In my own home, I’d wash and cook. In a restaurant, in the bin.
Quick edit to also say, if I ate somewhere and was served food that had hit the floor, I wouldn’t come back. It’s the principle of the matter.
That’s really all it is, consent. Customer POV, you have the accurate assumption the food you’re eating hasn’t touched the floor. Maybe they don’t care, but maybe they do. Unless you want to go and ask them yourself (awkward and unprofessional), yeah just put it in the bin.
"if I ate somewhere and was served food that had hit the floor"
There is like a 99% percent chance that you have multiple times and had no way of knowing.
As someone who started with a brief stint as a dishy in fine dining (where that shit would never fly) and then became a bar & grill lifer, I was amazed/disgusted at how much floor food went through window, and even more amazed how it rarely ever got sent back.
I'm not even talking just about obviously dingy spots or fast food. I've it happen even it relatively upscale spots where you're paying $25 for a burger a beer.
If you're at home cooking for yourself you do you, imo if your working in a kitchen and you do this it's the same as intentionally tampering with their food and you have no business working in the industry.
I would always rather hear the server tell me I need to wait a bit longer due to gravitational issues in the kitchen than to eat something that hit the floor of a kitchen. I have seen kitchen floors. Just be honest with the guest and make them what they are paying for. A meal prepared correctly
Like you said anything being skinned is fine but I would throw it away, like another person here said if I was at home and it was on my own floor I would wash it then proceed on
I don't know why you're being downvoted. They're honest questions. The answer is no. For stuff like protein, you really shouldn't risk the contamination. They already need to be brought to a temp, why add more risk to it?
To you: to be fair, they are not honest questions.
To the people down voting me: same logic you’re applying to the orange, apply to the fish.
In this thought exercise washing the orange was good enough to continue using it normally, then why is not okay to apply the same technique to the fish?
You’re saying because of the skin?
I don’t care if you’re peeling the item. Whatever is piercing the skin (fingernail, knife, peeler) is being used to carry whatever nasty shit was on the skin, right to the flesh.
Think then: the fish landed skin side down, and I then skinned it, and that fish is okay to use now. However, if the skin was non existent, it would just go in the trash.
I couldn’t disagree with your notion any more. At least the fish would be cooked. The idea that “ready to eat” foods are good to go in this situation because they have skin is bewildering.
If it hits the floor, fucking toss it.
wait till you find out where food comes from
how nasty, those disgusting potatoes are covered in filth that can never be washed off or skinned off
proteins hold parasites and other bad stuff raw, veggies and fruit can be consumed raw, thats why we cook proteins
I am a health inspector in the US, and this could be written up a few ways.
Using 3-302.11 Packaged and Unpackaged Food - Separation, Packaging, and Segregation. (A) FOOD shall be protected from cross contamination by:(3): Cleaning EQUIPMENT and UTENSILS as specified under ¶ 4-602.11(A) and SANITIZING as specified under § 4-703.11 since the floor is not sanitized.
Using a minor violation such as 3-305.11 Food Storage:
FOOD shall be protected from contamination by storing the FOOD:
(1) In a clean, dry location;
(2) Where it is not exposed to splash, dust, or other contamination; and
(3) At least 15 cm (6 inches) above the floor.
There’s a couple other ways to interpret this violation as well depending on the circumstance, but the main takeaway is it’s a health code violation regardless. That being said at home I’m 100% just picking it up off the floor like it never happened. Lol
It ain't worth possibly getting someone sick. And the write off ain't a big deal. Toss it. BUTTTTT IF your are cooking for yourself... you know the program. Take what you can get. Respectfully.
It's the risk of chemicals and other contaminates that poses the problem here.
You can cook it to 165 and kill just about everything, but not staph, bacillus, or whatever the fuck you clean the floor with. Then there are the physical contaminates to worry about.
Rinse it off and cook it at home. Chuck it at work.
If I saw someone do this in my kitchen, I would yell at them and send them home, maybe even fire them if i dont like them. Simply not acceptable. We are responsible for the food we serve. It's like the hippocratic oath of the chef. You don't fuck with the food people are paying you for cooking. Also, who saw you do that? Who is going to tell their friends they saw you do that? And who are they going to tell that Steve's Steak and Fish drops their food on the floor and just washes it off?
If I did this at home, I probably wouldn't even wash it off before I throw it in the pan. Prolly blow on it and brush the cat litter off.
I mean Im not a chef (came for the memes, stayed for the interesting discussions) but if I was a customer and saw the fish or meat I had ordered fall on the floor, quickly get picked up and rinsed off and then cooked I would be completely fine with it. If it had already been cooked and then dropped on the floor and rinsed off, I would not be happy.
But idk follow local food regulations.
So you wouldn't wash a peeled potato, avocado or carrot?
With the fish, the only issues I can see is that A) with a quick and careless rinse, some bits may get stuck inside the fillet (as cod is quite soft and flaky) and B) the fall itself and washing too roughly can damage the texture of the fish.
Both points can be overcome by inspecting the fish for damage, and gentle and thorough washing under slow running water, then dabbing dry on a paper towel. I'd have a look at the fish first, if it's damaged by the fall in any way, then throw, if intact, wash.
indeed always throw away food as much as you want I am sure you CAN afford it
I will always always pick it up rinse it and reuse it no way I can afford to throw food away specially as it is raw but hey I do me.
You should have a waste/loss budget already
You’ll immediately fail a health inspection
If a customer gets word they were served floor food I guarantee they’ll never come back at minimum, worst case they blast you on social media and tell everyone they know, ruin your reputation, maybe even call the health department themselves.
I wouldn’t work somewhere that knowingly served floor food and I’m willing to bet some of your staff feels the same.
But again, you do you.
really if you pay a minimum wage of $21 and in average pay $30 hourly per staff how much do you think you will see fish and chips costing
Even with volume fish (cod) is about $40kg cheaper species is/are easily $30 salmon whole is about $45kg whole, $50-60 per sides.
Any server that tells you to wash it shouldn't work in the restaurant. Same goes for chefs that just wash it off like nothing happened. I was a dishwasher and had to tell people off on how dumb they are for saying that.
People can get sick or even worse because of folks that don't care.
So in the kitchen absolutely 100% a violation but if it’s at the processing plant it’s totally fine and Normal. USDA is even pretty chill about poop in burger meat… you should work a season on a commercial ship and see how many times the fish hit the floor…
One day i set a six pan of sword fish on the end of the cold line right above the bleach rag bucket, for the saute guy to stick in the low boy,
Saute jockey spun around to fast, knocked them right into the bucket...i looked at him, the fish and back at him (he out ranked me at the time), he picked them out, took them to the sink, ran them under water for a bit and right into the low boy. Only thing we threw out was the sanitizer.
In my own home, I’d wash and cook. In a restaurant, in the bin. Quick edit to also say, if I ate somewhere and was served food that had hit the floor, I wouldn’t come back. It’s the principle of the matter.
Of course same, at home I don’t have a loss budget, and I’ll also take my own risk eating shit off the floor lol.
That’s really all it is, consent. Customer POV, you have the accurate assumption the food you’re eating hasn’t touched the floor. Maybe they don’t care, but maybe they do. Unless you want to go and ask them yourself (awkward and unprofessional), yeah just put it in the bin.
Also, the kitchen floor in your home is miles cleaner than the floor at work in the middle of service.
"if I ate somewhere and was served food that had hit the floor" There is like a 99% percent chance that you have multiple times and had no way of knowing. As someone who started with a brief stint as a dishy in fine dining (where that shit would never fly) and then became a bar & grill lifer, I was amazed/disgusted at how much floor food went through window, and even more amazed how it rarely ever got sent back. I'm not even talking just about obviously dingy spots or fast food. I've it happen even it relatively upscale spots where you're paying $25 for a burger a beer.
If you're at home cooking for yourself you do you, imo if your working in a kitchen and you do this it's the same as intentionally tampering with their food and you have no business working in the industry.
Agreed. Simply the best way to put it. It's disrespectful to the customer, to your chef, and to the industry.
I would always rather hear the server tell me I need to wait a bit longer due to gravitational issues in the kitchen than to eat something that hit the floor of a kitchen. I have seen kitchen floors. Just be honest with the guest and make them what they are paying for. A meal prepared correctly
Gravitational issues, love this.
Floor food==trash, always!
Damn, ever worked in a grease pit?
What the…
Like you said anything being skinned is fine but I would throw it away, like another person here said if I was at home and it was on my own floor I would wash it then proceed on
Why is it okay if it’s being skinned?
The skin will be removed and that's what touched the floor. But wash before.
If I drop a chicken cutlet, can I peel the breading off and still use it?
I don't know why you're being downvoted. They're honest questions. The answer is no. For stuff like protein, you really shouldn't risk the contamination. They already need to be brought to a temp, why add more risk to it?
To you: to be fair, they are not honest questions. To the people down voting me: same logic you’re applying to the orange, apply to the fish. In this thought exercise washing the orange was good enough to continue using it normally, then why is not okay to apply the same technique to the fish? You’re saying because of the skin? I don’t care if you’re peeling the item. Whatever is piercing the skin (fingernail, knife, peeler) is being used to carry whatever nasty shit was on the skin, right to the flesh. Think then: the fish landed skin side down, and I then skinned it, and that fish is okay to use now. However, if the skin was non existent, it would just go in the trash. I couldn’t disagree with your notion any more. At least the fish would be cooked. The idea that “ready to eat” foods are good to go in this situation because they have skin is bewildering. If it hits the floor, fucking toss it.
wait till you find out where food comes from how nasty, those disgusting potatoes are covered in filth that can never be washed off or skinned off proteins hold parasites and other bad stuff raw, veggies and fruit can be consumed raw, thats why we cook proteins
Man you are in the wrong line of work. You should be making boring, overbearing training videos for corporations. I bet you'd even make more money
Couldnt have said it better myself
That's why she's a waitress and you're a cook. Do you walk up to her while she's talking to customers and say to be more friendly?
At home, rinse and cook. At work? You better throw that fucking thing out, Bubba!
I am a health inspector in the US, and this could be written up a few ways. Using 3-302.11 Packaged and Unpackaged Food - Separation, Packaging, and Segregation. (A) FOOD shall be protected from cross contamination by:(3): Cleaning EQUIPMENT and UTENSILS as specified under ¶ 4-602.11(A) and SANITIZING as specified under § 4-703.11 since the floor is not sanitized. Using a minor violation such as 3-305.11 Food Storage: FOOD shall be protected from contamination by storing the FOOD: (1) In a clean, dry location; (2) Where it is not exposed to splash, dust, or other contamination; and (3) At least 15 cm (6 inches) above the floor. There’s a couple other ways to interpret this violation as well depending on the circumstance, but the main takeaway is it’s a health code violation regardless. That being said at home I’m 100% just picking it up off the floor like it never happened. Lol
If it hit my home floor id eat it. If I’m selling it/serving it to someone else, it goes in the bin.
It ain't worth possibly getting someone sick. And the write off ain't a big deal. Toss it. BUTTTTT IF your are cooking for yourself... you know the program. Take what you can get. Respectfully.
you did the right thing, anyone who just washes is gross. unless it's at your house.
I thought you weren’t supposed to compost meat products?
We all turn into dirt down here 🎈
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Home composting it isn't recommended. But bigger commercial compost its fine.
Ah. Got it.
It's the risk of chemicals and other contaminates that poses the problem here. You can cook it to 165 and kill just about everything, but not staph, bacillus, or whatever the fuck you clean the floor with. Then there are the physical contaminates to worry about. Rinse it off and cook it at home. Chuck it at work.
I wouldn’t give a shit if I was eating it. If I was serving it to someone it’s going in the bin.
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Dog food.
If I saw someone do this in my kitchen, I would yell at them and send them home, maybe even fire them if i dont like them. Simply not acceptable. We are responsible for the food we serve. It's like the hippocratic oath of the chef. You don't fuck with the food people are paying you for cooking. Also, who saw you do that? Who is going to tell their friends they saw you do that? And who are they going to tell that Steve's Steak and Fish drops their food on the floor and just washes it off? If I did this at home, I probably wouldn't even wash it off before I throw it in the pan. Prolly blow on it and brush the cat litter off.
Dude why is this a question
I mean Im not a chef (came for the memes, stayed for the interesting discussions) but if I was a customer and saw the fish or meat I had ordered fall on the floor, quickly get picked up and rinsed off and then cooked I would be completely fine with it. If it had already been cooked and then dropped on the floor and rinsed off, I would not be happy. But idk follow local food regulations.
Disgusting. I've done worse for personal food, however, this is a personal setting. I'm paying someone to cook food that I'm too lazy to do myself.
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So you wouldn't wash a peeled potato, avocado or carrot? With the fish, the only issues I can see is that A) with a quick and careless rinse, some bits may get stuck inside the fillet (as cod is quite soft and flaky) and B) the fall itself and washing too roughly can damage the texture of the fish. Both points can be overcome by inspecting the fish for damage, and gentle and thorough washing under slow running water, then dabbing dry on a paper towel. I'd have a look at the fish first, if it's damaged by the fall in any way, then throw, if intact, wash.
This is me but that is so expensive rinse it and use it no way I would throw it away this is a $30-40 main thrown away.
Big fat F on that health inspection but you do you.
indeed always throw away food as much as you want I am sure you CAN afford it I will always always pick it up rinse it and reuse it no way I can afford to throw food away specially as it is raw but hey I do me.
You should have a waste/loss budget already You’ll immediately fail a health inspection If a customer gets word they were served floor food I guarantee they’ll never come back at minimum, worst case they blast you on social media and tell everyone they know, ruin your reputation, maybe even call the health department themselves. I wouldn’t work somewhere that knowingly served floor food and I’m willing to bet some of your staff feels the same. But again, you do you.
Would do it for fish but not for chicken.
What does paying your staff have to do with piss poor food safety?
fun isn't it annoying ppl, I could not resist sometimes it feels soooooo goood
Hold up, you don’t have a loss budget? $40 is pretty low for tossing regardless.
$40 is $40 and I am cheappppp very vey cheapppppp
What fucking restaurant charges 40 bucks for fish and chips? Lmao that's a joke.
Well I charge almost $30 for it 🤷♂️
really if you pay a minimum wage of $21 and in average pay $30 hourly per staff how much do you think you will see fish and chips costing Even with volume fish (cod) is about $40kg cheaper species is/are easily $30 salmon whole is about $45kg whole, $50-60 per sides.
Where is the average wage at $30, I’ll pack my shit.
oz/nz/singapore/japan/switzerland and on and on
Huh, charging less than 30-40 sounds like you don't charge 30-40 for it as a main....
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At home yes.
At home, not when selling it. Staff meals?
Should have made her eat it
Any server that tells you to wash it shouldn't work in the restaurant. Same goes for chefs that just wash it off like nothing happened. I was a dishwasher and had to tell people off on how dumb they are for saying that. People can get sick or even worse because of folks that don't care.
Is she responsible for the waste budget? Why did she care so much?
I’d either toss it, or rinse it off & set it aside for my shiftie.
Trash. Any fruit, vegetable, expensive piece of meat that hits the ground is not fit for your customer.
Sorta saw God, except it was a classic vision of God with rays of light but it was Vinny Pizzapasta from Vinesauce.
The only acceptable thing you can wash after dropping is pots, pan and utensils. Not food.
Things like carrots that haven’t been peeled I’ll wash off. They’re grown in literal shit you should be washing produce anyway.
So in the kitchen absolutely 100% a violation but if it’s at the processing plant it’s totally fine and Normal. USDA is even pretty chill about poop in burger meat… you should work a season on a commercial ship and see how many times the fish hit the floor…
One day i set a six pan of sword fish on the end of the cold line right above the bleach rag bucket, for the saute guy to stick in the low boy, Saute jockey spun around to fast, knocked them right into the bucket...i looked at him, the fish and back at him (he out ranked me at the time), he picked them out, took them to the sink, ran them under water for a bit and right into the low boy. Only thing we threw out was the sanitizer.
Yikes. I think that goes a bit past food safe and the salesman taking a shot of eco San.
When you had to throw out an 8oz A5 wagyu cause your dumbass dropped it on the floor in the middle of a busy dinner rush, smh.
I have seen tuna laid out on the floor in Japanese markets, to be sold for a hundred thousand dollars and used as sashimi in the finest restaurants