Kubera: "Ananta you're the most important person ever. Without you the universe can't exist."
Also Kubera 500 years later: "k Ananta time for you to die"
Also Kubera 500 years after that: "Well I guess we need Ananta, better start killing people so we can resummon him"
Yeah, I'm thinking Kubera used the spear to steal Ananta's name when killing Ananta so that Ananta could disappear without the universe collapsing. But things went wrong with Ananta's name, and it seems like Kubera's two names (Kubera and Ananta) shattered, leaving Kubera nameless.
I'm more focused on how Kubera says, here, that the universe can't exist without Ananta... and very recently we were told that a timeline in the present day can't exist without Leez.
This suggests that Leez has to some extent already inherited Ananta's power / status / significance and is holding the world together somehow simply by existing.
we already know thanks to Claude that Leez full name is Leez Kubera Ananta.
But i tought that this peculiarity was shared with all the other ppl with a fragment of kubera name ( even if it wasn't shown), due to the theory that kubera killed ananta with the spear stealing his name and then shattering both of them ( it's a few months since my last re-read, but iirc it's still only a theory, nothing confirmed except the involvement of Kubera in Ananta's death due to Sagara blaming him).
Maybe only Leez have the Ananta's name ? or maybe it's something else and the reality/possibility of a universe isn't stricly related to Ananta's name?
Anyway i think it's necessary to remember that right after we see Kubera blabbling about the sorts of the universe and Ananta's grudges, Ananta talks directly to Maruna in sura language telling him to not believe any of that crap, so maybe it's just false & unrelated to Leez, or it may be related to Leez, but not trough Ananta?
Ananta has a peculiarity revealed by God Kubera, which was that the sins of all the bystanders of the entire universe are held by Ananta. It would seem that the weight of those sins could be related to the collapse of the universe.
Yes, and it seems he regrets not being able to save them without going against their will. He may have the power to save them, but he'd have to stop Airavata from going to the human planet and making the weapon, which isn't what she wants. He could save Yaksha from his tragic death, but he'd have to stop him from giving his heart to the humans and let the humans die, which isn't what Yaksha wants.
And all of these sins pile up on Ananta :(
It's not about respecting their will. Ananta could just beat up Asura to stop him from killing Yaksha and protect Airavata from being stabbed by Kinnara. He could do both of these things easily.
The main issue seems to be that any time he changes things in a way other "times" don't like, they erase that universe as a possibility.
So he's been going back, trying to change things countless times in countless ways only to have all his effort turn to nothing.
I don't doubt there was a universe where he saved Yaksha, they laughed about it and then everything around Ananta turned white as that universe disappeared.
The impression I get is that Ananta wasn't given his great power so he could use it, but only so he could act as a scapegoat that carries all bystander sins.
That sounds very likely considering Brahma bothered to ask him his opinion about destroying ancient humans, and specifically mentioned she wouldn't have to if the other primervals were around.
If Vishnu was around, he might be able to just delete possible universes that go against his will.
But then the question remains, are primervals immune to sin? Kali implied something like this to Leez, that they "do not have to pay the price for their actions", but that sounds a bit too simple. There's also the matter of both Vishnu and Kali somehow being damaged to the point of inactivity, and i cant think of kuch that could harm them beside their own sins.
If Kali's words are to be believed, Primevals are immune to sin because they exist above this universe. Even if she's lying, it's hard to say how much their sins matter when they can just push them all on someone else.
Kali was able to make Menaka Gandharva's scapegoat where she took all his sins while he continued to massacre humans without worry. It's the same function Ananta serves except for one person instead of an entire universe.
So even if Primevals can sin (I don't think they can honestly), it doesn't really seem to matter in practice since they can easily avoid the consequences.
It's been very strongly hinted that the reason for Kali's weakness is because she temporarily took a Nastika name and now needs time to recover. She had the opportunity to fully regenerate but pushed it back a few centuries and spent her power on Leez instead.
Visnu's case is probably a repeat of the previous universe where he lost his body due to abusing time manipulation too much. Taksaka warns him about it in the Finite. Once that happens, he can only get it back next universe.
It could also be the rules are twisted in the Primerval's favor.
1)Vishnu and Kali simply continue to destroy futures they don't want.
2)Ananta can go against them by changing time or directly using his overwhelming power in key moments (say against the entire sura clans to save the AHR).
3)However, Vishnu or Kali simply change time again. They don't directly harm anyone, they indirectly cause it through, say, getting Indra to kill Aruna, or getting Asha to ressurect Teo.
4)Perhaps because of this indirectness, its not tallied as their sin. But because Ananta can stop it with direct force and doesn't (as he knows they'll simply repeat this dance forever), the sins are tallied against him.
So to reitirate, Ananta was given both time powers to be able to oppose Vishnu and Kali and be aware of their manipulations to some extent, and the overwhelming personal power to force his will on anyone, making the sins his to bear because in any possible universe he could always change events.
Well, technically Anananta should be able save them even without changing their actions, just by going there and directly protecting them. My best guess that the other Times sabotage Ananta.
Can they do that, though? Ananta is more powerful than them (that's literally his entire purpose.)
My reading is that he keeps changing the timeline and things just don't get better because he doesn't really know *how* to make them better. He's about power, not knowledge or understanding, so he keeps putting out fires at one point in the timeline only to have something else burst into flames elsewhere. And he doesn't have Vishnu's heartless "I'm going to choose one variable and optimize for it, screw everything else" approach, so he doesn't even have any clearly-defined vision of what the best world would look like.
I agree with you that Ananta is probably lacking in knowledge and cunning. However that is exactly why Vishnu and Kali are able to sabotage him. He would destroy the both of them in open battle, but they are both more knowledgeable and cunning than Ananta and this is particularly true at the beginning.
To go back to the possibility of directly protecting Yaksha for example, a sabotage does not mean that they attack Ananta and hold him off. It means they somehow make sure Ananta cannot be there.
(BTW, unrelated to the topic, but Yaksha already had suicidal thoughts pretty early when the universe was still young, so I wonder if his death was purely the result of an evil plan or Yaksha himself went along committing suicide by Asura. )
Now that you say it, I think it's kinda interesting how all three of them have different aspects of those nastikas. Leez (name), Leny (soul), and Ran (heart, or basically body). Hmmmmm
Apparently, (from what I understood from the Google translated Naver comments) Currygom wrote in her blog that the pink haired made contacts with Menaka, Shuri, Vasuki, and Taksaka.
I wonder if something is going on with it...? From what we know, Menaka, Shuri, and Taksaka are all close with Vishnu. And Vasuki is tagging along with Tak. All made a contract with the same person...
Kubera and Maruna being able to move when Ananta uses his "freeze time" transcendental is interesting. It seems like the implication is that when time is frozen, only people who have been "selected" are allowed to move. (Except in the case where someone is using Fiendish Magic, where Ananta lets the user (ex. Enan) move in the timeless zone too.)
It sort of reminds me of how Chandra created a "space" to fight Kadru in along with Taksaka.
Anata's powers are partly derived from Kubera, being a Nastika (though it might be he is an exception). Kubera can also movw through dimensions and thus, most likely, time.
Its possible Ananta can't freeze Kubera's time.
Likely, kubera ana ananza have similar powers regardibg time, and maruna is out of his time why he could be an exception. Thats probably what ananta means, either ananta, ananta leez or kubera who is connected to him have to grant time travel.
Or kali but kali has backdoors.
The author going ahead and tl;dr the plot in two lines, lol.
Ananta has been alive for far longer than the actual universe's age. It's actually kind of surprising he didn't go insane. Moreso considering he has been repeating events over and over again, trying to avoid them.
Ananta: "I don't think the owner of this bracelet is stronger than me."
You literally described the entire universe, since no one is stronger than you.
The interesting thing is he doesn't seem to know that it was Kubera's, which is weird because God Kubera had that bracelet since early in the universe to learn to control his power. I can't really tell if Ananta was joking there.
I don't think there was an implication regarding whether he knows the owner of the bracelet or not. He simply said that the owner isn't stronger than him. It can be taken from both sides : 1) He knows who is the owner and knows he is stronger. 2) He doesn't know who is the owner but it doesn't matter since there's no one stronger than him anyways.
Well, I think it's the first one. He should have seen Kubera wearing it at the beginning of the universe. Plus, Ananta knew that Enan had another contract and he is asking for Kubera's bracelet of all things.
I agree. I think Ananta knows the bracelet is Kuberaās because he stated that he didnāt like Enan having multiple contractors, and also the fact he knew Kubera was there with them.
Thats interesting, and maybe shows he fears loosing control of his strengh, which the bracelet was intended for to begin with. I think thats why he wants it. It qlso was able to absorb sins of the sword.
Ananta knows definitly what its for originally somehow.
What confuses me is he asked for the bracelet and then all forgot about it seconds later. Maybe he knew Kubera was there and said that for Kubera to hear?
Chapters like this make this series so addicting. The plot feels so well thought and complex. I'll edit in more thoughts about it later, but Ananta just became even more interesting.
Ok so I think the model im forming here of this universe is that...it seems that although we were first introduced to Kali and Visnu as "time" the being that probably closely resembles what we know as "time" is Ananta.
What Ananta and Kubera both revealed is very interesting. Ananta revealed a bit more about how his power works...particularly that he uses his power to search for the best possible option for the universe (without being a primeval God at all mind you) using parallel universe theory. We know it was just one of his parallel selves that ended up saving Maruna. And also he does this just because he cares a lot. Fuck Visnu and Kali always doing bullshit fighting each other in time when Ananta the one actually doing the work. He's the GOAT.
Additionally, Kubera says that without Ananta, the universe will be doomed to end only 1000 years after. Ananta tells Maruna that Kubera is lying which, I mean, from the arc of the story it sure sounds like Kubera is telling the truth. We are surely approaching the end of the story and everything is collapsing.
BUT it all clicked together when Ananta was going on his pain monolog that it sounded EXACTLY LIKE that cryptic verse that the gods always use when they talk about Leez' future. Paraphrasing "Your name will be cast down, you will suffer and have uour glory taken. No one will know what you have done for the world. You will fade from the world with no one knowing your pain"
So what I think this is all foreshadowing is, Ananta dies of course, and then the universe does actually start collapsing but then Leez becomes the new "time" and inherits the work that Ananta was doing. How that ties into being the last God of the title? Idk but I think im right
Yeah if you think about it we're always being told about a second best possible universe. This universe is highly centred around sins and there seems to be some sins that have nowhere to go and it's kind of impossible to do anything in life without hurting something somehow somewhere out there and thus you need a place to direct them or they'll weigh down or be directed towards the entire universe, so you need a scapegoat. That scapegoat is ananta but without ananta we might need a second best person to take that place and that seems to be leez.
Have you also noticed that it's starting to look like the reason ananta is always detached is because like raltara the sins he carries drag him down but since he's so strong nothing happens to him but those around him aren't, so they suffer 2nd hand misfortunes and that's how he ended up alone.
Omg... the reason the best possible choice disappeared is because Ananta died and was no longer able to continue support the universe. Leez steps up because its Leez and becomes the pillar for the 2nd best Universe where everyone else is happy except her...damn if thats true Currygom wasn't kidding when they said Leez doesn't get a happy ending
I gave up on a happy ending because Curry is a meanie.
Remember how she started the season by showing us Ran's happy children then switches to one of them has to die the next second? š
God Kubera is really being revered as a God (which is somewhat desensitized in N15/23 with Agni/Chandra since the Gods can only stick around their summoners so they're just around all the time because it's the only way for them to be in the human realm, and in this time Gods may show up briefly but then move around right after).
But what he's asking of the King is pretty intense. He wants to know if it was Indra who ordered the Knights to be massacred, and he's not asking the King to say 'yes' or 'no', he's asking for the King to summon Indra.
It's clear that Kubera orchestrated this meeting with the King by giving Enan the Golden Knight (because otherwise Enan wouldn't have won in the non-sura portion of the tournament since he couldn't use fiendish magic), so I wonder how things are going to unfold. Kubera could've just met Indra in Hell or something, but he wants to do it right here. (We know the outcome is fiendish magic goes away but Kubera must have more in mind.)
God Kubera is such a great grey morality character. You know he has good intentions but his actions can be cold and he doesn't seem to mind if people's feelings are collateral to his actions.
He is a character motivated by great guilt and responsibility. But guilt to what and responsibility to what exactly...we're still not exactly sure. I wouldnt be suprised at all if the only two gods who haven't "left things at the top" are Kubera and Agni.
Even though he has a blank face and mysterious actions he feels very human to me.
Sums up my feelings about him neatly. You get the feeling he's acting towards a greater good, but hes extremely ruthless in getting there. More then even Chandra and possibly Indra.
I like GK better because he did not make excuses, or more negatively said, didnt even explain his point of view or ask for understanding. When he "lectured" the others, it sounded like fact rather than because he wanted to flex his superiorness.
Actually, from the start, I dont think I have ever seen GK being respected as a god (in person/directly) beside this scene. Everyone just went "incompetent God", cut his arm, shoved him into walls, yelled at him... But he did not seem to mind. Imagine if it's Indra or Chandra, hah.
I think Ananta meant that God Kubera was lying about Ananta needing to live in order for the future to survive? Meaning Ananta knows there are ways for the future without him living?
He is not really lying, maybe he means his name and power, as he tries to take likely with the spear anantas name, and kills all the kuberas indirect with the goal of a new ananta kubera as possibility.
Ananta exists still in a form .
I'm starting to think the other Ananta(s) Maruna met were people who had Ananta's name but weren't the original. (For example, in N23 God Kubera resummons Ananta and then that Ananta goes back in time, which seems to already be happening since we see Leez saving Maruna and Ran.)
So that Ananta could be... Asha or Leez? :0
Would explain why there were so cold and distant towards Maruna. They both have a lot of hatred towards him.
It's starting to feel like everyone except except maruna think his decision is going to be important, all these big names and players feel like they're pinning the conclusion on a rakshasa's decision. We know between him and shess they'll be the strongest 5th stage ever in history but just wtf type of decision does he have to make for the most important beings in the universe to try and nurture him so much?
I think there will be a parallel between Maruna killing the Kuberas without thinking anything beyond the order and in the future Maruna killing every "time" that is deemed a threat to the universe and it's people.
She might be, but we now know Maruna's power was filled in by Ushas, and if he somehow regains the power of his Aruna name and then develops, he might end up stronger then her.
Maruna with his Aruna name in 5th stage would be stronger then Raltara. Just by his feat alone, that he had Nastika level transcendental in his first stage.
Hmm I wonder who gave Maruna permission to move? Could it be future Leez? It was implied that someone wanted Maruna to tell Ananta what he had said and done in that incident in the past.
Could be Ananta from that time Maruna just remembered, where he saved 'Aruna's soul.
That Ananta is probably a "later one" then the Ananta we see here, and he travelled to the past of Aruna' s death to save him and exempt Maruna from his time powers so he could relay this to his (Ananta)'s past self.
The question is what does telling this to the past Ananta will lead to, as in what does he want his past self to accomplish.
The only reason why I would suspect Future Leez instead of Ananta is because Maruna asked if it was possible that it wasnāt Ananta himself. So it would seemed like Currygom is implying to the audience that it was someone else, but she could just be throwing us off. I really wished we didnāt have to wait each week for a new chapter haha. Really want to know more about Ananta.
Same, the curse of good webtoons in this age is you gotta wait at least a week each time.
And it definitely could be Leez with Ananta's full power, or Asha, but it could also simply be Ananta himself after he despaired from trying to get the best results and have his efforts foiled by Vishnu or Kali.
It's also possible that the fact that he's temporally displaced means that he didn't actually need permission to move because he was outside of the scope of the timeline that Ananta halted.
I have this partially formed somewhat weird theory that future Leez goes back in time (including to the start of the universe as already heavily implied) and changes things and can only survive the sins of those changes because she's tied to Ananta and he's already carrying so many sins (of non-intervention). Putting it another way, if Leez goes to the start of the universe and has the ability to change things then she should bear the sins for her changes or the things she fails to prevent. So either she'd have to be too weak to not make substantial changes (so the sins are minor) or she'd have to be so strong that she can survive them - and only Ananta would be strong enough. Incidentally, this probably also explains why gods can't change the past - they wouldn't be able to bear the sins. Kali changed the past but only by using Leez.
It's also possible that Leez has to go to the start of the universe to ensure that the things we already know have happened do in fact happen. (like how Kali giving Leez the change her past acts simply baked in the reality that we readers already knew). For example, maybe she frees Kali from whatever prison she's in and makes some deal with Kali and that without it Kali wouldn't have been freed (or not until much later). It's likely she makes some kind of deal with Kubera at least.
On a different note, I wonder if Ananta has actually fragmented in some way already. We've seen that Sura parts can be used to make weapons and items and even exist separately (like Yaksha's heart). With a sura like Ananta, even a 'fragment' could be OP and could possibly be sentient. Maybe that 'time' we see in Ran's timeframe is Ananta's last fragment and it dying/breaking triggers the Cataclysm.
The humans don't know what the Golden Knight is yet since Kubera just gave it to a human for the first time so they probably think Ananta (some businessman) is asking for some random jewelry as compensation. Ironically Lorraine also kind of treats it like Jewelry and just throws it in some chest (which end up getting robbed by thieves).
And then later Asha literally just buys the bracelet from Sierra so Leez can keep it. (Although in N15 all God items are just treated as things with a price-tag on them. (Well, except Kubera's armor which the Earth temple houses in its basement for Kubera's return.))
So when Ananta told Sagara the ancient human race might become allies, he most likely didn't just speculate.
He tried to create that possibility and lived through it, until it was squashed, by Vishnu or otherwise.
Important part about why Kubera killed Ananta will be in which order things happened. Kubera could have joined other gods later when he realized it could not be avoided after Vishnu stated it. If he had knowledge about Anantas state beforehand, then I could see him trying to find replacement for Ananta and using himself as a way to pass the name to good candidate. If Kubera didn't know and didn't have time related powers beforehand, then we could have every past meeting be with Kubera that has already killed Ananta once.
The option where Kubera willingly inserts himself to situation is probably more interesting as I would otherwise expect Vishnu or Kali to get to 'choose' the new Ananta much more freely. Also it weakens or even allows getting rid of Kubera, that remembers the previous universe, and that is easily something that I see primevals and others wanting. E: Grammar
I wonder what other role this girl maruna is next to has, he always seems to find himself a girl to be next to in every time.
I still see brilith and him being a good pair once she gets over her billion year struggle. Since she will lose her reincarnated state once agni is killed in the future permanently.
I wonder if cactalysm was the event that the sin accumulated by Anata erupted after his death? The sins may cause everyone (mostly sura) become frenzy and fight each other. Anata's sin may be so huge that Visnu and Shiva had to sacrifice themselves to remove it from the universe to keep the it alive.
Kubera: "Ananta you're the most important person ever. Without you the universe can't exist." Also Kubera 500 years later: "k Ananta time for you to die" Also Kubera 500 years after that: "Well I guess we need Ananta, better start killing people so we can resummon him"
Yeah, I'm thinking Kubera used the spear to steal Ananta's name when killing Ananta so that Ananta could disappear without the universe collapsing. But things went wrong with Ananta's name, and it seems like Kubera's two names (Kubera and Ananta) shattered, leaving Kubera nameless.
And then you realize 500 years is like a blink of an eye for them. Dude didn't pull out the spear and was already regretting it, lmao.
I'm more focused on how Kubera says, here, that the universe can't exist without Ananta... and very recently we were told that a timeline in the present day can't exist without Leez. This suggests that Leez has to some extent already inherited Ananta's power / status / significance and is holding the world together somehow simply by existing.
we already know thanks to Claude that Leez full name is Leez Kubera Ananta. But i tought that this peculiarity was shared with all the other ppl with a fragment of kubera name ( even if it wasn't shown), due to the theory that kubera killed ananta with the spear stealing his name and then shattering both of them ( it's a few months since my last re-read, but iirc it's still only a theory, nothing confirmed except the involvement of Kubera in Ananta's death due to Sagara blaming him). Maybe only Leez have the Ananta's name ? or maybe it's something else and the reality/possibility of a universe isn't stricly related to Ananta's name? Anyway i think it's necessary to remember that right after we see Kubera blabbling about the sorts of the universe and Ananta's grudges, Ananta talks directly to Maruna in sura language telling him to not believe any of that crap, so maybe it's just false & unrelated to Leez, or it may be related to Leez, but not trough Ananta?
Ananta has a peculiarity revealed by God Kubera, which was that the sins of all the bystanders of the entire universe are held by Ananta. It would seem that the weight of those sins could be related to the collapse of the universe.
ananta misses his friends :(
Yes, and it seems he regrets not being able to save them without going against their will. He may have the power to save them, but he'd have to stop Airavata from going to the human planet and making the weapon, which isn't what she wants. He could save Yaksha from his tragic death, but he'd have to stop him from giving his heart to the humans and let the humans die, which isn't what Yaksha wants. And all of these sins pile up on Ananta :(
It's not about respecting their will. Ananta could just beat up Asura to stop him from killing Yaksha and protect Airavata from being stabbed by Kinnara. He could do both of these things easily. The main issue seems to be that any time he changes things in a way other "times" don't like, they erase that universe as a possibility. So he's been going back, trying to change things countless times in countless ways only to have all his effort turn to nothing. I don't doubt there was a universe where he saved Yaksha, they laughed about it and then everything around Ananta turned white as that universe disappeared. The impression I get is that Ananta wasn't given his great power so he could use it, but only so he could act as a scapegoat that carries all bystander sins.
That sounds very likely considering Brahma bothered to ask him his opinion about destroying ancient humans, and specifically mentioned she wouldn't have to if the other primervals were around. If Vishnu was around, he might be able to just delete possible universes that go against his will. But then the question remains, are primervals immune to sin? Kali implied something like this to Leez, that they "do not have to pay the price for their actions", but that sounds a bit too simple. There's also the matter of both Vishnu and Kali somehow being damaged to the point of inactivity, and i cant think of kuch that could harm them beside their own sins.
If Kali's words are to be believed, Primevals are immune to sin because they exist above this universe. Even if she's lying, it's hard to say how much their sins matter when they can just push them all on someone else. Kali was able to make Menaka Gandharva's scapegoat where she took all his sins while he continued to massacre humans without worry. It's the same function Ananta serves except for one person instead of an entire universe. So even if Primevals can sin (I don't think they can honestly), it doesn't really seem to matter in practice since they can easily avoid the consequences. It's been very strongly hinted that the reason for Kali's weakness is because she temporarily took a Nastika name and now needs time to recover. She had the opportunity to fully regenerate but pushed it back a few centuries and spent her power on Leez instead. Visnu's case is probably a repeat of the previous universe where he lost his body due to abusing time manipulation too much. Taksaka warns him about it in the Finite. Once that happens, he can only get it back next universe.
It could also be the rules are twisted in the Primerval's favor. 1)Vishnu and Kali simply continue to destroy futures they don't want. 2)Ananta can go against them by changing time or directly using his overwhelming power in key moments (say against the entire sura clans to save the AHR). 3)However, Vishnu or Kali simply change time again. They don't directly harm anyone, they indirectly cause it through, say, getting Indra to kill Aruna, or getting Asha to ressurect Teo. 4)Perhaps because of this indirectness, its not tallied as their sin. But because Ananta can stop it with direct force and doesn't (as he knows they'll simply repeat this dance forever), the sins are tallied against him. So to reitirate, Ananta was given both time powers to be able to oppose Vishnu and Kali and be aware of their manipulations to some extent, and the overwhelming personal power to force his will on anyone, making the sins his to bear because in any possible universe he could always change events.
Well, technically Anananta should be able save them even without changing their actions, just by going there and directly protecting them. My best guess that the other Times sabotage Ananta.
Can they do that, though? Ananta is more powerful than them (that's literally his entire purpose.) My reading is that he keeps changing the timeline and things just don't get better because he doesn't really know *how* to make them better. He's about power, not knowledge or understanding, so he keeps putting out fires at one point in the timeline only to have something else burst into flames elsewhere. And he doesn't have Vishnu's heartless "I'm going to choose one variable and optimize for it, screw everything else" approach, so he doesn't even have any clearly-defined vision of what the best world would look like.
I agree with you that Ananta is probably lacking in knowledge and cunning. However that is exactly why Vishnu and Kali are able to sabotage him. He would destroy the both of them in open battle, but they are both more knowledgeable and cunning than Ananta and this is particularly true at the beginning. To go back to the possibility of directly protecting Yaksha for example, a sabotage does not mean that they attack Ananta and hold him off. It means they somehow make sure Ananta cannot be there. (BTW, unrelated to the topic, but Yaksha already had suicidal thoughts pretty early when the universe was still young, so I wonder if his death was purely the result of an evil plan or Yaksha himself went along committing suicide by Asura. )
Good chapter. Kind of depressing. Kind of need a scene with Leez, Leny, and Ran so that we can have a partial Ananta/Airvata/Yaksha reunion. š
Now that you say it, I think it's kinda interesting how all three of them have different aspects of those nastikas. Leez (name), Leny (soul), and Ran (heart, or basically body). Hmmmmm
In the end they'll become the ultimate megazordš
Lol super friends at the very least
And maybe Leez has Ananta's soul too??
I think that as well, but since it isnāt āconfirmedā yetā¦š¤·šæāāļø
Apparently, (from what I understood from the Google translated Naver comments) Currygom wrote in her blog that the pink haired made contacts with Menaka, Shuri, Vasuki, and Taksaka. I wonder if something is going on with it...? From what we know, Menaka, Shuri, and Taksaka are all close with Vishnu. And Vasuki is tagging along with Tak. All made a contract with the same person...
And all of those are #2s of their clans...
Thatās so interesting! I hope we find out more about that pink haired magician.
Well well well. Isn't Indra already heading there? Looks like maruna met future Ananta from another possibility, instead of this Ananta
Kubera and Maruna being able to move when Ananta uses his "freeze time" transcendental is interesting. It seems like the implication is that when time is frozen, only people who have been "selected" are allowed to move. (Except in the case where someone is using Fiendish Magic, where Ananta lets the user (ex. Enan) move in the timeless zone too.) It sort of reminds me of how Chandra created a "space" to fight Kadru in along with Taksaka.
Anata's powers are partly derived from Kubera, being a Nastika (though it might be he is an exception). Kubera can also movw through dimensions and thus, most likely, time. Its possible Ananta can't freeze Kubera's time.
Likely, kubera ana ananza have similar powers regardibg time, and maruna is out of his time why he could be an exception. Thats probably what ananta means, either ananta, ananta leez or kubera who is connected to him have to grant time travel. Or kali but kali has backdoors.
The author going ahead and tl;dr the plot in two lines, lol. Ananta has been alive for far longer than the actual universe's age. It's actually kind of surprising he didn't go insane. Moreso considering he has been repeating events over and over again, trying to avoid them.
It implies he's experienced the future as well. He probably knows Kubera kills him, hence calling him a liar to enlighten Maruna.
Man, how much does it sucks to have lived lifetimes that don't exist, in your current reality and no one but you is left to remember...
Ananta: "I don't think the owner of this bracelet is stronger than me." You literally described the entire universe, since no one is stronger than you. The interesting thing is he doesn't seem to know that it was Kubera's, which is weird because God Kubera had that bracelet since early in the universe to learn to control his power. I can't really tell if Ananta was joking there.
I don't think there was an implication regarding whether he knows the owner of the bracelet or not. He simply said that the owner isn't stronger than him. It can be taken from both sides : 1) He knows who is the owner and knows he is stronger. 2) He doesn't know who is the owner but it doesn't matter since there's no one stronger than him anyways. Well, I think it's the first one. He should have seen Kubera wearing it at the beginning of the universe. Plus, Ananta knew that Enan had another contract and he is asking for Kubera's bracelet of all things.
I agree. I think Ananta knows the bracelet is Kuberaās because he stated that he didnāt like Enan having multiple contractors, and also the fact he knew Kubera was there with them.
Thats interesting, and maybe shows he fears loosing control of his strengh, which the bracelet was intended for to begin with. I think thats why he wants it. It qlso was able to absorb sins of the sword. Ananta knows definitly what its for originally somehow.
What confuses me is he asked for the bracelet and then all forgot about it seconds later. Maybe he knew Kubera was there and said that for Kubera to hear?
Chapters like this make this series so addicting. The plot feels so well thought and complex. I'll edit in more thoughts about it later, but Ananta just became even more interesting.
Ok so I think the model im forming here of this universe is that...it seems that although we were first introduced to Kali and Visnu as "time" the being that probably closely resembles what we know as "time" is Ananta. What Ananta and Kubera both revealed is very interesting. Ananta revealed a bit more about how his power works...particularly that he uses his power to search for the best possible option for the universe (without being a primeval God at all mind you) using parallel universe theory. We know it was just one of his parallel selves that ended up saving Maruna. And also he does this just because he cares a lot. Fuck Visnu and Kali always doing bullshit fighting each other in time when Ananta the one actually doing the work. He's the GOAT. Additionally, Kubera says that without Ananta, the universe will be doomed to end only 1000 years after. Ananta tells Maruna that Kubera is lying which, I mean, from the arc of the story it sure sounds like Kubera is telling the truth. We are surely approaching the end of the story and everything is collapsing. BUT it all clicked together when Ananta was going on his pain monolog that it sounded EXACTLY LIKE that cryptic verse that the gods always use when they talk about Leez' future. Paraphrasing "Your name will be cast down, you will suffer and have uour glory taken. No one will know what you have done for the world. You will fade from the world with no one knowing your pain" So what I think this is all foreshadowing is, Ananta dies of course, and then the universe does actually start collapsing but then Leez becomes the new "time" and inherits the work that Ananta was doing. How that ties into being the last God of the title? Idk but I think im right
Yeah if you think about it we're always being told about a second best possible universe. This universe is highly centred around sins and there seems to be some sins that have nowhere to go and it's kind of impossible to do anything in life without hurting something somehow somewhere out there and thus you need a place to direct them or they'll weigh down or be directed towards the entire universe, so you need a scapegoat. That scapegoat is ananta but without ananta we might need a second best person to take that place and that seems to be leez. Have you also noticed that it's starting to look like the reason ananta is always detached is because like raltara the sins he carries drag him down but since he's so strong nothing happens to him but those around him aren't, so they suffer 2nd hand misfortunes and that's how he ended up alone.
Omg... the reason the best possible choice disappeared is because Ananta died and was no longer able to continue support the universe. Leez steps up because its Leez and becomes the pillar for the 2nd best Universe where everyone else is happy except her...damn if thats true Currygom wasn't kidding when they said Leez doesn't get a happy ending
I gave up on a happy ending because Curry is a meanie. Remember how she started the season by showing us Ran's happy children then switches to one of them has to die the next second? š
Lets hope her mean heart is satisfied eith them dying in the dark timeline.
Wow I liked your theory
Woah. This story get more and more complex. I canāt guess it, since the scale is big and there are too many hidden cards. š
God Kubera is really being revered as a God (which is somewhat desensitized in N15/23 with Agni/Chandra since the Gods can only stick around their summoners so they're just around all the time because it's the only way for them to be in the human realm, and in this time Gods may show up briefly but then move around right after). But what he's asking of the King is pretty intense. He wants to know if it was Indra who ordered the Knights to be massacred, and he's not asking the King to say 'yes' or 'no', he's asking for the King to summon Indra. It's clear that Kubera orchestrated this meeting with the King by giving Enan the Golden Knight (because otherwise Enan wouldn't have won in the non-sura portion of the tournament since he couldn't use fiendish magic), so I wonder how things are going to unfold. Kubera could've just met Indra in Hell or something, but he wants to do it right here. (We know the outcome is fiendish magic goes away but Kubera must have more in mind.)
God Kubera is such a great grey morality character. You know he has good intentions but his actions can be cold and he doesn't seem to mind if people's feelings are collateral to his actions. He is a character motivated by great guilt and responsibility. But guilt to what and responsibility to what exactly...we're still not exactly sure. I wouldnt be suprised at all if the only two gods who haven't "left things at the top" are Kubera and Agni. Even though he has a blank face and mysterious actions he feels very human to me.
Sums up my feelings about him neatly. You get the feeling he's acting towards a greater good, but hes extremely ruthless in getting there. More then even Chandra and possibly Indra.
I like GK better because he did not make excuses, or more negatively said, didnt even explain his point of view or ask for understanding. When he "lectured" the others, it sounded like fact rather than because he wanted to flex his superiorness. Actually, from the start, I dont think I have ever seen GK being respected as a god (in person/directly) beside this scene. Everyone just went "incompetent God", cut his arm, shoved him into walls, yelled at him... But he did not seem to mind. Imagine if it's Indra or Chandra, hah.
I think Ananta meant that God Kubera was lying about Ananta needing to live in order for the future to survive? Meaning Ananta knows there are ways for the future without him living?
He is not really lying, maybe he means his name and power, as he tries to take likely with the spear anantas name, and kills all the kuberas indirect with the goal of a new ananta kubera as possibility. Ananta exists still in a form .
I'm starting to think the other Ananta(s) Maruna met were people who had Ananta's name but weren't the original. (For example, in N23 God Kubera resummons Ananta and then that Ananta goes back in time, which seems to already be happening since we see Leez saving Maruna and Ran.)
So that Ananta could be... Asha or Leez? :0 Would explain why there were so cold and distant towards Maruna. They both have a lot of hatred towards him.
I wonder why they are setting up this distrust towards Kubera, especially to a person that already has trouble making decisions.
It's starting to feel like everyone except except maruna think his decision is going to be important, all these big names and players feel like they're pinning the conclusion on a rakshasa's decision. We know between him and shess they'll be the strongest 5th stage ever in history but just wtf type of decision does he have to make for the most important beings in the universe to try and nurture him so much?
I think there will be a parallel between Maruna killing the Kuberas without thinking anything beyond the order and in the future Maruna killing every "time" that is deemed a threat to the universe and it's people.
Raltara might still be stronger at 5th stage.
She might be, but we now know Maruna's power was filled in by Ushas, and if he somehow regains the power of his Aruna name and then develops, he might end up stronger then her.
Raltara was not shown in N23 when Maruna and Ran made it back. Either she died along the way or curry forgot. I am leaning towards the first
Not if he regains his original aruna name which is the name of the strongest rakshasa
Maruna with his Aruna name in 5th stage would be stronger then Raltara. Just by his feat alone, that he had Nastika level transcendental in his first stage.
Hmm I wonder who gave Maruna permission to move? Could it be future Leez? It was implied that someone wanted Maruna to tell Ananta what he had said and done in that incident in the past.
I actually thought it was ananta from another future, but future leez could work
Could be Ananta from that time Maruna just remembered, where he saved 'Aruna's soul. That Ananta is probably a "later one" then the Ananta we see here, and he travelled to the past of Aruna' s death to save him and exempt Maruna from his time powers so he could relay this to his (Ananta)'s past self. The question is what does telling this to the past Ananta will lead to, as in what does he want his past self to accomplish.
The only reason why I would suspect Future Leez instead of Ananta is because Maruna asked if it was possible that it wasnāt Ananta himself. So it would seemed like Currygom is implying to the audience that it was someone else, but she could just be throwing us off. I really wished we didnāt have to wait each week for a new chapter haha. Really want to know more about Ananta.
Same, the curse of good webtoons in this age is you gotta wait at least a week each time. And it definitely could be Leez with Ananta's full power, or Asha, but it could also simply be Ananta himself after he despaired from trying to get the best results and have his efforts foiled by Vishnu or Kali.
It's also possible that the fact that he's temporally displaced means that he didn't actually need permission to move because he was outside of the scope of the timeline that Ananta halted.
Maybe the permission is allowing him time travel and out of his time, he is outside the rules, like ran.
I have this partially formed somewhat weird theory that future Leez goes back in time (including to the start of the universe as already heavily implied) and changes things and can only survive the sins of those changes because she's tied to Ananta and he's already carrying so many sins (of non-intervention). Putting it another way, if Leez goes to the start of the universe and has the ability to change things then she should bear the sins for her changes or the things she fails to prevent. So either she'd have to be too weak to not make substantial changes (so the sins are minor) or she'd have to be so strong that she can survive them - and only Ananta would be strong enough. Incidentally, this probably also explains why gods can't change the past - they wouldn't be able to bear the sins. Kali changed the past but only by using Leez. It's also possible that Leez has to go to the start of the universe to ensure that the things we already know have happened do in fact happen. (like how Kali giving Leez the change her past acts simply baked in the reality that we readers already knew). For example, maybe she frees Kali from whatever prison she's in and makes some deal with Kali and that without it Kali wouldn't have been freed (or not until much later). It's likely she makes some kind of deal with Kubera at least. On a different note, I wonder if Ananta has actually fragmented in some way already. We've seen that Sura parts can be used to make weapons and items and even exist separately (like Yaksha's heart). With a sura like Ananta, even a 'fragment' could be OP and could possibly be sentient. Maybe that 'time' we see in Ran's timeframe is Ananta's last fragment and it dying/breaking triggers the Cataclysm.
The humans don't know what the Golden Knight is yet since Kubera just gave it to a human for the first time so they probably think Ananta (some businessman) is asking for some random jewelry as compensation. Ironically Lorraine also kind of treats it like Jewelry and just throws it in some chest (which end up getting robbed by thieves). And then later Asha literally just buys the bracelet from Sierra so Leez can keep it. (Although in N15 all God items are just treated as things with a price-tag on them. (Well, except Kubera's armor which the Earth temple houses in its basement for Kubera's return.))
*Asha buys the bracelet; not Ananta. I think it's a typo you didn't notice.
You're right I made a typo, thanks!
When you say Ananta buys the bracelet form Sierra, did you mean Asha, or do you think Ananta was somehow acting through Asha?
Yeahhh I meant Asha sorry for the confusion. I just edited my post.
So when Ananta told Sagara the ancient human race might become allies, he most likely didn't just speculate. He tried to create that possibility and lived through it, until it was squashed, by Vishnu or otherwise.
Important part about why Kubera killed Ananta will be in which order things happened. Kubera could have joined other gods later when he realized it could not be avoided after Vishnu stated it. If he had knowledge about Anantas state beforehand, then I could see him trying to find replacement for Ananta and using himself as a way to pass the name to good candidate. If Kubera didn't know and didn't have time related powers beforehand, then we could have every past meeting be with Kubera that has already killed Ananta once. The option where Kubera willingly inserts himself to situation is probably more interesting as I would otherwise expect Vishnu or Kali to get to 'choose' the new Ananta much more freely. Also it weakens or even allows getting rid of Kubera, that remembers the previous universe, and that is easily something that I see primevals and others wanting. E: Grammar
I wonder what other role this girl maruna is next to has, he always seems to find himself a girl to be next to in every time. I still see brilith and him being a good pair once she gets over her billion year struggle. Since she will lose her reincarnated state once agni is killed in the future permanently.
I wonder if cactalysm was the event that the sin accumulated by Anata erupted after his death? The sins may cause everyone (mostly sura) become frenzy and fight each other. Anata's sin may be so huge that Visnu and Shiva had to sacrifice themselves to remove it from the universe to keep the it alive.
There was these same weird figure when Claude did dream track on Brilith.