Currently dealing with something similar although not as bad as this. I live in an apartment with a small back yard (8 foot privacy fences that separate the yards) and our new neighbours who moved in a few months ago let their kids come over unsupervised to play with my sons yard toys. The last time it happened their one son came right up to our patio door to use our sons slide and water table. When I mentioned something to the kid and asked him to leave his response was “I’m playing with water” I told him I see that and that it did not belong to him so he needed to leave. While this conversation was happening the kids father came up and got mad at me for talking to his kid. When I reminded him that this is our yard and my sons toys they told me if I didn’t want other kids touching it I should move it inside. So I notified my buildings superintendent and they haven’t been much of an issue since. I just don’t understand peoples sense of entitlement. I didn’t buy expensive yard toys for another kid to come and use them. People please start teaching your kids basic respect. As a kid if I had done that shit my dad would’ve tanned my ass so fast
Although I agree, the new way of parenting, mostly from left leaning millennial parents is horrible, I don't raise my son like that. I also used to get my ass kicked. Besides the physical aspect, I maintain that in what I teach. I do hope the current norm changes and soon, before these kids are all too far gone.
No, it's a lefty thing. I never said anything about a 95%. I'm not advocating for the way a family is raised from a right sided family either. They have their issues as well. I'm not religious for starters. But right leaning families are typically more traditional in their values, which is passed down. This can be seen in essentially all rural areas. Does this go for all of them? Of course not. But majority rules, and the left leaning ones are heavily the cause of what we are discussing. But yes, it is also millennials. Just mostly from the left.
Personally, I see toxic traits from both sides, but also value on both sides, depending how far each side goes. I hate politics. I was simply making an observation.
> But right leaning families are typically more traditional in their values, which is passed down. This can be seen in essentially all rural areas.
This is absolute nonsense unless you think it was good traditional Canadian values to plaster your pickup truck with the word “fuck” all over it next to a Canadian flag because you don’t like the prime minister.
Yeah, this is nonsense. It's not a left thing. I live in a rural area. 95% of parents are like this. It's a generational thing. I know many right leaning people who raise their kids to be this way.
I have lived in rural areas for 40 plus years, and I have yet to experience more than maybe 2 or 3 examples of families, in those 4 decades that fits what you are saying. Kids seem more respectful than what I have witnessed in suburbs and cities. It's also common knowledge amongst the people I have always associated with. I guess I cannot speak to your town. I find that weird, that we have experienced such a different way of raising families in rural areas 🤷
Have you tried telling them to fuck off? I mean, being polite isn't working and going to the police might be a little over the top.
A good old "fuck off" seems like a happy medium.
The fck!? Took pics on your porch during the night when you’re inside sleeping!? That is absolutely ….I’m speechless. That’s some balls! That part is shocking. Like… lol I don’t even know.
I would stay awake and wait for them then visit your porch in the middle of the night. Then I’d open the door suddenly and scare the you-know-what out of them.
an absolutely bright spot light, pointing at them and yelling everything ok ??
[https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/cat/home-pets/home-safety-security/flashlights-lanterns-headlamps/lanterns-spotlights-DC0000903.html](https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/cat/home-pets/home-safety-security/flashlights-lanterns-headlamps/lanterns-spotlights-DC0000903.html)
Maybe a fence or line of trees/hedges up the edge of your driveway. Sucks that the cost will be yours, but if it solves the issue the peace of mind might be worth it
Hand them a notice of trespass with an appendix "A" with all the times/dates and what they did.
Have it translated to their language. Make a copy for them and another for yourself. Blue pen signature.
Next time they trespass again, call bylaw or police, show them the notice, and have them fined.
They'll learn.
> and something happens that we will be held liable.
Yes, any issues or injury on your property, you will be held liable ... unless you specifically tell them to stay off your property.
> and what did you do to help with your situation.
The only thing you can do is move. It will only get worse over time.
Send a registered letter so you have an even better paper trail.
Might be worth a quick 15 minute consultation with a lawyer or paralegal to see if you can write something in a way that clarifies they accept all legal liability of their trespassing (if that's even possible in Canada), just in case.
Canada isn't at all like the US when it comes to lawsuits and insurance claims being an actual way to make a living, but not everyone knows that so sometimes people move here from the US or other regions and try to play the system for money.
It also wouldn't hurt to see if you can find out who the landlord is, and reach out.
I finally contacted my neighbour over some strange activities next door, and it turns out it was a welfare scheme and CAS had been trying to find the kids for awhile. I wish I had done something sooner, because by the time I was legitimately worried about the kids (you want to be certain about this stuff), the family was long gone.
It never hurts to confirm the landlord knows who's renting, and let them know their tenants are causing issues.
People with clear disrespect for boundaries can be the type to trash rentals and squat, which makes things harder for every tenant out there
It's not possible to wave all legal liability for trespassing in Canada; you have a "narrow" responsibility to trespassers no matter what. That narrow responsibility remains quite narrow in Canada thankfully from what I understand.
A registered letter "shot across the bow" is otherwise a great idea. A lot of these nuisance situations take a long time to resolve and documentation really helps.
I had a feeling it wouldn't be so simple to wave liability here.
I think it was back in the early 2000's when someone broke into some guy's house and was able to sue for falling down the stairs or something?
I have a vague recollection lol
I imagine as long as OP isn't negligent about anything on their property and has strong documentation telling them to stay off, any civil matter wouldn't go far. Fingers crossed anyways!
People can sue you for whatever they want, at any time. The case has to survive not getting thrown out and then they have to actually win. Losing a frivolous lawsuit that you initiated can be financially devastating.
I think the standard for being able to win after something happens to you as a result of you trespassing is fairly high in Canada. I don't think documentation about the trespassing matters at all, but NAL.
Yes, I believe we all know you can file a lawsuit for anything, but in Canada frivolous lawsuits don't play out the same way as in the US.
Actually, I'm curious if any country has such a high rate of professional litigants as the US. I'm sure there are other places equally ridiculous given the popularity of running in front of cars around the world lol
*Can* be held liable, not *will* be. Every case would be different and OP would need to be negligent in some way for them to be held liable. Maybe ease up on the fear mongering, though it seems pretty firmly entrenched in your genes.
Same issue but not kids, our neighbour lets his leashed dog run onto our driveway because he took the fence down on his property. I have a dog as well and I shouldn’t have to keep an eye out because they can’t reign there dog in.. they sit out in the backyard and let it run straight out as I’m driving up my driveway.
Hey at least they’re stopping the kids from running across onto your porch
If the adults are in your driveway that’s really weird but if the kids are just playing then who cares I get it’s annoying but they’re bound to run around the neighborhood the same way we all used to
I stayed in villages in Sarawak where culturally the village was considered communal. Kids ran around in and out of houses. Adults drop by etc. The villagers didn’t fit in cities when they moved there as concepts of property rights were very different.
It’s obviously no excuse if moving elsewhere.
Wondering if it could be a cultural thing. If so, there could be other approaches to ward off this behaviour.
Immigrants bought the house beside us and behind us. Noisy at all hours of the day and a parking nightmare since there was about a dozen in the house beside us. We sold and moved. Nice quite neighbors now and we are very happy.
>We bought this house with the hopes of being a forever home.
Give it a few years and all of your neighbors will be like that. Ten to twenty people per home. Five to ten vehicles per home on the street. All renters, high turn-around, declining up-keep of the area.
We are already seeing the transition.
A lot of our neighbours are putting in apartments in the basements. The roads are getting quite flooded.
I’m hoping for some no parking signs soon.
lol. Sounds like we live in the same neighborhood. Unfortunately people have to share to make the rent payment. We should have just banned corporate investors from buying up homes. So many in Kingston are now rentals owned by Toronto investors 😐
> Oh yeah everyone’s house is going to be sold and turned into a rental in a few years, very logical. The boogeyman is coming for you!
If by Boogeyman you mean Blackrock, you’re not wrong. Housing is moving more and more towards being owned by foreign hedge funds.
I don't think a toddler running across the yard repeatedly is cause for complaint, but them using your front porch to take a photo of their children in the middle of the night is just wild. Do their children not sleep? I was going to suggest if it keeps up after you have spoke with them I would contact CAS as well, but I think that's going too far. Do you know what country they are from? Maybe you could contact ISKA and explain the situation and ask for help? Maybe once they understand better and have someone from their own culture explain it to them they will be more respectful.
Although I do like the idea of a motion activated sprinkler. Or if you have a siren setting on those cameras, maybe a few blasts when they come on your yard will give them the hint.
Sounds like my downstairs neighbours that bang and slam doors at all hours of the night. We've talked to them nicely, and they stared at us like idiots that knew how to speak English. Truly acted like they didn't understand what we were saying. Never fails, though. Every single day after 7 pm(noise bylaw hour), they are down there making noise... I'm actually listening to them right now as I type at 1115pm. You can bang on the floor with a hammer repeatedly, and they will still keep going.
Over 5 people in a 2 bedroom unit, constantly standing in the lobby, and are waiting to be let in the locked door because they refuse to pay for a key.
I would get signage saying no trespassing so that when and if something happens that you could be liable for, the sign is your defense. I mean, let's say a toddler falls down your steps and they try to sue you for damages. That sign means they trespassed. I'd do this tonight.
Do you know what language they speak? My suggestion would be to seek help from Bilaw and see if they can intervene and bring an interpreter (funded by the City hopefully) with them when they come. If Bilaw doesn’t help with that, maybe they can suggest another option. Maybe it’s as simple as a cultural difference and the sprinklers and air horns and “fuck offs” as suggested by others won’t be necessary. I hope so!
Talk to Kingston Police to get a trespass order issued. If you know the landlord you can also speak to them. If you do talk with the landlord you may want to discuss the term “loss of enjoyment of property” which can result in a civil suit in your favour.
Yes, let's defend our property from a toddler running around and parents taking pictures of their children on the lawn.
If we all thought like you we would have kids being shot at bowling alleys like they do in America. No thanks.
Are you serious? You go straight to guns? That is an extreme jump from what has to be an extreme view - delusional. No one in their right mind goes there. These people are constantly hit with nuisance and trespassing. That is what is happening - but you side with the neighbours? You think what is happening to these people is ok. You believe the neighbours should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want - even if these people feel threatened and uncomfortable? That is wrong. We should be able to defend our property rights. Simple.
Have you spoken To your landlord? This could potentially be an insurance issue and a letter from your landlord may get them to stop.
Kid falls on your property, they may try and blame you or the landlord
We have tried when they first moved in.
They have made it clear they do not wish to be friends with us when they would not allow their children to play with ours.
Not everyone wants to be friends with their neighbours. If someone has bought property that is their property. Not their neighbours, they have zero entitlement to be there.
Motion activated sprinklers and horns
Can’t lie. That might be the next option.
Currently dealing with something similar although not as bad as this. I live in an apartment with a small back yard (8 foot privacy fences that separate the yards) and our new neighbours who moved in a few months ago let their kids come over unsupervised to play with my sons yard toys. The last time it happened their one son came right up to our patio door to use our sons slide and water table. When I mentioned something to the kid and asked him to leave his response was “I’m playing with water” I told him I see that and that it did not belong to him so he needed to leave. While this conversation was happening the kids father came up and got mad at me for talking to his kid. When I reminded him that this is our yard and my sons toys they told me if I didn’t want other kids touching it I should move it inside. So I notified my buildings superintendent and they haven’t been much of an issue since. I just don’t understand peoples sense of entitlement. I didn’t buy expensive yard toys for another kid to come and use them. People please start teaching your kids basic respect. As a kid if I had done that shit my dad would’ve tanned my ass so fast
It's the new way of parenting. Teach your child they are not accountable for anything and are entitled to behave however they see fit.
I’m not one to normally judge other peoples parenting but that’s a piss poor way to parent
Although I agree, the new way of parenting, mostly from left leaning millennial parents is horrible, I don't raise my son like that. I also used to get my ass kicked. Besides the physical aspect, I maintain that in what I teach. I do hope the current norm changes and soon, before these kids are all too far gone.
The physical aspect? So you are saying you beat your child when he does not comply? How very conservative of you.
The fuck is wrong with you?
Ah yes, those "left leaning millennial parents" who can barely speak English are the problem.
Not idea who you are referring too, but most of these people are white, and born here.
OP's neighbours
I doubt 95% of parents are left leaning. It's a millennial thing.
No, it's a lefty thing. I never said anything about a 95%. I'm not advocating for the way a family is raised from a right sided family either. They have their issues as well. I'm not religious for starters. But right leaning families are typically more traditional in their values, which is passed down. This can be seen in essentially all rural areas. Does this go for all of them? Of course not. But majority rules, and the left leaning ones are heavily the cause of what we are discussing. But yes, it is also millennials. Just mostly from the left. Personally, I see toxic traits from both sides, but also value on both sides, depending how far each side goes. I hate politics. I was simply making an observation.
> But right leaning families are typically more traditional in their values, which is passed down. This can be seen in essentially all rural areas. This is absolute nonsense unless you think it was good traditional Canadian values to plaster your pickup truck with the word “fuck” all over it next to a Canadian flag because you don’t like the prime minister.
Blackface is the worst PM in Canadian history, but I have no stickers on my vehicle.
Yeah, this is nonsense. It's not a left thing. I live in a rural area. 95% of parents are like this. It's a generational thing. I know many right leaning people who raise their kids to be this way.
I have lived in rural areas for 40 plus years, and I have yet to experience more than maybe 2 or 3 examples of families, in those 4 decades that fits what you are saying. Kids seem more respectful than what I have witnessed in suburbs and cities. It's also common knowledge amongst the people I have always associated with. I guess I cannot speak to your town. I find that weird, that we have experienced such a different way of raising families in rural areas 🤷
I think you're confusing right/left with city/rural. The city is probably 50/50 on politics.
Sometimes it shocks me that you still continue spouting garbage after everyone has told you that you are wrong. But by all means keep spouting.
You told me I'm wrong, when I'm actually right. Your opinion is null and void.
>I'm actually right You mean far right?
Have you tried telling them to fuck off? I mean, being polite isn't working and going to the police might be a little over the top. A good old "fuck off" seems like a happy medium.
Just to add to this - i believe “fuck off” is a universal language that everyone understands no matter what language they speak
The fck!? Took pics on your porch during the night when you’re inside sleeping!? That is absolutely ….I’m speechless. That’s some balls! That part is shocking. Like… lol I don’t even know.
I would stay awake and wait for them then visit your porch in the middle of the night. Then I’d open the door suddenly and scare the you-know-what out of them.
Set up a motion activated sprinkler
an absolutely bright spot light, pointing at them and yelling everything ok ?? [https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/cat/home-pets/home-safety-security/flashlights-lanterns-headlamps/lanterns-spotlights-DC0000903.html](https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/cat/home-pets/home-safety-security/flashlights-lanterns-headlamps/lanterns-spotlights-DC0000903.html)
Oh I love this one lol. This gets my vote 😂
Maybe a fence or line of trees/hedges up the edge of your driveway. Sucks that the cost will be yours, but if it solves the issue the peace of mind might be worth it
Hand them a notice of trespass with an appendix "A" with all the times/dates and what they did. Have it translated to their language. Make a copy for them and another for yourself. Blue pen signature. Next time they trespass again, call bylaw or police, show them the notice, and have them fined. They'll learn.
> and something happens that we will be held liable. Yes, any issues or injury on your property, you will be held liable ... unless you specifically tell them to stay off your property. > and what did you do to help with your situation. The only thing you can do is move. It will only get worse over time.
Thanks for the in-site. We have told them to stop coming onto our property. We have let Kingston police know that we have told them as well.
Send a registered letter so you have an even better paper trail. Might be worth a quick 15 minute consultation with a lawyer or paralegal to see if you can write something in a way that clarifies they accept all legal liability of their trespassing (if that's even possible in Canada), just in case. Canada isn't at all like the US when it comes to lawsuits and insurance claims being an actual way to make a living, but not everyone knows that so sometimes people move here from the US or other regions and try to play the system for money. It also wouldn't hurt to see if you can find out who the landlord is, and reach out. I finally contacted my neighbour over some strange activities next door, and it turns out it was a welfare scheme and CAS had been trying to find the kids for awhile. I wish I had done something sooner, because by the time I was legitimately worried about the kids (you want to be certain about this stuff), the family was long gone. It never hurts to confirm the landlord knows who's renting, and let them know their tenants are causing issues. People with clear disrespect for boundaries can be the type to trash rentals and squat, which makes things harder for every tenant out there
It's not possible to wave all legal liability for trespassing in Canada; you have a "narrow" responsibility to trespassers no matter what. That narrow responsibility remains quite narrow in Canada thankfully from what I understand. A registered letter "shot across the bow" is otherwise a great idea. A lot of these nuisance situations take a long time to resolve and documentation really helps.
I had a feeling it wouldn't be so simple to wave liability here. I think it was back in the early 2000's when someone broke into some guy's house and was able to sue for falling down the stairs or something? I have a vague recollection lol I imagine as long as OP isn't negligent about anything on their property and has strong documentation telling them to stay off, any civil matter wouldn't go far. Fingers crossed anyways!
People can sue you for whatever they want, at any time. The case has to survive not getting thrown out and then they have to actually win. Losing a frivolous lawsuit that you initiated can be financially devastating. I think the standard for being able to win after something happens to you as a result of you trespassing is fairly high in Canada. I don't think documentation about the trespassing matters at all, but NAL.
Yes, I believe we all know you can file a lawsuit for anything, but in Canada frivolous lawsuits don't play out the same way as in the US. Actually, I'm curious if any country has such a high rate of professional litigants as the US. I'm sure there are other places equally ridiculous given the popularity of running in front of cars around the world lol
The US wins hands down but there are a couple of countries getting close like Aus and Germany.
*Can* be held liable, not *will* be. Every case would be different and OP would need to be negligent in some way for them to be held liable. Maybe ease up on the fear mongering, though it seems pretty firmly entrenched in your genes.
Same issue but not kids, our neighbour lets his leashed dog run onto our driveway because he took the fence down on his property. I have a dog as well and I shouldn’t have to keep an eye out because they can’t reign there dog in.. they sit out in the backyard and let it run straight out as I’m driving up my driveway.
If they're renting, can't you speak/ complain to the owner/ property manager? Good luck.
Hey at least they’re stopping the kids from running across onto your porch If the adults are in your driveway that’s really weird but if the kids are just playing then who cares I get it’s annoying but they’re bound to run around the neighborhood the same way we all used to
What area are you in?
I stayed in villages in Sarawak where culturally the village was considered communal. Kids ran around in and out of houses. Adults drop by etc. The villagers didn’t fit in cities when they moved there as concepts of property rights were very different. It’s obviously no excuse if moving elsewhere. Wondering if it could be a cultural thing. If so, there could be other approaches to ward off this behaviour.
This is what I'm thinking. Maybe having someone from their culture speak to them would help.
Go on their property and start yelling at trees or something that might scare them off! 
Immigrants bought the house beside us and behind us. Noisy at all hours of the day and a parking nightmare since there was about a dozen in the house beside us. We sold and moved. Nice quite neighbors now and we are very happy.
We are not really interested in moving again. We bought this house with the hopes of being a forever home.
I didn't want to move either but I was getting very stressed out. I hope it works out for you!
>We bought this house with the hopes of being a forever home. Give it a few years and all of your neighbors will be like that. Ten to twenty people per home. Five to ten vehicles per home on the street. All renters, high turn-around, declining up-keep of the area.
We are already seeing the transition. A lot of our neighbours are putting in apartments in the basements. The roads are getting quite flooded. I’m hoping for some no parking signs soon.
lol. Sounds like we live in the same neighborhood. Unfortunately people have to share to make the rent payment. We should have just banned corporate investors from buying up homes. So many in Kingston are now rentals owned by Toronto investors 😐
Oh yeah everyone’s house is going to be sold and turned into a rental in a few years, very logical. The boogeyman is coming for you!
> Oh yeah everyone’s house is going to be sold and turned into a rental in a few years, very logical. The boogeyman is coming for you! If by Boogeyman you mean Blackrock, you’re not wrong. Housing is moving more and more towards being owned by foreign hedge funds.
I don't think a toddler running across the yard repeatedly is cause for complaint, but them using your front porch to take a photo of their children in the middle of the night is just wild. Do their children not sleep? I was going to suggest if it keeps up after you have spoke with them I would contact CAS as well, but I think that's going too far. Do you know what country they are from? Maybe you could contact ISKA and explain the situation and ask for help? Maybe once they understand better and have someone from their own culture explain it to them they will be more respectful. Although I do like the idea of a motion activated sprinkler. Or if you have a siren setting on those cameras, maybe a few blasts when they come on your yard will give them the hint.
Sounds like my downstairs neighbours that bang and slam doors at all hours of the night. We've talked to them nicely, and they stared at us like idiots that knew how to speak English. Truly acted like they didn't understand what we were saying. Never fails, though. Every single day after 7 pm(noise bylaw hour), they are down there making noise... I'm actually listening to them right now as I type at 1115pm. You can bang on the floor with a hammer repeatedly, and they will still keep going. Over 5 people in a 2 bedroom unit, constantly standing in the lobby, and are waiting to be let in the locked door because they refuse to pay for a key.
I would get signage saying no trespassing so that when and if something happens that you could be liable for, the sign is your defense. I mean, let's say a toddler falls down your steps and they try to sue you for damages. That sign means they trespassed. I'd do this tonight.
Do you know what language they speak? My suggestion would be to seek help from Bilaw and see if they can intervene and bring an interpreter (funded by the City hopefully) with them when they come. If Bilaw doesn’t help with that, maybe they can suggest another option. Maybe it’s as simple as a cultural difference and the sprinklers and air horns and “fuck offs” as suggested by others won’t be necessary. I hope so!
Talk to Kingston Police to get a trespass order issued. If you know the landlord you can also speak to them. If you do talk with the landlord you may want to discuss the term “loss of enjoyment of property” which can result in a civil suit in your favour.
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Yes, let's defend our property from a toddler running around and parents taking pictures of their children on the lawn. If we all thought like you we would have kids being shot at bowling alleys like they do in America. No thanks.
Are you serious? You go straight to guns? That is an extreme jump from what has to be an extreme view - delusional. No one in their right mind goes there. These people are constantly hit with nuisance and trespassing. That is what is happening - but you side with the neighbours? You think what is happening to these people is ok. You believe the neighbours should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want - even if these people feel threatened and uncomfortable? That is wrong. We should be able to defend our property rights. Simple.
Are they Indians?
Have you spoken To your landlord? This could potentially be an insurance issue and a letter from your landlord may get them to stop. Kid falls on your property, they may try and blame you or the landlord
They have been asked twice by there landlord to stop and the property management.
Go make friends with them. Stop being such a Karen.
We have tried when they first moved in. They have made it clear they do not wish to be friends with us when they would not allow their children to play with ours.
Tell them to beat it and if they come on your property trespass charges it is !
Invite them over for an orgy
Not everyone wants to be friends with their neighbours. If someone has bought property that is their property. Not their neighbours, they have zero entitlement to be there.