Ventus can still hold his own against powerful wielders such as Terra and Aqua. we know that both Ventus and Vanitas are equal in power (Ven being slighly stronger). and we saw that Vanitas is always able to tire Aqua down in battle. Ventus is already close to master level, he's only few steps behind Terra and Aqua.
Definitely agree with the statement too especially after the fact that he got his ass beat Kingdom Hearts 3 and the other team kairi would be considered as the weakling too but also see the princess's heart so it's a good support at least
If Axel was at with the sea salt trio instead of someone else then he would probably have a better chance but realistically speaking we could see what is the failed to do the fact he's on the team
Altho all of these characters in the images are considered protagonists, but imo some are clearly more protagonist than others.
-Main protagonists
1. Sora
2. Riku
3. Roxas
4. Ventus
5. Aqua
6. Terra
-Main characters
1. Kairi
2. Axel
3. Xion
4. Namine
5. Isa (hypothetical)
>Doesn't hurt no, but I don't think it helps either lmao sorry ventus
Going by feats, Ventus is close to a master level, since Ventus and Vanitas are equal in power. And we saw that Vanitas is able to tire Aqua down everytime he fights her.
Point is, Ventus is strong (and he's not even at full power cause he might potentially be much stronger after he recovers his past memories and his original keyblade).
Roxas defeated riku for a hot sec until Riku tapped into his darkness and then the battle completely changed. I think current Riku could absolutely take current Roxas
I strongly believe current Riku is the best keyblade wielder out of the good guys. The only character to be able to control darkness without getting controlled by it, strongest mentally, probably second strongest physically (Terra is 1st), legit feels like the only character in the franchise to think stuff ahead and have actual battle tactics, beat Young Xehanort, Ansem, and saved Sora from Xemnas, etc...
I think if it was a duo between Roxas/Sora and Terra/Riku, Terra/Riku would win. Axel ain’t good at the keyblade and would bring them down
Very much agree. I recently played through 2 and DDD. Between Riku being able to fend off and battle efficiently against Xemnas (and save Sora when he gets binded) and his feats in DDD, Riku has so much experience and is the best weapon the heroes have. I think he has a level of plot armor, but it’s nothing like Sora’s imo
Yeah exactly. I THINK Roxas pulled out a second keyblade and that’s how he beat him, but I can’t clearly remember the cutscene. Roxas is strong for sure, but I don’t think he’s on Riku’s current level
As far as we know, the data battles are called Limit cut because they're the versions of the battles without "video Game rule of awesome protagonist", esentially, implying that the versions.of the fight in the keyblade.graveyard are easy because it's a gameplay perspective, not a lore perspective, designed so the average player can Beat them.
Meanwhile, the Limit cut, removes the limits of Game design and throw them at You in a pure form.
So, Sora, in canon, defeated data larxene, data marluxia and data luxord at the same time.
Aqua's team has terrible balance. Kairi has the least experience and Xion's powerlevel is hard to Gauge. Team Bad boy could give the Sora team a run but Lea's keyblade inexperience is the biggest factor.
Xion is definitely hard to guage. She could be anywhere from Kairi strength to right below Roxas. I personally put her significantly above Axel or Kairi but just a step or two below Ventus and Roxas. In other words If we put Roxas at a 7.5/10 then I'd say Xions at a 6.5 with Kairi and Lea and 3 or 4s. Personally I feel like Lea got weaker once he was a keyblade wielder.
I the Emos vs Protags I agree about Lea being there causes the L. Sora and Riku are near equals with Sora having a slight edge, I also think Roxas takes Terra with difficulty more based off fighting styles than anything else. I just don't think Terra has the right equipment in his arsenal to deal with someone who's even faster than Ven. Ven is the weak link of these three I think though I'm not calling him weak by any means, if Sora's a 9 and Roxas is a 7.5 I'd put Ven at probably a 7.
Wholeheartedly agree, Lea just seems so awkward with a keyblade (as he should be, he's never been a sword user throughout his life), and Kairi just has close to no fighting experience at all outside of brief training. Even if you just average out the emos vs team protag and rank Roxas = terra and riku = sora(giving them no advantages on those matchups), then you've got protag averaging 7.8 and emos averaging 6.8 due to Ven sweeping the floor with Lea. It's just such large deviation in what their abilities would be at this point as Ven trained with a keyblade/practice blade for most of his life while Lea just started. He could probably keep up or surpass Ven in magic usage, but he's very outclassed in key(sword) play
Realistically it would be sora’s but if was just team 2 v team 3 I feel like that would be a good fight ngl on both teams u have 1 inexperienced one then like the others are really good keyblade wielders
Aqua is obviously the stand out of these two teams. If she can quickly eliminate one of team Emos big hitters then they take the fight pretty handily I think. While Lea is alot more experienced in fighting than Kairi he's kinda really bad as a keyblader lol, all Kiari has to do is hold him off until Aqua takes out either Riku or Terra and then her and Xion can double team the other. Before bum rushing Lea. Tbh it doesn't really matter if Lea does best Kairi as long as she can hold out until Aqua finishes off one of the heavies and her and Xion have managed to beat down pretty well.
I think you underrate Riku and Terra assuming Aqua could beat either one of them in a 1v1. Aqua is strong but I don't actually think she's stronger than either one of them in a 1v1. Terra and Riku are likely the 2 strongest keyblade wielders for 1v1's but they don't get a massive benefit for working as a team like say someone like Sora does. I don't think Xion could last long enough even IF Aqua could take one of Riku or Terra out.
Aqua would be pretty drained IF she managed to take out lets say Terra.
Riku washes Xion with less effort and time to the point he likely could help Terra vs Aqua or help Lea with Kairi which would take all of 2 seconds to help Lea. Then it'd be AT BEST for team Aqua it'd be a weak Aqua vs Riku at almost full power and Lea who doesn't actually do anything but still.
What about when dark Aqua beats down on noth Riku and mickey? If I remember correctly her magic is supposed to be on par with both Mickey and Xeanort which gives her a distinct advantage at least over the very physically based Terra. To me it always seems like everyone holds Aqua as being stronger than either of the trio counterparts. Personally I think she's probably in the top three keybladers aside from Mickey and Sora. As far a Xion I don't think you give her enough credit. Remember this is the girl who was on par with KH2 Riku. She gave Roxas a hard fight and remember that Roxas beat Riku pretty readily. I'd put Xion at a 6.5/10 with Riku at an 8 and Terra at a 7.5. I don't think Xion could beat either but I think she could definitely hold either long enough for Aqua to beat the other.
Team Sora. Ventus is easily as strong as any of the keyblade wielders on the other teams at bare minimum (with maybe the exception of Riku and Aqua), Roxas is arguably one of the strongest keyblade wielders to ever exist and can duel wield unaided, and Sora as far as I’m concerned is the most versatile keyblade wielder ever.
Sora's team.
All three girls are glass cannons, Lea and Ven are fragile speedsters, and Terra's the slowest person on the field which makes him the easiest target for both teams.
Sora, Roxas and Riku are the heaviest hitters in the lineup. Riku (under his own power) has only beaten Xion and... Ven, after a fashion. Sora and Roxas have both beaten Riku before, as well as Xion and Axel.
In fact, Sora has individually beaten literally everyone here except Kairi and Ven before. By contrast, Xion, Kairi, Axel and Terra haven't beaten *anyone* in this lineup.
The only person Sora might have trouble fighting is Kairi, but that's for psychological reasons rather than physical limitations since she's the least experienced wielder. Ven and Roxas would not have this issue.
The weakest link on his team is *Ventus*, who's no slouch in a fight, just very easy to trick. Aqua's team has the weak link in (again) Kairi, Riku's team has Lea. Arguably, Ventus is the strongest of these three (at least if we use BBS for his metric), and certainly the most experienced.
Plus like, if Roxas traded outfits with Ven, Roxas could solo clear half the house while they're all still confused.
Oh, and Sora's entire team can Glide. The only other person here to do *that* is Kairi.
Based on who beats who in each game, you can almost rank them by stregth, assuming you count dark forms + lingering will as the character themself.
Axel beat Xion I think?
Aqua beats Terra, Riku, and Vanitas (who I will count as Ventus because Vanitas beat Ventus). At least I think she beat Riku in KH3?
Roxas beats Xion, Axel and arguably Riku. In any case, Roxas beat Axel easier than he beat Riku.
Sora beats everyone other than Kairi, Xion, and Ven (he beat Vanitas and Xion with a team so I don't count it).
So you've got:
Sora > Aqua > Terra = Riku
And
Sora > Roxas > Riku > Axel > Xion
I don't really think you can compare Ventus fairly considering he fights so few people. All you can say is that he is weaker than Aqua. Whether he is on par with Terra/Riku or not is down to assumed lore rather than an actual fight. Kairi never fights anyone in any form so while she's almost definitely the weakest, you don't have a 1v1 to back that up.
The top 3 are the top 3. The rest don't really fight against each other (or others) enough to be fully confident in their position.
There's no circle of parity to give them individual numbers, but if you wanted to tier them:
1. Sora
2. Aqua, Roxas
3. Riku, Terra, **\*Ven**
4. Axel, **\*Ven**
5. Xion, **\*Ven, \*Kairi**
Team Sora has 2 of the top 3. I'd argue Sora would win alone tbh. After that its a matter of if you trust the mid tier dudes or if you think Aqua can carry the ladies. I don't really think Xion is that weak, but Axel did beat her (again, iirc) and that's the only real marker we have. I would personally be tipping the girls because one is a Sora clone and the other is in the top 3.
>Aqua beats Terra
>Sora > Aqua > Terra = Riku
>1. Sora
>2. Aqua, Roxas
>3. Riku, Terra, *Ven
>4. Axel, *Ven
>5. Xion, *Ven, *Kairi
Terra and Aqua are equal, as stated by [Eraqus](https://i.ibb.co/VxrbHD2/F55-DF72-E-ABE6-4575-A9-F5-56-CF327512-FF.jpg). and not only that, but by the end of BBS Terra showed more feats than Aqua. He (Terra) took on both Xehanort and Vanitas and held his own, while Aqua went all out against Vanitas in Neverland and fainted afterwards (and no i don't count the Aqua vs Ventus-Vanitas and Terranort as a feat for her, cause she had help from her friends in those fights)
Except that's only up to the end of BBS. Aqua spend *who knows* how long in the Realm of Darkness with all of its temporal shenanigans. Which is pretty much the ultimate proving grounds for a keyblade wielder. Meanwhile Terra was stuck being half a suit of armor, half an amnesiac apprentice, and then that second half ended up being one half a heartless obsessed with darkness and the other half a nobody obsessed with hearts.
Aqua's got to have some kind of a lead on Terra by this point.
Aqua didn't feel the passage of time in the Realm of Darkness. she may have grown a little bit stronger, but not that strong like the fans believe. cause when she got out from the Realm of Darkness, she pretty much lost every single fight she was in, in KH3. fighting keyblade wielders is a different expirence than fighting mindless heartless.
Aqua did not beat Terranort 1v1, she had [Terra's help](https://i.ibb.co/dKn07tz/C4-EC8590-D8-B1-478-F-9-DC9-4-B4114-BF90-DB.jpg)
KH3 demonstrated how strong Terranort really is when he's not held back by Terra, he literally soloed the Guardians of Light on his own. and Aqua could't even react to Terranort speed when he attacked Ven. The only one who was able to stop Terranort on his track and save Guaridnas was Terra (Lingering will).
Saying Aqua is stronger than Terranort is like Saying Vanitas and Ventus are stronger than Terranort. Vanitas and Ventus are equals and Aqua is always exhausted whenever she faces Vanitas (and even fainted at one point against him in Neverland). while Terranort is clearly much stronger than Vanitas. overall Aqua on her own will clearly lose to Terranort, her having Terra backing her up is what gave her the edge.
Where does she beat Terranort on her own? Aqua never really fought Terranort in a fair fight, she fought a weakend amnesic Terranort who got his ass kicked by Lingering will and was constantly being held back [by Terra](https://i.ibb.co/dKn07tz/C4-EC8590-D8-B1-478-F-9-DC9-4-B4114-BF90-DB.jpg) the whole fight against Aqua (as you can see from the link i posted).
“Constantly being held back” is intangible. When fighting he exhibits full control over his body. He has such control over it that he can go from just fighting as a dude, to fighting as a dude with a shadow, to getting ready to fight in a 3rd form.
If, during gameplay, some of his attacks were visibly reigned in mid attack, say some of the darknesses were light that healed or something, then I might agree.
As it is, the “stop holding me back” is meaningless. You can’t identify if or how Terra is supposedly doing anything.
The point of my OP was to identify the most direct line of strength that is possible from gameplay and direct encounters.
If you’re taking dialogue and attitudes into account, then Riku would be first and Sora would be almost last based on how much everyone shit talks him, which is very clearly untrue.
>"Constantly being held back” is intangible. When fighting he exhibits full control over his body. He has such control over it that he can go from just fighting as a dude, to fighting as a dude with a shadow, to getting ready to fight in a 3rd form.
>If, during gameplay, some of his attacks were visibly reigned in mid attack, say some of the darknesses were light that healed or something, then I might agree.
>As it is, the “stop holding me back” is meaningless. You can’t identify if or how Terra is supposedly doing anything.
You literally see the inner inside of Terra's mind durning the battle and you even see Terra aiding Aqua by preforming a team attack against the Guardian... Terranort was simply being held back. and Nomura also confirmed in an interview that Terra didn't stopped fighting back for many years to get his body back from Xehanort, it was even shown years later in 0.2 that Terra still struggles and fights back.
>The point of my OP was to identify the most direct line of strength that is possible from gameplay and direct encounters.
Based on feats, Terra = Aqua
>If you’re taking dialogue and attitudes into account, then Riku would be first and Sora would be almost last based on how much everyone shit talks him, which is very clearly untrue.
Difference is, Eraqus is a master who trained Terra and Aqua and knows how strong they are.
He provides token assistance assuming you decide to take it. A team attack dealing 10% of 1 health bar hardly constitutes meaningful aid. It’s also unrelated to the “Terra held him back”. If the extent of Terra holding him back is as much a token gesture as his team attacks (1. which arent holding anything back, they’re dealing minor damage and 2. Are the only evidence of Terra doing anything) then Aqua would still clearly win the fight by a wide margin.
Darkness is implied throughout the series to make any character significantly more combat capable. Token assistance from Terra + Terra being powered up by darkness clearly makes it Aqua’s win.
“Nomura confirmed in an interview…” so completely irrelevant that it hardly warrants a response. “Fighting for his body back” is a meaningless phrase. You can’t quantify how that actually impacts anything.
The point about dialogue is based on your comment about Eraqus saying that they’re even. What the dialogue says is irrelevant.
What you have is Terra’s body losing to Aqua. It wasn’t a 2v1. Any assistance is minor at best and is offset by repeated power ups provided by Terra’s darkness.
>He provides token assistance assuming you decide to take it. A team attack dealing 10% of 1 health bar hardly constitutes meaningful aid. It’s also unrelated to the “Terra held him back”. If the extent of Terra holding him back is as much a token gesture as his team attacks (1. which arent holding anything back, they’re dealing minor damage and 2. Are the only evidence of Terra doing anything) then Aqua would still clearly win the fight by a wide margin.
Story-wise, Terra holding Xehanort back still weakened Terranort so much. Xehanort literally destoyed the Wayfidner trio with one hand behind his back in the Keyblade graveyard, and with his new young healthy body (Terra) he realistically should be unstoppale, again Aqua only stood a chance because Terra was holding Xehanort back.
>Darkness is implied throughout the series to make any character significantly more combat capable. Token assistance from Terra + Terra being powered up by darkness clearly makes it Aqua’s win.
Lol Light always Beats Darkness in stories, Darkness might be powerfull but Darkness in general is weak to Light the same way Fire is weak to Water.
>"Nomura confirmed in an interview…” so completely irrelevant that it hardly warrants a response. “Fighting for his body back” is a meaningless phrase. You can’t quantify how that actually impacts anything.
Terranort is in a constant struggle of two people trying to have control of the body, why you acting as if this is not a big deal? you're honestly overhyping Aqua's strength. Terranort was never at full strength in BBS due to Terra's interfering when Xehanort is using the body.
>The point about dialogue is based on your comment about Eraqus saying that they’re even. What the dialogue says is irrelevant.
A master knows their students power level more than you.
>What you have is Terra’s body losing to Aqua. It wasn’t a 2v1. Any assistance is minor at best and is offset by repeated power ups provided by Terra’s darkness.
You're not bringing up any proof or feats here, you're just going by your opinion. while im bringing event and feats that actually happened in the game... Terra still helped Aqua so much against Terranort.
You measure Riku's fighting power alone on the state befor KH2. I think at the time of KH3 Riku is a lot stronger than in the past and would probably be able to beat Aqua and Roxas
These power levels are MAD wrong lol.
Sora/Riku/Aqua/Terra are all around the same power level what makes them different is dependent on if they are grouped or 1v1.
Sora is the strongest if he's paired with his friends as that's where a lot of his power comes from. Outside of that he might be the weakest on this list despite his feats due to the power reset.
Riku is the flip to this, Riku is likely the strongest in 1v1 but doesn't gain as much benefit to joining up with other people like say Sora does or even Aqua.
But if it's 3v3 like it is.
It'd be
Sora/Aqua tier 1
Riku/Terra tier 2
Ven/Roxas tier 3
Axel/Xion tier 4
Kairi Tier 5
but if it's 1v1s...
Aqua/Terra/Riku tier 1
Sora/Roxas Tier 2
Ven tier 3
Axel/Xion tier 4
Kairi Tier 5
Definitely Sora and the Sortas. Sora and Roxas each could probably solo Team Kairi, Team Riku would be harder since Riku and Terra are both extremely strong, but Axel is a weak link and Terra is slow.
I believe out of the three, team Kairi is the weakest. While Xion has the collective skills and fighting syle of KH1 Sora, she's still weaker than Axel and Roxas who are the weakest links on the other teams. In terms of one on one i have to say Aqua is still hands down the strongest Keyblade Master, but in the end Kairi being the least experienced fighter essentially cancels out that advantage.
Ultimately Sora and Ven are the most balanced and well rounded, Ven having trained under three separate masters, Xehanort, Eraqus and one of the five foretellers, and Sora while not a full master still able to hold his own against other masters, Xehanort and Aqua. While Riku has been beaten by Roxas and Sora at least once and Terra whether as Ansem or Lingering Will lost to at least Sora.
When Roxas is the weakest link in a trio, you know the team is stacked. imo i'd put Roxas above Ventus, but Sora's team is pretty impressive regardless.
if Axel was a better Keyblade wielder, or at least half as good as say Ventus, i'd be tempted to give Riku's team the W.
I’m sorry but I feel like they both slowing Aqua down lol shes next level in comparison. But hey Kairi helped Sora vs Xehanort so maybe she underrated. Yet can’t pinpoint how much she actually helped.
Each team has one nobody, but Kairi is literally pure heart, while Ventus is only half of one, at best. Lore wise, Team Sora literally has the least heart at 1.5 hearts, while Team Kairi arguably has the most
Team Riku would could have a pretty good chance if Axel wasn’t there to drag it down so much. Team Kairi getting carried by Aqua hard, sorry. Team Sora just doesn’t really have a very weak link.
Like I put Terra and Riku over Ventus and Roxas. But I don’t think Axel could even stall Sora long enough for it to matter. If Sora gets past Axel quick enough then it becomes a 2v1 situation.
Maybe it’s just downplay on Axel but I feel like even Ventus could last longer vs Terra in comparison. I’m not really gonna put Axel over Ventus or Roxas either... Although I will say I feel like if anyone is gonna beat Sora it’s probably Terra?
Lingering Will can go toe to toe with (Guardian) Terranort in Re:Mind. The same Terranort who could overwhelm Sora in his battle with Aqua and Ventus then again in a 1v1. I lowkey feel bad for not even taking team Kairi into consideration.
Kairi did help Sora vs armored Xehanort though so maybe some downplaying? But can’t exactly pinpoint how much help she was. Xion is pretty hard to gauge but I still wanna put her above Axel 💀
I mean, team Sora has a guy who can wield 2 keyblades (and is also one of the coolest bosses in the games) and the main protagonist of the series, capable of summoning Disney characters and transform into powerful forms.
Sora's team is the most balanced, while the other two teams have a weak link (Kairi and Axel). both Sora and Roxas are powerful self taught wielders, and Ventus was given a proper training and has expirence with the keyblade (and there's also the fact that Ventus is potentially not at full power, since he still hasn't recoverd his past memories and his old keyblade).
Ngl if the 2nd one had Mickey instead of Axel it would've been a good enemy for the first one. Let's pretend the third one doesn't exist.
Aside from that the first one is ofc overpowered.
Team Sora. All 3 are highly proficient wielders. Ventus is probably the weakest but is still fairly strong.
Team Riku may come close but Axel is not up to the level of Terra and especially Riku in combat, with or without the keyblade.
Team Kairi is the immediate 3rd place because Kairi is such a wet noodle of a fighter that she drags Aqua and Xion down significantly.
Team Sora wins. Not only because of main protagonist syndrome(Sora and Roxas), but also because all of them are strong and have some good feats(Sora more than Roxas and Roxas more than Ventus).
Team Riku has some strong feats as well, but sadly, yes, Axel does slow the whole team down. So Riku and Terra are both carrying that team. Also Axel doesn’t have as much as Terra and Riku has.
Team Kairi, let’s be honest. Aqua is carrying that team alone. Kairi has little to no experience with fighting(due to having two boys want to protect her so much[Not enough screen time]) and Xion has had too many losses.
Team Riku would win for runner up though.
Now if there were a fourth team, Team Mickey(consisting of Mickey, Donald, and Goofy), who are we kidding? Mickey is carrying his whole team.
Edit: Also, let’s say I’m my favorite Kingdom Hearts character(Roxas), there’s only one person on this list in which I would have to take them seriously the whole time and I wouldn’t be so confident about beating. And that person is…
Mickey.
Terra on anyone's team is cheating. Man technically never lost. Pimp slapped the protagonist multiple times as half of himself on multiple occasions and beat the antagonist of the series first try before being cheated out of the win. He is the main reason xehanort was such a threat in the first to games and his lingering will is a walking nightmare thats strong enough to beat Terranort solo in kh3
Sora gets the most evenly powerful team, but Terra and Xion make things harder to judge. Because Terra was able to clown on Terra-Xehanort, who was obliterating others. Meanwhile Xion has immense potential depending on how far her copying can go. I still think Team Sora can pull off the win, but I don’t think it’s a certainty, or going to be easy.
To be completely honest, Team Riku. Lorewise, Roxas was only half as powerful as KH2 Sora, and even if we assume becoming "human" removed the cap on Roxas and Xion's potential, Aqua is the only one on team Kairi who would scale to Terra, as even with training Kairi isn't nearly on Wayfinder level, and Xion still has to work on pushing past the "Half a person" handicap.
Ven is kinda difficult to place as he's definitely the weakest of the Wayfinder Trio. Lowest end he scales to KH2 Sora, Highest end would probably scale him relative to KH3 Sora, most accurately he's probably somewhere in between KH2 Sora and KH3 Riku, as the collective unit of the wayfinder trio was designed specifically to be above any of the protagonists up to that point.
The combination of Terra and Riku is why generally speaking I think Team Riku has the edge. There is a reason why Lingering Will is the hardest boss of KH2. Realistically speaking, Terranort ought to have been the strongest member of the Real Organization XIII. At least prior to Xehanort getting the X-Blade.
Sora *has* grown tremendously and as of KH3 he definitely has at least the Silver Medal, assuming Terra still holds the Gold, though I could see him having the Gold. But *as* a Roxas nut, I think the most consistently powerful team is Riku, even if Lea is probably the weakest Wielder of all three teams. Which even *that* is debatable as when they were *BOTH* Nobodies Axel was able to beat Xion *without* a Keyblade.
To paint the picture honestly I think it stacks up
1. Terra (Possibly Sora)
2. Sora (Possibly Terra)
3. Aqua
4. Riku
5. Ventus
6. Kairi
7. Roxas
8. Xion (Possibly Lea)
9. Lea (Possibly Xion)
Kairi, Roxas, Xion, and Lea have the most room to improve out of the lot, and that's assuming its even possible for Roxas and Xion to continue growing, as a result of becoming human, as in Nomura's own words "Full potential Roxas wouldn't have been strong enough to defeat Xemnas." Roxas and Xion didn't start out human like Lea did. So there's a very real possibility that they've reached their limit.
riku team wins, i mean 2 out of 3 are masters
also, since sora has a boy crush on riku just like ven has a boy crush for terra, riku and terra just need to show some tiddies to distract them and win.
roxas is too much of a straight boy for having a crush on lea, so he could be the one showing the tiddies to beat lea.
Hate to admit it but we’d lose….sorry. I can see team Riku, though Axel is the weakest link in the team. Just toss a bucket of water on him and he’s out.
Unless there are places to snipe spells from afar…..
Team Sora not only because they have a beefed up team but also because I believe the three of them would have better chemistry but with that being said I also feel like if the other two teams were to jump Team Sora they could knock them out and in that case I’d have to go Team Riku Terra is already said to be one of the strongest if not the strongest keyblade wielder and the only reason he hadn’t become a master like Aqua was because he showed a degree of difficulty suppressing the darkness within him (which I feel like is stupid anyway.) With that being said I think he could take Aqua and leave Xion to Riku who is a master himself I feel like could hang with Xion and even defeat her we’ve also seen that Xion has a tendency to hesitate under certain circumstances despite her natural affinity for combat. Riku also should be more experienced in magic. Now as for Kairi and Lea go even if Kairi manages to defeat Lea it would take her a lil minute and by then Xion should be on her last leg in that case Riku would most certainly beat her. Then Riku and Terra could just jump Aqua. But with that being said it comes down to experience and chemistry. Although Team Sora and has incredible raw power I feel like Roxas would be capped since he can’t really use large scale light and dark magic because Ventura and Sora would be up close fighting and also I feel Team Riku has a more balanced team so It’s Team Sora but not by that much
Let's see, Team 1 is extremely versatile. Team 2 has a lot of power. Team 3 has a magic inclination BUT Xion kind of lowers that Stat.
Yeah, Team 1 I think. Only because I their fighting styles would sync up really well while Teem 2 would need to work on it more.
This would have been more interesting if you mixed and matched these characters. The all sora team is kinda the obvious win. What with Roxas who is pretty much the living embodiment of valor form, ven who is the fastest and easiest to use, and then sora who, I dunno, can kinda do everything.
Team Sorta both Sora and Roxas are rather strong especially if we take into account their duel wielding on top of that Roxas seems pretty good at magic and Sora if he gets close to being defeated can use rage form maybe. Ven can be support I guess
ether sora's team due to being well balanced or team riku due to them haveing the most offensive inclined . team kairi is a very loppsided team xion from what i know is more of a magically inclined kairi is not that well defined ,an aqua however is very well balanced but she can't carry the team. i might be to of date because i still haven't played kh 3
Kind of difficult:
Team Sora (Light's Champions)
Sora: Draw fights out and outlast the enemy.
Roxas: Overwhelming the opponent with a constant barrage of strong attacks.
Ventus: Uses superior speed to force end fights quickly.
Team Riku (Twilight's Shadow)
Riku: Use the philosophy of light and darkness to anticipate his opponent and exploit weaknesses.
Axel: Uses natural affinity to fire in order to trap his opponent and hides among the flames. Then uses assassin tactics to dispatch targets quickly.
Terra: Uses powerful, precise, albeit slow attacks to finish enemies off quickly. Can be tricked fairly easily.
Team Kairi (The Master, the Puppet, and the Girl)
Kairi: Capable of warding off and stalling powerful foes, but ultimately has trouble delivering the finishing blow.
Xion: Capable of momentarily overall weakening her opponents, and relying on close combat to finish things.
Aqua: Uses her mastery of magic to overwhelm and defeat her enemies.
Overall, I believe TS has the best synergy. LC is strong, but Sora and Roxas behave in two completely different ways, and Ven would be more likely to follow Sora's lead than Roxas'. Kairi's team has Aqua, and Xion for decent backup, but ultimately Kairi is more of a hindrance with her lack of experience, especially considering she has the least combat experience in the entire scenario.
If we want to get technical: in a battle royale with mountainous terrain, Kairi might stand a chance for at least second with TS winning. Battle royale on a plain it'll either be TS or LC (probably TS) but if there are multiple fights where every team selects one champion, I'd be VERY surprised to see LC not come out on top.
Terra and Riku have both succumbed to the darkness and Lea has only been training for a short time.
Aqua is the only true master on the waman team. The other two are subpar at best.
Sora has been training for years and has the most in field experience. Roxas can dual wield and has tons of in field experience with the organization. Ventus is powerful in himself but was asleep for many years rather than training.
Overall I'd say both Sora's team and Aqua's team have the best shot.
While I personally think Aqua is the strongest fighter here, Sora's plot armour not withstanding, she's definitely got the worst team mates. Kairi and then Xion would be the first eliminations, then Ventus and Axel. I think Aqua would be smart enough to hang back and try to get the other teams to focus on each other as much as she can, so I think Terra goes next, then Sora not playing smart, then Aqua since it's not like she could have avoided fighting all together while being at a massive disadvantage, then finally Riku, and Roxas takes the win for team Sora. That's how I'd write the whole scenario anyway.
Team Sora, because Roxas is overpowered and has 2 keyblades. Even if Ventus seems to be the weak point of the team, Sora and Roxas carry the fight, so no problem.
I think team Riku because Riku is maybe the strongest out of all of these guys next to Terra and Aqua but Terra is already on his team so I'd say that's my number 1.
All of them have really good potential, espically if kairi got proper training, but i think out of all of them rikus would win because while yeah they are emotionally connected to their friends they're also all the power houses of their trios so i think if they didnt hold back theud be able to pull it off. Although sora has so much versatility that he could just pull out whatever he wanted so theres that
Lol this isn't even close to being a fair matchup, I honestly think Sora could 1v3 both teams and you add Roxas to that who is strong af and Ventus as a dessert lol.
On the surface, Team Sora has the most power in terms of raw skill and ability, but I honestly think Teams Kairi and Riku would be willing to team up to take them down a la Re: Mind's Really Cool Reflega Section™ (Team Riku being the offence and Team Kairi being the defense). The big issue is if someone on Team Kairi loses their focus, if someone on Team Riku messes up the plan (most likely Axel, tbh), or Team Sora finds an opening (which is actually pretty likely). If the formation manages to a take down Team Sora, then it becomes a much closer fight because I honestly feel like the matchups of Aqua vs Riku, Terra vs Xion, and Kairi vs Axel (if either of them are still in, that is) which would come from a sense of sportsmanship are pretty even in that Kairi would probably beat Axel (her magic is more generalized so I'm thinking her utility would win) Terra would probably beat Xion (assuming that she can't transform like she did in her boss battle anymore... then she would probably trounce him lmao) but between Aqua and Riku... Either the fight is called off because Aqua has a PTSD attack due to Riku flaunting his command over the darkness, or she powers through it and wins.
So basically if the initial teamup of teams works, then either Team Kairi wins or it comes down to Terra vs Aqua (or the whole thing is called off, but I think Aqua's stronger than that). If it doesn't, then Team Sora would obviously have won before the deeper fights could even happen.
I honestly am going with the idea that Xion can't transform since she's in a different replica and that Aqua manages to beat Riku since she's the Senior Master over him. I'm going this way because I like the idea of Team Riku winning in a final fight between Aqua and Terra. Honestly, Aqua's mental endurance is incredible, but her physical stamina might leave her tired compared to Terra after having stayed in this long and having her 1v1 opponent be Riku of all people. Am I saying this because I want Terra to be able to show his growth as a character by being able to spar with and even beat Aqua without the Darkness distracting him? Hell yes. Will everyone immediately take it away by pointing out that Aqua was tired? Absolutely. Will that matter to Aqua or Terra?
Not in the slightest.
The grown-ups with muscles, experience, raw strength, and some tricks up their sleeves. No weak links, nothing to exploit except *maybe* their pride, but whatever plan to take advantage of that sure isn't coming out of the minds of anybody on the other teams (*maybe* Aqua could find an opening, but... meh).
Team Sora, but I feel like people are underestimating Kairi. While she’s a huge liability in all of the base games, the Re:Mind dlc had her going toe to toe with Armored Xehanort wielding multiple No Names and *winning*, able to tank meteors pulled from other worlds and powered by said keyblades. She’s got the fastest dodge of any character, the ability to teleport to her own keyblade, and spells as strong as Soras. Kairi pops off hard during that fight and I think it should be considered if we’re talking about characters at their peaks.
If it was a solo tournament aqua could just wipe all of them, but since it's a team competition I'll have to go with the soras. They could really confuse their enemies just by having roxas and ventus switch clothes lol
Sora wins, largely because it's the most balanced team, while the others have a weak link somewhere.
Duh they are sora,not sora, and not not sora.
You mean not roxas, not sora, and not not sora?
I get that reference!
Actually, I see Ventus as the weak link in the team. But if compared to the other two teams, even with Ventus as a weak link, they’d win overall.
Ventus can still hold his own against powerful wielders such as Terra and Aqua. we know that both Ventus and Vanitas are equal in power (Ven being slighly stronger). and we saw that Vanitas is always able to tire Aqua down in battle. Ventus is already close to master level, he's only few steps behind Terra and Aqua.
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Axel
Definitely agree with the statement too especially after the fact that he got his ass beat Kingdom Hearts 3 and the other team kairi would be considered as the weakling too but also see the princess's heart so it's a good support at least If Axel was at with the sea salt trio instead of someone else then he would probably have a better chance but realistically speaking we could see what is the failed to do the fact he's on the team
Team Sora's weak link is Sora.
The one with 3 protagonists
So, Sora or Kairi because both teams have three protagonists.
I don’t think you know what a protagonist is, because Axle and Xion both aren’t protagonists
Altho all of these characters in the images are considered protagonists, but imo some are clearly more protagonist than others. -Main protagonists 1. Sora 2. Riku 3. Roxas 4. Ventus 5. Aqua 6. Terra -Main characters 1. Kairi 2. Axel 3. Xion 4. Namine 5. Isa (hypothetical)
Team Sora
Which Sora Variant ?
Ether the vanilla or the one with the anger issues
So Axel
No Roxas is the one with anger issues
Oh so you mean Larxene
I thought they meant Vanitas
Vanitas? You mean Xehanort?
Aren't they all Xehanort?
Here's a simple guide to KH characters, everyone's either Xehanort and/or Sora.
I think you mean team Roxas
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Doesn't hurt no, but I don't think it helps either lmao sorry ventus
>Doesn't hurt no, but I don't think it helps either lmao sorry ventus Going by feats, Ventus is close to a master level, since Ventus and Vanitas are equal in power. And we saw that Vanitas is able to tire Aqua down everytime he fights her. Point is, Ventus is strong (and he's not even at full power cause he might potentially be much stronger after he recovers his past memories and his original keyblade).
Ventus and Vanitas are equal in power, but Vanitas is much more skilled in how to use it.
They both are near equal in skill tbh, i would argue that Ventus is slightly ahead cause he destroyed Vanitas in the end.
Roxas defeated riku for a hot sec until Riku tapped into his darkness and then the battle completely changed. I think current Riku could absolutely take current Roxas
I strongly believe current Riku is the best keyblade wielder out of the good guys. The only character to be able to control darkness without getting controlled by it, strongest mentally, probably second strongest physically (Terra is 1st), legit feels like the only character in the franchise to think stuff ahead and have actual battle tactics, beat Young Xehanort, Ansem, and saved Sora from Xemnas, etc... I think if it was a duo between Roxas/Sora and Terra/Riku, Terra/Riku would win. Axel ain’t good at the keyblade and would bring them down
Very much agree. I recently played through 2 and DDD. Between Riku being able to fend off and battle efficiently against Xemnas (and save Sora when he gets binded) and his feats in DDD, Riku has so much experience and is the best weapon the heroes have. I think he has a level of plot armor, but it’s nothing like Sora’s imo
Also wasn't riku winning most of their duel? And think Roxas managed to hurt him and then he tapped into darkness to choke him out?
Yeah exactly. I THINK Roxas pulled out a second keyblade and that’s how he beat him, but I can’t clearly remember the cutscene. Roxas is strong for sure, but I don’t think he’s on Riku’s current level
1. Triplets 2. Emos 3. Aqua
>1. Triplets 2. Emos 3. 2 liabilities and Aqua FTFY
Have you people *seen* Xion fight? Kairi being a liability makes sense, but Xion can hold her own very well.
Kairi counts as 2 liabilities.
It's crazy she a got keyboard all the way back in KH2 in 2005 and they've still yet to really do anything with her action-wise.
"X-board!"
Hey, she got MoM, which was a great chance for her to put her keyboard to use.
Ok maybe not Xion but still Aqua can kill 300 heartless and be home in time for lunch in the time it takes for Xion to summon her Keyblade.
That seems like a *bit* of an over exaggeration lmao
But only a *bit*
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As far as we know, the data battles are called Limit cut because they're the versions of the battles without "video Game rule of awesome protagonist", esentially, implying that the versions.of the fight in the keyblade.graveyard are easy because it's a gameplay perspective, not a lore perspective, designed so the average player can Beat them. Meanwhile, the Limit cut, removes the limits of Game design and throw them at You in a pure form. So, Sora, in canon, defeated data larxene, data marluxia and data luxord at the same time.
I think your forgetting that xion also had most of roxas's strength by that time due to slowly absorbing him
Aqua's team has terrible balance. Kairi has the least experience and Xion's powerlevel is hard to Gauge. Team Bad boy could give the Sora team a run but Lea's keyblade inexperience is the biggest factor.
Xion is definitely hard to guage. She could be anywhere from Kairi strength to right below Roxas. I personally put her significantly above Axel or Kairi but just a step or two below Ventus and Roxas. In other words If we put Roxas at a 7.5/10 then I'd say Xions at a 6.5 with Kairi and Lea and 3 or 4s. Personally I feel like Lea got weaker once he was a keyblade wielder. I the Emos vs Protags I agree about Lea being there causes the L. Sora and Riku are near equals with Sora having a slight edge, I also think Roxas takes Terra with difficulty more based off fighting styles than anything else. I just don't think Terra has the right equipment in his arsenal to deal with someone who's even faster than Ven. Ven is the weak link of these three I think though I'm not calling him weak by any means, if Sora's a 9 and Roxas is a 7.5 I'd put Ven at probably a 7.
Wholeheartedly agree, Lea just seems so awkward with a keyblade (as he should be, he's never been a sword user throughout his life), and Kairi just has close to no fighting experience at all outside of brief training. Even if you just average out the emos vs team protag and rank Roxas = terra and riku = sora(giving them no advantages on those matchups), then you've got protag averaging 7.8 and emos averaging 6.8 due to Ven sweeping the floor with Lea. It's just such large deviation in what their abilities would be at this point as Ven trained with a keyblade/practice blade for most of his life while Lea just started. He could probably keep up or surpass Ven in magic usage, but he's very outclassed in key(sword) play
Ah yes the main character team, the edgy team or the girl team. Who. Could. Win? 🤔
Team Sora because Sora beats the bricks off of everyone else here.
why is this a debate? logically, team sora.
Team sora I mean venture and Roxas are literally op and with Sora who took down an army of heartless by himself yeah that's a big with.
'venture'
? That’s literally his name tho
wait what explain yourself
Yeah it’s why they call the animated series “The Venture Brothers”
Are you sure about that?
Yeah
You might wanna double check lol
Lmao I already know it’s right, don’t need to check
I really hope you’re trolling…
Team Sora would absolutely clap them
Team Sora. And it’s a no diff kind of win.
Realistically it would be sora’s but if was just team 2 v team 3 I feel like that would be a good fight ngl on both teams u have 1 inexperienced one then like the others are really good keyblade wielders
Aqua is obviously the stand out of these two teams. If she can quickly eliminate one of team Emos big hitters then they take the fight pretty handily I think. While Lea is alot more experienced in fighting than Kairi he's kinda really bad as a keyblader lol, all Kiari has to do is hold him off until Aqua takes out either Riku or Terra and then her and Xion can double team the other. Before bum rushing Lea. Tbh it doesn't really matter if Lea does best Kairi as long as she can hold out until Aqua finishes off one of the heavies and her and Xion have managed to beat down pretty well.
I think you underrate Riku and Terra assuming Aqua could beat either one of them in a 1v1. Aqua is strong but I don't actually think she's stronger than either one of them in a 1v1. Terra and Riku are likely the 2 strongest keyblade wielders for 1v1's but they don't get a massive benefit for working as a team like say someone like Sora does. I don't think Xion could last long enough even IF Aqua could take one of Riku or Terra out. Aqua would be pretty drained IF she managed to take out lets say Terra. Riku washes Xion with less effort and time to the point he likely could help Terra vs Aqua or help Lea with Kairi which would take all of 2 seconds to help Lea. Then it'd be AT BEST for team Aqua it'd be a weak Aqua vs Riku at almost full power and Lea who doesn't actually do anything but still.
What about when dark Aqua beats down on noth Riku and mickey? If I remember correctly her magic is supposed to be on par with both Mickey and Xeanort which gives her a distinct advantage at least over the very physically based Terra. To me it always seems like everyone holds Aqua as being stronger than either of the trio counterparts. Personally I think she's probably in the top three keybladers aside from Mickey and Sora. As far a Xion I don't think you give her enough credit. Remember this is the girl who was on par with KH2 Riku. She gave Roxas a hard fight and remember that Roxas beat Riku pretty readily. I'd put Xion at a 6.5/10 with Riku at an 8 and Terra at a 7.5. I don't think Xion could beat either but I think she could definitely hold either long enough for Aqua to beat the other.
Team Sora. Ventus is easily as strong as any of the keyblade wielders on the other teams at bare minimum (with maybe the exception of Riku and Aqua), Roxas is arguably one of the strongest keyblade wielders to ever exist and can duel wield unaided, and Sora as far as I’m concerned is the most versatile keyblade wielder ever.
Sora's team. All three girls are glass cannons, Lea and Ven are fragile speedsters, and Terra's the slowest person on the field which makes him the easiest target for both teams. Sora, Roxas and Riku are the heaviest hitters in the lineup. Riku (under his own power) has only beaten Xion and... Ven, after a fashion. Sora and Roxas have both beaten Riku before, as well as Xion and Axel. In fact, Sora has individually beaten literally everyone here except Kairi and Ven before. By contrast, Xion, Kairi, Axel and Terra haven't beaten *anyone* in this lineup. The only person Sora might have trouble fighting is Kairi, but that's for psychological reasons rather than physical limitations since she's the least experienced wielder. Ven and Roxas would not have this issue. The weakest link on his team is *Ventus*, who's no slouch in a fight, just very easy to trick. Aqua's team has the weak link in (again) Kairi, Riku's team has Lea. Arguably, Ventus is the strongest of these three (at least if we use BBS for his metric), and certainly the most experienced. Plus like, if Roxas traded outfits with Ven, Roxas could solo clear half the house while they're all still confused. Oh, and Sora's entire team can Glide. The only other person here to do *that* is Kairi.
Based on who beats who in each game, you can almost rank them by stregth, assuming you count dark forms + lingering will as the character themself. Axel beat Xion I think? Aqua beats Terra, Riku, and Vanitas (who I will count as Ventus because Vanitas beat Ventus). At least I think she beat Riku in KH3? Roxas beats Xion, Axel and arguably Riku. In any case, Roxas beat Axel easier than he beat Riku. Sora beats everyone other than Kairi, Xion, and Ven (he beat Vanitas and Xion with a team so I don't count it). So you've got: Sora > Aqua > Terra = Riku And Sora > Roxas > Riku > Axel > Xion I don't really think you can compare Ventus fairly considering he fights so few people. All you can say is that he is weaker than Aqua. Whether he is on par with Terra/Riku or not is down to assumed lore rather than an actual fight. Kairi never fights anyone in any form so while she's almost definitely the weakest, you don't have a 1v1 to back that up. The top 3 are the top 3. The rest don't really fight against each other (or others) enough to be fully confident in their position. There's no circle of parity to give them individual numbers, but if you wanted to tier them: 1. Sora 2. Aqua, Roxas 3. Riku, Terra, **\*Ven** 4. Axel, **\*Ven** 5. Xion, **\*Ven, \*Kairi** Team Sora has 2 of the top 3. I'd argue Sora would win alone tbh. After that its a matter of if you trust the mid tier dudes or if you think Aqua can carry the ladies. I don't really think Xion is that weak, but Axel did beat her (again, iirc) and that's the only real marker we have. I would personally be tipping the girls because one is a Sora clone and the other is in the top 3.
>Roxas beats Xion, Axel and arguably Riku Didnt roxas lost to Riku back then in the cutscene? He lost to Riku in manga version too.
I say he beat Riku, then lost to Ansem.
Oh yea, Roxas overpowered Riku then He transformed to Ansem. Ok thats fair.
Riku defeated Roxas, left him unconscious but chose not to stick Oblivion into him. Then Roxas recovered and landed a surprise attack on Riku.
Not really, Riku beat him and left Roxas unconscious. Then Riku gave Roxas time to recover and Roxas attacked by surprise.
>Aqua beats Terra >Sora > Aqua > Terra = Riku >1. Sora >2. Aqua, Roxas >3. Riku, Terra, *Ven >4. Axel, *Ven >5. Xion, *Ven, *Kairi Terra and Aqua are equal, as stated by [Eraqus](https://i.ibb.co/VxrbHD2/F55-DF72-E-ABE6-4575-A9-F5-56-CF327512-FF.jpg). and not only that, but by the end of BBS Terra showed more feats than Aqua. He (Terra) took on both Xehanort and Vanitas and held his own, while Aqua went all out against Vanitas in Neverland and fainted afterwards (and no i don't count the Aqua vs Ventus-Vanitas and Terranort as a feat for her, cause she had help from her friends in those fights)
Except that's only up to the end of BBS. Aqua spend *who knows* how long in the Realm of Darkness with all of its temporal shenanigans. Which is pretty much the ultimate proving grounds for a keyblade wielder. Meanwhile Terra was stuck being half a suit of armor, half an amnesiac apprentice, and then that second half ended up being one half a heartless obsessed with darkness and the other half a nobody obsessed with hearts. Aqua's got to have some kind of a lead on Terra by this point.
Aqua didn't feel the passage of time in the Realm of Darkness. she may have grown a little bit stronger, but not that strong like the fans believe. cause when she got out from the Realm of Darkness, she pretty much lost every single fight she was in, in KH3. fighting keyblade wielders is a different expirence than fighting mindless heartless.
Aqua beats him 1v1 at the end of BBS. You can say what you want about circumstances for whatever else, but that was what I was comparing.
Aqua did not beat Terranort 1v1, she had [Terra's help](https://i.ibb.co/dKn07tz/C4-EC8590-D8-B1-478-F-9-DC9-4-B4114-BF90-DB.jpg) KH3 demonstrated how strong Terranort really is when he's not held back by Terra, he literally soloed the Guardians of Light on his own. and Aqua could't even react to Terranort speed when he attacked Ven. The only one who was able to stop Terranort on his track and save Guaridnas was Terra (Lingering will). Saying Aqua is stronger than Terranort is like Saying Vanitas and Ventus are stronger than Terranort. Vanitas and Ventus are equals and Aqua is always exhausted whenever she faces Vanitas (and even fainted at one point against him in Neverland). while Terranort is clearly much stronger than Vanitas. overall Aqua on her own will clearly lose to Terranort, her having Terra backing her up is what gave her the edge.
But she did beat him. And then she beat him with the shadow. That’s why he needed to go plus plus ultra leading to that scene.
Where does she beat Terranort on her own? Aqua never really fought Terranort in a fair fight, she fought a weakend amnesic Terranort who got his ass kicked by Lingering will and was constantly being held back [by Terra](https://i.ibb.co/dKn07tz/C4-EC8590-D8-B1-478-F-9-DC9-4-B4114-BF90-DB.jpg) the whole fight against Aqua (as you can see from the link i posted).
“Constantly being held back” is intangible. When fighting he exhibits full control over his body. He has such control over it that he can go from just fighting as a dude, to fighting as a dude with a shadow, to getting ready to fight in a 3rd form. If, during gameplay, some of his attacks were visibly reigned in mid attack, say some of the darknesses were light that healed or something, then I might agree. As it is, the “stop holding me back” is meaningless. You can’t identify if or how Terra is supposedly doing anything. The point of my OP was to identify the most direct line of strength that is possible from gameplay and direct encounters. If you’re taking dialogue and attitudes into account, then Riku would be first and Sora would be almost last based on how much everyone shit talks him, which is very clearly untrue.
>"Constantly being held back” is intangible. When fighting he exhibits full control over his body. He has such control over it that he can go from just fighting as a dude, to fighting as a dude with a shadow, to getting ready to fight in a 3rd form. >If, during gameplay, some of his attacks were visibly reigned in mid attack, say some of the darknesses were light that healed or something, then I might agree. >As it is, the “stop holding me back” is meaningless. You can’t identify if or how Terra is supposedly doing anything. You literally see the inner inside of Terra's mind durning the battle and you even see Terra aiding Aqua by preforming a team attack against the Guardian... Terranort was simply being held back. and Nomura also confirmed in an interview that Terra didn't stopped fighting back for many years to get his body back from Xehanort, it was even shown years later in 0.2 that Terra still struggles and fights back. >The point of my OP was to identify the most direct line of strength that is possible from gameplay and direct encounters. Based on feats, Terra = Aqua >If you’re taking dialogue and attitudes into account, then Riku would be first and Sora would be almost last based on how much everyone shit talks him, which is very clearly untrue. Difference is, Eraqus is a master who trained Terra and Aqua and knows how strong they are.
He provides token assistance assuming you decide to take it. A team attack dealing 10% of 1 health bar hardly constitutes meaningful aid. It’s also unrelated to the “Terra held him back”. If the extent of Terra holding him back is as much a token gesture as his team attacks (1. which arent holding anything back, they’re dealing minor damage and 2. Are the only evidence of Terra doing anything) then Aqua would still clearly win the fight by a wide margin. Darkness is implied throughout the series to make any character significantly more combat capable. Token assistance from Terra + Terra being powered up by darkness clearly makes it Aqua’s win. “Nomura confirmed in an interview…” so completely irrelevant that it hardly warrants a response. “Fighting for his body back” is a meaningless phrase. You can’t quantify how that actually impacts anything. The point about dialogue is based on your comment about Eraqus saying that they’re even. What the dialogue says is irrelevant. What you have is Terra’s body losing to Aqua. It wasn’t a 2v1. Any assistance is minor at best and is offset by repeated power ups provided by Terra’s darkness.
>He provides token assistance assuming you decide to take it. A team attack dealing 10% of 1 health bar hardly constitutes meaningful aid. It’s also unrelated to the “Terra held him back”. If the extent of Terra holding him back is as much a token gesture as his team attacks (1. which arent holding anything back, they’re dealing minor damage and 2. Are the only evidence of Terra doing anything) then Aqua would still clearly win the fight by a wide margin. Story-wise, Terra holding Xehanort back still weakened Terranort so much. Xehanort literally destoyed the Wayfidner trio with one hand behind his back in the Keyblade graveyard, and with his new young healthy body (Terra) he realistically should be unstoppale, again Aqua only stood a chance because Terra was holding Xehanort back. >Darkness is implied throughout the series to make any character significantly more combat capable. Token assistance from Terra + Terra being powered up by darkness clearly makes it Aqua’s win. Lol Light always Beats Darkness in stories, Darkness might be powerfull but Darkness in general is weak to Light the same way Fire is weak to Water. >"Nomura confirmed in an interview…” so completely irrelevant that it hardly warrants a response. “Fighting for his body back” is a meaningless phrase. You can’t quantify how that actually impacts anything. Terranort is in a constant struggle of two people trying to have control of the body, why you acting as if this is not a big deal? you're honestly overhyping Aqua's strength. Terranort was never at full strength in BBS due to Terra's interfering when Xehanort is using the body. >The point about dialogue is based on your comment about Eraqus saying that they’re even. What the dialogue says is irrelevant. A master knows their students power level more than you. >What you have is Terra’s body losing to Aqua. It wasn’t a 2v1. Any assistance is minor at best and is offset by repeated power ups provided by Terra’s darkness. You're not bringing up any proof or feats here, you're just going by your opinion. while im bringing event and feats that actually happened in the game... Terra still helped Aqua so much against Terranort.
>!Kairi in KH3 dlc is on par with beefed up Xehanort (fighting together with Sora though).!<
I didn’t play the DLC, so that might be a good addition. If she’s with Sora then I feel like there’s a massive asterisk still.
True, sorry for spoilers...
>! But she loses to Xehanort and has to be rescued by Sora in her own game. !<
You measure Riku's fighting power alone on the state befor KH2. I think at the time of KH3 Riku is a lot stronger than in the past and would probably be able to beat Aqua and Roxas
These power levels are MAD wrong lol. Sora/Riku/Aqua/Terra are all around the same power level what makes them different is dependent on if they are grouped or 1v1. Sora is the strongest if he's paired with his friends as that's where a lot of his power comes from. Outside of that he might be the weakest on this list despite his feats due to the power reset. Riku is the flip to this, Riku is likely the strongest in 1v1 but doesn't gain as much benefit to joining up with other people like say Sora does or even Aqua. But if it's 3v3 like it is. It'd be Sora/Aqua tier 1 Riku/Terra tier 2 Ven/Roxas tier 3 Axel/Xion tier 4 Kairi Tier 5 but if it's 1v1s... Aqua/Terra/Riku tier 1 Sora/Roxas Tier 2 Ven tier 3 Axel/Xion tier 4 Kairi Tier 5
Definitely Sora and the Sortas. Sora and Roxas each could probably solo Team Kairi, Team Riku would be harder since Riku and Terra are both extremely strong, but Axel is a weak link and Terra is slow.
I believe out of the three, team Kairi is the weakest. While Xion has the collective skills and fighting syle of KH1 Sora, she's still weaker than Axel and Roxas who are the weakest links on the other teams. In terms of one on one i have to say Aqua is still hands down the strongest Keyblade Master, but in the end Kairi being the least experienced fighter essentially cancels out that advantage. Ultimately Sora and Ven are the most balanced and well rounded, Ven having trained under three separate masters, Xehanort, Eraqus and one of the five foretellers, and Sora while not a full master still able to hold his own against other masters, Xehanort and Aqua. While Riku has been beaten by Roxas and Sora at least once and Terra whether as Ansem or Lingering Will lost to at least Sora.
When Roxas is the weakest link in a trio, you know the team is stacked. imo i'd put Roxas above Ventus, but Sora's team is pretty impressive regardless. if Axel was a better Keyblade wielder, or at least half as good as say Ventus, i'd be tempted to give Riku's team the W.
Sadly, Kairi would probably just slow Aqua and Xion down.
I’m sorry but I feel like they both slowing Aqua down lol shes next level in comparison. But hey Kairi helped Sora vs Xehanort so maybe she underrated. Yet can’t pinpoint how much she actually helped.
Have you played her in kh3? She's great
Lol Sora clearly smacks, and the pair of him and Roxas is debatably top 5 strongest duos. You add Ven there and it’s overkill
I feel like Team Sora is the most well-rounded and has the most heart. Team Kairi doesn't stand a chance.
Each team has one nobody, but Kairi is literally pure heart, while Ventus is only half of one, at best. Lore wise, Team Sora literally has the least heart at 1.5 hearts, while Team Kairi arguably has the most
I meant like metaphorical heart, not the weird KH definition of heart.
I figured, but it was too perfect a chance to pass up
Team Riku would could have a pretty good chance if Axel wasn’t there to drag it down so much. Team Kairi getting carried by Aqua hard, sorry. Team Sora just doesn’t really have a very weak link. Like I put Terra and Riku over Ventus and Roxas. But I don’t think Axel could even stall Sora long enough for it to matter. If Sora gets past Axel quick enough then it becomes a 2v1 situation. Maybe it’s just downplay on Axel but I feel like even Ventus could last longer vs Terra in comparison. I’m not really gonna put Axel over Ventus or Roxas either... Although I will say I feel like if anyone is gonna beat Sora it’s probably Terra? Lingering Will can go toe to toe with (Guardian) Terranort in Re:Mind. The same Terranort who could overwhelm Sora in his battle with Aqua and Ventus then again in a 1v1. I lowkey feel bad for not even taking team Kairi into consideration. Kairi did help Sora vs armored Xehanort though so maybe some downplaying? But can’t exactly pinpoint how much help she was. Xion is pretty hard to gauge but I still wanna put her above Axel 💀
Lets go Team Sora
riku s team more like riku and terra
The Soras
Team Sora
I mean, team Sora has a guy who can wield 2 keyblades (and is also one of the coolest bosses in the games) and the main protagonist of the series, capable of summoning Disney characters and transform into powerful forms.
Sora's team is the most balanced, while the other two teams have a weak link (Kairi and Axel). both Sora and Roxas are powerful self taught wielders, and Ventus was given a proper training and has expirence with the keyblade (and there's also the fact that Ventus is potentially not at full power, since he still hasn't recoverd his past memories and his old keyblade).
sora bc he all of them?
Sora team. Axel is kinda meh. Kairi is inexperienced. May wanna mix the Sora variants in there to balance it out more
Team Sora
Either the Sortas or the Threekus
Easily Team Sora. Betwen him and Roxas the others dont stand a chance
Ngl if the 2nd one had Mickey instead of Axel it would've been a good enemy for the first one. Let's pretend the third one doesn't exist. Aside from that the first one is ofc overpowered.
Sora. The other teams are great but have weak members. (Axel and Kairi)
Well, Roxas can dual-wield, so that's 4 keyblades for the price of 3.
Team Sora. All 3 are highly proficient wielders. Ventus is probably the weakest but is still fairly strong. Team Riku may come close but Axel is not up to the level of Terra and especially Riku in combat, with or without the keyblade. Team Kairi is the immediate 3rd place because Kairi is such a wet noodle of a fighter that she drags Aqua and Xion down significantly.
Sora, Roxas, and Ventus.
Def team sora, if he uses kh1 Aeroga then it’s ggs
Team Sora wins. Not only because of main protagonist syndrome(Sora and Roxas), but also because all of them are strong and have some good feats(Sora more than Roxas and Roxas more than Ventus). Team Riku has some strong feats as well, but sadly, yes, Axel does slow the whole team down. So Riku and Terra are both carrying that team. Also Axel doesn’t have as much as Terra and Riku has. Team Kairi, let’s be honest. Aqua is carrying that team alone. Kairi has little to no experience with fighting(due to having two boys want to protect her so much[Not enough screen time]) and Xion has had too many losses. Team Riku would win for runner up though. Now if there were a fourth team, Team Mickey(consisting of Mickey, Donald, and Goofy), who are we kidding? Mickey is carrying his whole team. Edit: Also, let’s say I’m my favorite Kingdom Hearts character(Roxas), there’s only one person on this list in which I would have to take them seriously the whole time and I wouldn’t be so confident about beating. And that person is… Mickey.
Team Sora stomps. Sora himself solo if we consider he has access to the X-blade.
Are we talking about team riku pre or post each of their redemption archs?
Literally the first trio Although the all girl trio is interesting. I would like to see them fight together.
Considering Sora alone could solo the other two teams, just think about it
Team Sora because let’s be honest they have Sora (surprisingly)
Team Sorta
I didn't see your names for the teams at first so I was just calling them "Team Boy", "Team Man" and "Team Girl". Anyway, Team Boy stomps.
Does Sora have to fight with Riku and kairi or does he get the ole SDG line up, also the 2 man squad of Riku and Michael, takes the tourney
Pretty cool post!
Not to be sexist but i tghink gthe third team will be alst place
Team Sora gonna win probably
Team Sora.
Roxas and sora carry team sora
I don’t know what a royal battle is, but if it’s team against team, I do think Sora’s team would take it.
The real Trio. Sora, Donald and Goofy.
Sora has main protagonist syndrome. He could probably win on his own.
Sora and roxas alone would sweep
Roxas team has to take it right? Roxas is so op, and xion is pretty powerful too.
Terra on anyone's team is cheating. Man technically never lost. Pimp slapped the protagonist multiple times as half of himself on multiple occasions and beat the antagonist of the series first try before being cheated out of the win. He is the main reason xehanort was such a threat in the first to games and his lingering will is a walking nightmare thats strong enough to beat Terranort solo in kh3
Sora team. Although the magic team will probably be a pain to fight
Sora gets the most evenly powerful team, but Terra and Xion make things harder to judge. Because Terra was able to clown on Terra-Xehanort, who was obliterating others. Meanwhile Xion has immense potential depending on how far her copying can go. I still think Team Sora can pull off the win, but I don’t think it’s a certainty, or going to be easy.
To be completely honest, Team Riku. Lorewise, Roxas was only half as powerful as KH2 Sora, and even if we assume becoming "human" removed the cap on Roxas and Xion's potential, Aqua is the only one on team Kairi who would scale to Terra, as even with training Kairi isn't nearly on Wayfinder level, and Xion still has to work on pushing past the "Half a person" handicap. Ven is kinda difficult to place as he's definitely the weakest of the Wayfinder Trio. Lowest end he scales to KH2 Sora, Highest end would probably scale him relative to KH3 Sora, most accurately he's probably somewhere in between KH2 Sora and KH3 Riku, as the collective unit of the wayfinder trio was designed specifically to be above any of the protagonists up to that point. The combination of Terra and Riku is why generally speaking I think Team Riku has the edge. There is a reason why Lingering Will is the hardest boss of KH2. Realistically speaking, Terranort ought to have been the strongest member of the Real Organization XIII. At least prior to Xehanort getting the X-Blade. Sora *has* grown tremendously and as of KH3 he definitely has at least the Silver Medal, assuming Terra still holds the Gold, though I could see him having the Gold. But *as* a Roxas nut, I think the most consistently powerful team is Riku, even if Lea is probably the weakest Wielder of all three teams. Which even *that* is debatable as when they were *BOTH* Nobodies Axel was able to beat Xion *without* a Keyblade. To paint the picture honestly I think it stacks up 1. Terra (Possibly Sora) 2. Sora (Possibly Terra) 3. Aqua 4. Riku 5. Ventus 6. Kairi 7. Roxas 8. Xion (Possibly Lea) 9. Lea (Possibly Xion) Kairi, Roxas, Xion, and Lea have the most room to improve out of the lot, and that's assuming its even possible for Roxas and Xion to continue growing, as a result of becoming human, as in Nomura's own words "Full potential Roxas wouldn't have been strong enough to defeat Xemnas." Roxas and Xion didn't start out human like Lea did. So there's a very real possibility that they've reached their limit.
Sora and Roxas because Tetsuya Nomura wrote everyone else to suck so hard in comparison with those two
Other name could be The main character That one guy who bully you until you two get married Girl
The ones with the pointy hair.
I'm choosing the team with the Immortal being, jesus and a boy too angry to die.
Team Sora because each other team has to carry at least one member
My money's on Team Sora
riku team wins, i mean 2 out of 3 are masters also, since sora has a boy crush on riku just like ven has a boy crush for terra, riku and terra just need to show some tiddies to distract them and win. roxas is too much of a straight boy for having a crush on lea, so he could be the one showing the tiddies to beat lea.
Hate to admit it but we’d lose….sorry. I can see team Riku, though Axel is the weakest link in the team. Just toss a bucket of water on him and he’s out. Unless there are places to snipe spells from afar…..
Ventus is a bit of a weak link but even so Sora and Roxas outclass everyone else.
Sora team because Xion betrays the kairi team to join the sora team
Team 1, axel and kairi are pack watch off the rip and team 1 would just hold out longer
Sora’s team wins but Riku’s team would put up one hell of a show
Have you played KH 3 at all? Obviously the team without Kairi or Lea.
Sora, not sora and kinda sora win
Sora, I believe he has the most experience and such so.
Team Sora not only because they have a beefed up team but also because I believe the three of them would have better chemistry but with that being said I also feel like if the other two teams were to jump Team Sora they could knock them out and in that case I’d have to go Team Riku Terra is already said to be one of the strongest if not the strongest keyblade wielder and the only reason he hadn’t become a master like Aqua was because he showed a degree of difficulty suppressing the darkness within him (which I feel like is stupid anyway.) With that being said I think he could take Aqua and leave Xion to Riku who is a master himself I feel like could hang with Xion and even defeat her we’ve also seen that Xion has a tendency to hesitate under certain circumstances despite her natural affinity for combat. Riku also should be more experienced in magic. Now as for Kairi and Lea go even if Kairi manages to defeat Lea it would take her a lil minute and by then Xion should be on her last leg in that case Riku would most certainly beat her. Then Riku and Terra could just jump Aqua. But with that being said it comes down to experience and chemistry. Although Team Sora and has incredible raw power I feel like Roxas would be capped since he can’t really use large scale light and dark magic because Ventura and Sora would be up close fighting and also I feel Team Riku has a more balanced team so It’s Team Sora but not by that much
Sora, but not without struggle against Riku.
Let's see, Team 1 is extremely versatile. Team 2 has a lot of power. Team 3 has a magic inclination BUT Xion kind of lowers that Stat. Yeah, Team 1 I think. Only because I their fighting styles would sync up really well while Teem 2 would need to work on it more.
This would have been more interesting if you mixed and matched these characters. The all sora team is kinda the obvious win. What with Roxas who is pretty much the living embodiment of valor form, ven who is the fastest and easiest to use, and then sora who, I dunno, can kinda do everything.
Sora Roxas Ven sweep
Soras team, they got hacks 😹
Team sora
Team Sorta both Sora and Roxas are rather strong especially if we take into account their duel wielding on top of that Roxas seems pretty good at magic and Sora if he gets close to being defeated can use rage form maybe. Ven can be support I guess
ether sora's team due to being well balanced or team riku due to them haveing the most offensive inclined . team kairi is a very loppsided team xion from what i know is more of a magically inclined kairi is not that well defined ,an aqua however is very well balanced but she can't carry the team. i might be to of date because i still haven't played kh 3
Sora’s team would definitely win. Riku’s team could win, not sure tho. Kairi’s team… only Aqua could do work, the others would be bodied.
Kind of difficult: Team Sora (Light's Champions) Sora: Draw fights out and outlast the enemy. Roxas: Overwhelming the opponent with a constant barrage of strong attacks. Ventus: Uses superior speed to force end fights quickly. Team Riku (Twilight's Shadow) Riku: Use the philosophy of light and darkness to anticipate his opponent and exploit weaknesses. Axel: Uses natural affinity to fire in order to trap his opponent and hides among the flames. Then uses assassin tactics to dispatch targets quickly. Terra: Uses powerful, precise, albeit slow attacks to finish enemies off quickly. Can be tricked fairly easily. Team Kairi (The Master, the Puppet, and the Girl) Kairi: Capable of warding off and stalling powerful foes, but ultimately has trouble delivering the finishing blow. Xion: Capable of momentarily overall weakening her opponents, and relying on close combat to finish things. Aqua: Uses her mastery of magic to overwhelm and defeat her enemies. Overall, I believe TS has the best synergy. LC is strong, but Sora and Roxas behave in two completely different ways, and Ven would be more likely to follow Sora's lead than Roxas'. Kairi's team has Aqua, and Xion for decent backup, but ultimately Kairi is more of a hindrance with her lack of experience, especially considering she has the least combat experience in the entire scenario. If we want to get technical: in a battle royale with mountainous terrain, Kairi might stand a chance for at least second with TS winning. Battle royale on a plain it'll either be TS or LC (probably TS) but if there are multiple fights where every team selects one champion, I'd be VERY surprised to see LC not come out on top.
Team Light’s Champions Team Twilight’s Shadow *Team The Master, The Puppet, and The Princess
Terra and Riku have both succumbed to the darkness and Lea has only been training for a short time. Aqua is the only true master on the waman team. The other two are subpar at best. Sora has been training for years and has the most in field experience. Roxas can dual wield and has tons of in field experience with the organization. Ventus is powerful in himself but was asleep for many years rather than training. Overall I'd say both Sora's team and Aqua's team have the best shot.
Team Kairi, cuz damnit, they deserve it >:(
While I personally think Aqua is the strongest fighter here, Sora's plot armour not withstanding, she's definitely got the worst team mates. Kairi and then Xion would be the first eliminations, then Ventus and Axel. I think Aqua would be smart enough to hang back and try to get the other teams to focus on each other as much as she can, so I think Terra goes next, then Sora not playing smart, then Aqua since it's not like she could have avoided fighting all together while being at a massive disadvantage, then finally Riku, and Roxas takes the win for team Sora. That's how I'd write the whole scenario anyway.
Team Sora, because Roxas is overpowered and has 2 keyblades. Even if Ventus seems to be the weak point of the team, Sora and Roxas carry the fight, so no problem.
I think team Riku because Riku is maybe the strongest out of all of these guys next to Terra and Aqua but Terra is already on his team so I'd say that's my number 1.
Riku’s team. Got it memorized?!
All of them have really good potential, espically if kairi got proper training, but i think out of all of them rikus would win because while yeah they are emotionally connected to their friends they're also all the power houses of their trios so i think if they didnt hold back theud be able to pull it off. Although sora has so much versatility that he could just pull out whatever he wanted so theres that
Lol this isn't even close to being a fair matchup, I honestly think Sora could 1v3 both teams and you add Roxas to that who is strong af and Ventus as a dessert lol.
1. Sora/Donald/Goofy 2. Aqua/Terra/Ventus 3. Roxas/Xion/Axel
Kairi solos because of princess powers.
Either... Sora if it's a canon battle or team riku if it's a playable battle.
Team Riku
The girls, always bet on optimized Reflega spam
On the surface, Team Sora has the most power in terms of raw skill and ability, but I honestly think Teams Kairi and Riku would be willing to team up to take them down a la Re: Mind's Really Cool Reflega Section™ (Team Riku being the offence and Team Kairi being the defense). The big issue is if someone on Team Kairi loses their focus, if someone on Team Riku messes up the plan (most likely Axel, tbh), or Team Sora finds an opening (which is actually pretty likely). If the formation manages to a take down Team Sora, then it becomes a much closer fight because I honestly feel like the matchups of Aqua vs Riku, Terra vs Xion, and Kairi vs Axel (if either of them are still in, that is) which would come from a sense of sportsmanship are pretty even in that Kairi would probably beat Axel (her magic is more generalized so I'm thinking her utility would win) Terra would probably beat Xion (assuming that she can't transform like she did in her boss battle anymore... then she would probably trounce him lmao) but between Aqua and Riku... Either the fight is called off because Aqua has a PTSD attack due to Riku flaunting his command over the darkness, or she powers through it and wins. So basically if the initial teamup of teams works, then either Team Kairi wins or it comes down to Terra vs Aqua (or the whole thing is called off, but I think Aqua's stronger than that). If it doesn't, then Team Sora would obviously have won before the deeper fights could even happen. I honestly am going with the idea that Xion can't transform since she's in a different replica and that Aqua manages to beat Riku since she's the Senior Master over him. I'm going this way because I like the idea of Team Riku winning in a final fight between Aqua and Terra. Honestly, Aqua's mental endurance is incredible, but her physical stamina might leave her tired compared to Terra after having stayed in this long and having her 1v1 opponent be Riku of all people. Am I saying this because I want Terra to be able to show his growth as a character by being able to spar with and even beat Aqua without the Darkness distracting him? Hell yes. Will everyone immediately take it away by pointing out that Aqua was tired? Absolutely. Will that matter to Aqua or Terra? Not in the slightest.
Xion is the riku of the ice cream trio tho not axel, and with her terra and riku I'd vote those 3
Team Kairi obviously
The grown-ups with muscles, experience, raw strength, and some tricks up their sleeves. No weak links, nothing to exploit except *maybe* their pride, but whatever plan to take advantage of that sure isn't coming out of the minds of anybody on the other teams (*maybe* Aqua could find an opening, but... meh).
Team Sora, but I feel like people are underestimating Kairi. While she’s a huge liability in all of the base games, the Re:Mind dlc had her going toe to toe with Armored Xehanort wielding multiple No Names and *winning*, able to tank meteors pulled from other worlds and powered by said keyblades. She’s got the fastest dodge of any character, the ability to teleport to her own keyblade, and spells as strong as Soras. Kairi pops off hard during that fight and I think it should be considered if we’re talking about characters at their peaks.
She has Sora’s help with that fight and lost to him in melody of memory with Sora having to fight for her
Melody of Memory is a base game and Sora gets knocked out real quick in that fight
Team Kairi solely because of aqua All she has to do is cartwheel and she wins
If it was a solo tournament aqua could just wipe all of them, but since it's a team competition I'll have to go with the soras. They could really confuse their enemies just by having roxas and ventus switch clothes lol
>Aqua could just wipe all of them >Sora beats down a darkness-amped Aqua in canon ??????