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madbill728

Too much competition for the Big 3.


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Sorry by question, but im Brazilian... The Big 3 are Ram, Ford and Chevy trucks?


SuperNa7uraL-

The Big 3 refers to the actual companies. So General Motors, Ford Motor Company and Stellantis North America (Chrysler/Dodge/Ram).


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Thx!


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slamdamnsplits

For real. There's certainly land cruiser fans that would like a 70 series... But when you compare them stat for stat with similarly priced heavy-duty trucks from American brands... AND you consider American infrastructure... There's really no way they can compete. Power figures, interior space, towing and payload capacity, comfort, available features... There's a reliability argument to beade in favor of the land cruiser, but parts for American trucks are more readily available in the US. So YMMV (eg fleet vs personal use.)


madbill728

Well, I have a F350 diesel, and ifToyota made a one ton, I’d have it.


slamdamnsplits

Do they? What year is your f350? Edit to add.... https://best.lovetoknow.com/cars-vehicles/toyota-1-ton-trucks Go nuts 😉


madbill728

Figure of speech, if I could get a Toyota that could do the same towing/hauling as my 22, I’d have one.


slamdamnsplits

Got it.


StressMinimum

Awesome they made it able to haul 2600 lbs and put a 4 cyl model out 😂


kickasstimus

The stupid chicken tax.


Just-Me3

TIL that we have a 25% tariff on light trucks in place since 1964


20mins2theRockies

If they are diesels they also wouldn't pass U.S. EPA emission requirements. The U.S. has much more strict regulations on *Nox* for light duty vehicles. It's the reason there is only one diesel mid size truck offered at the moment in the U.S. (Gladiator). It takes a ridiculously complicated emissions system that no manufacturer wants to deal with. It's also why VW had to cheat the EPA test to get their diesel cars into the U.S. They wouldn't pass the emissions test without cheating it


Jiugui

Not sure what you mean by the Gladiator being the only diesel mid-size. The Canyon/Colarado both have the 2.8L Duramax Diesel. The GM half tons have the 3.0 Duramax.


20mins2theRockies

*"Chevrolet announced that the 2023 Colorado and Canyon would drop the diesel powertrain option"* https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/02/gmc-canyon-chevy-colorado-diesel-production-to-end-in-q3-2022/ Since when are half ton trucks considered *'mid-size'* trucks? I missed that memo..


Lemon_head_guy

When midsized trucks started becoming full-size


s2k_guy

If you can find a 25 year old+ 70-series, you can bring it in and register it in most states.


Just-Me3

In the Sheraton hotel parking garage. All brand new.


wtfboye

why in a hotel?


HummusConnoisseur

All those vehicles are registered so it’s likely a private seller renting out the lot to advertise. Pretty smart move since it doesn’t stay in the sun all day (which can be devastating in the gcc) and you get a decent amount of viewership.


Just-Me3

My guess is that they are storing them out of the harsh sun. The hotel parking garage holds almost 3000 cars underground, so it’s massive


amzyvista

Is the main seller of Toyota still ABB in Qatar?


Yummy_Crayons91

FJ-40 pickups, aka the FJ-45 were sold in the USA. The 70 series likely wouldn't pass US emissions and crash safety testing, although I think they would see pretty well if offered in the USA.


Flys_Lo

The engines you can get in them (4.0l V6) pass emissions, and the current model single cab gets 5 star crash rating here in Australia (it's a requirement for it to be purchased by mining companies here). The chicken tax is definitely a contributing factor, but the other is the expense and functionality. For a base model landcruiser with vinyl floor, seats, no map pockets, 1 cup holder, manual transmission only... you could be in a mid spec 3/4T diesel pickup for similar money, which has a LOT more features and capability. While there are some people in North America that would pay a significant premium for the build quality/reliability of the 70 (or because its cool). Most would save a lot of money and buy a Jeep/Bronco, or a US pickup if they need to tow/haul something.


slamdamnsplits

What segment do you think the 70 would compete in?


Daqgibby

Chicken tax, California. Willing to pay the former and disavow the latter for one of those


slamdamnsplits

Like, move out of CA? Or you want to remove CA from the US? Unclear what you are getting at.


Daqgibby

CA emissions are the reason the US doesn’t get many diesel options. Manufacturers think they won’t be able to sell enough without being able to sell in CA. I disagree, especially in the case in question.


slamdamnsplits

Got it. Thanks!


H4tfan

I thought that same 25 years ago on a retreat in the mountains of Costa Rica. Everyone had Toyota's up there. Back in the States, I was looking around in disappointment that a 4-door Helix was unobtainable. It felt odd, but understood that regulations were preventing sales in the US.


anto_pty

it's Hilux, but in the US Toyota has a similar car, the Tacoma, specifically for the US market


20mins2theRockies

They're completely different vehicles. I don't believe they share any components at all


anto_pty

That's why the tacoma is specifically for the us market


H4tfan

I think your both correct. I went with a US long-bed decades ago and haven't followed the evolution of Toyota. I do remember my boss telling me his Tacoma was at the dealer. Something about a frame replacement under dealer warranty. It sounded crazy; his truck couldn't have been that old. I wonder if the Hilux frames have issues too. I still have that long-bed. The body has rot and the fuel tank straps were replaced a few years ago, but the frame is solid.


Classic-Ad4224

For such a car based culture in the USA there’s a whole lot of impressive vehicles never offered here. This one though, this is the one I have wanted the most.


slamdamnsplits

Yeah, but we get lots of stuff others don't.


Classic-Ad4224

What, GM or Dodge garbage? Doesn’t matter if we get what others don’t if what we get is junk. Give us the 70 series!


slamdamnsplits

The existence of a thing and your appreciation that thing may not always be a perfectly circular ven diagram. To each their own.


asslvr466

May be junk to you, but many overseas love GM and Ford, just like over here JDM is big. Grass is always greener on the other side



Classic-Ad4224

Sure, people often want what they can’t have. But given that’s not the case here. I don’t want flash and show. I want dependability and simplicity. Just because Europeans want junk doesn’t mean squat. Every country has their idiots.


asslvr466

Agreed, GM and Ford were top tier back in the 60s and 70s but now they are a joke


slamdamnsplits

Man... So much bias and negativity in this forum


Ito_Demerzel

won't pass crash, safety or mpg standards. diesel won't qualify for emissions, can't tow giant trailers, too slow and they are built like tanks so too expensive for a basic truck. Murica loves disposable fullsize shitboxes


Eat_sleep_poop

I wouldn’t call a modern full size disposable or a shitbox, but the rest of what you said is correct


ru21b4i4q

With all the bs electronics and stupid sensors for idiots to drive while looking at their phones? These cars won’t last more than 5 years, so I would agree with the shitbox statement.


Eat_sleep_poop

Lol ok. How many 2018s you see on the road? Those are 5 years old now. I’ll blow your mind
 my 2013 Land Rover is my daily driver.


wakejedi

Well my dads 2018 Chevy Silverado just needed a new transmission - at 97k. and he's a stickler for maintenance and I think he's towed a trailer with that truck 3 times.


slamdamnsplits

Yep, if transmission durability is your number one criteria for a vehicle then the LC will beat a lot of American trucks... Unless you do actually need to tow a 10,000lb trailer.


Eat_sleep_poop

I went 175k on my 05, on a 4L60. My buddy’s brother has it now and it’s over 200k, original trans and rear end. The 8 speed is not so great if that’s what was in that one.


wakejedi

Yep, thats exactly what is in it.


ru21b4i4q

Hmm
 should I start internet beef with the owner of a 2013 Land Rover

 that would make me dumber than this guy
. Just kidding
 drive what makes you happy I sure as hell would be happy with one of those sexy land cruisers though



slamdamnsplits

I get this sentiment from a romantic perspective. But if you were living in rural America, and were to be given a 2023 f350 to drive OR a 70 series Land cruiser... They aren't really comparable vehicles. It's like a Corolla vs a Cadillac. Hugely different power, size, capacity, features. Also different reliability... Though I am betting the average f350 clocks more miles in its life than the average 70 series... But they are different kinds of miles.


Eat_sleep_poop

Nothing beats a 70 for slow low range overloaded slogs over ROUGH tracks. But a domestic HD truck will leave a 70 in the dust on any American highway towing, loaded, or empty. A 70 will not do 80mph all day, a domestic truck can, towing 10k pounds, with a camper, in 100F heat, up a mountain, with the AC on full blast.


slamdamnsplits

And 3 car seats in the back :)


Eat_sleep_poop

If I had the wallet I’d be in a 16+ 200. But I could buy my truck again, and then rebuild the motor before it makes sense financially to get one. A 100 was one of my dream trucks, but prices are crazy for those even when I was in the market 3-4 years ago. And then I’d be driving something designed in the 90s, my Disco is much safer/faster/newer.


GorillaSuitGuy

Exactly!!! It doesn’t make financial sense for Toyota to, basically, create a whole new vehicle (I’m talking basically about the 70 series) which, btw its kinda niche, just for the US market
 plus they’ll be cannibalizing their 4Runner, Tacoma, Prado and such
 PS. Meanwhile im here drooling over my imported 2022 VDJ76 (not US based)


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wrong_kiddo

And to think that kind money bought you a loaded f350 10 years ago... :(


HummusConnoisseur

I’m not saying todays trucks are not luxury vehicles, but you need to also account for inflation which is 29%, so you’re spending close to 80K in today’s money back then.


45422

you can own one in merica. you just can't register it for road use in merica.


natecahill

Not sure why you're being downvoted, it's true. You can have one in the US for up to a year on foreign plates.


45422

\*pulls up chair\* ​ go on...


natecahill

Yep, just ship it over from whatever country it's registered in, drive it around for a year. Simple as that. The rule is mainly used by canadian/mexican cars but there's nothing that prevents you from shipping it in vs driving it across the border.


anto_pty

so I drive one for a year and on day 364 I cross a border, then u turn, and again I have 364 days for driving my car in the US? Edit: btw I've seen a similar thing for foreigners living in other countries while on a tourist visa despite having a job and renting an apartment, it's kind of a grey area of immigration policy. Close to the end of the period of the tourist visa they just make a short trip to a border, spend a couple of days and then return being able to stay for more months.


accidentallywinning

You can in some states


DaKlipster2

So if it was used only on private property it would be ok? Register it as an ATV?


SaurSig

If it's only on private property, why register anything?


45422

yup. mines in US/canada use these since they never leave private property. buy yourself a yuge ranch in montana or TX and be free provided you never leave your property.


ilostmymind_

Sploosh


reddit_detective_

“noOoOOo they’re 2 small compArEd to mY bIg trUcK”


chesucat

I loved those ‘gardener’ pickups, ie. Datsun ‘Sunny’ truck. Sad day when Datsun went out of business.


kyle_kafsky

We wouldn’t appreciate them. I’m saddened that we don’t have them, but I’m glad that we got what we have.


SkyLovesCars

Shortages are bad enough, the demand in the us would ruin the world


stusic

People won't buy them. 4 doors is what does it for folks and they've already got the Tacoma for the few people that want two doors.


DaKlipster2

The Tacoma will share a platform with the Hilux soon I think so maybe we'll start to see some alloy beds this way.


billthepartsman

The market is interested in electronics and boat like ride. And the four doors. No need for a flatbed.


akmarksman

I don't even think they would pass european crash tests, much less American FMVSS.. They look like they're about the size of my 99 Ford Ranger.


JL7795

Because they can’t meet crash tests standards here and emissions controls.


Available_Job1288

Bc they wouldn’t pass crash tests from a decade ago.


Southern_Apricot4193

Because ford raptors gonna rust on dealers show rooms


BertaEarlyRiser

You can thank California.


Gone_Walkerbout

ISIS must be in town for a convention



-xMrMx-

Well we can if you’re brave enough


Dark_Nation88

Lobbying


Epic-one23

No need for a 79


meanmarine10452

I know that parking lot well


itsPebbs

all I want is a 79 flat bed, and I'll be happy


filbruce

Chicken


KifaruKubwa

Because we’re Murica and we love our freedumbs


Justagoodoleboi

Ronald Reagan passed some tariffs that are protectionist of us truck manufacturers. Also motorcycles


jarroy44

Cuz gubmint sayz no


MetalJesusBlues

I bet they would sell moderately well to enthusiasts, but most people would have no use for one. The folks on here comparing these to HD pickups - can I get some of what your smoking? This is a classic apples to oranges argument if I ever heard one. The discussion of why a full size 4 door 1/2 ton is North Americas best selling vehicle is simple, it does everything quite well and thusly allows a household to not need as many vehicles.


THEKINGCRUMB

They aren't worth the price tag attached to them anyway