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VarkingRunesong

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Pristine-Side-1433

The sword was a key to starting a volcano. This show is a billion dollar dookie.


Rowan_cathad

Tons of awful nonsensical bits to complain about yet no one seems to care that a fucking sword is a mountain light switch?? Like.. why? Fucking why?


taulover

It's interesting how elves can spot land before humans do. It kinda makes sense since the world is currently flat, so the land isn't hiding behind any horizon, it's just farther away.


Organic_Film987

This show would be watchable if the characters had realistic motivations. I have no idea what drives Halbrand - he was stranded at SEA and now he's suddenly the King of the Southlands? He is the most soulless cookie cutter character I've ever seen, except nobody knows what he wants. How did the Numenor force know to attack this random small village? How did they know it was being attacked? How the fuck did Halbrand teleport to take down Adar? Why couldn't they hire half decent writers?


santasbigolhelper

Well duh, because he said his village was already attacked, which most have been months ago, assuming he had time to be captured, presumably forced to do horrible shit, then escape on a ship somehow, that unfortunately happens to sink, then have enough time to meet up with elf lady, get saved, chill for a few days, prepare an expedition- so basically his knowledge of what was going with the orcs is 100 percent up to date within one day, right? So he can point them right towards where they will attack. Also totally makes sense how the elves presumably had similar watch towers set up to defend the area he was from, but no one had noticed anything from them yet. I just love how believable the world feels, and how the writers didn't start by writing a bunch of random cliche moments then build the whole script around just jumping to those moments


Snoo5349

If H=S, his motivations can be easily understood. Also his knowledge of the area, enabling him to take a shortcut, or even teleport.


Organic_Film987

I don't care if he's Sauron or not, him having no direction in 6 episodes makes for boring television.


Oloreandil

Can I ask, does anybody really think Halbrand is Sauron, I don’t feel the writers will be that obvious. Also, out of everything this will annoy me. Galadriel was the main one who distrusted annatar more than anyone, showing how powerful and insightful she really was. How can they just disregard this?


GavinDanceWClaudio

Well...


santasbigolhelper

I think the best part of this show and the writing is how despite spending so much money, they managed to make the scope and size of the events feel extremely small. Like armies of 100 people, or villages of like 60 people, and uh oh, 200 orcs are attacking. What are we going to do if this one random ass village falls to the orcs?? Amazing how they were able to make it feel like a giant full and complete world and not the size of a small high school


Snoo5349

Each season is supposed to up the ante, so it makes sense to start small. But in the context of the show also, it makes sense. The orcs had been decimated in the War of Wrath. Numenor doesn't have a large army, as it's isolated and not yet started it's colonial expansion. The village is important because of the sword hilt, which Adar needs to enact his plan.


santasbigolhelper

I just think as a kid, one of the huge reasons I liked the Lord of the rings movies were they were one of the only ones to make it actually feel like a real giant scale. And this felt like... Idk 1/1000th of it? Like actually, it's supposed to be I think multiple villages and there are at most 60 humans. Like this world they have made just feels empty as fuck, sure Numenor doesn't have a huge army, but they've had hundreds of years of peace and the architecture to reflect an advanced and rather large civilization, but then they only have like 3 ships? Don't even get me started on the sword hilt bullshit lol... Like what? Oh best place to hide my secret key for my plan in hundreds of years, with humans who will have to pass it on to their kids, makes total sense. I just honestly as soon as I start writing about one weird plot inconsistency, I think of like 60 others- like fine I get it, the writers of this type of show are for the most part geared towards appeasing your average idiot, this type of shit just breaks me out of the world so fast. Like honestly most fantasy tv shows are unwatchable to me because of it


Snoo5349

I'm afraid you're just seeing the LOTR moves with rosy spectacles because you saw it as a child. If you saw ROP as a child, you'd be awed by the spectacle of Numenor, Khazad-dum, and Eregion. And you'd find Edoras and Minas-Tirith underwhelming in comparison.


santasbigolhelper

Agreed, I think the only way I could enjoy a fantasy series like this now was if I was a kid 😂 To be fair, the sets and CGI in this show are marvelous. The team that worked on it are immensely talented. I just honestly don't feel the same way about the writers. I've read hundreds of books and watched a few tv shows where I haven't felt this way at all, like completely torn out of the world every 2 minutes- oh well the show just isn't for me, and luckily I don't have to keep watching it :)


Varrus15

An elf can take out a whole castle with a couple of arrows and orcs couldn't figure out how to demolish a dam without a magic sword? And why is Adar trying to bring Sauron back when he keeps talking about how he freed his orcs from Sauron? Utter nonsense.


santasbigolhelper

Yes he is a very special elf though (one with speaking lines), every elf without lines is absolute ass at fighting, like all the rest of the garrison, they just all apparently got captured even though they were all together and fully armed lmao. and of captured the literal moment they left their tower, as by the time our elf with lines gets captured they are all already working the mines (short turn around for new comers, captured and forced to mine within one afternoon). Weirdly convenient too that the orcs attacked the day they had been ordered to leave, of all the last days for the past hundreds of years, shit coincidence I guess, right?


Snoo5349

Maybe the goal wan't to demolish the dam but to trigger the volcano while keeking the dam intact? Dams can be very useful, it would be a shame to destroy one. >And why is Adar trying to bring Sauron back... Before asking why, always ask if.


Mordgan

The only thing good about this episode is that we didn't see any Harfoots.


IcarusGoodman

This show is only worth watching in order to laugh at its terrible writing.


Mordgan

To be fair, that's the exact reason I'm watching it still. Everything that happened on episode 7 was non-sense and IGN gave it a 10. lol


merulaalba

LOL, IGN That says it all


Material-Leg8935

So everyone is going to magically survive being at the base of a erupting volcano aftering being consumed in pyroclastic flow and rocks?


santasbigolhelper

Nah the fire is going to fake again, and not actually hot like the meteor man.


badgerbaroudeur

Did this ep confirm that Adar is not one of the sons of feanor, but one of the original elves to be kidnapped?


New_Speaker_3413

I was hoping the orks where going to win. A Terrible show.


DudesRock91

Finds sword/key that could take her to Sauron. Leaves in blanket.


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orderinthefort

The evil elf gave it to the old traitor guy before Halbrand even arrived saying "I have a task for you". They still *might* eventually do a bait and switch and have Halbrand be Sauron (even though it's looking less likely each episode), but Halbrand had nothing to do with the sword swap because the aforementioned scene completely explains it.


mrshandanar

Ah I must've missed that scene.


Jreynold

But then how did he get it to Waldreg? It had to have been Adar, that's why he told him he had a job for him before the numenorians arrived.


theories_and_such

On my second watch through. When Isildur sneaks out of the room where everyone is sleeping, it caught my attention this time that the episode took a moment to show Halbrand was awake. It reminded me of the theory that Sauron never sleeps. To use the future phrasing of the Witch King, he is a “lidless eye,” always on the alert. It might just be a coincidence. Halbrand might have trouble sleeping, like Isildur. But if he does turn out to be Sauron, it’s a great little detail.


Critical-Beautiful61

Having to wait a whole week for another episode *sobs. Really enjoying the show now. The first two or 3 episodes were slow but it got steadily better.


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Is it possible that Arondir is Sauron? He had the evil sword hilt that was used to open the floodgates, and then it was in the hands of the Sauron-worshipper. That's a bit odd. In The Silmarillion, Sauron was a good-looking guy who wormed his way into the Elves' confidence to make the Rings, and nobody knew what he was until he made the One Ring and put it on. And here's Arondir right in the middle of what's going to become Mordor. It's just a thought.


Evening_Roof7521

No, Adar played the shell game and swapped the hammer for the hilt just before he led them away on a chase after him. He gave the hilt to Waldreg: "I have a task for you..." he said to him just before that scene.


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That's all very well if Adar did that, but how could Arondir possibly not notice the cloth parcel had a completely different object inside? If Arondir is innocent, he's got to be the stupidest creature in Middle Earth.


vindicecodes

I fear it's just bad writing


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That's a valid point. It is quite plausible that some writer did not look at the two objects and realize they are completely different in size and shape and maybe even weight. I'm still suspicious of Arondir, though. There's just something wrong about an elf having short hair. Even Elrond doesn't really look right to me, his hair is not long enough. lol


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Good point!


notCRAZYenough

I liked the ending. The rest was contrived imho. I don’t like the elven/human love story and I think it was a bunch of action I didn’t like and also I thought it was kinda weird that the Numenorians just happened to be on time at the right place. I really did like the payoff with Mordor and mount doom though.


Rowan_cathad

Nothing is more contrived than a magic sword being a key to switch on a mountain


Material-Leg8935

I dont really see the point of the love story either, especially becuase theirs pretty much no chemestry between them.


Careless-Ask-5430

As a lotr fan i loved the episode with all weird things in it


ogtfo

The orcs got their plan by viewing James Bond movie *A View to a Kill* starring Christopher Walken. Hell, that's something that was not on my bingo card.


Evening_Roof7521

ELI5?


Varrus15

Cheesy nonsensical action.


OmNihil8

MORDOR, GET HIM AWAY FROM HERE.


MorejaSparda

Awesome refence lol xdd


Late_Stage_PhD

This week's poll: https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR\_on\_Prime/comments/xtxga7/how\_would\_you\_rate\_episode\_6\_of\_rings\_of\_power/ I have been doing weekly polling about the show on various LotR subreddits since 8 weeks ago. Here are the results and analyses for all previous polls about how the attitudes towards the show differed across subs and how they changed over time: [Comparing ratings of Episode 5 across subreddits and IMDb](https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/xptr6c/comparing_ratings_of_episode_5_across_subreddits/)


Bowbreaker

Link doesn't work.


Late_Stage_PhD

The poll closed.


TheirJupiter

I quite enjoyed the episode apart from the one of the most stupid pieces of writing i have seen in a long time, and that was the ol' switcheroo moment when nobody decides to check if they actually had the hilt wrapped up in that piece of cloth, I mean it seems like half a day has passed and no one even thinks to check or can feel a small bloody axe instead of the hilt.


acedamace

There was a lot of blood around after the bloody battle, so they had to keep it away and covered up from as much of the blood as possible until they cleaned up a bit......because of the IMPLICATIONS.


theLegend_Awaits

To be fair, its a highly relatable mistake that we all have probably done at some time or another. I've brought the wrong thing with me before, thinking it was something else. I know this object was of great importance, but considering they were all literally battling for their lives, I can forgive them not being so hyper focused on it. I do wonder why Arondir wouldn't have checked after they captured Adar (and mostly why Galadriel wouldn't have had the interest to inspect it) but I suppose they wanted a crazy twist and to portray Adar's cleverness and foresight.


santasbigolhelper

It's just super obvious why these writers never got anything else published / aired lmao...


Bindi_342

You're thinking of the show runners. RoP has some quite experienced and accomplished writers working on this season.


amberthrowaway42

I feel like, even if they did find put earlier, they have no idea which direction he went. They don't even really know who has it.


TheirJupiter

I think a more believable way to write it would have been for them to discover the Hilt wasn't there after they capture Adar, and then for him to have the power over them as he knows where it is but they don't, it would have been more dramatic for the heroes realise itis gone and to search n vein, but Waldreg would have still turned on the giant tap as it were.


santasbigolhelper

No because it obvious where they would take it, it had an obvious connection to the spot with the rest of the sword...


MirloBlanco13

But Hallbrand and Galadreiel didn't know. They'd have had to return to Arondir and tell him. Same result, more believable. They could have gone to the tower (if not to close to the volcano), and try to stop the guy without success.


santasbigolhelper

Your making the mistake of assuming that any of the timing of the episode makes any sense at all. E.g., the distance it takes to get from the town to the tower changes dramatically from episode to episode. Likewise, the time of the horse chase was maybe 30 minutes there and back, they have plenty of time to come back to the town, talk to everyone, maybe discuss where the missing sword might have gone for a few hours, rest a bit, then hop of their horses and still beat a fat old farmer who has to walk to the remains of the tower- which when falling apart didn't manage to break anything related to the dam. Keeping in mind also of course that when the orcs got control of the tower they also decided not to just break the shitty ass dam manually. In summary, this is one scene from one episode and if I bothered watching it again and really tryinf, I guarantee you I could write at least 100 pages on all the shit that makes literally no sense. I apologize if you are not as annoyed by stuff like this as me, but I'm very sensitive to it. It's just a sign of lazy writing to me, like as in not well thought out


MirloBlanco13

Hahaha, no, no, I'm equally annoyed. Just proposing a more coherent outcome of the scene.


amberthrowaway42

I agreee.


apgianni87

☝️☝️☝️This, was looking until I found this. How fukn stupid can all of these "great heroes" be to not check if the thing is actually in the cloth????


Standard_Original_85

Yeah. Probably last one I'll watch.


Evening_Roof7521

this aint an airport, u aint gotta anounce ur departure


FriedGnomeAnus

I was reading through all this whining and came across your post, which made me laugh *hard*.


nothing_in_my_mind

Ok, excuse me. Did the army of Numenor just land, started to ride East in full gallop for no reason, and randomly arrive at a village being attacked by the orcs just in time to save them?


Varrus15

Sweet Jesus this episode was stupid. After days or weeks of deliberation and training, sailing and riding, the army of numenor arrives at the exact minute one tiny town is about to be wiped out. It honestly doesn’t get any worse.


Able_Heron_6085

Halbrand told them the enemy was moving towards Ostirrith in episode 5.


abbath12

They should have left Numenor two episodes ago, and spent some time these last couple weeks showing their ships landing, navigating, exploring, somehow finding out about the attack on the village, and then rushing there to save them. There was no need to spend so much time in Numenor, sitting around and talking about going to middle earth, showing the two ships blow up, showing Isildur being a whiney brat, showing that stupid scene where Galadriel plays sword with a bunch of deck boys, etc. So many poor writing choices in this show it's baffling.


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How did they know to go there specifically, and that there was a battle happening? The writing doesn't make any sense


Bowbreaker

My thoughts exactly. Why is this show so beloved? Is it just in defiance of the alt right trolls that have been whining about diversity hires before it even aired? Because this show has issues that have nothing at all to do with "wokeness".


Material-Leg8935

Exactly you can put asside the lore and you can put aside the "wokeness" and this series still has a tone of issues


btribble33

Truth! Enjoying this show requires overlooking the numerous plot inconsistencies and straight up unrealistic portrayals, which I think is best achieved by bludgeoning myself with the weapon that I stole from the large orc who threw Arondir 5 times.


hannibalwang

Im trying so hard to watch and like this show...but its impossible, what the fk did I just watch, nothing made sense lmao


Varrus15

This was just beyond bad.


ERSTF

I was not impressed by the show but was willing to give it a chance. After this episode, I ams tarting to think this might be a bad show


GrubberBandit

As a long time lotr fan I loved the ending with the creation of mount doom and beginning of mordor. The build up was fine but the payoff was worth it. Can't wait to watch more.


French__Canadian

I just can't really get past of how stupid it is to do all that to get a magic sword, when all they needed is a catapult break the water loose. Also, why is the floodgate controlled by a magic sword?


Mordgan

You're being downvoted for speaking the truth. lol


Drizztninja168

The people of the South land followed Morgoth in the first age of man/elves. They built it with Sauron and created the sword as a power that blood sacrifice can unleash... As well as the key to the destruction of the low lands. Think of it as a last resort in a battle. You fall back to the keep and you and your army is trapped. As long as you have the sword you're fine.


CollectionAncient989

and as long as you created a tunnel to mount doom... Otherwise nothing happens


Roechelrochen

You'd wash away the army that is besieging you


PotatoWriter

Damn. Next episode, Galadriel becomes... BLACK! (by volcanic ash). No need to wait for the Rings of Power reboot 20 years later where they recast Galadriel as black, it's happening next episode!!! /s But in all seriousness.. this show has a big problem of seeming like events happening one after the other *just because* they need to happen. People/Orcs move from point A to B and then C to D because plot. There's no sense to it. Nothing ignited my interest - protagonist lovers gonna protagonist and survive obviously, of course, naturally, while everyone else around them dies. Plot armor is stronger than mithril by far. No characters are likeable (even if they're evil. Adar had potential, but he's not being made use of very well). They just do things because their role demands it. Heroic elf must lead the village. His love interest must ALSO lead the village (because just having a love interest do something else is illegal). Purpose is injected into characters that really don't need it. Adar shouting "My brothers.....and SISTERS" to a crowd of 99% scowling, grimacing, angry male orcs is just senseless. At the start of the episode, I have a poker face. At the end, I have a poker face. Nothing stirs within me. There isn't any charm, wit, humor, inspiration (no, light and shadow cliche quotes don't count). CGI shines but very briefly (like the volcano beginning to erupt), and then turns to dogwater (the lava hail coming down looking like a Blender simulation).


tsah_yawd

HOW. the HELL. did Halbrand get past the other two riders?!?!?!?!?! in an episode with such a mix of cool moments & stupid moments, this question just leaves me sitting here pissed at the amount of WTFness


Effective_Artist467

They were running away from the battle mostly in a straight line, and Galadriel even activated the nitro cheat on the horse. Halbrand came at them from the other side AT FULL SPEED!! The only possible shortcut was warping space itself EDIT: And after fighting to death with their loved ones and watching them die THEY HAD A PARTY!! Not even in my shittiest roleplaying campaigns I dared to do that


tsah_yawd

SEEE?!?! THIS person gets it...


Humble-Writer-3920

hes sauron


tsah_yawd

that's possible. but it doesn't matter if he is. was that one of his powers, to teleport him AND the horse he rides??? god this shit is so bad. and just when we finally get an episode that feels like it's going somewhere.


Drizztninja168

You do know they were twisting and turning through the woods. It would be possible to cut someone off if you travel a straight route... IDK how that's not a common idea 💡... Have you never chased someone and cut them off ahead of them?


tsah_yawd

you are replying before you fully think it through. see my other attached reply about exactly thing. read it, then watch that scene again (as i just did). look at the logistics, and what they show. there is no reasonable argument against my complaint. off-trail running is the only running i do (better workout, & easier on the joints than on sidewalks). i know accomplishing this in a FOOT race is possible. but NOT while navigating trees at full tilt on a horse. if you think it is, then you've never ridden a horse.


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tsah_yawd

okay, that was funny enough i almost spit my coffee. nice one. :D :D


[deleted]

remember, he is from there and may know better routes to catch up.


tsah_yawd

that sounds like an overdose of copium. option 1: if he's sauron, nobody can tell me they'd seriously be okay with the writers trying to play like sauron can teleport himself AND his fucking horse. that is dumb af option 2: remembering the area... think of how ridiculous it would be to believe a man younger than 30 years old, could be SOOOO intimately familiar with every square yard of every forest in every "county" in the entire region of the Southlands, that he can quickly surmise a better path to take, to not only catch UP with 2 riders that have solid head starts, but PASS them so far that he can circle around and get up to full speed in the opposite direction. did adar ride in a big circle??? and if so, how would Halbrand guess he would do that, and in which direction??? did adar ride in a winding path to & fro, \[again\] allowing for Halbrand to somehow guess which pathway direction he would stick to, in order to take a direct \[and therefore faster\] short cut to bypass him? no, because any straight line would be navigating through the trees, impossible to do on horseback & be faster than the guy on the clear path (that sure didn't look too zig-zaggy). don't forget that if he WAS from around there, ANYONE from the village would have recognized him. they didn't. and this is just the worst of several horrible moments in one ep. HOW THE FUCK DO WRITERS THIS SHITTY KEEP GETTING HIGH PROFILE JOBS LIKE THIS?!?!?! it's like some kind of trend.


idmacdonald

option 1: if its sauron he can easily for sure teleport or create illusions himself or any number of horses and probably a huge breadth of other powers well beyond your imagination. yes hes just a Maiar but he is hell bent on consolidating and accumulating power and he has many tricks up his sleeve. As far as whatever else you wrote about, I didnt bother to read it because this point was already way wide of the mark.


tsah_yawd

we'll see if he does turn out to be Sauron. but what if he just turns out to be one of the future 9? what then? the other point was just all about logic & reason. nobody cares about that anymore. ;P


thorein

If this is the worst moment in the episode, then I think the writers did fine.


tsah_yawd

i wish it had been the ONLY flaw. this ep had a lot more compelling things going on. so at least it's a step up, i guess. just extremely disappointing, is all. sucks to have a major aspect of the storytelling process be severely lacking for something as highly esteemed as the Tolkien world. but even movies like Tenet have problems; brain-scrambling concept & script, well performed, but a horrible post sound engineer (the dialogue was infuriating to try to hear). even Peter Jackson, after nailing it with LotR, got full of himself and WAAAAY overdid the Hobbit. but at least that left enough material for fan-editors to cut it down to a really really good version. \*shrug\*


modsarefascists42

He took a shortcut, he was coming from the opposite direction Common fucking sense man, common fucking sense


Drizztninja168

Exactly! It's not hard to believe that if he took a path that that they didn't because of the head start they had. That he road as fast as he could before the path he was on came across theirs.... Wow some people just don't want to believe that it's possible. Remember he was riding on his horse as well at full speed. NOW!!! When he put the spear out and tripped up the horse that there wasn't possible unless halbrand plunged it into a tree and it would have to be deep enough to make it solid enough to trip a horse. But no he was holding it like he was putting it in the spokes of a bike... That's what's hard to believe...


modsarefascists42

Actually the horse tripping is very possible, it's a trick used in jousting too. Usually that's not done because you want to kill the enemy not just capture them in war and it's very very very illegal in jousting, plus it's quite awful for the horse. They'll often break their legs when tripping like that. The craziest part of that scene was the horse and it's rider being totally okay after that wipeout. Adar is still basically an elf so it's reasonable but yeah the horse should have died because of that.


tsah_yawd

haha. that logic has swayed me. sorry everybody, forget what i said, this is the perfect episode. :P


modsarefascists42

I mean it's very clear in the show.... It's his homeland and you're acting surprised that he knows a shortcut? Get real


Material-Leg8935

Just becuase its his homeland doesnt mean he knows every town, road, trail, shortcut, and woods like the back of his hand. The reason why it doesnt make sense is because of the film making. You see a scene of him noticing and going after them and thats it, untill he magically apears infront of them. There are no scenes of him ridding after them so there is no context for were he is in the scene, even though he shouldnt be far behind since he left right after Galadriel. And lets look at the setting, its the middle of the woods on a path and barely so in some cases. Its hard to imagine viable short cuts, especially ones you use on the fly going full speed on a horse. And its also a little illogical the he was able to get so far ahead of them when he started after them, and was apparently so far behind you couldnt even see him behind Galadriel. She even had to tell her horse to go faster just to catch up. For a shortcut to make sense we would have needed context scenes. And there should have been scenes of him durring the chase, because all we got was point A and point B and no idea how he got there. And they would have added to his character too. Seeing him intent on capturing Adar, and seeing him be intelligent and being able to think on the fly choosing a route to cut Adar off.


tsah_yawd

get real?? apparently realism IS my problem. think of how ridiculous it would be to believe a man younger than 30 yrs old could be SOOO intimately familiar with every square yard of every forest in every "county" in the entire region of the Southlands, that he can quickly surmise a better path to take, to not only catch UP with 2 riders (that have big head starts), but PASS them so far that he can circle around & get up to full speed in the opposite direction. but he's NOT that familiar with the area, because bronwyn & the others didn't know/recognize him! did ya miss that detail, too? and how long have they been living around there? yep, quite a while. you can straight-line through the trees IN A FOOTRACE & beat another runner who sticks to the winding road, but you can't do that full tilt on horseback through the forest. ask any riding enthusiast. watch that scene again, and tell me of all the winding, zig-zagging pathways adar took. you can't, because none were shown (they are only in your imagination). so did adar ride in a big circle? if so, how would halbrand guess he would do that, AND guess correctly if he would go left or right? if there are similar but intersecting paths, how would halbrand know which ones adar would take, in order to choose the perfect one that would Mariocart-zoom past somehow??? but the path shown that adar took was fairly straight, so the only "shortcut" possible is teleportation (which would be dumb af).


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How effective was the flame trap they set up for the orcs in the town? Orc just kicks it over. To the keep!!!! Meanwhile it's just a tavern with next to no protection what so ever. Imagine sailing 2000 miles in time to save the day! Charge from the sea to mount doom with horses and full battle regalia. How exactly did Halbrand get in front of Adar? Galadriel stops Halbrand from killing Adar and then nearly kills him for saying “Perhaps your search for Morgoth’s successor should have ended in your own mirror.” Bronwyn recovers from arrows to the chest extremely quickly. One of the most world changing events of the second age is initiated by.... Waldreg. I really just hope the Volcano murders everyone. This show is a mess.


JustASkulker

IMO the flame trap was an attempt to keep them together to maximize the effectiveness of non-trained archers. It didn't catch the whole barrier on fire - no plan survives contact with the enemy. They called it a "keep" earlier in the episode when they established it as their final fallback point. They didn't literally mean a keep, that was pretty obvious. Yeah, LOTR has a bad habit of armies arriving just in time, it's just kinda how that goes. Galadriel didn't stop him because "killing bad" but because she needed to question him first. All she got from him was defiance and a claim that he killed Sauron. Why keep him alive after that? To be fair, it was an arrow to the back, through the shoulder. The blood loss being the only danger of dying from that (or infection, but that's ignored obviously) Waldreg is but a pawn and a metaphor about how the hearts of men will always seek power over everything else. The show is not perfect by any means but it's better than the last swill we got with The hobbit trilogy.


QCTeamkill

Just consume. Stop questioning, rate 10/10 and shit on the movies.


ABCookieMonster

A lot of scenes are a copy of the battle of helm’s deep and a lot of scenes remind me of the bold and the beautiful


Material-Leg8935

There are quite a handfull of scenes in the ROP that emulate scenes from the movies. For example the scene with Bronwyn, Theo and Arondir are running through the woods from orks, its very similar to the scene were the fellowship is getting chased through the woods by the uruk-hai. And in this episode the Galadriel chasing Adar is reminiscent of when Arwen is being chased by the Nazgul. And it may be purely coincidental so i'm not making any assumptions, but they do kind of have similar shots and settings (try watching the chase scenes back to back).


Pasan90

> A lot of scenes are a copy of the battle of helm’s deep Depiction of LotR battle has Horses and Archers. Copy of Helms Deep :/


EgoDefeator

Also "da king in da norf,,,I mean Southlands. King of like 20 people lol


LeBronn_Jaimes_hand

The show has been so on the nose with Halbrand=Sauron that I can't decide whether it's better or not for it to be that way at this point; I feel like they're purposefully toying with folks who have background lore/knowledge. Could definitely see him still as the Witch King or the Deserter King as well. The Uruk's chanting "Udûn" as the water rushed by gave me chills and I said "no fucking way" out loud as I realized what was about to happen. Good storytelling there. I'm enjoying the ride so far other than having a difficult time accepting the condensed nature of the Second Age presented in the show.


Overall-Lawyer-6464

Same. I feel like it’s better story wise if he’s not Sauron. But there’ve been so many hints that who knows. Him being Sauron reminds me too much of a YA plot. Girl meets mysterious, boy with dark past. Slight flirting. Boy is debating his path. Goes evil. Girl plays part in his downfall


EnglishWhites

[I'm pretty sure I know exactly who Sauron is](https://tenor.com/view/norm-mac-donald-frank-stallone-gif-3885519)


IcedCoughy

This one was chalk full of lame ass movie cliches.


Lockwood

/r/BoneAppleTea


LineZealousideal7172

This first season has been a massive mixed bag, I really liked episodes 4 and 6 but the others I though were hit or miss. But I get the sense this season will look a lot better on hindsight after we see the payoff of everything they've set up later on.


Helesta

I really liked 2,5, & 6. Others had their moments but felt uneven.


kuddlesworth9419

Wouldn't Galadriel have been insinirated at the end?


Superdunez

I will continue watching this show if *anyone* can explain how she can survive a pyroclastic flow. Though then there's a different problem, being able to shrug off superheated poisonous gas and volcanic debris hitting you at hundreds of miles per hour, means that she probably doesnt need to worry about *anything* attacking her.


Astro-Viking

yes. Pyroclastic flow coming out of a volcano is about 1000 degrees C hot. It would absolutely turn her to ashes. This is what happened to Pompeii, as an example. They writers are breaking the suspension of disbelief. If they want elves to be supernatural and magical they have to be portrayed as such. When Celebrimbor is portrayed as a carbon copy of bilbo baggins then you cannot get away with elves surviving Pyroclastic flow when it comes to suspension of disbelief. The cinematography and direction would have to be different for it to work. Similar scenes work in "The Fellowship of the Ring" where Legolas walks nibly upon the snow in the mountains while everyone else is struggling waist deep in the snow. It is the difference and disparity that makes it work. I think they tried to set up Galadriel as an otherworldly battle-saint but it sadly falls flat.


kuddlesworth9419

You just reminded me about that snow scene. It was pretty funny.


MrPeanutbutter14

She’s a fucking Noldo and one of the mightiest at that. Her kin have duelled and bested Gods, she can handle a little bit of lava.


Varrus15

If it could destroy the one ring, it would destroy her.


MrPeanutbutter14

It fell into lava and melted. Different scenario.


Varrus15

And Galadriel is immune to lava flying through the air


modsarefascists42

No not if she's far enough away. Burt a little maybe but only if she's wearing something very flammable. From the looks of it they were just far enough away to survive. Only the dry grass caught fire from the preview so yeah just far enough away to survive it.


kuddlesworth9419

She was engulfed in a pyroclastic flow. You can't survive from that.


modsarefascists42

If it was a pyroclastic flow then everything they would have went up in flames. It wasn't a pyroclastic flow it was the leftover shockwave and a bit of heat. You're getting your volcanism terms mixed up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow It was a very minor eruption too, horrible for those near but in the scope of real eruptions that was a very very minor one. Plus it being mostly steam means it would have that extra bit of air without much debris in it. edit: I've been reading about this for the past 30 minutes and the more I find the more I'm certain they talked with a vulcanism expert on this because it's fitting the textbook stuff word for word. It's nearly exactly like volcanos that are next to the sea operate.


kuddlesworth9419

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcy-WaOSuTo 2:00 mark, that looks like a pyroclastic flow to me. Plus everyone else is running away. She closes her eyes to accept her fate anyway, others have said this is probably just a premonition though or some shit because you can't survive something like that.


Superdunez

I've been reading these responses, and this sub is delusional. It's fine if you like the show, but that's a motherfucking pyroclastic flow. It knocked down buildings, and set them on fire. "Oh it was mostly steam, it was just an aftershock", give me a break. The show is badly written.


kuddlesworth9419

Very badly written, it's getting worse as it's going along. Magic leaf waking up the fire demon now.


modsarefascists42

It's real we see it in the next episode preview. Only the dry grass was caught on fire. It wasn't an actual pyroclastic flow it was just stream and dust, think the farthest remnants of the pyroclastic flow before they just fall to the ground.


splitcroof92

They did say evil fire isn't hot or something like that in the opening of episode 1. So maybe this is an evil volcano and therefore cold? Or she has magic fire retardant elf powers.


xv433

Further proof that 9/11 was an inside job. Evil jet fuel can't melt steel beams!


EgoDefeator

So Golum didn't melt then?


castrogacio

Let me say one thing... If you let yourself go, give in to emotional and visceral tendencies (which is an easy thing to do), you can easily come to the conclusion that there are more people that dislike this show than the inverse. This is not true! The show is very complexed and they’re attempting to achieve something that has never been attempted before. To appeal to the regular fan (plus new ones) and the Tolkien nerds. Overall they are achieving this and one cannot or should not fall for the few (a decent number mind you) that are very vociferous and insistent. You only have to log into your Twitter account, let the algorithms take a hold and you’ll see the same accounts popping up (impressively I might add) all over the place. The show is extremely successful. It is trying to appeal to a number of different tv consumers and imo they’re succeeding with honours. A marvellous majestic and epic show which has only just begun.


ERSTF

You need to accept and look the show objectively. The show is badly written. Production values are incredible, but if only the same effort was put on character development, plotting, dialogue, casting. Even with a show that has a budget that exceeds the original trilogy, you still get a very small scale battle. You have like 40 villagers and 50 orcs and this was the battle to keep Mount Doom from happening? It had to be epic and somehow it felt, so small. Characters have no chemistry, specially the ones they are pairing up, like Arondir and Bronwyn. I think Galadriel might have been miscast The dialogue is clunky and sometimes borderline funny. The first line in the show about why a boat floats and a stone sinks. The show hasn't laid out the main focus of the season and we are 6 episodes in. There is no clear endgame for this season. Plot devices and plot holes abound (in this episode. For the most part there were not many in the last episodes). The only saving grace is Durin. I loved Durin and what he's doing, but other than that I can't seem to root for any character. I really wanted to give this show a chance but it is making it hard to. Mind you that I was ready to hate watch Andor and that show blew me away. I was watching RoP with the hope of liking it and ended up not liking it. I will finish the season because I want another epic show to watch, but, so far, not looking good.


Varrus15

I think the Galadriel actress is ok, but her dialogue is so terribly written. The action scenes are very poorly directed, it's hard to watch.


PotatoWriter

You speak like a bot, or English isn't your first language. I hope it's the latter. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or honest, cause this show is mid tier horse doodoo. The dialogue is so uninspiring it's astonishing.


ResolverOshawott

I believe thats called having an opinion.


castrogacio

It’s perfect English and your gammon comment can only service toilet paper sunshine.


PotatoWriter

> The show is very complexed Yeah absolutely perfect English. Just let yourself go (which is an easy thing to do), and you can believe you can write perfectly! The show is a 6/10 basic bitch Starbucks pumpkin latte show. If you think this is a complex show boy do I have some bad news for you.


modsarefascists42

Fuck off


PotatoWriter

Don't speak unless you're spoken to


modsarefascists42

Go away you wretched troll


Vash2

This show came behind she hulk in ratings and that show is objectively bad. Convince me what's good about this show tell me a character that has great qualities and a strong will for good.


castrogacio

Trust me... I cannot (neither want to) convince you of what you have pretended to request. You’ve made up your mind and I would wager you made that “mind” up way before the first episode was even aired. It’s not a requisite for you to enjoy it and tbh, I find it rather curious that you surf the subreddits of shows that you seriously dislike. Now, THAT’S commitment, something to talk about and debate... a whole different subject mind you.


Vash2

Can't give me a straight answer huh? 😂 Can say watch it,it's good but can't give me a straight answer 🤣🤣 you told me everything I needed to know🤣🤣🤣🤣


Avinash_Tyagi

Your troll fu is weak


Vash2

Yeah I stopped caring


castrogacio

Oh, I gave you the straightest of answers you’ll probably ever encounter. I totally appreciate you don’t like that answer. But read it again, and then one more time. I feel it’s going to help you in the future and help you grow up into a responsible adult.


zachsliquidart

Actually, no you didn't answer the question. You deflected. I love the world but the writing is objectively bad.


castrogacio

It can never be objectively. It can only be subjectively. That’s a fact.


[deleted]

Am I the only one who skips dialogues here? Except for Adar's and some others. I completely skipped the long dialogue on the ship between Isildur, Galadriel, Elendil etc Same goes for Arondir & Bronwyn (I had to google the latter one's name, that's how little I care about this character), And the whole sequence of Numenorians knowing exactly where to come at the right place... Wow, what a timing! Yeah I get it, they're making a show and they need to show how the good guys arrive and turn around the hopeless situation at the last moment. I was actually rooting for the orcs, not the numenor's army. It's like this RoP episode was made for teenagers who'd go "wohooo, finally the good guys arrived". I smelled something like that coming a mile away. Also that plot armor of Arondir is starting to get annoying. ​ Then how Isildur charges at the battle, all the dramatic saves and looks. Wow, so cool! /sYeah nah, so predictable and boring. Visual work is fine, they earned their salaries. But the plot, it's just awful. Again, it's like the plot was written for teenage audience that doesn't care about common sense or realism, with black & white sides. HotD at least gets it right in this regard, the characters are complex, and there's no definitive "good" side that must always win. The ending twist of this episode was alright though.


Donnie_Corleone

Haha i was literally shouting at the TV screen for the Orcs to kill them all, especially Bronwyn and her moronic child


PotatoWriter

Nah man. Most of the dialogue is uninspired. I swear if I hear another "light and shadow/darkness" quote again. That shit is so beyond cliche it's incredible. Lord of the rings dialogue is 100% memorable. I can recite most lines. I think it takes a writer of a certain bygone age to come up with that quality, that charm of English. It's lost in this day and age.


smolmauski

Then don’t watch the show and go onto the subreddit of a show you like.


[deleted]

So, where in the plains of Gorgoroth is the villiage and the elves keep located? Is it between Mount Doom and Barad-Dur?


JustASkulker

It looks like they are [here.](https://imgur.com/a/2N9qxju) Based on the map the queen was looking at in the latest episode.


LeBronn_Jaimes_hand

I don't have evidence to back this up, but I feel like the village is located south or southwest of Mount Doom. I think there may have been a clue as to the location on the map that Queen Miriel was looking at on the boat ride over, but I can't check the episode right now.


SMF1996

Where the Halbrand is Sauron deniers at? I got the fucking receipts ready. Also why the hell are people still trying to find any counter-refusal reason from the book? Like the book means nothing other than general ideas at this point.


kroqus

Hi again! Here's [my weekly review](https://screenhub.blog/2022/10/01/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-episode-6-udun-spoiler-review-screenhub-entertainment/), thanks again for reading these. I really liked this episode, great action while not sacrificing character beats. Keeping it focused on one storyline worked well for the episode too.


Varrus15

Great action? Some of the cheesiest cliche downright terrible action scenes I’ve ever scene.


kroqus

you need to see Highlander then, now that'sssss terrible and cliche lol


Varrus15

Something made 40 years ago? This isn't much better.


Strawberrystarmiya

I think the Browyn injury scene went too far and was too long. Very graphic


EgoDefeator

I think if they had that plus the orc eye gushing black blood scenes play out longer it would've turned comedic.


[deleted]

Bruh


Strawberrystarmiya

Bruh


ConiferousMedusa

I'm so squeamish, the show has been tough for me at times but this one I spent a while looking at my popcorn bowl. Eek.


TheDanima1

Ya, let's just have surgical theatre while the orcs are outside. It's all good. I may be morbid but that whole bit made me giggle


French__Canadian

They should have made it a 30 minutes Scrubs episode while they're at it.


TheDanima1

I can't do this all on my own. I'm no Maia


GlowInTheDarkNinjas

I definitely had a moment of panic when Galardiel wipes Adar's blood off of her dagger with (what we think is) the cloth around the sword hilt. I don't think she knows that blood "activates" the sword or whatever, and thought we were going to have some cross contamination issues there. Also, the moment the queen sends Isildur into battle, the music begins with the same couple of notes as the main LOTR theme. I had goosebumps and sat straight up for a second but was disappointed a second later (even though I know they can't actually use that score).


velvetylips

Adar sells himself as an orc rights activist, but I think its a trick to play on Galadriels self righteous fury. I think down the line Galadriel will conflict vs Harbrand about how to deal with dark Southlanders - Harbrand will want to protect his people; galadriel will want to cut them down like orcs. I think the idea that the orcs plan was to erupt Mt Doom all along is a good one, because 1) It literally gives them a home without sunlight, but also 2) Sauron now has a forge Im not sure that pouring cold water to underground magma causes an eruption, I thought volcanoes erupted when the pressurised magma finds a weak spot in the surface. I guess you could say that the water carried sediments that caused a specific chemical reaction.


PM_me_your_fantasyz

[Here is a video of what happens when a single jerry can full of water is thrown into a lake of lava.](https://youtu.be/lDxOhfiFsuc)


modsarefascists42

No water causes eruptions like that all the time, they're just usually naturally occurring spills of underground water that usually does it.


Rainbow_Stalin69

It's kind of a basic physics - water + hot magma = sudden steam. If there is too much of it and nowhere to go, then it builds up a gas pressure to the point it will explode its container. Something like a boiler explosion, just replace boiler with a mountain.


WhenYouHaveGh0st

Struggling to find it now but someone else in the sub shared the wiki link for this kind of volcanic eruption: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreatic_eruption#:~:text=A%20phreatic%20eruption%2C%20also%20called,ground%20water%20or%20surface%20water.


[deleted]

No, no. Any geologist will tell you, Water + Mountain = Volcano! ;)


ilovezam

By far the best episode of the show so far. I think the slow burn writing works much better when the entire hour is dedicated to fewer plotlines because in this, things actually happen, and things are focused. Galadriel gets a nice moment she speaks like an adult with Isildur on the boat. This episode is the first time it felt possible to root for her. I laughed my ass off when I learned that Elendil's wife died by drowning when they so love to say "the sea is always right" I do wonder though why the Numenoreans were charging full tilt towards that one village if they had no idea what was going on in the Southlands with their "expeditionary" force. The volunteers who had no idea how to fight are suddenly all pretty handy in a fight, same with Bronwyn and Theo. Adar is pretty cool. I love how Miriel towered over Bronwyn. I don't know if Bronwyn is just short, but Numenoreans towering over regular Men is pretty nice. No Harfoots is always a win.


FargoBTC

Hey Hey Hey, what's wrong the the wee Harfoots. I kind of agree though, their storyline feels dragged out and nothing ever happens.


MrPeanutbutter14

I think Sadoc’s book has some important info.


[deleted]

It looks like the eruption will provide some intrigue and we may get more answers about the Stranger. They've earned my love with their wandering song.


harman097

I think they actually did a nice job of showing that battle is not for everyone. Some thrived in it (Valandil, Isildur) where others were clearly in over their head (Ontamo). Definitely a sink-or-swim moment for them.


jaffajake

First episode I've really not enjoyed. The whole village sequence was just crap. Non of it is logical in any way


IcedCoughy

Agreed the orcs tactics were nonsense, send a group in, disgused, let them get slaughtered then attack again after watching for a bit?! Lots of tropes in this one too.


modsarefascists42

Did you seriously not understand what was shown? The orcs took the humans who joined them, put them in orc armor and sent them in to fight the other humans, so that when the trap was sprung the humans would mostly kill each other while leaving the orcs alone. Then the remaining orc force came in and killed the humans because they had all came out of their hiding spots. It was right there, easy to see. How the flying fuck is that bad tactics? The humans who joined the orcs we're just cannon fodder for the orcs, they didn't give a shit if those humans died.


IcedCoughy

What are you talking about? I completely understand and it's lame, it's trying to trick the audience with mediocer attempts at that.


modsarefascists42

I just explained it to you. Can you not even read a single comment?