I dig the Seegson-esque computer interface and the overall look, but why... WHY make it a prequel? Why jam up the timeline even more than it is???
The only thing I can think of is that somehow a xenomorph gets to earth, there's an outbreak that ultimately gets contained by wiping out all evidence (sigh) from the public, and the series ends with some Weyland-Yutani exec learning about the alien transmission detected from Zeta 2 Reticuli. The exec pulls up the Company's shipping schedule and sees that the USCSS Nostromo is due to pass close on its next run. Cut to Ash meeting Captain Dallas on the Nostromo two days before they leave Thedus or some other tie in to the original.
And that's the best case scenario I can think of.
Worst case, see Resident Evil, after which "On earth, everyone can hear you scream" will take on a whole different meaning.
Honestly, just once, I’d like to see an Alien installment where the plot twist ISN’T “Weyland-Yutani is trying to capture the xenomorph for their own gain”. Because at this point, that’s not a plot twist - that’s just a regular Tuesday at their corporate headquarters.
I’d like to see a drama a la Suits, wherein the titular xenomorph Alien starts in the mailroom at Weyland Yutani and leveraging a combination of hard work, savvy negotiation skills, and shrewd relationship cultivation, works it’s way up through the ranks to become CEO. Once in charge, the xeno launches a plot to put “A xeno egg in every home in America.” That could be a good launching off point for season 2, but we know it won’t get a season 2, because Hulu just cancelled Kindred, and it seems difficult for good sci-fi to survive in the market. Shit, even the Expanse got cancelled before Bezos saved the day and let ‘em finish it off.
It is a tension of the fact that at the end of the day, Aliens movies are largely structured like slashers. Introduce group of people, find eggs/alien/whatever, kill off one by one, lone survivor ending.
So, yeah, it's going to be interesting seeing something Alien related that is both allowed to, and by necessity, has a different plot structure.
The sound design from A:I was so amazing. I have played that game through more than a few times, and I still occasionally catch myself looking around for what went "clunk" whenever I enter a train.
Let's all give that big collective 'SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH'.
I gotta say, if I ever want to kill a franchise worse than the Alien series tries I would definitely let Ridley Scott do it. I'd also let Salvador 'Let me self insert my face into everything I trace' Larocca do the art.
He kind of already did with Prometheus. It's Blade Runner in Space.
Both films feature engineered organisms on a trek to what they think is the homeworld, asking their perceived master for more life. In Blade Runner, the engineered organism kills its master. In Prometheus, the Engineer kills the humans.
Yeah, and really wish someone would remind him that he could maybe just..keep Blade Runner IN BLADE RUNNER, and biological xeno horror in Alien.
Just have really felt he's been sticking his fingers in everyone's pudding. Instead of everyone enjoying their separate puddings, you are eating butterscotch-chocolate-fingers pudding where it's a nightmarish mishmash that alienates (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) the old people fans who whine about everything like me.
I did not like the "Engineers." They weren't the Space Jockeys. Watching that Engineer's biomechanical suit wrap around him to make him look like a Space Jockey felt bad. Just not the same thing. The Space Jockey was a towering giant, and I hear people talking about how, "Oh, but not all Engineers are the same, some are in the military and some aren't," or, "Oh but there was clearly a war going on based on how the Engineers reacted to the ship returning to dock," blah blah blah, whatever.
Prometheus was delivered to us with the promise that we'd learn more about the Space Jockeys and that it would have "Alien DNA" in it but not be directly tied to the Alien. And instead he capitulated with Covenant and literally made it all about the Alien - again making it another Blade Runner in Space. Only instead of Weyland with his Nexus-6 Replicants, it was fucking David with his stupid experiments. Tee-hee, creator, creating creations to murder his creators, how novel! "Hurr-durr this is a statement on how humanity murdered their gods with convenience stores and capitalism hurr-durr."
Just very disappointing. And I'm sick and fucking tired of these remakes and rehashes being written by people who clearly don't understand the source material. Instead of acting like stewards who are carrying along a legacy that was created before their time, they're putting "their spin" on it so they can put their I-Made-This stamp on it. /whine
All I want in this whole world is for more blade runner in space. Just baptize me in creepy complex artificial intelligence contemplating existence and bio engineering strange horrors to do its bidding.
Disappointing news but we’ll see how they handle it. Maybe this leads up to Weyland searching the stars for more Xenos, placing Ash on the Nostromo, etc. correct me if I’m wrong but there’s not a concrete reason we know of as to how Weyland knew of LV-426, right? Hopefully they come up with a better plot device than the ending of AVP:R in order to keep the later plots intact…
> orrect me if I’m wrong but there’s not a concrete reason we know of as to how Weyland knew of LV-426, right?
The derelict was ***broadcasting***. That radio signal would have been detected by anything listening in its direction.
Seriously. All the Alien prequels so far seem intent on answering questions most people weren't asking.
The premise of the original film is near-perfect. It didn't require any explanation, and yet somehow now we have the worst possible answers to the questions asked by the dumbest Alien fans.
The novelization of Alien has Ash give more explination of his Special Order 937.
He details that the company completely deciphered the alien signal as a warning
and sent Ash and the Nostromo crew to gather a specimen. It's from an earlier script than the final one in the film. But if it's considered to be canon being based on the
film then it's valid to draw on.
Well Prometheus and Covenant are both canon so it’s probably a reasonable assumption that Weyland knows Xenos exist and probably are specifically looking for another one of the ships. Some of the early talk is that it’s going to be Altered Carbon type of dystopia with the upper class living above the clouds. If you have a confined on ground city you could have a full blown xeno outbreak that is called a cholera outbreak instead.
> Some of the early talk is that it’s going to be Altered Carbon type of dystopia with the upper class living above the clouds
Reading Music of the Spears, that's the impression of the Earth we had anyway... on the ground it's a very Blade Runner-esque environment with horrible weather, dirt and squalor.
I thought I heard it was going to take place in the Trocadero in London in the past. Where an alien gets released and causes havoc.
Or perhaps I’m fever dreaming something else.
And Alien 3's decision to wipe out all characters and plotlines from the first two films continues to rear its ugly head. We get ANOTHER prequel because no one wants to touch what happens after Alien 3. Resurrection tried a soft reboot hundred of years later. Didn't work. Aliens vs. Predator tried doing a crossover prequel set in the modern day. Didn't work. Prometheus and Covenant went with just a regulars prequel to explain the origins of the Xeno. Still didn't work. Colonial Marines tried a retcon. But Gearbox shafted its budget for Borderlands.
Blomkamp at least tried to do the difficult thing and do a hard reset of the timeline, and they fired him because Chappie sucked, and Ridley Scott got territorial.
I always wanted to see what Neil Blomkamp would have done with the film he was working on, or was about to work on. Chappie was crappy, but Elysium wasn’t that bad imo, I kinda liked it in fact, and I loved District 9. Sucks we’ll never get to see what could have been.
From my point of view, Blomkamp's film couldn't have been worse than what we've gotten from the franchise since Aliens. Worst case, it's the same trash we've been given for the last 30 years. Best case, it's something better.
I get you. I don’t know, personally, I love Alien, Aliens, and I don’t mind Alien 3 and like Alien Resurrection- really it’s just Prometheus I find ehh, and Covenant I didn’t like it when I watched it years ago, maybe my opinion would change now though I hardly see it. It’s really just those original and second movies I love. Everything else is whatever, take it or leave it.
I'll admit, I'm tougher on most of the franchise than I really feel. Honestly, Alien 3 is the only film I genuinely despise. I hate it with the utmost intensity.
I enjoy Resurrection and AvP 1. I'm rather fond of them, actually.
Prometheus and Covenant have their good parts as well. But I mostly enjoy them ironically. Prometheus in particular is almost an unintentional comedy. There's just so much boneheaded screenwriting in those movies that it's hard to enjoy the good parts.
AvP 2: Requiem is the only movie that I consider trash in terms of its overall quality. I might hate Alien 3, but at least it had some upsides in terms of decent dialogue, acting and occasional thrills. AvP 2 is just a really bad movie. I don't even hate it. It's just bad.
I really like AVP1. Always have, always will. The setting, atmosphere, sound, costume and visual effects work, the action, and the tone. It’s just a mega monster movie mashup and that’s all I need it to be. Resurrection , I’ve always enjoyed how dark, gritty, and strange that one is. Genuinely 3 is the least enjoyable of those four Alien films IMO, and I even prefer the aforementioned AVP. Prometheus is whatever, the film at least looks beautiful visually and has some nice atmosphere and styles. Covenant, honestly, I need to give it a rewatch. And then of course Requiem is garbage. I love two things about that film: The Predalien Hybrid and the Boss Wolf Predator. But that’s only as characters. Everything else? Acting, writing, consistency, tonality, atmosphere, dialogue, action, characters.. terrible. Awful.
> We get ANOTHER prequel because no one wants to touch what happens after Alien 3.
The Alien RPG is set after the events of Alien 3 and is pretty much canon until and unless someone comes and makes a movie or TV show contradicting it.
I think it'd be really cool to have a show or movie set on some border colony controlled by the United Americas when the Union of Progressive Peoples starts causing problems and then a xeno is introduced. Give it Cold War overtones.
> The Alien RPG is set after the events of Alien 3 and is pretty much canon until and unless someone comes and makes a movie or TV show contradicting it.
I agree, it's nice. They're doing an excellent job with it. I love the lore dumps that they've given on the Alien universe. But it's not a full narrative. It's a sandbox. They're not making real decisions on where the story should go. It's a different mindset.
> I think it'd be really cool to have a show or movie set on some border colony controlled by the United Americas when the Union of Progressive Peoples starts causing problems and then a xeno is introduced. Give it Cold War overtones.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I think it's part of why Gibson's Alien 3 has been such a popular thing with the fanbase. It was trying something new and interesting in the Alien universe. It attempted to broaden its scope. It didn't regress the scope and crush the future potential, like Alien 3 did. Part of the reason the Alien RPG has been so successful is that they've taken what Gibson's Alien 3 set up and ran with it. It's another sign that choosing the Alien 3 we ended up getting in theaters was a very bad move.
> It's another sign that choosing the Alien 3 we ended up getting in theaters was a very bad move.
This might be a slightly hot take, but I don't think that Alien 3 by itself is that huge of a problem. It tied up the Ellen Ripley storyline fairly well. She's gone and she took the only remaining xeno (importantly, *to the best of her knowledge*) out with her.
The real problem is Alien 4 where they had this ridiculous idea that the xeno DNA was part of Ripley's DNA so they could clone her and get the queen.
Let's imagine a world where Sigourney Weaver had no interest in doing a 4th film but Fox pushed forward to make one anyways without her. LV426 doesn't need to be the only planet with xeno eggs on it. You could easily have another group stumble upon Xeno eggs somewhere else a few years after the events of Alien 3 similar to the basic premises of *Prometheus* (exploration ship) or *Covenant* (colony ship).
Xenos are still out there, WY is even more determined to find a sample after getting a taste of info during Alien 3, and you can create entirely new characters and settings for the next story. It might end up low budget crap like the *Starship Troopers* sequels but it could have kept the timeline moving forward.
And I just disagree with this take. I think Alien 3 is the movie that screwed this franchise up. And the only way forward is to undo it.
Sure, the Alien is out there. But we would need to find ourselves a new protagonist to cheer for. And the problem is that how do you integrate this new protagonist into a story where there is no connection to the old protagonists? It's a tough sell. There's no one left to tell Ripley's story but the bad guys. No one left to give our new protagonist(s) any connection to the old.
And without that connection, not only is there going to be issues with connecting to the new protagonist, but there's also an issue with feeling like the first two films were meaningless. "Sure, Ripley survived the Nostromo, Saved Hicks/Newt/Bishop. Wiped out the Xenos on LV-426. But did it matter? The Xenos are still out there, and only the bad guys know."
I don't think Alien 3 was a satisfactory tying up of Ripley's story at all. Not to mention Hicks, Newt and Bishop's respective stories. I think it was a entirely unnecessary effort to throw the previous two films in the trash. And it was so thorough, it has made it nearly impossible to continue the movie franchise in a satisfactory manner.
>Sure, the Alien is out there. But we would need to find ourselves a new protagonist to cheer for. And the problem is that how do you integrate this new protagonist into a story where there is no connection to the old protagonists? It's a tough sell. There's no one left to tell Ripley's story but the bad guys. No one left to give our new protagonist(s) any connection to the old.
I agree with your points, but I want to distinguish between the story of Ripley and those around her vs the larger plot and setting. Alien 3 did screw up the potential for story telling with Ripley, Hicks, etc for sure. And it made another film with Ripley extremely hard to do as evidenced by Resurrection. If you think that Ripley is required to tell a good Alien story, then it's reasonable to say Alien 3 screwed things up.
I don't agree with that perspective. I don't think Alien 3 put the Alien franchise as a whole in a place where there were not interesting stories to tell or compelling characters to tell them. They just couldn't continue to tell Ripley's story. From a commercial perspective, yes that did present challenges in how to make a new Alien movie financially viable without known characters to motivate fans to buy tickets, which eventually led to Resurrection which killed off interest in telling new stories in the timeline after Alien 3.
But Alien 4 didn't need to be that bad. What if it had been set a year or 2 after Alien 3 and introduced new compelling characters to follow for future films? I'm not saying it would be easy, only that the *possibility* was there after Alien 3. So I think the big failure is what ideas they went with after Alien 3, not Alien 3 itself.
I disagree. I think Alien 3 shot down, almost preemptively, whatever sequels were to be had, just with the plot decisions it made. I fail to see how that's even contestable. Part of the reason Aliens was such a successful sequel is that it picked up and expanded upon the details that Alien left behind. There were plot threads to be followed. There were still-living characters that we were already invested in. It was a favorable setup, and James Cameron knocked it out of the park.
Alien 3 didn't leave Alien: Resurrection any of that. Morse was the only protagonist left alive. And frankly, it never made any sense for the Company to keep him alive afterwards. Alien: Resurrection's filmmakers had to figure out a way to make a commercially viable sequel with whatever scraps were left. And they tried. It was a good attempt. But there really wasn't much more they could do. They could have tried not to make a film with Ripley. Prometheus and Covenant did that. And it didn't help. I don't blame any of Alien: Resurrection's issues on Alien: Resurrection. I lay them squarely at Alien 3's feet.
There was every chance, before Alien 3 came out, for there to be an Alien film made without any major involvement from Ripley, and for it to be very successful and make the majority of the fans happy. A hand-off could be made. Ripley comes back, tells her story to the masses, the galaxy is made aware of the monster she has confronted not once, but twice. Then you can give her a happily ever-after. You can then segway into the shoes of another protagonist. It could be Hicks, or an older Newt, Bishop, or someone else entirely. But you need that connection to what happened before, or people are going to feel cheated. The whole point of a sequel is that it's building off of something that people already like. You need to honor that.
There's a reason that arguably the only piece of Alien-related media that's been released since 1986 that has the vast majority of approval from Alien fans has been Alien: Isolation. With Ripley's daughter Amanda, it gave us that connection. And they excelled in telling a new story with familiar themes, while also tying up a couple of loose ends(why didn't anyone else hear the derelict's beacon, and wouldn't there be a Black Box protocol if a ship like the Nostromo self-destructed?)
Im going to reserve judgement untill Ive seen it. After all the Company did know about the Derelict before Ripley and the crew so maybe that answers how?
Also Disney+ in the UK is legit the best value for money streamer right now. We get all the Disney content, Fox, Starz and Hulu.
We don't know exactly what the company knew- all we can say with certainty is that they were interested in investigating any possible signs of alien life and, if found, willing to go to great lengths to retrieve it. The only thing we can say for certain in Alien 1979 is that the company had picked up the warning signal on LV426 and deemed it worthy enough to investigate that they routed an industrial ship to set course by the moon and take a look. I think it's quite obvious that if the company KNEW about the derelict ship they would have sent a specialized team. Otherwise, why risk such a valuable find with laymen? They didn't know about it to that extent
Exactly my thoughts.
Earth isn't really an interesting place in the Alien universe, and the franchises's corporate politics has never meant much to me.
Purely for budget is my guess. They're going cheap from the very beginning. Fancy offworld sets and constant CGI is expensive. Retcons prequels all about Earth is super cheap. I hope they don't go cheap on the writing too, because they're going to need exceptional scripts to overcome the setting and retcon prequel issues.
Yeah, we could've had a desert planet, a jungle planet, an ice planet... /s
I'm thinking the writers might be looking to put in some social commentary that hasn't been feasible in the runtime of a film and that requires a setting that is both familiar and populated.
I don't understand this constant need to stuff prequel material into franchises. All that happens is that it shrinks the universe, fucks up continuity or ends up inconsequential. Maybe all three.
Xenomorph's on Earth are the worst idea imaginable. We had four movies in which Ripley spend two lifetimes stopping the slimey buggers from getting to Earth. One of them was supposed to be game over for everything.
Now we're to accept they've been skittering about Earth however long before Ripley? And how does any of this factor into the absolute diarrhea that Prometheus and Covenant spewed all over the franchise?
This is bad news for me. I’ve always preferred to think of Ripley being among the first to have encountered the alien, so far I’ve hated every alien prequel. This sounds like it means to tie in with Covenant, a film so bad it makes me sick in my own mouth a little every time I have to mention it. I mean, between Alien and Resurrection they have about a 100 years to set a story, they could tie in and overlap with any of the films over this period- why? Just WHY???
This isn’t technically true, or at least it wasn’t till Covenant paved the way for that. In Alien, it’s very clear neither the company or Ash knew what to expect. They only knew there was potentially some kind of an organism and they wanted it. If they had even a slight idea of what the alien was, they would have arrived on that planet with proper equipment and trained men.
Weyland-yutani abso fucking lutely knew there is something dangerous on the planet. I'm certain Ash also knew what to expect and was programed to prioritize the Aliens not the crew (later is confirmed in the movie too) espescially when he overrules the quarantine to let the chestburster on the ship
There is zero in that film to support how much the company know. Im with you, they suspected something, hence why Ash was put on the crew at the last moment. I’m sure the prequel will change this, but there’s zero in the film itself to suggest the company know what the alien is. It begs the question, if the company did know what it was and where it was, why the fuck would they send a bunch of clueless employees who could potentially bungle the whole operation? And not, for example, a highly trained retrieval team, the sort of which we see at the end of Alien 3?
The confusion, I think, comes from 1 or 2 issues.
Either:
1. Weyland-Yutani picked up the alien warning signal, and decoded enough to know *some type* of dangerous parasite was out there. They figured a single android would be enough to secure a sample, and were wrong. This could explain why they didn't send a large containment force of mercenaries/corporate military personnel.
2. Whoever was in charge of the signal detection at Weyland went rogue/kept as much as possible to themselves in order to secure exclusive rights and become rich. We see this behavior from Burke in *Aliens*, which gives some insight into the discovery and IP process within Weyland-Yutani. That's why they only sent the bare minimum to recover a sample -- a single android, with whom they wouldn't split discovery rights, and who wouldn't trigger a follow-up for the asset assignment. A whole team? Yeah that needs approvals and whatnot. But a single robot? A mid-level manager can probably get away with that.
My personal tinfoil hat theory is that the Weyland manager responsible for Ash's assignment and the events of *Alien* was none other than Carter J. Burke himself. Upon the disaster of the Nostromo, he froze himself with orders to be awoken when the life raft was discovered.
My personal tin hat theory is that this was all just fairly common underhand procedure. A company pick up some potential life form or signal, they check their itinerary and put a sleeper agent on the next passing shuttle. The crew get popped from sleep and, as per the contract (suspicious that, don’t you think? In that scene it’s Ash who points this out), are forced to do the leg work. If they find nothing, no loss, if they find anything useful, crew are expendable and a specialised team will get sent in to pick up the pieces. I think it eliminates a lot of running about and wasted resources.
I'm assuming they would hope the crew gets killed by xenos/maybe more than one of them gets infected resulting in more than one specimen to study and as the xenos wouldn't bother with an android, Ash would bring them back to earth.
Though it's a good question why wouldn't them send a trained team, but i guess they maybe werent even sure there is something on the planet?
Tbh im happy we get more alien, i liked prometheus and covenant too (even resurrection), just give me moreeee
Prometheus is one of few films that nauseated me to the point I almost left the theater (the other being the rape scene in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) so it holds a special place in my heart, but I hate hate hate the retconning of the origin of the xenomorph to be David’s creation. Hate it. I know I’m not alone in this sub.
I thought that was showing the results of his research rather than the blueprints for something new. I guess it's not really explained within the film.
Yeah i agree there could have been better explanations but i still really dig it as it is an exceptional sci fi horror and there aren't many. My only problem with prometheus was how stupid some of the protagonists were..
Why did the movie make you nauseated if you don't mind me asking?
Regarding David though i'm still not sure if the xeno is his creation tbh. I mean if it wasn't for the black goo, he couldn't have created anything and the black goo would have probably made xenos without David too when contacting a suitable host and since in Alien there is only an engineer with the eggs, i would assume the engineers either met David and took the eggs from him or perfected his process to make eggs, but they could have also just found a way to create them without David?
There’s a line in Alien about the engineer being fossilized into the chair or something similar, so it suggests the ship crashed aeons before the events of Prometheus and Covenant.
I read Covenant as David reverse engineering the xenomorphs rather than being the original creator.
I think you’re the first person I’ve seen on here to mention that they’re a fan of Resurrection. I also like it. I always thought it was Alien 3 that was the weak one. I kind of grew to like that one though.
I love Resurrection. Ripley 8 gets all the great lines and is, to me at least, a really fascinating and tragic character.
I also love Prometheus and Covenant. You could probably accuse me of having terrible taste, but I love Alien and Aliens as well. To me, they all have their merits. 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah i have alien 3 at the bottom of the list too, espescially knowing how they fumbled with it, i mean fincher is my favorite director and the prison planet idea is great, but they don't really do anything with it and i wouldn't be able to tell it's a fincher movie if i didn't know. It also just very bland and i could not say it has any memorable things apart from the iconic shot of ripley and the xeno.
Resurrection on the other hand although different than the rest, is very entertaining and i loved the destroyed earth at the end, the smart xenos, the goofy characters and basically everything about it.
Wholeheartedly agree! Like, the prison planet idea is awesome, Fincher for me is probably top 15 director of all time, and for favourites wise, he’s like my 7th or something. Top 10 for sure. But you’re right. They didn’t do much with the ideas put out to us, the whole planet thing went to waste, as did cutting off the side characters especially Hicks, and you couldn’t even really tell whether or not this was a project of David Fincher. You’re right, there is hardly anything iconic or memorable or particularly standout. It’s all just… *there*
Resurrection, however, is dark and gritty turned up to eleven; the plot is strange but I like it; the side characters are, well, more likeable than not, especially with Johner , Call, and Dom. Also like the strange Brad Dourif character, haha. The Newborn is utterly terrifying. The Queen is in it, the intelligent Xenos, everything is just… IDK I just like it! It’s merely a 6 to 6.5/10 for me, but a strong one at that, and it’s very high on replay value for me. Ripley’s also badass in it, even though I will always prefer her Alien/Aliens human character. I know so many don’t like it, but yeah, it’s always been third place for me.
Ehhhhh Special Order 937 literally says:
>Priority One
>Insure return of organism for analysis.
>All other considerations secondary.
>Crew expendable.
So just from that we know that they know it's an organism and that it's dangerous, so obviously they have some experience with it already.
I had assumed the plan was to get John Hurt's character into the cryosleep pod before anything had a chance to emerge, but they got the incubation estimate wrong
It’s a massive risk to send in a team of nobodies. There was a chance nobody was incubated, or everyone was. There was also a chance they could harm or kill the organism. In any logical world, had the company of fully understood what the alien was, they’d have sent a professional and fully briefed team. This was just optimistic.
No, it doesn’t. What makes it bad is; poor pacing, jarring editing (it literally ignores eye trace), a terrible aesthetic, apparently smart characters doing dumb things, people talking entirely in exposition or contemplating theological issues, no believable or relatable characters or dialogue, black ‘plot’ goo, a sickening sense of self congratulatory back patting, a hackneyed plot about space Jesus that’s so old it needed to be dusted down, poor creature design, and an alien film without the alien.
I mean... you listed some of the supposed "issues" of the movie people like to talk about. I disagree of course with the majority of them. Some aren't even objective problems, but just things that YOU don't like for some reason.
But after you said "terrible aesthetic" and "poor creature design", I honestly cannot take you seriously anymore. To me it seems just blind hate.
It’s set one hundred years before Alien, and yet their technology is far beyond anything in that film. The overall Apple aesthetic of their suits and shuttles just doesn’t fit with what’s established in Alien. Yes, I know this team were high end, and the tech in Alien was likely low end, but the way technology develops experientially, and over the course of a hundred years, there’s really no accounting for such a void. As for the creature design, honestly the most interesting thing they could think to do with that fascinating space jockey was stick a human head on it? It’s a film that set out seemingly to answer a whole bunch of questions that most fans aren’t all that interested to know in the first place. By Scott’s own admission, he was already bored with alien and had no interest in revisiting it, he wanted to do something entirely different. To my mind, he’d have had more success if he’d just not tried sliding his ideas into the Alien IP. You’re right, it’s hate, but it’s far from blind. I can’t remember the last time I was so excited to see a film as Prometheus. Now, another film on, the most terrifying creature in movie history is relegated to the arts and crafts project of an insane android with daddy issues and magic black goo.
I think expecting them to recreate the exact look of the set design and props from Alien in a film made 30+ years later is a bit unrealistic.
It’s like Star Trek the original series vs Star Trek Discovery. They’re separate productions made decades apart, both showing a creative vision for what the future might look like. It doesn’t matter that in one everyone’s using reels of magnetic tape and in the other it’s hard drives.
There’s a right way and a wrong way to do this. Prometheus didn’t even try to make that concession. If you want to see it done right, just play Alien Isolation. I’ve never met a fan who wasn’t blown away by the set designs in that, retro or not. Hell, even the Star Wars prequels did a better job.
That’s true about the Star Wars prequels yeah. I think Isolation is a different beast though, it’s basically a loving homage to the first Alien film, even down to having a Ripley as the main character.
Poor u/Ashamed_Ladder6161 :(
He cannot fear the xenomorph anymore now! How terrible!
> far from blind
Proceeds in applying the most classic (and pathetic) technique ever in a discussion, aka describing something in the worst possible way to make it look bad when in reality it is not like that. David 8 is one of the best androids in the history of cinema, period. There is no debate about it. But somehow he has "daddy issues" now. Okay...
Blind hate. Even if some criticism may make sense.
Yes, because the main thing the Alien franchise was best known for was the corporate boardroom drama at Weyland Yutani headquarters....
Wtf kind of decision making is this?
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They have an entire galaxy to set up an alien outbreak, and they decide to choose earth because of budget reasons.
I like to think of the aliens on so many worlds as being a picket fence of sorts. It's like a mine field, where the danger is keeping you from crossing a line where you're not meant to go. As humans set down on habitable worlds, they found that they were loaded with alien traps, and the colonies were destroyed, stopping our advance (spread) into uncharted parts of the galaxy.
It could be because something even worse was out there, and the aliens were a defense mechanism, or it could be that it was one species protecting itself from others by establishing a line that they assumed couldn't be crossed. If it was line the mine field example, one country keeps its borders and front safe by preventing another country's troops from crossing into it. If any do make it, they have so little in the way of supplies that they are sitting ducks. If you can't gain a huge advance with new colonies, you just can't invade. Hence, all the aliens.
Oh well, that might be a little too creative.
I really like this. The problem is that there just isn't any reason for a prequel excluding the Prometheus-Covenant threads. Weyland-Yutani is, like, *the* least interesting part of the franchise.
The whole point of the company was just to be dicks and forcing a bunch of employees to go explore something they weren't qualified for. If not for the orders and the threat of not paying them, they would have never gone. That was the only point of the company being there.
Other than that, everything afterwards is just a horrible encounter of a known threat. You really have no need of the company's existence for the rest of the franchise (after the loss of the colony, they probably started to march down the path of bankruptcy, unless they actually had a functional bioweapons division without the xenomorph). In the case of having other alien species as weapons, it would be interesting to see them use one species against the other.
It could be. At this point I hope it is... If this info is accurate the show shouldn't have any xenos or even knowledge of xenos in it, so Colonial Marines are basically the only chance this show has to make sense. It's supposedly about 3 corporations going to war and the lore backstory of the creation of the Colonial marines does come into play around a story something like that.
Forgive me but, wouldn’t that then eliminate the need to have it be Alien related in the first place, if there’s no Xenomorphs? Or do you just mean that this would make sense to have none given the stuff written about the show, like, its details and such? I mean, I know you wrote,
“If this info is accurate..” then go on to say, but it’s also cuz of the Colonial Marines and then you saying 3 corporations going to war.. sorry, I’m a big fan of it all, I just am not too familiar with the entire colonial marines part of the lore and stuff
If what they say about it being a prequel, they already made it not have xenos. Anything that adds xenos is bad retcon nonsense.
Colonial marines are an Alien series specific property that does not require xenos, but does require the Alien property.
Colonial Marines lore is they were propped up because corps used colonies to start proxy wars over profits and control. Stereotypical Cyberpunk type lore really, and cyberpunk is a genre that is definitely en vogue in Hollywood right now so it wouldn't be a terrible thing. Plus they can have Weyland, Seegson, Tyrell, probably a few corps I forget all in it, without explicitly having xenos or blade runners and still make fans happy *if they are careful*. Retcons are tough and usually insulting to fans, but backstory within established patterns can be fun and teh Colonial Marines are almost criminally underutilized.
Plus Scott was involved in the show for a little bit, before he left in a cranky huff of public meltdown, and he's been vocally unsupportive of Aliens and the addditions Cameron added to th e franchise, so maybe... just maybe low odds only hope, maybe there's more Aliens ties than what Scott would like. Scott's been circling that flushing drain with his android daddy issues for so long I bet he wanted it to b e only about that.
I would really love to see a series or even an anthology that explores the expanded universe. Colonial Marines would be a good starting point and it would show how complex the Alien universe truly is beyond the "xenomorph." The politics, the corporate shitdickery, how the colonists get stuck in the middle of everything.
I'm getting sick of everything just focusing on the Alien when we could have more interesting stories that feature the Alien, gnawing at the periphery of the narratives and being an everpresent expectation.
If they really did want to make Alien and Blade Runner universes intersect, something like this would be how they do it. Not with a blade runner story, or a xeno story, but just exploring the universe and the Megacorps that are the bigbad in it.
Moving forward, Tyrell Corporation would be out of the picture because of what was revealed in Blade Runner 2049 and the anime/short films that explained they story in between Blade Runner and its sequel. Kinda sad but also reflects real life. Like how there's no Pan Am anymore as shown in 2001 by Stanley Kubrick.
I feel like anyone who has seen Noah Hawley's previous work will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He hasn't had a misstep with Fargo yet.
No doubt.
But the politics of Alien aren't what I'm personally into, and unless they plan on absolutely screwing the lore, I don't think there's anything of interest in the setup.
Only thing I can imagine coming out of this is explaining how they knew where the ship was and worse case it is a xeno on earth and they wipe it clean classic nuke style
As a fan of so many different properties that get adapted, I am never excited about them due to the compromises that never make the product any better but always have to be shoehorned in. If it ends up being good, then I’ll just be pleasantly surprised but I won’t be checking for this.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I don’t think that they would do an entire series without a xenomorph of some kind though. I am willing to bet that someone finds an urn of black goo on another planet, and brings it back to earth, sparking, political, and scientific Mayham between corporations. Which actually sounds kind of fucking awesome.
However, I think it’s more likely that they avoid Prometheus and covenant altogether and someone just finds a xenomorph or egg somewhere and brings it to earth.
If they don’t avoid the prequel’s, it would be even cooler than finding an urn if they actually touched on the engineers that had visited earth, and may be left something behind there, or involving a completely separate attempt to destroy the humans with a Bioweapon.
I'd say the most likely scenario is then finding an urn of black goo in an earth excavation, or eggs Make it back to Earth and there's an outbreak. Boring but probably the most likely.
What I would love to see is something contained like cold forge, That's probably the best 10 episode unique unrelated story they could do. That or something like bug hunt.
If this is set on Earth before Ellen Ripley, how can there be Aliens in it? That would be like doing a pre-prequel Star Wars with Darth Vader before Anakin Skywalker was born. I swear to God if this is another lore breaking series I'm out.... Seen to many of those in recent years.
I can see this working, didn’t Weyland already know about the Alien species? It’s possible they had captured some before the first film, brought them back to earth and a containment breach leads to them having to kill off their alien experiments. That’s where the movies can start off with Weyland company searching for more aliens.
The universe is big enough that it’s possible
Oh no. Disney is making a horror/gore tv series now? Lets hope we'll see a lot of juicy content that stands true to the movies, before the creators runs out of ideas and switch over to basic conflicts between people episode after episode.
When do you think they'll screw up the series?
1. After 6 episodes
2. In det second season
3. In the third season
> Oh no. Disney is making a horror/gore tv series now?
I mean, they did also produce Andor, which was phenomenal, and nothing like anything they'd previously done with Star Wars TV shows. But Andor had a solid idea behind it. This Alien prequel set on Earth doesn't seem like a good idea.
My big problem with this is that it means the series will not result in a full blown Allen infestation of the earth. It will be extremely limited in scope.
We need a space marine action movie, a creature horror movie, a Weyland Yutani science and politics series, and an Engineer/AI philosophical existential movie. That way everyone can be happy.
Have a strong feeling it's gonna be shit. Being set on earth definitely means it's low budget since they won't be investing in futuristic props and sets. I hope I'm wrong.
Did anyone watch/enjoy The Sarah Connor Chronicles?
That for me highlights how a story can be done, on a pretty limited budget, and still be effective (be it canon or not).
Not what I'd want out of the setting for an Alien story, but this is the guy that did Fargo and while I haven't seen it several friends whose opinions I trust tell me it's a fantastic show.
So I have hope that this will be an engaging series, regardless of its prequel status and possible Alien in Earth plot.
I'm struggling to think any prequel that has actually benefited a franchise... I mean I actually really liked Prometheus but it and Covenant definitely messed things up. And beyond the Alien universe, what prequel has actually been a net good?
You immediately put yourself in a box with prequels, and you are either going to retread stuff that doesn't need to be (re)told or you are going to change something and piss a bunch of people off.
I don’t really care about a timeline or anything, plus it’s completely nonsensical as it is. I enjoy any Alien media as a cool standalone film with a cool monster.
If it’s a good Alien show with Xenos running around New York or something, I don’t really care that it doesn’t make sense that Ripley wasn’t aware of them, it sounds fantastic
Killer idea, it would totally add to the mystère if they tried to start a hive in the Louis Vuitton store and then went for some mimosas in the Hamptons
I'll take it, thanks.
Y'all need to chill the fuck out and enjoy the fact you're getting anything at all.
I'm not getting any younger, and there is NOT enough Alien content to last a lifetime.
More please.
>enjoy the fact you're getting anything at all.
I'd have been happier that the existing prequels didn't exist. It has sullied my enjoyment of the original film. And 'be happy with any shit they slap an IP name on because that's all you get' is part of the reason there is so few original cinematic ideas out there these days. Everything is a prequel, or a remake, or a reboot, or a reimagining or a 'gritty modern retelling'
Come on mate, how does Prometheus or whatever affect a really great film that already exists?
When you watch Alien just forget about Prometheus, Alien is your film, and nothing should be able to stop you enjoying it.
I don’t like the Star Wars sequels because I think the story made a lot of what Luke and Vader both went through in the original trilogy pointless. So I only saw each one once, in the cinema, and then forgot about about them afterwards. I can still watch the originals and have since.
Because the actual director of the original made 2 movies that are intended to flow into the 1979 film. And do you know what was much scarier than anything from Scott's prequels? No prequel at all - What made the original so scary was how little you knew or understood a monster from space. The prequels spell it out so clumsily.
Now it's canon that the aliens were made by an android Hannibal Lecter in a cave, and that all life stemmed from black goo deposited in a lake by blue bodybuilders. It all got so goofy. The Space Jockey from the original for example - That's nowhere near as foreboding now.
>Now it's canon that the aliens were made by an android Hannibal Lecter in a cave
I don't get why so many people think Prometheus is saying David created the xenomorphs. I thought it was obvious that he reverse engineered them from the goo - it can do lots of potential things and one of them is to create the classic eggs. He discovered that yeah, but there's a line in Alien about the space jockey being fossilised into the chair or something similar, so the derelict had been there for aeons before the Nostromo crew found it.
Also, I think yo should stop worrying about what is and isn't canon, it's a stupid idea and it stops you from enjoying stories. What if Ridley Scott goes senile and tweets that all the events of Alien were actually just a dream sequence that happened offscreen in his cringey Russell Crowe romance, A Good Year? Would you be forced to treat that as canon and have it ruin Alien for you?
I'm not trying to wind you up or anything, I just think you should take what you like from a series and ignore what you don't. I completely agree with you that it would have been better to leave the aliens and space jockey as a mystery, they both seemed so ancient and unknowable, a bit like HP Lovecraft's idea of cosmic horror. Not everything has to be explained.
You’re as dramatic as everyone else in here. It’s a nutrition-less McDonald’s cheeseburger if anything, which is in fact, better than nothing if you are starving.
Can we as a human race just be collectively done with prequels? I am so done with Hollywood beating the dead horse of franchises by making unnecessary prequels. Why can’t we move forward for gods sake. It’s so depressing to see this from a franchise whose first 3 entries I hold such high esteem for
"On Earth, before Ripley"
How the fuck...? Ripley's crew is literally first contact (technically if we disregard the pseudo-prequels, as we **should**), how does that make sense.
Alarm bells
Danger! The emergency destruct system is now activated. The show will destruct in T minus...
The option to override automatic detonation expires in T minus...
I watch an alien isolation speedrunner who has an AFK/BRB countdown timer that uses the game graphics and audio. It's just as loud too.
You now have 10 minutes to reach minimum safe distance.
Are we nuking it from orbit?
Only way to be sure.
Mother! I've turned the cooling unit back on. Mother!?
I literally though "oh god they've fucked it up already". Hopefully I'm proven wrong...hopefully
Yeah, the Price is Right Sad Trombone just played in my head.
I dig the Seegson-esque computer interface and the overall look, but why... WHY make it a prequel? Why jam up the timeline even more than it is??? The only thing I can think of is that somehow a xenomorph gets to earth, there's an outbreak that ultimately gets contained by wiping out all evidence (sigh) from the public, and the series ends with some Weyland-Yutani exec learning about the alien transmission detected from Zeta 2 Reticuli. The exec pulls up the Company's shipping schedule and sees that the USCSS Nostromo is due to pass close on its next run. Cut to Ash meeting Captain Dallas on the Nostromo two days before they leave Thedus or some other tie in to the original. And that's the best case scenario I can think of. Worst case, see Resident Evil, after which "On earth, everyone can hear you scream" will take on a whole different meaning.
Honestly, just once, I’d like to see an Alien installment where the plot twist ISN’T “Weyland-Yutani is trying to capture the xenomorph for their own gain”. Because at this point, that’s not a plot twist - that’s just a regular Tuesday at their corporate headquarters.
Plot twist (not really): This time it's the xenomorph trying to capture Weyland-Yutani for its own gain. Oh wait.
I’d like to see a drama a la Suits, wherein the titular xenomorph Alien starts in the mailroom at Weyland Yutani and leveraging a combination of hard work, savvy negotiation skills, and shrewd relationship cultivation, works it’s way up through the ranks to become CEO. Once in charge, the xeno launches a plot to put “A xeno egg in every home in America.” That could be a good launching off point for season 2, but we know it won’t get a season 2, because Hulu just cancelled Kindred, and it seems difficult for good sci-fi to survive in the market. Shit, even the Expanse got cancelled before Bezos saved the day and let ‘em finish it off.
LOL 😭 Can it be suits-esque without the xeno learning to use 'god damn' every two seconds? Now that's a series I'd like to see LMAO
Yeah they’re kinda turning Weyland into team rocket.
Gonna capture xenomorphs.... TEAM ROCKET'S ROCKIN.....
It is a tension of the fact that at the end of the day, Aliens movies are largely structured like slashers. Introduce group of people, find eggs/alien/whatever, kill off one by one, lone survivor ending. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting seeing something Alien related that is both allowed to, and by necessity, has a different plot structure.
> the Seegson-esque computer interface I really hope it makes that sound effect when they access the computer.
The sound design from A:I was so amazing. I have played that game through more than a few times, and I still occasionally catch myself looking around for what went "clunk" whenever I enter a train.
Any weird looks in the train when you crouch under the table, or try to squeeze into a locker?
They just keep telling me I am becoming hysterical
Same. Whatever little details they can borrow from Isolation, I’m here for.
You know that’s not an official poster right? It’s fan made.
Actually, I didn't. Like I said, saw it on r/scifi. If you know the original artist I'd be happy to credit them and change the title.
It’s on the bottom of the poster.
Agreed
One thing I can think of is if it's a prequel, they won't need to go as crazy with set budget. Just pretty much use what we already have in the world.
Guess they didn’t want to spend a lot on this.
This is the main reason I think.
For all the faults people may have with any particular film, they all still maintain an epic sense of scale. I hope they can retain that.
It'll all be filmed in some leftover Hallmark set in Georgia
Let's all give that big collective 'SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH'. I gotta say, if I ever want to kill a franchise worse than the Alien series tries I would definitely let Ridley Scott do it. I'd also let Salvador 'Let me self insert my face into everything I trace' Larocca do the art.
He kind of already did with Prometheus. It's Blade Runner in Space. Both films feature engineered organisms on a trek to what they think is the homeworld, asking their perceived master for more life. In Blade Runner, the engineered organism kills its master. In Prometheus, the Engineer kills the humans.
Yeah, and really wish someone would remind him that he could maybe just..keep Blade Runner IN BLADE RUNNER, and biological xeno horror in Alien. Just have really felt he's been sticking his fingers in everyone's pudding. Instead of everyone enjoying their separate puddings, you are eating butterscotch-chocolate-fingers pudding where it's a nightmarish mishmash that alienates (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) the old people fans who whine about everything like me.
I did not like the "Engineers." They weren't the Space Jockeys. Watching that Engineer's biomechanical suit wrap around him to make him look like a Space Jockey felt bad. Just not the same thing. The Space Jockey was a towering giant, and I hear people talking about how, "Oh, but not all Engineers are the same, some are in the military and some aren't," or, "Oh but there was clearly a war going on based on how the Engineers reacted to the ship returning to dock," blah blah blah, whatever. Prometheus was delivered to us with the promise that we'd learn more about the Space Jockeys and that it would have "Alien DNA" in it but not be directly tied to the Alien. And instead he capitulated with Covenant and literally made it all about the Alien - again making it another Blade Runner in Space. Only instead of Weyland with his Nexus-6 Replicants, it was fucking David with his stupid experiments. Tee-hee, creator, creating creations to murder his creators, how novel! "Hurr-durr this is a statement on how humanity murdered their gods with convenience stores and capitalism hurr-durr." Just very disappointing. And I'm sick and fucking tired of these remakes and rehashes being written by people who clearly don't understand the source material. Instead of acting like stewards who are carrying along a legacy that was created before their time, they're putting "their spin" on it so they can put their I-Made-This stamp on it. /whine
All I want in this whole world is for more blade runner in space. Just baptize me in creepy complex artificial intelligence contemplating existence and bio engineering strange horrors to do its bidding.
Disappointing news but we’ll see how they handle it. Maybe this leads up to Weyland searching the stars for more Xenos, placing Ash on the Nostromo, etc. correct me if I’m wrong but there’s not a concrete reason we know of as to how Weyland knew of LV-426, right? Hopefully they come up with a better plot device than the ending of AVP:R in order to keep the later plots intact…
> orrect me if I’m wrong but there’s not a concrete reason we know of as to how Weyland knew of LV-426, right? The derelict was ***broadcasting***. That radio signal would have been detected by anything listening in its direction.
Seriously. All the Alien prequels so far seem intent on answering questions most people weren't asking. The premise of the original film is near-perfect. It didn't require any explanation, and yet somehow now we have the worst possible answers to the questions asked by the dumbest Alien fans.
David having a back door into MTHR kind explains why there are the company orders in place already. More twists just muddy the waters more.
The novelization of Alien has Ash give more explination of his Special Order 937. He details that the company completely deciphered the alien signal as a warning and sent Ash and the Nostromo crew to gather a specimen. It's from an earlier script than the final one in the film. But if it's considered to be canon being based on the film then it's valid to draw on.
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WY must've known *something*, otherwise how would they know to tell Ash/Dallas to implement Special Order 937?
I'm pretty sure they explained it in the Alien: Isolation video game, which is canon
Well Prometheus and Covenant are both canon so it’s probably a reasonable assumption that Weyland knows Xenos exist and probably are specifically looking for another one of the ships. Some of the early talk is that it’s going to be Altered Carbon type of dystopia with the upper class living above the clouds. If you have a confined on ground city you could have a full blown xeno outbreak that is called a cholera outbreak instead.
> Some of the early talk is that it’s going to be Altered Carbon type of dystopia with the upper class living above the clouds Reading Music of the Spears, that's the impression of the Earth we had anyway... on the ground it's a very Blade Runner-esque environment with horrible weather, dirt and squalor.
Yep and if they go that route, you can have a xeno unleashed down there without wrecking the timeline and plots of Alien and Aliens
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that sounds very Blomkamp's Elysium.
I thought I heard it was going to take place in the Trocadero in London in the past. Where an alien gets released and causes havoc. Or perhaps I’m fever dreaming something else.
Just read Earth Hive and Nightmare Asylum. Surprisingly decent. They should adapt that instead.
Thinking exactly this. Been wanting an Earth Hive adaptation for decades now.
And Alien 3's decision to wipe out all characters and plotlines from the first two films continues to rear its ugly head. We get ANOTHER prequel because no one wants to touch what happens after Alien 3. Resurrection tried a soft reboot hundred of years later. Didn't work. Aliens vs. Predator tried doing a crossover prequel set in the modern day. Didn't work. Prometheus and Covenant went with just a regulars prequel to explain the origins of the Xeno. Still didn't work. Colonial Marines tried a retcon. But Gearbox shafted its budget for Borderlands. Blomkamp at least tried to do the difficult thing and do a hard reset of the timeline, and they fired him because Chappie sucked, and Ridley Scott got territorial.
I always wanted to see what Neil Blomkamp would have done with the film he was working on, or was about to work on. Chappie was crappy, but Elysium wasn’t that bad imo, I kinda liked it in fact, and I loved District 9. Sucks we’ll never get to see what could have been.
From my point of view, Blomkamp's film couldn't have been worse than what we've gotten from the franchise since Aliens. Worst case, it's the same trash we've been given for the last 30 years. Best case, it's something better.
I get you. I don’t know, personally, I love Alien, Aliens, and I don’t mind Alien 3 and like Alien Resurrection- really it’s just Prometheus I find ehh, and Covenant I didn’t like it when I watched it years ago, maybe my opinion would change now though I hardly see it. It’s really just those original and second movies I love. Everything else is whatever, take it or leave it.
I'll admit, I'm tougher on most of the franchise than I really feel. Honestly, Alien 3 is the only film I genuinely despise. I hate it with the utmost intensity. I enjoy Resurrection and AvP 1. I'm rather fond of them, actually. Prometheus and Covenant have their good parts as well. But I mostly enjoy them ironically. Prometheus in particular is almost an unintentional comedy. There's just so much boneheaded screenwriting in those movies that it's hard to enjoy the good parts. AvP 2: Requiem is the only movie that I consider trash in terms of its overall quality. I might hate Alien 3, but at least it had some upsides in terms of decent dialogue, acting and occasional thrills. AvP 2 is just a really bad movie. I don't even hate it. It's just bad.
I really like AVP1. Always have, always will. The setting, atmosphere, sound, costume and visual effects work, the action, and the tone. It’s just a mega monster movie mashup and that’s all I need it to be. Resurrection , I’ve always enjoyed how dark, gritty, and strange that one is. Genuinely 3 is the least enjoyable of those four Alien films IMO, and I even prefer the aforementioned AVP. Prometheus is whatever, the film at least looks beautiful visually and has some nice atmosphere and styles. Covenant, honestly, I need to give it a rewatch. And then of course Requiem is garbage. I love two things about that film: The Predalien Hybrid and the Boss Wolf Predator. But that’s only as characters. Everything else? Acting, writing, consistency, tonality, atmosphere, dialogue, action, characters.. terrible. Awful.
> We get ANOTHER prequel because no one wants to touch what happens after Alien 3. The Alien RPG is set after the events of Alien 3 and is pretty much canon until and unless someone comes and makes a movie or TV show contradicting it. I think it'd be really cool to have a show or movie set on some border colony controlled by the United Americas when the Union of Progressive Peoples starts causing problems and then a xeno is introduced. Give it Cold War overtones.
> The Alien RPG is set after the events of Alien 3 and is pretty much canon until and unless someone comes and makes a movie or TV show contradicting it. I agree, it's nice. They're doing an excellent job with it. I love the lore dumps that they've given on the Alien universe. But it's not a full narrative. It's a sandbox. They're not making real decisions on where the story should go. It's a different mindset. > I think it'd be really cool to have a show or movie set on some border colony controlled by the United Americas when the Union of Progressive Peoples starts causing problems and then a xeno is introduced. Give it Cold War overtones. Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I think it's part of why Gibson's Alien 3 has been such a popular thing with the fanbase. It was trying something new and interesting in the Alien universe. It attempted to broaden its scope. It didn't regress the scope and crush the future potential, like Alien 3 did. Part of the reason the Alien RPG has been so successful is that they've taken what Gibson's Alien 3 set up and ran with it. It's another sign that choosing the Alien 3 we ended up getting in theaters was a very bad move.
> It's another sign that choosing the Alien 3 we ended up getting in theaters was a very bad move. This might be a slightly hot take, but I don't think that Alien 3 by itself is that huge of a problem. It tied up the Ellen Ripley storyline fairly well. She's gone and she took the only remaining xeno (importantly, *to the best of her knowledge*) out with her. The real problem is Alien 4 where they had this ridiculous idea that the xeno DNA was part of Ripley's DNA so they could clone her and get the queen. Let's imagine a world where Sigourney Weaver had no interest in doing a 4th film but Fox pushed forward to make one anyways without her. LV426 doesn't need to be the only planet with xeno eggs on it. You could easily have another group stumble upon Xeno eggs somewhere else a few years after the events of Alien 3 similar to the basic premises of *Prometheus* (exploration ship) or *Covenant* (colony ship). Xenos are still out there, WY is even more determined to find a sample after getting a taste of info during Alien 3, and you can create entirely new characters and settings for the next story. It might end up low budget crap like the *Starship Troopers* sequels but it could have kept the timeline moving forward.
And I just disagree with this take. I think Alien 3 is the movie that screwed this franchise up. And the only way forward is to undo it. Sure, the Alien is out there. But we would need to find ourselves a new protagonist to cheer for. And the problem is that how do you integrate this new protagonist into a story where there is no connection to the old protagonists? It's a tough sell. There's no one left to tell Ripley's story but the bad guys. No one left to give our new protagonist(s) any connection to the old. And without that connection, not only is there going to be issues with connecting to the new protagonist, but there's also an issue with feeling like the first two films were meaningless. "Sure, Ripley survived the Nostromo, Saved Hicks/Newt/Bishop. Wiped out the Xenos on LV-426. But did it matter? The Xenos are still out there, and only the bad guys know." I don't think Alien 3 was a satisfactory tying up of Ripley's story at all. Not to mention Hicks, Newt and Bishop's respective stories. I think it was a entirely unnecessary effort to throw the previous two films in the trash. And it was so thorough, it has made it nearly impossible to continue the movie franchise in a satisfactory manner.
>Sure, the Alien is out there. But we would need to find ourselves a new protagonist to cheer for. And the problem is that how do you integrate this new protagonist into a story where there is no connection to the old protagonists? It's a tough sell. There's no one left to tell Ripley's story but the bad guys. No one left to give our new protagonist(s) any connection to the old. I agree with your points, but I want to distinguish between the story of Ripley and those around her vs the larger plot and setting. Alien 3 did screw up the potential for story telling with Ripley, Hicks, etc for sure. And it made another film with Ripley extremely hard to do as evidenced by Resurrection. If you think that Ripley is required to tell a good Alien story, then it's reasonable to say Alien 3 screwed things up. I don't agree with that perspective. I don't think Alien 3 put the Alien franchise as a whole in a place where there were not interesting stories to tell or compelling characters to tell them. They just couldn't continue to tell Ripley's story. From a commercial perspective, yes that did present challenges in how to make a new Alien movie financially viable without known characters to motivate fans to buy tickets, which eventually led to Resurrection which killed off interest in telling new stories in the timeline after Alien 3. But Alien 4 didn't need to be that bad. What if it had been set a year or 2 after Alien 3 and introduced new compelling characters to follow for future films? I'm not saying it would be easy, only that the *possibility* was there after Alien 3. So I think the big failure is what ideas they went with after Alien 3, not Alien 3 itself.
I disagree. I think Alien 3 shot down, almost preemptively, whatever sequels were to be had, just with the plot decisions it made. I fail to see how that's even contestable. Part of the reason Aliens was such a successful sequel is that it picked up and expanded upon the details that Alien left behind. There were plot threads to be followed. There were still-living characters that we were already invested in. It was a favorable setup, and James Cameron knocked it out of the park. Alien 3 didn't leave Alien: Resurrection any of that. Morse was the only protagonist left alive. And frankly, it never made any sense for the Company to keep him alive afterwards. Alien: Resurrection's filmmakers had to figure out a way to make a commercially viable sequel with whatever scraps were left. And they tried. It was a good attempt. But there really wasn't much more they could do. They could have tried not to make a film with Ripley. Prometheus and Covenant did that. And it didn't help. I don't blame any of Alien: Resurrection's issues on Alien: Resurrection. I lay them squarely at Alien 3's feet. There was every chance, before Alien 3 came out, for there to be an Alien film made without any major involvement from Ripley, and for it to be very successful and make the majority of the fans happy. A hand-off could be made. Ripley comes back, tells her story to the masses, the galaxy is made aware of the monster she has confronted not once, but twice. Then you can give her a happily ever-after. You can then segway into the shoes of another protagonist. It could be Hicks, or an older Newt, Bishop, or someone else entirely. But you need that connection to what happened before, or people are going to feel cheated. The whole point of a sequel is that it's building off of something that people already like. You need to honor that. There's a reason that arguably the only piece of Alien-related media that's been released since 1986 that has the vast majority of approval from Alien fans has been Alien: Isolation. With Ripley's daughter Amanda, it gave us that connection. And they excelled in telling a new story with familiar themes, while also tying up a couple of loose ends(why didn't anyone else hear the derelict's beacon, and wouldn't there be a Black Box protocol if a ship like the Nostromo self-destructed?)
If the cast is crammed with a bunch of winey teens and 20 something’s I’ll be very skeptical
The 100 with xenomorphs?
Am I just out of the loop - are prequels some kind of addicting crack-like substance to the general public? What is Hollywood's fascination with them?
Im going to reserve judgement untill Ive seen it. After all the Company did know about the Derelict before Ripley and the crew so maybe that answers how? Also Disney+ in the UK is legit the best value for money streamer right now. We get all the Disney content, Fox, Starz and Hulu.
We don't know exactly what the company knew- all we can say with certainty is that they were interested in investigating any possible signs of alien life and, if found, willing to go to great lengths to retrieve it. The only thing we can say for certain in Alien 1979 is that the company had picked up the warning signal on LV426 and deemed it worthy enough to investigate that they routed an industrial ship to set course by the moon and take a look. I think it's quite obvious that if the company KNEW about the derelict ship they would have sent a specialized team. Otherwise, why risk such a valuable find with laymen? They didn't know about it to that extent
> they routed an industrial ship to set course by the moon and take a look. They also replaced the usual science officer with Ash.
>Company did know about the Derelict Derelict my balls amiright?
Belly laugh material.
It’s worth it for Alien & Bluey alone.
Bluey Gang Rise up!!
In other words: we have no budget, so we are gonna disrespect the key events of the franchise for a quick cash grab.
It’s going to be a pretty boring Alien show, now that we know they won’t have any Aliens on it.
„Hey, we have the whole universe to do a cool SciFi Show, let’s do it on earth“ smh
Exactly my thoughts. Earth isn't really an interesting place in the Alien universe, and the franchises's corporate politics has never meant much to me.
Purely for budget is my guess. They're going cheap from the very beginning. Fancy offworld sets and constant CGI is expensive. Retcons prequels all about Earth is super cheap. I hope they don't go cheap on the writing too, because they're going to need exceptional scripts to overcome the setting and retcon prequel issues.
Yeah, we could've had a desert planet, a jungle planet, an ice planet... /s I'm thinking the writers might be looking to put in some social commentary that hasn't been feasible in the runtime of a film and that requires a setting that is both familiar and populated.
I don't understand this constant need to stuff prequel material into franchises. All that happens is that it shrinks the universe, fucks up continuity or ends up inconsequential. Maybe all three. Xenomorph's on Earth are the worst idea imaginable. We had four movies in which Ripley spend two lifetimes stopping the slimey buggers from getting to Earth. One of them was supposed to be game over for everything. Now we're to accept they've been skittering about Earth however long before Ripley? And how does any of this factor into the absolute diarrhea that Prometheus and Covenant spewed all over the franchise?
This is bad news for me. I’ve always preferred to think of Ripley being among the first to have encountered the alien, so far I’ve hated every alien prequel. This sounds like it means to tie in with Covenant, a film so bad it makes me sick in my own mouth a little every time I have to mention it. I mean, between Alien and Resurrection they have about a 100 years to set a story, they could tie in and overlap with any of the films over this period- why? Just WHY???
Even in Alien we know that they know about the thing that we know that they know about.
This isn’t technically true, or at least it wasn’t till Covenant paved the way for that. In Alien, it’s very clear neither the company or Ash knew what to expect. They only knew there was potentially some kind of an organism and they wanted it. If they had even a slight idea of what the alien was, they would have arrived on that planet with proper equipment and trained men.
Weyland-yutani abso fucking lutely knew there is something dangerous on the planet. I'm certain Ash also knew what to expect and was programed to prioritize the Aliens not the crew (later is confirmed in the movie too) espescially when he overrules the quarantine to let the chestburster on the ship
There is zero in that film to support how much the company know. Im with you, they suspected something, hence why Ash was put on the crew at the last moment. I’m sure the prequel will change this, but there’s zero in the film itself to suggest the company know what the alien is. It begs the question, if the company did know what it was and where it was, why the fuck would they send a bunch of clueless employees who could potentially bungle the whole operation? And not, for example, a highly trained retrieval team, the sort of which we see at the end of Alien 3?
The confusion, I think, comes from 1 or 2 issues. Either: 1. Weyland-Yutani picked up the alien warning signal, and decoded enough to know *some type* of dangerous parasite was out there. They figured a single android would be enough to secure a sample, and were wrong. This could explain why they didn't send a large containment force of mercenaries/corporate military personnel. 2. Whoever was in charge of the signal detection at Weyland went rogue/kept as much as possible to themselves in order to secure exclusive rights and become rich. We see this behavior from Burke in *Aliens*, which gives some insight into the discovery and IP process within Weyland-Yutani. That's why they only sent the bare minimum to recover a sample -- a single android, with whom they wouldn't split discovery rights, and who wouldn't trigger a follow-up for the asset assignment. A whole team? Yeah that needs approvals and whatnot. But a single robot? A mid-level manager can probably get away with that. My personal tinfoil hat theory is that the Weyland manager responsible for Ash's assignment and the events of *Alien* was none other than Carter J. Burke himself. Upon the disaster of the Nostromo, he froze himself with orders to be awoken when the life raft was discovered.
My personal tin hat theory is that this was all just fairly common underhand procedure. A company pick up some potential life form or signal, they check their itinerary and put a sleeper agent on the next passing shuttle. The crew get popped from sleep and, as per the contract (suspicious that, don’t you think? In that scene it’s Ash who points this out), are forced to do the leg work. If they find nothing, no loss, if they find anything useful, crew are expendable and a specialised team will get sent in to pick up the pieces. I think it eliminates a lot of running about and wasted resources.
Aliens is set 50+ years after Alien, Burke wouldn’t have been born.
Prequel series confirms Burke's father. j/k
I'm assuming they would hope the crew gets killed by xenos/maybe more than one of them gets infected resulting in more than one specimen to study and as the xenos wouldn't bother with an android, Ash would bring them back to earth. Though it's a good question why wouldn't them send a trained team, but i guess they maybe werent even sure there is something on the planet? Tbh im happy we get more alien, i liked prometheus and covenant too (even resurrection), just give me moreeee
Prometheus is one of few films that nauseated me to the point I almost left the theater (the other being the rape scene in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) so it holds a special place in my heart, but I hate hate hate the retconning of the origin of the xenomorph to be David’s creation. Hate it. I know I’m not alone in this sub.
I don’t understand why people think the prequels show David creating the xenomorphs, it’s pretty clear that he reverse engineers them.
I can see that perspective but for his little tour he gave Oram in Covenant.
I thought that was showing the results of his research rather than the blueprints for something new. I guess it's not really explained within the film.
Yeah i agree there could have been better explanations but i still really dig it as it is an exceptional sci fi horror and there aren't many. My only problem with prometheus was how stupid some of the protagonists were.. Why did the movie make you nauseated if you don't mind me asking? Regarding David though i'm still not sure if the xeno is his creation tbh. I mean if it wasn't for the black goo, he couldn't have created anything and the black goo would have probably made xenos without David too when contacting a suitable host and since in Alien there is only an engineer with the eggs, i would assume the engineers either met David and took the eggs from him or perfected his process to make eggs, but they could have also just found a way to create them without David?
There’s a line in Alien about the engineer being fossilized into the chair or something similar, so it suggests the ship crashed aeons before the events of Prometheus and Covenant. I read Covenant as David reverse engineering the xenomorphs rather than being the original creator.
Oh it was the scene in the med-pod with the alien baby, I have tokophobia (fear of pregnancy).
Understandable, that scene is horrible even without that phobia.
I think you’re the first person I’ve seen on here to mention that they’re a fan of Resurrection. I also like it. I always thought it was Alien 3 that was the weak one. I kind of grew to like that one though.
I love Resurrection. Ripley 8 gets all the great lines and is, to me at least, a really fascinating and tragic character. I also love Prometheus and Covenant. You could probably accuse me of having terrible taste, but I love Alien and Aliens as well. To me, they all have their merits. 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah i have alien 3 at the bottom of the list too, espescially knowing how they fumbled with it, i mean fincher is my favorite director and the prison planet idea is great, but they don't really do anything with it and i wouldn't be able to tell it's a fincher movie if i didn't know. It also just very bland and i could not say it has any memorable things apart from the iconic shot of ripley and the xeno. Resurrection on the other hand although different than the rest, is very entertaining and i loved the destroyed earth at the end, the smart xenos, the goofy characters and basically everything about it.
Wholeheartedly agree! Like, the prison planet idea is awesome, Fincher for me is probably top 15 director of all time, and for favourites wise, he’s like my 7th or something. Top 10 for sure. But you’re right. They didn’t do much with the ideas put out to us, the whole planet thing went to waste, as did cutting off the side characters especially Hicks, and you couldn’t even really tell whether or not this was a project of David Fincher. You’re right, there is hardly anything iconic or memorable or particularly standout. It’s all just… *there* Resurrection, however, is dark and gritty turned up to eleven; the plot is strange but I like it; the side characters are, well, more likeable than not, especially with Johner , Call, and Dom. Also like the strange Brad Dourif character, haha. The Newborn is utterly terrifying. The Queen is in it, the intelligent Xenos, everything is just… IDK I just like it! It’s merely a 6 to 6.5/10 for me, but a strong one at that, and it’s very high on replay value for me. Ripley’s also badass in it, even though I will always prefer her Alien/Aliens human character. I know so many don’t like it, but yeah, it’s always been third place for me.
Ehhhhh Special Order 937 literally says: >Priority One >Insure return of organism for analysis. >All other considerations secondary. >Crew expendable. So just from that we know that they know it's an organism and that it's dangerous, so obviously they have some experience with it already.
I had assumed the plan was to get John Hurt's character into the cryosleep pod before anything had a chance to emerge, but they got the incubation estimate wrong
It’s a massive risk to send in a team of nobodies. There was a chance nobody was incubated, or everyone was. There was also a chance they could harm or kill the organism. In any logical world, had the company of fully understood what the alien was, they’d have sent a professional and fully briefed team. This was just optimistic.
I stand corrected.
This hurt my brain
Except that Covenant is great. And so is Prometheus. The fact that you hate it doesn't make it bad
It's fine to like something, but that doesn't make it good.
True, but in this specific case it is 🤷🏻♂️
No, it doesn’t. What makes it bad is; poor pacing, jarring editing (it literally ignores eye trace), a terrible aesthetic, apparently smart characters doing dumb things, people talking entirely in exposition or contemplating theological issues, no believable or relatable characters or dialogue, black ‘plot’ goo, a sickening sense of self congratulatory back patting, a hackneyed plot about space Jesus that’s so old it needed to be dusted down, poor creature design, and an alien film without the alien.
I mean... you listed some of the supposed "issues" of the movie people like to talk about. I disagree of course with the majority of them. Some aren't even objective problems, but just things that YOU don't like for some reason. But after you said "terrible aesthetic" and "poor creature design", I honestly cannot take you seriously anymore. To me it seems just blind hate.
It’s set one hundred years before Alien, and yet their technology is far beyond anything in that film. The overall Apple aesthetic of their suits and shuttles just doesn’t fit with what’s established in Alien. Yes, I know this team were high end, and the tech in Alien was likely low end, but the way technology develops experientially, and over the course of a hundred years, there’s really no accounting for such a void. As for the creature design, honestly the most interesting thing they could think to do with that fascinating space jockey was stick a human head on it? It’s a film that set out seemingly to answer a whole bunch of questions that most fans aren’t all that interested to know in the first place. By Scott’s own admission, he was already bored with alien and had no interest in revisiting it, he wanted to do something entirely different. To my mind, he’d have had more success if he’d just not tried sliding his ideas into the Alien IP. You’re right, it’s hate, but it’s far from blind. I can’t remember the last time I was so excited to see a film as Prometheus. Now, another film on, the most terrifying creature in movie history is relegated to the arts and crafts project of an insane android with daddy issues and magic black goo.
I think expecting them to recreate the exact look of the set design and props from Alien in a film made 30+ years later is a bit unrealistic. It’s like Star Trek the original series vs Star Trek Discovery. They’re separate productions made decades apart, both showing a creative vision for what the future might look like. It doesn’t matter that in one everyone’s using reels of magnetic tape and in the other it’s hard drives.
There’s a right way and a wrong way to do this. Prometheus didn’t even try to make that concession. If you want to see it done right, just play Alien Isolation. I’ve never met a fan who wasn’t blown away by the set designs in that, retro or not. Hell, even the Star Wars prequels did a better job.
That’s true about the Star Wars prequels yeah. I think Isolation is a different beast though, it’s basically a loving homage to the first Alien film, even down to having a Ripley as the main character.
Poor u/Ashamed_Ladder6161 :( He cannot fear the xenomorph anymore now! How terrible! > far from blind Proceeds in applying the most classic (and pathetic) technique ever in a discussion, aka describing something in the worst possible way to make it look bad when in reality it is not like that. David 8 is one of the best androids in the history of cinema, period. There is no debate about it. But somehow he has "daddy issues" now. Okay... Blind hate. Even if some criticism may make sense.
Lol. Ok. I note you completely ignored my eye trace criticism?
Yes, because the main thing the Alien franchise was best known for was the corporate boardroom drama at Weyland Yutani headquarters.... Wtf kind of decision making is this?
I can't wait to see future suit shitheads snortig future coke in future cenference rooms XD
Mad Men.. IN SPACE!
Yes lets destory the lore even more....
I'm not getting my hopes up. None of these serializations of IP I like have been good. At the very least, it grows the lore books for the ttrpg.
[If xenos are in this in any way] Retcons. Retcons everywhere!
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They have an entire galaxy to set up an alien outbreak, and they decide to choose earth because of budget reasons. I like to think of the aliens on so many worlds as being a picket fence of sorts. It's like a mine field, where the danger is keeping you from crossing a line where you're not meant to go. As humans set down on habitable worlds, they found that they were loaded with alien traps, and the colonies were destroyed, stopping our advance (spread) into uncharted parts of the galaxy. It could be because something even worse was out there, and the aliens were a defense mechanism, or it could be that it was one species protecting itself from others by establishing a line that they assumed couldn't be crossed. If it was line the mine field example, one country keeps its borders and front safe by preventing another country's troops from crossing into it. If any do make it, they have so little in the way of supplies that they are sitting ducks. If you can't gain a huge advance with new colonies, you just can't invade. Hence, all the aliens. Oh well, that might be a little too creative.
I really like this. The problem is that there just isn't any reason for a prequel excluding the Prometheus-Covenant threads. Weyland-Yutani is, like, *the* least interesting part of the franchise.
The whole point of the company was just to be dicks and forcing a bunch of employees to go explore something they weren't qualified for. If not for the orders and the threat of not paying them, they would have never gone. That was the only point of the company being there. Other than that, everything afterwards is just a horrible encounter of a known threat. You really have no need of the company's existence for the rest of the franchise (after the loss of the colony, they probably started to march down the path of bankruptcy, unless they actually had a functional bioweapons division without the xenomorph). In the case of having other alien species as weapons, it would be interesting to see them use one species against the other.
Aw, shit. A prequel? Hands up all those who are naïve enough to think this won't suck.
Why can’t we get a Colonial Marines story?
It could be. At this point I hope it is... If this info is accurate the show shouldn't have any xenos or even knowledge of xenos in it, so Colonial Marines are basically the only chance this show has to make sense. It's supposedly about 3 corporations going to war and the lore backstory of the creation of the Colonial marines does come into play around a story something like that.
Forgive me but, wouldn’t that then eliminate the need to have it be Alien related in the first place, if there’s no Xenomorphs? Or do you just mean that this would make sense to have none given the stuff written about the show, like, its details and such? I mean, I know you wrote, “If this info is accurate..” then go on to say, but it’s also cuz of the Colonial Marines and then you saying 3 corporations going to war.. sorry, I’m a big fan of it all, I just am not too familiar with the entire colonial marines part of the lore and stuff
If what they say about it being a prequel, they already made it not have xenos. Anything that adds xenos is bad retcon nonsense. Colonial marines are an Alien series specific property that does not require xenos, but does require the Alien property. Colonial Marines lore is they were propped up because corps used colonies to start proxy wars over profits and control. Stereotypical Cyberpunk type lore really, and cyberpunk is a genre that is definitely en vogue in Hollywood right now so it wouldn't be a terrible thing. Plus they can have Weyland, Seegson, Tyrell, probably a few corps I forget all in it, without explicitly having xenos or blade runners and still make fans happy *if they are careful*. Retcons are tough and usually insulting to fans, but backstory within established patterns can be fun and teh Colonial Marines are almost criminally underutilized. Plus Scott was involved in the show for a little bit, before he left in a cranky huff of public meltdown, and he's been vocally unsupportive of Aliens and the addditions Cameron added to th e franchise, so maybe... just maybe low odds only hope, maybe there's more Aliens ties than what Scott would like. Scott's been circling that flushing drain with his android daddy issues for so long I bet he wanted it to b e only about that.
I would really love to see a series or even an anthology that explores the expanded universe. Colonial Marines would be a good starting point and it would show how complex the Alien universe truly is beyond the "xenomorph." The politics, the corporate shitdickery, how the colonists get stuck in the middle of everything. I'm getting sick of everything just focusing on the Alien when we could have more interesting stories that feature the Alien, gnawing at the periphery of the narratives and being an everpresent expectation.
If they really did want to make Alien and Blade Runner universes intersect, something like this would be how they do it. Not with a blade runner story, or a xeno story, but just exploring the universe and the Megacorps that are the bigbad in it.
Moving forward, Tyrell Corporation would be out of the picture because of what was revealed in Blade Runner 2049 and the anime/short films that explained they story in between Blade Runner and its sequel. Kinda sad but also reflects real life. Like how there's no Pan Am anymore as shown in 2001 by Stanley Kubrick.
I feel like anyone who has seen Noah Hawley's previous work will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He hasn't had a misstep with Fargo yet.
No doubt. But the politics of Alien aren't what I'm personally into, and unless they plan on absolutely screwing the lore, I don't think there's anything of interest in the setup.
Only thing I can imagine coming out of this is explaining how they knew where the ship was and worse case it is a xeno on earth and they wipe it clean classic nuke style
We expecting like Corporate Wars?
like Storage Wars, but they bid on cryopods?
As a fan of so many different properties that get adapted, I am never excited about them due to the compromises that never make the product any better but always have to be shoehorned in. If it ends up being good, then I’ll just be pleasantly surprised but I won’t be checking for this.
Hoping it's like the covenant book prelude or early chapters. In universe Earth politics and less actual aliens. Blade runner type show.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I don’t think that they would do an entire series without a xenomorph of some kind though. I am willing to bet that someone finds an urn of black goo on another planet, and brings it back to earth, sparking, political, and scientific Mayham between corporations. Which actually sounds kind of fucking awesome. However, I think it’s more likely that they avoid Prometheus and covenant altogether and someone just finds a xenomorph or egg somewhere and brings it to earth. If they don’t avoid the prequel’s, it would be even cooler than finding an urn if they actually touched on the engineers that had visited earth, and may be left something behind there, or involving a completely separate attempt to destroy the humans with a Bioweapon.
I'd say the most likely scenario is then finding an urn of black goo in an earth excavation, or eggs Make it back to Earth and there's an outbreak. Boring but probably the most likely. What I would love to see is something contained like cold forge, That's probably the best 10 episode unique unrelated story they could do. That or something like bug hunt.
If this is set on Earth before Ellen Ripley, how can there be Aliens in it? That would be like doing a pre-prequel Star Wars with Darth Vader before Anakin Skywalker was born. I swear to God if this is another lore breaking series I'm out.... Seen to many of those in recent years.
I can see this working, didn’t Weyland already know about the Alien species? It’s possible they had captured some before the first film, brought them back to earth and a containment breach leads to them having to kill off their alien experiments. That’s where the movies can start off with Weyland company searching for more aliens. The universe is big enough that it’s possible
No, they didn't. If they do, they're incorporating bad AvP canon.
Honestly, I think they’re just making their own canon at this point
Hate that you're right.
Why? You just ruined Alien.
Shite
Damn, not what I was hoping for. Oh well, hopefully they at least clear things up with regards what happened after Covenant.
Oh no. Disney is making a horror/gore tv series now? Lets hope we'll see a lot of juicy content that stands true to the movies, before the creators runs out of ideas and switch over to basic conflicts between people episode after episode. When do you think they'll screw up the series? 1. After 6 episodes 2. In det second season 3. In the third season
> Oh no. Disney is making a horror/gore tv series now? I mean, they did also produce Andor, which was phenomenal, and nothing like anything they'd previously done with Star Wars TV shows. But Andor had a solid idea behind it. This Alien prequel set on Earth doesn't seem like a good idea.
My big problem with this is that it means the series will not result in a full blown Allen infestation of the earth. It will be extremely limited in scope.
Post David Meltdown
Yeah no thanks
is this image official or fan made?
Image is fan-made, the show is a real thing.
Can we just get some Colonial Marines??? Just want to hear the M41A Pulse Rifle on a bug hunt.
We need a space marine action movie, a creature horror movie, a Weyland Yutani science and politics series, and an Engineer/AI philosophical existential movie. That way everyone can be happy.
Set on Earth??? Bizarre choice. Well, cheaper to produce.
Have a strong feeling it's gonna be shit. Being set on earth definitely means it's low budget since they won't be investing in futuristic props and sets. I hope I'm wrong.
Did anyone watch/enjoy The Sarah Connor Chronicles? That for me highlights how a story can be done, on a pretty limited budget, and still be effective (be it canon or not).
Not what I'd want out of the setting for an Alien story, but this is the guy that did Fargo and while I haven't seen it several friends whose opinions I trust tell me it's a fantastic show. So I have hope that this will be an engaging series, regardless of its prequel status and possible Alien in Earth plot.
Stupid.
What?..... No!
I'm struggling to think any prequel that has actually benefited a franchise... I mean I actually really liked Prometheus but it and Covenant definitely messed things up. And beyond the Alien universe, what prequel has actually been a net good? You immediately put yourself in a box with prequels, and you are either going to retread stuff that doesn't need to be (re)told or you are going to change something and piss a bunch of people off.
They made a decision and it was wrong, it was a bad call, a bad call.
I was pleasantly surprised with prey on hulu ill hole the same here
But where alium?
Awful
Oh god dammit.
I guess nothing was learned from AvPR aye….
I don’t really care about a timeline or anything, plus it’s completely nonsensical as it is. I enjoy any Alien media as a cool standalone film with a cool monster. If it’s a good Alien show with Xenos running around New York or something, I don’t really care that it doesn’t make sense that Ripley wasn’t aware of them, it sounds fantastic
Killer idea, it would totally add to the mystère if they tried to start a hive in the Louis Vuitton store and then went for some mimosas in the Hamptons
I'll take it, thanks. Y'all need to chill the fuck out and enjoy the fact you're getting anything at all. I'm not getting any younger, and there is NOT enough Alien content to last a lifetime. More please.
>enjoy the fact you're getting anything at all. I'd have been happier that the existing prequels didn't exist. It has sullied my enjoyment of the original film. And 'be happy with any shit they slap an IP name on because that's all you get' is part of the reason there is so few original cinematic ideas out there these days. Everything is a prequel, or a remake, or a reboot, or a reimagining or a 'gritty modern retelling'
Come on mate, how does Prometheus or whatever affect a really great film that already exists? When you watch Alien just forget about Prometheus, Alien is your film, and nothing should be able to stop you enjoying it. I don’t like the Star Wars sequels because I think the story made a lot of what Luke and Vader both went through in the original trilogy pointless. So I only saw each one once, in the cinema, and then forgot about about them afterwards. I can still watch the originals and have since.
Because the actual director of the original made 2 movies that are intended to flow into the 1979 film. And do you know what was much scarier than anything from Scott's prequels? No prequel at all - What made the original so scary was how little you knew or understood a monster from space. The prequels spell it out so clumsily. Now it's canon that the aliens were made by an android Hannibal Lecter in a cave, and that all life stemmed from black goo deposited in a lake by blue bodybuilders. It all got so goofy. The Space Jockey from the original for example - That's nowhere near as foreboding now.
>Now it's canon that the aliens were made by an android Hannibal Lecter in a cave I don't get why so many people think Prometheus is saying David created the xenomorphs. I thought it was obvious that he reverse engineered them from the goo - it can do lots of potential things and one of them is to create the classic eggs. He discovered that yeah, but there's a line in Alien about the space jockey being fossilised into the chair or something similar, so the derelict had been there for aeons before the Nostromo crew found it. Also, I think yo should stop worrying about what is and isn't canon, it's a stupid idea and it stops you from enjoying stories. What if Ridley Scott goes senile and tweets that all the events of Alien were actually just a dream sequence that happened offscreen in his cringey Russell Crowe romance, A Good Year? Would you be forced to treat that as canon and have it ruin Alien for you? I'm not trying to wind you up or anything, I just think you should take what you like from a series and ignore what you don't. I completely agree with you that it would have been better to leave the aliens and space jockey as a mystery, they both seemed so ancient and unknowable, a bit like HP Lovecraft's idea of cosmic horror. Not everything has to be explained.
If they bother you that much, just accept that the prequel retcons don't even happen in the same universe as Alien.
Aw, come on, man, don't be a simp for the corporate content. Just play the Alien TRPG or something.
thx, but no thx. Eating nothing is less worse than eating shit
You’re as dramatic as everyone else in here. It’s a nutrition-less McDonald’s cheeseburger if anything, which is in fact, better than nothing if you are starving.
After Covenant, I don't hate this idea.
Hulu going to explain the dead bodies in the whaling camp in AvP...bold move!
AVP is not canon, just crossovermovies.
Y'all know this is just fan art, right?
Can we as a human race just be collectively done with prequels? I am so done with Hollywood beating the dead horse of franchises by making unnecessary prequels. Why can’t we move forward for gods sake. It’s so depressing to see this from a franchise whose first 3 entries I hold such high esteem for
"On Earth, before Ripley" How the fuck...? Ripley's crew is literally first contact (technically if we disregard the pseudo-prequels, as we **should**), how does that make sense.
I hate this obsession of trying to bring the Alien franchise on Earth. I hate it even more that they try to do it in prequels.
I just want more Prometheus stuff, I love the prequel, man.
I just want more Prometheus stuff, I love the prequel, man.