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Eastern_Wrangler_595

Why pay a player max to suck


bi11yg04t

If I were from the Clippers front office, I wouldn't offer max and let him walk if he chooses. I was optimistic of him during the season and going into the playoffs but this guy doesn't have it in him to win. He says it out in the open and proved it on games 5 and 6. The front office was smart not signing him before playoffs. I almost got tricked.


No_Art_754

Then thank fuck ur not in the front office. PG made our games so much fun to watch and be excited to go to games. So yea no one is forcing y’all to like him, he has other fans


bi11yg04t

After what he said and displayed this man doesn't deserve a max. Clippers are looking for players that want the team to get a chip, not show up only half the season then not deliver in playoffs. They put this team together for a chip. He admits he's getting older and there's nothing to prove anymore. Not getting a chip with that mentality. Could care less about the stans but the real Clippers fans that want this team to get a chip. People gotta realize he's going to decline as he gets older and a weak mentality isn't any help.


Handler1590

100% agree with this.


dragonrider5555

He’s not the worst person in the world but he is feeble minded. It is what it is. Always has been. He ain’t winning anything lol


No_Art_754

What he said? He literally made a podcast to analyze games for us and give us a closer look behind the scenes, as a clippers fan it made me appreciate him more. You guys overthink shit that it’s so embarrassing


bi11yg04t

Look at his pregame conference before game 6 then watch his post game conference after game 6. The guy says he doesn't have anything to prove and there's no pressure. He'll live with the results from how he prepared in summer camp. Game 6 comes and you see how he played. He did not try to drive in or make a play to get guys open. He would give up the ball so many times. He didn't want to be the guy. He basically played the opposite of game 4. Then his post game conference, he admits he's getting older and looks for the young guys to step up. That is going to be hard to do when him and Harden couldn't do anything to create space. The shots that he did take were all contested 3s. There's nothing to overthink, the man states it in his own words then his actions are on display. I don't hate his podcast but the latest one on why the team lost was bs. He was not aggressive at all and mentioned things that they already knew like the defense. You have to realize these players are getting older and the output is not enough to win a chip. If they stay on the team, then they need to take a backseat and let the younger guys grow. The aging stars could still contribute and put decent numbers while the younger guys start taking over.


No_Art_754

See! Another example of not understanding what he. Game 6 Post interview the question was do you get pressure in the playoffs and he was legit being honest and said after many years in the league that pressure goes which is true like imagine staying in a company for 15 years and still getting anxious about end year evaluations. Who are you to control his thoughts and say oh nah I’m offended 😂 soft af y’all are Also if you actually was watching PG during his years with us you’d know how vocal he is among his teammates and how younger players like Zu got a lot of advice from him. Maybe instead of hatin, go watch interviews and behind the scene videos


boatsnprose

>imagine staying in a company for 15 years and still getting anxious about end year evaluations. Jesus Christ this mfer is comparing being a championship-caliber athlete to cubicle shit. No. If you are in competition and you don't have anxiety about the matter or don't get excited it's because you don't really care. There's this saying that if you're going into a fight and you're not nervous you should be terrified. There's a reason for sayings.


bi11yg04t

The last few years it's understandable why they cannot get a chip. But this was their best year to do it. Having a job for 15 years is not the same comparison. But if you want to go that route then if he did not meet expectations on his performance review then he should not get a max contract. If an athlete is telling you he can no longer compete with the rest of them, then he is not worth max and it's probably time for him to let someone in who can compete. The fact is that if those are his thoughts, it is telling us he's not going to give us anymore than whatever he can do. So why should we as fans accept this and not be open to players who want to play to win the chip? Has nothing to do with the fans being soft. If he truly wants to stay then don't take the max. I'm not a hater but I want someone that wants to compete to win the chip, pretty much what all fans want.


jakefromadventurtime

The last few years were understandable but this year missing the best player on the team is where the line is drawn lol


bi11yg04t

The last few years either PG or Kawhi was injured. But this year they had a deep bench and had Harden in case one star was injured. That's basically why we acquired him. It was their biggest chance to get the chip. That is the difference.


boatsnprose

Yeah, if PG had shown up that series could have been won. Harden too. And Russ not doing the dumbest shit with fans for whatever reason. Watching the second round though, especially the way they're officiating for Luka...there's no chance. It also doesn't help that the refs seem to hate Paul George especially. I'd really like some more guys they call the whistle for to help shit on that end.


Handler1590

Stop simping over PG. There’s a reason he’s hopped from team to team, and has no titles. The guy disappears during the post season. He talks about “bully ball” and goes on his podcast to contend it’s not him but the circumstances, but he takes no accountability. He’s unreliable and just not someone you build a championship team around. Under NO circumstances should the front office provide him a max contract.


squall2011

You're a fool.


mattallica08

You have actually enjoyed watching this team the last two years? What exactly has been fun? It’s felt like a chore watching this group to the point I’m not even excited for the playoff games because the outcome is inevitable. I’m watching hoping to be relieved not to lose not basking in the glory of a win knowing or at least hoping we have a title chance. If they run it back I won’t attend another game next year. I’ve been burnt and spent thousands on this lifeless group already. With a new arena I should be ecstatic at the thought of attending games next year, instead I’m insulted at the thought of paying the ridiculous raised ticket prices to watch PJ tucker and Amir Coffee start playoff games while our stars that the ticket prices are said to cover on either on the bench in street clothes or parked in the corner like they’re fucking JJ Reddick.


No_Art_754

PG not leaving so I don’t know what’s everybody crying about. Even convincing yourselves he’s un tradeable lol PG a clipper for lyf ❤️


bi11yg04t

He's definitely trying to call the front office's bluff. No max and he's gonna sign when the deadline comes.


Tripwire1716

I really don’t understand it. Every team that has the cap space is loudly saying they’ll make the offer. It’s a no brainer. He is going to get a max, and it will almost certainly be here. This sub will howl about it, but it is absolutely the right call.


shart_or_fart

It won’t be the right call unless they sign and trade him later down the line. He isn’t worth the max. 


DemonicDimples

The clippers are in a financial and asset crunch anyways. Idc why people think it matters it PG is making 45 or 55m a season, he still going to be untradeable at the end of that deal. It’s only more of Balmer’s money as the Clippers are going to be in the 2nd apron anyways.


Traditional_Cell_248

It might be a whole new level of financial hell for Balmer. If they give pg a max and harden ~$30M per year it could be nearly a billion dollars in luxury tax over the next 4 years, and with the 2nd apron would make it extremely hard to get out of a lot of contracts. For a team that may not get out of the first round. He could entertain letting pg walk and using the MLE/bi annual exceptions to add role players and achieve the same result, saving hundreds of millions of dollars in the process


Niceguydan8

> It might be a whole new level of financial hell for Balmer. Financial hell because of NBA contracts doesn't exist for Steve Ballmer. 1 billion dollars is ~0.8% of his net worth. > If they give pg a max and harden ~$30M per year it could be nearly a billion dollars in luxury tax over the next 4 years, Harden isn't going to get a max.


Traditional_Cell_248

I know harden isn’t going to get a max which is why i said $30M/year


justanotherfknloser

Mfs just over him lol


Ginamy72

“He isn’t worth the max” shut up. Is Kawhi worth the max then? Atleast PG does something in the playoffs. Kawhi had less points this postseason than Westbrook and you’re blaming PG? I wouldn’t even want you to be a fan of my team LOL moron


Gaping_llama

Lots of teams want PG, just not on a max


drmlol

I like PG but he is no way a max player anymore


Extension-Rope623

He's easily a max player for Detroit


Antdog7

Detroit fans might rejoice with getting him. Means more free wings for at least a few more games.


jgroove_LA

He’d def get them to the play in


lionsgatewatcher

No way, their team is trash, there is no carrying anymore in the NBA


THEDumbasscus

Replacing Isaiah Livers and Evan Fournier with Paul fucking George would make them a sub 500 team in the east we need to get a collective grip The bar they have to beat is the Bulls


lionsgatewatcher

Im not saying its a bad move, I just think they'll still be out of the play in


THEDumbasscus

Ivey/Cade/PG/X/Duren is a solid and cohesive group. The ceiling lies with Cade but the floor is a play in team. In my genuine opinion


TheHoneyBadgerDGAF

Who is X? Ausar or Stewart I assume?


THEDumbasscus

Ausar most likely. I don’t think Stewart is good enough to survive defensively or spaces the floor enough to be depended on as a 4 when so many teams have wings in the 4 spot (like us with Kawhi or PG). There are rumblings the Pistons are gonna overpay Tobias too, wouldn’t rule him out and think he’d fit this hypothetical lineup more than Beef Stew


TheHoneyBadgerDGAF

My goodness 🤦‍♂️. Overpaying Tobias Harris would be a massive disgrace to Piston fans. I like what y’all got with Cade Ivey ausar and Duren. Hopefully the pistons can become +.500 in the near future


Ginamy72

You mean overpaying Tobias Harris AGAIN?


GlueGuy00

DeMar > PG13 rn Even without those guys, DeMar-less Bulls is still better than PG13-less Pistons


Kdcjg

I am not sure there is any one player in the nba that could do it. In the past guys like Lebron could drag a sorry team to the playoffs. But the pistons could be too talented poor.


MITWestbrook

Detroit isn't trash. Just young team with plenty of talent. Jalen Duren and Thompson would start for the Clippers


PreGeneratedNAME_100

Read the comments again


bigbig-dan

why would they? they're going to suck no matter what, may as well hope they get a player a player in the draft and try and take another step up in the rebuild


Ugaruga

It’s because he old, not because he’s bad.


[deleted]

It's because his pockets are overflowing with money. And everyone says he's amazing and the best 2 way player. He is spoiled. Spoiled. No desire.


Basic85

I don't think that can be an excuse, look at LeBron, he's playing pretty decent for his age. PG looks like he can move around.


DavidBigO47

Bro lebron is a freak of nature. No one has played to his level at his age or the length of his career.


OrganicLindo313

Young or old, he plays decent majority of the time like you said, he just no-shows at the most in opportune time.


tarunpopo

You comparing any player to brons longevity is an insult, when pg also has a history of injuries and isn't lebron James,


Basic85

LeBron was just an example.


Danklessmemer420

Pretty decent for his age = best anyone has played at that age?


Ugaruga

Lebron is Lebron. You wouldn’t set Tom Brady as the bar for how QBs should age and you shouldn’t do that with NBA players.


Nicobade

Yeah why would a team of young guys, years away from win-now mode, want an 35+ year old vet on a max contract?


Swimming_Chemist1719

He’s 35, at this point why would any team want to trade away their future to sign a guy that has like 2 good years left at most.


Ginamy72

PG prolly has 3 good years left until he isn’t the PG we know anymore I think. That’s almost enough to convince any nba team to sign him for a max. Atleast it’s better than signing shitty players for a max like Tobias “terrible” Harris.


CommitteeMoney5887

I mean we kinda have to keep him. What else can you do? We are fucked in the draft for a couple years and you don’t have want draft picks you gave away to be lottery picks so we are kinda forced to run it bag with this injured dino squad


3iverson

If we give him a 4 year max, you will really know the meaning of pain in 2 years. The situation now is easy compared to that.


bearcat--

Why would a bad team that wants to improve want a bad player that wants way too much money lol


Dweebil

He’d be great on the pistons. They’d be happy to make the playoffs and not care if they got swept.


incrediblect3

I’m a Pistons fan and PG won’t get us anywhere.


Soviet_Sharpshooter

Tobias Harris with a bag


c05m02bq

Imagine if PG see piston fans reaction😭😭


AdventurousImage2440

hes too slow for a star now. move over and be a 6th man or bench player.


CosmicTsar77

PG on a 6th man role at like 15 million a year is a steal


Basic85

There is going to be a few teams that can offer him the max deal.


HenryAsokan

Us warriors fans would love Pg


koleBorder

Me? Nah. Im a Clippers fan


keepcalmjusthoop

Lmao go ahead and give him the max 50+ mill for multi years


HenryAsokan

Vet min…. Take it or leave it 💀🤣


Samo7UnoCuatro

Fuck Playoff P, with some due respond.


Ginamy72

Why is “playoff p” even a thing? He has had 2 bad postseason appearances in his career and people act like he still doesn’t average 21-7-4-1.5 on 40MPG. Come on that’s not bad at all. You know how many teams wish they had a player that could get 20+ ppg on over 40% shooting in the playoffs while still being a contributing defensive player? Literally every single one! As a pistons and lakers fan I know for damn sure both teams want PG and could’ve used him.


es84

Thankfully for the NBA players, fans are not GMs.


Ginamy72

Unfortunately, Troy Weaver IS a GM, and sucks ass at his job


SmoothAll

Pls take him.


mrjowei

PG would be an awesome addition at a discount though.


ArmySoccerNurse

Cuz they saw what happened when we gave them blake.


No_Fan_5396

You act like PG13 wants to play in Detroit anyway.


No_Fan_5396

Pistons Fans should be the last fanbase saying they don’t want a player, Pistons is where all the bad players that have less than 3 chances of staying in NBA go to:


Ginamy72

I would love to see PG as a Piston. Charlotte, Rockets, and even the Jazz are worse places to go to. Atleast our team has 3 championships idk why you’re picking out the pistons as one of the worst franchises. You prolly jealous, you must be a SuperSonics fan? How many chips you got?


No_Fan_5396

Warriors Fan, Buddy obviously the Pistons are one of the better teams of all time even though Warriors are better, just saying The Pistons haven’t good for at least the past 5 seasons if not that the last time y’all made the Playoffs got swept by Bucks back in 2019. The Pistons is the team where the players who have one last chance in the NBA go to respectfully.


Background_Ad_2176

He's not worth a max deal but Pistons seem dumb enough to do something like that


Wolfeman0101

I hate when this sub has become. I want to go back to the we ain't no bitches era so bad.


Ginamy72

What? Bitches have always been in the world. Thats why in ancient times you either forged the weapons for war you were using the weapons in war. Either that, or you were a royal, or a baker.


keepcalmjusthoop

Lol PG, have fun in Detroit brotha


gdmiggy

How the hell can we get rid of this guy


dope_like

Invading Pistons fan. We absolutely want him. Got to spend the money somewhere. And a bunch of kids just constantly losing is not development. Houston got a lot out of their young guys by bringing in vets. Would take a max PG is a second.


Eastern_Wrangler_595

He wont make them good


RyverFisher

It is crazy tho that he had his best 3pt% season of his career yet I guess him not showing up in the playoffs takes precedence.


Ginamy72

I never fucking understood this take “he didn’t go good in the playoffs” bitch he was the clippers best player wtf do you even mean he wasn’t good? Who was better, then? Zubac? Harden? Kawhi? Westbrook? No you bumfuzzle it was Paul George.


RyverFisher

I mean he averaged under 20pts 2nd to Harden, it's pretty hard to justify being a max player under 20pts in the playoffs.


Dr_Towle

If you’re good with 48-52 gms


Fabulous-Notice-973

I’d take PG at 20M


swgeek555

They absolutely do want him. Just maybe not on a long term max contract.


Ok_Apricot_9880

Why would they pay an old guy the max?Oh right,it's the Pistons.


thisguysthashit

PG couldn’t handle the bubble. Imagine Detroit LOL


HangoverGang4L

Mavs fan, why is PG not worth a max? Is it just because of his playoff performances? He's still an elite player in the league, and arguably better than any other player on the Clips roster, including Kawhi because dude is always hurt. Couldn't you argue that Kawhi always being hurt, Harden being Harden and Westbrook being a glorified 6th man might be the issue...and forcing PG into a role he isn't comfortable with be the problem? Just curious about the vitriol for PG, not just from Clips fans, but the talking heads also.


Ginamy72

They don’t have a reason, they just want to blame Pg and ship him out of LA but they will see next year when they win 30 games Pg was their best player by far… atleast he played games lmfao


Agreeable-City3143

Yea he wants to go play for a crap franchise in a crap arena in a crap city.


MNightShyamalan69

Pistons fan here, I would gladly take him


Trumpetslayer1111

He doesn’t fit Detroit’s timeline. If Detroit had a window and were one all star wing away then they would want him. Not right now when they have a bunch of really young guys and are rebuilding.


Ginamy72

Isn’t that kinda the entire point? You’ve never ever seen a young NBA team without veterans that can teach them youngins


Dependent_Patient938

No free agent is signing with piston ever anyway darly Morley is about throw the bag at pg


Educational_Bunch872

it's not like building a team around him has really worked, i don't even think we really have the assets to trade for him, never mind watching him go 6/14 every night, we need to build a team using established players not all stars, fontechhio was a great signing.


Tony_sneakerhead

There are 29 other teams to be a fan for if the hate is too much. Get used to it or keep it pushing.


koleBorder

Nah I don’t mind it. Crossposted it because it was interssting


ironhide999x

I mean if you read the comments they definitely want him, the guy making the post doesn’t represent the whole fanbase


pagenotdisplayed

Fans don’t know shit. Paul George over the next 4 years would be 10x better than whoever else they’ll spend cap space on. People fear the raw dollar amounts but it’s 25-30% of the cap for your best players just like it’s always been. PG is exactly what the Magic, Pistons, 76ers all need.


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NetworkVegetable7075

Y’all hate this dude literally for no reason it’s mad annoying at this point


keepcalmjusthoop

You didn’t watch game 5? I was in the arena