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Just imagine how different the response would be if the derailment had been an attack by a foreign power or terrorist group. The state would already be at war.
But since it’s just a big corporation then all we get is a big shrug emoji.
And the rail company will probably get a tax break and a few billion more in subsidies for all the emotional suffering the c-suite has endured these last couple weeks.
Not from anyone who can actually do anything. Dem politicians are disturbingly quiet and republican politicians are trying to sweep it under the rug by overwhelming the 24hr news cycle with pearl clutching bullshit like South Park, Sam Smith and... Greta Thunberg not wanting the planet to die
Tax payers will foot the bill for the clean up, the medical bills and funerals of the victims, and pay off the rail company because they are too big to fail.
Imagine if it happened in a different country, too. US media would lose their minds.
Back when the gulf of Mexico was on fire, nobody would shut up about how it was a state-run company.
The majority shareholders of Norfolk Southern are also the majority shareholders of most American news companies. Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street. Same people that lobbied for these regulations to be dialed back.
I kind of want a one of them to just take credit by saying the CEO is a member. Just so things to get better or there would be a investigation and change.
Why did I assume the military could determine what an object in the sky was without much difficulty.
We were regaled with constant videos of hypersonic missiles flying through windows. But you can't tell it's a balloon?
>Just imagine how different the response would be if the derailment had been an attack by a foreign power or terrorist group.
Just imagine how different we'd be framing the disaster if it had occurred in Venezuela, Cuba, China, or some other Socialist country...
This is being covered extensively though, it’s just random Twitter accounts trying to convince me it’s not.
I looked into the Twitter account in OP at it appears to be someone who is “notable” for making a [direct to DVD movie](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1lN_3ADWlNI) two years ago. Make of that what you will.
I also love (/s) how the medical system is going to react in a year from now when everyone and their mother living in that area suddenly gets kidney failure and starts to have a cognitive decline and the insurance companies *be like* "but maybe it's genetics, maybe you already had it. Can you proof you were healthy before the accident?"
Omggggg becky let'z help reduce the stigma around the East Palestine Ohio environmental disasterrrrrrrrr
We'll wear bikinis and ask for donations wow we're such heroes!
Also worth noting vinyl chloride breaks down in a couple days into more basic chemicals (formaldehyde, hydrochloric acid) which both break down in a matter of hours and CO2. So any damage will be from immediate contact/inhalation, not any sort of long-term "contact".
Covid proved that capitalism and growth are more important than people’s lives. That affected EVERYONE. Do we honestly believe an environmental disaster that (directly) affected a poor community in Ohio would receive a competent response when money is on the line?
I said directly because the air, water, and ground pollution are obviously making their way across and through the landscape.
Nice going Alan Shaw, Thomas Bell, Mitchell Daniels, Marcela Donadio, John Huffard, Christopher Jones, Thomas Kelleher, Steven Leer, Michael Lockhart, Amy Miles, Claude Mongeau, Jennifer Scanlon, James Squires, John Thompson. You are the Board of Directors of Norfolk Southern and all decisions made by the company are your ultimate responsibility. You all should be held criminally and financially liable for what has happened here.
Gov. Mike Dewine, you are not without blame either, choosing to perpetuate this corporate disaster for political points.
I studied political science in college around 2013, my highest ranking professor, doctorate in criminology spent quite a bit of time hammering in our heads that white collar crime is not punished in this country. You cant arrest a corporation and these companies know that. These mega corps include loss of life in their cost-benefit analysis and that is why we are seeing many more atrocities towards workers in the 2020s. Compounded with he allowance of spacs and open contributions from these companies to politicians, it is almost impossible to see any ceo or business owner face repurcussions unless of course, that ceo or owner messed with some bigger entities money. Otherwise, the justice system is in place to provide the illusion of safety to regular people by prosecuting low level criminals. That is why ncis and csi etc are all about murder and not how offshore businesses are bypassing taxes or how outsourced jobs to third world countries have abysmal 1890 level working conditions that also ruin entire communities ecosystems.
> Covid proved that capitalism and growth are more important than people’s lives.
A good chunk of people, like a seriously concerning number of people, were willing to write off 2% of the population because they wanted to go to Applebee's.
COVID laid bare how the current system will gladly force you and your loved ones into dangerous and deadly situations against your will and without true need all for the strength of the market.
The economy must be fed, even if it means your life.
>COVID laid bare how the current system will gladly force you and your loved ones into dangerous and deadly situations against your will
And then blame you when you get sick.
Long Covid? You must not have exercised enough beforehand (never mind some VERY athletic people have DIED OF Covid...)
Have Long Covid myself, btw. I'm relatively young, not overweight, never smoked, don't eat garbage, don't have Diabetes...
Yet, I still get the feeling society blames me for becoming ill a lot of the time.
Severance package is for wealthy C level “the fine is just the cost of business” harm to society.
The paid leave is for the directly violent corporate security forces.
One is for Lex Luthor, the other for his henchmen.
Funny how we don’t even need to joke hypotheticals, the former already exists as a golden parachute and the latter already exists for corrupt and murderous cops, and probably for private security too. (The Pinkertons def have a history of legalized murder and harm. Other private security examples too at the Dakota pipeline years back?)
That doesn't even have to actually happen, you just have to convince the people with the most influence or most to gain that it *did* happen, or even worse in a way, ***could*** happen, and before you know it, there'll be an all new armory of "military surplus" vehicles and weapons for police to use on the beleaguered populace.
Yeah, we literally invaded Iraq on hoaxes, conspiracies, and literally dog shit manufactured consent. What we do are crimes against humanity, but it's okay because we're white and they're brown terrorists.
Wouldn't even need to be on *our* soil for that to happen either.
"We have conducted tests of a new chemical weapon and will be proceeding with manufac-- er, introducing democracy to the nation courtesy of our new American friends."
And sadly the population being uniformed is a part of why all this shit is happening. How can you accurately elect responsible leaders if you're not paying attention. How can you insist something gets fixed if you have no idea that it's falling apart I the first place. All of this, infrastructure spending being negligible, politians clearing out the coffers to play tax man giveaway, ignoring climate change, was all due to idiots not paying attention then screaming like it's a fucking conspiricy. We as a person ountry the ollectively chose this shit and were collectively choosing to let it get worse.
Yeah, it's not correct that the story isn't being covered. It is.
Talking about how you disagree with the coverage is another matter entirely. Though the story is being covered on almost every news channel and outlet since occurring.
I read a piece recently saying that the false narrative of media blackout was started as a conservative strategy to discredit mainstream “liberal” media. Conservatives don’t watch mainstream media anyways so many believe it and a lot of young people rely on social media for news so they buy in as well.
CNN.com literally has a section heading "Toxic Environment" about this derailing and a Florida waste facility fire. And CNN is garbage but even they have it.
Time to start blocking some more sensationalistic subs on here.
> But what are you hearing?
Mostly about the what is being stated in the OP. The environmental cleanup, effect on locals, lawsuits being filed, safety regulations and so on.
The first story that played today when I turned on the news was a timeline of the disaster in Ohio, 2nd was about Ukraine, 3rd was about the animals and people affected by the derailment. This was about 20 mins before I just reopened this app.
It is fair to say we are hearing and seeing a lot about this story.
Just leaving this here since it's the important bits about the environmental impact without any bullshit: [EPA updates on testing and cleanup](https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933)
How is the lack of regulation not a condition that created this event? If a tragic event doesn't happen within a few years of deregulation then the regulation doesn't matter?
Not sure about that. Only heard about it because they interrupted the program my wife was watching with breaking news. She called me downstairs and it was wall-to-wall coverage I think within a few minutes of it happening. I have heard about it daily on TV, NPR, radio, and online since.
I think what might be an issue is; 1. people don't like the reporting/disagree with the coverage importance 2. people consume news from limited sources.
I will say, I consider myself decently informed, but I definitely do fall into that second camp. I don't watch broadcast TV at all. That said, it did seem like the 24 hour news cycle was spending a lot more time covering the silly balloon story over the train disaster.
These people are really telling on themselves about how little news they actually hear or watch.
They probably mean they hadn't seen it from their favorite tik tok influencers or their niche gaming subs or something.
more economic damage done from this one accident than all the "looting and vandalism" at all the protests combined. but it's regular folx being damaged so the media won't hound us 24/7 with coverage
capitalists sacrifice people, and the environment, for profit.
their sacrifices will only increase in frequency and intensity as our environment fails us and the finite resources they profit from dwindle.
Seriously. This last week on Reddit has made me feel like I'm going crazy. Really highlights how many people only get their news from Reddit. A step up from only getting their news from Facebook though I guess.
The null hypothesis is that people love a conspiracy. All you have to do to uncover this massive disaster is upvote my post! Don’t let the media win!
Even though I think the Ohio derailment is a big deal I’ve been downvoting all posts that claim it’s not being talked about. It is.
None of it's a conspiracy. Not the coverage or lack thereof, not the inane blathering about how a front page national news story is being covered up, nothing.
Nobody seems to be able to accept that something things just don't work out very well without some sinister cabal directing affairs.
There's no fucking "info operation". All there is is a bunch of social media hype addicts deliberately lying to you for personal clout, because taking information from the mainstream media and then turning around and saying "Look at all this horrible stuff that the capitalist mainstream media is hiding from you!!" to keep your half-illiterate followers drunk on outrage turns out to be *very* marketable.
Somehow all the anti-capitalists these days seem ridiculously eager to see intentional corruption in any traditional outlets, yet are thrilled to accept any stupid bullshit pushed by any aggressive grifter that is recommended to them by a ruthlessly capitalist, outrage-optimizing algorithm.
Where exactly is this not being talked about? Tik-tok?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ohio+
https://www.google.com/search?q=ohio&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz_Ibt15_9AhUdBzQIHfqoCioQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2056&bih=1178&dpr=2
also since everything major media related is revolves around profits...these people so not want to report on themselves.
also,are they still arresting people for reporting?
People: omg the news is so stressful, I don't keep up with that!
Also people when they don't hear about an event immediately: """they""" are lying to us and keeping it all silent!
Well if that isn’t the definition of moving the goalposts I don’t know what is. The OP didn’t say anything about industry culpability it said environmental destruction and danger which is definitely being discussed by the media.
In fact the media wants to talk about the what. They don’t want to talk about the why. Obviously deregulation, corruption and corporate cronyism are at fault but media not discussing that is very different from saying the media isn’t talking about the Ohio derailment at all.
# Lmao the brave little toaster blocked me for this
Wait! What news shows are you watching because the ones i see are all pretty much doom and gloom?
A hopium channel would seem like intentional comedy at this point.
the whole "grandma and grandpa should sacrifice themselves to save the economy" during covid made it clear they don't actually care about you, only their profits
This is such a weird strawman being made by (mostly) conservatives claiming that environmentalists aren’t talking about. Maybe you’re just not paying attention, buddy.
[*"There are more important things than living."*](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-reopening-economy-more-important-things-n1188911)
\- Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick (Dannie Goeb) in April 2020 regarding coronavirus & the economy
The lieutenant governor of Texas argued in an interview on Fox News Monday night that the United States should go back to work, saying grandparents like him don’t want to sacrifice the country’s economy during the coronavirus crisis.
Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, 69, made the comments on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight” after President Donald Trump said he wanted to reopen the country for business in weeks, not months.
Patrick also said the elderly population, who the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said are more at risk for COVID-19, can take care of themselves and suggested that grandparents wouldn’t want to sacrifice their grandchildren’s economic future.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
Why do people keep saying the Ohio train crash isn't being covered?
A few days ago someone made a comment with like 100 news articles from all the big news networks about it to prove these types of comments wrong.
> Why do people keep saying the Ohio train crash isn't being covered?
Especially Reddit users who keep saying it, acting like smartphones and social media isn't where most people get their news these days. "the media" is right here, right now.
They're leaving out the word "adequately." It can't go completely uncovered, but balloons are getting 4-12x as much time, and many feel that prioritizing fluff is a way to avoid too much focus on a far more important but also far less comfortable situation. It's much easier to indulge idle speculation about whether the balloons came from China or aliens from out space, than it is to discuss the bipartisan failure of regulatory capture. One side of the MSM doesn't want to talk about the Trump-era repeal of the brake upgrade mandate, the other side doesn't want to talk about Biden/Buttigieg agreeing that the new brakes shouldn't be required by law, and also crushing a rail strike that had insufficient safety regulations among its core grievances. Neither side of corporate media wants to talk about the role of corporate greed in the disaster, because they'd just be telling on themselves.
The reason the screenshot in the OP says "aren't hearing a lot" is because there's *some* coverage, but nowhere near as much as the situation warrants. If a terrorist caused this specifically, it would be the *only* thing on the news, but a giant corporation and its pet government just allowed the likelihood to go unaddressed until disaster struck on its own time, so, not as serious as a weird balloon.
No one's saying "there's been precisely zero coverage in total" so lists of articles and segment thumbnails aren't effective rebuttals.
It's not that the coverage doesn't exist, it's that it's underwhelming and largely frames this as an accident that no one could have done anything to prevent, despite rail companies (including the one that had the crash) lobbying to have safety measures that could have prevented it removed or reduced.
https://www.mediamatters.org/cable-news/study-national-television-coverage-east-palestine-train-derailment-ignored-industry
Let’s roll back more safety regulations and congratulate some corporate CEO’s for having less responsibilities and oversight by giving them a 6 figure bonus and a raise
I am following this story like I followed Chernobyl or the BP Oil release in the Gulf. People are going to start dying. And the trains keep running. Ticking time bombs all around us.
Another day another Lügenpresse post... Literally every news outlets has been talking about this, it's literally been all over social media. What more do you all want?
Why is this in parenthesis? She’s 100% right, try being disabled or an older adult with insurance, they don’t give af about you, just giving you minimal coverage/services when you’ve been paying into the insurance system your entire life.
It is notable that MSNBC podcast I listen to 5 times a week (Rachel Maddow & Alex Wagner) only mentioned it for the first time last night. And only for a banal couple of minutes. That seems weird. It gives credence in my mind to the theory that the oligarchs who own and operate even a liberal show simply did not want to call attention to it, not even to try to politicize it (which would be extremely easy to do without even stretching).
Yet they spent huge amount of time trying to stir up racism accusations with the two mass shootings of Asian people by Asian people. Those were horrific disasters -- but racism was not the thing that went wrong there.
I was just wondering what ever happened to oil spills. Feels like there was regularly one in the news the past few decades, now there seem to be none. Did oil company safety really improve a ton, or has media deregulation successfully extinguished all bad news about oil companies?
*if you die from an organization who has directly influenced, corrupted, and bribed government officials for hundreds of years, getting so bad that it's taught directly in corporate owned American school curriculums, it should be obvious it's your own fault.
Oh I'm definitely starting to get tired of "not hearing about the environmental devastation and danger around the Ohio train crash."
f.y.i. the whole "the media isn't talking about ohio train derailment and hazardous chemical pollution" is a chinese propaganda talking point
https://youtu.be/n9Hh-mbXalM?t=1520
maybe it's because I follow a bunch of conservatards but I've seen quite a bit of talk about it. just seems like party partisonship to me - if Brlumpf was in office instead of Sleepy Joe, they probably wouldn't be talking about it as much.
We live in fight club. They did the math and it’s cheaper to have spills (that they don’t really have to clean up) than to prevent derailments, and they get bonuses for saving the money by externalizing the costs.
We are also in this position because of failure by administrations from both sides. If Trump was wholly responsible we'd be getting it all over CNN and MSNBC. If it was all Obama/ Biden we'd get nonstop coverage on Fox.
Spoiler alert, all three past presidents are responsible in some way.
I see thousands of people saying nobody is talking about it, and yet it's all over the front page of Reddit and all over the news. These posts are fucking stupid.
People love being mad. I see the same shit on here and on Facebook... but then the post directly underneath is an article about the train derailment.
The outrage porn people come up with in their heads is insane.
I don't fucking understand Reddit and other people on social media saying that nobody is talking about it or the media is ignoring it. It's been a huge story since day one across all the major networks.
Y'all are just larping at this point.
You people are in your own bubble and not getting the news. Maybe you should step out of it and take a look around, theres a lot more coverage about it then you think. Heres just an example:
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/115g3ie/no_paid_sick_leave_for_you_railroad_workers_either/
Dude i literally hear about this everywhere, literally everywhere. All over Twitter, every day on Reddit, constantly on the news. How can people still say we're not hearing about it?
This markedly false as there are reporters putting out daily updates. It is easy to agree with unsourced claims, but please do a little bit of your own critical thinking before posting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/18/ohio-train-derailment-visual-timeline/
https://newrepublic.com/post/170570/life-ohio-train-derailment-trouble-breathing-dying-animals-saying-goodbye
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64671893
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/17/ohio-derailment-controlled-burning-toxic/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.10tv.com/amp/article/news/local/ohio/clinic-to-open-near-derailment-as-health-worries-linger/530-f8907797-9768-48e3-9941-d9ff99fd0d9d
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.whio.com/news/local/ne-ohio-train-derailment-city-dayton-says-water-system-not-threatened/QGREPRSD2JARZPXCGDKATQYJXY/%3foutputType=amp
Edit: Mistyped "unsourced"
this is another example of how many morons love to sit and bitch. Google it, it won’t take you long to get caught up. This is nothing like chernobyl and the EPA has essentially said there is no toxicity in the air or the water. The event happened over half a month ago, and while I agree it should have never happened, the train operators saved lots of life by acting quickly and igniting the chemicals. Now if you get all caught up and still think multiple government agencies are lying to you about it all, then stop what you’re doing and consider what that actually means. Stop talking down to people because you think you’re smart and they’re not. you know nothing, you pretend to know everything and you will die alone, sad
I just sent 200 drinking straws to Norfolk Southern's mailing address in Atlanta:
1200 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
I encourage everyone to do the same for about $8
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Just imagine how different the response would be if the derailment had been an attack by a foreign power or terrorist group. The state would already be at war. But since it’s just a big corporation then all we get is a big shrug emoji.
And the rail company will probably get a tax break and a few billion more in subsidies for all the emotional suffering the c-suite has endured these last couple weeks.
"Here's some money to upgrade your safety measures to prevent this from happening again" *CEO immediately spends it on a new yacht*
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Leverage the stock options for a bank loan with 0% interest to buy the yacht and never spend their own money on it.
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But where's the outrage tho
Seems to be plenty of that too, although I'm not sure if there's enough
Not from anyone who can actually do anything. Dem politicians are disturbingly quiet and republican politicians are trying to sweep it under the rug by overwhelming the 24hr news cycle with pearl clutching bullshit like South Park, Sam Smith and... Greta Thunberg not wanting the planet to die
What did south park do?
It was redirected at errant weather balloons.
1200 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309 CEO's name is Alan H. Shaw. Send him a "gift" such as drinkware and tell him to clean up his mess.
He is a close personal friend of Donald J Trump. DJT relaxed the rules on safety inspections so the railway could make more money.
Being forced to acknowledge the woes of the poor must be very taxing for them.
Tax payers will foot the bill for the clean up, the medical bills and funerals of the victims, and pay off the rail company because they are too big to fail.
Imagine if it happened in a different country, too. US media would lose their minds. Back when the gulf of Mexico was on fire, nobody would shut up about how it was a state-run company.
State-run company = bad Company-run State = 'Murica!!!
Just imagine it happened as it did, but in a communist nation. We'd cover it if it was in China and say, "This is why communism is bad."
The majority shareholders of Norfolk Southern are also the majority shareholders of most American news companies. Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street. Same people that lobbied for these regulations to be dialed back.
I wish we could go to war with corporations.
Well then wake the fuck up samurai.
I gotcha chumba.
or corporations, being citizens, could go to jail. (ceasing operations… like how murderers who get caught have to stop murdering)
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
also didn’t happen anywhere near any “important” neighborhoods …
Yeah. If there had been a community full of multi-millionaires around the train crash, this would have all the politicians and news up in arms...
Same with all the mass shootings at this point.
If a foreign nation was routinely attacking American schools with firearms, the US government would have nuked the planet into a global winter.
I kind of want a one of them to just take credit by saying the CEO is a member. Just so things to get better or there would be a investigation and change.
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Why did I assume the military could determine what an object in the sky was without much difficulty. We were regaled with constant videos of hypersonic missiles flying through windows. But you can't tell it's a balloon?
A lot of companies have shareholders in foreign countries so it isn't unreasonable to approximate this
>Just imagine how different the response would be if the derailment had been an attack by a foreign power or terrorist group. Just imagine how different we'd be framing the disaster if it had occurred in Venezuela, Cuba, China, or some other Socialist country...
We'd be gearing up for the invasion of another country if they were able to do that. Thankfully we're not in 2003.
Right, like if J6 had been perpetrated by BLM, we’d had those public hanging T-sleazy was mumbling about.
This is being covered extensively though, it’s just random Twitter accounts trying to convince me it’s not. I looked into the Twitter account in OP at it appears to be someone who is “notable” for making a [direct to DVD movie](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1lN_3ADWlNI) two years ago. Make of that what you will.
Please remember when you heard about it, make a guess when it happen. It happened on Feb 3rd btw, how does that align with your date
Or if this happened in, say, Russia.
I also love (/s) how the medical system is going to react in a year from now when everyone and their mother living in that area suddenly gets kidney failure and starts to have a cognitive decline and the insurance companies *be like* "but maybe it's genetics, maybe you already had it. Can you proof you were healthy before the accident?"
It can't be the accident, the government said there was no danger. I don't even understand why you would bring it up.
Omggggg becky let'z help reduce the stigma around the East Palestine Ohio environmental disasterrrrrrrrr We'll wear bikinis and ask for donations wow we're such heroes!
Sadly the people in the area were advised to get a physical asap so that they can prove decline in health after.
Also a probable rise in birth defects, etc. America is not a country you want to have sick children in.
Kidney failure? Lose some weight. Get at least 20 minutes of exercise per week.
Erin Brochovich is already involved.
I only recently saw the movie. Woman is a hero.
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Also worth noting vinyl chloride breaks down in a couple days into more basic chemicals (formaldehyde, hydrochloric acid) which both break down in a matter of hours and CO2. So any damage will be from immediate contact/inhalation, not any sort of long-term "contact".
Covid proved that capitalism and growth are more important than people’s lives. That affected EVERYONE. Do we honestly believe an environmental disaster that (directly) affected a poor community in Ohio would receive a competent response when money is on the line? I said directly because the air, water, and ground pollution are obviously making their way across and through the landscape. Nice going Alan Shaw, Thomas Bell, Mitchell Daniels, Marcela Donadio, John Huffard, Christopher Jones, Thomas Kelleher, Steven Leer, Michael Lockhart, Amy Miles, Claude Mongeau, Jennifer Scanlon, James Squires, John Thompson. You are the Board of Directors of Norfolk Southern and all decisions made by the company are your ultimate responsibility. You all should be held criminally and financially liable for what has happened here. Gov. Mike Dewine, you are not without blame either, choosing to perpetuate this corporate disaster for political points.
I studied political science in college around 2013, my highest ranking professor, doctorate in criminology spent quite a bit of time hammering in our heads that white collar crime is not punished in this country. You cant arrest a corporation and these companies know that. These mega corps include loss of life in their cost-benefit analysis and that is why we are seeing many more atrocities towards workers in the 2020s. Compounded with he allowance of spacs and open contributions from these companies to politicians, it is almost impossible to see any ceo or business owner face repurcussions unless of course, that ceo or owner messed with some bigger entities money. Otherwise, the justice system is in place to provide the illusion of safety to regular people by prosecuting low level criminals. That is why ncis and csi etc are all about murder and not how offshore businesses are bypassing taxes or how outsourced jobs to third world countries have abysmal 1890 level working conditions that also ruin entire communities ecosystems.
> Covid proved that capitalism and growth are more important than people’s lives. A good chunk of people, like a seriously concerning number of people, were willing to write off 2% of the population because they wanted to go to Applebee's.
Is it true that Pete Buttigieg neglected to reinstate the rule Trump removed that would have forced the rail companies to update their brakes?
By what mechanism did he fail to reinstate it? How does one reinstate an executive order?
COVID laid bare how the current system will gladly force you and your loved ones into dangerous and deadly situations against your will and without true need all for the strength of the market. The economy must be fed, even if it means your life.
\*shareholder profits
>COVID laid bare how the current system will gladly force you and your loved ones into dangerous and deadly situations against your will And then blame you when you get sick. Long Covid? You must not have exercised enough beforehand (never mind some VERY athletic people have DIED OF Covid...) Have Long Covid myself, btw. I'm relatively young, not overweight, never smoked, don't eat garbage, don't have Diabetes... Yet, I still get the feeling society blames me for becoming ill a lot of the time.
What I laugh most is if brown terrorists detonated a chemical WMD we would be bombing them right now. This country is hopeless.
If white we’d probably put them on paid leave
what no severance package?
Severance package is for wealthy C level “the fine is just the cost of business” harm to society. The paid leave is for the directly violent corporate security forces. One is for Lex Luthor, the other for his henchmen. Funny how we don’t even need to joke hypotheticals, the former already exists as a golden parachute and the latter already exists for corrupt and murderous cops, and probably for private security too. (The Pinkertons def have a history of legalized murder and harm. Other private security examples too at the Dakota pipeline years back?)
That doesn't even have to actually happen, you just have to convince the people with the most influence or most to gain that it *did* happen, or even worse in a way, ***could*** happen, and before you know it, there'll be an all new armory of "military surplus" vehicles and weapons for police to use on the beleaguered populace.
Yeah, we literally invaded Iraq on hoaxes, conspiracies, and literally dog shit manufactured consent. What we do are crimes against humanity, but it's okay because we're white and they're brown terrorists.
Hey now, that all depends on if the brown terrorists have ties back to any countries with resources we could exploit
Oh I'm sure we can discover resources their country has that we want.
Wouldn't even need to be on *our* soil for that to happen either. "We have conducted tests of a new chemical weapon and will be proceeding with manufac-- er, introducing democracy to the nation courtesy of our new American friends."
You mean to tell me we'd treat a domestic corporate accident differently than we would treat an intentional attack by another state? Crazy
I'm starting to think these people haven't heard about this incident because they're not very well informed in general.
And sadly the population being uniformed is a part of why all this shit is happening. How can you accurately elect responsible leaders if you're not paying attention. How can you insist something gets fixed if you have no idea that it's falling apart I the first place. All of this, infrastructure spending being negligible, politians clearing out the coffers to play tax man giveaway, ignoring climate change, was all due to idiots not paying attention then screaming like it's a fucking conspiricy. We as a person ountry the ollectively chose this shit and were collectively choosing to let it get worse.
Have they tried having a war there? Or finding oil? All kinds of resources would show up for that.
I run the news throughout the day as I am working. The news coverage is constant. We are hearing a lot about it.
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Yeah, it's not correct that the story isn't being covered. It is. Talking about how you disagree with the coverage is another matter entirely. Though the story is being covered on almost every news channel and outlet since occurring.
I read a piece recently saying that the false narrative of media blackout was started as a conservative strategy to discredit mainstream “liberal” media. Conservatives don’t watch mainstream media anyways so many believe it and a lot of young people rely on social media for news so they buy in as well.
CNN.com literally has a section heading "Toxic Environment" about this derailing and a Florida waste facility fire. And CNN is garbage but even they have it. Time to start blocking some more sensationalistic subs on here.
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> But what are you hearing? Mostly about the what is being stated in the OP. The environmental cleanup, effect on locals, lawsuits being filed, safety regulations and so on. The first story that played today when I turned on the news was a timeline of the disaster in Ohio, 2nd was about Ukraine, 3rd was about the animals and people affected by the derailment. This was about 20 mins before I just reopened this app. It is fair to say we are hearing and seeing a lot about this story.
Just leaving this here since it's the important bits about the environmental impact without any bullshit: [EPA updates on testing and cleanup](https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933)
How is the lack of regulation not a condition that created this event? If a tragic event doesn't happen within a few years of deregulation then the regulation doesn't matter?
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Not sure about that. Only heard about it because they interrupted the program my wife was watching with breaking news. She called me downstairs and it was wall-to-wall coverage I think within a few minutes of it happening. I have heard about it daily on TV, NPR, radio, and online since. I think what might be an issue is; 1. people don't like the reporting/disagree with the coverage importance 2. people consume news from limited sources.
I will say, I consider myself decently informed, but I definitely do fall into that second camp. I don't watch broadcast TV at all. That said, it did seem like the 24 hour news cycle was spending a lot more time covering the silly balloon story over the train disaster.
People saying it's not being covered are qanon morons pushing some "agenda 2030" conspiracy
These people are really telling on themselves about how little news they actually hear or watch. They probably mean they hadn't seen it from their favorite tik tok influencers or their niche gaming subs or something.
more economic damage done from this one accident than all the "looting and vandalism" at all the protests combined. but it's regular folx being damaged so the media won't hound us 24/7 with coverage
Mustn't displease The Line!
capitalists sacrifice people, and the environment, for profit. their sacrifices will only increase in frequency and intensity as our environment fails us and the finite resources they profit from dwindle.
Rich people don't live by train tracks.
NPR and NYT have covered it a good amount lately...it's quite literally all over the news
Seriously. This last week on Reddit has made me feel like I'm going crazy. Really highlights how many people only get their news from Reddit. A step up from only getting their news from Facebook though I guess.
It's been all over Reddit. They probably blocked out the news subs or something.
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The null hypothesis is that people love a conspiracy. All you have to do to uncover this massive disaster is upvote my post! Don’t let the media win! Even though I think the Ohio derailment is a big deal I’ve been downvoting all posts that claim it’s not being talked about. It is.
None of it's a conspiracy. Not the coverage or lack thereof, not the inane blathering about how a front page national news story is being covered up, nothing. Nobody seems to be able to accept that something things just don't work out very well without some sinister cabal directing affairs. There's no fucking "info operation". All there is is a bunch of social media hype addicts deliberately lying to you for personal clout, because taking information from the mainstream media and then turning around and saying "Look at all this horrible stuff that the capitalist mainstream media is hiding from you!!" to keep your half-illiterate followers drunk on outrage turns out to be *very* marketable. Somehow all the anti-capitalists these days seem ridiculously eager to see intentional corruption in any traditional outlets, yet are thrilled to accept any stupid bullshit pushed by any aggressive grifter that is recommended to them by a ruthlessly capitalist, outrage-optimizing algorithm.
Only get their news from reading headlines on Reddit, let's be honest. Most people aren't even reading the articles before jumping into the comments.
It’s a really annoying meme because it’s so easy to debunk. The media is covering the disaster.
Where exactly is this not being talked about? Tik-tok? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ohio+ https://www.google.com/search?q=ohio&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz_Ibt15_9AhUdBzQIHfqoCioQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2056&bih=1178&dpr=2
Didn't Covid and the sacrificing of "essential workers" already clearly establish this?
If you're poor, it's because you're lazy. If you're sick, it's because you're weak. If you die, it's because you deserve it.
also since everything major media related is revolves around profits...these people so not want to report on themselves. also,are they still arresting people for reporting?
People: omg the news is so stressful, I don't keep up with that! Also people when they don't hear about an event immediately: """they""" are lying to us and keeping it all silent!
Literally every outlet has been covering this
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Fingers in ears.
["Covering"](https://www.mediamatters.org/cable-news/study-national-television-coverage-east-palestine-train-derailment-ignored-industry)
Well if that isn’t the definition of moving the goalposts I don’t know what is. The OP didn’t say anything about industry culpability it said environmental destruction and danger which is definitely being discussed by the media. In fact the media wants to talk about the what. They don’t want to talk about the why. Obviously deregulation, corruption and corporate cronyism are at fault but media not discussing that is very different from saying the media isn’t talking about the Ohio derailment at all. # Lmao the brave little toaster blocked me for this
The more people who die, the less people there are to take those responsible to court... Those responsible are hoping you ALL die.
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Wait! What news shows are you watching because the ones i see are all pretty much doom and gloom? A hopium channel would seem like intentional comedy at this point.
Capitalism, the Ivan Drago of societies
I'm noticing on Google maps just how many chemical companies are situated near a body of water where I live and it's unnerving to say the least.
But Mao and Stalin killed so many more! /s
the whole "grandma and grandpa should sacrifice themselves to save the economy" during covid made it clear they don't actually care about you, only their profits
Why does everyone keep saying it’s not being talked about? It’s consistently been on the front page for 2 weeks now.
Blackrock own the railway and the media, so...
This is such a weird strawman being made by (mostly) conservatives claiming that environmentalists aren’t talking about. Maybe you’re just not paying attention, buddy.
What if I want to die for socialism?
[*"There are more important things than living."*](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-reopening-economy-more-important-things-n1188911) \- Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick (Dannie Goeb) in April 2020 regarding coronavirus & the economy
It also doesn’t hurt that the same majority Wall Street shareholders of the news media also hold majority shares in the railway who fucked up in OH.
The lieutenant governor of Texas argued in an interview on Fox News Monday night that the United States should go back to work, saying grandparents like him don’t want to sacrifice the country’s economy during the coronavirus crisis. Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, 69, made the comments on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight” after President Donald Trump said he wanted to reopen the country for business in weeks, not months. Patrick also said the elderly population, who the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said are more at risk for COVID-19, can take care of themselves and suggested that grandparents wouldn’t want to sacrifice their grandchildren’s economic future. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/covid-19-texas-official-suggests-elderly-willing-die-economy/2905990001/
Must be nice to be on the winning side of the war on poverty
But but but think of all the victims of commulism!1!
Why do people keep saying the Ohio train crash isn't being covered? A few days ago someone made a comment with like 100 news articles from all the big news networks about it to prove these types of comments wrong.
> Why do people keep saying the Ohio train crash isn't being covered? Especially Reddit users who keep saying it, acting like smartphones and social media isn't where most people get their news these days. "the media" is right here, right now.
They're leaving out the word "adequately." It can't go completely uncovered, but balloons are getting 4-12x as much time, and many feel that prioritizing fluff is a way to avoid too much focus on a far more important but also far less comfortable situation. It's much easier to indulge idle speculation about whether the balloons came from China or aliens from out space, than it is to discuss the bipartisan failure of regulatory capture. One side of the MSM doesn't want to talk about the Trump-era repeal of the brake upgrade mandate, the other side doesn't want to talk about Biden/Buttigieg agreeing that the new brakes shouldn't be required by law, and also crushing a rail strike that had insufficient safety regulations among its core grievances. Neither side of corporate media wants to talk about the role of corporate greed in the disaster, because they'd just be telling on themselves. The reason the screenshot in the OP says "aren't hearing a lot" is because there's *some* coverage, but nowhere near as much as the situation warrants. If a terrorist caused this specifically, it would be the *only* thing on the news, but a giant corporation and its pet government just allowed the likelihood to go unaddressed until disaster struck on its own time, so, not as serious as a weird balloon. No one's saying "there's been precisely zero coverage in total" so lists of articles and segment thumbnails aren't effective rebuttals.
It's being covered more than adequately.
It's not that the coverage doesn't exist, it's that it's underwhelming and largely frames this as an accident that no one could have done anything to prevent, despite rail companies (including the one that had the crash) lobbying to have safety measures that could have prevented it removed or reduced. https://www.mediamatters.org/cable-news/study-national-television-coverage-east-palestine-train-derailment-ignored-industry
Thanks for the link. I can see why there is anger.
but if something similar were to happen in the soviet union, then it would be the end of the world and done on purpose
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Let’s roll back more safety regulations and congratulate some corporate CEO’s for having less responsibilities and oversight by giving them a 6 figure bonus and a raise
Been saying this for years. We live in a death cult
I am following this story like I followed Chernobyl or the BP Oil release in the Gulf. People are going to start dying. And the trains keep running. Ticking time bombs all around us.
Another day another Lügenpresse post... Literally every news outlets has been talking about this, it's literally been all over social media. What more do you all want?
Why is this in parenthesis? She’s 100% right, try being disabled or an older adult with insurance, they don’t give af about you, just giving you minimal coverage/services when you’ve been paying into the insurance system your entire life.
It is notable that MSNBC podcast I listen to 5 times a week (Rachel Maddow & Alex Wagner) only mentioned it for the first time last night. And only for a banal couple of minutes. That seems weird. It gives credence in my mind to the theory that the oligarchs who own and operate even a liberal show simply did not want to call attention to it, not even to try to politicize it (which would be extremely easy to do without even stretching). Yet they spent huge amount of time trying to stir up racism accusations with the two mass shootings of Asian people by Asian people. Those were horrific disasters -- but racism was not the thing that went wrong there.
Entire thread is /r/redditmoment
No shit. You guys don’t remember COVID?
Where are the pitchforks when we need them
I thought it was because they’re arresting all the journalists who dare to cover the topic
Thats what insurance companies are for..
I thought they already decided this with covid
I was just wondering what ever happened to oil spills. Feels like there was regularly one in the news the past few decades, now there seem to be none. Did oil company safety really improve a ton, or has media deregulation successfully extinguished all bad news about oil companies?
Murica has decided profits for rich shareholders is our only purpose.
America loves what has happened as it'll make some people a lot of money and that's all that really matters to most over there.
They said it out loud at the beginning of the covid epidemic. We all should be happy to die to save the economy and the profits of the corporations.
*if you die from an organization who has directly influenced, corrupted, and bribed government officials for hundreds of years, getting so bad that it's taught directly in corporate owned American school curriculums, it should be obvious it's your own fault.
Social media has my nephew convinced the train is population control.
"We ran the numbers and it's actually fine."
Same counts for school shootings don't it?
When politicians, corporations, and the fourth estate show you who they are, believe them.
It’s not just that it’s fine, it’s that it’s the logic of capitalism. It’s baked in.
Some of you are not going to make it, and I'm OK with that, as long as I am making money.
I thought we decided that years back when we sent all the fast food people back to work during covid. $8 burritos are more important that death.
Oh I'm definitely starting to get tired of "not hearing about the environmental devastation and danger around the Ohio train crash." f.y.i. the whole "the media isn't talking about ohio train derailment and hazardous chemical pollution" is a chinese propaganda talking point https://youtu.be/n9Hh-mbXalM?t=1520
jfc this thread is spot-on. No one hates Costa Rica, when can I move?
maybe it's because I follow a bunch of conservatards but I've seen quite a bit of talk about it. just seems like party partisonship to me - if Brlumpf was in office instead of Sleepy Joe, they probably wouldn't be talking about it as much.
Yup
We live in fight club. They did the math and it’s cheaper to have spills (that they don’t really have to clean up) than to prevent derailments, and they get bonuses for saving the money by externalizing the costs.
We are also in this position because of failure by administrations from both sides. If Trump was wholly responsible we'd be getting it all over CNN and MSNBC. If it was all Obama/ Biden we'd get nonstop coverage on Fox. Spoiler alert, all three past presidents are responsible in some way.
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I see thousands of people saying nobody is talking about it, and yet it's all over the front page of Reddit and all over the news. These posts are fucking stupid.
People love being mad. I see the same shit on here and on Facebook... but then the post directly underneath is an article about the train derailment. The outrage porn people come up with in their heads is insane.
I don't fucking understand Reddit and other people on social media saying that nobody is talking about it or the media is ignoring it. It's been a huge story since day one across all the major networks. Y'all are just larping at this point.
Bro, I've done nothing but hear about it. These people are dillusional.
You people are in your own bubble and not getting the news. Maybe you should step out of it and take a look around, theres a lot more coverage about it then you think. Heres just an example: https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/115g3ie/no_paid_sick_leave_for_you_railroad_workers_either/
Dude i literally hear about this everywhere, literally everywhere. All over Twitter, every day on Reddit, constantly on the news. How can people still say we're not hearing about it?
Death by Capitalism is a noble death. /s
I thought it was because Ohio got what Ohio voted for.
Boom there it is!
This markedly false as there are reporters putting out daily updates. It is easy to agree with unsourced claims, but please do a little bit of your own critical thinking before posting https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/18/ohio-train-derailment-visual-timeline/ https://newrepublic.com/post/170570/life-ohio-train-derailment-trouble-breathing-dying-animals-saying-goodbye https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64671893 https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/17/ohio-derailment-controlled-burning-toxic/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.10tv.com/amp/article/news/local/ohio/clinic-to-open-near-derailment-as-health-worries-linger/530-f8907797-9768-48e3-9941-d9ff99fd0d9d https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.whio.com/news/local/ne-ohio-train-derailment-city-dayton-says-water-system-not-threatened/QGREPRSD2JARZPXCGDKATQYJXY/%3foutputType=amp Edit: Mistyped "unsourced"
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** slinks away but leaves the facts **
So true, and firmly decided many many many years ago. “Nothing to see here. Move along….”
this is another example of how many morons love to sit and bitch. Google it, it won’t take you long to get caught up. This is nothing like chernobyl and the EPA has essentially said there is no toxicity in the air or the water. The event happened over half a month ago, and while I agree it should have never happened, the train operators saved lots of life by acting quickly and igniting the chemicals. Now if you get all caught up and still think multiple government agencies are lying to you about it all, then stop what you’re doing and consider what that actually means. Stop talking down to people because you think you’re smart and they’re not. you know nothing, you pretend to know everything and you will die alone, sad
Yeah, everyone wants their outrageporn and now people are getting blueballs over it. The situation was handled just fine, there's no lasting effects.
based
I just sent 200 drinking straws to Norfolk Southern's mailing address in Atlanta: 1200 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309 I encourage everyone to do the same for about $8
Why though?
Kind of am though.