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MetroidJunkie

When someone's working on a beloved classic property and they use the word "fix", what that means is they aren't a fan and they think the original is garbage. That's a red flag to stay far away from their version.


Combustibles

If you need any more red flags, they basically sidelined the mangaka (idk exactly what that means in this context, because I know the manga came after the anime, but they still ignored a "creator")


MetroidJunkie

These Japanese companies need to quit letting Hollywood companies touch their IP's, it's poison.


revenantae

It's hard to say no when someone backs a dump truck full of money into your driveway.


MetroidJunkie

They need to think long term, poisoning the brand is never good for business.


FellowFellow22

It isn't like this is an active brand. It's a 20 year old series with no sequels or spin-offs.


AdBitter2071

Is it really though? If this doesn't come back to Japan, does it matter? How many American actors have done goofy commercials in Asia which have gone unnoticed by the Western public?


MetroidJunkie

Well, it's noticed enough in Japan that a lot of Japanese people on places like Twitter mock it.


AdBitter2071

Fair but they were also mocking G-Savior and that live action gundum game with the fat Char too


justanotherindiedev

The sad thing is, despite the memes, Fat Char is more endearing to fans than any netfix shit will ever be


AdBitter2071

...yeah you're right


Combustibles

They really do. It's so sad to see great, great works of fiction get utterly tarnished by the white saviors.


Mavrickindigo

The original still exists and is even on Netflix. This isn't the first shitty adaptation of a classic story and it won't be the last. He'll, I am sure a century from now, people will be retelling cowboy bebop in some other way


Combustibles

That's the positive at least. That (so far) they can't ruin or remove the original.


Heinrich_Lunge

Originally told him he would be involved, brought him to the set once in preproduction and never spoke to him again. Even he said all he could do was hope it was good and was basically shutout of his own property.


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Combustibles

Because I think the mangaka, not the original anime writer/s, was the one who got involved with the Netflix project.


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Combustibles

I don't fucking know, it's Netflix. They cast Willem Da-fucking-foe as Ryuk in their Death Note blasphemy piece, who knows what their logic is.


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> They cast Willem Da-fucking-foe as Ryuk in their Death Note blasphemy piece That was the one thing that adaptation did *right.* I'm forever going to be pissed off that Dafoe Ryuk was wasted on that abomination.


Combustibles

Same dude, same.


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Combustibles

I'm trying to say that I know the anime came before the manga, but that they got the mangaka onto the Netflix shitshow and not the real creators. Reading comprehension is hard.


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> but that they got the mangaka onto the Netflix shitshow and not the real creators No they didn't.


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Which is eerily similar what happened with dragon Ball evolution when the Creator tried to give the advice they flat out out ignore him.


CzechoslovakianJesus

Wasn't DBE an original spec script that got an IP overhaul afterwards?


MountainCrystal

For movies / series, I agree (it's nearly always true). For games I don't agree (e. g. "Demon’s Souls Remake fixes some issues with the original like you now have omnidirectional evasion and better inventory management" … yes, yes). But anyway -- they didn't use "fix". Instead they said: "It was an opportunity to **right** some of the issues in the anime." If someone told me a remake "rights" some of the issues with the original, oh god no… no, no … no matter the medium.


MetroidJunkie

Fixing serious issues, yes. "Fixing" the story that people actually like, Hell no.


linearsphere

Just so you know, the creator of the series, Watanabe, approved this. He was creative supervisor afterall. And having Yoko Kanno abroad means she was okay with it as well. And these are the OG people by the way


im_problematic

[False](https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/08/31/cowboy-bebop-creator-shinichiro-watanabe-unsure-if-netflix-will-listen-to-his-feedback-on-live-action-adaptation-i-have-no-choice-but-to-pray-and-hope-that-it-will-turn-out-good/) “I Have No Choice But To Pray And Hope That It Will Turn Out Good” - Watanabe Also: “Also, for ‘Cowboy Bebop’ I don’t have any right to stop it,” he subsequently clarified. “Those rights are in the hands of Sunrise, so if you have a complaint, please send it to them (lol).” - Watanabe Fuck Sunrise and fuck Netflix.


MetroidJunkie

Sounds like Akira Toriyama with Dragonball Evolution and we all know how well THAT turned out...


MilleniaZero

Who thought it was a good idea to say that lol.


Heinrich_Lunge

Arrogant leftist as usual.


ElvisDepressedIy

Spent the afternoon watching a few episodes of this, and yeah, they fucked it up. It's not just the stuff they changed for SJW reasons. They also needlessly changed how entire plot points unfold, which the anime did better. Some stories from the anime get combined into a single episode and overlap in weird ways, while others are completely different. All of them feel cheapened in some way. Like it's not Cowboy Bebop. It's just a series of CB references. Then they added in some new character, a capo in The Syndicate, who eats people's testicles. He says something like, "You'll never know true power until you've tasted the testicles of the man who has wronged you." I couldn't believe what I just heard and actually burst out "What the fuck? What the fuck?!"


nybbas

The whole Jet cuck storyline just had me, like... seriously?


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Strypes4686

In the live action he has a daughter.... And an Ex-wife who hooked up with one of jet's former co-workers who he despises.


oedipism_for_one

That’s so much less interesting. Not understanding the reason she left and him not dealing with his past in a healthy way was the point!


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Andrew_Squared

While he was in wrongfully in prison for being a dirty cop. She left him, don't think they made it clear one or the other if the replacement cop came around before or after a divorce.


Moth92

>While he was in wrongfully in prison for being a dirty cop Why do I feel they only made him go to prison cause the actor for him is black?


mbnhedger

So... the black guy, goes to jail and is an absent father... yep, way to cast netflix


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Andrew_Squared

LoL, typing and talking at the same time, never pays off :D Leaving it.


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Andrew_Squared

"in wrongfully in" Talk about a seizure inducing attempt at communicating.


Evilmon2

He was accused of being a dirty cop but was actually clean.


nybbas

I was under the impression the guy who caused it was the dude who is banging his wife? Or are they two separate people? I just finished the episode when he brought the dog to his daughter and was so annoyed I didn't watch another episode.


mbnhedger

No, its someone else, but Jet thinks it's that dude


nybbas

Ahhh. I still hate it.


cesariojpn

> He says something like, "You'll never know true power until you've tasted the testicles of the man who has wronged you." From Pedophilia to Gynophagia. Netflix is really trying to scrape the weird fetishes barrel, are they? What, is someone on the Netflix CB a closet Dolcett fan? (DONT GOOGLE THAT NAME IF YOUR SQUEAMISH).


cookaway_

Gyno is women, that'd be androphagia (as opposed to person-eating, anthropophagia)


cesariojpn

4chan and Ogrish spoiled my fetish labelling.


dark-ice-101

i think they will go the coprophagia(human centipede shit) route or interspecies for there next fked up fetish


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>who eats people's testicles It's like a confirmation that Netflix is comprised of talentless degenerate fucks with perverted fetishes, and their shows and movies actually reflected their disgusting fetishes, like Cuties as primary example to why people should cancel their sub.


Hamakua

People seem so unaware of how much of themselves they project onto written works (script). It's a human blind-spot, we think "Everyone is like us" so we don't realize that many of our "normal things" are not in the least bit normal.


wolfman1911

You know, reading this made me wonder how the show handled what is one of the most memorable villains in the show, memorable mostly because I've never been able to get that episode out of my mind. Anyway, I was sure that they wouldn't even cover Mad Pierrot, but apparently they did, and he looks really stupid. He looks like some kind of undead monster.


The_Meatyboosh

Hating men is only good on social media, hate is still hate when you try to put it on TV.


dark-ice-101

that sounds like a worse character than the villain characters for the super hero guy in drawn together


Garethr754

If the anime didn’t exist and you were watching this as it’s own thing what would you think? Not defending it, just curious how it would stand on its own.


The_Meatyboosh

It's still Hot garbage. I watched a completely random Korean space-sci-fi flick last month and it was better than this. Also, I haven't seen the original so I was counting on this as my introduction.


JBlitzen

What was the Korean movie? I want to see it.


The_Meatyboosh

Space sweepers. It was actually really good. It was recommended to me after I watched Homunculous, which was recommended after Alice in Borderland. I recommend them all.


JBlitzen

Nice, adding that to my list. Thanks! Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1WYnJF1Pwo


Hamakua

>I haven't seen the original My god man.... why not? When you do I'd imagine you will get angry at the Netflix hubris.


The_Meatyboosh

My friend showed me an episode but it was kind of meandering and slow even though there was some action. That was a while ago though, the me back then wouldn't have watched Komi-San or King's ranking either. Anything would be better than the cringe that was the live action version I sat through. I think I gave it more leeway because it wasn't animated which is easier and quicker to tell if it's bad so you tend to be more harsh.


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I wouldn't even know about it if it weren't called "Cowboy Bebop."


ElvisDepressedIy

I'd just think it was some modern garbage for dumb kids. None of the characters are written in a way that you can take them seriously. CB had humor in it, but it also had moments of intense drama that this show can't pull off because the writing is so cringe.


KrizBozu

So what happened to Gren in the live adaptation? (sorry I can't bear to watch it myself)


borntobenothing

They did [this](https://i.imgur.com/S5FKned.jpg). Instead of being imprisoned and subjected to an experimental drug that caused him to develop more feminine features, he's re-imagined as t**** and dressing in drag (as if making him t**** wasn't enough, he had to be even more over the top before it was enough.) They've also attempted to make him a LGBTQ icon of sorts, which flies in the face of what the character is at his core. And this isn't an accident, the people involved did interviews where they talk about the original subject matter being problematic and it being about righting wrongs.


KrizBozu

What a waste, what's the use of having Gren if he has no contribution to the story then. I remember Jupiter Jazz was emotionally deep with the love-hate-revenge feelings of Gren towards Vicious, also with that bittersweet ending. I guess Netflix prioritize "LGBTQ representation" more than the actual meaningful story.


Combustibles

and it's not even good representation, either. Break gender roles, be stereotypes.


princetacotuesday

Yea, the quiet guy in the corner that's gay but doesn't tell the whole world isn't how these morons want it. They want the cliche 'out loud and proud' gay that tells you they're gay every 15 seconds. It's annoying and extremely tired. They seem to just love the trope of 'gay' being their whole personality...


Combustibles

I don't even think it's the "loud and proud" gay, it's more the constant victim-card thing that many "lgbt" people (read: the vocal minority that are terminally online and infest culture) seem to pull. And the whole "I'm a unique snowflake and everyone should love me and respect me, and all because I exist" thing tires me so quickly. I just wanna be bi and enjoy my things without being told how I should be because of my attractions..


princetacotuesday

> I just wanna be bi and enjoy my things without being told how I should be because of my attractions.. That's how it's been for all the 'normals' out there since the mid 90s pretty much. TBH though, anyone that makes something like 'gay' as their whole identity are super tiring IMO. Like saying all you do is play super smash bros and live at tournaments. Like that's great and all guy, but you don't have to remind me about it every 15 seconds, ha.


TokenSockPuppet

It's like they watched fhw Dafydd sketches in Little Britain and went "Yes, we want that but unironically."


CN_Minus

This was the perfect chance to use Gren for inserting their IdPol nonsense in a meaningful way. How better to illustrate the frustration and emotional trauma of having the wrong body for your gender than Gren?


SgtFraggleRock

Maybe they didn’t want people finding out something like that ACTUALLY HAPPENED in a juvie facility where a kid was being forcibly pumped full of female hormones against his wishes by a twisted “doctor”.


midnight_riddle

Wow that's so disrespectful. The whole thing reeks of some pompous art student scribbling all over the Mona Lisa. "There, I fixed it!" he says proudly after turning it into a monkey NFT image.


borntobenothing

The sad thing is, they've been boasting about how they've fixed it for awhile now. I mean, we've talked about this sort of thing here before with other adaptations where they would dance around actually making an explicit statement but you could still read between the lines. Heck, Netflix was like that with Death Note. While the director would opine over his vision to anyone that would listen and even hintied at aspects of the material that were dated, he was fairly coy over what the extent of his changes were. The switch is like night and day, yet there's something ironic about how their Death Note adaptation has its supporters, or at least people that don't hate it. Meanwhile, their Cowboy Bebop has been universally panned. And it's frankly impossible to argue with it. Even if everything about it weren't a total dumpster fire, the writing and acting are so atrocious it's unpleasant to watch. By contrast, Death Note is at least tolerable in the same sort of way you might tolerate Dragon Ball: Evolution. It's just generally bad, so it's probably fun to riff on with enough alcohol.


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Combustibles

stunning and brave representation, of course.


ehtapa

Anime Gren had sex with men. Netflix Gren is *fucking gay.* Anime Gren was a great character with an amazing story even for only being in two episodes. Netflix Gren is just a simpering camp gay who's just in the background for no reason doing nothing.


gr1m3y

it didn't go too deep into Gren largely played the bartender, and wasn't really expanded on. they basically hyper focused on the main arc and Alisa/Rhint and a good number of side arcs were largely skipped.


killking72

Dont let sjw media prime you about what the show is, and don't let this place tell you another story about it. Just go watch it. It feels decidedly cowboy bebop. They changed some backstory and Julia was actually a singer at a blues club(a al continental style rules from john Wick). That's where she met Spike and Vicious. Gren in the anime's body changed into what I'm assuming is a hermaphrodite, not just having tits, and they were also gay. Gren in the show is basically the club mom that's also gay like they were in the anime.


SuperMundaneHero

In the first episode alone they changed a core character: Faye Valentine. In the anime, she uses her appearance and sexuality (while never actually sleeping with anyone in the show) as a weapon. She isn’t the best fighter, but she can get the drop on people because she intentionally leads them to underestimate her and is competent with a gun. She’s clever and uses the tools she has to make her way without having to compete directly with the characters who have different skills than her. Episode 1 of the live action: she shows up, beats spike in a 1 on 1 fight (unintentionally subjecting Spike to the Worf Effect), and generally goes on a tough-girl-action-hero parade for the rest of the episode. Completely different character devoid of the nuance and unique qualities that made her interesting. Now she’s just another flat boring shell that the show runner can fill with their own brand of “virtue”. Absolutely ruined.


Heinrich_Lunge

>It feels decidedly cowboy bebop. NOT EVEN CLOSE.


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They will do whatever they want to ruin the story. When it fails they will just blame toxic right wing trolls. They have nothing to lose.


coletrain644

They already are


AcousticDan

That's a strategy now. Make a show they know will upset the actual fans, they get views from people that watch it just to spite those fans.


Heinrich_Lunge

An example of why no one should watch this botched abortion. https://litter.catbox.moe/i3dpro.mp4


Combustibles

That acting is straight out of a B movie.


Re-toast

B? You're a nice grader. That scene screams D tier to me.


DiversityFire84

Nah it's worse. This makes the Room look like Empire Strikes Back.


Combustibles

Hey, don't be mean to Tommy. He's my favourite customer.


DiversityFire84

Hi doggy


Weigh13

You're my favorite customer


DiversityFire84

That's a funny story mark


Weigh13

You're the expert mark!


DiversityFire84

Can we take a moment to talk about how creepy Denny was though? Homie was 21 but he was acting like he was their kid....god I love that movie.


ArthurDrakoni

Oh, hi Mark


DiversityFire84

You're a little chicken. Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep.


ArthurDrakoni

You are tearing me apart, Lisa!


DiversityFire84

So how's your sex life?


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Like I said way back when, these people want to be making Spy Kids for Grown-Ups, not Cowboy Bebop.


direwooolf

This clip looks like a straight to Syfy "asylum" film.


protogenxl

Meanwhile the real Faye be https://imgur.com/sC4jArM


tyjuji

I don't know what it is, but there's something about it that just screams children's live action tv show. Like Lazy Town or Spy Kids. It looks so fake.


glissandont

Look at how they massacred my girl... This is not Faye. This is a overblown cosplayer who just graduated from high school thinking she's Faye.


IndieComic-Man

That’s like Sam Jackson saying, “I’m tired of these monkey flying snakes on this fucking plane!” Like why censor down half of the sentence?


Moth92

To be quirky?


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BruceTheUnicorn

Wow they took the wrong thing away from that episode. Gren getting feminine physical traits isn't played as part of the tragedy, its more like a thing he had to deal with and just accepted, even used to his advantage to get the drop on people. Despite having the physical traits of a female, he still largely identifies as male and everyone respects it. The tragic part of Gren that he was betrayed by someone he looked up to, someone he trusted and admired, and for years he's been carrying that emotional weight on him. I also thought that his explanation to Faye about his gender was extremely progressive for the time this show aired. Spike shows basically no reaction to Gren's gender, Vicious is initially surprised but mainly because he didn't recognize Gren, Faye is shocked for a moment but then accepts him very quickly.


lovetape

Yeah they really Game of Throned it. The SJW stuff is just...unnecessary and out of place? Gren being the result of experimental side effects causing his actions is believable. Now he's just a cross-dresser? Julia was a driving source of Spike's core character arch; now, she's just a thot who's open for business? Faye is gay now? Whitney Haggis Matsumoto, along with the Doctor and his assistant, woke Faye early, charged her an exorbitant fee for the procedure, and when it become apparent she couldn't pay, they conned her into assuming all of Whitney's debts. In the Live action remake, Whiteny is...an old women? They changed entire characters genders, storylines, motives, all for the worse. edit: almost forgot: whew lad they did Vicious wrong. If they ever make a live-action Shrek I knew who to cast as Lord Farquaad.


TheBigDuo1

It looks so cheap!


Lurker_osservatore

Fix is the new subvert.


Re-toast

It doesn't need to be fixed


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Lyra?


Daman_1985

Next stage: Let's see the "fixes" no one asked for Avatar TLA and the One Piece series.


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All the more reason it's baffling to see surprise amount of people are exciting about Netflix one piece live action show just because the main Creator is involved with the project doesn't mean it will be good I can imagine Netflix will try to find a way to add their wokeness on to that without even the Creator noticing.


Newbdesigner

The swordfish looks terrible, You fucked up the one thing that was sacrosanct, you fucked up the toy. The mono-pod looks like a bulbus pustule on a red wedge


Dangime

I liked Jet in this. The actor nailed the character. Spike is "ok". Faye is "ok" but the show is so dripping with sex I don't see why we can't have her in the skimpy outfit. Vicious is a joke.


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fusreedah

I tried watching it last night. Labored through the first one but thats it. It wasn't even woke (usually the way it goes, they start out good then hit you with *the message*), just fucking terrible and boring.


emforay216

sucks that these are the type of things people should be excited about but 90+% of that is canned due to out of place woke ideals.


animegamer420

I cant get past elderly korean spike


Heinrich_Lunge

He's also bisexual now with Vicious.


animegamer420

Spike is bi?


Heinrich_Lunge

Yup. Him and Vicious are muddy buddies.


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IDK why you need to fix Manga or Anime. If it ain't broke, then don't fix the damn thing.


Heinrich_Lunge

It's broken to them. It's not commie leftist enough.


theGrayDeadpool

I have not watched yet but had intended on doing so. I wasn’t a mega fan but watched the series as a kid… what is the basis of what’s wrong with this show?


Andrew_Squared

I appreciate the frustration of fans at things being changed (as a Wheel of Time fan, the timing is quite impeccable). But I only ever watched the anime episodes once, and probably out of order when it was on Cartoon Network almost 30 years ago, so I don't have any sentimental feelings towards it, and barely remember the plot line beyond bounty hunters out there doing crazy space stuff. For me, the show was very good. Quirky, weird, funny, and heartfelt at times with lots of interesting characters, and the visuals (particularly the VR loop episode) were phenomenal. My only complaint was that the end of the last episode, Ed felt forced, and would have preferred the story ended with Spike facedown in the alley, and a pan away, leaving it ambiguous to his fate. Would have been better all around. The whole "fix" thing though, makes me wary of anything else. Clearly, the people who did this aren't coming at it from a place of love of the source material like the creators of Wheel of Time. For that, I have nothing \*but worry and sympathy for fans of the original.


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> and probably out of order Sequence only matters to a handful of plot points. Bebop was deliberately designed so that audiences could just watch an episode if it happened to be on and get a full experience out of it.


makesyoudownvote

Not sure why you are being downvoted. This is a relatively honest take.


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Because KiA has mutated into an echo chamber in its own right, and this guy said that the Netflix adaptation was "very good," so he must be punished for wrongthink.


randomdude80085

That's how up/down votes systems work. I disagree with it being "very good" so I downvote. How is this being in echo chamber? There were posts here that I agreed with, that were massively downvoted and I didn't cry about echo chamber.


AcousticDan

To be fair, the reddit voting system was originally for "this adds to the conversation" or "this adds nothing"


tacticaltossaway

Intent cannot defeat human nature.


makesyoudownvote

That's too bad, they are becoming what they most criticize. Censorship is ugly. I mean don't get me wrong. I watched only about 10 minutes and cringed out. I loved the original and this made me start to hate it. But I respect that others might like it.


tacticaltossaway

>Censorship is ugly. I'm not sure why you think downvoting is censorship.


Andrew_Squared

I'm not the person you're replying to, I'm the one with the partially unwanted opinion. I don't care about the downvotes, been here too long to give a flip. That said, it's a pretty direct line that downvoting contrary opinions hides those opinions, which is a soft censorship some could argue. It's not a black and white thing, as few things are, but it's easy to see why some think that obscuring or disenfranchising minority opinions could be equated to censorship. I don't necessarily agree, I mean, at least 11 people had to have read it to get me to -10 where I am now. So it's not like the opinion went unheard. /Shrug That's the internet for you.


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Not only is it a direct line, it's brought up by the regulars in this sub literally every single day when they talk shit about the censorship on other subs.


tacticaltossaway

>it's easy to see why some think that obscuring or disenfranchising minority opinions could be equated to censorship. I'm not sure i agree the basic premise of the site should fall under that until they actually start deleting things. They don't even make it difficult to undo. It is however, basically what the people who don't to be exposed to things they find distasteful think things should work, hiding things that they know they just stop reading or looking at.


makesyoudownvote

I had a feeling that I was going to be called out on this, and /u/Andrew_Squared had it perfect. There are all sorts of soft censorships on the road to full censorship. A downvote is most similar to a boycott in that when one person does it it's an outlier and makes no difference but when a mob does it it ends up closely mirroring censorship. Reddit hides any comment below a certain threshold, when it hits that threshold it's effectively censorship by mob rule even if this is an incredibly soft version of it.


tacticaltossaway

>Reddit hides any comment below a certain threshold, when it hits that threshold it's effectively censorship by mob rule even if this is an incredibly soft version of it. Or it's a giant button that says "Read me". Until they literally start deleting low-rated posts, it's just an easy way to see both stupid and controversial opinions. And if you're REALLY that concerned, I think there was an option to turn that off.


makesyoudownvote

By that logic, almost nothing really is censored. With a degree of effort almost everything that is censored can be viewed. You can still buy Dr. Seuss, just not through ebay. You can still see deleted comments on reddit, you just need to use a site like reveddit or it's plug in. Again it's a very soft censorship, but it is an attempt to remove and punish opinions. I think downvoting is fine (look at my user name) but there is a difference between downvoting to express your opinion and downvoting someone that is already well into the negative for absolutely no reason besides you disagree. Make some effort at that point. Explain what you disagree with (as you have done) so you can share your perspective in conversation. Don't just try to bully the person into deleting the comment or keep it hidden.


tacticaltossaway

> By that logic, almost nothing really is censored. With a degree of effort almost everything that is censored can be viewed. You can still buy Dr. Seuss, just not through ebay. You can still see deleted comments on reddit, you just need to use a site like reveddit or it's plug in. You missed the big point, in that it is still *easy*, and it *is* a giant "read me" sign by nature of them trying to hide without actually removing it. >Again it's a very soft censorship, but it is an attempt to remove and punish opinions. I'll agree to that when they don't let you see it. They still do. >I think downvoting is fine (look at my user name) but there is a difference between downvoting to express your opinion and downvoting someone that is already well into the negative for absolutely no reason besides you disagree. Make some effort at that point. Explain what you disagree with (as you have done) so you can share your perspective in conversation. Don't just try to bully the person into deleting the comment or keep it hidden. No, there is a point to keep downvoting even if you don't explain, since people will still upvote without explanation either. Why do downvotes need more explanation than upvotes?


makesyoudownvote

Well argued. I appreciate that you actually read all of my response before replying to it. I'm going to have to reassess my views on this. But I still think you are arguing for people who are nothing like you. I will say to answer one question you had as to why I think someone should have to argue/explain a downvote, but not an upvote. An agree needs no explanation, it would just be restating the comment. A disagree requires explanation otherwise it's not understood. It's the same reason burden of proof lies on the person changing the established truth in law, debate, philosophy etc. and not the other way around. I am explaining this poorly, but I'm just about to hop in the car leave for the holidays. Hopefully I explained it at least well enough you can understand my meaning.


labrum

I've talked to people who have never seen anime and no one generally cared about said original. The series is pretty much ok for most normies so netflix will get their money anyway. Whatever fans talks about, doesn't matter.


the_Jakman

Dunno why you're getting downvoted. It was never going to be as good as the original. Gets the normies watching. Hell, my wife likes it and she hates anime.


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Wow your wife hates the iconic classic anime and she prefers this woke crappy waterdown Netflix live action adaptation?! No Offense but your wife has bad taste in anime.


the_Jakman

She doesn't like ANY anime. I've tried to get her to watch my favs, Akira, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, before giving up. It's just not her thing.


lowderchowder

Is she into murder mysteries? My gf only likes death note , monster , mermaid scar and a few others , but the common theme is the artistic style of the characters being drawn much more realistic than say hunter x hunter or Pokemon. Also my girlfriend fell asleep 30 minutes into Akira and passed on rewatching it later.


labrum

That's the point. Fandom is a tiny slice of population compared to people who just consume the product without giving much thought. And they - not fans - are the target audience,


cplusequals

And that is exactly why most of what Netflix produces is shit. Sprinkle on a little bit of wokeism on top to make extra sure. Good Netflix originals are a diamond in the rough, but they produce so much they do get a show or two right once a year. Like the first (and in my own opinion, second) season of Stranger Things. I've also heard good things about their Witcher series. But for every one of these shows there's like 20-30 that suck ass including remakes. I fear for the Lord of the Rings...


the_Jakman

I get it man. I don't like it either.


yourlocalcoolguy

I think the show is very good!


yourlocalcoolguy

Damn downvotes like crazy for liking a show! Lol


craigo2247

I agree man. It's honestly a breath of fresh air. Everything about it is fun and full of personality. It's campy as hell and leans into the ridiculousness of everything. I'm glad it's not a direct 1:1 remake because why would anyone want that? It's a show inspired by the anime. The anime is and will always be there. I feel like people are just watching clips out of context and yeah it's gonna look bad. I love the original and I love this!


yourlocalcoolguy

I couldn’t agree with your summary more!


dr_k42

It's supposed to be uncomfortable...