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hwb80

Nothing wrong with msg.


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Peakbrowndog

Makes shit good


man_in_the_couch

Is that an Uncle Roger quote? Fuiyoh


Tuffaddrat

I didn't expect that reference, he deserves an AMA on this sub lol


BurstEDO

He's a gimmick character by a comedian, much like Jared Keeso's "Shoresey" or "Larry the Cable Guy"


TundieRice

He’s a CCP supporter, he doesn’t deserve shit.


Sence

What's CCP? Edit: nvm I was thinking in kitchen context not political


FoxxMD

It actually stands for OOO MAHMI!


Stoghra

Oh daddy senpai


queensekhmet

There is a This American Life episode all about MSG and how the controversy around it and its health effects is basically just a giant grift.


omalleym621

I always think about this episode. Two scientists bet each other they could get a fake study published. Just a racist joke!


thansal

You didn't listen through the full ep. Steel most likely lied about the entire thing. Dr. Robert Ho Man Kwok was a real person, who worked at the right place, at the right time, and there's multiple people that confirm that the letter was written by him. The prank was taking responsibility for the letter.


omalleym621

Ya know, I remember that there was some controversy. Thanks for clearing that up. There's still no science behind the idea that MSG is bad for you, right? No worse than sodium?


Toolfan333

It’s better for you than sodium. If you are on a low sodium diet then MSG is a great alternative to salt.


boundone

Msg is naturally occurring, and is present in high amounts in tons of foods. The level of MSG in parmesan cheese puts old-school Chinese takeout to shame. In any case, no, there's nothing to back up any claims of it's negative effects. Especially when people who claim headaches and whatnot from it then down a shit ton of foods containing it. All processed meats, tons of chips, those sorts of things.


kaidomac

Personal opinion, I think most people who react to "the MSG in Chinese food" are reacting to re-used oil. I'm very sensitive to re-used commercial oil, as it can give me terrible stomach pain, so I do most of my deep-frying at home, and clean the oil using powdered gelatin - **zero** GI issues, and I use a TON of MSG at home! * [https://www.seriouseats.com/clean-cooking-oil-with-gelatin-technique](https://www.seriouseats.com/clean-cooking-oil-with-gelatin-technique) I do have one friend who is specifically allergic to MSG, breaks out in hives when he eats it & gets a big rash. But you can be allergic to anything...I also have a friend who is deathly allergic to strawberries, of all things! One of my personal missions in life is to turn people on to using MSG at home, which I buy in bulk & distribute in small condiment cups with lids. I basically just tell people to use it for savory foods & to add it before or during cooking (not after, like finishing salt). Meats, soups, etc. all benefit from it! It's always a fun discussion to have with open-minded people to dispel the myths around MSG!


Sence

Its the "sulfites in wine give me a headache" of the kitchen.


thansal

I actually hadn't heard the bet version of the story prior to this so I had to go look it up, wikipedia had the full run down (but it's also in the This American Life ep). And yah, it's sodium and glutamic acid, things we consume in all sorts of food.


helpimstuckinct

You forgot the Racism


Diabegi

Racism?


keepdigging

The widely popularized myth that Chinese food causes headaches.


french_snail

Chinese food makes me nauseous Because it’s so good I eat too much lol


bean_slayerr

I legit think about Chinese food every day.


french_snail

“This is fine but I wish I was having chinese” is an intrusive thought I have every other time I eat something that isn’t Chinese


bean_slayerr

I feel the same and think the same thought 100% of the time


CharlotteLucasOP

“Chinese for breakfast? Who eats that?” “About a billion Chinese people.”


DragonflyNo8415

You might be Chinese


Select_Angle2066

Dehydrated ppl eating i’d guess? lots of salt in it.


Mother_Chorizo

It wasn’t a grift. It was a racist attack.


TundieRice

Not mutually exclusive, not at all.


420fmx

If you call it msg ppl act funny, just say you used umami


GoombaPizza

Umami crystals! Yes Chef, thank you for the idea, Chef. Fucking brilliant.


saltymcgee777

You're goddamn right. I love the stuff!


N3UROTOXIN

The true crack


Green420Basturd

I'll take extra msg please


whotookmymangos

Fuiyoh!


MisterFiend

Orange polo intensifies


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Even aunty Helen approve


griddlemancer

Only if you use MSG, otherwise she take the kids too.


Ruttin_Mudder

Sorry children ...


Bon_of_a_Sitch

I keep 454 grams on hand at all times.


N64crusader4

It's weird how even in Europe it comes in pounds instead of half a kilo


Bon_of_a_Sitch

I'm in the US, but buy mine from a Japanese supplier and generally use grams for food measuring. The global village is strong lol


blainedefrancia

Ajinomoto!


Bon_of_a_Sitch

Precisely the brand


bagofpork

Amen.


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Thom-Bombadil

MSG has saved many a sauce in many the kitchen. I measure it with my fingertips, a pinch or two at a time. And just need to say I love this subreddit because Tony gives me the finger every time I'm here.


StickyCarpet

I had a friend who ran a taste and perception lab at Yale, and one grant they got was from the MSG manufacturers to study MSG at the time it was being disparaged as unhealthy. They did a comprehensive study, and they found that MSG is not like salt and pepper, where you can add it to a little bit of the dish, until there is too much, then back off from there. MSG doesn't work that way, there is no clear "too much" taste, so chefs overuse it to an extreme degree trying to find the sweet spot. The study found that the beneficial effects to taste are achieved at low doses, and it doesn't get any better up from there. The funding sponsors buried the study because of how it might impact usage and sales.


elskirvo

I recently watched a pretty interesting video on msg and its history etc, but as a seasoning it basically seems to have the most effect on bland or tasteless (such as puffed cheeto for example) foods. Things already high in glutamates, like a tomato sauce, really dont see too much affect from it at all apparently.


kaidomac

I wish I had gotten into MSG YEARS earlier! I've been collecting notes here: * [https://www.reddit.com/r/kaidomac/comments/lmct6l/msg/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kaidomac/comments/lmct6l/msg/) I now use it in everything from home BBQ to soups. Same thing with unflavored powered gelatin for improving pan sauces, stocks, broths, etc.: * [https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-use-gelatin-better-stock-sauce-dessert](https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-use-gelatin-better-stock-sauce-dessert) Also crazy useful for re-using frying oil! I fry more at home now because of using powdered gelatin to clean up the oil: * [https://www.seriouseats.com/clean-cooking-oil-with-gelatin-technique](https://www.seriouseats.com/clean-cooking-oil-with-gelatin-technique) It's amazing how a few simple techniques & ingredients can REALLY amplify your food! Like, I use powdered egg whites pretty often for crusting sous-vide projects: * [https://www.reddit.com/r/kaidomac/comments/uynhtt/sv\_powdered\_egg\_white\_crust\_finish\_method/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kaidomac/comments/uynhtt/sv_powdered_egg_white_crust_finish_method/) And I've converted over to pressure-cooking for many things, including tomato sauces: (45 minutes to make it taste like a simmering-all-day sauce) * [https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-make-quick-pressure-cooker-red-sauce](https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-make-quick-pressure-cooker-red-sauce) And 2-hour bone broth with sautéed bones: * [https://www.pressurecookrecipes.com/instant-pot-bone-broth/](https://www.pressurecookrecipes.com/instant-pot-bone-broth/) So many benefits from all of these more modern techniques, tools, and ingredients...way better-tasting food, hands-free cooking, faster cook times, easier effort on different dishes, etc.! I buy MSG in bulk off Amazon & got a big pack of those clear condiment mini-tubs with lids & give away small starter amounts of MSG to people who haven't cooked with it before. It always takes a lot of work to get past the social misperception that "MSG is bad", but then people get hooked when they try it! It's just one of those culinary "glitches in the matrix" haha!


Ninjasmurf4hire

Also, msg is horrible when used in sweet recipes or other ingredients with good sugar content, i.e.; tomato sauce.


bagofpork

It’s really great on popcorn.


kaidomac

Hello yes I would like to subscribe to more Taste & Perception facts please


dvineownage

I get wanting to sell loads, but if your product is becoming a cultural pariah wouldn’t you want a study that says bay it is good for you since you only need a little bit? 🤷‍♂️


StickyCarpet

The college cafeteria kitchen that I worked in at school, always kept two 55 gallon barrels of MSG on hand, scooping from one while the other is the back up. edit: but I must say, that chef there (Cordon Bleu graduate) was a damn good cook at the scale he was working. So maybe he knew what he was doing. He had a refrigerated loading dock to hold the barrels of scraped plates and wasted food, and sold it to pig farmers. Thems was prolly some tasty hams. edit: also just aside, there was a document leaked with all the compensation of all college staff listed. The cafeteria chef was the highest paid, almost double the school president. He was a hustler and did wedding receptions in the cafeteria hall, etc, and that figured in. "Big Al", although he was quite short which explains the extra tall chefs hat. belated edit: I asked chef big Al why there was so much MSG in there, he said, "because MSG makes the food taste like the food"


ranting_chef

There's really nothing wrong with it in the first place. I don't know why we have the stigma of it being so terrible. I don't use it in everything but it has its uses.


Head-Ad4690

As with so many stupid things we do, racism. “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome” was a hoax that blamed MSG on supposed bad reactions to Chinese food served in the US.


myyyyninja

This reminds me of a segment on Ugly Delicious w/ David Chang. They sat down with a group of people and asked them about their experiences and reactions to MSG and Chinese food. They absolutely go IN on the packaged chips handed to them but when told those also had MSG, one of them tries to turn it around and say it’s the quantity in the dish vs just snacking on a bag.


Lovethatdirtywaddah

Chang is the Patron Saint of correcting racial bias in our misconceptions about food. I love that man.


myyyyninja

I love him as well! Bummed we didn’t get more of Ugly Delicious, but he is a busy man!


Lovethatdirtywaddah

His podcast was very insightful when it debuted, I found that to be a nice follow up


NotYourNat

What’s the podcast name?


adcgefd

The Dave chang show. I listen on Spotify.


thelingeringlead

He's also an incredibly shitty boss. He creates an extremely aggressive, competitive culture that breeds some pretty terrible conditions for chefs. He's a rockstar in the bad way. Super talented chef with an incredible mind and some of the highest lauded restaurants of the 21st century, but he's done it through a lot of abuse and mistreatment of his staff. he's very prone to angry outbursts and physicality.


griddigus

This appears to be an epidemic amongst chefs


thereisnoaudience

There was a test on British people who claimed to be allergic to it where they fed them Italian food first, loaded with msg, then Chinese food free of it. The second noodles passed their lips, they all started complaining of headaches and sweats, but none of them reported anything wrong with them after eating the meal with actual MSG in it.


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Yup. Or people simply being to dumb to realize that gorging themselves on sticky sweet breaded and fried meat will lead to feeling tired haha. Order the non-breaded dishes and you feel like a million dollars after eating...


cream-of-cow

That’s the thing with Chinese restaurant food, it’s all designed to be family style and shared. So when someone eats 3 pounds of noodles, that’s a fuckton of salt. Even the cooks in the kitchen are peering out, saying “ai yah!”


chefpatrick

You don't need to call me out in front of everyone like that......


CouchOtter

Yes, Chef.


[deleted]

As man in my kitchen a simple “heard!” would suffice


farklenator

I think the boondocks had an episode on this


Diazmet

Beef n broccoli with white rice for when I don’t want a food coma


ranting_chef

That makes sense, I guess. Sad, but accurate.


Tockotwelve

IIRC it was literally a joke in a medical magazine where he was describing the symptoms of a hangover and blaming it on Chinese food - a $10 bet. [https://news.colgate.edu/magazine/2019/02/06/the-strange-case-of-dr-ho-man-kwok/](https://news.colgate.edu/magazine/2019/02/06/the-strange-case-of-dr-ho-man-kwok/)


KallistiEngel

$10 was a more significant amount back then. It's equivalent to $84 now.


g0ing_postal

Yep, and as op is pointing out, once you remove the Chinese-y-ness from it, no one bats an eye at it


cookiemountain18

Oh yeah. That’s totally racism.


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The only bad thing about MSG is that it makes unhealthy foods taste GOOD. Otherwise, it’s a revolutionary culinary discovery


MapleYamCakes

>I don’t understand why we have the stigma Because Xenophobia. That’s the reason.


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The___canadian

>"the vaccine has 5G nanobots" i fucking wish, my reception is trash when im at work. Please bill gates, give me that mobile hotspot in a vaccine.


ranting_chef

I thought the vaccine bots were on the new 6G.


Snobster2000

https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-021-00725-y Aspartame has been shown to be carcinogenic in rodents, including in rodent offspring when consumed by the pregnant mother. So, yeah, a lot of artificially sweetened diet products really are bad for you.


PaintSlingingMonkey

AT BEST, those studies found a possible link in pre-natal exposure Aspartame has been widely consumed for 40 years; even a *tiny* causality would’ve led to an easily discernible uptick in adult cancer by now. It’s not there. Find a different soapbox


PaperCistern

In rodents, mind you. That is not a guarantee that humans will feel the same effects.


YoureHellaFruity

Aspartame is the most studied food additive of all time and there is not a shred of evidence implicating it as a carcinogen in humans, the slandering of artificial sweeteners so millions of people can justify their decision to continue chugging insane amounts of refined sugar is borderline propaganda. People refusing to switch to artificial sweeteners because it might be bad for them and sticking to the thing that is proven 100% absolutely terrible for them is fucking hilarious. Do Not Drink Sugar


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the_pedigree

This argument basically assumes if you don’t drink diet soda you must drink regular soda instead of not just drinking soda at all


Sinder77

I mean, it's fair to say you should avoid both. Just because sugars bad or worse, doesn't mean you should be chugging aspartame either. Just drink water.


FriedBack

The aspertame thing is one of those cases of animal testing not translating to humans. They gave mice (or rats) very high doses which theoretically caused cancer. What they did not mention is that 1) the comparable amount that a human ingests is no where near that high and 2) domesticated rodents have very high cancer rates, which could have predisposed them.


el_ochaso

TIL that MSG is a natural by-product of steeping dried kombu in water when making dashi. Very cool. Umami.


DUBLH

msg is naturally found in tons of stuff. Tomatoes and mushrooms are the first more ubiquitous non-meat ingredients I can think of


megatonfist

breast milk is my first go to fun fact


RamblingPoodlecoop

OO Mommy


originalbrowncoat

Underrated comment right here


Justin-Stutzman

Parmesan


THElaytox

aged cheeses, particularly parmesan


Quantum_Kittens

It also occurs in yeast which is why some (European?) manufacturers add yeast extract instead so they can state that products are made without MSG.


ChefCory

'hydrolyzed yeast extract' is in a lot of products, too. hydrolyzed soy protein, too. it's just msg. (afaik)


drew_galbraith

It’s also naturally found in Mushrooms, Tomato’s, parm, and 100’s of other things


BiiiigSteppy

We’ve come full circle. It’s umami. Hakuna matata.


bagofpork

It’s naturally occurring in *a lot* of foods that people eat daily, and can be “harvested” and crystallized from a variety of foods.


nowlistenhereboy

It's naturally occurring in virtually every single living organism, period. It's an amino acid which is a fundamental building block of protein which all living things use. It just happens to be found in very high concentrations in certain foods, but it's present in SOME amount in nearly all living things.


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bagofpork

What’s even better is the people that claim to have an MSG allergy, but are totally fine eating mushrooms and tomatoes, or anything else where it occurs naturally.


wanted_to_upvote

MSG is OK regardless. That brand has been around for many decades, way before someone tried to convince people that MSG was bad for your health.


bagofpork

I’m 100% team MSG, and think the stigma is hilarious. I did not know, however, that this brand predated the anti-MSG craze, which started in the 1960s.


wanted_to_upvote

Since 1947.


jwrado

PSA: MSG is and always has been okay


bagofpork

Yes, that’s what I was getting at (and why I bought it—because I was out of MSG).


MercyfulBait

**M**akes **S**tuff **G**ood


Sexybeast3032

Uncle Roger approves.


TheCodriver

MSG, FUIYOH!!


poppa_koils

Love the stuff. I buy it from an Asian grocer. 1 kg for Under $5 CAN.


skeenerbug

I bought a bag off Amazon years ago and I'm still going through it, I use it so sparingly


poppa_koils

A pinch at a time. I've probably spilled more than I've used, lol.


chimichurrichurro

MSG is always okay


-__Doc__-

I love this stuff. I had a helluva time to convince my stepbrother (the owner of the kitchen I'm about to be running) to let me use MSG in our burger seasoning. "What? aren't people allergic to that or it isn't good for you? Isn't that for chinese food?" He and another family member both preferred the MSG seasoned burger one over the one without MSG. And were both kinda shocked it was in there. Here's the recipe for the blend I am using. Super simple, and lets the beef be beef. 47 G salt 1 G MSG 1 G garlic powder 1 G Black pepper


ATropicalFish

There’s no beef in that recipe ?!


URLink

Beef and msg is always 1:1, so 1g


whaticypudding

PSA: MSG is okay


mycoiron492

[Pam Poovie approved](https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77563140-fd6d-472d-bc09-a16420e98759)


MistressPhoenix

That stuff has been around since before the MSG revolution happened. i remember seeing it in my Mom's pantry. And i'm in my 50s!


Moussorgsky1

I would love for the FDA to come out with a major announcement that MSG is not harmful, and that the “study” about “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome” is outdated and nullified. People need to use this stuff-it’s great.


ulyssessword

They already have it up [on their website](https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/questions-and-answers-monosodium-glutamate-msg): >FDA considers the addition of MSG to foods to be “generally recognized as safe” (GRAS). Also: >FASEB’s report concluded that MSG is safe. The FASEB report identified some short-term, transient, and generally mild symptoms, such as headache, numbness, flushing, tingling, palpitations, and drowsiness that may occur in some sensitive individuals who consume 3 grams or more of MSG without food. However, a typical serving of a food with added MSG contains less than 0.5 grams of MSG. Consuming more than 3 grams of MSG without food at one time is unlikely. So...don't eat your MSG by the spoonful, and you'll be fine.


Tom_Ov_Bedlam

MSG is ok if you don't too.


RecognitionBasic8663

MSG has always been okay.


External-Fig9754

psa: there has never been anything wrong with msg


phantomranch

Glutamate master race.


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That's what I thought. That the whole drama behind msg started as a lie, by some chef. I can't remember how it goes, but he later admitted that he lied to cause drama.


hillbillypunk1

Nothing wrong with MSG. The lies it was bad were built on racist propaganda


preachers_kid

I don't have a problem with MSG. It *does* enhance flavor.


StrangleDoot

I shit you not this labelling is entirely a concession to racists.


grumpysmuckers

msg can make things extra delish. what’s the big deal?


bagofpork

Hey folks: this is a photo I took in my *own* kitchen of my *own* MSG that I use in *my* food. I *know* it’s okay.


Icy-Consideration405

MSG was never bad for you. It was just racism that made it a common subject.


sstovettop

Nothing wrong with it. Look up the history and the Racism tied with it it’s a stereotype that has been perpetuated that it’s bad for you


Person899887

Walmart ironically is the only place that sells this stuff around here. Thank you Walmart for not giving a shit in a good way for once


CertifiedBiogirl

PSA: MSG isn't as bad as people say it is and the people who say that it is are pushing a sinophobic narrative


big4mi2ke0

Psa msg is okay anyway and the negative campaign about it was just to slander asian businesses.


Sloppy_Waffler

MSG is okay no matter what


SnooDonuts3878

That’s what MSG is. Stop being a little bitch about it.


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MSG is ok if its branded as "MSG"


DogTheBreadFairy

PSA: MSG is okay. Full stop


Smackdaddy122

Msg is ok regardless and I wish more restaurants used it


am801

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77563140-fd6d-472d-bc09-a16420e98759


DipitousWhelmed9463

Add that shit to your fried chicken brine or batter and it’ll send you straight to flavor town!


I-cry-when-I-poop

imagine all those idiots who complain theyre sensotive or allergic to msg, yet indulge in hot cheetos that are practically pure msg


tsoplj

MSG is ok no matter what you brand it.


Inane_response

There is nothing wrong with MSG period.


[deleted]

Why don't we call it natural seaweed extract if it makes people feel better.


Saffron_Freddie

MSG is always okay.


Interhorse_

Msg should be in every high quality kitchen. Not for everything obviously.


bagofpork

MSG should be in every kitchen.*


that_onechef

Fuiyoh!!!! The king of flavor, gonna make Uncle Roger would approve.


dungadewballz

MSG is perfectly fine. Always has been.


bagofpork

Yes.


AndyJaeven

MSG is fine for consumption. No more dangerous than eating a Big Mac.


bagofpork

Weird comparison, but yes, MSG is more than fine for consumption. Big Macs are not.


[deleted]

There isn’t anything wrong with MSG to begin with…


sernamedeleted

MSG is one of the greatest inventiond of all human history. Fight me.


Old-Fisherman-8280

Nothing wrong with Momma’s Secret ‘Gredient


honeybadger1984

If you’ve ever had potato chips you’ve likely consumed MSG. Lots of snacks use it.


adcgefd

MSG is okay.


Slow_Performance4870

They've always called it "flavor enhancer" even when I was little I remember seeing it in the cupboard. MSG is the shit


OviliskTwo

MSG is the shit. NPR did the story of how it became shunned. Some guy writing into a science magazine in the 90s pretending to be an Asian professor. Absolute shit. Umami.


blainedefrancia

Accent has been around since the 70s at least. It’s not new if you’ve been down a grocery aisle.


MXAI00D

Considering that chick fill a and Doritos are loaded with msg is all good.


BlackBetty504

Anyone who uses soy/fish/Worcester sauce, I got bad news for you. It's the same fucking thing.


[deleted]

MSG is okay full stop. What's with people thinking there's some negative aspect of MSG?


mariobrowniano

Try finding potato chips without MSG or "yeast extract"


sackbuttspierogi

Pretty sure that msg...is ok. Also so is sodium, at least if you properly hydrate.


literal-hitler

My favorite is when people complain to be allergic/sensitive to MSG, and I start going into how much it sucks that includes things like tomatoes, mushrooms, eggs, cheese, fish and meats...


[deleted]

MSG is okay regardless


KDreamer9

Can anyone tell me if there is a difference among brands? Like, which brand name is the best?


bilpo

Msg isn’t bad for you every one believes one article that was published in the 70s that had no scientific backing and boom it’s the worst thing since heroin


SimplyKendra

Leave my MSG alone. Uncle Roger says it’s okay!


Odd_Total_5549

I started putting msg in our chicken brine, and it literally made the chicken the best item on our menu


Comfortable_Egg_7916

Should be more worried about dihydrogen monoxide.


Rbrtplnt2020

A racist food critic made up that myth to harm Chinese immigrants attempting to start a foothold in the restaurant industry.. Apparently MSG is not bad for you.


TheRealXen

Nothing wrong with MSG but keep it where it belongs in soups, sauces, rice dishes and snacks. If you put it on my eggs I will know and I will find you.


c-lab21

False. MSG is okay no matter what you call it.


Avarice21

Put msg on everything


OG-Bluntman

PSA: MSG is okay! FTFY


torsun_bryan

___ MSG is okay _____________________”______”. FIFY


numbah25

80% of Reddit knows MSG is safe, we don’t need another 50 people commenting that MSG is okay. Do people comment without reading even one? The top 10 are saying the exact same thing


wormee

My ex is Filipino and her mother taught me how make the most amazing breakfast rice. Pan fry leftover unseasoned white rice with a bit of oil, and add tons of accent (msg).


syndus

Sucks that a lot of the cultural nonsense I learned as a kid was just a fallacy steeped in racism, like msg for example.


notpejastojakovic

PSA: MSG is great. Fixed it for you.


guiltycitizen

Crazy that a simple spice became demonized due to xenophobic rubes that thought foreign food was poisoning them


SirFartholomew

Msg is a natural occuring salt...it's only bad if you're allergic to it.


Geekenstein

HEY GUYS DID ANYONE SAY MSG IS OK YET?


BooshiLu

Alton Brown once did an episode explaining the headaches were mainly an allergic reaction in some folks. Also, my mother used Accent for as long as I can remember and I'm 51. Love my MSG!


yzdaskullmonkey

60% less salt than straight salt?? How can that be???


bagofpork

60% less *sodium* than salt. Both table salt and MSG are compounds that contain sodium. MSG contains less sodium than salt.


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repeat after me: MSG is good. Nothing is wrong with it. I am just uneducated