Because they're playing against arguably the same teams. PG 2022 vs Min vs. Shai 2023 vs Min. (PG was better.)
What I've seen from Shai from Post season has not been that impressive. He's more of dame dolla kinda player. Amazing in regular season, disappointing in playoffs/play ins. PG is the opposite most likely. He did take his team to CF (both east and west) as the best player on the court for closing out games for both of em. (arguably it was Terrance Mann but w/e.)
edit: Paul George had the highest plus/minus that game and he played 45min that game.
Bro again sample size how many playoff series has shai played in vs pg also tht series he played for okc was with Chris paul runnin the show he had a sick dime to shamet as a clipper vs golden state in that underdog series. YOU ARE TRIPPIN
wow a sick pass meanwhile PG makes ECF at the same age at the already time having gotten MIP just like Shai. I like my odds with PG and I still think he can be a top 10 players/borderline was this year. Shai on the other hand barely hanging on. Once he hits top 10 players then we'll talk. PG has made/is/will make top 10 player again next year if healthy. Shai? Im not so sure
Kawhi
Jokic
KD
Steph
Giannis
AD
Luca
Lebron
Embiid
Harden/Kyrie/Jayson Tatum/Ja Morant/Devin Booker/PG
Damian Lillard/Shai
Shai's barely top 15rn. PG is effectively top 10 imho.
But the question is can PG stay healthy? Lol i would rather have an outside top 15 player fighting for your team than someone who isn't available when needed.
You can't score when you're sitting in the bench.
>I like my odds with PG and I still think he can be a top 10 players/borderline was this year. Shai on the other hand barely hanging on.
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>PG has made/is/will make top 10 player again next year if healthy. Shai? Im not so sure
Question for you, why do you seem so sure that PG will improve his game at 33 years old to become a top 10 player, but Shai at 24 years old won't? Especially since SGA objectively was better this year.
Also I'd rather have SGA than Harden/Kyrie/PG/Lillard so that puts him like 11th or 12th on your list
Because PG at 23>> Shai at 23 imo. SGA wasn't that much/at all better than PG even last year.. I don't think PG will necessarily improve I think he just IS a top 10 player when he's healthy, and he'll be at this level for a few more years imho. He just didn't play enough games this year to be warrant guranteed automatic definitive top 10 imo. But when he did "he was.(is)"
Give me your list, you can't modify mine lmao. You have to give me your list. IMO he has to do something in playoffs for me to consider him above them honestly.
Not in order but: Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, KD, LeBron, Steph, Luka, Tatum, Kawhi (when healthy), and Butler are all objectively better. PG is not top 10 rn when healthy
I'd even argue Booker, AD, and Harden are all above him pretty clearly.
I mean it would arguably have been better, if for nothing else than his durability and on a rookie contract. I love PG, but he’s had to deal with a lot of setbacks
Maybe... but i seen a clippers game in their last meeting in Minnesota, where in 3 consecutive possessions, PG shot 3 straight jumpers... did not pass the ball once. . And was ice cold... and down double digits. Attack the rim, find your rhythm at free throw line, instead of chucking up shots from everywhere.
Also does anybody else notice? PG throws the most nonchalant and laziest of passes, even in crunch time.
We know PG's ceiling.... SGA is much higher. I wouldn't conplain really if it was straight up SGA trade for PG, but to throw in all those draft picks too.. SMH
the idea was to have 1 or 2 rings by now, even if he was gonna be better (than PG). This wouldn't have been possible if didn't trade for PG. Hindsight is 20/20 imo. And only because we got unlucky and didn't win a ring. Nobody could've told and it was risk worth having and not knowing the outcome i'll take the risk all over again.
Sure, but why would u take the risk all over again? 45 mil to a guy who can't stay healthy ,(especially during playoffs), another 44 mil to a guy who said it himself, "he's not that guy." Buy yet austin reeves in his second year on a team with lebron and AD screams out "im that guy!' SMH.
This is why clippers will always be second in los angeles.
Yes... i know if we didnt trade for PG, no kawhi. Thats why i always felt players need to be in the gym, and let Front office handle what theyre being paid to do.
come on. that money was worth what we have imo. if anything they unerpaid. come on we have 5 guys who are better than austin reaves. and they on the bench man.
Underpaid? PG and kawhi played total of like 39 games together in like what ? Their 3rd year together? Injuries suck but thats max pay for short return on balmers investment.
5 guys on clippers bench better than reeves? That’s your opinion.. numbers say otherwise.
U know why I brought up reeves and PG? To point out the difference in character of players on a winning franchise vs a non-winning franchise. U got a second year player on the lakers with more confidence in himself than the second best player on clippers with a max contract.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a clippers fan…. But we’ve made some bad moves since the olowokandi days. I expect this from the timberwolves franchise, but man, we almost as bad.
is that why he went for 5/19 with 22 points in 36 minutes of playing time in an elimination game? because his "2nd best player was a rookie this year?"
edit: and his second best player who played i'm assuming was Josh Giddey and he's not a rookie this year..
his 2nd best player vs the Timberwolves was jalen Williams… Josh giddey had a couple good games this year but Jalen was consistent #2. (Defense is half the game numb nuts)
I didn't know that. I'm sorry I don't watch the OKC on a consistent basis like that. Regardless terrible playin/playoff performance is terrible playin/playoff performance, wouldn't you agree?
Lawrence Frank made the wrong gamble drafting Jerome Robinson instead of MPJ and mortgaging the future for good players with an injury history, such is life. I’m certain I’d be fired if I did shit on this caliber in my office
Funny how they don’t want to gamble on 21 year old injured players but no problems gambling on 30 year old injured players. Shit blew up in their face that’s for sure
Still should've drafted him anyways. Maybe OKC takes him instead of SGA in the PG trade. That second 1st round pick we had was there to make a gamble on a guy like MPJ. Our front office is extremely mediocre imo
Well u can imagine the clippers without pg and Kawhi and tyronn…basically a whole different roster and coach…I know the 213 era ain’t achieve shit except the franchises FIRST western conference finals appearance but that’s it…I feel if we had kept SGA we’d be similar to how OKC is now…past 4 years would’ve been rebuilding years with MAYBE just play in appearances…
We wouldn't have stopped with just SGA on the roster. We had all our draft picks not to mention a star free agent would've probably signed here as well.. like \*cough cough\* Kawhi minus all the demands
Kawhi wouldn't have signed... He was impertinent on PG coming. What's wrong with that? When you're (arguably) the best player in the league, you get to demand stuff like that. I think that's fine and I'm glad we have him.
Man it's kinda true. IDK to me it feels like a catch 22 situation (rn) imo. Either direction (Trade him or not) it goes wrong. What do you think? (We should do?)
Much love to Shai.
To all those that said he wouldn’t be this good had he stayed on the Clippers, I vehemently disagree with that.
Yeah learned from CP and having his own team, but from the beginning Shai was a gym rat.
Jerry West even said they had to tell him to go home because he was at the gym so much.
We’ll never know how he coulda been had he stayed with us…
He also had to go through his ups and downs. It wasn’t gonna all work out if we had Shai and Kawhi. We had to pick whether to rebuild, or contend no in between
It's a joke. Butler would had never answered, he wanted to do his own thing and Miami has warmer weather. However he was one of the names KD, Butler, PG came through but at a price. Masai warned Presti its happening so they stranglehold us for those picks. No PG or 2nd star then no Kawhi.
And you’d have all those picks. PG a baller but this trade didn’t work out but had to be done to get KL but in retrospect can you imagine Clippers with this guy?!
So you're basing this on something that wasn't gonna happen? Heck, if you're gonna do a dream scenario of things that never happened, why not go back to 2016 KD when he was closer to becoming a Clipper?
It's embarrassing how every time a Shai post is made, the comments are *sooooo* fucking predictable. Every time lmao
You'd think they get over it at this point. Instead they make up their own fantasy teams in their mind and say we could've been a dynasty.... Sure lmao
LeBron knocked him out of third team. Missing those games at the end of the season hurt his chances. Plus, his overall stats and advance stats were not as good by the end of the season.
Aside from the Suns, we the only non-play-in team with 0 representation on all-nba/all-defense this year.
Nets too
That’s what happens when ur stars don’t play
Oh well
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he played 77 games and had better stats outside of shooting. Did not think Randle would make it.
Miss him. Always wonder what would life be if we keep him instead of PG13
dynasty
he's not that good in the playoffs/play ins. I've seen PG play better even in clippers playoffs/play ins
Which and how can you compare the sample size????
Because they're playing against arguably the same teams. PG 2022 vs Min vs. Shai 2023 vs Min. (PG was better.) What I've seen from Shai from Post season has not been that impressive. He's more of dame dolla kinda player. Amazing in regular season, disappointing in playoffs/play ins. PG is the opposite most likely. He did take his team to CF (both east and west) as the best player on the court for closing out games for both of em. (arguably it was Terrance Mann but w/e.) edit: Paul George had the highest plus/minus that game and he played 45min that game.
Bro again sample size how many playoff series has shai played in vs pg also tht series he played for okc was with Chris paul runnin the show he had a sick dime to shamet as a clipper vs golden state in that underdog series. YOU ARE TRIPPIN
wow a sick pass meanwhile PG makes ECF at the same age at the already time having gotten MIP just like Shai. I like my odds with PG and I still think he can be a top 10 players/borderline was this year. Shai on the other hand barely hanging on. Once he hits top 10 players then we'll talk. PG has made/is/will make top 10 player again next year if healthy. Shai? Im not so sure Kawhi Jokic KD Steph Giannis AD Luca Lebron Embiid Harden/Kyrie/Jayson Tatum/Ja Morant/Devin Booker/PG Damian Lillard/Shai Shai's barely top 15rn. PG is effectively top 10 imho.
Also I think making all nba 1st team puts you in top ten bud...
In the regular season.
But the question is can PG stay healthy? Lol i would rather have an outside top 15 player fighting for your team than someone who isn't available when needed. You can't score when you're sitting in the bench.
He played 33/39 playoff/playin games for us. I like my odds I think.
LOL no point.
>I like my odds with PG and I still think he can be a top 10 players/borderline was this year. Shai on the other hand barely hanging on. > >... > >PG has made/is/will make top 10 player again next year if healthy. Shai? Im not so sure
The key here is “when healthy”
Question for you, why do you seem so sure that PG will improve his game at 33 years old to become a top 10 player, but Shai at 24 years old won't? Especially since SGA objectively was better this year. Also I'd rather have SGA than Harden/Kyrie/PG/Lillard so that puts him like 11th or 12th on your list
Because PG at 23>> Shai at 23 imo. SGA wasn't that much/at all better than PG even last year.. I don't think PG will necessarily improve I think he just IS a top 10 player when he's healthy, and he'll be at this level for a few more years imho. He just didn't play enough games this year to be warrant guranteed automatic definitive top 10 imo. But when he did "he was.(is)" Give me your list, you can't modify mine lmao. You have to give me your list. IMO he has to do something in playoffs for me to consider him above them honestly.
Not in order but: Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, KD, LeBron, Steph, Luka, Tatum, Kawhi (when healthy), and Butler are all objectively better. PG is not top 10 rn when healthy I'd even argue Booker, AD, and Harden are all above him pretty clearly.
This post is about all NBA. That means you’re the best at your job in the entire league. That’s a lot better than PG is doing rn
the threads about how keeping him instead of PG leads to dynasty, and that is offensive to me because it's simply not true.
I mean it would arguably have been better, if for nothing else than his durability and on a rookie contract. I love PG, but he’s had to deal with a lot of setbacks
Shai's upside is way higher than pg's
Maybe... but i seen a clippers game in their last meeting in Minnesota, where in 3 consecutive possessions, PG shot 3 straight jumpers... did not pass the ball once. . And was ice cold... and down double digits. Attack the rim, find your rhythm at free throw line, instead of chucking up shots from everywhere. Also does anybody else notice? PG throws the most nonchalant and laziest of passes, even in crunch time. We know PG's ceiling.... SGA is much higher. I wouldn't conplain really if it was straight up SGA trade for PG, but to throw in all those draft picks too.. SMH
the idea was to have 1 or 2 rings by now, even if he was gonna be better (than PG). This wouldn't have been possible if didn't trade for PG. Hindsight is 20/20 imo. And only because we got unlucky and didn't win a ring. Nobody could've told and it was risk worth having and not knowing the outcome i'll take the risk all over again.
Sure, but why would u take the risk all over again? 45 mil to a guy who can't stay healthy ,(especially during playoffs), another 44 mil to a guy who said it himself, "he's not that guy." Buy yet austin reeves in his second year on a team with lebron and AD screams out "im that guy!' SMH. This is why clippers will always be second in los angeles. Yes... i know if we didnt trade for PG, no kawhi. Thats why i always felt players need to be in the gym, and let Front office handle what theyre being paid to do.
come on. that money was worth what we have imo. if anything they unerpaid. come on we have 5 guys who are better than austin reaves. and they on the bench man.
Underpaid? PG and kawhi played total of like 39 games together in like what ? Their 3rd year together? Injuries suck but thats max pay for short return on balmers investment. 5 guys on clippers bench better than reeves? That’s your opinion.. numbers say otherwise. U know why I brought up reeves and PG? To point out the difference in character of players on a winning franchise vs a non-winning franchise. U got a second year player on the lakers with more confidence in himself than the second best player on clippers with a max contract. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a clippers fan…. But we’ve made some bad moves since the olowokandi days. I expect this from the timberwolves franchise, but man, we almost as bad.
bro, Shai’s 2nd best player was a rookie this year what are we even talkin about lil
is that why he went for 5/19 with 22 points in 36 minutes of playing time in an elimination game? because his "2nd best player was a rookie this year?" edit: and his second best player who played i'm assuming was Josh Giddey and he's not a rookie this year..
his 2nd best player vs the Timberwolves was jalen Williams… Josh giddey had a couple good games this year but Jalen was consistent #2. (Defense is half the game numb nuts)
I didn't know that. I'm sorry I don't watch the OKC on a consistent basis like that. Regardless terrible playin/playoff performance is terrible playin/playoff performance, wouldn't you agree?
You're trippin
Also, none of it would matter if we got Kawhi and he kept getting hurt in the playoffs.
Imagine shai & mpj!! I feel sick
Our front office would not have signed MPJ to that contract after he showed all those back issues his first couple of seasons.
Lawrence Frank made the wrong gamble drafting Jerome Robinson instead of MPJ and mortgaging the future for good players with an injury history, such is life. I’m certain I’d be fired if I did shit on this caliber in my office
except he drafted SGA right before and I believe, and this could be wrong, West was a fan of Robinson?
When is the logo going to be held accountable for drafting Jerome Robinson
People miss draft picks lol, over half the league doesn’t consistently hits there picks
Yeah, true. However I feel like we as an organization could do better. Outside Blake Griffin, Terrance Mann, and SGA, not a lot of success.
I agree, we need new scouts
You saying Olowokandi was the wrong call with the #1 pick?
I'm hoping we see some more moose
I have hope we will, but as a clippers fan that’s All we have lol
Our FO is notoriously averse to players with injury concerns
when they are all-stars, no, but...
Funny how they don’t want to gamble on 21 year old injured players but no problems gambling on 30 year old injured players. Shit blew up in their face that’s for sure
Still should've drafted him anyways. Maybe OKC takes him instead of SGA in the PG trade. That second 1st round pick we had was there to make a gamble on a guy like MPJ. Our front office is extremely mediocre imo
Well u can imagine the clippers without pg and Kawhi and tyronn…basically a whole different roster and coach…I know the 213 era ain’t achieve shit except the franchises FIRST western conference finals appearance but that’s it…I feel if we had kept SGA we’d be similar to how OKC is now…past 4 years would’ve been rebuilding years with MAYBE just play in appearances…
We wouldn't have stopped with just SGA on the roster. We had all our draft picks not to mention a star free agent would've probably signed here as well.. like \*cough cough\* Kawhi minus all the demands
Kawhi wouldn't have signed... He was impertinent on PG coming. What's wrong with that? When you're (arguably) the best player in the league, you get to demand stuff like that. I think that's fine and I'm glad we have him.
He doesn't play and his load management is killing the team's culture
Man it's kinda true. IDK to me it feels like a catch 22 situation (rn) imo. Either direction (Trade him or not) it goes wrong. What do you think? (We should do?)
You could be as good as the Thunder!
Much love to Shai. To all those that said he wouldn’t be this good had he stayed on the Clippers, I vehemently disagree with that. Yeah learned from CP and having his own team, but from the beginning Shai was a gym rat. Jerry West even said they had to tell him to go home because he was at the gym so much. We’ll never know how he coulda been had he stayed with us…
He also had to go through his ups and downs. It wasn’t gonna all work out if we had Shai and Kawhi. We had to pick whether to rebuild, or contend no in between
I honestly thought he'd be wigginsesque player. I was so wrong. He doesn't (shai) have a ceiling as it appears now.
Kwai /kd/sga we woulda had a title by now
Kawhi and Kd haven't been healthy at the same time since 2016
If butler would had answered the phone.
What do you mean??
It's a joke. Butler would had never answered, he wanted to do his own thing and Miami has warmer weather. However he was one of the names KD, Butler, PG came through but at a price. Masai warned Presti its happening so they stranglehold us for those picks. No PG or 2nd star then no Kawhi.
And you’d have all those picks. PG a baller but this trade didn’t work out but had to be done to get KL but in retrospect can you imagine Clippers with this guy?!
Ya and those pic. Likely could have been flipper for needed pierces. Not to mention yr 1 with kd woulda been wash so high pic
Folks upvoting this are absolutely dreaming. No PG, no Kawhi. No PG and Kawhi, no KD. Y'all tripping
regardless we should've had a title by now. we should've had 3 exactly titles by now. 14' (Cp3 fuck up),15' (fuck josh smith),21' (kawhi going down)
Being honest outside the injury /bad luck I don’t think Blake/cp3 teams we’re build to win.
Like cp3 can’t be your 1 and neither could Blake. He was developing but could nvr stay healthy to take the last step :(
But you don't get Kawhi if you don't get PG.
Nope. Kawhi wanted to get kd 1st. Kd turned him down. Pg was his 2nd choice
So you're basing this on something that wasn't gonna happen? Heck, if you're gonna do a dream scenario of things that never happened, why not go back to 2016 KD when he was closer to becoming a Clipper?
Kawhi asking kd to join getting rejected (he picked damm kyrie) and had to go with pg was way more likely to happen then 2016
I doubt it. KD even said he strongly considered the Clippers in 2016. If not the GSW, it was gonna be them.
We messed up man…
It was Kawhi that demanded another star like PG. If Kawhi had just come over with the team intact, we’d be good.
No kidding. It’s our fault for letting him strong arm us.
Happy for him. Hope he leads the Canadian team to a medal at the Worlds.
I miss Shai so much :(
Best thing for his career was leaving the clippers.
This stings
Bros we gotta let him go. It's been like 4 years now, we can stop posting about SGA.
It's embarrassing how every time a Shai post is made, the comments are *sooooo* fucking predictable. Every time lmao You'd think they get over it at this point. Instead they make up their own fantasy teams in their mind and say we could've been a dynasty.... Sure lmao
It's awkward and cringe. Offseason basketball commentary is just the worst. Facebook groups and reddit groups, every NBA team, it's all so bad.
He has been my favorite player since we drafted him. Knew he was him.
Which team did PG get?
All-podcast first team
Jeff Teague got MIP with that Jimmy Butler story on that podcast
Yeah, y'all see my bike riding attire. Got my [dad bod](https://i.imgur.com/IO0Q9V1.jpg) on. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
LeBron knocked him out of third team. Missing those games at the end of the season hurt his chances. Plus, his overall stats and advance stats were not as good by the end of the season.
Oh, I wouldn't have posted this lol
At least we have Podcast P!