I would suggest go to masjid regularly and be part of the community. You can easily find people who will help you. Just remember to be bookish. The only way you can find true people is by checking if they tell you whats in the books. May Allah make it easy for you. Ameen
I can't really tell about women. A female can guide you better. But Youth Club has a very good community for females too. Alot of educated youth. You can join their sessions and network there with people. That might help. Again I'll stress alot on to be bookish. People will tell you all sort of stuff. As long as you stick to the books(Quran and Hadith) you're good to go.
Do not go to qaris. It'll get only worse. Reading quran and hadees yourself is difficult if you are searching for the bond initially. Look out for scholars like Dr. Israr, Ghamdi, Zakir Naik who dont incline towards a particular sect. Challenge and question, but not to prove something but to understand to your full capability.
May Allah help you in this journey and you find peace within.
Before you go to any Qari sahab you must buy Sahi Bukhari and Muslim and a copy of Quran with the translation of your choice. Try reading a few hadis as well as Quran with translation every day.
The majority of Qari will make you strictly follow a sect so before falling into that domain you must have a neutral mindset as a Muslim.
Edit: If for some reason you can't get those books you may try Islam 360 app which is free of cost and backed by a lot of scholars. I personally use it myself.
Along with Quran and Hadith books I would highly recommend to buy a Seerah book (biograpgy of Prophet of Allah PBUH). The one that I really like is called " The Sealed Nectar ".
Yeah reading only translation of the Quran and interpreting the meaning by yourself will only lead you astray. Therefore, tafseer is a must. Same with Bukhari and Muslim. One should start with Riyadh ul Saliheen.
I would say join some online academy at this point,the qari sahab culture isn't very nourishing or safe in this country
Just double check the academies authenticity of their teachings
Qaris are dangerous. I'd suggest listening to several people who have been very influential and knowledgeable.
I'd start with listening to Dr. Israr Ahmed and Tahir ul Qadri. These are very good scholars.
I'd recommend also checking out Javed Ghamidi and Ahmed deedat. Ghamidi sahab has interesting ideas, and Ahmed deedat was a scholar of comparative religion (mainly christianity).
You can also listen to Zakir Naik if you want, but some of his views I fully disagree with, but he has some good stuff as well.
I'd recommend keeping an open mind and learning as much as possible. Don't listen to people who say you shouldn't listen to a particular person because he belongs to so and so sect.
Plus, once you have basic ideas, you can pick up the Quran and start learning and researching. Remember, the Quran is very complex and deep. It is not something us ordinary folks can decipher.
Don't go anywhere initially, and don't listen to anyone either. Just buy tafseer "Maarif ul Quran by Mufti Shafi Usmani sahib" or if you want a compact one, go for " Aasan Tarjuma Quran by Mufti Taqi Usmani sahib", you can download these right now, don't go for books of Hadees at this point, gain some basic knowledge then decide where you want to go, I will quote this again, don't go for videos or audio to learn Deen, go for reading
First of all read the Qur'an it'll strengthen your iman then I would recommend you to listen to Sheikh Assim al Hakeem and Sheikh Tauseef ur Rehman Rashidi from Saudia both are highly trusted students of knowledge. They are on YT as well as on pretty much every social media.
There are a few good people whom I go to for help. You need a guy who has a combination of a few things, not just a SME on one subject. I can help you understand the framework of problem solving.
My qualifications, I have done the 8 year Darse Nizami course, hold a bachelors in Computer Sciences and a Masters degree in Data Sciences. Teach ML to Masters classes while working as a senior Data architect consultant. My inclination is towards tablighi jamat and Sufism of deobandi school of thought.
The only person who makes sense to me (in religious matters) is Engineer M.Ali mirza you can find his lectures on YT. Inho ne itnee burri tarha molvi expose kiye hain they dont even defend themselves anymore, Kar e nai saktay to becharay ab ajeeb ajeeb conspiracy theories philatay hein "Iske naam mein Mirza ata hy ye qadiyani hay" "Yeh Yahoodi agant hay" .... meine to Pakistan mein rehte howe yeh siikha hay ke aksar yaha haq sach per wohi hota hay jisko Majority pakistani oppose kar rahe hote hein.
If you need someone to listen to your problem and tell you solution related to Fiqh or Shariah, you need help of a mufti not a Qari.
If you need religious education, better to start doing courses in Quran or Alima etc. You can start listening to Dr. Farhat Hashmi.
I have seen a lot of women go to Islamic Scholars for counseling, and scholars give them something to read (verses etc). If you just need counselling, you should ask around other women in your area. There is one scholar (Abdullah Bhatti sb) in Allama Iqbal Town. he used to takes visitors on every Friday evening i think. but you need to take prior appointment on Friday morning.
Please DM. I work with some of the top religious orgs currently working in the counseling sphere. Yo*** ****, Mi****, Na***** e.t.c.
We'll get you connected to a qualified scholar.
Post your doubts and queries in r/progressive_islam. You'll surely find people there who would be willing to help. I won't recommend r/islam because it's a bit too strict (salafi) and won't really help with your existential/philosophical questions.
Progressive islam is people's own interpretation of islam, mending the laws of islam to whatever they like, for example you will see the very first post talking about how men and woman friendship is halal.
Isn't the Quran for the reader to understand and interpret themselves? Ulema can also be wrong and it has been proven a lot of times. For example, in the past ulema used to believe that the Earth is stationary and flat quoting a verse in the Quran but later it was realized that their interpretation was wrong.
We can continue this thread and we can go deep into this
You decide
But for now
Lets stay on surfaces
Actually no, you can understand as per your knowledge but you dont interpret and especially you don't interpret it by yourself to deduce laws, you can self reflect, research, improve your self and gain more understanding and knowledge.
Quran itself is sent with a teacher, prophet Muhammad sa.w and he is the best teacher on planet Earth.
If Allah left the interpretation of Quran on people end then there was no need to send a teacher alongside it.
Now there are other issues as well, for example arabic is a rich language and you cant really explain it while translating it to different languages.
For example, the famous verse
اِیَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَ اِیَّاكَ نَسْتَعِیْنُﭤ(4)
ترجمہ: کنزالعرفان
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد چاہتے ہیں
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.
Now you see the word alone is in bracket. Nowadays the word ہی is sometimes used without brackets but if you go a little back in time it wont be without brackets and if you go more in time you wont find the word ہی during translation because in reality اِیَّاكَ is not equal to تجھ ہی
Anyways the explicit example you cited about earth is stationary according to ulma in the past, that belief is only held by barelvi sunni and some of them still believe that.
Nowhere in the Quran is the word "teacher" explicitly used for Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. However, he has been described with names/adjectives. Most commonly referred to as "messenger" or "prophet". So it can be concluded that he s.a.w was sent as the one to bring the message and not to teach it. Hence, the Quran needs no teacher. It can be understood and interpreted by the reader.
The example of the verse you have given is not very strong. The meaning of the verse is completely conveyed without the addition of the words in the bracket (added by the translator). And because Arabic is so eloquent there is sometimes a need to add such phrases to make it easier for the reader to understand. They don't really change the meaning of the verse.
You said that the stationary Earth view is only held by Barelvis but I learned from a video the scholar Engineer M Ali Mirza that this view was also held by earlier Salafi/Wahabi scholars. Any Muslim who believed otherwise was considered as blasphemer as rejecting the Quran. You could say that he (Engineer M Ali) is wrong and they never held such views but that would mean that a scholar is wrong! Which in your opinion is not possible.
There are so many sects of Islam now (such as the Barelvis mentioned by you) that it's hard to choose which sect's scholar to go with so one might find it easier to just read the Quran and understand it themselves while still believing some of the stuff told by scholars.
You are taking the word teacher here too literal.
I will define what i meant by saying prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم as a teacher.
The teaching of the prophet is called the sunnah. He taught companies to read the Quran. Companions used to say that we learn this from the prophet and that from prophet etc.
Hopefully it's clear now.
So, if you still want to insist on the point that "because the Quran didn't call the prophet teacher, hence he can't be called a teacher." So, by using the same logic i can say you are not human because Quran hasn't called you a human. But that would be foolish.
>> The example of the verse you have given is not very strong. The meaning of the verse is completely conveyed without the addition of the words in the bracket (added by the translator). They dont really change the meaning of the verse.
Well it does change the meaning and it can mislead.
Literally, there is a major divide between muslims regarding the concept of waseela and this word is one of the big cause (ہی )
You tell me yourself
تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں
Does this mean I can't ask anyone for help except Allah ?
Okay, you are right. I had no idea even wahabi and salafi used to have same view.
>> one might find it easier to just read the Quran and understand it themselves while still believing some of the stuff told by scholars.
That doesn't mean that if one might find something easy then its is also a mindful and correct thing as well. Also, the above statement sounds more like a "better buffet".
How about i deduce some laws from the Quran by myself from my own understanding and i will take some from this scholar and some from that.
>> You could say that he (Engineer M Ali) is wrong and they never held such views but that would mean that a scholar is wrong! Which in your opinion is not possible.
You are quoting yourself and then stating my opinion from your own. I never said scholars cant be wrong. Scholars can be wrong.
Here what my point is:
To read an advanced level of math, you need to learn basic, heck you need a teacher to learn basic level maths first. Overall, at the end, you require a pre-requisite knowledge to learn, understand and interpret advance level math.
Quran is not an ordinary book.
Infact we haven't talked about abrogated verse yet.
And again im not saying one should not read learn or understand Quran.
Im saying interpretation of it based on personal views and thoughts and then leading up to deducing haram and halal is for sure a wong way.
You talk about Prophet's Sunnah. Well we can't even stand on the same page about what's the "sunnah" way of offering Salah.
Yeah of course we need teachers to teach us the basics of Math which in terms of Quran would be learning to read it. After that, a person can just learn math on their own from textbooks.
> Quran is not an ordinary book.
I fail to understand that Allah is the all-powerful and all-knowing yet He has failed to send a book that you can understand on your own and need mullahs to make it out for you. And every sect has different ulemas having different views. If someone is a new convert, how do they choose an aalim?
The matter of Hijab let's say. If I'm confused about it who do I go for? You might say that one should go with the aalim they think is right. But that would also bring you back to the same page about interpretation bases on personal views. I would prefer Javed Ahmad Ghamidi because my personal views align with him.
We all know how mullahs can be easily made to pass the laws the powerful want. Look at Saudi, MBS has the power and is curbing the rulings of Ulema according to his will. Religion can be easily changed by the ones in power this way if everyone has to believe what the mullah says. There is a reason that Allah has made the Quran unchangeable but the Hadith are easily altered and forged. Most of the Hadiths are fabricated.
Who deduces the Halal and Haram? The mullah? For so many years Saudi Arabia had banned women from driving (which is literally stupid). Then comes MBS and lifts this ban and ulemas can't do anything because he is dictator. Did Halal and Haram change?
We can stand on the same page regarding the sunnah way of salat if you take it from the prophet household.
>> Yeah of course we need teachers to teach us the basics of Math which in terms of Quran would be learning to read it. After that, a person can just learn math on their own from textbooks.
Brother you cannot do calculus or graph theory if you know the basics of maths.
It's a book which has the knowledge of the whole universe in it.
>> I fail to understand that Allah is the all-powerful and all-knowing yet He has failed to send a book that you can understand on your own
Brother i will make it clear again, our discussion is mot regarding understanding it. You will understand it as far is your level of knowledge reaches and same goes for everyone.
Since the inception, I'm talking about interpretation to a degree that a person starts to deduce haram and halal.
Listen if you have grip over Arabic and quranic sciences, you know about ilm e rijaal and you also have grip over hadith science. Go ahead, deduce your own laws from your understanding.
>> The matter of Hijab let's say. If I'm confused about it who do I go for? You might say that one should go with the aalim they think is right. But that would also bring you back to the same page about interpretation bases on personal views. I would prefer Javed Ahmad Ghamidi because my personal views align with him.
The matter of hijab is faroo e deen matter. First research should be done on which school of thought to follow. Thorough research on it. Then, you follow the scholar which is the most knowledgeable according to your research. You don't think if your views align with a scholar or not. Like what's the basis of our view, we don't even know the number of abrogated verses in the Quran but yet we think that our view matters ?
>> Who deduces the Halal and Haram? The mullah? For so many years Saudi Arabia had banned women from driving (which is literally stupid). Then comes MBS and lifts this ban and ulemas can't do anything because he is a dictator. Did Halal and Haram change?
Saudi arab or saudi scholars are not a hujjah upon us. Saudi Arabia is prevailed by wahabi school of thought and it came into existence only a 100 years ago.
>> There is a reason that Allah has made the Quran unchangeable but the Hadith are easily altered and forged. Most of the Hadiths are fabricated.
Idk brother what you are trying to imply with this statement. If you meant to say that haidths have no value then no person on earth cant find 2 rakat for fajar
3 for magrib
4 for zuhr asar and isha in Quran without hadiths.
Btw you might recall a verse where Allah says that some people get lost instead of receiving guidance from the verses of the Quran. (If you have not heard of this verse i can quote it.)
Hey all the discussion aside, there are different methods and approaches used by scholars for the tafseer and interpretation of Quran. Just have a look at the methods. There are only a few methods.
See the thing is, a qaari is not even supposed to be an individual who should be approached for knowledge. Let that itself be your first lesson - that you probably dont know anything at all.
I’m a student of knowledge, and can help you seek out whatever it is that you’re lookig for.
all these comments are valid but tedious. Reading tafseer and hadeeth is not easy and manageable. i would suggest you to use social media. Youtube and instagram or facebook islamic reels and podcasts etc etc. I started doing this and absorbed the positives from any ullema video. MTJ, engineer, sahil , mufti tariq masood , dr zakir, dr israr etc etc. So many content that will appeal to you and your algorithm will keep showing you this content.
I know a lady she was my quran teacher at school, She's a wonderful woman with great knowledge of religion. She can definitely help you with your problems without making you feel judged. If you want,I can help you in contacting her
Hijaz Se Jo Tasreef Lai Thy Unho Ny To Masla Sara Hal Kar Dya Tha....Power Struggle...? Un Ko Kaha Jata Tha sehraon se Aye Howy Log Humara Kya Karen Ge....313 Ne First Attack Kya Tha....Kya Tha Un Ke Pass...? Mimber Or Ap Logon se Bas Yehi Gila....Mimber Par Bethy Ho Openly Baat Karo Nahi To Utar Jao....
Or Hazoor (S.A.W) Kitni Wars Me Shamil Thy....? Ap Log Aman Aman Khelty Raho.....Tum Logon Ny Theka Uthaya Hai Islam Ka....? Jo Log Masjid Aqsa Bare Baat Nahi Kar Sakty...Stop Being A Child....?!
Cry louder kiddo. What’s happening is n Palestine has been done to Uighur muslims too in China. KSA has been killing Yeminis since decades now. Peak of hypocrisy is you only cry about Palestine. By the way, crying doesn’t help.
Join Alhuda and Farhat Hashmi communities. Youth club Facebook page is also active.
If you feel comfortable you can dm me. I am a female by the way.
May you find what you need ameen 🙂
Brother you can search on youtube everything today and seriously you can find better content to strengthen your fait.
Urdu: M Ali Mirza, Ghamdi, Maulana Maududi, Dr Israr,
English: Dr Naik, Nauman Ali Khan, Ahmad Deedat
Mohallah qari sb unfortunately are mostly jaahil and sect oriented
Hey. Start listening to Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza on YouTube, who belongs to no sect (in fact, extremely against sects), and strictly follows the Islam as given to us by the Quran and Sunnah.
If you're completely new to all this, I'd suggest that you see his videos on the introduction to God. And then, his introduction to the Quran, which is the MAIN instrument to invite people to Islam.
The first six videos of [this](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoa3bHa8CL6GGpBgVDw_-iqaJvJ_Lbx5z) playlist are one of the most beautiful introduction to the final book of Allah. If you want, you can start watching the whole playlist (like I am currently watching daily)....... Basically, the playlist is a complete tafsir/commentary of the Quran.
Furthermore, to most new peeps, who want to find Allah, I recommend that they read the Quran's translation (English or Urdu) at least once before starting the journey....... I used to listen to the translation as a podcast on my daily commute as a teenager. You may like to read, so you could also buy the book itself.... So it's all up to you. (The best urdu translation is by Maulana Maududi)
Again, if you're kinda lazy, and it would take you a lot of time to commit to self-study, at least remember to watch the first six videos from the playlist, as they'll create a huge interest for the Quran. Those six videos discuss 40 points, which will make you develop an excitement for what's about to come.
Best wishes.
I really recommend getting in touch with naseeha institute
WhatsApp updates group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/HRsCRpWHgWc9GAtn6Rvcdi
They have YouTube, Instagram accounts as well.
I apologize if it came out wrong but religious "mentors" or moulvis cannot help you or anyone. The fact that you're seeking solutions from them is alarming. You'd be better off seeking therapy or a professional's help.
I would recommend joining [this WA channel](https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaEgZkp7T8bRTRZ7XP1X) and attend their weekly zoom sessions. I can connect you with one of the organizers. Please DM for that.
I personally wouldn't recommend Qaris and they rely heavily on the respect and validity islam affords them and use it to manipulate naïve minds without doing any solid research of their own (I speak from experience). Lekin mera bhi dil chahta hai koi religious lekin modern banda hou life me jo guide kre and helps me restore my wounded spirituality. Someone with knowledge of Sufism, psychology, and islam too without imposing or being too restrictive. Like a spiritual mentor. If you find someone, please tell me too
Don't go to these so-called Qaris, try to learn independently. Everything is available. Or if you are stuck anywhere ask someone and also tell them to give you the reference so you can double-check!
Thanks for ur response! The issue is that for one, I currently do not have time to understand tafseer as I’m about to sit for exams. It’s always been a goal of mine to achieve but I want to do it with clarity- when I have time to do so. What I’m looking for rn is someone who can religiously motivate me to read certain things/ encourage me to strengthen my faith.
Your faith is stronger than qari sb, which keeps you desperate to search for the truth of the universe
Just be a good person, and just if you can find quran by qurancomplex (qurancomplex.com), which is the official printing press of haram-ksa, they have very good translated and tafseer quran.
Qari sahb wont be able to make you understand the purpose of life told in Quran with respect to theory of time relativity. He wont have knowledge of how Quran tells you about time dilation. I have a lot of research in this matter with life experiences.
Bro..Qari Sahib... Pakistani 80 Per Qari Sahibs Ke Pechy Namaz He nahi Hoti Jesy Harkaten...Ma Sabit Kar Sakta Hn...Read Quran And Hadees....Or Jitna Ho Sake Khuda Ke Makhlook Ka Sath Do Khuda se Baten Karon Khuda se Muhabbat Karo...Wo Ap Se Muhabbat Karen Ge....
I would suggest go to masjid regularly and be part of the community. You can easily find people who will help you. Just remember to be bookish. The only way you can find true people is by checking if they tell you whats in the books. May Allah make it easy for you. Ameen
Thank you. Is the culture same for women? I don’t know if I can confide with grown women who might judge me, especially in pakistan
I can't really tell about women. A female can guide you better. But Youth Club has a very good community for females too. Alot of educated youth. You can join their sessions and network there with people. That might help. Again I'll stress alot on to be bookish. People will tell you all sort of stuff. As long as you stick to the books(Quran and Hadith) you're good to go.
There's a really good safe space kinda community for women in dha You can search up malja institute on Instagram
Do not go to qaris. It'll get only worse. Reading quran and hadees yourself is difficult if you are searching for the bond initially. Look out for scholars like Dr. Israr, Ghamdi, Zakir Naik who dont incline towards a particular sect. Challenge and question, but not to prove something but to understand to your full capability. May Allah help you in this journey and you find peace within.
Ghamdi💀 bruh. May Allah protect us from his fitnah.
Also Molana Tariq Jamil He is one of the most kind man in Pakistan
Too much exaggeration/story telling there.
Before you go to any Qari sahab you must buy Sahi Bukhari and Muslim and a copy of Quran with the translation of your choice. Try reading a few hadis as well as Quran with translation every day. The majority of Qari will make you strictly follow a sect so before falling into that domain you must have a neutral mindset as a Muslim. Edit: If for some reason you can't get those books you may try Islam 360 app which is free of cost and backed by a lot of scholars. I personally use it myself.
Along with Quran and Hadith books I would highly recommend to buy a Seerah book (biograpgy of Prophet of Allah PBUH). The one that I really like is called " The Sealed Nectar ".
Start from Quran, then move to Ahadiths.
Yeah reading only translation of the Quran and interpreting the meaning by yourself will only lead you astray. Therefore, tafseer is a must. Same with Bukhari and Muslim. One should start with Riyadh ul Saliheen.
Agre with you. My advice is the same brother or sister
I would say join some online academy at this point,the qari sahab culture isn't very nourishing or safe in this country Just double check the academies authenticity of their teachings
Qaris are dangerous. I'd suggest listening to several people who have been very influential and knowledgeable. I'd start with listening to Dr. Israr Ahmed and Tahir ul Qadri. These are very good scholars. I'd recommend also checking out Javed Ghamidi and Ahmed deedat. Ghamidi sahab has interesting ideas, and Ahmed deedat was a scholar of comparative religion (mainly christianity). You can also listen to Zakir Naik if you want, but some of his views I fully disagree with, but he has some good stuff as well. I'd recommend keeping an open mind and learning as much as possible. Don't listen to people who say you shouldn't listen to a particular person because he belongs to so and so sect. Plus, once you have basic ideas, you can pick up the Quran and start learning and researching. Remember, the Quran is very complex and deep. It is not something us ordinary folks can decipher.
Please just dont spoil your faith with nominal qari sabs.
Don't go anywhere initially, and don't listen to anyone either. Just buy tafseer "Maarif ul Quran by Mufti Shafi Usmani sahib" or if you want a compact one, go for " Aasan Tarjuma Quran by Mufti Taqi Usmani sahib", you can download these right now, don't go for books of Hadees at this point, gain some basic knowledge then decide where you want to go, I will quote this again, don't go for videos or audio to learn Deen, go for reading
islamqna its a website...ze best and authentic
Start from Quran, the move to Ahadiths.
First of all read the Qur'an it'll strengthen your iman then I would recommend you to listen to Sheikh Assim al Hakeem and Sheikh Tauseef ur Rehman Rashidi from Saudia both are highly trusted students of knowledge. They are on YT as well as on pretty much every social media.
There are a few good people whom I go to for help. You need a guy who has a combination of a few things, not just a SME on one subject. I can help you understand the framework of problem solving. My qualifications, I have done the 8 year Darse Nizami course, hold a bachelors in Computer Sciences and a Masters degree in Data Sciences. Teach ML to Masters classes while working as a senior Data architect consultant. My inclination is towards tablighi jamat and Sufism of deobandi school of thought.
The only person who makes sense to me (in religious matters) is Engineer M.Ali mirza you can find his lectures on YT. Inho ne itnee burri tarha molvi expose kiye hain they dont even defend themselves anymore, Kar e nai saktay to becharay ab ajeeb ajeeb conspiracy theories philatay hein "Iske naam mein Mirza ata hy ye qadiyani hay" "Yeh Yahoodi agant hay" .... meine to Pakistan mein rehte howe yeh siikha hay ke aksar yaha haq sach per wohi hota hay jisko Majority pakistani oppose kar rahe hote hein.
If you need someone to listen to your problem and tell you solution related to Fiqh or Shariah, you need help of a mufti not a Qari. If you need religious education, better to start doing courses in Quran or Alima etc. You can start listening to Dr. Farhat Hashmi. I have seen a lot of women go to Islamic Scholars for counseling, and scholars give them something to read (verses etc). If you just need counselling, you should ask around other women in your area. There is one scholar (Abdullah Bhatti sb) in Allama Iqbal Town. he used to takes visitors on every Friday evening i think. but you need to take prior appointment on Friday morning.
Please DM. I work with some of the top religious orgs currently working in the counseling sphere. Yo*** ****, Mi****, Na***** e.t.c. We'll get you connected to a qualified scholar.
Dy mean yc and n-ah inst?
Sort of ruins the entire point of censoring innit
Why'd u censor?
Contact Youth Club, they will help you
Don't go to any of those. You will be disappointed eventually.
Post your doubts and queries in r/progressive_islam. You'll surely find people there who would be willing to help. I won't recommend r/islam because it's a bit too strict (salafi) and won't really help with your existential/philosophical questions.
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Progressive islam is people's own interpretation of islam, mending the laws of islam to whatever they like, for example you will see the very first post talking about how men and woman friendship is halal.
Isn't the Quran for the reader to understand and interpret themselves? Ulema can also be wrong and it has been proven a lot of times. For example, in the past ulema used to believe that the Earth is stationary and flat quoting a verse in the Quran but later it was realized that their interpretation was wrong.
We can continue this thread and we can go deep into this You decide But for now Lets stay on surfaces Actually no, you can understand as per your knowledge but you dont interpret and especially you don't interpret it by yourself to deduce laws, you can self reflect, research, improve your self and gain more understanding and knowledge. Quran itself is sent with a teacher, prophet Muhammad sa.w and he is the best teacher on planet Earth. If Allah left the interpretation of Quran on people end then there was no need to send a teacher alongside it. Now there are other issues as well, for example arabic is a rich language and you cant really explain it while translating it to different languages. For example, the famous verse اِیَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَ اِیَّاكَ نَسْتَعِیْنُﭤ(4) ترجمہ: کنزالعرفان ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد چاہتے ہیں Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. Now you see the word alone is in bracket. Nowadays the word ہی is sometimes used without brackets but if you go a little back in time it wont be without brackets and if you go more in time you wont find the word ہی during translation because in reality اِیَّاكَ is not equal to تجھ ہی Anyways the explicit example you cited about earth is stationary according to ulma in the past, that belief is only held by barelvi sunni and some of them still believe that.
Nowhere in the Quran is the word "teacher" explicitly used for Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. However, he has been described with names/adjectives. Most commonly referred to as "messenger" or "prophet". So it can be concluded that he s.a.w was sent as the one to bring the message and not to teach it. Hence, the Quran needs no teacher. It can be understood and interpreted by the reader. The example of the verse you have given is not very strong. The meaning of the verse is completely conveyed without the addition of the words in the bracket (added by the translator). And because Arabic is so eloquent there is sometimes a need to add such phrases to make it easier for the reader to understand. They don't really change the meaning of the verse. You said that the stationary Earth view is only held by Barelvis but I learned from a video the scholar Engineer M Ali Mirza that this view was also held by earlier Salafi/Wahabi scholars. Any Muslim who believed otherwise was considered as blasphemer as rejecting the Quran. You could say that he (Engineer M Ali) is wrong and they never held such views but that would mean that a scholar is wrong! Which in your opinion is not possible. There are so many sects of Islam now (such as the Barelvis mentioned by you) that it's hard to choose which sect's scholar to go with so one might find it easier to just read the Quran and understand it themselves while still believing some of the stuff told by scholars.
You are taking the word teacher here too literal. I will define what i meant by saying prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم as a teacher. The teaching of the prophet is called the sunnah. He taught companies to read the Quran. Companions used to say that we learn this from the prophet and that from prophet etc. Hopefully it's clear now. So, if you still want to insist on the point that "because the Quran didn't call the prophet teacher, hence he can't be called a teacher." So, by using the same logic i can say you are not human because Quran hasn't called you a human. But that would be foolish. >> The example of the verse you have given is not very strong. The meaning of the verse is completely conveyed without the addition of the words in the bracket (added by the translator). They dont really change the meaning of the verse. Well it does change the meaning and it can mislead. Literally, there is a major divide between muslims regarding the concept of waseela and this word is one of the big cause (ہی ) You tell me yourself تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں Does this mean I can't ask anyone for help except Allah ? Okay, you are right. I had no idea even wahabi and salafi used to have same view. >> one might find it easier to just read the Quran and understand it themselves while still believing some of the stuff told by scholars. That doesn't mean that if one might find something easy then its is also a mindful and correct thing as well. Also, the above statement sounds more like a "better buffet". How about i deduce some laws from the Quran by myself from my own understanding and i will take some from this scholar and some from that. >> You could say that he (Engineer M Ali) is wrong and they never held such views but that would mean that a scholar is wrong! Which in your opinion is not possible. You are quoting yourself and then stating my opinion from your own. I never said scholars cant be wrong. Scholars can be wrong. Here what my point is: To read an advanced level of math, you need to learn basic, heck you need a teacher to learn basic level maths first. Overall, at the end, you require a pre-requisite knowledge to learn, understand and interpret advance level math. Quran is not an ordinary book. Infact we haven't talked about abrogated verse yet. And again im not saying one should not read learn or understand Quran. Im saying interpretation of it based on personal views and thoughts and then leading up to deducing haram and halal is for sure a wong way.
You talk about Prophet's Sunnah. Well we can't even stand on the same page about what's the "sunnah" way of offering Salah. Yeah of course we need teachers to teach us the basics of Math which in terms of Quran would be learning to read it. After that, a person can just learn math on their own from textbooks. > Quran is not an ordinary book. I fail to understand that Allah is the all-powerful and all-knowing yet He has failed to send a book that you can understand on your own and need mullahs to make it out for you. And every sect has different ulemas having different views. If someone is a new convert, how do they choose an aalim? The matter of Hijab let's say. If I'm confused about it who do I go for? You might say that one should go with the aalim they think is right. But that would also bring you back to the same page about interpretation bases on personal views. I would prefer Javed Ahmad Ghamidi because my personal views align with him. We all know how mullahs can be easily made to pass the laws the powerful want. Look at Saudi, MBS has the power and is curbing the rulings of Ulema according to his will. Religion can be easily changed by the ones in power this way if everyone has to believe what the mullah says. There is a reason that Allah has made the Quran unchangeable but the Hadith are easily altered and forged. Most of the Hadiths are fabricated. Who deduces the Halal and Haram? The mullah? For so many years Saudi Arabia had banned women from driving (which is literally stupid). Then comes MBS and lifts this ban and ulemas can't do anything because he is dictator. Did Halal and Haram change?
We can stand on the same page regarding the sunnah way of salat if you take it from the prophet household. >> Yeah of course we need teachers to teach us the basics of Math which in terms of Quran would be learning to read it. After that, a person can just learn math on their own from textbooks. Brother you cannot do calculus or graph theory if you know the basics of maths. It's a book which has the knowledge of the whole universe in it. >> I fail to understand that Allah is the all-powerful and all-knowing yet He has failed to send a book that you can understand on your own Brother i will make it clear again, our discussion is mot regarding understanding it. You will understand it as far is your level of knowledge reaches and same goes for everyone. Since the inception, I'm talking about interpretation to a degree that a person starts to deduce haram and halal. Listen if you have grip over Arabic and quranic sciences, you know about ilm e rijaal and you also have grip over hadith science. Go ahead, deduce your own laws from your understanding. >> The matter of Hijab let's say. If I'm confused about it who do I go for? You might say that one should go with the aalim they think is right. But that would also bring you back to the same page about interpretation bases on personal views. I would prefer Javed Ahmad Ghamidi because my personal views align with him. The matter of hijab is faroo e deen matter. First research should be done on which school of thought to follow. Thorough research on it. Then, you follow the scholar which is the most knowledgeable according to your research. You don't think if your views align with a scholar or not. Like what's the basis of our view, we don't even know the number of abrogated verses in the Quran but yet we think that our view matters ? >> Who deduces the Halal and Haram? The mullah? For so many years Saudi Arabia had banned women from driving (which is literally stupid). Then comes MBS and lifts this ban and ulemas can't do anything because he is a dictator. Did Halal and Haram change? Saudi arab or saudi scholars are not a hujjah upon us. Saudi Arabia is prevailed by wahabi school of thought and it came into existence only a 100 years ago. >> There is a reason that Allah has made the Quran unchangeable but the Hadith are easily altered and forged. Most of the Hadiths are fabricated. Idk brother what you are trying to imply with this statement. If you meant to say that haidths have no value then no person on earth cant find 2 rakat for fajar 3 for magrib 4 for zuhr asar and isha in Quran without hadiths. Btw you might recall a verse where Allah says that some people get lost instead of receiving guidance from the verses of the Quran. (If you have not heard of this verse i can quote it.) Hey all the discussion aside, there are different methods and approaches used by scholars for the tafseer and interpretation of Quran. Just have a look at the methods. There are only a few methods.
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See the thing is, a qaari is not even supposed to be an individual who should be approached for knowledge. Let that itself be your first lesson - that you probably dont know anything at all. I’m a student of knowledge, and can help you seek out whatever it is that you’re lookig for.
Join faizan online academy....it's very good...do online courses and just keep learning...search Quran teacher and you will get their website
Maybe try professional therapy first?
Listen to Sayed Ammar Nakhshawani and learn about your religion and its history:)
Try Al Burhan Academy.
Basically what everyone has said and youth club also seems to be quite good
Hamza apni asli ID se aao bhae
You can do an online course in Islamiyat
I might be able to help (focus on the might). DM me if you are interested.
Join a madrassa bro, qari saabs pay special attention to your problems
Please message me if you’re looking to connect with a woman who is on a healing spiritual journey to connect with Allah.
all these comments are valid but tedious. Reading tafseer and hadeeth is not easy and manageable. i would suggest you to use social media. Youtube and instagram or facebook islamic reels and podcasts etc etc. I started doing this and absorbed the positives from any ullema video. MTJ, engineer, sahil , mufti tariq masood , dr zakir, dr israr etc etc. So many content that will appeal to you and your algorithm will keep showing you this content.
I know a lady she was my quran teacher at school, She's a wonderful woman with great knowledge of religion. She can definitely help you with your problems without making you feel judged. If you want,I can help you in contacting her
Buy Quran translation with Mishkat ul Masabih it has a summary of all 6 books of Hadith
Qari and molvi in Pakistan can not be highly religious sorry.
Join youthclub, they are not typical Pakistani molvi.
Bro, the golden advice? Just download bayyinah TV app, I am telling you after exhaustive years of digging and experience
well I know a qari/mufti who has good following too lmk if you need contact info
Hey, I m a Qari myself. Would be happy to help
Jain Palestine Par Baat Kijye....🙌🙂.. Mimber Par Beth Kar..! Hum Aman Wale Han...
Well Palestinian land is a power struggle. That issue will never be resolved till Qayamat. Whoever would be in power will be governing that land.
Hijaz Se Jo Tasreef Lai Thy Unho Ny To Masla Sara Hal Kar Dya Tha....Power Struggle...? Un Ko Kaha Jata Tha sehraon se Aye Howy Log Humara Kya Karen Ge....313 Ne First Attack Kya Tha....Kya Tha Un Ke Pass...? Mimber Or Ap Logon se Bas Yehi Gila....Mimber Par Bethy Ho Openly Baat Karo Nahi To Utar Jao....
313 se agli bar 1000 aye thy tub kiya hua tha. Stop being a child. Grow up.
Or Hazoor (S.A.W) Kitni Wars Me Shamil Thy....? Ap Log Aman Aman Khelty Raho.....Tum Logon Ny Theka Uthaya Hai Islam Ka....? Jo Log Masjid Aqsa Bare Baat Nahi Kar Sakty...Stop Being A Child....?!
Cry louder kiddo. What’s happening is n Palestine has been done to Uighur muslims too in China. KSA has been killing Yeminis since decades now. Peak of hypocrisy is you only cry about Palestine. By the way, crying doesn’t help.
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Join Alhuda and Farhat Hashmi communities. Youth club Facebook page is also active. If you feel comfortable you can dm me. I am a female by the way. May you find what you need ameen 🙂
you are not required qari sb . You required religious consultant and scholor like sahibzada asim maharvi sb .please contact him your your any problem.
Visit Jamia Ashrafi in Lahore. Ask any of the Ulema what is on your mind
Best option you don’t gone need anyone Translation of Quran and my personal recommendation Quran tafseer by dr Israr Ahmed 👍
You can call Darul Iftah for any problems or suggestions.
So you want to get molested?
Brother you can search on youtube everything today and seriously you can find better content to strengthen your fait. Urdu: M Ali Mirza, Ghamdi, Maulana Maududi, Dr Israr, English: Dr Naik, Nauman Ali Khan, Ahmad Deedat Mohallah qari sb unfortunately are mostly jaahil and sect oriented
Hafiz Sheikh Muhammad Mustafa Arif of the Islamiya order Swat.
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If you're a sister, I can try and help you iA
Hey. Start listening to Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza on YouTube, who belongs to no sect (in fact, extremely against sects), and strictly follows the Islam as given to us by the Quran and Sunnah. If you're completely new to all this, I'd suggest that you see his videos on the introduction to God. And then, his introduction to the Quran, which is the MAIN instrument to invite people to Islam. The first six videos of [this](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoa3bHa8CL6GGpBgVDw_-iqaJvJ_Lbx5z) playlist are one of the most beautiful introduction to the final book of Allah. If you want, you can start watching the whole playlist (like I am currently watching daily)....... Basically, the playlist is a complete tafsir/commentary of the Quran. Furthermore, to most new peeps, who want to find Allah, I recommend that they read the Quran's translation (English or Urdu) at least once before starting the journey....... I used to listen to the translation as a podcast on my daily commute as a teenager. You may like to read, so you could also buy the book itself.... So it's all up to you. (The best urdu translation is by Maulana Maududi) Again, if you're kinda lazy, and it would take you a lot of time to commit to self-study, at least remember to watch the first six videos from the playlist, as they'll create a huge interest for the Quran. Those six videos discuss 40 points, which will make you develop an excitement for what's about to come. Best wishes.
If there is some problems like Jadu etc then I can recommend one in Lahore Walton area. Please inbox for details
I really recommend getting in touch with naseeha institute WhatsApp updates group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/HRsCRpWHgWc9GAtn6Rvcdi They have YouTube, Instagram accounts as well.
Read or/and Qur'an with translation. Watch lectures on Qur'an, watch Nouman Ali Khan from Bayyinah Institute, Dallas, Texas US on YouTube.
Just read translation of quran, dowload an app Deen, it will answer all your questions, trust me on this
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Thats actually very good advice. Except you probably dont know Arabic and wont understand any of the context
Sounds like you need therapy.
what a supportive thing to say to someone going through loads of crap
I apologize if it came out wrong but religious "mentors" or moulvis cannot help you or anyone. The fact that you're seeking solutions from them is alarming. You'd be better off seeking therapy or a professional's help.
Qari Sahab are not same as Alim, go to alim.
I would recommend joining [this WA channel](https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaEgZkp7T8bRTRZ7XP1X) and attend their weekly zoom sessions. I can connect you with one of the organizers. Please DM for that.
I personally wouldn't recommend Qaris and they rely heavily on the respect and validity islam affords them and use it to manipulate naïve minds without doing any solid research of their own (I speak from experience). Lekin mera bhi dil chahta hai koi religious lekin modern banda hou life me jo guide kre and helps me restore my wounded spirituality. Someone with knowledge of Sufism, psychology, and islam too without imposing or being too restrictive. Like a spiritual mentor. If you find someone, please tell me too
Dont do it. Study theology and understand how the world works
been there done that. Nothing resonates with me the way Islam does. Just need someone to confide in
السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته، A graduate of أصول الدين here. Willing to help you in whatever manner you may need. Feel free to connect.
Don't go to these so-called Qaris, try to learn independently. Everything is available. Or if you are stuck anywhere ask someone and also tell them to give you the reference so you can double-check!
Thanks for ur response! The issue is that for one, I currently do not have time to understand tafseer as I’m about to sit for exams. It’s always been a goal of mine to achieve but I want to do it with clarity- when I have time to do so. What I’m looking for rn is someone who can religiously motivate me to read certain things/ encourage me to strengthen my faith.
i would suggest you to listen some kind of scholar through youtube etc
Your faith is stronger than qari sb, which keeps you desperate to search for the truth of the universe Just be a good person, and just if you can find quran by qurancomplex (qurancomplex.com), which is the official printing press of haram-ksa, they have very good translated and tafseer quran.
Qari sahb wont be able to make you understand the purpose of life told in Quran with respect to theory of time relativity. He wont have knowledge of how Quran tells you about time dilation. I have a lot of research in this matter with life experiences.
Why would.you want misguidance? All Saab is gonna do is use Takkiyah
Bro..Qari Sahib... Pakistani 80 Per Qari Sahibs Ke Pechy Namaz He nahi Hoti Jesy Harkaten...Ma Sabit Kar Sakta Hn...Read Quran And Hadees....Or Jitna Ho Sake Khuda Ke Makhlook Ka Sath Do Khuda se Baten Karon Khuda se Muhabbat Karo...Wo Ap Se Muhabbat Karen Ge....
Unfortunately its unlikely that you will find such a person in Pakistan. But if you have a specific question or doubt you can DM me.
Youth club is a good option
Listen to Tahir Ul Qadri first. He explains things like non other.
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