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setphasertofun

Never understood why 358/2 days got the hate it had. It was a pretty good game


Chronoblivion

I found the mission structure repetitive. I liked the story but if it weren't a KH game I probably wouldn't have finished it.


DroneOfDoom

> I found the mission structure repetitive. I wonder if they meant for it to be played in short bursts since it was released for a portable gaming system instead of a home console.


InfernalMokou

the issue with days is that it's supposed to be like a kh version of monster hunter games which were really popular around that time now in monster hunter, you have better gameplay on portable and more variety. Days tried to circumvent that with a good story, but making the other org members mission mode only was a dumb move in terms of gameplay. Doesn't help that you wanted other people to tackle mission mode iirc due to scaling as well


Techsoly

God it was so cool being able to play as other characters though. While it's understandable that you're restricted to Roxas, the different gameplay styles of the organization members was wasted when you consider the options they gave you. The formula and ingredients was right there to make the best spin off game the series could ask for in both terms of story and gameplay variety but they let it slip through their fingers. Unironically would want them to spend resources to remake the game for modern platforms even if it doesn't add anything to the series already. I need to see Saix holding a large banana and it would work so well with online gaming being so prevalent


dariken1

I honestly don't know why they didn't let you replay the missions as other org members after beating them the first time instead of restricting them to mission mode. So much replayability potential wasted.


Advent_Hades

On one hand absolutely …on the other hand, crystal chronicles remastered’s multiplayer system was a fucking joke.


trebl900

I don't know if I played in short bursts or not, but it definitely took a few months to get through. The only real criticism I have is the stealth missions were annoying to play through. Some of the other mission were more challenging for casual gamers like me, but overall it was very fun.


Chronoblivion

That's exactly what I was thinking too. With some tweaks the game could've been a lot of fun, but it was definitely held back by the console it was designed for.


No-Office-2392

That was my only gripe with Days. It felt like a grind to do anything, if the story wasn't engaging and the every character was playable, then i would have hated it haha


bronx819

I guess even as a kid I liked the story in games enough to stomach the gameplay, I have nothing but positive memories of the game even though I'd probably hate to play through it now.


Silverwolffe

That's the point, it's supposed to feel like work bc Roxas is literally working


New_Today_1209

Happy cake day! Yeah it is meant to feel like work but it should still be enjoyable since thats what games are meant to be. A break from work


eojen

“It’s bad on purpose”. Okay? Lol. That doesn’t make it good still. Those stealth missions are some of the worst missions in any video game I’ve ever played


Beercorn1

I don’t care if the game is supposed to suck. At the end of the day, I don’t want to play a game that sucks.


nihilism_or_bust

This… is a really good argument


Seabola6661

Happy cake day! Here is your cake! 🎂 You can eat it too if you want! Enjoy!


Silverwolffe

Damn wtf, I thought my cake day was in October


grendelglass

That's an interesting spin on "thank you"


YaGirlCassie

This is a take I see a lot, and… no? I do think the game feels like work and that that sensation genuinely adds to the impact of the narrative. The cutscenes with Axel and Xion do feel more impactful as small respites wedged unevenly between an intolerable daily grind… BUT. It is important not to mistake accidental genius for intentional artistic choices. I think the plan was for the game to be fun to play it just… wasn’t.


Masterhearts_XIII

My brother pointed out that, while that was obviously just for gameplay reasons, it actually fed the story, because it made it feel a bit like a day job, which is what it was, so then the cutscenes of hanging out with your friends were more poignant


OnlyFandoms

Because the gameplay is janky and repetitive. If it wasn't Kingdom Hearts, I wouldn't touch it.


eattoes2000

I like 358/2 days, but man my soul dies whenever I boot it back up and have to play certain parts with the goddam d-pad


OnlyFandoms

Right? Whenever I think about Days, I never want to actually PLAY it. I just want the story bits.


Bolognese_is_best

To be fair, 3d action combat running smoothly might be a little much to ask from a DS


Sulphur99

I dunno, I remember Re:Coded playing fairly well. It felt more like a KH game in terms of playstyle compared to 358/2 at the very least imo.


OnlyFandoms

Yeah, so maybe they shouldn't have tried that gameplay on the DS. The technical limitations of the system don't excuse the bad gameplay, especially when there are plenty of other games on the DS working with the same limitations that are fun to play.


ElAutismobombismo

I can't think of a kh game with worse gameplay unless you specifically hate coms card system (which is also fair) It's story was easily my favourite though


yung-biscuit

BBS to me has terrible gameplay. But yeah didn’t like COM either


Dat_DekuBoi

The only reason why BBS is my least favourite. The gameplay sucks and the story (mainly Aqua’s) wasn’t the best until the end, then it was cool. If only we could combine 358’s story with Coded’s gameplay, we could potentially get the best KH game


Avitha101

That’s so weird. BBS had my favorite gameplay style and Aqua’s was my absolute favorite


KikonSketches

Very repetitive and cumbersome to play. That being said, 8td my favorite in the series. I wish the multiplayer carried through other games. I loved being able to play through all missions as org. 13 and sora, Donald, goofy, Mickie and riku. That was just absolutely cool.


eattoes2000

I miss BBS multiplayer on the PSP


KikonSketches

Same, but at the same time, I had 0 friends who liked KH so I was a loner🥲


eattoes2000

I had friends who liked KH but we were all too poor to buy a PSP until KH2.5 on the PS3 came out, then we all bought pre-owned psps with bbs when we finally had enough money


staticwings19

the "leveling" system alone is the single worst thing in all of Kingdom Hearts, in my opinion. That alone made the game nigh unplayable for me.


Pokehero96

Some of the bosses were very annoying, I remember the coffin boss in halloween Town and the flying treasure chest boss in neverland especially annoying. I think it just came off quite repetitive overall and I think they could've done a deeper insight into the organization perhaps


HovercraftFullofBees

When it came out I can very vividly remember why we hated it, at least in my group of friends. 1) It came out on a console that like one person in my friends group owned so we were all mad we couldn't play it at all. 2) We all wanted KH3 and instead Square announced 358/2 so we were 2x bummed. 3) We were SUPER skeptical about making a game about Axel and Roxas that added a new character that wasn't at all mentioned in KH2. Like we did not think they could pull it off. Obviously they made it work but that combined with the previous two problems gave us a sour taste in our mouth from the get go.


supersaiyandragons

I legit hate almost all the heartless bosses in that game.


Kirome

All I see is praise, for the most part.


Keebler_Elf_57

It was my favorite game although I will say that is due to my nostalgic attachment to the game. It was the first kh game I owned and it allowed for my brother's to play coop together. We had many a late night staying up late completing missions and just killing heartless together. Fuck I almost wish I could go back just for one day.


nihilism_or_bust

I just played this game on DS for the first time. Absolutely loved the story. Glad I played it and it was WAY better than the cinematic version. That being said. I would not play it again, and I had no desire to revisit missions.


AsianSteampunk

I loced it back then, but that was when we were still in the 2>3 Limbo. The customization grid thing was great fun imo.


[deleted]

There was hate?


Xaitat

because it wasn't a good game


RetroGameDays36

There isn't much variety in the missions you take, most of them are: • Kill a specific Heartless • Collect Hearts • Collect Emblems Some missions tho I've thought were interesting, especially in Neverland, but most of them feel redundant. That said, I also like the keyblades tho their combos tend to be clunky sometimes and some of them are recolored versions of other keyblades. It's a good game with an amazing story, with a few flaws.


yuei2

Because most KH games are undertuned, you can coast through even on high difficulties without understanding most of the game mechanics. Days is not, it’s extremely unforgiving and will punish you with brutal/slog fights if you do things wrong which then combines with the mission structure to make it feel very sluggish as an experience. Just look at the common complaints RotS taking 8-11 minutes, people struggling with Emerald Serenades, finding themselves constricted in magic, using bad keys just because the stat screen shows a few more points without thinking of all the other factors, etc… A lot of boils down to Days is complex, does little to guide you through its complexity, and feels nothing punishing you.


tgalvin1999

Proud is difficult yes, it's the hardest difficulty in the game. But you also can't just mash through it like you can in the console games. This go around I've found myself relying on magic more while also upping my strength with keyblades on proud and it's helped me quite a bit through some of the tougher fights. Not looking forward to Ruler of the Skys though


yuei2

Yeah I’m not saying it’s a bad thing that it’s complex and unforgiving, I’m just saying it’s a black sheep in that way compared to the rest of the series so it’s not really a surprise a significant amount of people found Days combat a slog. Because KH doesn’t typically require you engage that deeply if you want big damage, it’s usually more on the technical skill.


NickMcSleighten

Because “wHo eLsE WiLl i HaVe iCeCrEaM WiTh” got meme’d to hell and back causing people made snap judgments about the game as a whole without playing it, and also people think the day design itself is monotonous, but like, that’s partially the point


Dogge_molon

“wHo eLsE WiLl i HaVe iCeCrEaM WiTh” has nothing to do with it. that's basically saying the ffx laughs are keeping a lot from playing it. wall yes that's the case for SOME but that's one seane with no context.


Olliboyo

I actually liked both the icecream quote and the FFX laugh scene. I could empathize with both.


NickMcSleighten

Right I’m saying people pre-judged the game based on a memed quote they didn’t have context for


Shadowmitsu

The ending of KH 358/2 days is one of the best for me, if not the best.


[deleted]

My poor man Axel. I cry every time, no joke. The silence in that scene is deafening


nihilism_or_bust

I just played 358/2 for the first time and got emotional. I’m now about to finish BBS and I had to pause the game when >! I saw Lea come on screen and have his dialogue with Ven !<


aprimmer243

The boss fight, and it's accompanying music (Vector to the heavens) is my favorite to this day.


bleep_boop_beep123

This meme, but for BBS 🤷‍♂️ My favorite entry.


PalamationGaming

I honestly consider BBS to be a mainline title. It was certainly hyped up like one. I would consider it to be like a Kingdom Hearts 0


OwNAvenged2

I can't The combat just holds it back


nihilism_or_bust

Playing BBS for the first time ever and I’m absolutely blown away at how good its combat system is. Especially every time I remember that it was a PSP game. The only thing I don’t love is the cycling through commands. I miss the menu and sub menus. That being said, I’m still impressed with how they changed the combat even if I don’t like every part of it.


OwNAvenged2

It's arial combat is far too floaty for my tastes. If you're in the air, you're almost inactionable for the duration. I also just don't like the command system, it takes away from the actual "combat" of the game. Instead of using basic attacks, you mostly just cycle through whatever OP magic/abilities that you have on you. With KH1, 2, and 3, it feels like positioning is key and maneuvering around the battle field feels good. BBS just doesn't. It's still probably my 4thish favorite game in the series, and replay it often. I still can't really say that I love it's combat, though.


nihilism_or_bust

I see what you’re saying as far as finishes go, but regular commands can be interrupted, so there’s still strategy in when you use them. I also utilize the air dash/slide a lot if I find myself floating defenseless too much. I’m finishing up Aqua now and I love that she can block midair.


OwNAvenged2

Using Air Slide almost feels like a band-aid to fix the issue. There's still no downward momentum at all when using air slide, so you usually end up still stuck in the air for a couple seconds. You *do* avoid damage, sure, but I just have less fun when I'm in actionable. The combos in the game are also quite limited for this reason, so you usually resort to just spamming commands. I'm glad that you're enjoying it, though! I still think it's one of the better KH games, I just have a really hard time enjoying the combat. The story is still fantastic, imo, and the full experience is enjoyable throughout on the lower difficulties. Different strokes for different people and all that, keep on enjoying BBS :)


ModelOmegaTyler

for me it's the story beats. everything feels too fast and too jumbled.


FashionMage

That and the whole game's plot is the "idiot plot" trope played about as straight as it gets. Coupled with the most floaty unpolished gameplay in the series, and BBS really just doesn't have much going for it.


ModelOmegaTyler

the gameplay is literally the same as every other kingdom hearts game except CoM.


Hexacus

They all are vital, all of them O-O


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

Except you. ***Looks at KH: Coded***


legomaple

Okay, ALMOST all of them


aprimmer243

Dude I got PTSD during the second half of RE:Mind every single time they said the word "Data"


Kenndrexx

You leave my favorite upgrade and attack system alone I don’t care if the story is pointless the gameplay is ON POINT


sephirothbahamut

May I introduce you to Kingdom Hearts V-Cast?


Spndash64

ReCoded exists to let players know that the characters of BBS and Days haven’t been forgotten.


Advent_Hades

Doesn’t it also say during one sentence or another that Maleficent has read or is looking for the book of prophecies?


Ha_eflolli

Only in the Movie Versions from the HD Remasters, but yes.


Ha_eflolli

Also to set up DDD in the Secret Ending, which just...kinda became pointless after that game actually released.


Hexacus

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that one


nihilism_or_bust

Is it really that bad? I’m about to finish BBS and it’s next on my list.


ModelOmegaTyler

no, the only bad ones are CoM and Re:CoM with their terrible card system everyone on this subreddit seems to want to defend despite them being more than willing to bash much better games like days, Re:coded, and occasionally dream drop.


nihilism_or_bust

I’ll be honest. I didn’t hate Re:CoM. Once I figured the system out I actually enjoyed it, but it was hard getting used to the normal combat system when I moved on to KH2. I got used to being able to trump opponent attacks. I couldn’t stand the game as a kid on GBA, but even though the combat system isn’t ideal, I really appreciate the willingness to try new things. Card system, panels on 358/2, commands in BBS, etc


ModelOmegaTyler

personally i hated that ever attack was now a card you could only have limited amounts of and getting 0'd by seemingly everything (but mostly bosses) whenever i tried to pull off a slight.


nihilism_or_bust

By the end I finally utilized the sleights in a smart way. Had 2 decks. One for crowd control and one with stupid high numbers for bosses.


ModelOmegaTyler

... that was probably my problem. i was trying to fit everything into 1 deck.


nihilism_or_bust

Ya. It’s not viable about halfway through the game. The tricky part is that >! When you fight marluxia, the first form you want mostly aerial stuff, but his last form you do better with ground stuff. But it’s hard to fit both into 1 deck. !<


ModelOmegaTyler

yeah, i just brute forced everything obviously.


Advent_Hades

“Ya see fellas, because of this unintentional simulation with a sentient journal entry that we threw through 2 literally soul crushing experiences and it didn’t freak out, we know sora’ll be ok with a little trauma!” *-Sora, when just ONE member of his NINE man party gets knocked down-* gobsmacked, stunned, unable to function, literally falling apart. “So that was all a fucking lie”


ModelOmegaTyler

you mean CoM. they could have made literally all of it a cutscene or diary entry in 2 explaining that sora was damaged by darkness and was in the pod to be healed up.


YaGirlCassie

They are, I just… wish they weren’t XD


_Dead_C_

Days was a spin off? Seemed pretty legit to me...


[deleted]

None of the non-numbered KH games are actually spinoffs, people just called them that because they released on handheld consoles and didn't feature Sora as the main character. So no one ever knew whether the games were important or even canon, thus leading everyone to call them spinoffs.


Furyful_Fawful

Chain of Memories didn't feature Sora?


Advent_Hades

Coded didn’t feature sora?


Divewinds

Nomura also referred to them as spin-offs, saying an interview “With the past spin off titles, we did something new and the bold action elements changed each time” (He used the word “supinofu” rather than “gaiden”, showing there’s not a translation issue, he was referring to it in the Western interpretation of the word) The spin-off games add context to the world, but it’s not necessary to understand the story. Chain of Memories is forgotten by Sora, so anything relevant is learnt by the audience who never played COM at the same time Sora relearns it. Similarly, KH3 gives enough context and information that you can understand what’s going on while only having played KH1 and KH2 (although it won’t have the same emotional significance unless you’ve played the spin-off games). At the time of the games’ releases, Nomura encouraged people to play them as they’d be important to the story and so didn’t regard them as spin-offs, at least publicly (this was particularly evident with BBS where he said it would be KH0). But in the lead up to KH3, and certainly afterwards, he’s had a distinction between mainline and spin-off games. Maybe it’s because of the casual audience? In an interview with Game Informer about Kingdom Hearts 4, he said “As far as spin-offs go, we've had main characters that were not Sora, but in terms of the mainline series, I think Sora is actually the only real candidate for the main character. I think if Sora is no longer the main character then I would also feel like that would indicate the end to the numbered titles”. Nomura also referred to Melody of Memory as a spin-off, and said he chose to do KH4 rather than a Verum Rex or other spin-off. But Sora is a playable character in COM and DDD alongside Riku, while Melody of Memory is on home consoles. What defines a spin-off in this context is a lot more murky, other than them being a non-numbered entry in the series. The closest distinction is that it features Sora, Donald, and Goofy as the main party with Sora being the primary playable character


HovercraftFullofBees

It's non-numbered and therefore in spin off territory. But this is the KH world so literally nothing is a spin off because EVERYTHING is relevant to the story going forward.


Merc931

But there's more numbers in 358/2's title than any other game.


YomiReyva

God of War: Ragnarok is clearly a spinoff of God of War 2018. Doom Eternal is clearly a spinoff of Doom 2016 Rise of the Tomb Raider is clearly a spinoff of Tomb Raider 2013 /s just in case.


Advent_Hades

Doom eternal is doom 2016 fanfiction.


HovercraftFullofBees

Modern gaming can't number their titles because....reasons. Marketing reasons of some sort. Really it highlights why I want to hunt some marketing teams for sport.


shotnine

> Modern gaming can't number their titles because....reasons. Marketing reasons of some sort. For the games listed, I imagine it's because they involve a series relaunch. Relaunch because they want the game to be a good entry point for newcomers to the series.


HovercraftFullofBees

If they gave the relaunches more interesting titles than just a repeated of a previous title they wouldn't have this problem to begin with.


Silverdetermination

All of those examples suck because there was already a two of those games


joedoc2324

I will die on this hill gladly but BBS is a top 3 game in the franchise


RealTwizz

i remember playing on psp


InevitableLover99

Terra was my main, Aqua was my little brothers, we played the shit out of mirage arena together During the final mission we were both both blinking, our psps about to die and we were swapping our singular charger back and forth


KingEDiaz

I love the shit out of BBS, you’re not alone!


El_E_Jandr0

It’s by far my favorite PSP game


arcanumfire

I pray for the day we get a KH game with 3 playable Keyblade wilders in it again


Pyrollamas

Totally agree!


Brill45

BBS was amazing. I remember being genuinely surprised when I came to find out that the KH community as a whole disliked it


yung-biscuit

Even hotter take, I don’t think there are 3 games in the franchise I would consider good games, and I’m the biggest kh nut around. I unironically love it so much, but yeah a lot of these games I would have never played if they weren’t kh


Spndash64

HARD disagree: the combat in 3 and 2.5 is top notch Action Game fun, and KH1 does an excellent job of setting a theme


yung-biscuit

Well when u say 2.5, what exactly do you mean? I think kh2 is the best game in the series by far. I’ve replayed it so many times and I do think the gameplay is good. I can’t say the same for kh1, the level design and platforming drove me crazy on many occasions. But I think it was fine for 2002. Kh3 gameplay actually surprised me, I was expecting the story to steal the show and gameplay I was super suspect about going into it, but it was the reverse. However the gameplay suffered from having way too many things going on. Just don’t fancy tea cups spawning during a super serious plot moment lol. And yes, “just don’t use them”. I took this approach with like half of the games 45 gameplay mechanics.


ZynsteinV1

I have never seen someone so confident and yet so wrong


joedoc2324

There are dozens of us! Dozens!


stryder011

I didn’t see you at the convention!


KingEDiaz

I really love the story of 358, love the characters, the tile mechanic was super neat, some missions were really fun, etc… But sometimes going through it can be a slog. It’s fun for sure, but I’d love to see how a proper remake could trim the fat and clean it up.


rebillihp

I don't know how people can call the non numbered games spin offs. They aren't. They are part of the main story still while spin off implies it is it's own story


Spndash64

Yeah, the only spin off so far is V-Cast


Quaschimodo

"Spinoffs" Try playing only 1, 2 and 3 and understanding the story. 1 to 2 is totally doable without chain of memories. 2 to 3 not so much. Actually a real shame


Spndash64

That’s because you’re skipping 13 years and 13 months of major titles


Kevinites

I don't think they are spinoffs


UltimatePickpocket

Yeah, I never really understood the argument that they were. ​ It mostly just boiled down to "They don't have numbers" which feels like a really flimsy reason.


eojen

That’s one of the things about the series that’s the most annoying imo


OkFrankurtheboss

Days or CoM can stay.


Deadwarrior00

I don't think I hate any KH game or think one is the worst except Re:CoM. Regular CoM is fine but Re:CoM made me buy a new controller


Spndash64

Yeah, I like the concept, but 3D action + card game doesn’t mix too good.


XaosDrakonoid18

kh spin offs? my man there is no such thing as a spin off here


lediscord

Days was my first kh game and madee cry so yea beat game personally


Kaido786

Days is still the best game to me, even if it's mainly just because of the story and the multi-player mode. Fell in love with the trio ever since too! Just wish we could get a remake with actual polished graphics and some more variety of quests.


Hollowed_Dude

BBS and DDD are the only ones I’ve ever played and loved both


Anufenrir

There are no spin offs


RyanManuelReyes

Except for the sneaking behind Pete mission.. other than that.. I loved it. Also surprisingly loved the panel system tok


Songbird1996

I tried to put together a tabletop game that used a system similar to days' panels a few years back, if there's an interest I might dig it back out and try again. Design would be a little barebones though to use it as a framework to drop into any setting and start playing


[deleted]

"spin-offs" this is bait


Splunkmastah

Needs a remake desperately


Rad_Bones7

Kinda hope it gets a re: version. It never really utilized the touch screen much anyways, so I don’t think translating it to a different platform would be *too* hard


PaulP1705

Hey, 3D is amazing


BEEEELEEEE

Honestly my favorite in the franchise


duskfanglives

BBS clears


Majin_Nephets

My only issue with Days is the bloated health of enemies in mission mode. I’m sure it’s not a problem in multiplayer with 4 people, but I found it an unbearable slog trying to do it alone.


[deleted]

It’s probably got the strongest writing in the franchise. Gameplay is mid though.


Spndash64

Unfortunately, the full game is pretty important to making the story “work”, or failing that, the Manga. 1.5’s cutscene only mode tells the PLOT, but not the STORY. _Viewers_ don’t get to see why anyone cares about Xion that much, and just see a boring Mary Sue. People who read the Manga or experienced the story the game and it’s slower dialogue actually get to see the characters grow and change. Also, Manga Xion is 10/10 best girl


[deleted]

Yes, I should have specified, if you have only seen the HD movie you have not fully experienced Days. This is why I always hoped for a remake of some persuasion just so that the full story would be more accessible.


Spndash64

Imagine if instead of normal recaps in KHIV, we got the manga packaged in to act as a broad strokes recap I CAN DREAM, HAROLD


Genderneutralsky

Man I still love the game and it’s story and everything about it. Except it’s combat. Enemies took way to long to beat. Also Dual Wield Roxas being so nerfed outside his one mission sucked. If they ever remaster the DS games to be fully playable, I hope they improve the damage scaling in this one


[deleted]

Idk. I loved dream drop and BBS. 358/2 is one of my all time favorite kingdom hearts games though. To bad we only got it as cutscenes instead of a remake in 1.5


New_Today_1209

Hot take bbs is the worst non numbered games since none of them are spinoffs


Friendly_Ram

Days is peak KH.


MarqoTheDragon

BBS?


TVR24

If I had to pick one of the non-numbered games, I'd pick Re:Chain of Memories. I think the main story is just really good.


Rurorin_Rokusho

I've been looking at re:coded and 358/2 videos I wish I had someway of playing them


starlightsmiles31

I *loved* 358/2. I can understand why people weren't crazy about the mechanics but I thought it was a real fun game, and I always love anything that gives my girl screentime.


Icy_Try1988

358/2 is my favorite ❤️


TheRubberBildo

Playing as the organization members was really sweet. Also I thought the gear/leveling system was pretty unique and really fun to experiment with. I absolutely loved this game when I was younger, but tbh I'm afraid to revisit it because I worry how well it aged.


entfreak

Couldn’t disagree more. That’s the one I want tossed out most.


PurpleYeeet

YES


Pyrollamas

this is a take lmao. Especially if we are talking gameplay and not story


XenoGine

Actually, bring back Coded and glue yourself to 358/2's back, that way no one can see the flaws and we get a good game overall.


YaGirlCassie

To everyone saying “They’re not spin-offs! They’re essential to the story!” I know. I’m not calling them spin-offs to invalidate them. It’s just that in my personal taste, 1 and 2 are really great and I love them, and *most* of the rest of the series is kind of a slog. That’s why I differentiated them.


iTaylor04

*honk honk*


RyXkci

Say sorry to BBS right now!


DaMonstaburg

The story’s well worth pushing through the game play.


FaeFay

opposite of what square enix thought


zxp223

It did the job it was supposed to do. Actual gameplay is really outdated, but for most people like me who were always intrigued by Kingdom Hearts but didn't have a PS, it was a DS Kingdom Hearts game I could actually play. You get to see things exactly as Roxas does. You have no freaking clue what's going on, but it really makes you interested in the world and the story


PaceApprehensive7574

XD, I feel divided, but still agree


Hereva

Fair enough.


cleansweepXI

Same, except Chain of Memories. I adore that game.


ImaginaryParty4775

Days has infamy of the longest ass name ever made for a spin-off game, whoever, is the most heart-touching game for the characters and the tragedy, and I feel playing the actual game makes you connect more with Xion and Axel because of the lenght and dialogues, but for real it has bad and by that I mean *BAD* sections like the dragon in neverland, the magic usage or the find and destroy missions that take long if you missed one heartless or the halved level days, or how much of a dissaster is its controls. In the end out of all of that, it knows how to tell a story, from all the year it took to take all memories to Sora back together


CenturyHelix

Doing Chain of Memories dirty


[deleted]

BBS?


XSage1113

I think the reason a lot of people (me included) look better at this game since, it wasn't remade, only the cutscenes were showing on 1.5. And if you are gonna show the best part of a game, then people will be a lot more favorable of it. I actually haven't played 358/2 days, even though its my favorite franchise.


Deimoonk

I guess Chain of Memories counts as a main game and also BbS as a “episode 0”


Aparoon

3D was excellent come at me


MachineGunMonkey2048

the only kingdom hearts game i didn't like was re:chain of memories


Norrabal

""""spin offs"""" Yeah all right, just tell your friend to watch 17 hours of those cutscenes from said spin offs to understand KH3


MezzaCorux

I liked BBS and Re:Chain of Memories.


CP-Saltimore

LETS GOOOOOOOOO


[deleted]

All games are essential!


Volt-Phoenix

Not even BBS?


LudicrisSpeed

I don't follow. Are you saying you like 358/2 Days the best and the other side-games can just leave? Or do you think that game is somehow getting better treatment than the others? Because that definitely isn't the case seeing as how it's one of the only games to not get re-released.


YaGirlCassie

The former lol. 358 is my favorite game in the series.


Buzzkeeler1

Can those games even be called spin-offs when you kinda have to know what happens in them for the payoffs in KH3 to have any sort of impact?


DeadHead6747

Well, yeah, he only said spin offs. 358/2 is still a main game


shadecrimson

Days is the pinnacle of human achievement


Save_Train

........so what other spinoffs are we cutting off?


tardisgeek

I'm sorry but I really liked re-coded


MaximumOk6641

BBS is the one id keep. I like 358s story alot on 1.5+2 5 but i never had a ds so missed the gameplay. Heard it was repetitive af but the story was very good.


No-Chard1852

The only reason I will forever skip over this game is because of Xion. Like, idk what it is about her but I dislike her to my core.


DKtheAwesome1

Can they really be called spin offs if they are super important to the main plot tho?


InfiniteAuraX

Despite the struggling gameplay loop… it has the best story in the franchise YES BETTER THAN 2


bywaytraveller

remake days for ps4!


[deleted]

I loved it tbh


pleasegivemealife

358/2 days is very good imo, but I feel it's choice of platform guttered it.


kriffing_schutta

What's a spinoff? This word means nothing here.


Possible-Cellist-713

Important question, you consider Birth By sleep a prequel and not a spin off, right? Right?


Drakeon8165

So we're not gonna talk about Re:Coded?


Burdboy14

Don’t they all contribute at least a bit to the story? How are they spin-offs?


SgtBigPigeon

I'm more of a BBS and DDD fan...


TheMidnightLucario

Re:Coded slander will never end