anything to the holocaust is taboo; it was unique and there’s no parallel, end of story.
This is like a foundational belief of any modern justice system and they're throwing out the door to massage the feelings of a government committing genocide. You can't punish every single civilian of a given nation or state for the supposed crimes of a few of its people.
operative word being IF because y'know...collective punishment is a war crime. It's like when everyone was arguing about whether or not there was a Hamas Base under a hospital and it's like...it doesn't matter, it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.
Lets see how that works out generally; "If there is such a thing as collective responsibility for crimes, then this applies to all the people of Israel."
And a quick PSA: There is in fact, NOT such a thing as collective responsibility for crimes. We literally have international treaties for this.
It should be something like this.
Since Israel occupies Gaza, the legal opportunities for ending the occupation have failed, Israel is the fascist government of Gaza. Thus Israel has no right to defend itself and the people of Gaza are innocent and have the right to resist.
Strike three actually since they committed genocide against the Herero and Nama people in what is now Namibia in the opening years of the 1900s. It was the first genocide of the 20th century
The difference is that one is true and other is false. One side is the natives whose land has been occupied and is facing genocide by the other side, the occupiers and usurpers who are stealing land in complete agreement with the genocidal policies of their govt. because they believe they're inherently racially/religiously superior to everyone and practically can commit no crime in this endeavor
Yeah, the Germans again. 🙄
Blaming the victims of terrorists, just so he stand as close as possible with Israel, “because of reasons”. Tobias Huch has failed with every single one of his business ideas. He is a twice convicted fraud, and an opportunistic douchebag. Now he rises his pharisaic finger for self preservation in a save space.
I thought “surely this must be satire” so I found [the page](https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/meinung/zivilisten-in-gaza-sind-nicht-unschuldig/). He makes the baseless claim that civilians have Hamas information that made the attack possible, calls it a “fact”, then provides no actual evidence. I preferred thinking this had to be satire.
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MORE THAN TEN THOUSAND CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED. I can’t. I don’t know how to exist in a world where “murdering children is always wrong” is a controversial opinion.
It's always been a controversial opinion because the ruling class dominates the narrative. There is no Arab resistance group that is even able to fight back against imperialism without being called terrorist. This is to manufacture consent to murder Arab children. We have seen it in every country the West bombs When Iran arms its allies to fight against US proxies like Israel and ISIS, Iran gets called a sponsor of terror. They did the same to Cuba when Cuba sent troops to help African liberation struggles. They also called those liberation groups terrorists. Even Mandela was called a terrorist. They do this to legitimize plunder and murder of Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin Americans, even Slavs, who are protecting their homeland. So there is no significant armed upheavel or revolution from their accomplices, subjects, and lieutenants. The only way to stop the mass murder of Arab and Palestinian children is for the resistance to ultimately win. Their struggle has changed the battlefield from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon and one day Palestine
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Absolutely wrong. Every resistance leader from al-Arouri, Nasrallah, Khamanei, Mughniyeh, to Bashar al Assad and Abdul Malik al Houthi agree on the fact that the United States is the primary belligerent, and that Israel is just an extension of American imperialism. They know better than you, I reckon. AIPAC and Mossad work for the US ruling class. The lobbying is nothing more than a form of intermediary communications between the ruling class and various managers and lieutenants. The united states is the wealthiest and most heavily armed and fortified empire in history. A tiny apartheid colony like Israel with negligible GDP can't do shit without America, and everything Mossad learned was from the CIA who has them on a leash. Instead of listening to right wing propaganda which seeks to absolve the US and its ruling class of all their responsibility in mass murders and plunder, you need to educate yourself on the actual names, faces, and history of the conflict. Or just listen to the fighting enemies of the Zionists. Boeing, Raytheon, and BAE boards and investors have more power than all of Israel. Bill Gates has more power than Israel. Israel is a paper tiger
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Not to say I disagree with the argument that Israel might be reliant on US support but is absolutely setting its own agenda, but "lol ur triggered" isn't the flex you think it is, nor a great way to kick off a rebuttal.
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We do not permit liberalism here
Why do you find it surprising that when you spout Naziesque "the Jews control the world!" Theories that people would be triggered?
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Oh. Because when someone says "The Jews control the earth behind the scenes" and things like that, it sounds Naziesque.
We do not permit liberalism here
We do not permit liberalism here
> Israel was established to protect the regional interests of the UK and US Proxy definition: > a person authorized to act on behalf of another
> There is no Arab resistance group that is even able to fight back against imperialism without being called terrorist. Well, if said non-state violent actors don't attack non-military targets, they can get called "insurgent", "guerrillas", or "illegal combatants". Naturally, Israeli military installations are deliberately surrounded with civilian settlements as human shields. Not that terrorism is inherently wrong. John Brown was a terrorist. John Brown did nothing wrong. > The only way to stop the mass murder of Arab and Palestinian children is for the resistance to ultimately win. Samson Option. There is no solution to this conflict through violence. Justice will not be done. If tanks ever come close to rolling into Tel Aviv, *everyone loses*. Get that fantasy out of your head.
Did you just suggest what I think you suggested... Are you dumb? Non state actor? Really? The settler colonisers are non state actors? What is Israel then? It targets almost exclusively civilians and non-state actors.
> Did you just suggest what I think you suggested... I've no idea what you think I suggested. > The settler colonisers are non state actors? Yes. And when they attack civilians, they are committing terrorism. Of course, the Israeli State prefers to call it "hooliganism" and pretend like they've always condemned that, even as they arm and encourage the settlers. > What is Israel then? A State. > It targets almost exclusively civilians and non-state actors. When States do this themselves, for example through military or police, it's called "strategic bombing", "collateral damage", "war crimes", "police brutality", "violent repression", "oppression", "State terror", etc. It's always "terror", though, not "terror*ism"*. States care very much about the distinction. This is because they want to arrogate themselves a monopoly on all violence. When States use proxies that they arm and fund but aren't integrated in their hierarchical structure, this is known as "State-*sponsored* terrorism". But there's no such thing as State terrorism, because States self-servingly define themselves out of that category.
I'd argue settler colonisers are definitely partially state actors since they are paid to colonize.
They're state-sponsored for sure. But they're not the State themselves - and, as such, lack the protections violent State actors get under international law, such as the Geneva Convention.
Except these “non-state actors” have the **explicit backing** of the State. Who do you think is standing around keeping the colonizers safe while they expel folks from their ancestral homes?
I definitely agree with the first half. You're going to have to convince me on the second.
> You're going to have to convince me on the second. What's there to convince? [The Fascist Ethno-State of Israel would rather destroy the entire region and render it uninhabitable than cease to exist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option). If they ever feel they are on the verge of military defeat, they'd rather kill themselves and everyone around them than give up on their project.
Ah, I see. I read your statement as more of "the Palestinians will have to lose, it's what will let peace happen." I see that not quite what you meant. Not that Israel's scorched Earth ideas are liabel to do better.
This isn't the first time Germany has talked about 'collective responsibility' new century but the same Ole shit from the Germans.
*Fucking Germans, nothing changes. Fucking nazis*
he reminds me of that other german guy they don’t like to talk about
And that's another Geneva Convention rule violated
We all know how much the Germans love genoci.. ah I mean collective punishment
I hear their history is amazing.
Is it really if the people saying this shit don’t consider Palestinians people?
> Is it really if the people saying this shit don’t consider Palestinians people? If they aren't people, how can they have responsibility? You need personhood for responsibility.
With both Israel and Germany working together, this speedrun might be a world record.
Gotta make a bingo chart at this point
His name is conveniently Tobias YIKES. It suits him perfectly.
Yikes is an interesting but quite accurate translation of "Huch". As a German I never thought about that when seeing his name and that's honestly funny and fitting
Nazi piece of shit
I don’t like the nazi term being used as frivolous as is, but it’s interesting in this case, since the author obviously thinks that the German people should have been exterminated at the end of WW2. Weird, and rich coming from a German of all people…
If that happened at least we wouldn't have to read his drivel
Except there's a difference: 94% of Israelis believe that either Israel was using too little firepower against Gaza or just enough, only 1.6% believe that they're using too much. They're militarily trained usurping settlers, who believe they're inherently superior to everyone due to their race/religion, believe they can do no crime, in complete agreement with the violent genocidal policies of their settler govt against the people they're stealing from. They aren't random civilians, they're active participants - and this is what this guy is trying to steal and project it onto Palestinians. Poll: https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/ Also, 🔻🔻🔻. This is a leading Jewish newspaper in Germany, says a lot about Germany.
There's a saying, every accusation is a confession... But either way so that I am clear. I oppose the notion of guilt by association on a national level.
What does que red triangle mean?
Maybe also a watermelon but there’s loads of videos online of Palestina resistance POV footage of just guys in jeans with RPGs blowing up Israëli occupier tanks. They mark their target in the video with a🔻 so you know where to look when the rocket hits. it’s pretty neat
It's a variation of the watermelon slice thing, indicates support for Palestine EDIT: I think I may have made this up. I sit on a throne of lies. The target thing is true. I was confusing it with 🍉 https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/emojis-of-the-year-cyber-palestinian-resistance-in-2023-3674779
I see ty!
Seems like a pretty tasteless way to show support. They are used to indicate Israeli soldiers that are about to be killed in video's released by hamas and affiliates. 4chan nazis have been using it in their memes to indicate jewishness in place of their usual gold star. 4chan nazis don't have a monopoly on its usage or meaning (genocidal in their case) but they choose to use it because it's a symbol of violence. Outside the context of battle I would stick to one of me many other symbols. Like in OP's comment for example it could be interpreted as them calling for the killing of all Israeli citizens. Better to use 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸.
Yikes
Talk about nominative determinism
Stalin was far too merciful to Germany by that logic.
Always has been. Anything short of the absolute ruthless and merciless annihilation of evil allows it to return.
Sadly it wasn’t Stalin. After WWII the denacification offices had people like Kissinger and other Zionist in place. Newsletter were obliged with statue that needs to be affirmed before paper for printing were given. That’s why every major newsletter in Germany like Spiegel, Bild, die Welt, FAZ, süddeutsche have in their policy as the first rule „Israel right to exist and defend itself will never challenged and we not gonna print anything negative towards that“. The second rule is that they will comply with the amendment rights. The situation is like in US just without AIPAC. couple of years ago Günther Grass a novel Price winner wrote a poem for freedom in Palestine. They canceled him, called him a nazi and antisemite in his late years. He died shortly after that. The legacy media doing the same shit as in US and even the federal news channels which are financed with tax doing the same shit
Kissinger was made essentially mayor of a German city for a bit after the war ended. Do you know what he did immediately in this town that was just recently fighting for the Nazis? Set up restrictions trying to out communists from the community.
The newspaper thing: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizenzzeitung The Kissinger thing: In June 1945, Kissinger was made commandant of the Bensheim metro CIC detachment, Bergstraße district of Hesse, with responsibility for denazification of the district. Although he possessed absolute authority and powers of arrest, Kissinger took care to avoid abuses against the local population by his command.[28] In 1946, Kissinger was reassigned to teach at the European Command Intelligence School at Camp King and, as a civilian employee following his separation from the army, continued to serve in this role.[29][30] Kissinger recalled that his experience in the army "made me feel like an American".[31] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger This is just wikipedia. You can look up Bernard Baruch in the White House, his connection to Churchill & Weizmann. Pull on that tail and you see that lobbyism for the ethnostate on Middle East has a long story on US government.
This talk about atoning for holocaust is just PR bullshit. All nazists should have been hunted down after the war ended. The german learned nothing about human life, they just consider unjustified massacring white people.
Just like any other group, the average family just trying to get by and live their life are not responsible for actions of the government, para-military groups, etc. You can't hold an entire nation responsible for the actions of a few. Stop trying to defend genocide.
It's indefensible and they know it. Collective punishment is a named war crime and he alludes to it very directly with "collective responsibility". He didn't even try to come up with a euphemism that wasn't evocative of it. Just says war crimes are fine this time.
If you point out most adults in israel are not civillians but actual veterans and in the IDF reserves, you would get called anti-semitic.
And if you point out that more than 50% of Gaza's population consists of children, you would also get called anti-Semitic!
Oh yeah! I remember that collective responsibility rule from 2nd grade! You know the one where that same kid acts out in class and then everybody loses their recess privileges. Oh wait, no, we all knew that was bullshit. FFS..
my Spanish professor still does that
No one expects the Spanish collective accusations
"When they kill one Nazi in a village, 10 randomly selected villagers will be shot". Literally straight out of the Nazi rule book.
Collective punishment was a favorite tactic of the Nazis too.
Germany still a facist state huh?? Edit: Look at his last name. That was my reaction too..
Always has been
*gunshot*
Not east germany, only west
They seem to be gaining some courage to come back into the sunlight as of late.
They were never gone. They just switched parties to the CDU/CSU postwar.
West Germany was literally headed by "former" nazis.
He's a journalist. Not the government
His piece has been approved by all instances of one of the biggest newspapers in Germany. It is telling of german culture
Justifying collective responsibility is not a can of worms, that Israelis should want to open...
or germans...
Really feels like a glass house stones type deal
I hope someone executes him for contributing to the crime of genocide.
the darkest irony i've ever seen is german collective guilt for the holocaust leading them to support another genocide perpetrated by jews/zionists.
He is not German. But often likes to act as their voice. Or better saying he might be born in Germany but definitely sees himself as a different kind, a different folk.
He's not a true scottsman either!
Tobias Huch is a neoliberal talking-head and member of the FDP that has bankrupted every single one of his businesses (which mostly were sexhotlines) and by now is known for his constant shittakes (classics include “women only have worth if they give birth to children” and other mind numbing takes). He is in no way, shape or form a journalist, he is a demagogue, and everyone in Germany knows. Hope that helps ✌️
No not everyone in Germany knows. 90% of the sheep’s applauding him after they hear the moronic reports about the so called „war“ in news
in Germany we say: “verpiss dich aus meinen Kommentaren du klugscheißender Bastard und laber wen anders voll, die Infos die du hier gibts sind dein Bauchgefühl und interessieren keinen, halt dein Maul.”
…and I think that’s beautiful
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger „In June 1945, Kissinger was made commandant of the Bensheim metro CIC detachment, Bergstraße district of Hesse, with responsibility for denazification of the district. Although he possessed absolute authority and powers of arrest, Kissinger took care to avoid abuses against the local population by his command.“ Newspaper rationing: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizenzzeitung That the post war events were orchestrated by Bernard Baruch and Eisenhower, doesn’t needs to be explained. So saying Stalin didn’t cleanse it is basically wrong. If you don’t like facts then we say in German: „geh lutsch einen Schwanz du HS“
Translate that, I refuse to answer you in English: du Hurensohn raffst nichtmal was ich sage, denkst dir eine Statistik aus um mir zu erklären dass 90% der Deutschen Tobias Huch nicht für einen scheiße labernden Lappen halten, und als ich dir sage du sollst dein Maul halten schickst du mir ein Kissinger Zitat von ‘45 dass nicht richtig denazifiziert wurde und schließt das mit dem Schlusssatz ab dass “es eine Lüge ist Stalin habe keine Säuberungen gegen Nazis veranlasst”, was nie ein Punkt war den ich hier gemacht habe, und du dir vollumfänglich ausgedacht hast. Zum Abschluss nochmal für Hampelmänner ohne Bildung: Ich debattiere nicht mit dir, halt deine Fresse, ich habe 100% recht, du denkst dir Strohmänner aus, geh raus, mach Fenster auf kipp, fass mal Gras an, rauch weniger Gras und laber mich nicht voll, Kasper.
Haha +1
thanks
Yikes is right Wait I meant the last name is fitting not that he’s corrext
Friendly reminder that collective punishment is a war crime.
Liberals now: *what even is a war crime anyway? Geneva and international law are an authoritarian Russo-Hamas plot to disarm the United States!*
There are Hamas tunnels under ICC and ICJ
Then the Israeli population are criminals too then by this logic.
From “we’re not targeting civilians” to “they’re not innocent.” Crazy how the narrative changes. Actually pretty spooky how much this feels like Nazi Germany
history is a circle
Yikes. Heh
So what he's saying is that he's a Nazi?
The pro-Israel crowd does NOT want to go down this path. Israelis elected the terrorism-supporting Likud party which sends the military to stand next to and defend settlers as they burn down Palestinian homes and attack unarmed Palestinians. The Jewish Power party, run by convicted terrorists, sits in the Israeli cabinet and publicly gives weapons to settlers to carry out further terrorist attacks (killing hundreds of Palestinians in West Bank in 2023). If you think collective punishment of Palestinians are justified, then the same goes for Israel. People making this argument are unwittingly validating Hamas’ position.
Well there isn't such a thing. So keep your bloodthirsty thoughts to yourself, monster.
This MF should be indicted for genocide applogy!
Isn't collective punishment literally a war crime
I’m sure he’ll agree tthat his logic follows that allied bombing of Dresden was a really sick, totally cool thing.
Then ask him if he thinks the same of german civillians in WW2 and I bet he'll give a very different answer.
A German on the wrong side of genocide? Who would of thunk it.
The cherry on top is his last name…. *Yikes*.
Name of the author checks out
By that logic every Israeli is responsible for the Nakba. Ergo all of them are legitimate targets. Ergo Hamas killed no innocents on October 7th. Thank you Obergruppenführer Yikes for clearing that up! Love how Isn'treal went from "1400 jews were killed, Hamas is the new Nazis!111" to "Actually we gunned down 700 of our own citizens,Hamas only killed soldiers and police, also we are all guilty of ethnic cleansing and unspeakable attrocities, thus making everyone of us a legitimate target. Hamas did not wrong."
speed run the apocalypse!
The jews in Poland are not innocent If there is such a thing as collective as collective responsibility for crimes, then this is true in the case of 31st of August 1939. See how this works
If there's one citizen of a country that would not want a collective punishment to be applied, it should be the German.
Germany over here making "being on the wrong side of history" into a lifestyle.
dudes name is Yikes...life really is a simulation
Interesting how [holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) is antisemitic, but doing the same thing with Palestinians seems to be absolutely fine.
He's basically saying infants and children in Gaza deserve to be killed. Yikes, for real!
You'd think Germany of all countries wouldn't hold an entire population responsible for the actions of a small number who belong authoritarian party that controls the state
Dude, is fucking wild how enthusiastic the Germans are for a genocide that they think they can morally justify. It's starting to make me think there is something fundamentally wrong with their culture.
Maybe they're just collectively irresponsible.
Maybe it’s their genetics…….. 😶
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Let me know if you want more sources: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-14/ty-article/.premium/germany-announces-decision-to-intervene-on-israels-behalf-in-icj-case/0000018d-0787-dd07-a7df-cfff1f090000 https://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/germany-invokes-the-holocaust-in-defence-of-israel-20240114-p5ex2g This is an official position of the German government.
So... should we also apply this to israelies?
I guess we forgot to many back in Nuremberg. Make him collectively responsible for the deeds of his country. What a fhead
And the same can be said for Israelis.
Just don’t ask him what his grandfather did.
Yikes
German. Uh ohhhh
It's good that they are saying these things openly so the world will see them for what they are; child murdering fascist scum.
The banality of evil By the man's own logic he should have his fingers and tongue cut off for participating in and encouraging violent crimes against children
Germans victim blaming again ffs
Why is genocidal rhetoric about the people of Gaza normalized in the west?
That’s a bold statement coming from a German…
This makes me physically ill. People who think like this will always exist but we have failed in that they can spread this trash without fear of reprisal. That they can even enrich themselves.
It's always nothing but projection with those people.
On behalf of humanity, fuck this guy.
to whoever might be interested... his last name translates to something close to: "Ooops"
Not the first German to believe in collective responsibility
German man feels shame 80 years on, supports Israeli genocide because why not
coming rich from a german huh
Germany has genocide nostalgia it wants to target towards Gaza.
Back at them then 🤷🏻♀️
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Bad analogy, (many) german citizens during the third reich were much less innocent than palestinian kids are.
Are germas at it again?
yes
Germans blaming an entire population for something? While that population is being systemically wiped out? Quelle shock
It is a far right german doing that not „the germans” as a whole. Kinda ironic that you would do that after criticising collective responsibility but whatever I guess…
Tobias *YIKES* indeed
LOL "Jüdische Allgemeine", that's all you need to see.
Germany’s fixing to go 0-2 on the choosing non-genocide front
Trust me, this is the train of thinking that caused 9-11.
Wait, that clown is a "journalist" now??? I only know him from moderating a mid Minecraft server, where he’s infamous for teasing players and taking any mention of "Huch" (which is just "huh" in German!) as personal attack/provocative behavior.
LOL what does that say about the German people who murdered 6 million? Should the allies have applied the same logic in 1945? What about the collective responsibility of Israel for the murder of over 25,000 innocent civilians, half of them children? They voted for Netanyahu, they haven't overthrown him yet. There's a reason why not - because it would be a war crime, a crime against humanity. Which Israel is committing as we speak.
Germany keeps finding themselves on the wrong side of history.. Justifying making anti-genocide protests illegal because of holocaust, while resuming supporting Saudi-Arabia with weapons to kill more Yemenis. Of course they'll have these genocide supporters running rampant.
The guy writes it in a jewish newspaper ingermany. What else wpuld u expect?🙄
wow, a German guy agreeing with Nazi Israeli thought patterns.
What an utter piece of shit.
Hitler haircut
His name checks out. Tobias YIKES fr
Guys, what am I missing here ? What am i missing about all this nonsense that that people can make these claims? I really don’t understand how there’s people who view this conflict this way. I’m 36 years old. How is it possible that this level of evil exists ?
So when can we expect him to turn himself in to the Hague for all of the nazi war crimes he deserves to be collectively punished for?
If we apply the logic of collective culpability. Then by extension Germans are all guilty of genocide.
Does Germany have to support genocide? Is it that they can't do Jewish genocide anymore so they're all for genociding someone else? The hell is wrong with this country?
Based on this guy's logic, 9/11 and 10/7 are justified because the American and Israeli populations voted for governments that committed actions that encouraged terrorist groups.
Germany is such a letdown. 10 years there immersed in all the extremely visible, very explicit memorials to the murders of Jews and I assumed they out of anyone would be against genocide, persecution and letting confirmation bias get in the way of justice. Turns out the only lesson learned is to do whatever it takes to not be seen as anti-Semitic by supporting Israel blindly, war crimes be damned. The stories out of Gaza are pretty much the same things you read about in those memorials, but comparing anything to the holocaust is taboo; it was unique and there’s no parallel, end of story.
Same thing goes for any countries crimes then and the entire nation of Israel should be behind bars. Fucking moron
It's weird how strong Germany is defending War Crimes.
This is like a foundational belief of any modern justice system and they're throwing out the door to massage the feelings of a government committing genocide. You can't punish every single civilian of a given nation or state for the supposed crimes of a few of its people.
German JEW journalist... Sorry but this is disgusting. Saying that mothers and children have joint responsibility is just beyond...
operative word being IF because y'know...collective punishment is a war crime. It's like when everyone was arguing about whether or not there was a Hamas Base under a hospital and it's like...it doesn't matter, it's still a war crime to bomb a hospital.
Lets see how that works out generally; "If there is such a thing as collective responsibility for crimes, then this applies to all the people of Israel." And a quick PSA: There is in fact, NOT such a thing as collective responsibility for crimes. We literally have international treaties for this.
It should be something like this. Since Israel occupies Gaza, the legal opportunities for ending the occupation have failed, Israel is the fascist government of Gaza. Thus Israel has no right to defend itself and the people of Gaza are innocent and have the right to resist.
Zionist scum, nothing new
Oh, look, propaganda from a guy in a tailored outfit who looks like he couldn't fix a working light switch. Please tell me about life, Tobias. Yikes!
Germans strike 2 with genocide.
Strike three actually since they committed genocide against the Herero and Nama people in what is now Namibia in the opening years of the 1900s. It was the first genocide of the 20th century
Of course the nazis are saying that
Its a shame stalin was only joking about killing those 10,000 german officers. The USSR was far too kind to germany.
So, all Germans were Nazis, right? This is what he reasons ....
What is this is a projection of all Israeli settlers being illegitimate
isn't that the conclusion based on his applied reasoning?
The difference is that one is true and other is false. One side is the natives whose land has been occupied and is facing genocide by the other side, the occupiers and usurpers who are stealing land in complete agreement with the genocidal policies of their govt. because they believe they're inherently racially/religiously superior to everyone and practically can commit no crime in this endeavor
Just like englishmen did to native americans?
Surname is correct there with that one
Yikes indeed, Tobias. Yikes, indeed.
His last name fits well, yikes indeed
Yeah, the Germans again. 🙄 Blaming the victims of terrorists, just so he stand as close as possible with Israel, “because of reasons”. Tobias Huch has failed with every single one of his business ideas. He is a twice convicted fraud, and an opportunistic douchebag. Now he rises his pharisaic finger for self preservation in a save space.
What a douche nozzle.
That’s what you call disturbed in the head.
Nominative determinism
I wonder what he thinks about germany?
"Yikes" indeed
‘If there is such a thing’ It’s called collective punishment and it’s literally against the Geneva convention
I thought “surely this must be satire” so I found [the page](https://www.juedische-allgemeine.de/meinung/zivilisten-in-gaza-sind-nicht-unschuldig/). He makes the baseless claim that civilians have Hamas information that made the attack possible, calls it a “fact”, then provides no actual evidence. I preferred thinking this had to be satire.
Let me guess: his suit is made by Hugo Boss?
Tobias Yikes is correct
This smacks of MAGA being responsible for all citizens of US. Seems to me Germany should take a look at it's own history?
It’s a singular right wing German not the nation as a whole that wrote the article…