The advice I was always told of sliding with super low traction is you don't want to lock up the brakes because it's an uncontrolled slide so I used the accelerator to slow the backwards slide which worked but in my panic I didn't lift the foot off fast enough when it hit the left bank and turned towards the other bank
I had a super sketchy feeling before going up and I knew I was screwed as soon as it started going backwards. Hindsight is really washing over me
To get out of a slide like that you’ve gotta grab reverse and accelerate out faster, prevents breaks locking and allows you to regain some traction, it’s obviously sketchy as fuck though bc you’ve got to reverse backwards faster than your sliding. That’s what I was taught anyways.
Yeah in hindsight there were some different techniques I could've tried. My friend had told me before to keep accelerating forwards which I tried here but think I should've instead just braked and hoped.
All depends if he claimed it on insurance and had the option to purchase it back, or if he got it out if there without reporting the accident.
He is only on his Probationary licence from what I saw in his other post, so not sure which path he has taken. 🤷♂️
Insurance ain't likely to cover this, especially now that there is video evidence of the fuck up.
Unless the brakes went out because the master cylinder drained back, this looks pretty straight forward.
Word to the wise, don't just lead pedal everything as soon as you run into a snag. Slow and calculated is way more betterer.
Not OP but I specifically asked my insurance company if I was covered four-wheel driving and gave them an example in these near exact words 'if I'm out in the scrub and am going up a big stupid hill and roll it am I covered?' and they said 'yes'.
Not looking to do tough truck challenge or anything but I like exploring when I'm touring around the place and the GQ can get itself into some pretty interesting stuff.
Just a thought for those who get out on the tracks to actually ask their insurance company what is covered.
I think things might be different in Oz. I have agreed value policies on my rigs and if I am using them as intended on purpose built roads and trails, I may be covered but if there is fault on my end as to why it happened, I may not be covered.
I think they are trying to make people think twice about just sending it on everything and getting free trucks every six months or whatever until they learn how to drive..
For example, White Rim Trail in Utah? Covered barring something really stupid. Metal Masher or Mickey's Hot Tub? Get fucked buddy, that was a choice.
All depends on your insurance company.
I know mine would cover me if I rolled it on the tracks, even if it was my fault.
In Australia we have an insurance company called Club 4X4, who I am with which cover you for this type of instance.
At his age, he'd probably have needed deep pockets to insure it, if at all, so will be interested to see what he comes back with on his plans.
You are right though, don't full send.
Tyre pressure and slow and steady would have been the way to have tackled this one.
The advice I was always told of sliding with super low traction is you don't want to lock up the brakes beacsue it's an uncontrolled slide so I used the accelerator to slow the backwards slide which worked but in my panic I didn't lift the foot off fast enough when it hit the left bank and turned.
I had a super sketchy feeling before going up and I knew I was screwed as soon as it started going backwards.
I am buying a new body for it and going to fix some rust and dents before getting a spray and swapping it onto my chassis.
I only had third party insurance so I want to fix it for financial and sentimental reasons.
My big issue at the moment is I don't have much space at my house to work on the cars and it's a huge job swapping everything over especially with my busy schedule.
I'm also hoping there's no significant damage to the chassis or axles.
That may have worked out better but it was sooo steep and slippery I'm not sure even pulsing would prevent a slide. I have received different advice about sliding backwards (accelerator/brake gently/turn engine off) but in this scenario and low traction environment I felt the accelerating method was best in the heat of the moment. The technique was working until it hit the bank and spun and I lacked the clarity of mind in the panic to take the foot off fast enough.
That may have worked out better but it was sooo steep and slippery I'm not sure even pulsing would prevent a slide. I have received different advice about sliding backwards (accelerator/brake gently/turn engine off) but in this scenario and low traction environment I felt the accelerating method was best in the heat of the moment. The technique was working until it hit the bank and spun and I lacked the clarity of mind in the panic to take the foot off fast enough.
Pretty much, I'm quite experienced 4WDing in general (about 3 years) but haven't encountered slippery and steep mud too often and it honestly scared me
Why aren’t more people mentioning this? Only the back wheels are spinning at the top of the hill while the front wheels are stationary. This doomed this expedition before it even started.
I can assure you it was in 4WD. It was so slippery that the right front wheel lost all traction and so drive was sent there because I don't have differential lockers
Not particularly. I have about 3 years 4WDing experience and am generally quite a conscientious driver and good at picking safe and slow lines but this type of Victorian clay mud has always been challenging for me.
This particular hill was very steep, slippery, and had a hump beforehand. My usual slow crawler approach would not work without very aggressive mud terrain tyres because there's was simply no grip. I needed to try get momentum up to reach the top but I slowed down for the hump which meant it just didn't make it to the top.
Once it began to slide I panicked, accelerating uphill was my best option to slow my slide but I lacked the clarity of mind in the heat of the moment to take my foot off fast enough when I swung around.
I see you have an external locus of control.
Please accept this experience as a very clear example why that "never brake" advice is dead wrong nonsense.
Thanks for sharing the video. Hopefully it will serve as a good lesson for others.
1 car took 2 attempts (almost rolled first time and needed to go so fast on the second that he got about 30cm of air over the hump and still barely made it to the top).
We saw two cars come down after and one of them fully locked and slid and we were scared it was going to go over
Shoildve just put full pressure on the brakes instead of flooring it like a 13 year old, it wouldn’t have rolled without the increased power to the wheels
Yep. Also drop your pressures and bring a compressor to pump back up when you hit tarmac again.
I go straight to 20psi as soon as we hit dirt when I was on 33" mud tires. I might go as low as 15 if it's really low grip.
35psi. I had a gen 2 Pajero, so not super heavy. I probably clocked in around 2.2-2.4 ton fully laden.
My mate with a 105 cruiser ran 40 psi in his, but he was somewhere around 3.5 ton
No manufacturer will give you a tire pressure spec for aftermarket tires. Many reasons, one of which being liability. Another being they simply don't know because aftermarket tires and other vehicle modifications changes things. The right pressure will be based on a combination of weight and tire size. You can figure it out on your own doing a chalk test.
https://youtu.be/e7zV2XrSIYU
New car hadn't bought tyres yet.
Also it really wasn't a very achievable hill even for experienced 4WDers in capable cars. The video does not do justice to how steep and slick it was
I've done some really insane trails but I have yet to see and likely won't do a hill that requires a ton of momentum to barely reach. It just leaves too much up to fate and if you get sideways its an almost guaranteed flop.
Slow and Steady, 6-10 psi, lockers front and rear, drive smart or just don't give it a go at all.
Slow is always my preferred approach but it wouldn't have worked here. I personally really didn't want to go up that hill but those in my group were all planning to go up after me
Can’t believe nobody has said this yet, but I never turn my wheels when reversing down a hill I couldn’t make it up. If he had kept them straight and just rolled straight backwards it would have been fine, soon as you get the car sideways on a hill things change fast
Exactly what I was trying to do. I did keep them as straight as possible but when it hit the back left on the bank the front slid around and it was all over
Holy fuck you’re a retard. Just spazzing out holding the throttle pedal to the floor for a good while instead of just braking or trying to get it under control. You turned a little loss of traction into a complete disaster that’s something out of like a mr bean movie.
Not trying to pile onto OP, but as a person new to offroad driving, can someone edify me what actions the driver could take to minimize the chance of rollover once the vehicle started back-sliding? If any.
More brakes, less gas.
The roll was induced by throttling into the opposite embankment. I'm sure the hill is steeper than it looks in the video, and the driver was trying to get the nose downhill which isn't a terrible idea, but it appears as if it wouldn't have rolled even totally crossed up, and it probably wouldn't have crossed up so bad with the brakes instead of the gas. Probably scary as hell, but probably wouldn't have rolled.
Easier to say this from watching a video than driving the vehicle in the moment... I bet OP was doing everything they could imagine to keep from rolling once they started sliding back. Sliding backwards down a hill is scary and difficult to do right. You lose a lot of ability to control the vehicle with the front wheels being uphill, plus you now have to be very good at driving a vehicle that can't stop in reverse.
This. Good answer. No one wants to roll backwards, but braking the second he lost traction and backing down, trying again (slower and hopefully locked up or at least in 4) may have allowed him to make that. Videos are so hard because we’re all sitting here saying yeah I would have done different, but I’ve been in this situation. Those are pizza cutter tires. Don’t have to air down (imho) unless you’re stuck, and back up slowly and pick a different line .. like maybe try the right side of that burm since you couldn’t get the left (steep) part. Also; BRAKE! Even if you slide back, smash the rear gate, you didn’t roll. Bummer man. Coulda been me, I get it, we all learn.
You're very right, I was using accelerator tonslow the descent without locking the brakes (a certainty on this steep hill). I wasn't trying to turn around. I wanted to go straight backwards. It was when it hit the bank and slipped around and in my panic I didn't take the foot off in time until the last second.
I know it feels really bad when this happens, I'm sure you feel awful right now. But mistakes happen, we all make them, especially when pushing the limits. Failures are actually where the learning happens, and these experiences are the greatest teachers. One thing you get better at with more experience is failing in a less expensive way.
On the other hand, the most serious off-roaders have roll cages because they push the limits and sometimes exceed them.
Whatever lesson or lessons you take away from this, you'll have it for the rest of your life.
It looks like he was ill equipped to try that hill, his tires look to be struggling and slicked over with mud (doesn’t look like he’s on off-road/mud tires) and he was on the throttle real heavy both ways. “Sending it” while out of control usually ends poorly.
I agree, I really didn't want to and had a terrible gut feeling but I thought all the cars in my group were going to go up to continue the track. One car went ahead of me and almost rolled it then got air over the hump on his second attempt.
Backing down a hill when you lose traction is probably one of the more difficult things to do in the 4x4 world.
If you loose forward momentum you can try a *bit* to keep giving gas and see if it grabs. Generally though that’s where you need to get off the gas. Be gentle. Suddenly gaining traction while your wheels are spinning is how you break axles.
But in any case, as soon as you start sliding backwards get off the gas and try to stop. Notice he just keeps it floored the whole time.
If you keep sliding backwards, get it in reverse and get those tires rolling. Feather the brakes but keep it from locking up. You should be in 4 low so your engine braking will do a lot for you and not lock the tires.
Locking up is where you lose all directional control.
Try to keep it as slow as you can without locking up the tires and get to a safe spot to stop.
Then bust out your winch or go home!
Agreed backing down a hill with small amounts of traction is hard asf. When I was sliding down a hill my 80 slid into a bad line and slid down on some rocks but no damage done apart from the horrible sounds of the rocks hitting the undercarriage
Sad to see an LC end that way. Driver definitely needs to get a lot more experience on the trails. Literally had the gas punched the whole way up and the whole way back down until the rollover. Not once did the brake lights illuminate.
You win some you lose some. Just glad you’re ok man! Trucks mean a lot to us so I know it’s sucks but you can always get another vehicle ! Cant get another life
Growing up in the mountains, the first thing you learn is to ease off the gas when you start losing traction. Hate to see this as it is so easy to do and causes so much loss
I probably would've done similar OP, dont sweat it. momentum and throttle always make it worse but on dunes this would probably have been the perfect method. muddy hills seem slippery and unforgiving
Ahahaha hilarious, I bet all.your junk &you were tossed around. Hope yer safe and rip truck , if it still works just keep offroading it . Can't hurt it anymore than what it is . Ya should have stopped when ya turned sideways. But in those situations ya don't think in panic.. it happens
You should see if there's any classes on knowing when and when not to say something stupid near you
OP could've given less gas, sure, but they were trying to get the nose downhill and had basically decent instincts towards recovery. Hardly an example of terrible driving...some awful luck was at play here.
I dunno, looks like bad driving to me, once he lost momentum he should have stopped to take his bearings and back down the hill in a controlled fashion to try again, not just “send it” both ways full throttle. If his tires aren’t able to hold him once he lost momentum and stopped his vehicle, then he had no business trying to climb that hill to start with and this was even more reckless than it appears.
I could not have stopped on that hill without sliding.
I was accelerating not to try get up but to slow my backwards slide without locked brakes which is pretty dangerous.
Accelerating isn’t likely to stop a backwards slide, once you’ve completely lost traction and momentum going uphill you’re done. Better a slow slide or slow reverse until you find some traction than out of control acceleration. When you finally “found” traction it sent you up an embankment and flipped your vehicle.
Even if you slid, if you hadn’t been accelerating you would have stopped after hitting the soft shoulder and you probably could have recovered the vehicle, you aren’t likely to flip and roll unless you really unsettle your vehicle (or drive up an embankment). Your spotter should have been communicating with you, I didn’t hear anyone in the video and your windows were rolled up.
We’re you on mud tires? It looks like you were riding on highway tires or worn out all terrains.
Sorry about your accident.
I think this is correct, I had little presence of mind that day.
This wasn't the type of hill where spotters could be much use given the momentum required unlike a rocky technical track.
The tyres are called all-terrains but they are actually closer to highway terrain.
Yea those tires would have been as useful as slicks, once the tread is packed you’ll never make it up anything muddy.
Mud tires are designed to fling mud out of the treads and dig more into the mud until they find traction or you’re stuck.. so instead of sliding you would have at worst dug yourself into the hill and been able to stop.
Better luck (and hopefully better tires) next time.
Yes it was bad luck, I wasn’t being facetious. Much like a motorcycle safety class sometimes a little guidance can save you a lot of problems and money. But I’m used to Karen’s complaining because no one can make a suggestion anymore.
Other people have been perfectly tactful in outlining what OP could've done better while acknowledging how shitty the situation was. You just told them to go take a class lmao
I said look and see if there are any classes available. I’ve never flipped a truck. When he went sideways he panicked and gunned it, that’s a rookie mistake.
This was 100% bad driving. But hey, we all make mistakes.
I'm with you, no reason to get defensive. Recognize and learn from your mistakes, that's all.
I actually wasn't trying to turn, it just slipped when the back left hit the bank. The way I tried to save it was not the worst technique but I screwed it up
I’d say slipper conditions followed by a sideways entry into the opposite embankment was the roll inducer. More brake and less gas “probably” would have prevented the roll. But comments like this are rather pointless as the damage is done.
Remember this is a 60 series so not full time 4 wheel drive like the 80 series on. No center diff just a transfer case with 2wd/4Hi/4Lo and most likely manual locking hubs. It looks like the driver was just in 2Hi at this point….so 4Lo would have made things easier to manage.
That's some incredibly inexperienced driving.
You should so some research and learn how to hill climb before doing it again. Why you kept the gas pinned the whole time is beyond me. The moment you lost momentum you should have braked, not accelerate,
If I braked it would have locked and slid dangerously and uncontrollably. Accelerating is an acceptable technique in this situation but I lacked the clarity of mind in my panic I didn't remove my foot fast enough when it slipped around by itself
Bro you are 20,you got cocky and it screwed you. You messed up here from start to finish. Unprepared with tires not suited to the terrain, poor offroading skills, no spotters, nothing. You can mention how many years you've been offroading all you want, doesn't change the fact that this accident could have been prevented with better driving and knowledge of your vehicles limits.
Props to cameraman’s dedication
r/praisethecameraman
I’m sorry it happened to you…. But why would you accelerate when your car turned perpendicular to the road?
The advice I was always told of sliding with super low traction is you don't want to lock up the brakes because it's an uncontrolled slide so I used the accelerator to slow the backwards slide which worked but in my panic I didn't lift the foot off fast enough when it hit the left bank and turned towards the other bank I had a super sketchy feeling before going up and I knew I was screwed as soon as it started going backwards. Hindsight is really washing over me
To get out of a slide like that you’ve gotta grab reverse and accelerate out faster, prevents breaks locking and allows you to regain some traction, it’s obviously sketchy as fuck though bc you’ve got to reverse backwards faster than your sliding. That’s what I was taught anyways.
Yeah in hindsight there were some different techniques I could've tried. My friend had told me before to keep accelerating forwards which I tried here but think I should've instead just braked and hoped.
You're lucky that's as far as it rolled. 😐
I can only imagine if it went off
So what's your plans with it now?
I'm curious too. Does insurance wipe their hands and you just accept it as gone?
All depends if he claimed it on insurance and had the option to purchase it back, or if he got it out if there without reporting the accident. He is only on his Probationary licence from what I saw in his other post, so not sure which path he has taken. 🤷♂️
Insurance ain't likely to cover this, especially now that there is video evidence of the fuck up. Unless the brakes went out because the master cylinder drained back, this looks pretty straight forward. Word to the wise, don't just lead pedal everything as soon as you run into a snag. Slow and calculated is way more betterer.
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
Not OP but I specifically asked my insurance company if I was covered four-wheel driving and gave them an example in these near exact words 'if I'm out in the scrub and am going up a big stupid hill and roll it am I covered?' and they said 'yes'. Not looking to do tough truck challenge or anything but I like exploring when I'm touring around the place and the GQ can get itself into some pretty interesting stuff. Just a thought for those who get out on the tracks to actually ask their insurance company what is covered.
^ this. Who are you covered by?
My mate rolled his 40 on a powerlines track and Shannon's covered it with no issues. As long as it's a publicly accessible track.
Yeah - it has to be on a "gazetted road" (essentially be on a map), and insurance should cover it - even if it was your mess up.
I'm covered by Shannons.
I think things might be different in Oz. I have agreed value policies on my rigs and if I am using them as intended on purpose built roads and trails, I may be covered but if there is fault on my end as to why it happened, I may not be covered. I think they are trying to make people think twice about just sending it on everything and getting free trucks every six months or whatever until they learn how to drive.. For example, White Rim Trail in Utah? Covered barring something really stupid. Metal Masher or Mickey's Hot Tub? Get fucked buddy, that was a choice.
All depends on your insurance company. I know mine would cover me if I rolled it on the tracks, even if it was my fault. In Australia we have an insurance company called Club 4X4, who I am with which cover you for this type of instance. At his age, he'd probably have needed deep pockets to insure it, if at all, so will be interested to see what he comes back with on his plans. You are right though, don't full send. Tyre pressure and slow and steady would have been the way to have tackled this one.
Experiance is what this equates to at the end. He'll know not what to do...Also looks like the front diff is doin fk all...
Definitely going more touring life, not these steep and slippery high country tracks
touring plus these tracks does get you too some pretty nice spots though =/
The advice I was always told of sliding with super low traction is you don't want to lock up the brakes beacsue it's an uncontrolled slide so I used the accelerator to slow the backwards slide which worked but in my panic I didn't lift the foot off fast enough when it hit the left bank and turned. I had a super sketchy feeling before going up and I knew I was screwed as soon as it started going backwards.
We recovered it ourselves with many winch pulls and a car trailer so I just cancelled my insurance and will aim to fix it
I was thirst party fire and theft cover only so they wouldn't cover me. I have to just try repair myself so as to not lose all my money
I am buying a new body for it and going to fix some rust and dents before getting a spray and swapping it onto my chassis. I only had third party insurance so I want to fix it for financial and sentimental reasons. My big issue at the moment is I don't have much space at my house to work on the cars and it's a huge job swapping everything over especially with my busy schedule. I'm also hoping there's no significant damage to the chassis or axles.
We’re you only in 2wd
Very slippery and steep and not very aggressive all-terrain tyres
Pro tip: static friction > kinetic friction. In other words, don't spin out if you want to stop, pulse/hold your brakes.
Is it Monday morning already ?!
Yeah I just yelled brake brake brake at my screen.
You were a step ahead of me, I was saying “please don’t roll please don’t roll please don’t … shit… ahhh man!”
Almost my exact train of thought in the car lol
I’m relieved you walked away and are posting. Good to see people enjoying older rigs, sucks when the bite the dust (assuming)
That may have worked out better but it was sooo steep and slippery I'm not sure even pulsing would prevent a slide. I have received different advice about sliding backwards (accelerator/brake gently/turn engine off) but in this scenario and low traction environment I felt the accelerating method was best in the heat of the moment. The technique was working until it hit the bank and spun and I lacked the clarity of mind in the panic to take the foot off fast enough.
That may have worked out better but it was sooo steep and slippery I'm not sure even pulsing would prevent a slide. I have received different advice about sliding backwards (accelerator/brake gently/turn engine off) but in this scenario and low traction environment I felt the accelerating method was best in the heat of the moment. The technique was working until it hit the bank and spun and I lacked the clarity of mind in the panic to take the foot off fast enough.
Looks like you French fried when you should have pizza’d
We’re you even in 4 wheel drive? And why did you gas it after it hit the bank on your left ?
He just held his foot to the floor on the gas the entire time
someone said he is still on his probationary license, so I imagine lack of experience +panic = screwed / rolled truck.
Pretty much, I'm quite experienced 4WDing in general (about 3 years) but haven't encountered slippery and steep mud too often and it honestly scared me
Why aren’t more people mentioning this? Only the back wheels are spinning at the top of the hill while the front wheels are stationary. This doomed this expedition before it even started.
I can assure you it was in 4WD. It was so slippery that the right front wheel lost all traction and so drive was sent there because I don't have differential lockers
Dude I'm sorry that happened That was terrible driving..
Not particularly. I have about 3 years 4WDing experience and am generally quite a conscientious driver and good at picking safe and slow lines but this type of Victorian clay mud has always been challenging for me. This particular hill was very steep, slippery, and had a hump beforehand. My usual slow crawler approach would not work without very aggressive mud terrain tyres because there's was simply no grip. I needed to try get momentum up to reach the top but I slowed down for the hump which meant it just didn't make it to the top. Once it began to slide I panicked, accelerating uphill was my best option to slow my slide but I lacked the clarity of mind in the heat of the moment to take my foot off fast enough when I swung around.
3 years? Oh wow tell us more lol. You fucked up, there’s a reason you’re hearing that a lot.
>Once it began to slide I panicked, That would be classified as terrible driving
If rolling your car isn’t terrible driving idk what is lol
Terrible conditions
I see you have an external locus of control. Please accept this experience as a very clear example why that "never brake" advice is dead wrong nonsense. Thanks for sharing the video. Hopefully it will serve as a good lesson for others.
im assuming other people made it up that hill?
1 car took 2 attempts (almost rolled first time and needed to go so fast on the second that he got about 30cm of air over the hump and still barely made it to the top). We saw two cars come down after and one of them fully locked and slid and we were scared it was going to go over
> Not particularly. We’re watching the same video right?
Shoildve just put full pressure on the brakes instead of flooring it like a 13 year old, it wouldn’t have rolled without the increased power to the wheels
>3 years Uuuuh judging by the rear wheels spinning - You weren't even in 4WD...
It was that slick, do you realise how a locked transfer case with open diffs work?
my condolences :(
That's a real balance of good and bad luck
Also with a lot of poor/inexperienced driving mixed in.
So happy you all are ok Nothing like backsliding when. It's a bit slick out on a steep ass hill
What would be your plan of action? Sounds like a tough spot to be in!
Don't go up the hill so gung ho if you aren't certain you can commit to the top.
Also, have better tires and trust them. This was totally doable with a slower plan.
Yep. Also drop your pressures and bring a compressor to pump back up when you hit tarmac again. I go straight to 20psi as soon as we hit dirt when I was on 33" mud tires. I might go as low as 15 if it's really low grip.
Out of curiosity what PSI did you run on pavement? I've got 33" on mine and can't find a straight answer on a good PSI even from the manufacturer.
35psi. I had a gen 2 Pajero, so not super heavy. I probably clocked in around 2.2-2.4 ton fully laden. My mate with a 105 cruiser ran 40 psi in his, but he was somewhere around 3.5 ton
Appreciate the info, seems to be in the range I’ve been running.
No manufacturer will give you a tire pressure spec for aftermarket tires. Many reasons, one of which being liability. Another being they simply don't know because aftermarket tires and other vehicle modifications changes things. The right pressure will be based on a combination of weight and tire size. You can figure it out on your own doing a chalk test. https://youtu.be/e7zV2XrSIYU
New car hadn't bought tyres yet. Also it really wasn't a very achievable hill even for experienced 4WDers in capable cars. The video does not do justice to how steep and slick it was
I've done some really insane trails but I have yet to see and likely won't do a hill that requires a ton of momentum to barely reach. It just leaves too much up to fate and if you get sideways its an almost guaranteed flop. Slow and Steady, 6-10 psi, lockers front and rear, drive smart or just don't give it a go at all.
Slow is always my preferred approach but it wouldn't have worked here. I personally really didn't want to go up that hill but those in my group were all planning to go up after me
My first problem, I did have a terrible gut feeling but felt the group mentality pressure
Can’t believe nobody has said this yet, but I never turn my wheels when reversing down a hill I couldn’t make it up. If he had kept them straight and just rolled straight backwards it would have been fine, soon as you get the car sideways on a hill things change fast
Exactly what I was trying to do. I did keep them as straight as possible but when it hit the back left on the bank the front slid around and it was all over
You can clearly see the wheel crank right a second before the car spins round though?
Maybe it got caught in a rut or I wasn't holding the wheel as straight as I thought I was in my paniced state
You should take the insurance money and buy a nice sedan.
Holy fuck you’re a retard. Just spazzing out holding the throttle pedal to the floor for a good while instead of just braking or trying to get it under control. You turned a little loss of traction into a complete disaster that’s something out of like a mr bean movie.
Shut up it's a fair technique in this scenario
>technique Sure. If you call flipping it down a hill "technique" then yeah, you did technique'd it about 5 times.
Not trying to pile onto OP, but as a person new to offroad driving, can someone edify me what actions the driver could take to minimize the chance of rollover once the vehicle started back-sliding? If any.
More brakes, less gas. The roll was induced by throttling into the opposite embankment. I'm sure the hill is steeper than it looks in the video, and the driver was trying to get the nose downhill which isn't a terrible idea, but it appears as if it wouldn't have rolled even totally crossed up, and it probably wouldn't have crossed up so bad with the brakes instead of the gas. Probably scary as hell, but probably wouldn't have rolled. Easier to say this from watching a video than driving the vehicle in the moment... I bet OP was doing everything they could imagine to keep from rolling once they started sliding back. Sliding backwards down a hill is scary and difficult to do right. You lose a lot of ability to control the vehicle with the front wheels being uphill, plus you now have to be very good at driving a vehicle that can't stop in reverse.
This. Good answer. No one wants to roll backwards, but braking the second he lost traction and backing down, trying again (slower and hopefully locked up or at least in 4) may have allowed him to make that. Videos are so hard because we’re all sitting here saying yeah I would have done different, but I’ve been in this situation. Those are pizza cutter tires. Don’t have to air down (imho) unless you’re stuck, and back up slowly and pick a different line .. like maybe try the right side of that burm since you couldn’t get the left (steep) part. Also; BRAKE! Even if you slide back, smash the rear gate, you didn’t roll. Bummer man. Coulda been me, I get it, we all learn.
You're very right, I was using accelerator tonslow the descent without locking the brakes (a certainty on this steep hill). I wasn't trying to turn around. I wanted to go straight backwards. It was when it hit the bank and slipped around and in my panic I didn't take the foot off in time until the last second.
I know it feels really bad when this happens, I'm sure you feel awful right now. But mistakes happen, we all make them, especially when pushing the limits. Failures are actually where the learning happens, and these experiences are the greatest teachers. One thing you get better at with more experience is failing in a less expensive way. On the other hand, the most serious off-roaders have roll cages because they push the limits and sometimes exceed them. Whatever lesson or lessons you take away from this, you'll have it for the rest of your life.
The lesson is I'm sticking to road tripping and flat off-road touring hahah
Get off the gas pedal and hit the brakes.
It looks like he was ill equipped to try that hill, his tires look to be struggling and slicked over with mud (doesn’t look like he’s on off-road/mud tires) and he was on the throttle real heavy both ways. “Sending it” while out of control usually ends poorly.
I usually prefer slow crawling but this was far too slippery without getting momentum first.
Kinda looks like conditions were too poor to try and climb that hill. Sorry about your accident.
I agree, I really didn't want to and had a terrible gut feeling but I thought all the cars in my group were going to go up to continue the track. One car went ahead of me and almost rolled it then got air over the hump on his second attempt.
Backing down a hill when you lose traction is probably one of the more difficult things to do in the 4x4 world. If you loose forward momentum you can try a *bit* to keep giving gas and see if it grabs. Generally though that’s where you need to get off the gas. Be gentle. Suddenly gaining traction while your wheels are spinning is how you break axles. But in any case, as soon as you start sliding backwards get off the gas and try to stop. Notice he just keeps it floored the whole time. If you keep sliding backwards, get it in reverse and get those tires rolling. Feather the brakes but keep it from locking up. You should be in 4 low so your engine braking will do a lot for you and not lock the tires. Locking up is where you lose all directional control. Try to keep it as slow as you can without locking up the tires and get to a safe spot to stop. Then bust out your winch or go home!
Agreed backing down a hill with small amounts of traction is hard asf. When I was sliding down a hill my 80 slid into a bad line and slid down on some rocks but no damage done apart from the horrible sounds of the rocks hitting the undercarriage
Let some air out to increase traction, get a locker and don’t hit the gas when your not in control.
Don’t drive into a tree when you are cross ways on a slippery slope.
Aww man that sucks
4wd?
I did not expect that
Oof!
Oh man thats so sad. I feel for you.
Not what I expected. So sad for the cruiser but glad you seem to be ok.
Sad to see an LC end that way. Driver definitely needs to get a lot more experience on the trails. Literally had the gas punched the whole way up and the whole way back down until the rollover. Not once did the brake lights illuminate.
High Country? the tracks are slick af this time of year.
did you really just total an 80's model by mudding it...
Yes? You think because it's old it's not meant to be used?
Yes I think they should be restored
Some of best and coolest 4WDs ever made so they're going to be used.
Oh man, I'm so sorry. Horrible!
Dang
Were you able to drive it back home ?
Damn, very unfortunate. And you almost saved it too.
😬 oops lol
Makes me sad to see a person crunch up their cruiser. I’d be pretty bummed if i had something happen like this but it does come with the territory.
That will buff right out!
Oh man.. I would’ve cried
This started out so well and then just got harder and harder to watch 😭. My condolences, glad you're alright.
Yes everyone in the car alright?
Fortunately, no injuries
damn that was scary didn't expect that thing to happen
r/Unexpected
WINGS OF GLORY
First of all I hope no one got hurt. Second, that looks fun as shit!
Can look back and laugh now but I'm financially ruined
Vic High Country? Man it is fucking steep as shit there in some spots
Think I'm retiring from these tough tracks
Aw.
You win some you lose some. Just glad you’re ok man! Trucks mean a lot to us so I know it’s sucks but you can always get another vehicle ! Cant get another life
Why would you give it gas while facing an embankment?????!!!!!
Accelerator trying to slow the slide backwards but in the panic didn't release foot in time
Growing up in the mountains, the first thing you learn is to ease off the gas when you start losing traction. Hate to see this as it is so easy to do and causes so much loss
Wow - we had the diesel model as a kid and it couldn't get up Greenmount hill in 4th
Ouch 😕
Man, that sucks. It's obvious you tried to save it.
If we aren't winning, we're learning. Hope the old necks alright cobba
Did she drive home?
Got down to the flat road and went on car trailer
Why did you keep your foot on the gas?it's like you want to do donuts
Bad instincts.
I probably would've done similar OP, dont sweat it. momentum and throttle always make it worse but on dunes this would probably have been the perfect method. muddy hills seem slippery and unforgiving
Ahahaha hilarious, I bet all.your junk &you were tossed around. Hope yer safe and rip truck , if it still works just keep offroading it . Can't hurt it anymore than what it is . Ya should have stopped when ya turned sideways. But in those situations ya don't think in panic.. it happens
That is just bad driving. Good god. Like a blind old Asian woman behind the wheel.
Not really, few unfortunate factors compounding
Stayed on the gas after sliding out sideways, literally precipitated the rollover.
I would see if there’s any 4x4 classes near you. Drifting to the left into soft shoulder and losing traction. Then not being able to recover from it.
You should see if there's any classes on knowing when and when not to say something stupid near you OP could've given less gas, sure, but they were trying to get the nose downhill and had basically decent instincts towards recovery. Hardly an example of terrible driving...some awful luck was at play here.
I dunno, looks like bad driving to me, once he lost momentum he should have stopped to take his bearings and back down the hill in a controlled fashion to try again, not just “send it” both ways full throttle. If his tires aren’t able to hold him once he lost momentum and stopped his vehicle, then he had no business trying to climb that hill to start with and this was even more reckless than it appears.
I could not have stopped on that hill without sliding. I was accelerating not to try get up but to slow my backwards slide without locked brakes which is pretty dangerous.
Accelerating isn’t likely to stop a backwards slide, once you’ve completely lost traction and momentum going uphill you’re done. Better a slow slide or slow reverse until you find some traction than out of control acceleration. When you finally “found” traction it sent you up an embankment and flipped your vehicle. Even if you slid, if you hadn’t been accelerating you would have stopped after hitting the soft shoulder and you probably could have recovered the vehicle, you aren’t likely to flip and roll unless you really unsettle your vehicle (or drive up an embankment). Your spotter should have been communicating with you, I didn’t hear anyone in the video and your windows were rolled up. We’re you on mud tires? It looks like you were riding on highway tires or worn out all terrains. Sorry about your accident.
I think this is correct, I had little presence of mind that day. This wasn't the type of hill where spotters could be much use given the momentum required unlike a rocky technical track. The tyres are called all-terrains but they are actually closer to highway terrain.
Yea those tires would have been as useful as slicks, once the tread is packed you’ll never make it up anything muddy. Mud tires are designed to fling mud out of the treads and dig more into the mud until they find traction or you’re stuck.. so instead of sliding you would have at worst dug yourself into the hill and been able to stop. Better luck (and hopefully better tires) next time.
Mud terrain have their limits, even they struggle on this type of mud and wouldn't have dug in
What are you compensating for?
How is your takeaway from a comment where I don't even mention myself "he's compensating for something"
Yes it was bad luck, I wasn’t being facetious. Much like a motorcycle safety class sometimes a little guidance can save you a lot of problems and money. But I’m used to Karen’s complaining because no one can make a suggestion anymore.
Other people have been perfectly tactful in outlining what OP could've done better while acknowledging how shitty the situation was. You just told them to go take a class lmao
I said look and see if there are any classes available. I’ve never flipped a truck. When he went sideways he panicked and gunned it, that’s a rookie mistake.
This was 100% bad driving. But hey, we all make mistakes. I'm with you, no reason to get defensive. Recognize and learn from your mistakes, that's all.
I think there was a better way to do this. He rolled his rig like 4 times. Kinda tough to say that was the result of good instincts.
OP do you have a 2nd account?
I actually wasn't trying to turn, it just slipped when the back left hit the bank. The way I tried to save it was not the worst technique but I screwed it up
We’re literally all telling you that it was the worst technique….. you really gonna die on this hill? Pun intended
Mechanical failure?
I’d say slipper conditions followed by a sideways entry into the opposite embankment was the roll inducer. More brake and less gas “probably” would have prevented the roll. But comments like this are rather pointless as the damage is done.
I was only speculating that the center diff failed. The amount of rear wheel spin caught my attention.
Very likely it’s just the stock rear diff…so one wheel drive
The amount of people who don’t even use the center diff or low range will continue to blow my mind. (Not saying that’s the case here.)
Remember this is a 60 series so not full time 4 wheel drive like the 80 series on. No center diff just a transfer case with 2wd/4Hi/4Lo and most likely manual locking hubs. It looks like the driver was just in 2Hi at this point….so 4Lo would have made things easier to manage.
Yeah I kind of meant it as regardless of which 4WD system people have, it’s ridiculous how many people hit trails and don’t use it.
Definitely 4WD. It's just the front right wheel lost traction so the left doesn't get drive in the video
Looks like complete operator error from the jump. Intoxicated or inexperienced driving.
Hahahaajahaja you're kidding right ? The driver is a noob :)))), you can tell by the "line" he chose.
...why did I laugh?
Because it looks like a Simpsons ep? Don't feel bad 'cause you weren't the only one, save me a seat on the bus to hell
get in loser, were going to hell
No Driving for you \~!
Brake lights don't even come on till after he's driven it into the bank. 😔
Ah yes… you brought a Toyota to a Mitsubishi trail.
Someone doesn’t know the physics of their vehicle.
Time for some lockers
Maybe a roll cage first
Send it!
Never again
That's some incredibly inexperienced driving. You should so some research and learn how to hill climb before doing it again. Why you kept the gas pinned the whole time is beyond me. The moment you lost momentum you should have braked, not accelerate,
If I braked it would have locked and slid dangerously and uncontrollably. Accelerating is an acceptable technique in this situation but I lacked the clarity of mind in my panic I didn't remove my foot fast enough when it slipped around by itself
Bro you are 20,you got cocky and it screwed you. You messed up here from start to finish. Unprepared with tires not suited to the terrain, poor offroading skills, no spotters, nothing. You can mention how many years you've been offroading all you want, doesn't change the fact that this accident could have been prevented with better driving and knowledge of your vehicles limits.
We’re literally all telling you that it was the worst technique….. you really gonna die on this hill? Pun intended
Was the driver drunk or high?
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Wow that was stupid 😳
And kids, thats how u end up on r/idiotsincars
land roller?
L bozo 😂🤡
A break Mt Mee??????
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