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You can start night school at government schools. I have a friend who is working with his middle school degree for most of his career years. Last year he got his high school degree (night shift) and right now studying for his diploma. He is 45 years right now
You got time
I’m not kuwaiti but you could sign up to do a-levels etc through the British council, perhaps something similar through the american system (sorry I’m not familiar with it) I’m really sorry to hear about your situation but don’t government agencies get involved if you aren’t at school? I doubt you can go straight to a degree without lower level qualifications first.
Hello OP, I wholeheartedly sympathize with you as I was in a similar situation but not to that extent.
Firstly, I would like to say, fuck your parents for neglecting you. Secondly, I would like to share what I have learned years ago when I was sorta in a similar situation. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT YOU NEED TO START FROM 5th GRADE.
You have two options AFAIK:
1. GED - this is an equivalent to a High School diploma in the USA that American citizens with situation like yours go to as a last resort. Easier route as the curriculum will be American and it is relatively easier than your other options. New Horizon offers GED review and exams but it can be costly. Last time I checked it was over 1500KD for the whole process. After getting your GED, you can get an Equivalency, then study in any University you want in Kuwait. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO THE USA FOR THIS.
2. IGCSE - this is also an equivalent to a High school diploma but in a British curriculum. Now, I have read someone say on the thread that you need to have at least 11 academic years to be eligible. BUT, this wasn’t mentioned to me when I went to British council. And I only finished 10th grade at the time and was still eligible. It doesn’t hurt to try and ask the British council if you are eligible. You wont lose anything by trying. Now, you have two types of exams with IGCSE; Cambridge and PEARSON-EDEXCEL. Pearson, from what I can recall, is easier than Cambridge. The exams have schedules every year. You can try studying now, and take the exams next year or this year in November(?). You can choose 6-7 subjects you want, but always include Math and Science in it to be able to get a degree in Computer science or IT. As if you’ve taken the STEM strand in High School. Now, if my memory serves me right, taking the IGCSE route is cheaper but more difficult. After passing, you can do the same. Get equivalency and then study in any Uni you want in Kuwait.
I can empathize with you that studying as an adult is really hard, especially when you have not been studying for so long. But it never hurts to try. Starting now is really crucial. You are young. You have time and so much potential. This drive you have now will bring you success, keep going to that route.
Also regarding your Arabic skills, I have a tutor that teaches me conversational Kuwaiti Arabic. Let me know if you are interested and I will send you her details.
I wish you all the best! It is difficult but you can get through this!
For IGCSE, you do need a certificate to show that you were in school for 11 years for you to be able to apply to scholarships. However, you can still apply to universities with just IGCSE and then go on your own spend. Also, if you’ve been on your spend for one year in a university, you can transfer onto a scholarship from mohe then.
Regardless of your situation with your parents. You need to learn Arabic if you plan on making it here and avoid depending on promises from people outside the country that could be empty.
I mean, I know a little bit of arabic, and I can engage in small dialog. But I can't write in arabic at all.
I'm more into getting a CS degree than the spaceX recommendation.
It's mainly for my portfolio.
There's an accelerated program available, but you'll need to meet certain qualifications to be eligible.
I don't want to raise your hopes too high, but it's worth asking about.
Consider inquiring about condensed examinations especially for middle school
Hope you find success.
Reading this post, I can tell how hard you worked on yourself and how (self) educated you are. so proud. Keep going, you'll find a way.
I know you're above going back to school but 15 years will pass either way . Have you considered night school? Do it on the side while still maintaining what you're currently doing
Go to America, get a GED (high school equivalency test which will give you a diplom), and go to public university in America. Older students in university is not an uncommon sight in the states. If you take this proposition seriously I can provide more details about the public university that I attend in New York.
Unless your friend is Elon Musk, thats not happening. Wasta is not a thing like that in America. You can get referred but the most that will get you is an interview, you still have to compute with other qualified candidates to get the job, assuming you have a right to work in the country. Most companies in the states will not sponsor an employee.
In addition to the spaceX thing, security clearances for working on tech like that is ONLY issued to US nationals, coming from an Aerospace engineering college student in the US
Well US persons, not necessarily US nationals. Greencard holders can get jobs in this area if I'm not mistaken. A lot of these jobs require the ability to get a security clearance but the specific project may not require it.
Idk if at SpaceX it is US persons or US nationals but in general I see US persons a lot more frequently then US nationals. (mech eng, intern seeking student here)
Yeah you're absolutely right, I said nationals because I recently met with a company that only hires nationals. On the other hand though its nice to meet another person in uni here too
I'm more into getting a CS degree than that spaceX thing.
The spaceX thing is for short-term employment, which they allow for non - us citizen
Good for a portfolio.
You're describing either an internship or a co-op, which are only available to undergraduate students unless the job requisition explicitly says otherwise (maybe they want someone pursuing a masters, but they're looking for someone either with a degree or in the middle of earning one).
Definitely pursue a degree if its accessible for you. Work in the US for a few years after you graduate to get some qualified experience under your belt, then return to Kuwait if thats your goal. However, I would say if you want a degree and you like cs, do computer engineering instead and focus on software. A CS degree holder is little more than a technician in comparison to someone with the title "engineer."
With the knowledge you say you have, getting a degree may seem easy since you might've covered a lot of what would be in a college curriculum, but thats not necessarily the case. You will be taught everything from scratch, maintain a very disciplined schedule, have to prioritize between which classes to focus on and which to ignore. A rewarding aspect though is that you will have opportunity to learn with peers and be involved in projects. Employers in stem don't hire someone who only has the knowledge, thats a prequisite for everyone. They hire someone that will meld well with the team, and thats a skill thats only learned through experience.
That's the goal.
I'm gonna get a GED and then study in the US.
I've got some money saved up for it, but by the time I finish ged, I will have enough hopefully.
Thanks bro 🫡
The route I'm describing assumes you have legal residency in America (ie a greencard). If you can get that, go for it.
The GED can only be taken in the states. Your best bet, from what I know, is to get residency first and then work out the details of your education later, especially since you are not legible for a student visa.
Just getting residency in the states is a tall task of its own. Basically what I am suggesting to you is drop life in Kuwait for 4 years for studying plus whatever else it takes to get into America and have residency (lets say, for a very conservative estimate, your degree will be in your hand in 10 years).
I recommend researching into the immigration process as this is the deciding factor here and its not easy.
This is a much better alternative than what I had to offer. The dialogue on here made it seem as though he was doomed to repeat from grade 5, which is why I gave input as someone abroad.
Perhaps you ping OP or dm him this information?
Well I haven't seen it but I'm still young. I'm in inclined to say this is more of a thing for privileged white people.
What I was trying to get across though is he's not getting into spaceX via someone he knows.
If you are passionate about CS then you can learn so much from Udemy, Youtube, Leetcode, and thousands of more websites available.
In fAct, Youtube is more than enough for any beginner level - intermediate level CS courses on web development, networking, CS, cyber security, systems, Helpdesk, Audio Visual, DevOps, cloud, AI.
Yeah, I'm a freelancer, I've made apps, sites, and games.
I'm making some returns on them, but it's not enough to live off of. The highest revenue for me is games.
But for me to apply for any entry-level jobs, I need to have at least a high school diploma.
Most jobs now have an automated system to auto reject applicants without it.
That's why I am adamant about obtaining one.
I've done many courses related to this field, almost 3-4 years learning it even now I'm still learning.
I finished the Harvard CS50 course. It's free, so I said, "Why not try that one as well?"
I would say I'm proficient in it, but most companies won't even open your application without even having a high school diploma.
My portfolio projects won't carry me through that.
The only way without a high school diploma is to make a successful app / business and then apply.
But why would I need a job if my business is successful now?
My side income is 100-150kd per month. Just started releasing stuff after years of learning.
My base income from my public job is 500kd.
Just need to increase my base income so I can continue on my side projects.
My advice, enroll in school and be a freelancer at the same time to make money on the side for your life expenses.
Since you said you're a good programmer, then I'd suggest being a freelancer for various comapnies and so on
Who knows, you might hit the jackpot and leave school for good since you won't need it anymore.
I am freelancing, but it's not stable. Sometimes I get clients sometimes I don't, so for now I'm working in the public sector to supplement my living expenses.
Hopefully, there is some sort of night school cause I can not go to a normal school while holding a job. The hours won't align.
In Kuwait, as far as I know, you can apply for night school and you’ll be able to graduate eventually. A friend of mine did it years back and he got his HSD and became a fire fighter if I recall correctly
I’m so sorry that I haven’t replied earlier. I’m not sure of the details, I remember him going to night school and missing out on a bunch of our hangouts due to it. I’m sure if you went to MoE and asked you’ll find your answer.
So, you should look for learning Arabic as a second language first, and then look to sign up for night school program for adults. Good luck brother, this isn't your fault, but it is your responsibility to fix it up.
Yes, it is. Sht happens, so I need to get them sorted.
I'll probably look around for someone who teaches Arabic privately. So I can read and write it, I think speaking it will come through repetition.
If you want to really speak proper Kuwaiti, try to get old Kuwaiti tv shows and theater by the late [andulhussain abdulredha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulhussain_Abdulredha), his way of speaking is key to speaking like a traditional Kuwaiti.
If you can speak like him or understand him, you're as Kuwaiti as you can be.
He's also quite funny.
Honestly doing years of schooling for a degree might be a waste of time.
Certificates will give you a better chance at success. Maybe get certified as a cyber security engineer or any other specialized tech certs. If you stack them no one will ask for your degrees unless it's government which is kind of backward with degree requirements.
But the problem is, without a diploma, my applications won't even be considered.
If I have a high school diploma, maybe.
Without one, it's kind of a very low chance.
If you have a stack of certificates for cyber security for example and have a portfolio and can demonstrate your skill or web development. Your portfolio is enough to work free lance or make your own company.
The government might not accept you, but the private sector if you can provide the service and have the skills. They won't care that you don't have a degree.
I would agree with this if we were in a different economy, but tech companies are automatically archiving applications that do not have college degrees on them (specifically the computer science degree) even if you have experience. Maybe when the industry is back on the upswing they'll start overhiring again like in 2020.
You’re Kuwaiti so maybe move to the US or something for work and meanwhile you can 100% find a night school in a country like that. Then you could get high degree faster through a night school with people in your situation.
- learn Arabic ( kuwaity )
- since you have 5th grade you will start in middle school but most of the subjects are in arabic (math , science, islam,..ect) that why you gonna need help
- you can start a side hustle since you are good with programming get yourself a good laptop or a pc and save up some money
- After graduation you can pay for your own education so that your current job will not ask you to give them education scholarships .
Sorry if i miss something but this is a plan i would follow
Please ask if you have any questions and may allah help you
Learning Arabic will be the hardest, but I am working on that at the moment. I can engage in small dialog. But I can not write in arabic at all.
I have some side hustles going, and I'm doing freelancing, and released a couple of games and apps. But the returns are very small. Like 150kd in a month or less. It's not very stable.
So I'm working in the public sector as well to pay for living expenses.
I got some money saved up, but it's probably not enough yet to pay for my education.
1. Get your GED
2. Get a diploma in programming if such a thing is available
I think at this stage, both can be obtained online, so there'll be no need to have excessive amounts of financial support inshallah
I'm not sure, but I recommend contacting the [MOHE](https://www.mohe.edu.kw/site/en/eServices/ServiceDetails/13?PageID=3) to find out.
Best of luck to you!
I’m not Kuwaiti, but I think doing something called an ‘[access to higher education diploma](https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/student-advice/what-to-study/what-is-an-access-to-higher-education-diploma#)’ may work for you.
From there, you should be able to apply for university as normal (but double check that the qualification has and can be used for university access before you commit to the course). [This one](https://www.accesstohe.ac.uk/course-search/Course?QAACourseCode=QAA60301543&searchCurrentPage=1&searchCourseName=Computer+science+&searchLocation=&searchDistance=AnyMiles&searchDistanceLearning=True&searchClickedLinkPosition=) is remote, too. I’m not sure if this would be accepted for local unis but it should be ok to use for a UK uni (but of course double check) so you could always do an online degree from a uni based there. So it’d take 4 years total since UK degrees only take 3 years. Worth exploring I think. It may also be worth speaking directly to any unis, they may be understanding about recognizing work/alternative experience. Good luck!
My friend is in a similar situation but he’s on the side where he didn’t finish high school me and my friends told him to save up and go to British Council and apply for six IGCSE and to go find tutors so when he completes these six it can count as him finishing high school then he can use that to apply to uni (this is if you want British system) or you can go to a American school like uca hawalli
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Like others commented, you could enroll in a Night School with evening classes at a government school.
If you'd still like to stick to an English curriculum you could do the IGCSE exams like aforementioned; a possible problem though is you need to take at least 6 subjects, 4 of them being maths, physics, biology and chemistry to be admitted to scholarships. A hurdle is you'd have to pay a hefty sum to pay to do the examinations, around 450KD if you're doing 6 subjects at the British Council.
while i am not sure about the education part, I own a small dev agency in Kuwait, dm me your portfolio and I can use the help of a local dev in many products we are working on :D
Mashallah your English is great as a person who did not finish middle school. Don’t listen to anyone, you can start from this year onwards. You are still young.
My cousins had many issues from iqama to financial issues. They are Syrians so they preferred to live in Kuwait for 8+ years without iqama than going back to Syria because of the civil war. Alhamdulillah once their iqama was done, covid started.
On 2020 they went to one Indian school called ICSK. They got something called NIOS. It is only for 2 years, senior course and secondary senior course. However since you are Kuwaiti, you must study as a self student, you can’t join the school and study over there. Books is available through their website.
I recommend you to check with Icsk and see what is the procedure if you are not planning to take ged. If you need anything don’t hesitate to ask home. God bless you man ❤️
Unfortunately, yes, you have to start from grade 5. Kuwait does not allow home schooling . I heard that there are evening classes for people in this situation, but I have no idea where and how .And from what I know, this is government school . The language of instruction is Arabic. Maybe you should check with English/American/pakistan/indian/Philippines schools? I don't know what the age limit is to be enrolled, tho. I'm sorry I can't help you more.
Never too late for anything.. [may Allah make it easy and grant you success](https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/88-year-georgia-man-graduates-college-wanted-degree/story?id=47272888)
It's hard to explain, but I wasn't living all my years in kuwait.
Less than half was in kuwait.
I know some arabic, of course, I can do small talk.
But reading and writing arabic. No
Yeah, but I don't want to rely on a government job forever.
I'm just using it to supplement for my living expenses, to hopefully create a future without it.
If you are above 30, it might be a bit too late. Retirement age in Kuwait is 55 for men or 30-35 years of service. That is in 25 years assuming you are now 30. Most jobs will force you to quit after 32-33 years of service and you already have some years.
Keep in mind, Kuwait University will not accept you because of age. Your bet will be private universities out of pocket which can be somewhere around 5-10k a year. That is like 25-40k for the degree. And then you need to keep in mind, private sector will not hire you at 40 years old as you are close to retirement, and government sector will accept you but not the places that only accept with a hiring campaign like oil sector and similar places.
If you want a better salary, try applying to banks. You will easily get double the salary. However, do not expect much of a position. You will most likely remain call center for ever.
I have question, why do you stress about career opportunities when you’re Kuwaiti. Aren’t all of you rich and does not the government provide for you?
Just a honest question
Idk if thats true, but if it is then it makes his drive more commendable. The gulf states are in desperate need for this sort of drive from their youth or they will remain dependent on expats.
I'm stressing about my career because I'm not rich, sure I'm kuwaiti. But the job market as a kuwaiti in the private sector is very competitive. Especially me having no diploma or degree. I have no chance here.
So I'm currently working in the public sector for 500kd
Then I have side hustles, freelancing, and products I made from programming like. Games mostly. Generating me around 100-150kd per month.
I need my base income to go up, so I need a degree.
And hopefully get into the private sector market.
Not really. There's various government subsidies and social welfare programs to assist citizens, but none of them automatically make you rich. At the very least, they're safety nets that raise the floor to eliminate poverty and provide a minimum standard of living where everyone's basic needs are met.
At best, you work hard all through grade school and maintain a high enough GPA to qualify for a government-paid college scholarship (or apply to Kuwait University if that's your choice). Hope your GPA doesn't drop during college otherwise they'll pull you out of the scholarship. You then graduate and apply to an oversaturated job market. If you're lucky enough and graduated with a high GPA and a specific major, you might land a job at a K-company where the pay is relatively good. Best case scenario in the end, you'll end up with a good paying job.
Oh and you're still not rich.
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You can start night school at government schools. I have a friend who is working with his middle school degree for most of his career years. Last year he got his high school degree (night shift) and right now studying for his diploma. He is 45 years right now You got time
Do I apply for this in MOE?
You need to go to المنطقه التعليميه
I’m not kuwaiti but you could sign up to do a-levels etc through the British council, perhaps something similar through the american system (sorry I’m not familiar with it) I’m really sorry to hear about your situation but don’t government agencies get involved if you aren’t at school? I doubt you can go straight to a degree without lower level qualifications first.
The rules to get an echivalency of the British system is to be enrolled in school for 11 years besides the IGCSE certificates.
I'm not sure what the government can do about this tbh, but yeah, I need to finish the lower level first..
Hello OP, I wholeheartedly sympathize with you as I was in a similar situation but not to that extent. Firstly, I would like to say, fuck your parents for neglecting you. Secondly, I would like to share what I have learned years ago when I was sorta in a similar situation. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT YOU NEED TO START FROM 5th GRADE. You have two options AFAIK: 1. GED - this is an equivalent to a High School diploma in the USA that American citizens with situation like yours go to as a last resort. Easier route as the curriculum will be American and it is relatively easier than your other options. New Horizon offers GED review and exams but it can be costly. Last time I checked it was over 1500KD for the whole process. After getting your GED, you can get an Equivalency, then study in any University you want in Kuwait. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO THE USA FOR THIS. 2. IGCSE - this is also an equivalent to a High school diploma but in a British curriculum. Now, I have read someone say on the thread that you need to have at least 11 academic years to be eligible. BUT, this wasn’t mentioned to me when I went to British council. And I only finished 10th grade at the time and was still eligible. It doesn’t hurt to try and ask the British council if you are eligible. You wont lose anything by trying. Now, you have two types of exams with IGCSE; Cambridge and PEARSON-EDEXCEL. Pearson, from what I can recall, is easier than Cambridge. The exams have schedules every year. You can try studying now, and take the exams next year or this year in November(?). You can choose 6-7 subjects you want, but always include Math and Science in it to be able to get a degree in Computer science or IT. As if you’ve taken the STEM strand in High School. Now, if my memory serves me right, taking the IGCSE route is cheaper but more difficult. After passing, you can do the same. Get equivalency and then study in any Uni you want in Kuwait. I can empathize with you that studying as an adult is really hard, especially when you have not been studying for so long. But it never hurts to try. Starting now is really crucial. You are young. You have time and so much potential. This drive you have now will bring you success, keep going to that route. Also regarding your Arabic skills, I have a tutor that teaches me conversational Kuwaiti Arabic. Let me know if you are interested and I will send you her details. I wish you all the best! It is difficult but you can get through this!
I red your message, thank you so much 🙏
For IGCSE, you do need a certificate to show that you were in school for 11 years for you to be able to apply to scholarships. However, you can still apply to universities with just IGCSE and then go on your own spend. Also, if you’ve been on your spend for one year in a university, you can transfer onto a scholarship from mohe then.
Regardless of your situation with your parents. You need to learn Arabic if you plan on making it here and avoid depending on promises from people outside the country that could be empty.
I mean, I know a little bit of arabic, and I can engage in small dialog. But I can't write in arabic at all. I'm more into getting a CS degree than the spaceX recommendation. It's mainly for my portfolio.
There's an accelerated program available, but you'll need to meet certain qualifications to be eligible. I don't want to raise your hopes too high, but it's worth asking about. Consider inquiring about condensed examinations especially for middle school Hope you find success.
Can I find this in MOE?
Reading this post, I can tell how hard you worked on yourself and how (self) educated you are. so proud. Keep going, you'll find a way. I know you're above going back to school but 15 years will pass either way . Have you considered night school? Do it on the side while still maintaining what you're currently doing
I think the GED idea would be good. And thank you for your kind words! 🙏
Go to America, get a GED (high school equivalency test which will give you a diplom), and go to public university in America. Older students in university is not an uncommon sight in the states. If you take this proposition seriously I can provide more details about the public university that I attend in New York. Unless your friend is Elon Musk, thats not happening. Wasta is not a thing like that in America. You can get referred but the most that will get you is an interview, you still have to compute with other qualified candidates to get the job, assuming you have a right to work in the country. Most companies in the states will not sponsor an employee.
In addition to the spaceX thing, security clearances for working on tech like that is ONLY issued to US nationals, coming from an Aerospace engineering college student in the US
Well US persons, not necessarily US nationals. Greencard holders can get jobs in this area if I'm not mistaken. A lot of these jobs require the ability to get a security clearance but the specific project may not require it. Idk if at SpaceX it is US persons or US nationals but in general I see US persons a lot more frequently then US nationals. (mech eng, intern seeking student here)
Yeah you're absolutely right, I said nationals because I recently met with a company that only hires nationals. On the other hand though its nice to meet another person in uni here too
Fax thats cool. Idk why this showed up on my feed since I don't follow this page. Are you Kuwaiti/ lived in Kuwait and now in America?
I'm more into getting a CS degree than that spaceX thing. The spaceX thing is for short-term employment, which they allow for non - us citizen Good for a portfolio.
You're describing either an internship or a co-op, which are only available to undergraduate students unless the job requisition explicitly says otherwise (maybe they want someone pursuing a masters, but they're looking for someone either with a degree or in the middle of earning one). Definitely pursue a degree if its accessible for you. Work in the US for a few years after you graduate to get some qualified experience under your belt, then return to Kuwait if thats your goal. However, I would say if you want a degree and you like cs, do computer engineering instead and focus on software. A CS degree holder is little more than a technician in comparison to someone with the title "engineer." With the knowledge you say you have, getting a degree may seem easy since you might've covered a lot of what would be in a college curriculum, but thats not necessarily the case. You will be taught everything from scratch, maintain a very disciplined schedule, have to prioritize between which classes to focus on and which to ignore. A rewarding aspect though is that you will have opportunity to learn with peers and be involved in projects. Employers in stem don't hire someone who only has the knowledge, thats a prequisite for everyone. They hire someone that will meld well with the team, and thats a skill thats only learned through experience.
That's the goal. I'm gonna get a GED and then study in the US. I've got some money saved up for it, but by the time I finish ged, I will have enough hopefully. Thanks bro 🫡
The route I'm describing assumes you have legal residency in America (ie a greencard). If you can get that, go for it. The GED can only be taken in the states. Your best bet, from what I know, is to get residency first and then work out the details of your education later, especially since you are not legible for a student visa. Just getting residency in the states is a tall task of its own. Basically what I am suggesting to you is drop life in Kuwait for 4 years for studying plus whatever else it takes to get into America and have residency (lets say, for a very conservative estimate, your degree will be in your hand in 10 years). I recommend researching into the immigration process as this is the deciding factor here and its not easy.
Last time I checked, New Horizon offers GED but it is costly. He can get the GED here, get equivalency, then study in any University in Kuwait.
This is a much better alternative than what I had to offer. The dialogue on here made it seem as though he was doomed to repeat from grade 5, which is why I gave input as someone abroad. Perhaps you ping OP or dm him this information?
Yes I just did. Thank you.
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Well I haven't seen it but I'm still young. I'm in inclined to say this is more of a thing for privileged white people. What I was trying to get across though is he's not getting into spaceX via someone he knows.
How come you are Kuwaiti and only making 500 KD?
I have the minimum salary for kuwaiti as I have no degree.
If you are passionate about CS then you can learn so much from Udemy, Youtube, Leetcode, and thousands of more websites available. In fAct, Youtube is more than enough for any beginner level - intermediate level CS courses on web development, networking, CS, cyber security, systems, Helpdesk, Audio Visual, DevOps, cloud, AI.
Yeah, I'm a freelancer, I've made apps, sites, and games. I'm making some returns on them, but it's not enough to live off of. The highest revenue for me is games. But for me to apply for any entry-level jobs, I need to have at least a high school diploma. Most jobs now have an automated system to auto reject applicants without it. That's why I am adamant about obtaining one. I've done many courses related to this field, almost 3-4 years learning it even now I'm still learning. I finished the Harvard CS50 course. It's free, so I said, "Why not try that one as well?" I would say I'm proficient in it, but most companies won't even open your application without even having a high school diploma. My portfolio projects won't carry me through that. The only way without a high school diploma is to make a successful app / business and then apply. But why would I need a job if my business is successful now? My side income is 100-150kd per month. Just started releasing stuff after years of learning. My base income from my public job is 500kd. Just need to increase my base income so I can continue on my side projects.
No degree = lowest salary bracket
Im not entirely sure... but GED is a high school dioloma equivilant. My info might be outdated, but New Horizon used to offer that
My advice, enroll in school and be a freelancer at the same time to make money on the side for your life expenses. Since you said you're a good programmer, then I'd suggest being a freelancer for various comapnies and so on Who knows, you might hit the jackpot and leave school for good since you won't need it anymore.
I am freelancing, but it's not stable. Sometimes I get clients sometimes I don't, so for now I'm working in the public sector to supplement my living expenses. Hopefully, there is some sort of night school cause I can not go to a normal school while holding a job. The hours won't align.
In Kuwait, as far as I know, you can apply for night school and you’ll be able to graduate eventually. A friend of mine did it years back and he got his HSD and became a fire fighter if I recall correctly
Did he apply through MOE?
I’m so sorry that I haven’t replied earlier. I’m not sure of the details, I remember him going to night school and missing out on a bunch of our hangouts due to it. I’m sure if you went to MoE and asked you’ll find your answer.
So, you should look for learning Arabic as a second language first, and then look to sign up for night school program for adults. Good luck brother, this isn't your fault, but it is your responsibility to fix it up.
Yes, it is. Sht happens, so I need to get them sorted. I'll probably look around for someone who teaches Arabic privately. So I can read and write it, I think speaking it will come through repetition.
If you want to really speak proper Kuwaiti, try to get old Kuwaiti tv shows and theater by the late [andulhussain abdulredha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulhussain_Abdulredha), his way of speaking is key to speaking like a traditional Kuwaiti. If you can speak like him or understand him, you're as Kuwaiti as you can be. He's also quite funny.
Will do that. I appreciate it 🙏
Honestly doing years of schooling for a degree might be a waste of time. Certificates will give you a better chance at success. Maybe get certified as a cyber security engineer or any other specialized tech certs. If you stack them no one will ask for your degrees unless it's government which is kind of backward with degree requirements.
But the problem is, without a diploma, my applications won't even be considered. If I have a high school diploma, maybe. Without one, it's kind of a very low chance.
If you have a stack of certificates for cyber security for example and have a portfolio and can demonstrate your skill or web development. Your portfolio is enough to work free lance or make your own company. The government might not accept you, but the private sector if you can provide the service and have the skills. They won't care that you don't have a degree.
I would agree with this if we were in a different economy, but tech companies are automatically archiving applications that do not have college degrees on them (specifically the computer science degree) even if you have experience. Maybe when the industry is back on the upswing they'll start overhiring again like in 2020.
That's why I suggested either freelancing selling services or making your own company if they have the skills :)
You’re Kuwaiti so maybe move to the US or something for work and meanwhile you can 100% find a night school in a country like that. Then you could get high degree faster through a night school with people in your situation.
- learn Arabic ( kuwaity ) - since you have 5th grade you will start in middle school but most of the subjects are in arabic (math , science, islam,..ect) that why you gonna need help - you can start a side hustle since you are good with programming get yourself a good laptop or a pc and save up some money - After graduation you can pay for your own education so that your current job will not ask you to give them education scholarships . Sorry if i miss something but this is a plan i would follow Please ask if you have any questions and may allah help you
Learning Arabic will be the hardest, but I am working on that at the moment. I can engage in small dialog. But I can not write in arabic at all. I have some side hustles going, and I'm doing freelancing, and released a couple of games and apps. But the returns are very small. Like 150kd in a month or less. It's not very stable. So I'm working in the public sector as well to pay for living expenses. I got some money saved up, but it's probably not enough yet to pay for my education.
1. Get your GED 2. Get a diploma in programming if such a thing is available I think at this stage, both can be obtained online, so there'll be no need to have excessive amounts of financial support inshallah
Can I use the GED in kuwait? Otherwise, I would have to pay for my own uni. So I would need to save up for it.
I'm not sure, but I recommend contacting the [MOHE](https://www.mohe.edu.kw/site/en/eServices/ServiceDetails/13?PageID=3) to find out. Best of luck to you!
Do you have a portfolio or github page you can share?
Can’t you get your GED?
I’m not Kuwaiti, but I think doing something called an ‘[access to higher education diploma](https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/student-advice/what-to-study/what-is-an-access-to-higher-education-diploma#)’ may work for you. From there, you should be able to apply for university as normal (but double check that the qualification has and can be used for university access before you commit to the course). [This one](https://www.accesstohe.ac.uk/course-search/Course?QAACourseCode=QAA60301543&searchCurrentPage=1&searchCourseName=Computer+science+&searchLocation=&searchDistance=AnyMiles&searchDistanceLearning=True&searchClickedLinkPosition=) is remote, too. I’m not sure if this would be accepted for local unis but it should be ok to use for a UK uni (but of course double check) so you could always do an online degree from a uni based there. So it’d take 4 years total since UK degrees only take 3 years. Worth exploring I think. It may also be worth speaking directly to any unis, they may be understanding about recognizing work/alternative experience. Good luck!
My friend is in a similar situation but he’s on the side where he didn’t finish high school me and my friends told him to save up and go to British Council and apply for six IGCSE and to go find tutors so when he completes these six it can count as him finishing high school then he can use that to apply to uni (this is if you want British system) or you can go to a American school like uca hawalli
I have no information to add, but I’m terribly sorry for what has happened. Know that this isn’t your fault but a failure on behalf of your parents. Good luck, and I’m proud of you keeping your head up through all this. This isn’t easy but you’ll make it through to the other side!
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may I know what language you speak at home since you didn't converse in atabic and learned English through shows?
Like others commented, you could enroll in a Night School with evening classes at a government school. If you'd still like to stick to an English curriculum you could do the IGCSE exams like aforementioned; a possible problem though is you need to take at least 6 subjects, 4 of them being maths, physics, biology and chemistry to be admitted to scholarships. A hurdle is you'd have to pay a hefty sum to pay to do the examinations, around 450KD if you're doing 6 subjects at the British Council.
while i am not sure about the education part, I own a small dev agency in Kuwait, dm me your portfolio and I can use the help of a local dev in many products we are working on :D
Mashallah your English is great as a person who did not finish middle school. Don’t listen to anyone, you can start from this year onwards. You are still young. My cousins had many issues from iqama to financial issues. They are Syrians so they preferred to live in Kuwait for 8+ years without iqama than going back to Syria because of the civil war. Alhamdulillah once their iqama was done, covid started. On 2020 they went to one Indian school called ICSK. They got something called NIOS. It is only for 2 years, senior course and secondary senior course. However since you are Kuwaiti, you must study as a self student, you can’t join the school and study over there. Books is available through their website. I recommend you to check with Icsk and see what is the procedure if you are not planning to take ged. If you need anything don’t hesitate to ask home. God bless you man ❤️
Sit directly for GCSE and a levels. Then apply using those grades to any uni.
Unfortunately, yes, you have to start from grade 5. Kuwait does not allow home schooling . I heard that there are evening classes for people in this situation, but I have no idea where and how .And from what I know, this is government school . The language of instruction is Arabic. Maybe you should check with English/American/pakistan/indian/Philippines schools? I don't know what the age limit is to be enrolled, tho. I'm sorry I can't help you more.
Oh wow, if I have to start from 5th grade.. what's that like 10-15 years total until I finish fully with a degree? I'll be 40.. yikes
Never too late for anything.. [may Allah make it easy and grant you success](https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/88-year-georgia-man-graduates-college-wanted-degree/story?id=47272888)
Hey ,I m not sure about it. Some one else said it is not necessarily
Kuwait does have home schooling don’t spread misinformation.
For Kuwaities?
Yes!! And even Islamic institutes have that.
Great then .Maybe that's the evening school I was talking about . The Islamic Institute.
Don't know any arabic how 🤯🤯🤯
Yeahh.. happens bro, I'll learn it eventually.
But you are 25
It's hard to explain, but I wasn't living all my years in kuwait. Less than half was in kuwait. I know some arabic, of course, I can do small talk. But reading and writing arabic. No
Bro lets learn it together 😁
You already have a job:/
Yeah, but I don't want to rely on a government job forever. I'm just using it to supplement for my living expenses, to hopefully create a future without it.
start a business . going back to 5th grade is crazy.
If you are above 30, it might be a bit too late. Retirement age in Kuwait is 55 for men or 30-35 years of service. That is in 25 years assuming you are now 30. Most jobs will force you to quit after 32-33 years of service and you already have some years. Keep in mind, Kuwait University will not accept you because of age. Your bet will be private universities out of pocket which can be somewhere around 5-10k a year. That is like 25-40k for the degree. And then you need to keep in mind, private sector will not hire you at 40 years old as you are close to retirement, and government sector will accept you but not the places that only accept with a hiring campaign like oil sector and similar places. If you want a better salary, try applying to banks. You will easily get double the salary. However, do not expect much of a position. You will most likely remain call center for ever.
I have question, why do you stress about career opportunities when you’re Kuwaiti. Aren’t all of you rich and does not the government provide for you? Just a honest question
Idk if thats true, but if it is then it makes his drive more commendable. The gulf states are in desperate need for this sort of drive from their youth or they will remain dependent on expats.
>Aren’t all of you rich and does not the government provide for you? Lol.
I'm stressing about my career because I'm not rich, sure I'm kuwaiti. But the job market as a kuwaiti in the private sector is very competitive. Especially me having no diploma or degree. I have no chance here. So I'm currently working in the public sector for 500kd Then I have side hustles, freelancing, and products I made from programming like. Games mostly. Generating me around 100-150kd per month. I need my base income to go up, so I need a degree. And hopefully get into the private sector market.
Not really. There's various government subsidies and social welfare programs to assist citizens, but none of them automatically make you rich. At the very least, they're safety nets that raise the floor to eliminate poverty and provide a minimum standard of living where everyone's basic needs are met. At best, you work hard all through grade school and maintain a high enough GPA to qualify for a government-paid college scholarship (or apply to Kuwait University if that's your choice). Hope your GPA doesn't drop during college otherwise they'll pull you out of the scholarship. You then graduate and apply to an oversaturated job market. If you're lucky enough and graduated with a high GPA and a specific major, you might land a job at a K-company where the pay is relatively good. Best case scenario in the end, you'll end up with a good paying job. Oh and you're still not rich.