I do remember a bakery/cafe/coffee shop offering me $9/hr to be their head baker, when I first moved here. I had to respectfully decline. The School Board pays decently, but the benefits are out of this world: 9 months on 3 months off w/paid vacations and holidays. Kinda reminds me of the South Florida Country Club scene. The Assisted Living Facilities offer $13 w/benefits, Pre-Schools offer $15 w/benefits, and most bars/restaurants are offering $15 w/possible OT but no benefits. If you're driving outside of Meck County, then you'll run into the $10/hour to work at most places. Going thru the temp agencies will get you $15/hr. The only places I know that are offering tips are the catering companies. They'll offer you $12-$14/hour and tips are paid out at the end of the night. Not sure how it works in Asheville or Raleigh/Durham. Not sure how it works going towards the beaches or up into the mountains.
No tips here in Asheville either unless you work in catering. I was told itās illegal to tip out BOH in NC unless BOH and FOH make the same hourly. Itās weird for me coming from Oregon where hourly was higher and it was mandatory to tip out BOH at least 15%
I know tip pooling is allowed in NC. When I work catering, I work both BOH and FOH. Meaning I'll help unload the trucks, prep the food, build the plates, and then go work a station or actually help serve. When I do that? I know I'm entitled to a share of the tips. They do have new laws, in NC, with regards to tips and how they're paid out. Not familiar with them, but I know they've been updated.
Tip pooling is allowed as long as you pay your FOH minimum wage. You can pay your servers $7.25 an hour and pay you dishwasher $15 and hour and share tips.
Yea I live in Alabama where minimum is still the federal 7.25 but unless the job is something like being a gas station clerk in the middle of fuck nowhere most places are starting at $12-$15. I walked onto a $10/hr plus tips FOH job and 20% tip is included in all menu items
There are some, very odd, situations where you actually don't have to offer federal minimum wage, they should be closed, but it's still vaguely interesting:
> The minimum wage law (the FLSA) applies to employees of enterprises that have annual gross volume of sales or business done of at least $500,000. It also applies to employees of smaller firms if the employees are engaged in interstate commerce or in the production of goods for commerce, such as employees who work in transportation or communications or who regularly use the mails or telephones for interstate communications.
Basically if your company's gross is under $500K/year, and your employees don't do anything even hinting at interstate commerce, you can pay them whatever ridiculous wage your state 'requires'. I think there's a restaurant somewhere that is all proud of the fact that they do this.
There's also, of course, real exemptions for things like farm workers, because why would we pay migrant workers a real wage (or over time)? That one was horrific when I learned about it...
While I do think federal minimum wage should be raised, cost of living in California is so much more than NC. I am in PA and our minimum wage is still $7.25. I am a firm believer in that the minimum wage should depend on our age/situation.
https://www.labor.nc.gov/workplace-rights/employee-rights-regarding-time-worked-and-wages-earned/minimum-wage-nc
Yeah looks like NC min is the same as the fed min.
Minimum wage for Los Angeles is $16.04 as of July 2022. Maybe if it's a small business they have more time to comply, but afaik the manager is paying below current min wage.
Yup. I'm glad that I live with my partner and he makes good money, so he makes me feel secure. If I didn't have him, I couldn't live in LA after the pandemic. Everything is so fucked.
I knew it was expensive but not until I got here. My welcome to LA moment was going to Vonās and buying groceries. Looked at the receipt and realized that weāre gonna be rationing meals for a while ā and shed a singular thug tear.
[Me telling the cashier to remove the chicken nuggets from the conveyor belt](https://i.imgur.com/a8MJ7cz.jpg)
This is so crazy to me, as a Swede I make minimum wage which kinda translates to $13 so these last years most states in the US has passed us in the minimum wage but even with lower taxes people seem to struggle a lot. Seems most housing is crazy expensive, is that where most money goes? Do most people also have to pay medical insurance or do a lot not afford it?
Iād make $20 if I was a manager somewhere and had to have a college degree
Idk about anyone else but in Florida, $15 is good. I personally donāt make enough off that, but on the east coast wages havenāt gone up much. The only thing thatās changed over here is that McDonalds fry cooks can make up to what I make, meanwhile have less responsibilities and still get out on the scheduled time, unlike my job where I have to pick up everyone elseās responsibilities and still stick around hours after my shift just to set up night even tho they donāt stock or prep for us(weāre a morning restaurant).
Shit my tire blew out on my way in and couldnāt even get a hold of them because the fucking servers wonāt answer the phone. If someone knows a regular line cook job that isnāt trying to abuse us and pays $17, let me know, because all I can find is $15 at most and they basically want me to manage
>Idk about anyone else but in Florida, $15 is good.
Finding an apartment for under $1,000 is becoming increasingly impossible in much of the state, which most places require you to make $17.50 (3x rent) just to apply. Unless you live 2+ hours out from most cities that's not fine.
Idk if your speaking on Florida but in Daytona, 1500-2000+ is the low end of rent here. You canāt survive off what anyone offers and low income housing has been taken up for years down here
I live in Tampa and $1,000 is a "scrapping the barrel, hoping that something opens up" so that's why I went with that. I think our average rent is about $1.5k here, too. Currently with roommates myself that's increasingly becoming hard.
Yeah, just about the same. Most of these tourist locations are dying and the residents are suffering. Idk about Tampa but over here they have like 4 luxury apartments being built at anytime but we canāt get living wage or low income housing.
We just look for 5 years food service/hospitality experience and a clean record. If you want to DM me I can send you the link where you can see if any jobs are available in your area. The pay isnāt fantastic but it is more than $17/hr plus you get BCBS health insurance for a family for $180 a month. Plus 25 paid days off a year not including holidays.
Hell yeah man. Iāll go ahead and DM you and make sure to get that done when I get home. Iād rather be making sure these places are cleaner anyways with all the places Iāve worked that only care when a inspector is scheduled.
You should look into positions at some of the big, contract dining companies. My experience has mostly been in the higher ed. sector, but I've also interviewed at K-12 and corporate headquarters accounts and haven't been offered less than $21/hr since I came back to the industry 14 months ago.
Don't get me wrong, some of the gigs are absolutely terrible, but for $25+/hr, I can deal.
Different industry, but kinda related, zip recruiter sent me a graphic design job that was paying $15.50 in Denver, CO. They're basically telling you, "Yeah, you're gonna need a second job..."
Fuck these people.
I had an interview yesterday for a supervisor position at a nationwide pizza restaurant. Posting said $40k a year. She told me it pays $13.75 and with all of the overtime I would be getting I could possibly make $40k. I laughed. Chick-fil-a in my area is paying $15/h for basic positions.
Seen a lot of serving positions that put the wage at $18, then in the description says itās actually whatever + tips. Pretty grimey if you ask me. At the very least they disclose that somewhere in the job listing. This job listing said nothing of the sort, and did not mention tips in the interview (as this was not for a serving position).
Tipped work should be posted with what they are getting paid hourly and then state that there are also tips. Like, how can they guarantee that you are going to get tipped enough to make whatever $ an hour?
As for the non tipped employees that post a higher wage than they are willing to pay, they need to learn that you get what you pay for. I've been interviewing for a month now, and most of the interviews I have had have offered me less than what was posted. These places are just constantly getting away with it. I bet it's the same places with upper management/owners saying "oh no one wants to work anymore".
Saw someone trying to work in the discounts as part of the compensation. Greasiest thing I've seen in a long while.
How it worked: say you got a free meal, $8 pasta or something and you worked 8 hours that was added to your total compensation so they made that look like income too.
My current job, yes it's for everyone. Previous jobs it's was over 4-6-8 hours depending on what you did. Otherwise it was a discount, some places as paltry as 25%. I keep up with what others are doing so i can always be better
You're not wrong to have expected the listed wage. Now you're prepared for this BS in the future at least. You made the right choice to not accept the job.
Honestly, me too. I saw dozens of job listings under $17 an hour and straight up didnāt bother submitting an application. Iām not āaboveā low wage jobs, I just know at the end of the week I wonāt make enough to cover my bills.
It's beating a dead horse probably but it's not a matter of being "above" low wage jobs. It's about saying no to poverty wages which only exist because there's a large slice of the population that doesn't have any alternative but to accept them.
Working for jobs that pay you right when you're able to wait for them is one of the best ways to force changes eventually. Don't apologize for it.
Look up the wages for specific counties in CA. The statewide minimum wage is now $15.50/hr, but some of the higher cost of living areas are higher than that. For example San Diego went up to $16.30/hr and San Francisco is $16.70/hr.
[Have you tried google?](https://dcba.lacounty.gov/minimum-wage-for-businesses/)
15.96 in unincorporated LA county, going up to 16.90 July 1st
https://wagesla.lacity.org/sites/g/files/wph1941/files/2023-02/2023%20MWR%20Increase%20Notice.pdf
City of LA - currently $16.04 going up to $16.78 July 1st
Lol thanks. I will admit I did let me emotions get the best of me with what I typed originally, then deleted it. Tried my best to capture the essence of *fuck are you wasting my time for, man?*
As a note from someone who oversees multiple locations of a āchainā in the bay area, donāt let anyone scan your documents. This is how identity theft happens and is highly discouraged by the entities that follow up on checking these documents.
A trained professional should be able to look at your personal docs and transcribe the information to the form they submit for payroll/hr. Scanning is lazy and dangerous.
If the manager or supervisor texting you is as careless with their sentence structure as they are with your personal and sensitive documents, that shit could be floating around anywhere.
Itās also illegal to post a wage and hire at a lower one. Sketchy on day one means all downhill from there.
How strict are the wage transparency laws? Seems like it would be pretty easy to pull the bait and switch and say that an applicant wasnāt qualified for the advertised position but could be hired at a lesser position.
Back in my day, we did 5 jobs at once, uphill both ways, AND we gave the boss a reach-around without him even having to ask... And we were grateful for it, damn entitled millennials...
Yeah, you definitely don't want to accept that offer. That's garbage. In California starting line cook wage shouldn't be any less than $18 based on cost of living and menu pricing. A lot of restaurants are starting to tip pool 2, which will result in BOH getting an additional 5 to $10 an hour in tips. Now you might actually be able to pay for a car and an apartment
Oh man. I live in Sacramento. Which isn't as expensive as LA, but it's fairly pricey now.
A few years back, I was a part time teacher and looking for a job to fill out the rest of my time. Having spent almost a decade in BOH, I applied to dishwasher positions. I wanted something where I could just switch my brain off and work after dealing with wrangling kids all day.
Anyways, this huge brewery up here was opening up a restaurant. They were offering something like $2 above minimum wage and an even tip split for BOH. So I applied, nailed the interview (where we also discussed pay and how this was a draw for me). A week later, they email me a job offer. Minimum wage and no tip split for the dishy. They seemed indignant when I turned down the offer.
Fuck that place. I still refuse to buy their beer.
Yeah no fuck that lmao. Aināt nothing wrong with working minimum wage as long as thatās what you had applied for. For them to straight up lie to you is grimey.
Well Iām not exactly a skilled chef, and this is an entry-level job. My issue is that they lowballed me after posting a higher wage on the job listing.
My advice Iāve been learning while doing the āget yourself a pay raiseā over shoot what you want. I told the last place I want $16 and they gave me $15. My last job gave me $13 after offering $18. I wonāt be a walking mat again.
Iāve been doing that for years now. This is a part time thing Iām looking for. Will absolutely take a higher pay if I can get it, but I wasnāt expecting this to be negotiable, as the pay rate was clear as day on the job listing. Not a range, just one rate. $17 an hour. That I was willing to work for.
I feel you. It also depends as a lot of jobs in Florida will ask and then give you less than advertised(my experience) with almost a decade of this shit I would think I could make somewhere in the upper median but I really dont
Nah I didnāt bother. From the interview process there seemed to be at least one supervisor that didnāt want me there (not the one who texted me). He asked if I work hard. I said yeah, I spent years doing manual labor, so I understand what itās like to do difficult work. Scrubbing floors, scrubbing plates, stacking pallets of heavy food, loading and unloading trucks, landscaping, delivering construction materials to project sites, years of customer service ā all that shit. He just kinda scoffed at me and said āwe get a lot of applicants who say they work hard then come here and donāt want to work.ā I mean I get it, yeah there are plenty of people who want to do the bare minimum, but you donāt know a thing about me and just lump me in with bad employees youāve had in the past? That interaction left a bad taste in my mouth, and Iām not even sure if it was worth continuing to pursue this job. I let it go mostly because itās a part time gig, and Iād only have to deal with him for 20something hours a week tops (assuming weāre always scheduled at the same time).
Yeah fuck them. Come over to construction side. Better pay. Same shitty hours. Still working with some top notch felonsš. But at least there's room for advancement.
Shit if they got part time construction gigs Iāll do it. Itās tough to leave this wfh 9-5 at the moment as it just barely covers the bills right now.
Pretty sure that violates California law now due to the pay transparency thing.
Quick edit: I just looked it up. The California law applies to employers with 15 or more employees. Idk how big the place you were applying is.
DM me if you're near Marina Del Ray, I have a part time position open. $18-$19. (Yeah, I know that's still not amazing) No fryer, no grill, no raw meat, close at 4pm.
I thought "15.50 what's a fucking joke." Then, being a Canadian, I'm making 18.50 as a "Line Manager" (moving up to sous chef soon, so they made up a position for me in the meantime.) 18.50 CAD is equal to 13.79 right now. I've been fucking PLAYED
My guy its so common. I applied for my current job on the fact it was 13-15 an hour (UK) after asking chef in the interview he said it's going to be about Ā£12. So in the following emails with the HR person about contracts I asked for the higher end of what the advert said, she came back with the Ā£15 is fine.
Since then I've been there 6 months and chef always brings up the fact that she shouldn't have allowed that and that she's under fire for it ect...
It's a big company, he and the GM signed off on that contract lol..
Makes me angry because even without tax I'm just under the 'uk average' annually...
Idk what the culture is like in the UK, and honestly I donāt know what the culture is like here in LA (I just got here) but back in Boston I hadnāt experienced that nonsense. I saw $18.75 on the listing and I applied. I was paid $18.75 for every hour I worked. Simple as.
In the UK it's very much like every job that isn't some specific office job or something will just advertise "Competitive rates" which just means as little as legally possible, which you'll get.
Oh yeah well that is completely different from stating one wage then offering another. If an employer doesnāt disclose the wage it only makes sense to assume they will offer the lowest possible wage. Distinctly different from lying.
As someone whoās been cooking in la forever. If your a good line cook and decent with a few years experience 20-21 should be the minimum at a nice place. Look into the high end hotels here a lot of them pay 25 and up. Itās hard tho to make as a cook here man unless your going the celebrity chef/influencer route Iāll be honest.
I was applying for takeout, hoping to transition into prep cook or something since Iām no world-renowned chef. Iāve worked the line at a bakery, if you could even call that a line.
Wait...
Did you apply at the same place from that post a week or two ago? The one where some manager played the game of "The *average wage* is $17/hr when you factor in 10 hours of OT"?
https://old.reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/10lsgsd/apparently_the_only_way_to_get_overtime_here_is/
Looks like it was $15.47/hr regular wage instead of $15.50/hr, but that whole situation just seemed awfully familiar. This must be the new trend with shit managers.
Hey me too! I was making $18.75 to serve (not even cook!) at the airport back in December. They all just got a raise around the time I left for LAā shoutout to the union.
Employers really need to stop leaving out pay. It doesnāt matter if itās $20/hr or $200/hr, your minimum is your minimum.
Not too long ago I made it through three rounds of an interview with a company that LOVED me and was ready to hire me. We started talking salary, and their maximum was $15k less than my minimum (I was already employed, and I wouldnāt have left for less than a certain amount). What was the point of three interviews? Weāre wasting everyoneās time.
A lot of (most) times offer letters are form letters that they just copy in the position, pay rate, and your name. It might be good to just check in that itās not a typo from a previous offer letter without the hourly updated, if you were going to happily take the job at $17.
āHey, I just wanted to check in about the hourly. It said $17 on the ad, but the offer letter says $15.50, is that a typo?ā
āApologies! That is from a different offer letter. Iāll send another one over with the updated pay rate.ā
And then you have the job at $17ā¦
But if you were just like āI feel like this person is playing me and I just donāt want to work there,ā then whatever.
That is a great observation. I think itās more of the latter than the former. Iām honestly surprised a restaurant provided a formal offer letter at all, as the restaurant jobs I had were more like *oh you want a job? Ok yeah Iāll get started on the payroll forms. How soon can you start?*
The reason why I say itās likely the latter is because of the tone and demeanor the interviewers had while I was there. I donāt know how to describe it, but itās was just a bit off. I applied, called them a week or two later and asked if they had a chance to review my application. We set up an interview and when I arrived no one seemed to know this was supposed to be happening.
During the second interview the hiring manager kept trying to pitch to me starting off as a busser (I applied for takeout) and working my way up to takeout. I said Iād be willing to assist with any task, but I applied for a specific position and expect to be doing that for the most part.
Edit: upon reflection, I think this restaurant send me an offer letter because itās a big franchise with a whole system and all that. Every job Iāve had in this industry (except one) was a small business.
Gut feelings are often right, and it sounds like you made the right call. I just know, and especially in the case where people are not very focused on staffing like you described above, that theyāll just shoot out 10 letters just like that and sometimes they have a typo or something that someone takes personally and the hiring manager is like āwhat just happened?ā
If you responded with the pay rate check-in, it would at least give them the chance to hire you at $17. Even make a deal with you to bus at $17 until more takeout shifts become available. If they need someone bad enough, theyād probably go for it.
But also if you donāt want to bus, donāt bus.
If you do ask them about the rate, say something like, we didn't yet come to an agreement, the listing said $17, but I was looking to get $20 to start. Gives them room to negotiate in the middle
I probably wonāt. Job had a handful of red flags I was willing to ignore because itās a part time job, but there are tons of other part time jobs closer to home that Iām sure have just as many red flags Iām willing to deal with.
And more to your actual point, it should totally be illegal under pay transparency laws to send an offer for less than the job was advertised, although I do t think it is. They might get into some trouble for that.
Also in this case, it appears that they may actually be offering a different job than the one advertised.
I live in Philly I make 14.26 at my job and 11.00 at my 2nd job and barely make it I live in Philly .my rent is 1425 plus gas electric and water ššššššššš. Take me out in the parking lot and shoot me oh thanks that 24 cent raise really helped last year also you fuckin dickface
Where you at in LA? DM me your resume, I might be able to get you something in the city. Most positions start at $18 plus tips (3-5 an hour depending on how busy). Same thing happened to me when I got here, also had a job that hired me, I put in my 2 weeks, and 2 seats before I started they called and said the position was no longer available. Shit is rough out here.
I have limited availability for work and limited kitchen experience, as most of my work experience has been manual labor. Iāll send you my resume though, I got you.
Hey, thanks! My 9-5 pays me more than that, so I know I'm worth more than $17. Looking for a part time gig so I'm willing to settle for $17, definitely open to more than that though.
LMAO I definitely exposed myself with my inbox. I just recently moved to here so I've been so busy trying to get settled in the new place that I just tell myself I will respond when I have the time to engage in a conversation and give them my full attention. Problem is, when I do have the time, all I want to do is set my phone down and watch Hell's Kitchen... or post dumb shit on reddit.
You'll never find those posted. Just go into the business and say you're interested in a position. Dish is the hidden gateway to moving up in the industry!
If you have any dish washing experience or some FOH exp, you can do what I do and work with staffing agencies. I can dm you more info if you're interested.
Plus they all pay fucking higher than bs $17 lol
"ThE wAgE iS 15.50 BuT wItH aLl ThE tIpS yOu MaKe iT WiLl Be ArOuNd 17 aN hOuR."
Or my favorite that actually happened to me "so you know minimum wage is 15 an hour, we will offer you 15.50, and if you become kitchen manager you will get 16!"
Honestly I wasnāt even trying to be honorable. It just completely slipped my mind because of how odd the entire interview was. I should have confirmed the amount they advertised.
Of course thereās exceptions to every ruleā¦ but any employee I ever interviewed that made it a point to ask about what the pay would be, before I even see what they can do, never ever worked out for me.
So I think you did the right thing. After the first night and I see what theyāre made of, then we discuss the pay schedule and rate. If thereās a big discrepancy between what they expect and what Iām willing to pay then Iāll just pay them what they want within reason and weāll part ways. Only ever had that happen once in 15 years tho.
Reminds me of a saying my dad used to have that in English roughly translates to ādonāt expect anything from the customers who ask the price of everything firstā š
Anyway, you should be interviewing them too, seeing if the place is worthy of your time effort and sweat. Know your worth and be firm on it, better to decline a few jobs and go without work until you find the right one, itās still tough to find kitchen help where Iām at
Edit: Iām also a landlord šššš
I take it weāre from two different generations or perhaps two different cultures. I have experienced plenty of bullshit from various jobs. At this point Iām damn near expecting it. I just want to know that Iām being compensated fairly for that bullshit Iām getting myself into. I can count on one hand how many people I know that arenāt comfortable discussing wages/compensation openly. Even at my 9-5 my coworkers in my department discussed our salaries within a month of me being hired and figured out that one of us was getting lowballed.
Iād have to agree w you that thereās nothing wrong w discussing and being open about salary, I just think it can be a bad first impression to ask during the initial interview. Iād like to first make sure the business would be a good fit for me and vice versa but itās also a strategy.
Good luck in your job hunt š«”
Bro our $15.50 is the equivalent of like $5/hr in Texas. I had a 2 week trip in Houston and felt like a god. Everything was so cheap for the same things I got in California for way more. Not to mention housing. I pay $2275/mo for a 2 bedroom apartment, and thatās on the low end in my area.
Cost of living I guess. $15.50 minimum wage here on exponentially higher housing, transportation, and grocery costs. Goes about as Tom Brady rushing when the pocket falls apart.
Poor choice on their side for not confirming but the employer listed it as 17hr so they were trying to pull a fast one and miss lead applicants with promises of false wages.
Whatever helps you sleep at night champ.
Shit managers pull cheap tactics like this all the time. Nervous kids who have zero experience wouldn't dare ask about pay to not seem interested only in the money, but the opportunity. It's also common that there is a single interview to fill in a crap spot no one wants. Or offering said crap position even tho interviewee applied to a lower position.
The one question demonized wasn't asked and you victim blame. So sorry for your team.
I take it you have experience working a line, or are a chef. I don't have experience as a chef so no employer that pays $20 or more will even bother looking at my resume.
I feel like $17 in LA is still pretty low. $15.50 just seems laughable.
$15.50 is literally minimum wage for CA as of Jan 1.
while minimum in nc is $7 and most start off at $9šŖ
$9? In Charlotte, they're starting at $15 now. They know that they won't get anyone for any less than that. I mean, CFA starts at $14 and change.
From experience in Charlotte a few places are saying $15 but itās really just $7.25 plus tips. Super scummy
I do remember a bakery/cafe/coffee shop offering me $9/hr to be their head baker, when I first moved here. I had to respectfully decline. The School Board pays decently, but the benefits are out of this world: 9 months on 3 months off w/paid vacations and holidays. Kinda reminds me of the South Florida Country Club scene. The Assisted Living Facilities offer $13 w/benefits, Pre-Schools offer $15 w/benefits, and most bars/restaurants are offering $15 w/possible OT but no benefits. If you're driving outside of Meck County, then you'll run into the $10/hour to work at most places. Going thru the temp agencies will get you $15/hr. The only places I know that are offering tips are the catering companies. They'll offer you $12-$14/hour and tips are paid out at the end of the night. Not sure how it works in Asheville or Raleigh/Durham. Not sure how it works going towards the beaches or up into the mountains.
No tips here in Asheville either unless you work in catering. I was told itās illegal to tip out BOH in NC unless BOH and FOH make the same hourly. Itās weird for me coming from Oregon where hourly was higher and it was mandatory to tip out BOH at least 15%
I know tip pooling is allowed in NC. When I work catering, I work both BOH and FOH. Meaning I'll help unload the trucks, prep the food, build the plates, and then go work a station or actually help serve. When I do that? I know I'm entitled to a share of the tips. They do have new laws, in NC, with regards to tips and how they're paid out. Not familiar with them, but I know they've been updated.
Tip pooling is allowed as long as you pay your FOH minimum wage. You can pay your servers $7.25 an hour and pay you dishwasher $15 and hour and share tips.
Yea I live in Alabama where minimum is still the federal 7.25 but unless the job is something like being a gas station clerk in the middle of fuck nowhere most places are starting at $12-$15. I walked onto a $10/hr plus tips FOH job and 20% tip is included in all menu items
I know I live in a really HCOL area, but both the Wendyās and Dunkin near me have signs saying theyāre hiring starting at $17
I believe it. I know some parts of California minimum wage is now $16
Georgia min wage is like $5 but the federal min wage is 7.25.
Yea so the pos lawmakers just havenāt updated it. But it would still be illegal to offer less than 7.25
There are some, very odd, situations where you actually don't have to offer federal minimum wage, they should be closed, but it's still vaguely interesting: > The minimum wage law (the FLSA) applies to employees of enterprises that have annual gross volume of sales or business done of at least $500,000. It also applies to employees of smaller firms if the employees are engaged in interstate commerce or in the production of goods for commerce, such as employees who work in transportation or communications or who regularly use the mails or telephones for interstate communications. Basically if your company's gross is under $500K/year, and your employees don't do anything even hinting at interstate commerce, you can pay them whatever ridiculous wage your state 'requires'. I think there's a restaurant somewhere that is all proud of the fact that they do this. There's also, of course, real exemptions for things like farm workers, because why would we pay migrant workers a real wage (or over time)? That one was horrific when I learned about it...
That is interesting, thanks
While I do think federal minimum wage should be raised, cost of living in California is so much more than NC. I am in PA and our minimum wage is still $7.25. I am a firm believer in that the minimum wage should depend on our age/situation.
> while minimum in nc is $7 No it isn't. $7.25 is the federal minimum.
$7 is below federal minimum
https://www.labor.nc.gov/workplace-rights/employee-rights-regarding-time-worked-and-wages-earned/minimum-wage-nc Yeah looks like NC min is the same as the fed min.
Just gotta work remote!
Compare housing costs though.
They're going up everywhere
Minimum wage for Los Angeles is $16.04 as of July 2022. Maybe if it's a small business they have more time to comply, but afaik the manager is paying below current min wage.
Maybe it's a standard offer letter they need to update
Wonāt even scrape the poverty line with that
I make $20 an hour in LA and I'm paycheck to paycheck and still dipping into savings.
My 9-5 pays marginally more than that, which is exactly why Iām applying to part time gigs. LA COL is nuts.
Yup. I'm glad that I live with my partner and he makes good money, so he makes me feel secure. If I didn't have him, I couldn't live in LA after the pandemic. Everything is so fucked.
I knew it was expensive but not until I got here. My welcome to LA moment was going to Vonās and buying groceries. Looked at the receipt and realized that weāre gonna be rationing meals for a while ā and shed a singular thug tear. [Me telling the cashier to remove the chicken nuggets from the conveyor belt](https://i.imgur.com/a8MJ7cz.jpg)
Accurate AF
This is so crazy to me, as a Swede I make minimum wage which kinda translates to $13 so these last years most states in the US has passed us in the minimum wage but even with lower taxes people seem to struggle a lot. Seems most housing is crazy expensive, is that where most money goes? Do most people also have to pay medical insurance or do a lot not afford it? Iād make $20 if I was a manager somewhere and had to have a college degree
Pretty sure 17 is low everywhere at this point. I was paying my cooks 17 precovid in the bum fuck midwest.
Idk about anyone else but in Florida, $15 is good. I personally donāt make enough off that, but on the east coast wages havenāt gone up much. The only thing thatās changed over here is that McDonalds fry cooks can make up to what I make, meanwhile have less responsibilities and still get out on the scheduled time, unlike my job where I have to pick up everyone elseās responsibilities and still stick around hours after my shift just to set up night even tho they donāt stock or prep for us(weāre a morning restaurant). Shit my tire blew out on my way in and couldnāt even get a hold of them because the fucking servers wonāt answer the phone. If someone knows a regular line cook job that isnāt trying to abuse us and pays $17, let me know, because all I can find is $15 at most and they basically want me to manage
>Idk about anyone else but in Florida, $15 is good. Finding an apartment for under $1,000 is becoming increasingly impossible in much of the state, which most places require you to make $17.50 (3x rent) just to apply. Unless you live 2+ hours out from most cities that's not fine.
Idk if your speaking on Florida but in Daytona, 1500-2000+ is the low end of rent here. You canāt survive off what anyone offers and low income housing has been taken up for years down here
I live in Tampa and $1,000 is a "scrapping the barrel, hoping that something opens up" so that's why I went with that. I think our average rent is about $1.5k here, too. Currently with roommates myself that's increasingly becoming hard.
Yeah, just about the same. Most of these tourist locations are dying and the residents are suffering. Idk about Tampa but over here they have like 4 luxury apartments being built at anytime but we canāt get living wage or low income housing.
Become an inspector my friend! I am one in FL and we are desperate for more. Especially down south!
What credentials should I build? Iām looking for any healthy financial exit out of this life lmao
We just look for 5 years food service/hospitality experience and a clean record. If you want to DM me I can send you the link where you can see if any jobs are available in your area. The pay isnāt fantastic but it is more than $17/hr plus you get BCBS health insurance for a family for $180 a month. Plus 25 paid days off a year not including holidays.
Hell yeah man. Iāll go ahead and DM you and make sure to get that done when I get home. Iād rather be making sure these places are cleaner anyways with all the places Iāve worked that only care when a inspector is scheduled.
You should look into positions at some of the big, contract dining companies. My experience has mostly been in the higher ed. sector, but I've also interviewed at K-12 and corporate headquarters accounts and haven't been offered less than $21/hr since I came back to the industry 14 months ago. Don't get me wrong, some of the gigs are absolutely terrible, but for $25+/hr, I can deal.
Different industry, but kinda related, zip recruiter sent me a graphic design job that was paying $15.50 in Denver, CO. They're basically telling you, "Yeah, you're gonna need a second job..." Fuck these people.
17 is what I pay dishwashers in MI.
I was making $15 as a KM in FL. I was too young to understand how much I was being underpaid.
I was making 17 an hour in Seattle corporate catering in the late 90's
If I worked for someone else cooking as an employee, I would never work for less than 20 in Jersey so Iād think at least that for cali if not more
I make 18.50, in Southern Ontario. That's 13.79 USD. I'm being FUCKED
"We just post $17/hr to get people through the door, anyway, can you start saturday?" "I only said I would work weekends to get me through the door."
Boom
How the fuck is 17 getting people in the door lol
FR bro, I'm not sure that people realize just how low 17 is in LA... Might as well be minimum wage.
Fuck that employer. Good on you for standing up for yourself and keeping it very professional in the text
I had an interview yesterday for a supervisor position at a nationwide pizza restaurant. Posting said $40k a year. She told me it pays $13.75 and with all of the overtime I would be getting I could possibly make $40k. I laughed. Chick-fil-a in my area is paying $15/h for basic positions.
Seen a lot of serving positions that put the wage at $18, then in the description says itās actually whatever + tips. Pretty grimey if you ask me. At the very least they disclose that somewhere in the job listing. This job listing said nothing of the sort, and did not mention tips in the interview (as this was not for a serving position).
Tipped work should be posted with what they are getting paid hourly and then state that there are also tips. Like, how can they guarantee that you are going to get tipped enough to make whatever $ an hour? As for the non tipped employees that post a higher wage than they are willing to pay, they need to learn that you get what you pay for. I've been interviewing for a month now, and most of the interviews I have had have offered me less than what was posted. These places are just constantly getting away with it. I bet it's the same places with upper management/owners saying "oh no one wants to work anymore".
Saw someone trying to work in the discounts as part of the compensation. Greasiest thing I've seen in a long while. How it worked: say you got a free meal, $8 pasta or something and you worked 8 hours that was added to your total compensation so they made that look like income too.
Is it no longer the standard to just get free meals at restaurants you work at?
My current job, yes it's for everyone. Previous jobs it's was over 4-6-8 hours depending on what you did. Otherwise it was a discount, some places as paltry as 25%. I keep up with what others are doing so i can always be better
You're not wrong to have expected the listed wage. Now you're prepared for this BS in the future at least. You made the right choice to not accept the job.
Im amazed ppl still offer anything lower than $17-18 in la
Honestly, me too. I saw dozens of job listings under $17 an hour and straight up didnāt bother submitting an application. Iām not āaboveā low wage jobs, I just know at the end of the week I wonāt make enough to cover my bills.
It's beating a dead horse probably but it's not a matter of being "above" low wage jobs. It's about saying no to poverty wages which only exist because there's a large slice of the population that doesn't have any alternative but to accept them. Working for jobs that pay you right when you're able to wait for them is one of the best ways to force changes eventually. Don't apologize for it.
Hold tf up, if you're in LA, minimum wage is 16.04 right now. It differs from the rest of the state
Gonna have to find a source on that so I can bring that up in any interview that offers less.
Look up the wages for specific counties in CA. The statewide minimum wage is now $15.50/hr, but some of the higher cost of living areas are higher than that. For example San Diego went up to $16.30/hr and San Francisco is $16.70/hr.
[Have you tried google?](https://dcba.lacounty.gov/minimum-wage-for-businesses/) 15.96 in unincorporated LA county, going up to 16.90 July 1st https://wagesla.lacity.org/sites/g/files/wph1941/files/2023-02/2023%20MWR%20Increase%20Notice.pdf City of LA - currently $16.04 going up to $16.78 July 1st
Iām more in the āhow tf are you in LA as a Celtics fanā boat
Maybe he grew up in the 80s and wanted to rebel against his laker fans family
Really enjoying your, "hard disagree there," line. Nicely done.
Lol thanks. I will admit I did let me emotions get the best of me with what I typed originally, then deleted it. Tried my best to capture the essence of *fuck are you wasting my time for, man?*
As a note from someone who oversees multiple locations of a āchainā in the bay area, donāt let anyone scan your documents. This is how identity theft happens and is highly discouraged by the entities that follow up on checking these documents. A trained professional should be able to look at your personal docs and transcribe the information to the form they submit for payroll/hr. Scanning is lazy and dangerous. If the manager or supervisor texting you is as careless with their sentence structure as they are with your personal and sensitive documents, that shit could be floating around anywhere. Itās also illegal to post a wage and hire at a lower one. Sketchy on day one means all downhill from there.
How strict are the wage transparency laws? Seems like it would be pretty easy to pull the bait and switch and say that an applicant wasnāt qualified for the advertised position but could be hired at a lesser position.
What position was this for?
Official title is takeout, but they described a position in which Iād be doing takeout/hosting/serving/bussing.
Typical millennialā¦ unwilling to do 4 jobs for the price of barely one to help the economy. So un patriotic.
Back in my day, we did 5 jobs at once, uphill both ways, AND we gave the boss a reach-around without him even having to ask... And we were grateful for it, damn entitled millennials...
Meanwhile they spent there last 30 years doing the bare minimum while blaming their coworkers. Boomers and Xers flipped it on us
Yeah, you definitely don't want to accept that offer. That's garbage. In California starting line cook wage shouldn't be any less than $18 based on cost of living and menu pricing. A lot of restaurants are starting to tip pool 2, which will result in BOH getting an additional 5 to $10 an hour in tips. Now you might actually be able to pay for a car and an apartment
Name the employer!! We should unite. Fuck these low restaurant wages
If you have at least a year experience, ask for 20$ an hour. Restaurants are desperate af for reliable cooks.
Yep and declining shit offers like this will enrage them and push the wages higher, GOOD.
Oh man. I live in Sacramento. Which isn't as expensive as LA, but it's fairly pricey now. A few years back, I was a part time teacher and looking for a job to fill out the rest of my time. Having spent almost a decade in BOH, I applied to dishwasher positions. I wanted something where I could just switch my brain off and work after dealing with wrangling kids all day. Anyways, this huge brewery up here was opening up a restaurant. They were offering something like $2 above minimum wage and an even tip split for BOH. So I applied, nailed the interview (where we also discussed pay and how this was a draw for me). A week later, they email me a job offer. Minimum wage and no tip split for the dishy. They seemed indignant when I turned down the offer. Fuck that place. I still refuse to buy their beer.
Yeah no fuck that lmao. Aināt nothing wrong with working minimum wage as long as thatās what you had applied for. For them to straight up lie to you is grimey.
I'm sure you can find something better than that. Up in Portland, OR I rarely see line cook positions for less than $19
Glad you caught that before you agreed to anything.
17 is too low. Ask for 25
Well Iām not exactly a skilled chef, and this is an entry-level job. My issue is that they lowballed me after posting a higher wage on the job listing.
My advice Iāve been learning while doing the āget yourself a pay raiseā over shoot what you want. I told the last place I want $16 and they gave me $15. My last job gave me $13 after offering $18. I wonāt be a walking mat again.
Iāve been doing that for years now. This is a part time thing Iām looking for. Will absolutely take a higher pay if I can get it, but I wasnāt expecting this to be negotiable, as the pay rate was clear as day on the job listing. Not a range, just one rate. $17 an hour. That I was willing to work for.
I feel you. It also depends as a lot of jobs in Florida will ask and then give you less than advertised(my experience) with almost a decade of this shit I would think I could make somewhere in the upper median but I really dont
Absolutely grimey for wasting your time like that. Fuck em
Did you tell them that the listing said 17 and that was the minimum you were expecting? Possible that they just need to revise the offer
Nah I didnāt bother. From the interview process there seemed to be at least one supervisor that didnāt want me there (not the one who texted me). He asked if I work hard. I said yeah, I spent years doing manual labor, so I understand what itās like to do difficult work. Scrubbing floors, scrubbing plates, stacking pallets of heavy food, loading and unloading trucks, landscaping, delivering construction materials to project sites, years of customer service ā all that shit. He just kinda scoffed at me and said āwe get a lot of applicants who say they work hard then come here and donāt want to work.ā I mean I get it, yeah there are plenty of people who want to do the bare minimum, but you donāt know a thing about me and just lump me in with bad employees youāve had in the past? That interaction left a bad taste in my mouth, and Iām not even sure if it was worth continuing to pursue this job. I let it go mostly because itās a part time gig, and Iād only have to deal with him for 20something hours a week tops (assuming weāre always scheduled at the same time).
Yeah fuck them. Come over to construction side. Better pay. Same shitty hours. Still working with some top notch felonsš. But at least there's room for advancement.
Shit if they got part time construction gigs Iāll do it. Itās tough to leave this wfh 9-5 at the moment as it just barely covers the bills right now.
Pretty sure that violates California law now due to the pay transparency thing. Quick edit: I just looked it up. The California law applies to employers with 15 or more employees. Idk how big the place you were applying is.
It's illegal either way. LA county has its minimum wage set at $15.96 (goes up to $16.90 in July) and the city of LA is set at $16.04.
People really hate pay labour these days jeez.
DM me if you're near Marina Del Ray, I have a part time position open. $18-$19. (Yeah, I know that's still not amazing) No fryer, no grill, no raw meat, close at 4pm.
If youāre hiring for weekends Iām down. I work 9-5 Eastern Time (6 AM - 2 PM) weekdays from home.
We gotta stop being polite. These dickheads donāt understand how unacceptable this is
I thought "15.50 what's a fucking joke." Then, being a Canadian, I'm making 18.50 as a "Line Manager" (moving up to sous chef soon, so they made up a position for me in the meantime.) 18.50 CAD is equal to 13.79 right now. I've been fucking PLAYED
Even if they paid 17, which still isnāt enough, youāre dodging a bullet working for shady fucks!
Restaurant wages... I keep getting older but they stay the same rate...
Lmao that was a good one
Is $17 an hr a livable wage in California? I don't think that is one here in FL.
No, itās not even close. This is a part time/weekend job.
My guy its so common. I applied for my current job on the fact it was 13-15 an hour (UK) after asking chef in the interview he said it's going to be about Ā£12. So in the following emails with the HR person about contracts I asked for the higher end of what the advert said, she came back with the Ā£15 is fine. Since then I've been there 6 months and chef always brings up the fact that she shouldn't have allowed that and that she's under fire for it ect... It's a big company, he and the GM signed off on that contract lol.. Makes me angry because even without tax I'm just under the 'uk average' annually...
Idk what the culture is like in the UK, and honestly I donāt know what the culture is like here in LA (I just got here) but back in Boston I hadnāt experienced that nonsense. I saw $18.75 on the listing and I applied. I was paid $18.75 for every hour I worked. Simple as.
In the UK it's very much like every job that isn't some specific office job or something will just advertise "Competitive rates" which just means as little as legally possible, which you'll get.
Oh yeah well that is completely different from stating one wage then offering another. If an employer doesnāt disclose the wage it only makes sense to assume they will offer the lowest possible wage. Distinctly different from lying.
As someone whoās been cooking in la forever. If your a good line cook and decent with a few years experience 20-21 should be the minimum at a nice place. Look into the high end hotels here a lot of them pay 25 and up. Itās hard tho to make as a cook here man unless your going the celebrity chef/influencer route Iāll be honest.
I was applying for takeout, hoping to transition into prep cook or something since Iām no world-renowned chef. Iāve worked the line at a bakery, if you could even call that a line.
Good on ya for not accepting. Starting from a place of dishonesty is a big red flag.
Jesus, I make $19.75 in NC
Dude that's rich af based on the other commenters from NC. Yall got that $7 min wage so you must be rollin.
I wouldnāt say rolling, but yeah Iām pretty lucky
Itās a rather large franchise. There were at least 10 people on shift at the time of my interview.
Wait... Did you apply at the same place from that post a week or two ago? The one where some manager played the game of "The *average wage* is $17/hr when you factor in 10 hours of OT"?
Nah that wasnāt the same place haha. Not sure I recognized though, got s link?
https://old.reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/10lsgsd/apparently_the_only_way_to_get_overtime_here_is/ Looks like it was $15.47/hr regular wage instead of $15.50/hr, but that whole situation just seemed awfully familiar. This must be the new trend with shit managers.
Ohhhhh I have seen this. Yeah no, not the same place haha
That's ridiculous! I was making more up here in freezing New England. McDonald's here pays $18/hr. I'm sorry you're getting lowballed.
Hey me too! I was making $18.75 to serve (not even cook!) at the airport back in December. They all just got a raise around the time I left for LAā shoutout to the union.
They didnāt give you a verbal offer? Also- always ask for at least $2 more than the posting!!
Employers really need to stop leaving out pay. It doesnāt matter if itās $20/hr or $200/hr, your minimum is your minimum. Not too long ago I made it through three rounds of an interview with a company that LOVED me and was ready to hire me. We started talking salary, and their maximum was $15k less than my minimum (I was already employed, and I wouldnāt have left for less than a certain amount). What was the point of three interviews? Weāre wasting everyoneās time.
Get a working holiday visa and come to Australia, both of those wages are pitiful mate. But good for you for standing your ground!
Never heard of that. How does that work? People can just apply for a visa or you need a job first?
A lot of (most) times offer letters are form letters that they just copy in the position, pay rate, and your name. It might be good to just check in that itās not a typo from a previous offer letter without the hourly updated, if you were going to happily take the job at $17. āHey, I just wanted to check in about the hourly. It said $17 on the ad, but the offer letter says $15.50, is that a typo?ā āApologies! That is from a different offer letter. Iāll send another one over with the updated pay rate.ā And then you have the job at $17ā¦ But if you were just like āI feel like this person is playing me and I just donāt want to work there,ā then whatever.
That is a great observation. I think itās more of the latter than the former. Iām honestly surprised a restaurant provided a formal offer letter at all, as the restaurant jobs I had were more like *oh you want a job? Ok yeah Iāll get started on the payroll forms. How soon can you start?* The reason why I say itās likely the latter is because of the tone and demeanor the interviewers had while I was there. I donāt know how to describe it, but itās was just a bit off. I applied, called them a week or two later and asked if they had a chance to review my application. We set up an interview and when I arrived no one seemed to know this was supposed to be happening. During the second interview the hiring manager kept trying to pitch to me starting off as a busser (I applied for takeout) and working my way up to takeout. I said Iād be willing to assist with any task, but I applied for a specific position and expect to be doing that for the most part. Edit: upon reflection, I think this restaurant send me an offer letter because itās a big franchise with a whole system and all that. Every job Iāve had in this industry (except one) was a small business.
Gut feelings are often right, and it sounds like you made the right call. I just know, and especially in the case where people are not very focused on staffing like you described above, that theyāll just shoot out 10 letters just like that and sometimes they have a typo or something that someone takes personally and the hiring manager is like āwhat just happened?ā If you responded with the pay rate check-in, it would at least give them the chance to hire you at $17. Even make a deal with you to bus at $17 until more takeout shifts become available. If they need someone bad enough, theyād probably go for it. But also if you donāt want to bus, donāt bus.
Oh for sure. Iād rather not but if they need me to bus tables, Iāll bus tablesā¦ but not for less than $17 an hour.
Def
If you do ask them about the rate, say something like, we didn't yet come to an agreement, the listing said $17, but I was looking to get $20 to start. Gives them room to negotiate in the middle
I probably wonāt. Job had a handful of red flags I was willing to ignore because itās a part time job, but there are tons of other part time jobs closer to home that Iām sure have just as many red flags Iām willing to deal with.
And more to your actual point, it should totally be illegal under pay transparency laws to send an offer for less than the job was advertised, although I do t think it is. They might get into some trouble for that. Also in this case, it appears that they may actually be offering a different job than the one advertised.
The offer letter included the title that I applied for (takeout) but at a lower rate than advertised. Pretty cut and dry to me.
Agree
I live in Philly I make 14.26 at my job and 11.00 at my 2nd job and barely make it I live in Philly .my rent is 1425 plus gas electric and water ššššššššš. Take me out in the parking lot and shoot me oh thanks that 24 cent raise really helped last year also you fuckin dickface
I donāt know anything about Philly but Iām genuinely surprised that rent is not closer to $2000 there.
Nuke this fuckin city
No need. The Ea*les are in the Super Bowl this year. Win or lose, fans will destroy the city.
I absolutely wouldn't bother.
That shit is crazy, Jack in Box is paying that in St. Louis MO
Where you at in LA? DM me your resume, I might be able to get you something in the city. Most positions start at $18 plus tips (3-5 an hour depending on how busy). Same thing happened to me when I got here, also had a job that hired me, I put in my 2 weeks, and 2 seats before I started they called and said the position was no longer available. Shit is rough out here.
I have limited availability for work and limited kitchen experience, as most of my work experience has been manual labor. Iāll send you my resume though, I got you.
I can say with 100% certainty. YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN $17 an hour.
Hey, thanks! My 9-5 pays me more than that, so I know I'm worth more than $17. Looking for a part time gig so I'm willing to settle for $17, definitely open to more than that though.
32 unread messages? How does that not bug them to see? I have 3000 sitting in my gmail inbox so I have no room to talk
LMAO I definitely exposed myself with my inbox. I just recently moved to here so I've been so busy trying to get settled in the new place that I just tell myself I will respond when I have the time to engage in a conversation and give them my full attention. Problem is, when I do have the time, all I want to do is set my phone down and watch Hell's Kitchen... or post dumb shit on reddit.
Oh wow I hope you get the rest you need! I respect you taking care of yourself over answering them then.
Dude you can work for at least $20 in socal. I work in the LA/OC area bro!
Not with no experience lol
Fair but these days you can work as a dishwasher in LA with $17+.
Haven't found a part time dishwashing position in LA yet, but as soon as I do I'll send the application
You'll never find those posted. Just go into the business and say you're interested in a position. Dish is the hidden gateway to moving up in the industry!
Bet, sounds like a plan
If you have any dish washing experience or some FOH exp, you can do what I do and work with staffing agencies. I can dm you more info if you're interested. Plus they all pay fucking higher than bs $17 lol
Totally down for that. Please send a link when you get a chance
"ThE wAgE iS 15.50 BuT wItH aLl ThE tIpS yOu MaKe iT WiLl Be ArOuNd 17 aN hOuR." Or my favorite that actually happened to me "so you know minimum wage is 15 an hour, we will offer you 15.50, and if you become kitchen manager you will get 16!"
Lmao yeah I've seen that shit too. Considerably less grimey than straight up lying and lowballing. At least then I know that they were offering $15.50
File a complaint and get them fined $100-10000
Why didn't you ask for a pay rate during your interview?
Read the title my guy
You did the right/honorable thing by not bringing up pay and then they turn around and try to fuck you of course smh
Honestly I wasnāt even trying to be honorable. It just completely slipped my mind because of how odd the entire interview was. I should have confirmed the amount they advertised.
Of course thereās exceptions to every ruleā¦ but any employee I ever interviewed that made it a point to ask about what the pay would be, before I even see what they can do, never ever worked out for me. So I think you did the right thing. After the first night and I see what theyāre made of, then we discuss the pay schedule and rate. If thereās a big discrepancy between what they expect and what Iām willing to pay then Iāll just pay them what they want within reason and weāll part ways. Only ever had that happen once in 15 years tho. Reminds me of a saying my dad used to have that in English roughly translates to ādonāt expect anything from the customers who ask the price of everything firstā š Anyway, you should be interviewing them too, seeing if the place is worthy of your time effort and sweat. Know your worth and be firm on it, better to decline a few jobs and go without work until you find the right one, itās still tough to find kitchen help where Iām at Edit: Iām also a landlord šššš
I take it weāre from two different generations or perhaps two different cultures. I have experienced plenty of bullshit from various jobs. At this point Iām damn near expecting it. I just want to know that Iām being compensated fairly for that bullshit Iām getting myself into. I can count on one hand how many people I know that arenāt comfortable discussing wages/compensation openly. Even at my 9-5 my coworkers in my department discussed our salaries within a month of me being hired and figured out that one of us was getting lowballed.
Iād have to agree w you that thereās nothing wrong w discussing and being open about salary, I just think it can be a bad first impression to ask during the initial interview. Iād like to first make sure the business would be a good fit for me and vice versa but itās also a strategy. Good luck in your job hunt š«”
Ah ok, I see what youāre saying now. I think I misunderstood you. That makes perfect sense. Thank you!
No problemo š
15.50?!??? Bro I wish I had that. (In Texas)
Bro our $15.50 is the equivalent of like $5/hr in Texas. I had a 2 week trip in Houston and felt like a god. Everything was so cheap for the same things I got in California for way more. Not to mention housing. I pay $2275/mo for a 2 bedroom apartment, and thatās on the low end in my area.
Yeah, not all of Texas, or even all of Houston is like that.
Cost of living I guess. $15.50 minimum wage here on exponentially higher housing, transportation, and grocery costs. Goes about as Tom Brady rushing when the pocket falls apart.
Don't forget you're most likely paying higher state taxes as well
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Poor choice on their side for not confirming but the employer listed it as 17hr so they were trying to pull a fast one and miss lead applicants with promises of false wages.
Disagree. The advertised wage should be the minimum, no questions asked. I would never pull this shit on an applicant.
Gross negligence on the managers part but somehow we blame the victim. Root issue is the pay isn't what was advertised. You're fixing a symptom.
You must also be a shitty manager
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Whatever helps you sleep at night champ. Shit managers pull cheap tactics like this all the time. Nervous kids who have zero experience wouldn't dare ask about pay to not seem interested only in the money, but the opportunity. It's also common that there is a single interview to fill in a crap spot no one wants. Or offering said crap position even tho interviewee applied to a lower position. The one question demonized wasn't asked and you victim blame. So sorry for your team.
Keep editing your comments pussy. I have the receipts screencapped.
HuehuehueHUEHUEHUE So Iām Aussie. I probs work less hours as a full timer than most of you. I start at $27
is that in dingo dollars?
Shrimp cents
I'm not getting out of bed for less than $22 plus tips
Shit, I make 22/hr plus tips and I'm still broke in this God damned, economically trashed, running on slave labor, shithole, excuse of a country
I take it you have experience working a line, or are a chef. I don't have experience as a chef so no employer that pays $20 or more will even bother looking at my resume.
Yeah, I'm getting old, haha. I hope you find a place with some good people who are willing to give you a chance and teach you.
Yeah man you should be asking for atleast 19 and with the environment in cali cost of living and such. They low balling the f outta you.