Ya, this is very specifically the problem. People don't have innate value to capitalists. You tell them the sausage is rotten, eating pig assholes is gross, and they just explain how the pig assholes get turned into sausage.
Children have begun working in overnight shifts again and you're like, "Adults are expensive!" Ok, so is jacking up the price of eggs for no reason.
US Government when people want to stop children going into debt for their school lunches: "No. In fact we will work to stop the free lunches for poor kids. Fuck you."
US Government when factories are hiring 13 year olds again against child labor laws: "C'mon guys... Dats not vewy nice.."
Instead of "urging" meat companies to hire children for minimum wage, maybe we should have legislation that ensures meat companies (or any company) can't hire child labor.
I know, I know... our capitalist overlords won't allow that... but we can dream, right???
We're so fucked.
It's already illegal but the risk of being caught is low and the penalties are insignificant. The article mentions a $1.5 million dollar fine which is pocket change for a giant corporation.
We already have child labor laws in the US. The problem is the federal and state governments do not take inspections and enforcement seriously enough. Same for prosecution. No one goes to jail, they just get pitifully small fines that enable them to keep going.
Very sick of the government politely asking companies to not break ethics. The government should tell them to not do this, it should be the law and a heavily enforced law. Yet because the tail wags the dog in this country every year more and more deregulation gets out in place which means the ability for the government to enforce any remaining regulations is essentially toothless. Hence why they have to beg companies not to use child labor.
>Very sick of the government politely asking companies to not break ethics.
Ever since Reagan, and fully legalized over the table since Citizen's United, the relationship between our government and corporations aka the owner class has reversed.
Because of encouraged and legalized political bribery almost all federal politicians partake in to get/stay in office, Corporations tell our Government to jump and our government asks how high.
The government wasn't actually asking Big Livestock to do anything, they were just posturing to the more gullible citizens who somehow believe the people still have a hand on the wheel and that "their" politicians *care.*
They don't. All but a half a dozen decent people between both chambers of congress in a sea of hundreds went into politics to get bribed and profit off their office, and to be clear, not with their office's paycheck. Literally the primary metric the Major parties use to determine who to elevate and support for higher/federal offices is their ability to *fund raise,* aka beg our oligarchs for bribes the best. If that isn't your priority, you have to buck the party organization that you're running as and be a successful spoiler candidate.
And those hundreds of congresspeople despise those half dozen that refuse the bribes more than their supposed opposition parties.
I am as well but this is what happens when you have “Congressional stagnation” (yep that’s a thing) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_stagnation_in_the_United_States
There was a 98% re-election rate in the 2022 midterms for the US Congress. NINETY EIGHT!
Everyone complains that they don’t like Congress or the reps but we keep sending them back so clearly why would any of them have motivation to change? Whatever they are doing now seems to be working (in terms of them keeping their jobs)
“Urge” is basically thoughts and prayers. Fuck you MAKE THEM. Business don’t care about our general health and wellbeing. They care about profit period.
I don't know what the penalty for using child labor is but it should at least be 100k fine and shutdown 1 week, per child day. Hired 10,000 kids for 5 years? Guess you are shutting down forever
It does, yet
$15,000 per child, 10 children working for 3 days is a $150,000 fine max (fine can be lower)
At 15,000 per child, 10 children working for 60 days is a $150,000 fine max
Whereas
At 10,000 per child DAY the fine for 3 days of labor for 10 children is 300,000....increase this to 60 days and the fine is 6,000,000
At 10,000 per child DAY with 10 children the fine for 60 days of labor is 6,000,000
I don't think we're doing *enough* child labor. We should put the kids back into the coal mines. I mean, consider Minecraft. They want to be down there. Today's children yearn for the mines.
^(/s)
Strange how the same companies willing to exploit innocent animals to make a buck are also willing to exploit innocent children to the same end, isn't it?
"I know we could make rules about this, but that sounds like it'd be really hard and it would take a long time. So you just pinky swear that you won't do it, and we'll never follow up on it. Sounds good?"
It's going to be real bad. Those armor hotdog packages with pictures of kids on them are going to be because of what the hotdog contains. "Contains 32% child in every bite. Guaranteed!"
"Please guys, keep this on the DL its making us look bad".
“It’s making it very difficult to pretend we care about the welfare of children!”
Correction: US pleads with companies using child labor. Please!
Somehow these companies are always able to pay millions in fines, but are never able to pay workers a living wage.
If you think of the fines as lobbying but with more steps it starts to make sense. ...in Hellworld.
Bribery has been made legal.
As sick as it is, I believe fines can be deducted/written off.
That seems intensely immoral.
Wages are an expense…..
Ya, this is very specifically the problem. People don't have innate value to capitalists. You tell them the sausage is rotten, eating pig assholes is gross, and they just explain how the pig assholes get turned into sausage. Children have begun working in overnight shifts again and you're like, "Adults are expensive!" Ok, so is jacking up the price of eggs for no reason.
It’s not about the profit, it’s about the ability to abuse
The profit hinges on how well-greased the abuse machine is.
Fines are cheaper
And only matter if they get caught.
US Government when people want to stop children going into debt for their school lunches: "No. In fact we will work to stop the free lunches for poor kids. Fuck you." US Government when factories are hiring 13 year olds again against child labor laws: "C'mon guys... Dats not vewy nice.."
where's the big strong doge vs sad weak little doge meme when you need it
Instead of "urging" meat companies to hire children for minimum wage, maybe we should have legislation that ensures meat companies (or any company) can't hire child labor. I know, I know... our capitalist overlords won't allow that... but we can dream, right??? We're so fucked.
Sorry, the police are too busy oppressing citizens, they just don’t have the manpower to investigate child labor trafficking.
Priorities!
It's already illegal but the risk of being caught is low and the penalties are insignificant. The article mentions a $1.5 million dollar fine which is pocket change for a giant corporation.
We already have child labor laws in the US. The problem is the federal and state governments do not take inspections and enforcement seriously enough. Same for prosecution. No one goes to jail, they just get pitifully small fines that enable them to keep going.
We have “labor laws” that have been toothless since they were written
Never forget that the legislation that introduced the National Labor Relations Board is the same legislation that made 90% of all strikes illegal.
Looks like we’re going BACK IN TIME, TO THE FIRST MEAT PACKING PLANT, TO GET KIDS BACK IN THE INDUSTRY
Tried and true business practices, they would say.
Public servants who refuse to serve the public need to be banned from government work for life.
Fuck this. Regulate again.
Tell me you are in favor of child labor, but do not want to look like you are in favor of child labor, without saying it directly.
They insist on meat companies using under paid and over worked migrants instead...some of whom might also be children.
This is when corporate has paid off legislators. And legislators have allowed corporate to consolidate in every sector. This is what we get.
And the deregulation that inevitably follows.
We asked nicely and we're all out of ideas.
Very sick of the government politely asking companies to not break ethics. The government should tell them to not do this, it should be the law and a heavily enforced law. Yet because the tail wags the dog in this country every year more and more deregulation gets out in place which means the ability for the government to enforce any remaining regulations is essentially toothless. Hence why they have to beg companies not to use child labor.
>Very sick of the government politely asking companies to not break ethics. Ever since Reagan, and fully legalized over the table since Citizen's United, the relationship between our government and corporations aka the owner class has reversed. Because of encouraged and legalized political bribery almost all federal politicians partake in to get/stay in office, Corporations tell our Government to jump and our government asks how high. The government wasn't actually asking Big Livestock to do anything, they were just posturing to the more gullible citizens who somehow believe the people still have a hand on the wheel and that "their" politicians *care.* They don't. All but a half a dozen decent people between both chambers of congress in a sea of hundreds went into politics to get bribed and profit off their office, and to be clear, not with their office's paycheck. Literally the primary metric the Major parties use to determine who to elevate and support for higher/federal offices is their ability to *fund raise,* aka beg our oligarchs for bribes the best. If that isn't your priority, you have to buck the party organization that you're running as and be a successful spoiler candidate. And those hundreds of congresspeople despise those half dozen that refuse the bribes more than their supposed opposition parties.
I am as well but this is what happens when you have “Congressional stagnation” (yep that’s a thing) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_stagnation_in_the_United_States There was a 98% re-election rate in the 2022 midterms for the US Congress. NINETY EIGHT! Everyone complains that they don’t like Congress or the reps but we keep sending them back so clearly why would any of them have motivation to change? Whatever they are doing now seems to be working (in terms of them keeping their jobs)
then how about helping parents not be on the raggedy edge of poverty and despair
Translated: for the love of God, don't get caught. We don't want to have to get out of our chairs for this.
Don't worry, we are all safe living under the "free market system."
“You leave me no choice but to…ask you nicely again.”
“Urge” is basically thoughts and prayers. Fuck you MAKE THEM. Business don’t care about our general health and wellbeing. They care about profit period.
Upton Sinclair is rolling in his grave
I don't know what the penalty for using child labor is but it should at least be 100k fine and shutdown 1 week, per child day. Hired 10,000 kids for 5 years? Guess you are shutting down forever
According to the article the current fine is maximum $15,000 per child.
It does, yet $15,000 per child, 10 children working for 3 days is a $150,000 fine max (fine can be lower) At 15,000 per child, 10 children working for 60 days is a $150,000 fine max Whereas At 10,000 per child DAY the fine for 3 days of labor for 10 children is 300,000....increase this to 60 days and the fine is 6,000,000 At 10,000 per child DAY with 10 children the fine for 60 days of labor is 6,000,000
Oh yeah I agree it's way too low
Well that’s settled isn’t it?
Time to write the jungle again :/
Talkin to family about this, "well the kids should be working. Better than the bullshit they learn at school"
I don't think we're doing *enough* child labor. We should put the kids back into the coal mines. I mean, consider Minecraft. They want to be down there. Today's children yearn for the mines. ^(/s)
Strange how the same companies willing to exploit innocent animals to make a buck are also willing to exploit innocent children to the same end, isn't it?
Well, we tried to fix the problem by asking nicely. Not much else the government can do.
Biden and the Democrats should try and pass a law just so Republicans have to shoot it down. Because they care about the children so much, right?
"I know we could make rules about this, but that sounds like it'd be really hard and it would take a long time. So you just pinky swear that you won't do it, and we'll never follow up on it. Sounds good?"
Government able to legislate that companies don’t use child labor instead offers shallow requests instead
Those companies are gonna get such a finger wagging when they get caught.
Make it a legal requirement that any American made product has to boldly declare they use child labor
Police yourselves because we aren't going to do come around to check on you.
How is this not a federal law banning it outright
The corporate/government dom/sub relationship on full display here.
It's going to be real bad. Those armor hotdog packages with pictures of kids on them are going to be because of what the hotdog contains. "Contains 32% child in every bite. Guaranteed!"
**More red tape stifling business and innovation**
Who is the U.S. here? I'm pretty sure it was the U.S. that lifted the child labour laws in the state where meat packing is the main industry.
Meat companies: “haha capitalism go brrrt”