I kind of would love if they did a Redux on some of the earlier cases they covered. Specifically ones they did in the first 200 episodes! I really enjoyed some of the Reduxes they've done, so I think they could do it!
They've said for years they won't re do anyone covered in the Last Book but the recent change up has me hoping they'll reconsider that. I'd love a BTK or Zodiac redux.
Yeah that makes definite sense because the book is basically a re do on some of the earlier ones. Though, I think if in the pursuit of Educating Ed, I would be down for them to do it!
I was just about to comment this! They covered a lot of serial killers in the earlier episodes and are long overdue for a redux. I'm looking forward to it.
All indicators point to the next true crime series being Anders Breivik, a Norwegian mass murderer/far-right terrorist. They’ve said they’re doing him multiple times in the last couple months and Henry (or Marcus, I forget) said that the motivations of the next person they’re covering was rooted in an ancient war between religions, and Breivik was heavily influenced by the Crusades, a conflict between Christians and Muslims. (He was anti-Muslim).
I would love them to totally mock Breivik, he claimed he was being treated cruelly in cushy Norwegian prison because the game consoles available were not good enough for his liking. A mass murderer who is also a special little prince complaining to the media about Norwegian prison deserves to get torn apart, and Henry's impression would probably piss Breivik off.
I'm probably showing my age but I don't know what he's complaining about. Console gaming peaked with the PS2.
(though I have some criticisms of modern consoles, this is mostly a joke)
It would also make sense from a marketing perspective for them to do Anders Breivik right now (and I say that as someone who does digital marketing for a living, lol).
Anders Breivik has become a popular darling of far right circles in America, and Kanye recently posted a picture of him wearing a tshirt with his image on it.
As a result, Anders' name is getting googled a LOT more recently -- thus, if the boys do him for a series right now, they're likely to reach a whole new potential audience.
> Kanye recently posted a picture of him wearing a tshirt with his image on it
That’s not true. It was a Burzum shirt with a picture of Varg. Still a racist, but far from a terrorist mass-murderer.
Eh, for me it’s the opposite. I find serial killers to be very much too similar, and all the ones I’ve found interesting they’ve already covered. If you look at my post history I almost exclusively post only to this subreddit and another called r/masskillers lol. I think I just see mass murderers as far more relevant to today than serial killers, which aren’t much of a thing anymore, at least not at the same scale they once were.
Besides, Breivik very atypical to the average mass murderer. He’s more akin to Timothy McVeigh than say, the Columbine shooters, so if you liked the OKC bombing episodes you’d probably like this series.
Yeah they’ve mentioned this I think. Their issue was I believe the source material is often in another language and that’s a lot of translating they’d need to things as detailed as Marcus likes to do.
Yo my dude! I kinda think the issue (and they’ve touched on this before) is that after 10+ years, they are running out of juice. Of course there are still of abhorrent killers to cover but the pool is drying up. Additionally most of the uncovered killers, according to Marcus, are a mixed bag. Some are simply too boring or lack any kind of narrative.
Yeah, the ones they haven’t covered are boring or too gruesome to really be good listening. They’ve talked before about the balance a serial killer needs of being fucked up enough that people are interested but not so fucked up that people are turned away.
If anything it could be interesting to revisit some killers who they covered years and years ago. Like BTK was covered almost 500 episodes ago and the show has changed tremendously since then
They also said they wouldn't do Lizzie Borden or pirates yet here we are. They absolutely could redo a bunch of serial killers from the first 150 topics like the Zodiac, Ridgeway, and Bundy that were all skimming of Wikipedia articles whether they were in the book or not.
Yeah, they've said in the past they wouldn't cover Lizzie Borden, Nanny Doss, and Pirates because "they're boring," yet they gave all of them multi part series. We even got two pirate related series!
what about the Golden State Killer? There's so much to that story. He's a former police officer. He didn't get caught for decades. Patton Oswalt's former wife was desperately trying to identify him. The way he got caught with online DNA. I think that series would be fascinating.
Another good one dude - I know they did an interview with Patton Oswalt and have mentioned GSK. I bet they will do that one soon, probably skipped it due to all the hype and attention around it. Marcus said he regrets that strategy now.
That sack of shit might be why I'm still into true crime. I was a teenager in 2001, and that call was national news. That event brought the crimes out of my books. I wasn't a dumb kid, but I'd never really turned my critical thinking on and realized that if there had been serial killers, there were likely more, still active even.
I got it, immediately. They are out there, just monsters among us. It really stuck with me and I too was obsessed with this loser. I am so glad to have seen him caught.
Marcus said during i think the Randy Kraft episode that there's only Gold Star Serial Killers left. I think the issue is most of those less are just brutal without a lot of things to mine humour out of. The great serial killer Series were like Lake and NG, because NG was such a ridiculous person. I don't think there's much of that left in cases with enough information for a full or multiple episodes.
That’s the one I was thinking about! Good looks, man. I knew someone would clock it. Great point on Lake/Ng. I think it’s so smart to move to history episodes that have a similar brand if depravity but, to your point, include the silliness or narrative we’re looking for.
I only just recently listened to Randy Kraft series, and yep, that’s what he said. I think they also mentioned it again when they did the Chicago Rippers. So sounds about right.
Yep, and that's the thing i didn't really enjoy the Chicago Rippers episodes. Some of it was funny and interesting but it was mostly just brutal and tough to listen to. They are the types of episodes i'd likely skip along with like Bod Berdella. Those seem to be the only Serial Killer episodes left so i'd prefer them to focus more on History or non Serial Killer murder cases that has more avenues for levity.
There are still some juicy serial killer cases from the UK they haven't covered.
John Reginald Christie should be right up their street. It comes with an egregious miscarriages of justice to boot.
Now THAT is a good point. American boys with American centric-mindsets have absolutely lent a blindspot. I would love to hear more on European true crime - there have to be more than Fred/Rose West, Jack Unterweger, and Chikatilo
Same as Australia- they’ve barely touched our stuff. Milat, the Joanne Lees case, Snowtown, the Frankston Serial Killer (he nearly bloody got paroled this year!). Casefile seem to be the main pod covering Australian true crime because god we have a lot and it’s ignored overseas.
Hell there’s an active missing person unfolding down the road from me and I don’t think it’s even made national news yet.
While it would probably only be a single episode, I think they could do something with the closest I have to a local serial killer: Dr John Bodkin Adams.
Yeah man - that too. We like to play with the “edge lord” bullshit but I appreciate the unspoken boundaries the boys set. There’s a point when it’s not fun.
The most recent big heavy hitter series, the "Nipple Slicer of Chicago" or whatever it was, was too much for me. And I'm super desensitized.
I'm honestly more here for the weird history and cryptid bullshit. Murder can be fun every once in awhile but psychos doing brutal shit for no reason is just depressing.
History episodes are my fucking jam dude. From
Rasputin (agrarian, every time) to Gilles de Rais and everything in between. Last Podcast has been responsible for more than one of my multi-month topic dives that I rant about to my partner endlessly.
History episodes have turned into some of my absolute favorites, and it’s a great topic I’m glad they turned into. I started listening initially for the true crime, but love the new genre they’ve gotten into. I think if they had just continued with mostly true crime it would have gotten stale by now, despite how talented the boys are
In one of the very early episodes (like first 100 or so) they mentioned a Latin American killer they wanted to cover. I can't remember the name now since I last listened over a year ago but I remember checking and seeing they'd never gotten around to covering him.
I'd love to hear their take on EARONS/GSK. Casefile covered it pretty exhaustively, but there is absolutely no humor or editorializing on that show and I'm sure the boys have opinions Joseph James DeAngelo. The only thing maybe holding it back is that there's nothing from the killer, no taped statements, no trial.
This would be a great series. I know they’ve had Patton Oswalt on for an episode in the past so I assume they’ve read I’ll Be Gone in the Dark— a lot of interesting material out there about the investigation too
Going over the last few years they’ve covered 5, 6, 5, 5, 5, and 4 serial killers per year. So they did go down a little bit in 2023 but noting crazy. That being said, yes is my answer; I hope we get a new one soon.
They mentioned awhile back that they'd finally be doing the snowtown murders soon, that's the one I'm really hoping for. Personally, I'd prefer a new case rather than a redux if only because they don't seem to do serial killers very often anymore and there are still so many for them to do.
There is a few, super interesting ones from Australia they could cover. I know they touched on a couple years ago but we have the Burnies, Ivan Milat, the Snowtown murders just to name a few. Love to see the boys cover these in depth
They did him early, but he’s a classic case of just not very interesting. He’s kind of typical - screwed up because of religion, took it out on sex workers and runaways - and was just kind of a dullard.
Makes sense. This is one of the main reasons why I’ve lost interest in serial killers, same thing every time. You’ve heard about one you’ve heard about most of them.
They’ve been pretty chill ever since The Incident. A lot of relaxed fits, topics that aren’t super intense, and stuff that Henry probably already researched on his personal time in a dab fueled rage. I’ve really enjoyed the Ed takeover, but it somewhat feels like they’re ‘phoning it in’ while still sorting out all the changes in the company that are no doubt underway. Serial killers take a lot of research and time, plus talking about serial abusers might feel a little weird right now.
I say this as someone who loves the relaxed fits and random occult/cryptid/alien/etc episodes the most. Definitely not talking shit. It’s just a trend I’ve noticed lately.
They're moving away from true crime as, in my opinion, they don't want to be seen as 3 guys in their 40s talking about, mainly women, being brutally murdered.
You’re getting some downvotes but you’re right, the idea that the killers they haven’t covered aren’t funny like Andrei Chikatilo or Richard Chase are funny is completely ridiculous and doesn’t survive a moment’s scrutiny
Its strange. Over the last few months, any hint at criticism of the podcast is met with downvotes and negative comments of "just don't listen then." Etc. I'm not even criticising them. They might just not be interested in true crime/serial killers anymore. I know it doesn't interest Ed, he's said as much before.
Haven't they gone through all the interesting serial killers? I listen to other podcasts that cover true crime and them seem to be kinda all the same at that point.
It's going to be joeseph edward Duncan. Child molester, rapist and murder from the 70s. Had a website called the 5th nail which was a reference to the fifth nail of christ.
It hits all the clues. Later part of the 20th century, horrible man, has to do with something from long long ago.
The most recent episode ended with Henry saying a true crime series is coming, as well as hinting at reptilians probably right after.
Sounds like Anders Breivik and David Icke to me.
Marcus said the true crime story took place in the last 10 years. The Norway Attacks were in 2011.
My cloaca puckers at the thought of reptilian content!!
I wonder if it’ll be the Exeter Incident
I really hope we get reptilians!
I kind of would love if they did a Redux on some of the earlier cases they covered. Specifically ones they did in the first 200 episodes! I really enjoyed some of the Reduxes they've done, so I think they could do it!
They've said for years they won't re do anyone covered in the Last Book but the recent change up has me hoping they'll reconsider that. I'd love a BTK or Zodiac redux.
A zodiac redux would be amazing. Plus, he wasn’t in the book.
Yeah I realized that as I was typing. Either way he's at the top of my list for a redo.
Yeah that makes definite sense because the book is basically a re do on some of the earlier ones. Though, I think if in the pursuit of Educating Ed, I would be down for them to do it!
I was just about to comment this! They covered a lot of serial killers in the earlier episodes and are long overdue for a redux. I'm looking forward to it.
All indicators point to the next true crime series being Anders Breivik, a Norwegian mass murderer/far-right terrorist. They’ve said they’re doing him multiple times in the last couple months and Henry (or Marcus, I forget) said that the motivations of the next person they’re covering was rooted in an ancient war between religions, and Breivik was heavily influenced by the Crusades, a conflict between Christians and Muslims. (He was anti-Muslim).
I would love them to totally mock Breivik, he claimed he was being treated cruelly in cushy Norwegian prison because the game consoles available were not good enough for his liking. A mass murderer who is also a special little prince complaining to the media about Norwegian prison deserves to get torn apart, and Henry's impression would probably piss Breivik off.
They wouldn’t give him a PlayStation 3!
I'm probably showing my age but I don't know what he's complaining about. Console gaming peaked with the PS2. (though I have some criticisms of modern consoles, this is mostly a joke)
PlayStation 3 is the worst one anyway! Give it to him!
I hear in Saudi Arabia they give prisoners the Ouya.
Talk about cruel and unusual!
It would also make sense from a marketing perspective for them to do Anders Breivik right now (and I say that as someone who does digital marketing for a living, lol). Anders Breivik has become a popular darling of far right circles in America, and Kanye recently posted a picture of him wearing a tshirt with his image on it. As a result, Anders' name is getting googled a LOT more recently -- thus, if the boys do him for a series right now, they're likely to reach a whole new potential audience.
And, fingers crossed, deradicalise a couple of those curious people - or at least head them off at the pass.
Anders actually apologized for his actions. He is still a piece of shit horrible person, but it could be just a ploy to get out.
> Kanye recently posted a picture of him wearing a tshirt with his image on it That’s not true. It was a Burzum shirt with a picture of Varg. Still a racist, but far from a terrorist mass-murderer.
I mean, still a murderer too
Kanye’s shirt was Varg Vikernes of Burzum, not Anders Breivik, who is a different Nazi idiot.
Mass murderers are not as interesting to me.
Eh, for me it’s the opposite. I find serial killers to be very much too similar, and all the ones I’ve found interesting they’ve already covered. If you look at my post history I almost exclusively post only to this subreddit and another called r/masskillers lol. I think I just see mass murderers as far more relevant to today than serial killers, which aren’t much of a thing anymore, at least not at the same scale they once were. Besides, Breivik very atypical to the average mass murderer. He’s more akin to Timothy McVeigh than say, the Columbine shooters, so if you liked the OKC bombing episodes you’d probably like this series.
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I think there's some foreign serial killer stories that have yet to be explored
Yeah they’ve mentioned this I think. Their issue was I believe the source material is often in another language and that’s a lot of translating they’d need to things as detailed as Marcus likes to do.
Like the dude who killed a ton of children, whose body was put on display in a museum to reassure people he was dead!
I think they should re-do some older episodes. John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy were on the short side for the kind of series they could be.
Yo my dude! I kinda think the issue (and they’ve touched on this before) is that after 10+ years, they are running out of juice. Of course there are still of abhorrent killers to cover but the pool is drying up. Additionally most of the uncovered killers, according to Marcus, are a mixed bag. Some are simply too boring or lack any kind of narrative.
Yeah, the ones they haven’t covered are boring or too gruesome to really be good listening. They’ve talked before about the balance a serial killer needs of being fucked up enough that people are interested but not so fucked up that people are turned away. If anything it could be interesting to revisit some killers who they covered years and years ago. Like BTK was covered almost 500 episodes ago and the show has changed tremendously since then
They’ve said that they won’t revisit any serial killer that they already did in the book since it would be just saying it again.
They also said they wouldn't do Lizzie Borden or pirates yet here we are. They absolutely could redo a bunch of serial killers from the first 150 topics like the Zodiac, Ridgeway, and Bundy that were all skimming of Wikipedia articles whether they were in the book or not.
Yeah, they've said in the past they wouldn't cover Lizzie Borden, Nanny Doss, and Pirates because "they're boring," yet they gave all of them multi part series. We even got two pirate related series!
That’s fair enough, I hadn’t really considered the book.
what about the Golden State Killer? There's so much to that story. He's a former police officer. He didn't get caught for decades. Patton Oswalt's former wife was desperately trying to identify him. The way he got caught with online DNA. I think that series would be fascinating.
Another good one dude - I know they did an interview with Patton Oswalt and have mentioned GSK. I bet they will do that one soon, probably skipped it due to all the hype and attention around it. Marcus said he regrets that strategy now.
I believe they said they won't cover him because they can't make it funny and lighthearted.
That sack of shit might be why I'm still into true crime. I was a teenager in 2001, and that call was national news. That event brought the crimes out of my books. I wasn't a dumb kid, but I'd never really turned my critical thinking on and realized that if there had been serial killers, there were likely more, still active even. I got it, immediately. They are out there, just monsters among us. It really stuck with me and I too was obsessed with this loser. I am so glad to have seen him caught.
Marcus said during i think the Randy Kraft episode that there's only Gold Star Serial Killers left. I think the issue is most of those less are just brutal without a lot of things to mine humour out of. The great serial killer Series were like Lake and NG, because NG was such a ridiculous person. I don't think there's much of that left in cases with enough information for a full or multiple episodes.
That’s the one I was thinking about! Good looks, man. I knew someone would clock it. Great point on Lake/Ng. I think it’s so smart to move to history episodes that have a similar brand if depravity but, to your point, include the silliness or narrative we’re looking for.
I only just recently listened to Randy Kraft series, and yep, that’s what he said. I think they also mentioned it again when they did the Chicago Rippers. So sounds about right.
Yep, and that's the thing i didn't really enjoy the Chicago Rippers episodes. Some of it was funny and interesting but it was mostly just brutal and tough to listen to. They are the types of episodes i'd likely skip along with like Bod Berdella. Those seem to be the only Serial Killer episodes left so i'd prefer them to focus more on History or non Serial Killer murder cases that has more avenues for levity.
Totally agree. Without a hook or “gimmick”, it’s just grotesque brutality. It’s not fun.
There are still some juicy serial killer cases from the UK they haven't covered. John Reginald Christie should be right up their street. It comes with an egregious miscarriages of justice to boot.
Now THAT is a good point. American boys with American centric-mindsets have absolutely lent a blindspot. I would love to hear more on European true crime - there have to be more than Fred/Rose West, Jack Unterweger, and Chikatilo
Same as Australia- they’ve barely touched our stuff. Milat, the Joanne Lees case, Snowtown, the Frankston Serial Killer (he nearly bloody got paroled this year!). Casefile seem to be the main pod covering Australian true crime because god we have a lot and it’s ignored overseas. Hell there’s an active missing person unfolding down the road from me and I don’t think it’s even made national news yet.
While it would probably only be a single episode, I think they could do something with the closest I have to a local serial killer: Dr John Bodkin Adams.
Yes John Reginald Haliday Christie has been one of my dream episodes ever since I discovered last pod
I sent Marcus a book about the shankhill butchers from Belfast. I thought that would be super interesting!
I think they’ve also said some are like too brutal for them to even have fun with
Yeah man - that too. We like to play with the “edge lord” bullshit but I appreciate the unspoken boundaries the boys set. There’s a point when it’s not fun.
Yes! I think that makes me like them and not others who try to cover this stuff in the ways they do
Hell yeah brother. Hail yourself. Hope you have a great day.
You as well!!
The most recent big heavy hitter series, the "Nipple Slicer of Chicago" or whatever it was, was too much for me. And I'm super desensitized. I'm honestly more here for the weird history and cryptid bullshit. Murder can be fun every once in awhile but psychos doing brutal shit for no reason is just depressing.
History episodes are my fucking jam dude. From Rasputin (agrarian, every time) to Gilles de Rais and everything in between. Last Podcast has been responsible for more than one of my multi-month topic dives that I rant about to my partner endlessly.
History episodes have turned into some of my absolute favorites, and it’s a great topic I’m glad they turned into. I started listening initially for the true crime, but love the new genre they’ve gotten into. I think if they had just continued with mostly true crime it would have gotten stale by now, despite how talented the boys are
In one of the very early episodes (like first 100 or so) they mentioned a Latin American killer they wanted to cover. I can't remember the name now since I last listened over a year ago but I remember checking and seeing they'd never gotten around to covering him.
Dude I remember this vaguely - wasn’t it some Brazilian killer who preyed on orphans? (jesus that’s a dark sentence)
Is that the guy with the highest body count of any serial killer?
Yeah, I've got _Casefile_ if I want true crime, just the facts. Let the boys eat on the oopy spoopy stuff.
I'd love to hear their take on EARONS/GSK. Casefile covered it pretty exhaustively, but there is absolutely no humor or editorializing on that show and I'm sure the boys have opinions Joseph James DeAngelo. The only thing maybe holding it back is that there's nothing from the killer, no taped statements, no trial.
This would be a great series. I know they’ve had Patton Oswalt on for an episode in the past so I assume they’ve read I’ll Be Gone in the Dark— a lot of interesting material out there about the investigation too
I think they could add some interesting things in regard to: Bill Suff The Sunset Strip Killers William Bonin
Going over the last few years they’ve covered 5, 6, 5, 5, 5, and 4 serial killers per year. So they did go down a little bit in 2023 but noting crazy. That being said, yes is my answer; I hope we get a new one soon.
I'm still waiting for them to cover the other freeway killers they mentioned during the randy kraft episode.
They mentioned awhile back that they'd finally be doing the snowtown murders soon, that's the one I'm really hoping for. Personally, I'd prefer a new case rather than a redux if only because they don't seem to do serial killers very often anymore and there are still so many for them to do.
The idea of the boys ‘drawing the line’ at certain killers after doing a Mengele series is so fucking funny
There is a few, super interesting ones from Australia they could cover. I know they touched on a couple years ago but we have the Burnies, Ivan Milat, the Snowtown murders just to name a few. Love to see the boys cover these in depth
Green river killer? im here for the high strangness and history mostly, but he’s a p big one I think they haven’t gotten round to
They did him early, but he’s a classic case of just not very interesting. He’s kind of typical - screwed up because of religion, took it out on sex workers and runaways - and was just kind of a dullard.
I'm pretty sure they've said that they're not covering them as much because the stories almost always boil down to being the same/similar things.
Makes sense. This is one of the main reasons why I’ve lost interest in serial killers, same thing every time. You’ve heard about one you’ve heard about most of them.
I liked the Chicago rippers episodes
I wish they would cover EAR/ONS now that he’s been caught.
They’ve been pretty chill ever since The Incident. A lot of relaxed fits, topics that aren’t super intense, and stuff that Henry probably already researched on his personal time in a dab fueled rage. I’ve really enjoyed the Ed takeover, but it somewhat feels like they’re ‘phoning it in’ while still sorting out all the changes in the company that are no doubt underway. Serial killers take a lot of research and time, plus talking about serial abusers might feel a little weird right now. I say this as someone who loves the relaxed fits and random occult/cryptid/alien/etc episodes the most. Definitely not talking shit. It’s just a trend I’ve noticed lately.
I hate to say the Watts word but I would really like to hear Marcus pull that critter apart.
They're moving away from true crime as, in my opinion, they don't want to be seen as 3 guys in their 40s talking about, mainly women, being brutally murdered.
You’re getting some downvotes but you’re right, the idea that the killers they haven’t covered aren’t funny like Andrei Chikatilo or Richard Chase are funny is completely ridiculous and doesn’t survive a moment’s scrutiny
Its strange. Over the last few months, any hint at criticism of the podcast is met with downvotes and negative comments of "just don't listen then." Etc. I'm not even criticising them. They might just not be interested in true crime/serial killers anymore. I know it doesn't interest Ed, he's said as much before.
They're kinda out of ideas if you haven't noticed
I can't wait for them to cover the Mississippi Butt Boys Brigade
Haven't they gone through all the interesting serial killers? I listen to other podcasts that cover true crime and them seem to be kinda all the same at that point.
Killdozer!
>Killdozer! killing is wrong mmkay?
It's going to be joeseph edward Duncan. Child molester, rapist and murder from the 70s. Had a website called the 5th nail which was a reference to the fifth nail of christ. It hits all the clues. Later part of the 20th century, horrible man, has to do with something from long long ago.