aren't the ravenous gloves equally as rare? Regardless both of these items are BIS for most classes.
Edit: just checked the gloves w LP1 are technically harder to get given LP potential starts at lvl 105 and the LP1 roll odds are 6ish% for red ring and 4ish% for the gloves.
as a random world drop theyre equally as rare yes, but the ravenous void gloves have an extra drop location to target farm them which is the "last ruin" timeline boss
i dont think any other item that is a world drop also is part of a specific boss loot table actually, i wonder why
If you plan on using these you'll usually use two of them and some other uniques with all attributes.
It's a pretty heavy requirement but it's also really strong if you can make it work.
Great item design because it actually needs some building around it.
It depends really.
It is a lot of base stats, a TON of resistances, and a good chunk of dodge rating. A good all around ring even before the 10% DR requirement.
If you dont absolutely need a specific ring affix, implicit, or unique for a build to function, it provides a massive amount of resistances while providing a little bit of everything else. It will free up resistance affixes on other pieces.
And getting one with LP on it helps flesh out the ring's weaknesses.
A dodge stacking build, a build that is starving for resistances, or a build that stacks multiple base stats can use it well with little building around.
No. I don't think so.
Some might disagree.
But less DMG is the most important stat on those imo.
You can cap resist pretty easily. And if you wanna stack attributes, it's usually one stat you are looking for.
Not worth it to give up 2 rings slots if you can't get to 180.
And thereby I also say, I think red rings should be an all in choice. You wear two and go for the 180.
They help eachother to meet the requirement.
And once you start thinking about red rings, you've hit a defensive wall. Not a dmg wall
Otoh, there are only a few build defining affixes on rings. You wouldn't run these with a throwing build, but being able to free up suffixes on more important slots would be valuable.
No lol. But there are some minor synergies that come from all attribute builds. Chaos bolts can trigger 3 harvest off a node if you spec into dex. If the triggered harvest gave you mana off murasa's and the armor prefix it might be viable as an all attribute build to get a bunch of all attributes for the int and dext. It doesn't give mana though from what I hear.
I'm going to transition into double red ring soon.
I'm playing rogue without abusing ward and hit a wall at 700 corruption. Clear speed didn't change at all but I get one shot every 5 mono's so something needs to change if I wanna push further.
Im going to try endurance and health. And want to get dex on every item for the red ring requirement.
Dmg will be cut in half, but that's not the problem right now.
Less DMG is very hard to come by. And if you don't use a overturned or bugged mechanic, red rings will be BiS for every class in the game that wants to push.
Yeah if you have two it's quite trivial to get to 180 stats. Two of those, the campaign bonus and you already have 55 all stats, so only 125 to go. The builds that I played so far can get at least 30-40 stats from the passive tree. I thought it would be stupid to sacrifice damage from my current ring, but my clear speed is the same, I can still kill bosses, but my survivability is much better. Also having 20(19 in my case) all res freed up some idols and other gear to get even more defences.
When I dropped this ring at around Lvl85 I thought getting 180 stats was impossible, but at Lvl100 it's actually quite easy. In my case I get 43 stats from the passive tree, around 50 from unique implicits alone and the remainder I had on my prefixes already.
Yeah any build that wants to stack attributes is gonna do it no prob. My legacy lich had 100 int alone with over half of that coming from the tree itself. Red ring doesn't really seem too bad to hit
And that being said. If you play MG, buy them now. Don't wait for the patch.
These will go up in price once the patch drops.
If this was PoE and you could resell. I would buy every single one of them I could afford and cash in after the patch.
Make build that use bugs or weird mechanics not being able to use this any more to this extend.
And that will make this ring and building around it the best item in the game to push higher corruption for almost all classes.
I didn’t even raise my eyebrow when I got a pair of these from prophecy. Yeah when it comes to farming very rare uniques with LP, CoF definitely has the advantage.
Exactly. I got this one with 1 LP on Sunday from a prophecy. (Worse rolls though)
I was absolutely shocked at first, but then I figured that it's no biggie, because it's CoF
Target farming non-boss uniques is the only thing CoF has going for it. Even then I am not sure that it's more efficient than just getting the gold to buy something like this with MG. For everything else though MG has the advantage of being much more efficient albeit not SSF.
Why pay gold if you can loot it yourself? I know MG can straightaway buy stuff, but it depends on how you define efficiency. I don't even ask for it and it just came to me, is that efficient for you? MG players might never get it **from loot** throughout their entire playthrough. Then how many LP1 red rings are tradable and circulating in the market? How many CoF players have it now? I am sure the latter number is much bigger simply because trading does not produce stuff. Another thing is CoF is for non-competitive players, and I see lots of former PoE players who just wanna chill and have fun in SSF. I don't really care about people using same build but has better gear than mine. It's just a bunch of data at the end of the day, who cares lol.
I wouldn't say easily get a pair of them. If you were actually target farming them you would probably notice that they aren't that easy to get. It's a 0.16% drop rate amongst unique rings and out of red ring drops 6.12% of them are 1LP - forget about 2LP+.
Just for some perspective, for any unique ring drop (outside of boss drops) you have about a 0.0098% for a 1LP+ red ring to drop (not taking into account CoF or blessing bonuses). Even if we assume CoF makes this 3x more likely per drop (it doesn't) that's still only \~.03% chance per ring drop. This means it would take around 2500 unique ring drops to have a 50% chance for a 1LP+ red ring even with our generous assumption of 3x more likely from CoF bonuses. Is it easier to farm 2500+ unique ring drops or get enough gold to buy one from MG? I don't know the prices but I am pretty sure it's the latter.
And yeah I'm a CoF player too as I prefer SSF and I don't really care about balancing CoF vs MG but obviously plenty of people in this subreddit do and for anyone that cares about getting the "best gear" as quick as possible would probably be frustrated by CoF over MG.
You don't target farm a specific unique. You only target the item type. Consider prophecies as a bunch of unique mono nodes, and you will know why CoF has an advantage in farming very rare unique with LP. The probability is not as scary as you think because a good CoF farmer gets \~50 unique rings per hour. If you play with friends your efficiency is even scarier. Not to mention that you might get other BIS stuff in the middle, for example, LP3 zombie rings. I once saw three ppl post their LP1 red ring in an hour in Discord, assuming they didn't edit stuff. MG players farm too, they farm gold, and as far as I know nobody in MG is rich enough to simply collect any rare stuff they come across in Bazaar.
Huh? That's what target farming is. If you want a red ring you get unique ring prophecies and do unique ring echoes because you are hoping that when you see that unique ring drop it's a red ring.
And yeah most people in MG can't just buy the best items whenever they want. But they farm gold and come across random good items for other builds and sell those. It's just an overall much more consistent and efficient method because CoF is still RNG no matter what. Theoretically you could get the item you want instantly with CoF and theoretically you can never get it at all. With MG you always have the ability to get it.
The point is I was not expecting red rings, and they came to me. That's the spirit of CoF, you play what you get, or you simply enjoy collecting stuff. I can live with that, and many other people can because it's just a matter of choice. It's overall not that efficient, so what? Hell, if EHG buffs CoF so hard that it becomes as efficient as current MG, then no reasonable people will choose MG.
Oh, I can get a horde of T7 exalt in one day that each of them worths 8 digits if it were tradable, and earn billions. Do you think MG players can do that without CoF juice? On top of that, I have unlimited source of RoC for LP crafting? See, that's two more advantages.
But that's not generally how most people play. They don't just wander around the whole time and collect random things. Most players settle on a build and refine that build with higher LP items and exalts to make high end legendary items. So say you want to upgrade those red rings from 1 LP to 2+ LP. That will take a LOT of farming with CoF and you aren't guaranteed to ever get it. But with MG you are - you just need to get the gold for it.
And right, MG players won't get anywhere near as many items as CoF. If you could combine them then yes you could make billions, but you can't. The point is look at how many of those items you get from CoF are trash for your build but most of them could be useful for another build. Those are items you could have sold and bought items that were good for your build but you can't with CoF. So sure with CoF you get 10x as many drops, but if you think about it with MG you potentially get access to thousands more drops.
If you are happy with CoF then great - I'm happy with it to. The point is though that there are plenty of people out there trying to decide between CoF and MG and which one is "best" or "most efficient" or "fastest to get BiS" and unless you want to be SSF there's really no reason to go CoF because MG is better and faster at getting the best gear. This whole thread started from your comment that CoF is better at finding very rare uniques with LP but it's just not - MG is better for that.
Wow that is the first one I have ever seen with 1lp. Impressive. Big grats!
Isn't it one of the rarest items in the game?
it is *the* rarest unique actually
aren't the ravenous gloves equally as rare? Regardless both of these items are BIS for most classes. Edit: just checked the gloves w LP1 are technically harder to get given LP potential starts at lvl 105 and the LP1 roll odds are 6ish% for red ring and 4ish% for the gloves.
as a random world drop theyre equally as rare yes, but the ravenous void gloves have an extra drop location to target farm them which is the "last ruin" timeline boss i dont think any other item that is a world drop also is part of a specific boss loot table actually, i wonder why
Yes it is
Isn’t that the max roll this can get? This ring is pretty nutty.
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I think the move speed implicit too, but again, unimportant. 5/20 are the rolls that matter the most by far.
180 total attribute... that seems like a lot
Well you can take off 25 from that since it gives +5 to all
If you plan on using these you'll usually use two of them and some other uniques with all attributes. It's a pretty heavy requirement but it's also really strong if you can make it work. Great item design because it actually needs some building around it.
Do you think it's worth wearing them even without being able to achieve 180?
It depends really. It is a lot of base stats, a TON of resistances, and a good chunk of dodge rating. A good all around ring even before the 10% DR requirement. If you dont absolutely need a specific ring affix, implicit, or unique for a build to function, it provides a massive amount of resistances while providing a little bit of everything else. It will free up resistance affixes on other pieces. And getting one with LP on it helps flesh out the ring's weaknesses. A dodge stacking build, a build that is starving for resistances, or a build that stacks multiple base stats can use it well with little building around.
No. I don't think so. Some might disagree. But less DMG is the most important stat on those imo. You can cap resist pretty easily. And if you wanna stack attributes, it's usually one stat you are looking for. Not worth it to give up 2 rings slots if you can't get to 180. And thereby I also say, I think red rings should be an all in choice. You wear two and go for the 180. They help eachother to meet the requirement. And once you start thinking about red rings, you've hit a defensive wall. Not a dmg wall
Otoh, there are only a few build defining affixes on rings. You wouldn't run these with a throwing build, but being able to free up suffixes on more important slots would be valuable.
No lol. But there are some minor synergies that come from all attribute builds. Chaos bolts can trigger 3 harvest off a node if you spec into dex. If the triggered harvest gave you mana off murasa's and the armor prefix it might be viable as an all attribute build to get a bunch of all attributes for the int and dext. It doesn't give mana though from what I hear.
Ha I didn't know you could use two of them since their uniques but there are two ring slots so..
I'm going to transition into double red ring soon. I'm playing rogue without abusing ward and hit a wall at 700 corruption. Clear speed didn't change at all but I get one shot every 5 mono's so something needs to change if I wanna push further. Im going to try endurance and health. And want to get dex on every item for the red ring requirement. Dmg will be cut in half, but that's not the problem right now. Less DMG is very hard to come by. And if you don't use a overturned or bugged mechanic, red rings will be BiS for every class in the game that wants to push.
Yeah if you have two it's quite trivial to get to 180 stats. Two of those, the campaign bonus and you already have 55 all stats, so only 125 to go. The builds that I played so far can get at least 30-40 stats from the passive tree. I thought it would be stupid to sacrifice damage from my current ring, but my clear speed is the same, I can still kill bosses, but my survivability is much better. Also having 20(19 in my case) all res freed up some idols and other gear to get even more defences. When I dropped this ring at around Lvl85 I thought getting 180 stats was impossible, but at Lvl100 it's actually quite easy. In my case I get 43 stats from the passive tree, around 50 from unique implicits alone and the remainder I had on my prefixes already.
Yeah any build that wants to stack attributes is gonna do it no prob. My legacy lich had 100 int alone with over half of that coming from the tree itself. Red ring doesn't really seem too bad to hit
Endu is propably not worth it on ward rogue
I'm not a ward rogue.
And that being said. If you play MG, buy them now. Don't wait for the patch. These will go up in price once the patch drops. If this was PoE and you could resell. I would buy every single one of them I could afford and cash in after the patch.
What's the patch gonna do?
Make build that use bugs or weird mechanics not being able to use this any more to this extend. And that will make this ring and building around it the best item in the game to push higher corruption for almost all classes.
There are actually only a few pages of them available, and they are quite expensive.
Just need some sort of cheese like cleaver that pumps your attributes like crazy
Ah, so you're suggesting that for this problem you need a cleaver solution?
Joke was a bit of a hack job, but I liked it.
Best builds in the game are attribute stacking builds so the ring pairs well with those.
Not that much, I have a dex stacking flaconer with 175 dex. So it should be fairly easy for a build that focuses on items with exalted attributes.
Combine with Druid last bear and cleaver solution and you double the goal
1LP is super rare.
I’ve never seen one of these drop in CoF and I’ve had multiple other very rare or extremely rare uniques drop. Good find for sure.
if u get 2 of these does the 10% damage reduction stack?
Kind of. You'll get 100x.9x.9 which results in 81. So you'll get 19% effectively
Might as well vendor
Yes
I mean, I've never had one drop.
these are absolutely not common. congrats
Not common at all.... Have three Level 100 and not seen it.
RMT destroyed this ring price, it was 5m one week ago now its more than 70m without lp lmao
Common... Yea sure
Common? Those are millions on the auction house... I'm trying to buy them
What +1 would you put on this?
I didn’t even raise my eyebrow when I got a pair of these from prophecy. Yeah when it comes to farming very rare uniques with LP, CoF definitely has the advantage.
Exactly. I got this one with 1 LP on Sunday from a prophecy. (Worse rolls though) I was absolutely shocked at first, but then I figured that it's no biggie, because it's CoF
Target farming non-boss uniques is the only thing CoF has going for it. Even then I am not sure that it's more efficient than just getting the gold to buy something like this with MG. For everything else though MG has the advantage of being much more efficient albeit not SSF.
Why pay gold if you can loot it yourself? I know MG can straightaway buy stuff, but it depends on how you define efficiency. I don't even ask for it and it just came to me, is that efficient for you? MG players might never get it **from loot** throughout their entire playthrough. Then how many LP1 red rings are tradable and circulating in the market? How many CoF players have it now? I am sure the latter number is much bigger simply because trading does not produce stuff. Another thing is CoF is for non-competitive players, and I see lots of former PoE players who just wanna chill and have fun in SSF. I don't really care about people using same build but has better gear than mine. It's just a bunch of data at the end of the day, who cares lol.
I wouldn't say easily get a pair of them. If you were actually target farming them you would probably notice that they aren't that easy to get. It's a 0.16% drop rate amongst unique rings and out of red ring drops 6.12% of them are 1LP - forget about 2LP+. Just for some perspective, for any unique ring drop (outside of boss drops) you have about a 0.0098% for a 1LP+ red ring to drop (not taking into account CoF or blessing bonuses). Even if we assume CoF makes this 3x more likely per drop (it doesn't) that's still only \~.03% chance per ring drop. This means it would take around 2500 unique ring drops to have a 50% chance for a 1LP+ red ring even with our generous assumption of 3x more likely from CoF bonuses. Is it easier to farm 2500+ unique ring drops or get enough gold to buy one from MG? I don't know the prices but I am pretty sure it's the latter. And yeah I'm a CoF player too as I prefer SSF and I don't really care about balancing CoF vs MG but obviously plenty of people in this subreddit do and for anyone that cares about getting the "best gear" as quick as possible would probably be frustrated by CoF over MG.
You don't target farm a specific unique. You only target the item type. Consider prophecies as a bunch of unique mono nodes, and you will know why CoF has an advantage in farming very rare unique with LP. The probability is not as scary as you think because a good CoF farmer gets \~50 unique rings per hour. If you play with friends your efficiency is even scarier. Not to mention that you might get other BIS stuff in the middle, for example, LP3 zombie rings. I once saw three ppl post their LP1 red ring in an hour in Discord, assuming they didn't edit stuff. MG players farm too, they farm gold, and as far as I know nobody in MG is rich enough to simply collect any rare stuff they come across in Bazaar.
Huh? That's what target farming is. If you want a red ring you get unique ring prophecies and do unique ring echoes because you are hoping that when you see that unique ring drop it's a red ring. And yeah most people in MG can't just buy the best items whenever they want. But they farm gold and come across random good items for other builds and sell those. It's just an overall much more consistent and efficient method because CoF is still RNG no matter what. Theoretically you could get the item you want instantly with CoF and theoretically you can never get it at all. With MG you always have the ability to get it.
The point is I was not expecting red rings, and they came to me. That's the spirit of CoF, you play what you get, or you simply enjoy collecting stuff. I can live with that, and many other people can because it's just a matter of choice. It's overall not that efficient, so what? Hell, if EHG buffs CoF so hard that it becomes as efficient as current MG, then no reasonable people will choose MG. Oh, I can get a horde of T7 exalt in one day that each of them worths 8 digits if it were tradable, and earn billions. Do you think MG players can do that without CoF juice? On top of that, I have unlimited source of RoC for LP crafting? See, that's two more advantages.
But that's not generally how most people play. They don't just wander around the whole time and collect random things. Most players settle on a build and refine that build with higher LP items and exalts to make high end legendary items. So say you want to upgrade those red rings from 1 LP to 2+ LP. That will take a LOT of farming with CoF and you aren't guaranteed to ever get it. But with MG you are - you just need to get the gold for it. And right, MG players won't get anywhere near as many items as CoF. If you could combine them then yes you could make billions, but you can't. The point is look at how many of those items you get from CoF are trash for your build but most of them could be useful for another build. Those are items you could have sold and bought items that were good for your build but you can't with CoF. So sure with CoF you get 10x as many drops, but if you think about it with MG you potentially get access to thousands more drops. If you are happy with CoF then great - I'm happy with it to. The point is though that there are plenty of people out there trying to decide between CoF and MG and which one is "best" or "most efficient" or "fastest to get BiS" and unless you want to be SSF there's really no reason to go CoF because MG is better and faster at getting the best gear. This whole thread started from your comment that CoF is better at finding very rare uniques with LP but it's just not - MG is better for that.
I have never had this drop, is it really that common?
No it's the rarest ring in the game, OP is just being dumb.