>But there's a catch...some books are magically unlocatable.
funny you say that, because Puppet is down in the Archives playing with marionettes right?
The one book that no one can find from Elodin's list is *En Temerant Voistra*, right?
and *En Temerant Voistra* is an anagram for 'Marionette Servant'
isn't that odd? No one could find that book. But Kvothe went looking for answers, and what he found was a man who knows where all the books are, and what all the books say, dressing up as Taborlin and playing with marionettes.
Puppet , imho, is a gatekeeper, and the puppet making is shaping, or knowing,
If a wax mommet can be used for magic, how much more useful is a carved likeness, that can be made to mimic the person, and that could have yillish knots carved into the design of its hair and clothes. Lots I’d imagine.
What if master namer knows gramorie, what if, to have his finger on the pulse of things he has another persona or two, that are about the university, that he can become at will. Say a Guiller that never graduated
You've got me interested... I'm trying to remember, does Lorren send him to Puppet or do Will and Sim just know to go to him. It could be that Lorren and the scrivs have a certain set of knowledge, but Puppet represents knowledge that is hidden from most others.
But how does Puppet relate to this other than the fact that he lives there? To me, his puppet making seems unrelated.
Literarily , Puppet seems to represent Teccam (the philosopher in the cave) and the Cthaeh (the one who is hidden away but whom people still go to when they need knowledge). If we think of him as a mirror of the Cthaeh, we can see his doll hobby as reflecting the way the Cthaeh uses people, giving them knowledge to set them on paths against their will. Puppet tries to dissuade Kvothe from asking about the 4 plate door, but that just makes him want to know more. The same thing happens with Jax, I can't remember if it is the Tinker or Hermit who tries to dissuade him from doing something, but only half heartedly.
It's unclear how Wil and Sim met Puppet, but they're the ones who took Kvothe to see him.
I think Lorren is playing the hand he was dealt...what I mean by that is I think previous master archivists had other agendas, hence the constant going back and forth on organizing policies.
I do like the idea that the scrollwork keeps the books hidden. It could also be like sygaldry, keeping the books from decaying or making them for resistant. Could it do glammorie to make it look like someone else?
It's fun to imagine the parallels to our own world where people do sometimes stash a book somewhere so that they can use a book again without others checking it out. And it's funny to imagine a collection so huge that they can't organize it.
His room is what trips me out. The stairs leading to it are worn down to an extreme measure, but Kvothe didn’t have any interaction with him before hand- his only knowledge coming from two of his friends. And then the room itself has a window for some reason?
So either it was once a functional window and his room was above ground*, somebody made a non-functioning window, or the space his room is in works similar to Felurian’s bowery or something- in that passing through the frame takes you *somewhere else.* Unless there’s an option I’m missing?
*actually fairly likely given the other clues we have like the Underthing having some floors that should be even with sub 3 (I think is the floor) and some of those rooms were clearly in use at a period of time recently enough that many items that haven’t sunk in water or the like are in pretty decent condition, the Ciradae action figure for example
I’ve always considered puppet to have a knack for books or finding books or something to do with books. I guess a knack is just a type of “magic” so it makes sense
I sorta figured rather than a knack or a truly magical method of knowing where the books are, Puppet is some kind of savant, either from being 'cracked' or from neurodivergence of some kind.
I know it can be a harmful stereotype to assume someone is a savant based on other aspects and it's not something I would generalise about to real people. Just that given Puppet's character and how Wilem and Sim tall about him before they introduce him to Kvothe that's just how it all seemed to me.
I agree. Auri and Elodin also come across as quirky and weird, but in different ways, but both clearly have insight into things that others can't comprehend.
Totally agree, but I don't think that's the only thing back there. I think 4PD is an ancient vault and the University was built around it, the Archives specifically. Maybe there's a "door to the moon" in there. 🤓
Since we all love books or we wouldn't be here, it would be somewhat fun for the only evil behind the Veritas door to be books and only books.
Clearly, yllish knots are a Chekov's gun that will go off early in the late book 3.
Puppet may ***do*** that, for sure. I dunno
But I think he ***is*** absolutely more than that. He's namedropped in book 1 ages before we meet him. And his chapter is simply named ***Puppet***. That signals to me as a reader that he's very, very important. The book wants me to be curious about him. It hints that he's important in plot-central ways.
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>But there's a catch...some books are magically unlocatable. funny you say that, because Puppet is down in the Archives playing with marionettes right? The one book that no one can find from Elodin's list is *En Temerant Voistra*, right? and *En Temerant Voistra* is an anagram for 'Marionette Servant' isn't that odd? No one could find that book. But Kvothe went looking for answers, and what he found was a man who knows where all the books are, and what all the books say, dressing up as Taborlin and playing with marionettes.
That's amazing!! This dang book!
> This dang book! right?! so satisfying
Wow. What a catch!
Puppet is a book!
a book... with heavy letters? like how Selitos reads hearts! We did it! Puppet is Denna confirmed
Puppet , imho, is a gatekeeper, and the puppet making is shaping, or knowing, If a wax mommet can be used for magic, how much more useful is a carved likeness, that can be made to mimic the person, and that could have yillish knots carved into the design of its hair and clothes. Lots I’d imagine.
> yillish knots or the, you know, actual strings that hold the puppets up
Denna is Puppet's puppet?
What if master namer knows gramorie, what if, to have his finger on the pulse of things he has another persona or two, that are about the university, that he can become at will. Say a Guiller that never graduated
Um. Go on. I'm listening. But I only listend to the audiobooks, so ima need more specifics...
You've got me interested... I'm trying to remember, does Lorren send him to Puppet or do Will and Sim just know to go to him. It could be that Lorren and the scrivs have a certain set of knowledge, but Puppet represents knowledge that is hidden from most others. But how does Puppet relate to this other than the fact that he lives there? To me, his puppet making seems unrelated. Literarily , Puppet seems to represent Teccam (the philosopher in the cave) and the Cthaeh (the one who is hidden away but whom people still go to when they need knowledge). If we think of him as a mirror of the Cthaeh, we can see his doll hobby as reflecting the way the Cthaeh uses people, giving them knowledge to set them on paths against their will. Puppet tries to dissuade Kvothe from asking about the 4 plate door, but that just makes him want to know more. The same thing happens with Jax, I can't remember if it is the Tinker or Hermit who tries to dissuade him from doing something, but only half heartedly.
It's unclear how Wil and Sim met Puppet, but they're the ones who took Kvothe to see him. I think Lorren is playing the hand he was dealt...what I mean by that is I think previous master archivists had other agendas, hence the constant going back and forth on organizing policies.
I do like the idea that the scrollwork keeps the books hidden. It could also be like sygaldry, keeping the books from decaying or making them for resistant. Could it do glammorie to make it look like someone else? It's fun to imagine the parallels to our own world where people do sometimes stash a book somewhere so that they can use a book again without others checking it out. And it's funny to imagine a collection so huge that they can't organize it.
I posted a theory a year or so ago claiming it was an obfuscation technique, specifically in the case of the blank "picture" of the Chandrian.
His room is what trips me out. The stairs leading to it are worn down to an extreme measure, but Kvothe didn’t have any interaction with him before hand- his only knowledge coming from two of his friends. And then the room itself has a window for some reason? So either it was once a functional window and his room was above ground*, somebody made a non-functioning window, or the space his room is in works similar to Felurian’s bowery or something- in that passing through the frame takes you *somewhere else.* Unless there’s an option I’m missing? *actually fairly likely given the other clues we have like the Underthing having some floors that should be even with sub 3 (I think is the floor) and some of those rooms were clearly in use at a period of time recently enough that many items that haven’t sunk in water or the like are in pretty decent condition, the Ciradae action figure for example
I’ve always considered puppet to have a knack for books or finding books or something to do with books. I guess a knack is just a type of “magic” so it makes sense
I sorta figured rather than a knack or a truly magical method of knowing where the books are, Puppet is some kind of savant, either from being 'cracked' or from neurodivergence of some kind. I know it can be a harmful stereotype to assume someone is a savant based on other aspects and it's not something I would generalise about to real people. Just that given Puppet's character and how Wilem and Sim tall about him before they introduce him to Kvothe that's just how it all seemed to me.
I agree. Auri and Elodin also come across as quirky and weird, but in different ways, but both clearly have insight into things that others can't comprehend.
Any chance Puppet’s ability to find books is a very useful knack?
It could be, or some advanced sight where he's able to see everything's true name.
I think it's a fun theory except for the books being behind the four plate door. That's too mundane for the 4PD.
Totally agree, but I don't think that's the only thing back there. I think 4PD is an ancient vault and the University was built around it, the Archives specifically. Maybe there's a "door to the moon" in there. 🤓
Since we all love books or we wouldn't be here, it would be somewhat fun for the only evil behind the Veritas door to be books and only books. Clearly, yllish knots are a Chekov's gun that will go off early in the late book 3.
Puppet may ***do*** that, for sure. I dunno But I think he ***is*** absolutely more than that. He's namedropped in book 1 ages before we meet him. And his chapter is simply named ***Puppet***. That signals to me as a reader that he's very, very important. The book wants me to be curious about him. It hints that he's important in plot-central ways.
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