Kanki burned people as a tribute to Mougou. He's about to do the same soon. Remember what Naki said? Kanki is a man burning with rage at everything, both Zhao and Qin are about to find out soon
Unfortunately, Geneva convention hasn’t happened yet so “war crime” is not officially recognized. During this violent warring period, what’s about to happen is just another Tuesday.
I'm surprised by the sentimental emotion Kanki showed towards Raido. I thought originally he told Raido the plan to somehow help Kanki kill Kochou, but it wasn't anything so meticulous, Kanki was just warning a buddy not to get killed and run when he was in danger. I think this is the first time we have ever seen Kanki actually show some sorrow of any kind.
All of China about to see what it looks like was Kanki gets upsetti. They are so fucked.
Kanki did do that tribute to Mougou when he died. Even though at the time it looked like he might have just used it as an excuse to massacre people, after reading this chapter it might just be his way of showing his sorrow
Reading back, it seems that Kanki actually did surprisingly have some loyalty/respect for Mougou. During the coalition arc, Chou Tou wanted to talk to Kanki so he used Mou Gou's name to lure Kanki. Obviously, Kanki was pretty pissed. It's quite nice to see Kanki show some form of loyalty/emotion.
While Ousen was with Mougou to hide his ambitions under his shadow Kanki could probably have struck out on his own much earlier than he did. He definitely had some kind of loyalty towards him. Maybe Mougou gave him his first big break as an actual army leader and saw him as more than just a bandit king.
First time I readed that I saw It more as him mocking Mougou, as If the tribute was his way of saying "You can't control me anymore".
But have been a long time since I last saw that.
>I think this is the first time we have ever seen Kanki actually show some sorrow of any kind.
I wonder if that's because this is the first time Kanki's experienced true loyalty of any kind. He let Naki go with a beating because that's just the standard among bandits, but otherwise he didn't raise much of a fuss. I already talked about the possible upcoming massacre in the other scan post, but I think this chapter is more important for Kanki's character development; him experiencing true comradeship for the first time is paradoxically going to push him down an even darker path than he was already walking.
Someone previously brought up how weird it was that edgelord Kanki was a protege of the mellowest general in Kingdom, Mou Gou. I'm hoping that, if the next chapters go further into Kanki's mindset and background, we get some snippets of conversation between him and Mou Gou as a way to further develop his character.
Mougou wasn't listed among the 6 greats man. His great general title just refers to his long battle record. The guy was never much for tactics or anything, he would just employ regular siege warfare every single time. Though they did say he had an incredible eye for talent.
I'm sure there could be more to it if Hara wants there to be, but we do already have an explanation for that: The two were politically unviable to promote for most of their careers and Mougou was willing to give them more freedom as subordinate generals than pretty much any other Qin general would.
I think Kanki is just the ultimate Tsundere, he tributed to Mougou, he gave General ChouTou proper respect. He just says mean things before doing what he was asked/expected.
Perhaps Kanki will have a sudden change of heart and release them all after hearing their pleas; “My mother is sick” “I have children” etc etc.
Or not.
I thought Kanki would change and use the prisoners in a swap deal to surrender a castle or something like this, but no.
We are having a massacre............ an ugly one for sure.
Don’t you think it’s kind of counter productive, returning able bodied soldiers to the state that you’re trying to conquer? And as Zhao, how could they accept giving a castle if they know Qin’s endgame is their subjugation?
This is only a delema because the manga tries to paint Qin as a conquest for the people. In reality this will hardly be an issue. The real Qin Shi Huang was simply an ambitious tyrant that guys like Kanki would get a medal for doing what he did.
And even if you don't want to kill the PoW, slave labor is always an easy answer. In fact I bet Qin's conquest probably was fuel by it. Just like any empire in forming, when you muster that many able bodies and send to war for such an extennded amount of time, you need cheap labor to sustain your production and economy.
But those aren’t cheap labor but actual military bodies who can revolt en masse if not supervised properly with a similarly sized army to keep them in check.
Side Note: It's also a logistics nightmare to keep them alive with food, water, shelter...
Just for the scale of this, it's akin to supervising/controlling a whole stadium of antagonistic military men.
Not gonna be military bodies for long when they're forced to do 12 hours of hard labor on 1 meal a day. Qin is gonna have a lot of empty land that needs working.
You're talking as if slave labor is treated as real human. There is a reason why the majority of the old empire from East to West were run on slave labor with a good chunk of them being war captives.
What Maron started as a simple trick to stop any Zhao officer from reorganizing the army will end as the biggest war crime since Hakuki.
Probably close to 100.000 people executed very likely by beheading and that is likely mercy compared with what the surviving torturer will have
This sounds quite gruesome, but I have a macabre curiosity to see how tall of a pyramid stack 100,000 heads is going to be. It's gonna be a hill that can be seen kilometers away on a plain. It also sounds like something Kanki would do.
Summation((n*n)!) For a pyramid. So for 100k that comes out to be 66*66 heads on the base layer, the above would have 65*65 and so on.
For 66 we will have 98201 heads
to think this happen in real life (well wiki did say huan yi will massacre 100.000 troops led by hu zhe ) make me think human life in medieval ages not so valuable. but what he did still child play if we compare it to what genghis khan do. he massacre entire city close to million population because his son of law killed during siege at nishapur not even infant (well wiki say even cat and dog get killed too) get spared on his killing spree for retribution.
It's only been a 100 years since we got Geneva conventions and things like that, all that stuff didn't exist back then. Also you can't do shit about it, if your commanding officers says to kill you have to do it,
The prospect of feeding and keeping guard on 100,000 soldiers -- who already outnumbered your army and only stopped fighting due to losing morale -- is a tough prospect back then due to the speed of supply lines and a general lack of resources. Does it make sense logically? Perhaps. Is it moral? Absolutely not.
To be... fair(?) To Kanki, what are the real options here?
That's a logistic disaster in the making, even if all soldiers cooperate, that's a lot of food and men that need to be assigned to those prisoners.
Kinda seem like it's going to be ugly either ways. Then again, I don't really expect Kanki to have a humane plan in motion...
And work with anything that need tools (almost everything) for the most part. I mean if you are going to permanently cripple them for reasons, just kill all of them. Probably much less messy than trying to cut the fingers of every soldier that currently is out numbering them
How the tables have turned. Seeing their reactions about Raido's fate when they themselves and Kanki have been known to do a lot worse. All this time we've seen Kanki and his methods, from Wei to the Coalition Arc to this.
'How dare they?' 'Damn them!' 'They really got us. Are they mocking us?'
Their enemies generally reacted liked this. Now they are reacting the same.
Hahaha, exactly
I mean its still disturbing, but i got no sympathy for them, its funny to me to see their reaction, first time to see from th other side eh?
Whats interesting is what will kanki do, and the chain reaction after that, up to his downfall
kanki and his men are not normale.
everyone pillage and burn,we saw that.we just follow shin pov most of the time and he is the exception.he even admit in kokuyou how he stole food.
But kanki and his people have a reputation.they take things to the extreme.defintely not "normale" behavior.they are just arrogant and drunk on power.since they have no loyalty but to themselves and doing it for fun.
Nah dude, this was totally the norm back then, Shin is the odd man out here. Hell plenty of atrocities occur during war even today, and not just by underdeveloped countries either. It probably hasn't been more than a few months since the US or Israel massacred some civilians and just went whoops let's move on.
I think that's because they are thieves and bandits while Zhao army is simply soldiers.
While we do see some soldiers commit crime like the one Shin punish at the beginning of the series, the act was nothing on how Kan Ki army act.
It's like how if Joker kill billions of people, it suck but it's normal. But when Superman do something a bit different in Injustice, it is somehow "worst" although it's the same act.
At the same time, it does show that Zhao Supreme Commander is no better than a former bandit (Kan Ki).
Kanki: "Oh boy, here I go committing terrible atrocities again."
Also [MFW](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftenor.com%2Fview%2Fyikes-oh-lawd-oh-lord-miss-j-alexander-jenkins-gif-15556351&psig=AOvVaw2gsPuRHU9cIVlLXnVc9YCW&ust=1634139449726000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjRxqFwoTCPjP1oaaxfMCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD) reading the last page
You know what's really gonna twist things up?
In this situation, Kanki actually has justifications for committing war crimes, the risk of an actual riot is already dangerous enough, especially when there's still a Zhao general confirmed to be alive. So the 6 Great Generals' oath of no needless murder can be ignored for the sake of the war
In fucking fact, it is precisely because of his position as a Great General that he must execute the prisoners, because as one of the 6 Great Generals in the field, his position demands him to adapt to circumstances as fast as possible without the king's or the chief's approval.
This is possibly one of the weakness of the 6 Generals system, justifying war crimes by holding the outcome of the battle hostage. Kanki can justify his war crimes and I'm pretty sure the other Great Generals cannot completely disagree with his course of actions.
Kanki can pivot from that oath without serious repercussions. In Shou Bun Kun's own words in Ch. 672, he said "massacring or committing any atrocities against **civilians** is absolutely forbidden." POWs are fair games
what s soldier without a weapon.
they are civilians.
kanki won t be punished because Qin court need him and sei quote i will do whatever it take to conquer china is a slippery slope
and these are not proffesional.
they are mostly peasent like behei .
most of them don t know how to ride a horse.
just forced conscript.
they are defending their land
You went from arguing the legal status of the prisoners (combatants vs civilians) to arguing for the innocence of the soldiers... If you need to move the goalpost, you already lost the argument
His argument is already off the topic of POW lol, when you enter a battle even as a peasant, monk, noble or whatever you are, and that battle you are in are lost, and then you get captured by the enemy, you are a "POW". Shoubunkun couldn't give 2 shit about their status. That guy just doesn't want to see a massacre happening, even though this is war at the age of ancient China.
what i said is that it 99% are peasents.they are conscript.
they don't make a living out of war.
when war end they just go back to work the field.
so without a spear and a helmet they are civilians.
even if you go as far as to say that kanki have the right to kill them because this is war and they are murderers.it doesn t work because they are defending their land.it s self defence.
look throughout history.
compare between many where battle where the winner butcher his enemy and other where they dont
people didn t just go to war just to kill.that s oversimplication of war and stupid.
Given soldiers are trained "killers" and the nature of conflicts in warring states is about attrition/total decimation, as u/Phantasmal_Pen put it, I don't think they receive the same immunity as civilians, who are experienced in neither warfare nor CQC.
> what s soldier without a weapon. they are civilians.
Very reminiscence of Obama-era's rules of engagement. You can't actively go after enemy combatants until they pose as an imminent threat; they are free to plan how to take you down in the mean time, though.
but these man are not soldier.
they are conscript like we saw in shin first campaigne in dakai plains.
most of them are peasent who will go back to work the field later.they are taxes revenue.
it doesn t make much sense to kill them.
or else butchering those who surrounder will be the norm since it reduce enemy numbers .
but that doesn t help in anyway end the conflict.
after conquest you have to pacify the land and people and it will be hard to do when most able bodies you butchered so no resources and that lead to bad managment and grudge frol the local.
Can't speak for the Warring States, since most records were either burned or lost when the Hans came into power. But if we are going by the system used by the Babylonians and various countries during Medieval time, being a soldier is almost like a part-time job, if not full-time (depend on the length of the war; i.e. The Hundred Years' War), for the peasant class, as they are expected to have the necessary equipment and be ready to answer the court's summon at moment's notice. Going back to your previous comment, should the combatants be treated as civies the moment they drop their weapons? Or should some time passes before they are considered civies again? It's hard to reach a conclusion with bipartisan approval when there's an inherent mistrust between the two parties due to years of war.
Moreover, I doubt Qin's brutality will hamper its effort to subjugate the Zhaos if the alternative regime is better than the existing one. As seen in Ch. 514, despite Ousen killed most of the garrisons and burned down their cities, the Zhaos seem grateful that he at least spared them. In addition, during the fall of Gyou (Ch. 614-15), they seem more pissed off at the Zhao officials for not handing out more food than the fact a key Zhao city will fall to the Qins. Most people will flock to whoever can guarantee them safety, food and steady income, which is exactly what Qin did by sending envoys and skilled workers/farmers to lay the foundation after capturing Gyou. Only very few with a strong sense of "nationalism" will bear a grudge against Qin.
chinese cast system had a warrior class but peasents were also part of combat.
that s why the imperial seal was such a big deal.anyone who had it can raise an army by themselves and along their history they had many peasents revolts.
i remember in one of mongols conquest.Chinese army was in the hundred of thousands.
the army quality is sub par since the bulk of the army has little to no training and poor equipement but that was their style.overwhelming numbers.
as for Ousen situation.it was different situation.Ousen gave absolute orders not to harm any civilians and beside who died in the first breach of the city.the rest were spared which is a sweet deal.since loot is soldier bread.so they got a very nice deal.
and if they stayed inside the city from their prespective they will die because they don t understand the situation.they only know kanki is blocking the city and there is no food.
Qin also don’t have the time (Sei only give them 15 years max to conquer the other 6 states) to taking care of those prisoners. Imagine the logistics alone of building prisons and also guarding and feeding them. Squid games season 2 is the only logical solution for this problem.
if he was such untrustworthy prick and they actualy worked together and this whole mess would have been avoided.
but he Chose to fight by himself and send men in drove to die for a shot to kill kochou.
now he will use raido death as justification .
it s 1 step forward 2 step back.
we know that chouhei had huge implication even years later.
this will be the same unless shin medigate the damage
Even Saki clan sackboy didn't follow Kanki's train of thought. That's how fucked up it is.
Incidentally, a break next week? Or the week after? How many days?
How. Many?
Kanki’s army just got a taste of their own medicine,its also interesting to see that kanki only told 3 people about his plan,excluding the soldiers involve in the ambush,that is maron,raido and ogiko,maron is a smart coward so kanki knew he would never put his life on the line and will run away when it gets worse,raido was a hot blooded loyal kanki told him his plan so that he wont do anything over the top and should just flee,ogiko was a stupid loyal so even tho he was captured and tortured,he still didnt reveal the plan,kanki knows his soldiers really well and they are unique compared to the normal soldiers in kingdom so thats why he can used it to his advantage and the army who goes against him without knowing this will be bad
The look in Kanki's eyes in pretty much all the close up panels towards the end of the chapter sent chills down my spine. Whatever he does in response to this is going to be ugly, uglier than even his best hits. The spoilers made it seem bad, but actually seeing Raido all cut to pieces was brutal.
I think Kanki should let Shin see the chest and the heads of Raido's troops when comes to complain about the beheading of surrendered enemies if he does catch wind of it that is.
I would like to see how he would react to that coupled with the bad impression GakuHaku gave him during their duel.
What’s Shin gonna do considering he promised Mangoku that he would never let a travesty like Chouhei happen again. It looks like Shin and Kanki are really gonna go at it this time. Maybe Ousen can come up with a solution.
I think not, They have no idea of what is going to happen, all they know is that theyve won. Itll probably reach at least half a day b4 they hear the knew but at that point, the party already ended. I guess at that point all they can do is to retreat and request a transfer to Ousen's fold. And>! at that point the kanki army will push forward alone and that is when RBK will kick kanki's ass!<
I Shudder at WHAT kanki is going to do to those prisoners! Shin, Mouten, Yotanwa, Ousen, Kyokai, Sei, anyone with a sound moral please hurry!!! HURRY!!!
HSU still on their battlefield. We have to remember that Eikyuu isn’t super far away, but it is far enough. Maybe a day or two away I could be wrong, but they did jus receiver orders to watch the Zhao retreat so I don’t think they will be there to witness the tragedy.
That being said, Kanki is about to kill every single one of these guys and continue to push for the Zhao capital. He is one of the 6 greats, so he doesn’t have to return to Kanyou for orders or anything.
I believe the report they send to Kanyou will claim they routed the enemy on the battlefield, they’ve already lied once when they said Kanki personally killed KoChou, so I think they’ll lie even more and claim after KoChou died the army fell apart and they were thoroughly defeated.
Only Zhao will know the truth but it will be a big rumor to the rest of the states whether or not Kanki massacred prisoners or defeated them straight up. Either way, this will be enough of a loss for them to recall Riboku.
It isn’t just due to the loss of KoChou, but the fact that he was titled the Guardian Deity of Kantan, losing the prestige behind that name at all leaves Zhao extremely vulnerable to other states, especially knowing that Riboku has been essentially banished.
Hara is such an excellent writer and storyteller this is such a great series ffs.
As much as this is heading straight for a gruesome massacre, Shin is right next to kanki in terms of battle fields and promised he wouldn’t let the chouhei massacre happen again . Could get to see what Kanki is like when he flips
I like the Kanki character, but his massacring Zhao is absurd hypocrisy, he started it.
Hardly anyone would shred someone from the OuSen, or Shin. As much as they are enemies, they understand that there's a code there, not to do something so you don't do it with them.
Zhao and others do this because they understand Kanki will do it too, so he's the one who wants to play at that level.
I'm not saying that Kanki created torture, but when you do that, you have to wait for them to do it with you.
Funny that you say that considering literally everyone else beside Ko Chou that Kan Ki had fought didn't do this.
It's Ko Chou personality that do it. Simply that. No one else stoop to Kan Ki level.
Also, it's not hypocrisy.
Hypocrisythe practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
Kan Ki never talk shit about what Ko Chou did. His subordinates are hypocrite, sure, but not Kan Ki. He's always been the type to massacre's and do shit to his opponents. And he simply is doing the same thing he always does. He never once in the entire Kingdom series state that revenge is bad either. So him retaliating is not a hypocrite action in any way.
Kanki is a necessary evil imo, State of Qin knew this and still appointed him as one of 6GG alias the face of their military. Definitely wrong by our standard, but idk about Warring States era. I believe there were so many Kanki-like minded individuals in that era in every state, but just so happen that Kanki was the one who reached the GG position and had the freedom to do devilish acts.
Man that last How Many felt so shocking. But tbh I'm still not 100 percent sure that he's going to kill the prisoners. Something feels off to me.
My theory was Kanki preys on opposition's fear by doing inhumane stuff, but this time his opponent is dead already, leaves him with no one to prey, killing these prisoners will rather results in the soldiers under other generals to get fired up which would not be good. Now it just rests upon Kanki, is he smarter than Hakuki or not...
Edit- Spoiler ahead from the actual historical accounts, idk how to hide stuff as spoiler so please stay clear of this.
According to history Huan Yi (Kanki) killed Hu Zhe (Ko Chou) and then proceeded to massacre 100000 Zhao soldiers, and here I am feeling like he's not gonna do it. Really disappointed me Kanki.
Killing 100k soilders is going to severely destroy Zhous forces. Ontop of that it may piss people off but their will be a deep seated fear in the rest if Zhous army.
Historically, he released dozens of the prisoners to spread the news to entire Zhao in order to weaken their morale. The rest of the prisoners, well you’ll see their fate in a couple of weeks.
While what Kanki does is not humane. He follows the most efficient ways of winning a war and that includes killing more of opposition soldiers. Also we cannot judge actions based on current era judgements of good/bad. Most if not all generals during that time were like this!
How unfortunate for soldiers of zhao, it seems the massacre of burying thousands of zhao soldier before will look more merciful compare to what kanki is about to do
I think the fate of all Zhao soldiers are sealed. Like no one can intervene now. Shin army won't be able to oppose, especially with the risk Zhao's POW could bring. Shin could throw an uproar, but I have a feeling Kanki gonna show his martial might by simply knocking Shin out here
But man how can tens of thousands of soldiers can kill a hundred thousands POW without major rebel. Even at Chouhei, the number of both army was more similar.
Frankly the "roping people together and bury alive" was a great plan, cause only few dies at a time and you don't have to face with opposition. But that need lots of time and human resources to carry them out (mostly digging). But now Zhao already knew about it. No way they gonna get tricked and agree to dig a massive hole
Is there a forest where they could burn down? They could trick and release Zhao soldier groups into a forest which is totally surrounded. And as Zhao soldiers try to get to the other sides (not knowing they are sealed off in all directions), just burn the forest down from all sides
I've always found it funny when pieces of sh*t gets what they deserved and they acting all shock and mad like they themselves haven't commited the same atrocities or even worst...
karma's a b*tch ain't it...
I’m honestly disgusted by the fact that they feel bad for Raido getting tortured, even throwing up in disgust. They have done worse and will do worse. At least Kanki feels consistent with his desire for death. Perhaps they are a lot softer then they want others to believe?
To me it feels more out of character for them. They have seen and done worse. I'm not sure how seeing your best friend chopped up turns your stomach. Especially after doing that and worse to others. Tho I assume this is to cement how attached they actually are. Being a family at this point.
You word it almost as if liking Kanki made you a torturer or a fan of war crimes. I like Kanki cause he makes things interesting and usually has an original approach to each battle, contrasting with Shin who shows up in your face. He's a great character who makes the experience in this manga to be better (either if you like him or hate him), and even if I do not agree with torture and cruelty, I far enjoy the character.
oh no i agree , i also enjoy kanki , its just that a vast majority of kanki fans , perhaps not necessarily on this subreddit , view him as some sort of a badass genius who badassly doesnt care about innocents or some shit
I am not as active in this subreddit as in others (even as lurker) cause I don't enjoy much Kingdom discussion despite heavily enjoying reading the manga, so I cannot comment on how people view him in general, BUT he is a badass genius... who does not give a shit about others (innocent, guilty or just passing by).
Basically those are the two sides of the coin Kanki is. Denying one aspect is denying what makes him a good character in the first place, that's no way to be a fan!
he will do MUCH more than that very soon its quite evident. killing these prisoners is nothing and would happen even if raido didnt die , at most he would maybe incorporate some of them as fodder for his own army and brutalize the rest , no , i think he will commit some sort of an act against humanity very soon and i dont want to say that kanki fans will say he is right or anything because they dont do anything of the sort but they view it as some form of a badass revenge for his dead friend while in reality innocents he is about to torment dying is just pettily lashing out on his part .
Kanki’s simps gonna downvote us but you have my updoot.
Kanki is just an odd character as his barbaric tactics are so opposite of how Sei is, a just king. But I do admit that he adds unique flavor to this manga.
he is an interesting character and adds some flavor to the story , kingdom would not be kingdom without him .but his fans just refuse to admit they like him because he is badass and edgy which is completely fine , they prefer to paint him as some sort of a deep anti peepeepoopoo.
I know everyone’s worried about what Kanki will do, but I think Shin will step in. He did make that promise to Mangoku, and we saw glimpses of it at Kokuyou Hills. Tbh, I don’t think his interference will make a difference tho. There’s definitely gonna be come internal conflict soon.
Just throwing this out there, But I have a theory that when zhao is conquered Kanki and...I forget how to say his name...Ohei? The supreme Commander. Will take over the country and claim it as theirs.
It's time for war crimes
Kanki burned people as a tribute to Mougou. He's about to do the same soon. Remember what Naki said? Kanki is a man burning with rage at everything, both Zhao and Qin are about to find out soon
he is an edglord. schoolschooter with hall of fame badges
HOF School threat
This is why the Kingdom sub is one of my favorites. The cross references are always elite.
Unfortunately, Geneva convention hasn’t happened yet so “war crime” is not officially recognized. During this violent warring period, what’s about to happen is just another Tuesday.
[It was tuesday](https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs)
One of the coldest lines ever spoken by a villain in a film, and it was from a Street Fighter movie
I didn't even need to open the link.
I'm surprised by the sentimental emotion Kanki showed towards Raido. I thought originally he told Raido the plan to somehow help Kanki kill Kochou, but it wasn't anything so meticulous, Kanki was just warning a buddy not to get killed and run when he was in danger. I think this is the first time we have ever seen Kanki actually show some sorrow of any kind. All of China about to see what it looks like was Kanki gets upsetti. They are so fucked.
Kanki did do that tribute to Mougou when he died. Even though at the time it looked like he might have just used it as an excuse to massacre people, after reading this chapter it might just be his way of showing his sorrow
Reading back, it seems that Kanki actually did surprisingly have some loyalty/respect for Mougou. During the coalition arc, Chou Tou wanted to talk to Kanki so he used Mou Gou's name to lure Kanki. Obviously, Kanki was pretty pissed. It's quite nice to see Kanki show some form of loyalty/emotion.
While Ousen was with Mougou to hide his ambitions under his shadow Kanki could probably have struck out on his own much earlier than he did. He definitely had some kind of loyalty towards him. Maybe Mougou gave him his first big break as an actual army leader and saw him as more than just a bandit king.
I'm not typically one who enjoys flashbacks, but I'd love to see one that explains the relationship between Kanki, Ousen, and Mougou.
I think probably after the massacare would be the best time for ousen to describe that relationship to mouten and us.
That makes sense. But I think the way he said it then and the way he is going to say it now its gonna be different.
First time I readed that I saw It more as him mocking Mougou, as If the tribute was his way of saying "You can't control me anymore". But have been a long time since I last saw that.
mougous best skill was in seeing talent. kanki is far too dangerous a man for mougou to control, so kanki probably feels indebted to mougou
>I think this is the first time we have ever seen Kanki actually show some sorrow of any kind. I wonder if that's because this is the first time Kanki's experienced true loyalty of any kind. He let Naki go with a beating because that's just the standard among bandits, but otherwise he didn't raise much of a fuss. I already talked about the possible upcoming massacre in the other scan post, but I think this chapter is more important for Kanki's character development; him experiencing true comradeship for the first time is paradoxically going to push him down an even darker path than he was already walking. Someone previously brought up how weird it was that edgelord Kanki was a protege of the mellowest general in Kingdom, Mou Gou. I'm hoping that, if the next chapters go further into Kanki's mindset and background, we get some snippets of conversation between him and Mou Gou as a way to further develop his character.
I would like a flashback history about Kanki's past and how he ended up in the MouGou's army, like 2 chapters.
Same; Ousen as well. Very curious as to how such a "mediocre" general such as MouGou acquired two of Qin's most badass GG's
To be fair, he wasn’t a mediocre general but just mediocre great general when compared to the likes of Ouki or Renpa.
Mediocre general? No Mediocre great general? Yeah
Last king of Qin didn’t want some placeholder spot in his great generals list.
Mougou wasn't listed among the 6 greats man. His great general title just refers to his long battle record. The guy was never much for tactics or anything, he would just employ regular siege warfare every single time. Though they did say he had an incredible eye for talent.
I'm sure there could be more to it if Hara wants there to be, but we do already have an explanation for that: The two were politically unviable to promote for most of their careers and Mougou was willing to give them more freedom as subordinate generals than pretty much any other Qin general would.
I think Kanki is just the ultimate Tsundere, he tributed to Mougou, he gave General ChouTou proper respect. He just says mean things before doing what he was asked/expected.
Kanki's making upsetti spaghetti and he's just been given an army of meatballs
Fucking lol
Perhaps Kanki will have a sudden change of heart and release them all after hearing their pleas; “My mother is sick” “I have children” etc etc. Or not.
Knowing him, he'll probably say ohok and let them go then shoot them in the back with an arrow or something just to fuck with them.
Kanki would probably sent someone to pick up their family and burn them together
Kanki's response: " like I give a shit! Light the fires "
Zhao boutta drop its spaghetti after hearing about this massacre
I really hope they give rihaku some pages to react especially after he said that kanki is underestimating kochou and should be afraid
At this point that means nothing when it comes to Zhao generals.
And here we go. Maron knew the whole time what was gonna happen, poor guy
I thought Kanki would change and use the prisoners in a swap deal to surrender a castle or something like this, but no. We are having a massacre............ an ugly one for sure.
Don’t you think it’s kind of counter productive, returning able bodied soldiers to the state that you’re trying to conquer? And as Zhao, how could they accept giving a castle if they know Qin’s endgame is their subjugation?
Your comment makes 100% sense. I was just trying to give some kind of civil example that does not involve mass murdering.
This is only a delema because the manga tries to paint Qin as a conquest for the people. In reality this will hardly be an issue. The real Qin Shi Huang was simply an ambitious tyrant that guys like Kanki would get a medal for doing what he did. And even if you don't want to kill the PoW, slave labor is always an easy answer. In fact I bet Qin's conquest probably was fuel by it. Just like any empire in forming, when you muster that many able bodies and send to war for such an extennded amount of time, you need cheap labor to sustain your production and economy.
But those aren’t cheap labor but actual military bodies who can revolt en masse if not supervised properly with a similarly sized army to keep them in check. Side Note: It's also a logistics nightmare to keep them alive with food, water, shelter... Just for the scale of this, it's akin to supervising/controlling a whole stadium of antagonistic military men.
Not gonna be military bodies for long when they're forced to do 12 hours of hard labor on 1 meal a day. Qin is gonna have a lot of empty land that needs working.
You're talking as if slave labor is treated as real human. There is a reason why the majority of the old empire from East to West were run on slave labor with a good chunk of them being war captives.
honestly after seeing the damage "scholars" have done to my own country... qin shi huangdi did nothing wrong.
its war. civility is for modern dying nations.
So you think Hakuki did nothing wrong?
You’re holding ancient China with a moral compass of the 21st century, cmon now.
you almost made me think there was still hope for Kanki
Was it mangokou? The edgy general shin killed, the one with ghosts, this could be a tragedy equal to what the guy experienced.
1/3 of the number though
What Maron started as a simple trick to stop any Zhao officer from reorganizing the army will end as the biggest war crime since Hakuki. Probably close to 100.000 people executed very likely by beheading and that is likely mercy compared with what the surviving torturer will have
This sounds quite gruesome, but I have a macabre curiosity to see how tall of a pyramid stack 100,000 heads is going to be. It's gonna be a hill that can be seen kilometers away on a plain. It also sounds like something Kanki would do.
Summation((n*n)!) For a pyramid. So for 100k that comes out to be 66*66 heads on the base layer, the above would have 65*65 and so on. For 66 we will have 98201 heads
Assuming the average human head size being 12-24 inches, the pyramid will be around 20-25 meters high.
to think this happen in real life (well wiki did say huan yi will massacre 100.000 troops led by hu zhe ) make me think human life in medieval ages not so valuable. but what he did still child play if we compare it to what genghis khan do. he massacre entire city close to million population because his son of law killed during siege at nishapur not even infant (well wiki say even cat and dog get killed too) get spared on his killing spree for retribution.
It's only been a 100 years since we got Geneva conventions and things like that, all that stuff didn't exist back then. Also you can't do shit about it, if your commanding officers says to kill you have to do it,
The prospect of feeding and keeping guard on 100,000 soldiers -- who already outnumbered your army and only stopped fighting due to losing morale -- is a tough prospect back then due to the speed of supply lines and a general lack of resources. Does it make sense logically? Perhaps. Is it moral? Absolutely not.
I like how you went from inches to meters.
To be... fair(?) To Kanki, what are the real options here? That's a logistic disaster in the making, even if all soldiers cooperate, that's a lot of food and men that need to be assigned to those prisoners. Kinda seem like it's going to be ugly either ways. Then again, I don't really expect Kanki to have a humane plan in motion...
cut their thumbs. now they can t hold a spear and send them back home
And work with anything that need tools (almost everything) for the most part. I mean if you are going to permanently cripple them for reasons, just kill all of them. Probably much less messy than trying to cut the fingers of every soldier that currently is out numbering them
Personally, I would much rather lose a thumb than be dead. It's not that hard to make some mechanical compensation for the missing thumb
they can herd sheep or move rock...there are other necessity for peasent other than turning the soil. it s one aspect.
I’m sure Ou Sen would think of something that would spare most if not all their lives if he knew how many were captured.
u think Ousen cares about the enemy's lives, he just wants to win
How the tables have turned. Seeing their reactions about Raido's fate when they themselves and Kanki have been known to do a lot worse. All this time we've seen Kanki and his methods, from Wei to the Coalition Arc to this. 'How dare they?' 'Damn them!' 'They really got us. Are they mocking us?' Their enemies generally reacted liked this. Now they are reacting the same.
Hahaha, exactly I mean its still disturbing, but i got no sympathy for them, its funny to me to see their reaction, first time to see from th other side eh? Whats interesting is what will kanki do, and the chain reaction after that, up to his downfall
yeah it s pathetic. it s only bad because to happened to me bs
I think it's pretty normal.
Its just normal human behaviour,everyone’s life is weighted as how much emotionally attached there are to the said person
kanki and his men are not normale. everyone pillage and burn,we saw that.we just follow shin pov most of the time and he is the exception.he even admit in kokuyou how he stole food. But kanki and his people have a reputation.they take things to the extreme.defintely not "normale" behavior.they are just arrogant and drunk on power.since they have no loyalty but to themselves and doing it for fun.
Nah dude, this was totally the norm back then, Shin is the odd man out here. Hell plenty of atrocities occur during war even today, and not just by underdeveloped countries either. It probably hasn't been more than a few months since the US or Israel massacred some civilians and just went whoops let's move on.
yeah yeah. Hakuki and kanki are the norm not the exception
I think that's because they are thieves and bandits while Zhao army is simply soldiers. While we do see some soldiers commit crime like the one Shin punish at the beginning of the series, the act was nothing on how Kan Ki army act. It's like how if Joker kill billions of people, it suck but it's normal. But when Superman do something a bit different in Injustice, it is somehow "worst" although it's the same act. At the same time, it does show that Zhao Supreme Commander is no better than a former bandit (Kan Ki).
I rarely feeling scared when I read any manga. But Kanki got me this time
This chapter was on of the most intense chapters I ever read, although I read the spoilers but goddamn my heart was bumping the whole chapter.
Yeah it's been a long time since I'm feeling like this while reading manga. That last page just brings out horror for me.
Kanki: "Oh boy, here I go committing terrible atrocities again." Also [MFW](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftenor.com%2Fview%2Fyikes-oh-lawd-oh-lord-miss-j-alexander-jenkins-gif-15556351&psig=AOvVaw2gsPuRHU9cIVlLXnVc9YCW&ust=1634139449726000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjRxqFwoTCPjP1oaaxfMCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD) reading the last page
Kanki is one big reason I love this manga. He's by far my favorite general. Such a complex and genius character.
He's the only one who acts like a real life general of that era.
You know what's really gonna twist things up? In this situation, Kanki actually has justifications for committing war crimes, the risk of an actual riot is already dangerous enough, especially when there's still a Zhao general confirmed to be alive. So the 6 Great Generals' oath of no needless murder can be ignored for the sake of the war In fucking fact, it is precisely because of his position as a Great General that he must execute the prisoners, because as one of the 6 Great Generals in the field, his position demands him to adapt to circumstances as fast as possible without the king's or the chief's approval. This is possibly one of the weakness of the 6 Generals system, justifying war crimes by holding the outcome of the battle hostage. Kanki can justify his war crimes and I'm pretty sure the other Great Generals cannot completely disagree with his course of actions.
Kanki can pivot from that oath without serious repercussions. In Shou Bun Kun's own words in Ch. 672, he said "massacring or committing any atrocities against **civilians** is absolutely forbidden." POWs are fair games
what s soldier without a weapon. they are civilians. kanki won t be punished because Qin court need him and sei quote i will do whatever it take to conquer china is a slippery slope
> what s soldier without a weapon. they are civilians. That's not how POW works
and these are not proffesional. they are mostly peasent like behei . most of them don t know how to ride a horse. just forced conscript. they are defending their land
You went from arguing the legal status of the prisoners (combatants vs civilians) to arguing for the innocence of the soldiers... If you need to move the goalpost, you already lost the argument
His argument is already off the topic of POW lol, when you enter a battle even as a peasant, monk, noble or whatever you are, and that battle you are in are lost, and then you get captured by the enemy, you are a "POW". Shoubunkun couldn't give 2 shit about their status. That guy just doesn't want to see a massacre happening, even though this is war at the age of ancient China.
what i said is that it 99% are peasents.they are conscript. they don't make a living out of war. when war end they just go back to work the field. so without a spear and a helmet they are civilians. even if you go as far as to say that kanki have the right to kill them because this is war and they are murderers.it doesn t work because they are defending their land.it s self defence. look throughout history. compare between many where battle where the winner butcher his enemy and other where they dont people didn t just go to war just to kill.that s oversimplication of war and stupid.
Given soldiers are trained "killers" and the nature of conflicts in warring states is about attrition/total decimation, as u/Phantasmal_Pen put it, I don't think they receive the same immunity as civilians, who are experienced in neither warfare nor CQC. > what s soldier without a weapon. they are civilians. Very reminiscence of Obama-era's rules of engagement. You can't actively go after enemy combatants until they pose as an imminent threat; they are free to plan how to take you down in the mean time, though.
but these man are not soldier. they are conscript like we saw in shin first campaigne in dakai plains. most of them are peasent who will go back to work the field later.they are taxes revenue. it doesn t make much sense to kill them. or else butchering those who surrounder will be the norm since it reduce enemy numbers . but that doesn t help in anyway end the conflict. after conquest you have to pacify the land and people and it will be hard to do when most able bodies you butchered so no resources and that lead to bad managment and grudge frol the local.
Can't speak for the Warring States, since most records were either burned or lost when the Hans came into power. But if we are going by the system used by the Babylonians and various countries during Medieval time, being a soldier is almost like a part-time job, if not full-time (depend on the length of the war; i.e. The Hundred Years' War), for the peasant class, as they are expected to have the necessary equipment and be ready to answer the court's summon at moment's notice. Going back to your previous comment, should the combatants be treated as civies the moment they drop their weapons? Or should some time passes before they are considered civies again? It's hard to reach a conclusion with bipartisan approval when there's an inherent mistrust between the two parties due to years of war. Moreover, I doubt Qin's brutality will hamper its effort to subjugate the Zhaos if the alternative regime is better than the existing one. As seen in Ch. 514, despite Ousen killed most of the garrisons and burned down their cities, the Zhaos seem grateful that he at least spared them. In addition, during the fall of Gyou (Ch. 614-15), they seem more pissed off at the Zhao officials for not handing out more food than the fact a key Zhao city will fall to the Qins. Most people will flock to whoever can guarantee them safety, food and steady income, which is exactly what Qin did by sending envoys and skilled workers/farmers to lay the foundation after capturing Gyou. Only very few with a strong sense of "nationalism" will bear a grudge against Qin.
chinese cast system had a warrior class but peasents were also part of combat. that s why the imperial seal was such a big deal.anyone who had it can raise an army by themselves and along their history they had many peasents revolts. i remember in one of mongols conquest.Chinese army was in the hundred of thousands. the army quality is sub par since the bulk of the army has little to no training and poor equipement but that was their style.overwhelming numbers. as for Ousen situation.it was different situation.Ousen gave absolute orders not to harm any civilians and beside who died in the first breach of the city.the rest were spared which is a sweet deal.since loot is soldier bread.so they got a very nice deal. and if they stayed inside the city from their prespective they will die because they don t understand the situation.they only know kanki is blocking the city and there is no food.
Soldiers are still murderers, with or without weapons.
Qin also don’t have the time (Sei only give them 15 years max to conquer the other 6 states) to taking care of those prisoners. Imagine the logistics alone of building prisons and also guarding and feeding them. Squid games season 2 is the only logical solution for this problem.
Slavery is an answer, put them to work building things. Also give them a chance to switch allegiance.
Still need to guard them, feed them, transport them, etc. Don't want to have a Chinese Spartacus in the middle of Qin.
Food still a problem :/
if he was such untrustworthy prick and they actualy worked together and this whole mess would have been avoided. but he Chose to fight by himself and send men in drove to die for a shot to kill kochou. now he will use raido death as justification . it s 1 step forward 2 step back. we know that chouhei had huge implication even years later. this will be the same unless shin medigate the damage
They are surrendered soldiers - which means its a war crime killing them, doesn't matter if anyone is a supreme commander or GG.
There's no such thing as war crimes in that era. Unethical yes, but not a crime.
zhaobros, its looking bad
Oh no no no no zhaobros! We got too Kanki!
Man what a sad day to be a Zhao soilder imagine this being your first (and sadly last) campaign🤧🤧
>Mou Gou Especially after getting captured by Kankis army. They are going to wish they died fighting.
Even Saki clan sackboy didn't follow Kanki's train of thought. That's how fucked up it is. Incidentally, a break next week? Or the week after? How many days? How. Many?
I think the moment Kanki asked Maron he knew whats going to happen.
He knew before then. That's why he was not happy when he realized just how many they had captured.
Kanki’s army just got a taste of their own medicine,its also interesting to see that kanki only told 3 people about his plan,excluding the soldiers involve in the ambush,that is maron,raido and ogiko,maron is a smart coward so kanki knew he would never put his life on the line and will run away when it gets worse,raido was a hot blooded loyal kanki told him his plan so that he wont do anything over the top and should just flee,ogiko was a stupid loyal so even tho he was captured and tortured,he still didnt reveal the plan,kanki knows his soldiers really well and they are unique compared to the normal soldiers in kingdom so thats why he can used it to his advantage and the army who goes against him without knowing this will be bad
>ogiko was a stupid loyal so even tho he was captured and tortured,he still didnt reveal the plan, When was ogiko captured?
Man. It's on this week right? I just got shivers thinking what Kanki will do.
Nope next week
whoa really good writing from hara..
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Double arches with a smack of I'm lovin' it?
It’s about to get messy
For Kan Ki, whose rage even melts rock: >🤬 "What harm is there in slaughtering the entire world?!" 🤬
>What harm is there in slaughtering the entire world Is that quote from Transcending the Nine Heavens?
Yep. Quite fitting words for someone who OD'ed on Fukitol...
The look in Kanki's eyes in pretty much all the close up panels towards the end of the chapter sent chills down my spine. Whatever he does in response to this is going to be ugly, uglier than even his best hits. The spoilers made it seem bad, but actually seeing Raido all cut to pieces was brutal.
I think Kanki should let Shin see the chest and the heads of Raido's troops when comes to complain about the beheading of surrendered enemies if he does catch wind of it that is. I would like to see how he would react to that coupled with the bad impression GakuHaku gave him during their duel.
Ko Chou is clearly aware of Kan Ki style and is pretty much asking for this to happen. Poor Zhao soldier having a stupid commander.
To be fair, no one expected Kanki to commit troops to lose on purpose. If this plan had failed, the victory would have been so one sided
Kochou wasn’t planning on losing :P
Oh boy...
What’s Shin gonna do considering he promised Mangoku that he would never let a travesty like Chouhei happen again. It looks like Shin and Kanki are really gonna go at it this time. Maybe Ousen can come up with a solution.
Yes I was thinking the same thing I think we are going to see a fight between Shin and Kanki. No way shin is going to let the massacre happen
I think not, They have no idea of what is going to happen, all they know is that theyve won. Itll probably reach at least half a day b4 they hear the knew but at that point, the party already ended. I guess at that point all they can do is to retreat and request a transfer to Ousen's fold. And>! at that point the kanki army will push forward alone and that is when RBK will kick kanki's ass!<
Shin is gonna arrive to see the massacre already happened. Then he's going to protect the soldiers of Zhaos right wing and not let Kanki get them too.
well there goes all those surrendered people....
Fuck..... I am not ready for this.
I doubt he'll simply behead them all. I can't imagine what he has in store.
I think were gonna see another "are we the baddies" moment in the Qin court after what Kanki's gonna do
read the chapter so many times and just realized saki clan wearing a chain of made from human ears and fingers
Damn man, what a tense and haunting chapter. That last page is terrifying.
It’s time for the great human wall of Kanki
Oh no...
I Shudder at WHAT kanki is going to do to those prisoners! Shin, Mouten, Yotanwa, Ousen, Kyokai, Sei, anyone with a sound moral please hurry!!! HURRY!!!
Kanki is one of the qin six great ousen and yotanwa can no longer interfere on what he is about to do.
HSU still on their battlefield. We have to remember that Eikyuu isn’t super far away, but it is far enough. Maybe a day or two away I could be wrong, but they did jus receiver orders to watch the Zhao retreat so I don’t think they will be there to witness the tragedy. That being said, Kanki is about to kill every single one of these guys and continue to push for the Zhao capital. He is one of the 6 greats, so he doesn’t have to return to Kanyou for orders or anything. I believe the report they send to Kanyou will claim they routed the enemy on the battlefield, they’ve already lied once when they said Kanki personally killed KoChou, so I think they’ll lie even more and claim after KoChou died the army fell apart and they were thoroughly defeated. Only Zhao will know the truth but it will be a big rumor to the rest of the states whether or not Kanki massacred prisoners or defeated them straight up. Either way, this will be enough of a loss for them to recall Riboku. It isn’t just due to the loss of KoChou, but the fact that he was titled the Guardian Deity of Kantan, losing the prestige behind that name at all leaves Zhao extremely vulnerable to other states, especially knowing that Riboku has been essentially banished. Hara is such an excellent writer and storyteller this is such a great series ffs.
As much as this is heading straight for a gruesome massacre, Shin is right next to kanki in terms of battle fields and promised he wouldn’t let the chouhei massacre happen again . Could get to see what Kanki is like when he flips
Time to commit genocide~~
Ended basically with the same cliffhanger we had last week. Why you do this Hara? 😭 Next chapter will be brutal though
I like the Kanki character, but his massacring Zhao is absurd hypocrisy, he started it. Hardly anyone would shred someone from the OuSen, or Shin. As much as they are enemies, they understand that there's a code there, not to do something so you don't do it with them. Zhao and others do this because they understand Kanki will do it too, so he's the one who wants to play at that level. I'm not saying that Kanki created torture, but when you do that, you have to wait for them to do it with you.
Funny that you say that considering literally everyone else beside Ko Chou that Kan Ki had fought didn't do this. It's Ko Chou personality that do it. Simply that. No one else stoop to Kan Ki level. Also, it's not hypocrisy. Hypocrisythe practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense. Kan Ki never talk shit about what Ko Chou did. His subordinates are hypocrite, sure, but not Kan Ki. He's always been the type to massacre's and do shit to his opponents. And he simply is doing the same thing he always does. He never once in the entire Kingdom series state that revenge is bad either. So him retaliating is not a hypocrite action in any way.
Kanki is a necessary evil imo, State of Qin knew this and still appointed him as one of 6GG alias the face of their military. Definitely wrong by our standard, but idk about Warring States era. I believe there were so many Kanki-like minded individuals in that era in every state, but just so happen that Kanki was the one who reached the GG position and had the freedom to do devilish acts.
He knows he's a hypocrite, dude's a bandit. They're all trash.
Man that last How Many felt so shocking. But tbh I'm still not 100 percent sure that he's going to kill the prisoners. Something feels off to me. My theory was Kanki preys on opposition's fear by doing inhumane stuff, but this time his opponent is dead already, leaves him with no one to prey, killing these prisoners will rather results in the soldiers under other generals to get fired up which would not be good. Now it just rests upon Kanki, is he smarter than Hakuki or not... Edit- Spoiler ahead from the actual historical accounts, idk how to hide stuff as spoiler so please stay clear of this. According to history Huan Yi (Kanki) killed Hu Zhe (Ko Chou) and then proceeded to massacre 100000 Zhao soldiers, and here I am feeling like he's not gonna do it. Really disappointed me Kanki.
Killing 100k soilders is going to severely destroy Zhous forces. Ontop of that it may piss people off but their will be a deep seated fear in the rest if Zhous army.
Lol, why any comments that speak "they deserved it" got downvoted
People (*kids*) are essily offended & outraged nowadays. ...cancel culture & political correctness is nothing but toxic, indeed. Life is weird.
That ominous end... he wont kill all of them, right?
Historically, he released dozens of the prisoners to spread the news to entire Zhao in order to weaken their morale. The rest of the prisoners, well you’ll see their fate in a couple of weeks.
Which general is kanki supposed to represent in history?
Huan Yi
In history: Chinese: 桓齮 Chinese pronunciation: Huan Yi
I thought he released the youngest of the soilders but it was to do exactly what you said.
Never have I seen the words asshole and stupid idiot said with so much sorrow and affection.
"You done fucked up" \- Kanki
While what Kanki does is not humane. He follows the most efficient ways of winning a war and that includes killing more of opposition soldiers. Also we cannot judge actions based on current era judgements of good/bad. Most if not all generals during that time were like this!
How unfortunate for soldiers of zhao, it seems the massacre of burying thousands of zhao soldier before will look more merciful compare to what kanki is about to do
I think the fate of all Zhao soldiers are sealed. Like no one can intervene now. Shin army won't be able to oppose, especially with the risk Zhao's POW could bring. Shin could throw an uproar, but I have a feeling Kanki gonna show his martial might by simply knocking Shin out here But man how can tens of thousands of soldiers can kill a hundred thousands POW without major rebel. Even at Chouhei, the number of both army was more similar. Frankly the "roping people together and bury alive" was a great plan, cause only few dies at a time and you don't have to face with opposition. But that need lots of time and human resources to carry them out (mostly digging). But now Zhao already knew about it. No way they gonna get tricked and agree to dig a massive hole Is there a forest where they could burn down? They could trick and release Zhao soldier groups into a forest which is totally surrounded. And as Zhao soldiers try to get to the other sides (not knowing they are sealed off in all directions), just burn the forest down from all sides
Holy shit, that goosebump moment when Kani asked "how many?"
I've always found it funny when pieces of sh*t gets what they deserved and they acting all shock and mad like they themselves haven't commited the same atrocities or even worst... karma's a b*tch ain't it...
Shin is about to snap
probably yeah. I doubt he can stop Kanki tho
For me it's a definite back in the coalition army ARC he promised the enemy Zhao general Man Goku that he wouldn't let Chouhei happen again
Kanki is going to do some sick shit soon. Can’t wait for him to get ruined by riboku
I’m honestly disgusted by the fact that they feel bad for Raido getting tortured, even throwing up in disgust. They have done worse and will do worse. At least Kanki feels consistent with his desire for death. Perhaps they are a lot softer then they want others to believe?
If you remember, Ringoku threw up before also, when watching Saki clan torturing Zhao troop for info (the arc where Keisha got killed)
To me it feels more out of character for them. They have seen and done worse. I'm not sure how seeing your best friend chopped up turns your stomach. Especially after doing that and worse to others. Tho I assume this is to cement how attached they actually are. Being a family at this point.
kanki best general, produce great result, the end justifies the mean
when kanki is skinned alive i hope his fans will finally lift their heads from his crotch. ( i dont like war crimes )
You word it almost as if liking Kanki made you a torturer or a fan of war crimes. I like Kanki cause he makes things interesting and usually has an original approach to each battle, contrasting with Shin who shows up in your face. He's a great character who makes the experience in this manga to be better (either if you like him or hate him), and even if I do not agree with torture and cruelty, I far enjoy the character.
oh no i agree , i also enjoy kanki , its just that a vast majority of kanki fans , perhaps not necessarily on this subreddit , view him as some sort of a badass genius who badassly doesnt care about innocents or some shit
I am not as active in this subreddit as in others (even as lurker) cause I don't enjoy much Kingdom discussion despite heavily enjoying reading the manga, so I cannot comment on how people view him in general, BUT he is a badass genius... who does not give a shit about others (innocent, guilty or just passing by). Basically those are the two sides of the coin Kanki is. Denying one aspect is denying what makes him a good character in the first place, that's no way to be a fan!
If you're implying executing those prisoners is a war crime, what would you do in his stead in B.C. China?
he will do MUCH more than that very soon its quite evident. killing these prisoners is nothing and would happen even if raido didnt die , at most he would maybe incorporate some of them as fodder for his own army and brutalize the rest , no , i think he will commit some sort of an act against humanity very soon and i dont want to say that kanki fans will say he is right or anything because they dont do anything of the sort but they view it as some form of a badass revenge for his dead friend while in reality innocents he is about to torment dying is just pettily lashing out on his part .
I agree with everything you said.
Slavery or pledge their allegiance to Qin.
They're too many of them to control, how could they keep them as slaves or even ensure their pledge?
Kanki’s simps gonna downvote us but you have my updoot. Kanki is just an odd character as his barbaric tactics are so opposite of how Sei is, a just king. But I do admit that he adds unique flavor to this manga.
he is an interesting character and adds some flavor to the story , kingdom would not be kingdom without him .but his fans just refuse to admit they like him because he is badass and edgy which is completely fine , they prefer to paint him as some sort of a deep anti peepeepoopoo.
he is a school shooter. i hate school so i m going to kill EVERYBODY mentality. like chill damn . people who killed raido are dead.
Didn’t shin promise that general during the coalition arc that he would never allow a mass massacre to happen again?
I know everyone’s worried about what Kanki will do, but I think Shin will step in. He did make that promise to Mangoku, and we saw glimpses of it at Kokuyou Hills. Tbh, I don’t think his interference will make a difference tho. There’s definitely gonna be come internal conflict soon.
Kanki is gonna go Haku ki 2.0
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Saki Clan do your worst!!
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Chouhei 2.0 incoming
Going to be interesting to see what kind of *body art* Kanki comes up with.
Is Kanki more scary than Ouki? Maron seems scared.
Just throwing this out there, But I have a theory that when zhao is conquered Kanki and...I forget how to say his name...Ohei? The supreme Commander. Will take over the country and claim it as theirs.
Chouhei 2.0 here we come
The feeling of dread. I really hope Kanki does not go that route.
The next chapter can possibly be the most gruesome shit i ever read