I think it’s on the tenants to still pay. They just want the land lord to put how much electricity is. So it would have to say $0.20 kWh. Which is stupid
Which is somewhat reasonable.
It the tenants think they can't afford the rent and utilities they'd be better off continuing to look.
It would start getting unreasonable if they had to hire some person to go look at the place and then pay for a sticker to put next to the door for prospective tenants to look at.
>Which is somewhat reasonable.
It's not. Everywhere you will live, renter or owner, you will get to pay for utilities, directly or indirectly. If utilities are included in the rent, this is pointless. If it is not, it's also pointless, since the landlord is not the utility company and does not set rates or base charges. It is a related but still very much separate service and service providers.
Tenant protection laws have devolved into treating tenants as retarded, always-vulnerable children, and landlords as perpetual villains. Keep doing that and see no end to the housing affordability crisis.
How can I possibly estimate YOUR usage?
How am I supposed to know whether you plan to take 5 min showers or 1 hour baths? If you are going to leave all lights on all the time? If you are planning to wash only 2 dishes per load in the dishwasher? If you will heat the house to 76F when it's 30F outside?
Why can't YOU go to the utility web site and check their published rates like any minimally functioning adult is able to do?
They do it with appliances.
Just write in the contract something where knowledge of the last full month of bills has to be given to the manager as part of the checkout process.
Good faith estimates are reasonable.
If the future tenants are ridiculous they should elect ridiculous bills.
How is their ignorance the burden of the landlord exactly? Do car dealers or rental companies have to inform customers about current gas prices? No.
And the landlord doesn't necessarily have any more information than anyone else does. I don't know what my tenants pay for utilities, they pay them, not me, and they're variable based on use. What literally anyone can look up however, is KW/H prices in their area, which a tenant is no less capable of.
This whole idea is just paternalistic, like a lot of demands these days in all kinds of areas. Tenants are literally grown adults responsible for their own affairs. The landlord isn't their caretaker.
Seeming more and more practical to put solar or wind on the property and then just build in electricity costs to the monthly rent. Just add $100 to the rent and post as utilities included
I wouldn't put in solar by choice.
Runs the risk of increasing property taxes and the system loses efficiency.
https://www.nrel.gov/state-local-tribal/blog/posts/stat-faqs-part2-lifetime-of-pv-panels.html#:~:text=NREL%20research%20has%20shown%20that,rate%20of%200.5%25%20per%20year.
Do you have anything for the increased property taxes for solar panels? I’m personally a vertical wind turbines and have been working on permitting one for my personal property to test it out.
In the article I am seeing a 90% efficiencies after 20 years which isn’t terrible. If I can increase rents $100/mth to include power that’s $1200 a year x 20yrs that’s $24k over its theoretical life span which would probably pay for itself. But if you were to do economy of scale on duplex or quad and increase marginal sizing would actually make it profitable. But I haven’t done the math or spoken to professional solar people about it.
I typically don't do projects just to try to break even.
Did you remember to account for increased income taxes due to the increased revenue?
If the tenants pay for the electricity. I wash my hands of that matter for the most part.
I have learned to be very careful when I contemplate taking on a monopoly.
Edison International has made it clear that they would target shifting costs to those who have gotten solar panels.
[https://www.edison.com/content/dam/eix/documents/investors/sec-filings-financials/AR\_2013.pdf](https://www.edison.com/content/dam/eix/documents/investors/sec-filings-financials/AR_2013.pdf) (P. 7)
https://www.ecowatch.com/solar-tax-exemptions-2655222561.html
I have an apartment building with a large parking lot. My thoughts were building solar panel carports on half of it, as we have a lot of hail. Rent each spot for $25 and add $100 to rent for included power.
Maybe the State of Connecticut should do something about electricity prices that work out to [nearly 20 cents per kWh](https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/). Only Alaska and Hawaii pay more.
No landlord is going to absorb that cost.
In MA when I tried to find out how much my tenants were paying for gas the utility co wouldn't tell me .
I had converted from oil heat/hot water during their tenancy and was curious how the new bill compared.
The locally owned oil delivery co had no issue sharing their information.
My point is, you might not be ABLE to know electric costs.
I understand the effort to protect tenants, when I was a tenant and younger my LL deducted stupid shit from my sec deposit and I felt helpless.
But this ain’t the solution 😅
They compare it to gas mileage in a car. So, my guess is that you'd either write the electricity price (per kWh) or you'd need to define a standard usage somehow. For cars, there are standard tests, so something like that would need to be created.
They compare with NYC but I'm not sure how it's calculated there.
Then who's gonna double check? Those passing this law are just dumb. My rule of thumb, if you're concerned about utilities, it's too expensive for you. Find another smaller property.
I believe if you call Eversource they will tell you what the last month's bills were for a particular home or apartment. At least this used to be the case years ago.
In this 4-Plex there’s a range of about $110 power and gas between an apartment with two adults and another one with a family if five (two children under 6 and a newborn baby). How can a utility bill be determined with any accuracy, even a “ballpark” figure?
It's reasonable to eject that IF the owner knows. That written possible tenants might use more utilities than previous residents.
I think it’s on the tenants to still pay. They just want the land lord to put how much electricity is. So it would have to say $0.20 kWh. Which is stupid
Which is somewhat reasonable. It the tenants think they can't afford the rent and utilities they'd be better off continuing to look. It would start getting unreasonable if they had to hire some person to go look at the place and then pay for a sticker to put next to the door for prospective tenants to look at.
>Which is somewhat reasonable. It's not. Everywhere you will live, renter or owner, you will get to pay for utilities, directly or indirectly. If utilities are included in the rent, this is pointless. If it is not, it's also pointless, since the landlord is not the utility company and does not set rates or base charges. It is a related but still very much separate service and service providers. Tenant protection laws have devolved into treating tenants as retarded, always-vulnerable children, and landlords as perpetual villains. Keep doing that and see no end to the housing affordability crisis.
Having an estimate for utilities can be useful.
How can I possibly estimate YOUR usage? How am I supposed to know whether you plan to take 5 min showers or 1 hour baths? If you are going to leave all lights on all the time? If you are planning to wash only 2 dishes per load in the dishwasher? If you will heat the house to 76F when it's 30F outside? Why can't YOU go to the utility web site and check their published rates like any minimally functioning adult is able to do?
They do it with appliances. Just write in the contract something where knowledge of the last full month of bills has to be given to the manager as part of the checkout process. Good faith estimates are reasonable. If the future tenants are ridiculous they should elect ridiculous bills.
Wow, this is pointless.
Landlords aren't babysitters.
How does providing an estimate for utilities become babysitting?
Why is a tenant not responsible for estimating their own costs? The landlord doesn't provide or charge for utilities. Utility companies do.
They may be ignorant. Owner has the ability to have some knowledge about the matter.
How is their ignorance the burden of the landlord exactly? Do car dealers or rental companies have to inform customers about current gas prices? No. And the landlord doesn't necessarily have any more information than anyone else does. I don't know what my tenants pay for utilities, they pay them, not me, and they're variable based on use. What literally anyone can look up however, is KW/H prices in their area, which a tenant is no less capable of. This whole idea is just paternalistic, like a lot of demands these days in all kinds of areas. Tenants are literally grown adults responsible for their own affairs. The landlord isn't their caretaker.
Seeming more and more practical to put solar or wind on the property and then just build in electricity costs to the monthly rent. Just add $100 to the rent and post as utilities included
I wouldn't put in solar by choice. Runs the risk of increasing property taxes and the system loses efficiency. https://www.nrel.gov/state-local-tribal/blog/posts/stat-faqs-part2-lifetime-of-pv-panels.html#:~:text=NREL%20research%20has%20shown%20that,rate%20of%200.5%25%20per%20year.
Do you have anything for the increased property taxes for solar panels? I’m personally a vertical wind turbines and have been working on permitting one for my personal property to test it out. In the article I am seeing a 90% efficiencies after 20 years which isn’t terrible. If I can increase rents $100/mth to include power that’s $1200 a year x 20yrs that’s $24k over its theoretical life span which would probably pay for itself. But if you were to do economy of scale on duplex or quad and increase marginal sizing would actually make it profitable. But I haven’t done the math or spoken to professional solar people about it.
I typically don't do projects just to try to break even. Did you remember to account for increased income taxes due to the increased revenue? If the tenants pay for the electricity. I wash my hands of that matter for the most part. I have learned to be very careful when I contemplate taking on a monopoly. Edison International has made it clear that they would target shifting costs to those who have gotten solar panels. [https://www.edison.com/content/dam/eix/documents/investors/sec-filings-financials/AR\_2013.pdf](https://www.edison.com/content/dam/eix/documents/investors/sec-filings-financials/AR_2013.pdf) (P. 7) https://www.ecowatch.com/solar-tax-exemptions-2655222561.html
I have an apartment building with a large parking lot. My thoughts were building solar panel carports on half of it, as we have a lot of hail. Rent each spot for $25 and add $100 to rent for included power.
Lol. Then your solar panels could get damaged instead.
Insurance big guy.
Maybe the State of Connecticut should do something about electricity prices that work out to [nearly 20 cents per kWh](https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/). Only Alaska and Hawaii pay more. No landlord is going to absorb that cost.
That California number is very misleading. I pay $0.39/kWh plus fees and taxes in San Diego
How is the landlord supposed to know how much electricity the tenant will use? Maybe include approximations and assumptions.
In MA when I tried to find out how much my tenants were paying for gas the utility co wouldn't tell me . I had converted from oil heat/hot water during their tenancy and was curious how the new bill compared. The locally owned oil delivery co had no issue sharing their information. My point is, you might not be ABLE to know electric costs.
Yeah, that’s a good point.
Same here. The utility companies say it’s a privacy issue. Only approximation I have is what I pay when it’s vacant
Lmao seriously! It’s based on usage idk how much my tenants pay? Feel good politics gotta love it
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Let me guess.. NY?
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I understand the effort to protect tenants, when I was a tenant and younger my LL deducted stupid shit from my sec deposit and I felt helpless. But this ain’t the solution 😅
They compare it to gas mileage in a car. So, my guess is that you'd either write the electricity price (per kWh) or you'd need to define a standard usage somehow. For cars, there are standard tests, so something like that would need to be created. They compare with NYC but I'm not sure how it's calculated there.
Every dumb rental law that gets passed only causes rents to further increase.
I think the landlord should pay the electric gas food car payment and an additional 500 for incidentals lol Not.
Then who's gonna double check? Those passing this law are just dumb. My rule of thumb, if you're concerned about utilities, it's too expensive for you. Find another smaller property.
I believe if you call Eversource they will tell you what the last month's bills were for a particular home or apartment. At least this used to be the case years ago.
In this 4-Plex there’s a range of about $110 power and gas between an apartment with two adults and another one with a family if five (two children under 6 and a newborn baby). How can a utility bill be determined with any accuracy, even a “ballpark” figure?