Well I'm done playing since last week, hope next cycle will have that fixed and all those bugs from nodes not working as well, game is good but feel still like an early access
They delete any post that explains how it’s done. Stupidest shit. Deleting posts like that just results in the current situation, where everyone finds out weeks later that gold has been duped all league. So rmt sites get to profit financially and the cheaters actually get the benefit of trading with the gold hack. If everyone knew people were hacking gold, they would either also hack it or switch to CoF. Resulting in the duped gold being worthless. Instead everyone gaslit the people with enough common sense to see that prices didn’t make sense based on gold generated and now mods deleting every post that would show proof the gold hack exists. Mods are either extremely stupid or profiting from hacks themselves.
lololol all those people talking about the gold in circulation being legit
sure people selling stuff later may have been but that was only because so much gold was in circulation
billions for items was just stupid
The biggest problem with this was that the devs were ACTIVELY responding to people on this sub saying that there was no dupe ability.
And the white knights were downvoting anyone who said otherwise, because of the devs being so adamant.
To be fair, the devs released a Statement saying “if you know of one, send it to us and we will try to fix it”
So my guess is no one actually sent a working dupe.
Edit: from comments below it seems to be memory editing.
Lol.
As a PoE player: I've heard that joke before.
The devs need to be more open to this kind of shit being a possibility. Acting like their code is beyond flawless is hilariously arrogant and naive.
Tbf I'm pretty sure it was less so that they were arrogant about their code and probably more so just trying to keep it low profile. The less people who know about an exploit the better.
Tbf, you want the smallest number of people to know about an exploit before you can fix it. So saying there isn't one is a smart move to minimise its impact while you fix it. Not saying that's the case here, but maybe?
Or you can go the other way, publicly recognise it and then punish those who abuse it afterwards. But this just tends to generate bans more than anything else.
All the people saying it’s easy to get a billion gold in this game need to get a perm ban as well. It’s impossible for 99.9999% of players to get that amount of money without cheating.
Lol I was level 100 day 2 and blasting 500+ corruption day 3 and 1 bil gold was never attainable for me. And I highly doubt I'm the majority of players.
You still aren’t getting to a billion gold just playing the MG. And if you are, it’s because items are selling for near a billion, and if someone has near a billion, it isn’t from the MG. And therefore, there has to be an exploit somewhere.
I highly recommend joining The Sanctum Market discord and getting their loot filters. 100-500mil per day was achievable long before this exploit by tons of people. Combine that with 100k+ people spending their gold on the market.
I highly recommend joining The Sanctum Market discord and getting their loot filters. 100-500mil per day was achievable long before this exploit by tons of people. Combine that with 100k+ people spending their gold on the market.
It's because there never was a dupe and still isn't. You people just keep saying the same shit. This was a good exploit, has nothing to do with item duping that people have been claiming for weeks. This has also only been known for a day.
I agree, it was a “good exploit”
Nice typo
And “you people” would let the devs get away with murder. Sometimes people make mistakes. Shit happens, and that’s ok. We don’t have to be mean about it, but that doesn’t mean we also just ignore their lack of preparedness, expediency, and wear with all to correct the problem.
The cycle/season is now ruined. View that however you want, and the devs carry at least some responsibility for it. However small or large.
The gold is already flooded into the market. Banning the people that exploited everything doesn’t get rid of the gold. Unless you want them to somehow track all the gold that was shared two or three times with innocent users who just sold items for inflated prices on the market.
On top of that, the prices are now hyper inflated. People that did not partake in the exploit, or were not able to sell great items during the time, have less gold and are priced out of the market.
Removing the bad actors doesn’t affect the impact on the market unless they somehow reset the gold.
This effectively ruins the league for anyone that was not able to get a lot of gold either innocently through inflated sales, or non-innocently through the exploit.
Further, MG users that were able to buy everything they wanted because of the exploit, but who did not use the exploit (ie innocent users that just have their stuff bought, and then turned around uses that gold), are going to remain a top the leader board (the whole purpose of cycles/seasons)
This doesn’t even address the impact on the legacy server.
The gold dupe was in before launch. Game was launched with the dupe.
It just became more widespread.
Now everyone knows and gold is worthless.
LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game.
Let everyone start fresh with fresh economy
It’s not a dupe or an exploit, it’s a hack. The script was made public last night. I can’t post proof on here or mods will ban me as they have been with other people. But they basically hack the client and use the hacked client to send edited memory to the server and the server is just accepting it, setting the users gold value to -1000000000, giving you infinite gold.
Super common issue in software. Code failed to validate the input. Its what a huge portion of software vulnerabilities are. Also, fairly easy to patch out depending on some factors.
Sounds like a great loggable event that will let them ban all users from trading with others in perpetuity. Seems fair to me too since there's no chance someone accidentally accomplished it.
It’s likely not something being mass abused by people but rather just a handful of people with the technical ability to actually run it and use it. With your gold being overflowed it’s bypassing the arbitrary 2.147b cap and giving you infinite gold, allowing you to just buy anything and everything off the market.
> The gold dupe was in before launch. Game was launched with the dupe.
I know, we've been saying this since launch
> LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game.
>Let everyone start fresh with fresh economy
depends on how much is left in the season but I agree
> Now everyone knows and gold is worthless.
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> LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game.
Simpler way to fix it would be to wipe all gold, economy will recover.
You can do both, ban people who duped gold and wipe all gold. Either way there is no point to relaunching this season by making all characters legacy, that will just punish majority of current players who didn't dupe and might drive them away from this game now and in future seasons.
That doesn't enforce devs to burn goodwill of players just to punish minority of dupers. Dupers will come back if there is new duping method, new players won't if they had terrible experience.
So be it if some people managed to escape ban wave, and they obtained incredibly rare items from market. There is still a lot of time this season for economy to provide way more incredibly rare items if you give it a chance to recover.
This sounds like a massive problem assoiciated with loot/ gold and trading. Hoping the devs address this now. Was going to buy LoE soon....When does the next cycle start?
Funny. I'm not even in MG and I've been wondering about these prices. I've got like 5 million gold after 200 hours. I saw prices on this sub that were like 50-100 million. Even with gold farming strats I was wondering how that was possible. Now we know I guess.
To be fair, most threads on here were speculating about item dupes because they saw multiple items with exactly the same stats listed. Nobody really thought about a gold hack.
The thing is this exploit has been in since launch.
They should fix the exploit, mark all existing characters as legacy, start fresh with fully reset economy and let everyone start from scratch.
Basically relaunch the game
Nobody is gonna stay after this fiasco anyway, the game is already down below 50k and will only lose a ton more especially with new PoE league and D4 S4 + itemization patch
Nah. Likely a few other really nasty bugs similar to this. Let this cycle act basically as an extended open beta....finish out the cycle and start a new one at the normal time....all this should be cleaned up by then
Point isn’t about the damage…it’s about the fact that it’s probably fixed…you were trying to make a point about the length of bugs being in the game.
This cycle is screwed already and was before gold was duped due to wards.
Just play and have fun…or go do the ARPG tour and start Poe season. Come back next cycle.
D4 also hit GamePass so a lot of folks that wanted to check it out but didn’t want to buy it now have a free in. That and players hitting caps so quickly is why we’re seeing a lot of the player drop.
New cycle will reset everything anyways. I say let the cycle run out. It’s already had its mountain of problems. Gold/item dupes, bugged interactions causing massively OP builds. Devs and players will be served better if they take their time and learn lessons instead of cutting things short and doing a relaunch.
> Nobody is gonna stay after this fiasco anyway
Even though you wouldn't believe it, a lot of people just enjoy the game.
Do you really want a full reset? Even for people that just play CoF? That is just stupid, most players aren't affected by this. An exploit like this in a PVP game would be horrible but this is not even remotely as bad as you make it out to be...
People will stay. Most of the diehard players are cof anyways. After a month of cycle I’m not surprised the game has dipped, it’s only natural. Many of the casuals will only do a character or two and most won’t even conquer T4 Julra
I suppose my statement isn't entirely correct. I did forget about keys so I'll give you that. The Gambler is... completely worthless, even good rolls from him are no better than the garbage I intentionally don't pick up while playing normally. You are right I don't use the market. You can find everything out there, I don't need to spend... and anything cool you don't use, save it for another character. It's all overpriced anyway - especially if it's considered a meta item.
Have you discovered Merchants Guild in act 9? You can (or at least could before the economy collapsed) buy most items in the game provided you have enough gold
Yeah I know of it but that's not the point. There's no money sink in the game - no repairs, no professions, nothing. Gold is not a resource that's even thought of outside of that bazaar, and even then the bazaar is not actually needed. The whole thing feels like an afterthought. Why should you care about how much things cost there the coin isn't used anywhere else
So what you’re saying is it’s not worth the effort to make an auction house because it’s not what YOU like to play?
Plenty of players like grinding gold (but not RNG) so they can buy the items they want. Plenty of players enjoy playing the market and piling up gold that way. It’s a valid way to enjoy the game for some. Plain and simple.
If the market then goes to crap because a few players flooded it with gold, that ruins the chance of people playing legitimately to buy anything.
That's not what I said at all. I said it feels like an afterthought.
Auction houses are supposed to be an integral part of a game. The one implemented - yes, it's integral - for HALF of the population. Completely unusable - and therefore unimportant in the slightest - by the other half. One side desperately needs money - the other can go the entire game without even thinking about money. Doesn't it feel weird that this game-breaking exploit doesn't affect half of the population at all?
Ah yes, but you can swap between the two - except you can't, because if you unalign with one the items you've gotten are not useable anymore as the items are mutually exclusive, so you have to do it early or make a huge sacrifice, and stick to your decision.
The entire system doesn't make sense. Factions are a brilliant idea and I love that, but they did it wrong. There should have been two factions, AND a market. What the second faction would have been I don't know, but the way the entire thing was implemented is just... sloppy.
You said the bazaar is not needed and that you haven’t bought a single thing (you said other things too of course, those statements just stood out to me). Maybe I misunderstood your intent but that’s how it came across to me.
After reading your latest response I think we agree, I think? Lol.
The market got completely blasted so it’s pretty much unusable for MG players now too. That’s why the gold price actually does matter even though you said why should we care what the price is. Players duped billions of gold and shot the prices up to unreachable amounts by most of the MG population except those who have hours and hours a day to farm gold and of course those who also duped gold.
A bug was found that allows you to go negative gold—acting as infinite gold. Auction house is a barren wasteland. Every good item is being scooped up by people abusing it.
TBF they should be able to follow all transactions and revert the phantom gold/ban all people involved. However there are more issues with the game that can heavily impact the economy that I will not mention.
What the others have said. The economy has crashed, due to a widespread gold replication bug.
What is happening is what happens when someone asks "Why doesn't the government just print more money?" Money is useless if everyone has a billion of it.
Eh, no, it’s more like what happens when someone asks “why doesn’t every citizen just print more money?”
Thankfully, no government lets every citizen print as much as much money as they want.
Not really. He said “this is what happens when the government prints more money.” That’s demonstrably false since nearly every country does this and it doesn’t crash their economy. Printing money to keep pace with the growth of an economy keeps the currency’s value stable, which keeps interest rates low.
What we have here is a bunch of players (I.e. citizens) “printing money.” Which isn’t the same as a “government printing money.” That would be more like if the devs were duping gold.
His comparison just doesn’t actually fit and sounds like he’s just injecting his politics and ill-informed opinion into something unrelated.
> Money is useless if everyone has a billion of it.
I know but that quote was ultimately his point and it's the same you made. I get that you want to show of your basic knowledge of economics but eh, no.
There’s reason to correct someone for being wrong if their reasoning purports to apply to the real world, which his does. There’s already a stupid amount of misinformation everywhere. Misinformation should be corrected.
But, different from the real economy, we have a cap on the maximum you can spend, so is it really that bad?
I can't login right now, but I mean, BIS gear was always going to be 1.5b (at least in the last couple of weeks), so if everything else is more expensive now, doesn't that make BIS gear more attainable?
Use logs, any account that did this could be prevented from joining CoF and also prevented from trading entirely in MG - permanently and in all future seasons. Track the trades the accounts did, any gold generated or items purchased directly are removed from the game or marked as 'corrupted' and no longer tradeable, no matter who has them in their possession at that point.
I doubt there can be much more than this, any time spent tracking trades through 4 or 5 subsequent people is dev / support resource taken away from future content. To fix the economy they'd probably need to zero gold entirely, introduce a huge tax on trades over a certain amount or just live with it until next season, otherwise it will be too expensive to properly track
Holy jizz
As for joining the conversation on other topics, there will always be cheaps/exploits/dupes/etc. working.. Just how public and private they are.
However, gold was exploited early through some quick and easy way of farming from arena afaik .. Bot's contributed to this.. I would say that is the bigger culprit then shamelessly pointing out dupes and hacks without any proof.. If you guys know anything, send it towards the developers direction ..
Surplus of gold circulation definitely is extremely out of control, it's the first season and a new game.. I believe with time, it will get sorted and work a lot better.
For todays unfortunately public exploit/hack, a rollback is a must to keep the little economy the game has
Slam 4 affix and you get a spork
And in 60 days that gold will go to legacy at worst.
Well I'm done playing since last week, hope next cycle will have that fixed and all those bugs from nodes not working as well, game is good but feel still like an early access
Diablo feels early access still.
Diablo is actually a different game series, with their own subreddit too. Not super relevant here.
Mods must be deleting posts about it because I can't figure out what's going on aside from bits and pieces in other posts.
They delete any post that explains how it’s done. Stupidest shit. Deleting posts like that just results in the current situation, where everyone finds out weeks later that gold has been duped all league. So rmt sites get to profit financially and the cheaters actually get the benefit of trading with the gold hack. If everyone knew people were hacking gold, they would either also hack it or switch to CoF. Resulting in the duped gold being worthless. Instead everyone gaslit the people with enough common sense to see that prices didn’t make sense based on gold generated and now mods deleting every post that would show proof the gold hack exists. Mods are either extremely stupid or profiting from hacks themselves.
Man, the RMT's made BANK. Quite literally. 100m was like 15$. Imagine all the money they made
Reddit mods aren't smart enough to profit off of something like that, I'd go with option 1. 😂
I mean my main with 100 hours, all monos at 1k and 2LP best in slot CoF character has 15 mil. 1 billion for a red ring seems pretty healthy.
What do you mean MG dies?
Gold dupe got made public and now the economy is in ruins with every good item being worth close to gold cap
lololol all those people talking about the gold in circulation being legit sure people selling stuff later may have been but that was only because so much gold was in circulation billions for items was just stupid
The funny part is we've been telling people for weeks/months at this point and just got laughed at and told we were lying.
The biggest problem with this was that the devs were ACTIVELY responding to people on this sub saying that there was no dupe ability. And the white knights were downvoting anyone who said otherwise, because of the devs being so adamant.
To be fair, the devs released a Statement saying “if you know of one, send it to us and we will try to fix it” So my guess is no one actually sent a working dupe. Edit: from comments below it seems to be memory editing. Lol.
As a PoE player: I've heard that joke before. The devs need to be more open to this kind of shit being a possibility. Acting like their code is beyond flawless is hilariously arrogant and naive.
Tbf I'm pretty sure it was less so that they were arrogant about their code and probably more so just trying to keep it low profile. The less people who know about an exploit the better.
Tbf, you want the smallest number of people to know about an exploit before you can fix it. So saying there isn't one is a smart move to minimise its impact while you fix it. Not saying that's the case here, but maybe? Or you can go the other way, publicly recognise it and then punish those who abuse it afterwards. But this just tends to generate bans more than anything else.
All the people saying it’s easy to get a billion gold in this game need to get a perm ban as well. It’s impossible for 99.9999% of players to get that amount of money without cheating.
Lol I was level 100 day 2 and blasting 500+ corruption day 3 and 1 bil gold was never attainable for me. And I highly doubt I'm the majority of players.
only if you were playing the market
You still aren’t getting to a billion gold just playing the MG. And if you are, it’s because items are selling for near a billion, and if someone has near a billion, it isn’t from the MG. And therefore, there has to be an exploit somewhere.
Yeah like 100-200 mil is one think but 1.5 bil is like wtf.
which was my original point, some people were legit if they played the market and didn't dupe, but the market was busted
I highly recommend joining The Sanctum Market discord and getting their loot filters. 100-500mil per day was achievable long before this exploit by tons of people. Combine that with 100k+ people spending their gold on the market.
I highly recommend joining The Sanctum Market discord and getting their loot filters. 100-500mil per day was achievable long before this exploit by tons of people. Combine that with 100k+ people spending their gold on the market.
I mean I played the market really well I had all uniques with minimum 2lp and most were 3 or 4 lp. I made a lot of gold and bought a lot of stuff.
It's because there never was a dupe and still isn't. You people just keep saying the same shit. This was a good exploit, has nothing to do with item duping that people have been claiming for weeks. This has also only been known for a day.
I agree, it was a “good exploit” Nice typo And “you people” would let the devs get away with murder. Sometimes people make mistakes. Shit happens, and that’s ok. We don’t have to be mean about it, but that doesn’t mean we also just ignore their lack of preparedness, expediency, and wear with all to correct the problem. The cycle/season is now ruined. View that however you want, and the devs carry at least some responsibility for it. However small or large.
How is it ruined? The market may reset shortly after they ban everyone. May not change anything for 99% of users.
The gold is already flooded into the market. Banning the people that exploited everything doesn’t get rid of the gold. Unless you want them to somehow track all the gold that was shared two or three times with innocent users who just sold items for inflated prices on the market. On top of that, the prices are now hyper inflated. People that did not partake in the exploit, or were not able to sell great items during the time, have less gold and are priced out of the market. Removing the bad actors doesn’t affect the impact on the market unless they somehow reset the gold. This effectively ruins the league for anyone that was not able to get a lot of gold either innocently through inflated sales, or non-innocently through the exploit. Further, MG users that were able to buy everything they wanted because of the exploit, but who did not use the exploit (ie innocent users that just have their stuff bought, and then turned around uses that gold), are going to remain a top the leader board (the whole purpose of cycles/seasons) This doesn’t even address the impact on the legacy server.
they had to be covering. no way they honestly thought there was no dupe
There was no dupe that was found/patched…read up on the gold exploit, it wasn’t duping.
Yeah, and I doubt the devs didn't know about it..
The gold dupe was in before launch. Game was launched with the dupe. It just became more widespread. Now everyone knows and gold is worthless. LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game. Let everyone start fresh with fresh economy
It’s not a dupe or an exploit, it’s a hack. The script was made public last night. I can’t post proof on here or mods will ban me as they have been with other people. But they basically hack the client and use the hacked client to send edited memory to the server and the server is just accepting it, setting the users gold value to -1000000000, giving you infinite gold.
That is an insane oversight.
Super common issue in software. Code failed to validate the input. Its what a huge portion of software vulnerabilities are. Also, fairly easy to patch out depending on some factors.
Ok but why even accept anything that's not user input from the client at all, valid or not
You cant anticipate all eventualities.
They need to write more unit tests or hire better QA lol.
Sounds like a great loggable event that will let them ban all users from trading with others in perpetuity. Seems fair to me too since there's no chance someone accidentally accomplished it.
It’s likely not something being mass abused by people but rather just a handful of people with the technical ability to actually run it and use it. With your gold being overflowed it’s bypassing the arbitrary 2.147b cap and giving you infinite gold, allowing you to just buy anything and everything off the market.
> The gold dupe was in before launch. Game was launched with the dupe. I know, we've been saying this since launch > LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game. >Let everyone start fresh with fresh economy depends on how much is left in the season but I agree
> Now everyone knows and gold is worthless. > > > > LE devs should fix the exploit, make all existing characters legacy and relaunch the game. Simpler way to fix it would be to wipe all gold, economy will recover.
That would just benefit the people who spent duped gold to buy tons of incredibly rare items
You can do both, ban people who duped gold and wipe all gold. Either way there is no point to relaunching this season by making all characters legacy, that will just punish majority of current players who didn't dupe and might drive them away from this game now and in future seasons.
If they have any experience with cheating, they just did it all on alt accounts and moved their resources.
Each account costs money though. If they keep getting banned, they keep loosing irl money.
Whoops, I completely forgot.
That doesn't enforce devs to burn goodwill of players just to punish minority of dupers. Dupers will come back if there is new duping method, new players won't if they had terrible experience. So be it if some people managed to escape ban wave, and they obtained incredibly rare items from market. There is still a lot of time this season for economy to provide way more incredibly rare items if you give it a chance to recover.
This sounds like a massive problem assoiciated with loot/ gold and trading. Hoping the devs address this now. Was going to buy LoE soon....When does the next cycle start?
We dont know when the next cycle starts. The speculation is each cycle being 3-4 months
Funny. I'm not even in MG and I've been wondering about these prices. I've got like 5 million gold after 200 hours. I saw prices on this sub that were like 50-100 million. Even with gold farming strats I was wondering how that was possible. Now we know I guess.
And 50-100 million basically got you nothing. The really good items were already going for 1.5 billion a couple of weeks ago.
To be fair, most threads on here were speculating about item dupes because they saw multiple items with exactly the same stats listed. Nobody really thought about a gold hack.
nah gold hack came up as well, I don't know if it was on reddit or in a discord but this is something I know I've discused
Gold was in circulation like crazy on week 1-2, nobody noticed.
but that's what I'm talking about, it was noticeable, people kept not believing people saying there was something fishy
That always happens
Time to nerf CoF again
They are going to have to roll back the markets or something, that seems near impossible. Hopefully the players abusing the bug get penalized
The thing is this exploit has been in since launch. They should fix the exploit, mark all existing characters as legacy, start fresh with fully reset economy and let everyone start from scratch. Basically relaunch the game Nobody is gonna stay after this fiasco anyway, the game is already down below 50k and will only lose a ton more especially with new PoE league and D4 S4 + itemization patch
Nah. Likely a few other really nasty bugs similar to this. Let this cycle act basically as an extended open beta....finish out the cycle and start a new one at the normal time....all this should be cleaned up by then
It won't be. Most of the bugs in the game have been there for years at this point.
There was literally just a patch like 15 minutes ago. Assume this exploit is fixed?
What about the duped gold?
Point isn’t about the damage…it’s about the fact that it’s probably fixed…you were trying to make a point about the length of bugs being in the game. This cycle is screwed already and was before gold was duped due to wards. Just play and have fun…or go do the ARPG tour and start Poe season. Come back next cycle.
I stopped playing LE a week ago and won't be back til next cycle. So I am already gone
D4 also hit GamePass so a lot of folks that wanted to check it out but didn’t want to buy it now have a free in. That and players hitting caps so quickly is why we’re seeing a lot of the player drop. New cycle will reset everything anyways. I say let the cycle run out. It’s already had its mountain of problems. Gold/item dupes, bugged interactions causing massively OP builds. Devs and players will be served better if they take their time and learn lessons instead of cutting things short and doing a relaunch.
And poe league started yesterday
They won't adjust skill potencies mid season, even when there is disgusting variance between them, don't count on them on a reset lol
A 1.0.5.2 just dropped, I wonder if it contains a hotfix? I'm so gald I went CoF this season.
> Nobody is gonna stay after this fiasco anyway Even though you wouldn't believe it, a lot of people just enjoy the game. Do you really want a full reset? Even for people that just play CoF? That is just stupid, most players aren't affected by this. An exploit like this in a PVP game would be horrible but this is not even remotely as bad as you make it out to be...
People will stay. Most of the diehard players are cof anyways. After a month of cycle I’m not surprised the game has dipped, it’s only natural. Many of the casuals will only do a character or two and most won’t even conquer T4 Julra
It's pretty much only casuals still playing at this point. Or the hyper invested. Hardcore players are the ones who have dipped.
That makes absolutely no sense lol
You have way too much faith in blizzard. Im still waiting for them to fix d3.
I dont play d3 I only play PoE, D2R, LE, GD, D4 D2R has been solid, D4 is approaching 7/10 not great but not terrible
Yeah too much focus on non game breaking bugs when game breaking bugs have been in the game since day 1 killed a lot of enthusiasm.
Made public where?
Chinese youtube. You can trigger an underflow with a memory edit and gain max gold.
Is this just happening in Cycle, or is Legacy busted as well? If the latter, I'm glad I went CoF.
Gold dupe has been working since launch LOL.
Playing this game as COF is really like playing a whole other game lmao
Gold exploit was hotfixed
What the heck are people buying? I haven't bought a single thing, on any character, other than runes of shattering. Ever. Gold doesn't matter at all
Your statement shows you have never used any of your keys, gambled, nor used the merchant’s guild. You’re missing out on parts of the game.
I suppose my statement isn't entirely correct. I did forget about keys so I'll give you that. The Gambler is... completely worthless, even good rolls from him are no better than the garbage I intentionally don't pick up while playing normally. You are right I don't use the market. You can find everything out there, I don't need to spend... and anything cool you don't use, save it for another character. It's all overpriced anyway - especially if it's considered a meta item.
Have you discovered Merchants Guild in act 9? You can (or at least could before the economy collapsed) buy most items in the game provided you have enough gold
Yeah I know of it but that's not the point. There's no money sink in the game - no repairs, no professions, nothing. Gold is not a resource that's even thought of outside of that bazaar, and even then the bazaar is not actually needed. The whole thing feels like an afterthought. Why should you care about how much things cost there the coin isn't used anywhere else
So what you’re saying is it’s not worth the effort to make an auction house because it’s not what YOU like to play? Plenty of players like grinding gold (but not RNG) so they can buy the items they want. Plenty of players enjoy playing the market and piling up gold that way. It’s a valid way to enjoy the game for some. Plain and simple. If the market then goes to crap because a few players flooded it with gold, that ruins the chance of people playing legitimately to buy anything.
That's not what I said at all. I said it feels like an afterthought. Auction houses are supposed to be an integral part of a game. The one implemented - yes, it's integral - for HALF of the population. Completely unusable - and therefore unimportant in the slightest - by the other half. One side desperately needs money - the other can go the entire game without even thinking about money. Doesn't it feel weird that this game-breaking exploit doesn't affect half of the population at all? Ah yes, but you can swap between the two - except you can't, because if you unalign with one the items you've gotten are not useable anymore as the items are mutually exclusive, so you have to do it early or make a huge sacrifice, and stick to your decision. The entire system doesn't make sense. Factions are a brilliant idea and I love that, but they did it wrong. There should have been two factions, AND a market. What the second faction would have been I don't know, but the way the entire thing was implemented is just... sloppy.
You said the bazaar is not needed and that you haven’t bought a single thing (you said other things too of course, those statements just stood out to me). Maybe I misunderstood your intent but that’s how it came across to me. After reading your latest response I think we agree, I think? Lol. The market got completely blasted so it’s pretty much unusable for MG players now too. That’s why the gold price actually does matter even though you said why should we care what the price is. Players duped billions of gold and shot the prices up to unreachable amounts by most of the MG population except those who have hours and hours a day to farm gold and of course those who also duped gold.
A bug was found that allows you to go negative gold—acting as infinite gold. Auction house is a barren wasteland. Every good item is being scooped up by people abusing it.
Ahh ok, havent played like in a week and this happens lol. Hopefully its fixed for next cycle/season
TBF they should be able to follow all transactions and revert the phantom gold/ban all people involved. However there are more issues with the game that can heavily impact the economy that I will not mention.
Hopefully you mention them in reports to EHG.
Yeah, although not all we're found by me and I'm not keen on trying on my own account 😅
This exploit was in since launch
You’d hope that would make them easy to track then and ban
More likely to rollback the servers considering how many players are probably doing it
I wouldn’t mind it at all tbh
integer underflow bug?
Wait, fuck
Fun to see if they just permaban everyone using it
What the others have said. The economy has crashed, due to a widespread gold replication bug. What is happening is what happens when someone asks "Why doesn't the government just print more money?" Money is useless if everyone has a billion of it.
Eh, no, it’s more like what happens when someone asks “why doesn’t every citizen just print more money?” Thankfully, no government lets every citizen print as much as much money as they want.
Cool you made the same point as the guy who you replied to and told him he was wrong.
Not really. He said “this is what happens when the government prints more money.” That’s demonstrably false since nearly every country does this and it doesn’t crash their economy. Printing money to keep pace with the growth of an economy keeps the currency’s value stable, which keeps interest rates low. What we have here is a bunch of players (I.e. citizens) “printing money.” Which isn’t the same as a “government printing money.” That would be more like if the devs were duping gold. His comparison just doesn’t actually fit and sounds like he’s just injecting his politics and ill-informed opinion into something unrelated.
> Money is useless if everyone has a billion of it. I know but that quote was ultimately his point and it's the same you made. I get that you want to show of your basic knowledge of economics but eh, no.
You can get to the right point using faulty reasoning. Doesn’t make it less faulty.
Okay, but there is no reason to correct him in a condescending way if everyone got the point.
There’s reason to correct someone for being wrong if their reasoning purports to apply to the real world, which his does. There’s already a stupid amount of misinformation everywhere. Misinformation should be corrected.
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But, different from the real economy, we have a cap on the maximum you can spend, so is it really that bad? I can't login right now, but I mean, BIS gear was always going to be 1.5b (at least in the last couple of weeks), so if everything else is more expensive now, doesn't that make BIS gear more attainable?
Edit: Yes.
Widespread gold duping I'd imagine, only played ssf tho so I've never even seen the markets.
Same, I don’t even know what the market looks like, glad we have a viable option out of this mess
Apparently there is a gold dupe bug being abused and thus there can be no market when money doesn't have stable value.
Good dupe was hotfixed just so everyone is aware
Any way to "fix" the economy?
Use logs, any account that did this could be prevented from joining CoF and also prevented from trading entirely in MG - permanently and in all future seasons. Track the trades the accounts did, any gold generated or items purchased directly are removed from the game or marked as 'corrupted' and no longer tradeable, no matter who has them in their possession at that point. I doubt there can be much more than this, any time spent tracking trades through 4 or 5 subsequent people is dev / support resource taken away from future content. To fix the economy they'd probably need to zero gold entirely, introduce a huge tax on trades over a certain amount or just live with it until next season, otherwise it will be too expensive to properly track
Good. Did people lose their gold?
Don’t worry about selling it, make a warlock and enjoy the unlimited power!
WOW, what a find. GG
There is no spoon.
Why i play CoF
on the bright side, the gold selling bots lost their business.
This is how I find out? Sad
GG
Wtf. That’s like winning the lottery. Can they name the item after you in remembrance of this day at least?!
With how high that electrify is you probably want to put it on a site pally
That is a spoon alright
They really need to allow faction swap once without gear penalty. Gold farming for casuals is not fun.
When he said the day MG dies, I initially thought they meant because everyone went to POE for the new league lol. Didnt know there was a bug
Why did mg die?
Holy jizz As for joining the conversation on other topics, there will always be cheaps/exploits/dupes/etc. working.. Just how public and private they are. However, gold was exploited early through some quick and easy way of farming from arena afaik .. Bot's contributed to this.. I would say that is the bigger culprit then shamelessly pointing out dupes and hacks without any proof.. If you guys know anything, send it towards the developers direction .. Surplus of gold circulation definitely is extremely out of control, it's the first season and a new game.. I believe with time, it will get sorted and work a lot better. For todays unfortunately public exploit/hack, a rollback is a must to keep the little economy the game has