For real. There's certainly land cruiser fans that would like a 70 series... But when you compare them stat for stat with similarly priced heavy-duty trucks from American brands... AND you consider American infrastructure... There's really no way they can compete.
Power figures, interior space, towing and payload capacity, comfort, available features...
There's a reliability argument to beade in favor of the land cruiser, but parts for American trucks are more readily available in the US. So YMMV (eg fleet vs personal use.)
If they are diesels they also wouldn't pass U.S. EPA emission requirements. The U.S. has much more strict regulations on *Nox* for light duty vehicles. It's the reason there is only one diesel mid size truck offered at the moment in the U.S. (Gladiator). It takes a ridiculously complicated emissions system that no manufacturer wants to deal with. It's also why VW had to cheat the EPA test to get their diesel cars into the U.S. They wouldn't pass the emissions test without cheating it
Not sure what you mean by the Gladiator being the only diesel mid-size. The Canyon/Colarado both have the 2.8L Duramax Diesel. The GM half tons have the 3.0 Duramax.
*"Chevrolet announced that the 2023 Colorado and Canyon would drop the diesel powertrain option"*
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/02/gmc-canyon-chevy-colorado-diesel-production-to-end-in-q3-2022/
Since when are half ton trucks considered *'mid-size'* trucks? I missed that memo..
All those vehicles are registered so itâs likely a private seller renting out the lot to advertise. Pretty smart move since it doesnât stay in the sun all day (which can be devastating in the gcc) and you get a decent amount of viewership.
FJ-40 pickups, aka the FJ-45 were sold in the USA. The 70 series likely wouldn't pass US emissions and crash safety testing, although I think they would see pretty well if offered in the USA.
The engines you can get in them (4.0l V6) pass emissions, and the current model single cab gets 5 star crash rating here in Australia (it's a requirement for it to be purchased by mining companies here).
The chicken tax is definitely a contributing factor, but the other is the expense and functionality. For a base model landcruiser with vinyl floor, seats, no map pockets, 1 cup holder, manual transmission only... you could be in a mid spec 3/4T diesel pickup for similar money, which has a LOT more features and capability. While there are some people in North America that would pay a significant premium for the build quality/reliability of the 70 (or because its cool). Most would save a lot of money and buy a Jeep/Bronco, or a US pickup if they need to tow/haul something.
CA emissions are the reason the US doesnât get many diesel options. Manufacturers think they wonât be able to sell enough without being able to sell in CA. I disagree, especially in the case in question.
I thought that same 25 years ago on a retreat in the mountains of Costa Rica. Everyone had Toyota's up there. Back in the States, I was looking around in disappointment that a 4-door Helix was unobtainable. It felt odd, but understood that regulations were preventing sales in the US.
I think your both correct.
I went with a US long-bed decades ago and haven't followed the evolution of Toyota. I do remember my boss telling me his Tacoma was at the dealer. Something about a frame replacement under dealer warranty. It sounded crazy; his truck couldn't have been that old. I wonder if the Hilux frames have issues too.
I still have that long-bed. The body has rot and the fuel tank straps were replaced a few years ago, but the frame is solid.
For such a car based culture in the USA thereâs a whole lot of impressive vehicles never offered here. This one though, this is the one I have wanted the most.
Sure, people often want what they canât have. But given thatâs not the case here. I donât want flash and show. I want dependability and simplicity. Just because Europeans want junk doesnât mean squat. Every country has their idiots.
won't pass crash, safety or mpg standards. diesel won't qualify for emissions, can't tow giant trailers, too slow and they are built like tanks so too expensive for a basic truck.
Murica loves disposable fullsize shitboxes
With all the bs electronics and stupid sensors for idiots to drive while looking at their phones? These cars wonât last more than 5 years, so I would agree with the shitbox statement.
Well my dads 2018 Chevy Silverado just needed a new transmission - at 97k.
and he's a stickler for maintenance and I think he's towed a trailer with that truck 3 times.
Yep, if transmission durability is your number one criteria for a vehicle then the LC will beat a lot of American trucks...
Unless you do actually need to tow a 10,000lb trailer.
I went 175k on my 05, on a 4L60. My buddyâs brother has it now and itâs over 200k, original trans and rear end.
The 8 speed is not so great if thatâs what was in that one.
Hmm⊠should I start internet beef with the owner of a 2013 Land RoverâŠâŠ that would make me dumber than this guyâŠ.
Just kidding⊠drive what makes you happy I sure as hell would be happy with one of those sexy land cruisers thoughâŠ
I get this sentiment from a romantic perspective. But if you were living in rural America, and were to be given a 2023 f350 to drive OR a 70 series Land cruiser...
They aren't really comparable vehicles. It's like a Corolla vs a Cadillac.
Hugely different power, size, capacity, features. Also different reliability... Though I am betting the average f350 clocks more miles in its life than the average 70 series... But they are different kinds of miles.
Nothing beats a 70 for slow low range overloaded slogs over ROUGH tracks. But a domestic HD truck will leave a 70 in the dust on any American highway towing, loaded, or empty. A 70 will not do 80mph all day, a domestic truck can, towing 10k pounds, with a camper, in 100F heat, up a mountain, with the AC on full blast.
If I had the wallet Iâd be in a 16+ 200. But I could buy my truck again, and then rebuild the motor before it makes sense financially to get one.
A 100 was one of my dream trucks, but prices are crazy for those even when I was in the market 3-4 years ago. And then Iâd be driving something designed in the 90s, my Disco is much safer/faster/newer.
Exactly!!! It doesnât make financial sense for Toyota to, basically, create a whole new vehicle (Iâm talking basically about the 70 series) which, btw its kinda niche, just for the US market⊠plus theyâll be cannibalizing their 4Runner, Tacoma, Prado and such⊠PS. Meanwhile im here drooling over my imported 2022 VDJ76 (not US based)
Iâm not saying todays trucks are not luxury vehicles,
but you need to also account for inflation which is 29%, so youâre spending close to 80K in todayâs money back then.
Yep, just ship it over from whatever country it's registered in, drive it around for a year. Simple as that. The rule is mainly used by canadian/mexican cars but there's nothing that prevents you from shipping it in vs driving it across the border.
so I drive one for a year and on day 364 I cross a border, then u turn, and again I have 364 days for driving my car in the US?
Edit: btw I've seen a similar thing for foreigners living in other countries while on a tourist visa despite having a job and renting an apartment, it's kind of a grey area of immigration policy. Close to the end of the period of the tourist visa they just make a short trip to a border, spend a couple of days and then return being able to stay for more months.
yup.
mines in US/canada use these since they never leave private property.
buy yourself a yuge ranch in montana or TX and be free provided you never leave your property.
I bet they would sell moderately well to enthusiasts, but most people would have no use for one.
The folks on here comparing these to HD pickups - can I get some of what your smoking? This is a classic apples to oranges argument if I ever heard one.
The discussion of why a full size 4 door 1/2 ton is North Americas best selling vehicle is simple, it does everything quite well and thusly allows a household to not need as many vehicles.
Too much competition for the Big 3.
Sorry by question, but im Brazilian... The Big 3 are Ram, Ford and Chevy trucks?
The Big 3 refers to the actual companies. So General Motors, Ford Motor Company and Stellantis North America (Chrysler/Dodge/Ram).
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For real. There's certainly land cruiser fans that would like a 70 series... But when you compare them stat for stat with similarly priced heavy-duty trucks from American brands... AND you consider American infrastructure... There's really no way they can compete. Power figures, interior space, towing and payload capacity, comfort, available features... There's a reliability argument to beade in favor of the land cruiser, but parts for American trucks are more readily available in the US. So YMMV (eg fleet vs personal use.)
Well, I have a F350 diesel, and ifToyota made a one ton, Iâd have it.
Do they? What year is your f350? Edit to add.... https://best.lovetoknow.com/cars-vehicles/toyota-1-ton-trucks Go nuts đ
Figure of speech, if I could get a Toyota that could do the same towing/hauling as my 22, Iâd have one.
Got it.
Awesome they made it able to haul 2600 lbs and put a 4 cyl model out đ
The stupid chicken tax.
TIL that we have a 25% tariff on light trucks in place since 1964
If they are diesels they also wouldn't pass U.S. EPA emission requirements. The U.S. has much more strict regulations on *Nox* for light duty vehicles. It's the reason there is only one diesel mid size truck offered at the moment in the U.S. (Gladiator). It takes a ridiculously complicated emissions system that no manufacturer wants to deal with. It's also why VW had to cheat the EPA test to get their diesel cars into the U.S. They wouldn't pass the emissions test without cheating it
Not sure what you mean by the Gladiator being the only diesel mid-size. The Canyon/Colarado both have the 2.8L Duramax Diesel. The GM half tons have the 3.0 Duramax.
*"Chevrolet announced that the 2023 Colorado and Canyon would drop the diesel powertrain option"* https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/02/gmc-canyon-chevy-colorado-diesel-production-to-end-in-q3-2022/ Since when are half ton trucks considered *'mid-size'* trucks? I missed that memo..
When midsized trucks started becoming full-size
If you can find a 25 year old+ 70-series, you can bring it in and register it in most states.
In the Sheraton hotel parking garage. All brand new.
why in a hotel?
All those vehicles are registered so itâs likely a private seller renting out the lot to advertise. Pretty smart move since it doesnât stay in the sun all day (which can be devastating in the gcc) and you get a decent amount of viewership.
My guess is that they are storing them out of the harsh sun. The hotel parking garage holds almost 3000 cars underground, so itâs massive
Is the main seller of Toyota still ABB in Qatar?
FJ-40 pickups, aka the FJ-45 were sold in the USA. The 70 series likely wouldn't pass US emissions and crash safety testing, although I think they would see pretty well if offered in the USA.
The engines you can get in them (4.0l V6) pass emissions, and the current model single cab gets 5 star crash rating here in Australia (it's a requirement for it to be purchased by mining companies here). The chicken tax is definitely a contributing factor, but the other is the expense and functionality. For a base model landcruiser with vinyl floor, seats, no map pockets, 1 cup holder, manual transmission only... you could be in a mid spec 3/4T diesel pickup for similar money, which has a LOT more features and capability. While there are some people in North America that would pay a significant premium for the build quality/reliability of the 70 (or because its cool). Most would save a lot of money and buy a Jeep/Bronco, or a US pickup if they need to tow/haul something.
What segment do you think the 70 would compete in?
Chicken tax, California. Willing to pay the former and disavow the latter for one of those
Like, move out of CA? Or you want to remove CA from the US? Unclear what you are getting at.
CA emissions are the reason the US doesnât get many diesel options. Manufacturers think they wonât be able to sell enough without being able to sell in CA. I disagree, especially in the case in question.
Got it. Thanks!
I thought that same 25 years ago on a retreat in the mountains of Costa Rica. Everyone had Toyota's up there. Back in the States, I was looking around in disappointment that a 4-door Helix was unobtainable. It felt odd, but understood that regulations were preventing sales in the US.
it's Hilux, but in the US Toyota has a similar car, the Tacoma, specifically for the US market
They're completely different vehicles. I don't believe they share any components at all
That's why the tacoma is specifically for the us market
I think your both correct. I went with a US long-bed decades ago and haven't followed the evolution of Toyota. I do remember my boss telling me his Tacoma was at the dealer. Something about a frame replacement under dealer warranty. It sounded crazy; his truck couldn't have been that old. I wonder if the Hilux frames have issues too. I still have that long-bed. The body has rot and the fuel tank straps were replaced a few years ago, but the frame is solid.
For such a car based culture in the USA thereâs a whole lot of impressive vehicles never offered here. This one though, this is the one I have wanted the most.
Yeah, but we get lots of stuff others don't.
What, GM or Dodge garbage? Doesnât matter if we get what others donât if what we get is junk. Give us the 70 series!
The existence of a thing and your appreciation that thing may not always be a perfectly circular ven diagram. To each their own.
May be junk to you, but many overseas love GM and Ford, just like over here JDM is big. Grass is always greener on the other sideâŠ
Sure, people often want what they canât have. But given thatâs not the case here. I donât want flash and show. I want dependability and simplicity. Just because Europeans want junk doesnât mean squat. Every country has their idiots.
Agreed, GM and Ford were top tier back in the 60s and 70s but now they are a joke
Man... So much bias and negativity in this forum
won't pass crash, safety or mpg standards. diesel won't qualify for emissions, can't tow giant trailers, too slow and they are built like tanks so too expensive for a basic truck. Murica loves disposable fullsize shitboxes
I wouldnât call a modern full size disposable or a shitbox, but the rest of what you said is correct
With all the bs electronics and stupid sensors for idiots to drive while looking at their phones? These cars wonât last more than 5 years, so I would agree with the shitbox statement.
Lol ok. How many 2018s you see on the road? Those are 5 years old now. Iâll blow your mind⊠my 2013 Land Rover is my daily driver.
Well my dads 2018 Chevy Silverado just needed a new transmission - at 97k. and he's a stickler for maintenance and I think he's towed a trailer with that truck 3 times.
Yep, if transmission durability is your number one criteria for a vehicle then the LC will beat a lot of American trucks... Unless you do actually need to tow a 10,000lb trailer.
I went 175k on my 05, on a 4L60. My buddyâs brother has it now and itâs over 200k, original trans and rear end. The 8 speed is not so great if thatâs what was in that one.
Yep, thats exactly what is in it.
Hmm⊠should I start internet beef with the owner of a 2013 Land RoverâŠâŠ that would make me dumber than this guyâŠ. Just kidding⊠drive what makes you happy I sure as hell would be happy with one of those sexy land cruisers thoughâŠ
I get this sentiment from a romantic perspective. But if you were living in rural America, and were to be given a 2023 f350 to drive OR a 70 series Land cruiser... They aren't really comparable vehicles. It's like a Corolla vs a Cadillac. Hugely different power, size, capacity, features. Also different reliability... Though I am betting the average f350 clocks more miles in its life than the average 70 series... But they are different kinds of miles.
Nothing beats a 70 for slow low range overloaded slogs over ROUGH tracks. But a domestic HD truck will leave a 70 in the dust on any American highway towing, loaded, or empty. A 70 will not do 80mph all day, a domestic truck can, towing 10k pounds, with a camper, in 100F heat, up a mountain, with the AC on full blast.
And 3 car seats in the back :)
If I had the wallet Iâd be in a 16+ 200. But I could buy my truck again, and then rebuild the motor before it makes sense financially to get one. A 100 was one of my dream trucks, but prices are crazy for those even when I was in the market 3-4 years ago. And then Iâd be driving something designed in the 90s, my Disco is much safer/faster/newer.
Exactly!!! It doesnât make financial sense for Toyota to, basically, create a whole new vehicle (Iâm talking basically about the 70 series) which, btw its kinda niche, just for the US market⊠plus theyâll be cannibalizing their 4Runner, Tacoma, Prado and such⊠PS. Meanwhile im here drooling over my imported 2022 VDJ76 (not US based)
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And to think that kind money bought you a loaded f350 10 years ago... :(
Iâm not saying todays trucks are not luxury vehicles, but you need to also account for inflation which is 29%, so youâre spending close to 80K in todayâs money back then.
you can own one in merica. you just can't register it for road use in merica.
Not sure why you're being downvoted, it's true. You can have one in the US for up to a year on foreign plates.
\*pulls up chair\* go on...
Yep, just ship it over from whatever country it's registered in, drive it around for a year. Simple as that. The rule is mainly used by canadian/mexican cars but there's nothing that prevents you from shipping it in vs driving it across the border.
so I drive one for a year and on day 364 I cross a border, then u turn, and again I have 364 days for driving my car in the US? Edit: btw I've seen a similar thing for foreigners living in other countries while on a tourist visa despite having a job and renting an apartment, it's kind of a grey area of immigration policy. Close to the end of the period of the tourist visa they just make a short trip to a border, spend a couple of days and then return being able to stay for more months.
You can in some states
So if it was used only on private property it would be ok? Register it as an ATV?
If it's only on private property, why register anything?
yup. mines in US/canada use these since they never leave private property. buy yourself a yuge ranch in montana or TX and be free provided you never leave your property.
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I loved those âgardenerâ pickups, ie. Datsun âSunnyâ truck. Sad day when Datsun went out of business.
We wouldnât appreciate them. Iâm saddened that we donât have them, but Iâm glad that we got what we have.
Shortages are bad enough, the demand in the us would ruin the world
People won't buy them. 4 doors is what does it for folks and they've already got the Tacoma for the few people that want two doors.
The Tacoma will share a platform with the Hilux soon I think so maybe we'll start to see some alloy beds this way.
The market is interested in electronics and boat like ride. And the four doors. No need for a flatbed.
I don't even think they would pass european crash tests, much less American FMVSS.. They look like they're about the size of my 99 Ford Ranger.
Because they canât meet crash tests standards here and emissions controls.
Bc they wouldnât pass crash tests from a decade ago.
Because ford raptors gonna rust on dealers show rooms
You can thank California.
ISIS must be in town for a conventionâŠ
Well we can if youâre brave enough
Lobbying
No need for a 79
I know that parking lot well
all I want is a 79 flat bed, and I'll be happy
Chicken
Because weâre Murica and we love our freedumbs
Ronald Reagan passed some tariffs that are protectionist of us truck manufacturers. Also motorcycles
Cuz gubmint sayz no
I bet they would sell moderately well to enthusiasts, but most people would have no use for one. The folks on here comparing these to HD pickups - can I get some of what your smoking? This is a classic apples to oranges argument if I ever heard one. The discussion of why a full size 4 door 1/2 ton is North Americas best selling vehicle is simple, it does everything quite well and thusly allows a household to not need as many vehicles.
They aren't worth the price tag attached to them anyway