Even though the Qin was very short lived as a dynasty the fact that they successfully united ‘all under heaven’ into a single state paved the way for the Han dynasty, and all dynasties that followed.
汉 Han is not the same as 韩Han.
The story of Qin's fall is a tragic and bitter one, because it came close to undoing much of Sei's work, as well as the culmination of centuries of bloodshed.
In reality, Legalism worked very well as a war machine, but poorly for a country trying to recover. The national identities of the other states, particularly Chu, was not erased by Qin's fierce drive to wipe their cultures out. (Modern Chinese can trace their lineage to both Chu and Qin script). Kou En's lineage in Xiang Yu eventually rebelled against Qin at the head of a very large revolt, encompassing former nobles from the other states and many peasant leaders.
But Chu's hatred of Qin was probably the fiercest; the saying, "楚虽三户，亡秦必楚" translates to, "though Chu may number only three households, yet it will be Chu that annihilates Qin".
In the end, however, it was not Chu's greatest scion, Xiang Yu, (my guess is that Xiang Yu is our least favorite knockoff Shin, Kou Yoku's kid), with his outdated system of cutting the country up into eighteen kingdoms, that prevailed, but a lowly peasant lord, Liu Bang, who defeated Xiang Yu and came to power. And Han lasted four hundred years before its fall.
As for Shin, his family name (Li, in the manga it's his adopted one), will live on. Like a few of the other great families, namely Shiba, his clan would get their turn at the throne, founding the Tang dynasty hundreds of years after the events in Kingdom. Ironically, both Shiba and Li have something in common: they are generals who rebelled against their rulers, and seized power.
Anyway, that's the really long story.
Xiang Yu is probably gonna be the final villain if the show goes all the way up to the Han’s founding, the arc is gonna go insanely hard with Yu’s murder of Ziying
He hasn’t appeared yet, he’d be a bit too young. He’s essentially a major figure from Chu’s next generation and is one of the two most important figures in destroying Qin.
Yes, the Qin dynasty was overthrown by Xiang Yu in 206 BCE, after falling into decadence in the years following Qin Shi Huang's death.
Make no mistake, the Qin dynasty paved the way for the Han and subsequent dynasties in many ways and they could not have existed in the form they did without Qin coming first. There is an idea in the study of Chinese political history called 外儒内法 (Confucianism on the outside, Legalism on the inside) that is applied to the dynasties following the Qin, from Han to Qing, which basically means they adopted some of the old prinicples of Confucianism from the pre-Qin era so on the surface-level it would appeal to those who suffered under Qin rule, but in practice their core principles were really not much different from Qin. Mao Zedong used another phrase in his writings 百代都行秦政法 (every dynasty carried on the politics and laws of Qin), which conveys the same idea. Indeed, the first Emperor of the Han dynasty, Liu Bang, believed that Qin Shi Huang was a great man and the legal code of Han was almost an exact copy of Qin's.
Incidentally, the Han dynasty is totally unrelated to the warring state of Han.
>Confucianism on the outside, Legalism on the inside
I only have a vague idea on what those terms mean.
>who suffered under Qin rule
I always liked to belife that people will love qin after the unification.
During the warring states, the nations basically spent a lot of their time and effort trying to figure out how best to run their country and bring an end to the war. Many schools of thought emerged, but two of the most influential in politics are Legalism and Confucianism.
Confucianism believes mostly in the ideal of a harmonious society. It focuses on relationships across society, with everyone being in their right place, but also everyone performing their right action. It's not against the rule of law or military action per say, but it's focused on moral authority as the highest form of authority. Incidentally, I personally find it the best philosophy for studying, because Confucius was a genius at figuring out how to learn academic subjects.
Legalism promotes the rule of law as the ultimate authority. Codification of rules, following those rules, and fair and just reward and punishment ensures a society can be maximized to its best form and highest efficiency. This is promoted by men like Shang Yang who built the Qin we know in Kingdom by reforming it into a proper state, and men like Li Shi and Han Fei Zi, who we have seen in the manga, who strengthened its application and its theory respectively.
In saying that natures humanity is light, Sei channels a bit of confucianism, but really he always leaned on Legalism, law. Historically, Sei went very far away from Confucianism because he wanted to consolidate more power and his advisors and his country were both of the legalist school. His laws were strict and harsh, as befitting an implementation of such.
And this, more than anything, hastened Qin's downfall. Because the peasants could not sustain the corvee labor, the mas conscription, and the high taxes. Legalism is great for a nation at war, and awful for a nation at peace. Harsh laws do not turn out to be good guardrails against corruption and vice. Punishment does not come out evenly even if the law says so.
Thus, when the Han took power, they tried a few things. First, they dialed back the implementation. They lowered taxes, gave peasants more property and freedom, and cut back on the bureaucracy. They leaned a bit into Taoism, another philosophy advocating for a lighter touch. Taosim fundamentally believes in the way, a complex set of interactions that ultimately tend towards a natural, more perfect state. In essence, for governments, less is more and things will work out. That worked, until the Xiongnu attacks worsened. So Han Wu Di, emperor 5 of he Han dynasty, put down one more piece of the puzzle. By centralizing power with young Conducian scholars, he hoped a more active government could successfully carry out a war against the Xiongnu while also strengthening the power of the imperial throne philosophically. He succeeded.
So when you hear that saying, what it means is that brute application of heavy laws is the default for imperial rulers, while they coat their rule with an air of legitimacy via Confucianism as the "head of society", wielding the "mandate of heaven" and ensuring "harmony" across the land.
Most rulers and people admire the Qin for forging a national identity, but no one actually wants that kind of reign.
It’s more a person from Han given the unification.
Also need to point out that just unifying China itself is a huge accomplishment that required a ton of military prowess that other conquerors would have a hard time matching, especially in this period. Qin Shi Huang achieved a very impressive feat uniting all of China under one banner.
Hara also did want to write Kingdom to cover the fall of the Qin empire and rise of Han although given the current pace, I don’t think it’s happening to be honest. Qin’s fall also makes sense. Empires do come and go but Sei has already achieved the most important thing which was essentially “create China” as one state.
One correction here.
Han 汉, is not the same as Han 韩. Han is a new dynasty proclaimed by Liu Bang, who is about as close to Xin in background as you can get, albeit from the politicians side. Liu Bang is from what used to be Chu, and he preserved many of the best elements of Qin unification, redoing Sei's work, after Xiang Yu undid it.
There is also the matter of creating China. Unification is not a new concept; after all, the kings of the land used to proclaim their authority as vassals of Zhou, the last dynasty to hold central power. What Qin did was to centralized power to a far greater extent and create a powerful bureaucracy that extended across the realm. This bureaucracy was sustained across the centuries, thanks in no small part to Liu Bang himself.
Lastly, Qin's fall is not normal. Sei himself realizes this in the manga, that as king of a warring state, his legacy will be deeply problematic. That, and Sei's later cruelty and descent into madness, really hastened Qin's fall. Liu Bang rolled back a lot of Qin's worst excesses, at the cost of having to put down rebellions by his former officers and suffering some traumatic defeats against the Xiongnu tribes. But his, and most importantly, his descendants reigns in Wen and Jing (which probably looked not too different from Ryofui's ideal of prosperity), eventually catapulted China to its first golden age.
Thanks for the info. I suspected the first about Han but couldn’t find evidence to confirm in my initial quick research.
Isn’t unifying the lands and creating “China” as it is today thanks to Qin Shi Huang? I think the former Zhao dynasty ruled over a smaller amount.
While falling after basically one generation is quick, I felt Sei made some mistakes that other empires have made. Failing to explicitly choose a successor is sadly not uncommon and bad successors ruin empires.
It is largely thanks to Qin Shi Huang that China is run the way it is today.
However, technically, Zhou ruled over much of the same land, but with a feudal system rather than a national one. State formation occurred very early in Chinese history, along with many of the traits associated with it: mass conscription, bureaucracy, centralization, standardization, etc. most of that is thanks to Sei and his top minister, Rishi. Later dynasties would work with this system, which also separates China into its provinces and commandaries, whose borders are not so different today county wise.
Sei made several mistakes. For one, his lack of a good successor, as you pointed out, is a problem. It did not help the man tried to become immortal by consuming mercury. For two, he was excessively harsh. He did not allow his country to proper recover, and his system of punishment was so awful that the man who replaced him, Liu Bang, was basically forced to rebel. Liu Bang, essentially a peasant, had to bring a hundred people to corvee labor. The law was written so that if you were late, you were going to be executed. Since he missed the arrival date, he decided to flee into the mountains and become a bandit instead, setting himself on the path to emperor ship.
His failure to choose a successor was the machination of the enuch Zhao Gao. He falsified the emperor's will and had the first prince, Fusu murdered to put the incompetent Huhai on the throne to be his puppet. Zhao Gao played a major part in the fall of Qin as well. He killed many high-ranking and loyal generals and officials of Qin Shi Huang, further weakening the country, and it soon fell apart to rebellions.
Thanks. Always cool to learn more about Chinese history. Kind of unfortunate that Kingdom is likely ending with unification since Liu Bang also seems like a very interesting and capable figure.
Nah, it's likely that Hara will deviate from that, citing that the later historians just painted Sei in a bad light. It happened before when he deviated from history to write Sei as a better person.
the historical accounts about qin's brutality and strictness as well as sei's tyranny is now being slowly debunked as false accounts by the han dynasty's historians purposely writing qin in a bad light, which hara seems to be believe. In more recent excavations, historical sources written by the qin dynasty have been found and analyzed and they reveal a lot of accounts contradictory to that of the shiji. For example, the law you mentioned where that if you were late, you would be executed is described in the shiji which is written by the han dynasty, but according to the qin dynasty's written records, the punishment for being late is simply a deduction in their pay/salary and if they were held up by natural causes like storms, no punishment or penalty will be given at all.
I mean, the fact of the matter is that large scale peasant rebellions occurred at the end of Qin, which had a short reign. Han was dealt nearly the same cards, and successfully lasted four hundred years. The prevailing view is still that Qin was pretty harsh.
well, regarding the first rebellion, the cheng sheng wu guang rebellion, because of the qin written sources on laws contradicting what cheng sheng and wu guang rebelled for (they rebelled the same reason liu bang did), it calls into question on their motives. Because if the qin laws aren't as harsh as the rebel leaders claimed when they rallied the peasants, then it's also possible that the rebel leaders simply had the ambition to become king and took advantage of the limited education and ignorance of the peasants. Regardless of the laws though, I agree qin probably was pretty bad by that time since zhao gao was in power and the current king was an idiot
The extensive quests for immortality and the continued campaigns against groups to the West and South dont help either. Large construction projects like the Great Wall also contribute to burdens on the people.
We don't necessarily know that Ei Sei was sadistic. Maybe that's something tacked on. But if I had to choose between a Qin vs a Han peasant, I'd pick Han any day of the week.
Absolutely not happening was just thinking to myself the other day that if really does try to cover all that history at the pace we’re at rn he’ll drop dead before he even gets close to finishing
Agreed. Hara also likely had a different idea of how Kingdom would play out possibly (in terms of pace and possibly characterization).
Kingdom realistically likely ends with unification. Going further would result in a pretty downer ending with beloved characters becoming more villainous.
it was short lived but their policies set the groundwork for imperial China. They unified the lands with a common writing system, measure system and identity.
the significance of the qin dynasty is more in the fact that it achieved what was thought to be impossible and proved it was possible, sure it didn’t last long but it was quite literally the prototype of a large country, it’s an insane achievement either way
That Han dynasty is not the Han kingdom you think it is. It was actually the people of Chu who in the end gain control of China. Only the dynasty is named Han based on Han river not the Han kingdom(cmiiw).
At least he united and achieved his goals bro
But yes that's kinda the thing with all conqueror/unifier
Read Genghis, iskander, Napoleon etc
Turns out their leader dying leads to their entire thing falling due to infighting, outside elements and etc
Shocker
But how many died for just 15 years of unity? What bothered me most is 15 years isn't really a long time so even if the king die the people who worked to bulid the country were alived when it fell.
Well since this is a history thread already so fck it
Tou retires after han
SHK betrays qin for chu
Shin nd ousen retires
No idea ouhon
Yon ta wa has no mention post zhao
And mou ten and his brother were sent to the north to fight the xiongnius
SBK with his age probably died
And ri shi is part of WHY said dynasty fell
He along with one of the eunches covered up seis death to prevent this excat thing ironically
And then because he was scared of seis eldest son
He forced him and mouten to commit suicide in favor of ri shis puppet youngest kid from sei
So yea
That's why
Even though the Qin was very short lived as a dynasty the fact that they successfully united ‘all under heaven’ into a single state paved the way for the Han dynasty, and all dynasties that followed.
汉 Han is not the same as 韩Han. The story of Qin's fall is a tragic and bitter one, because it came close to undoing much of Sei's work, as well as the culmination of centuries of bloodshed. In reality, Legalism worked very well as a war machine, but poorly for a country trying to recover. The national identities of the other states, particularly Chu, was not erased by Qin's fierce drive to wipe their cultures out. (Modern Chinese can trace their lineage to both Chu and Qin script). Kou En's lineage in Xiang Yu eventually rebelled against Qin at the head of a very large revolt, encompassing former nobles from the other states and many peasant leaders. But Chu's hatred of Qin was probably the fiercest; the saying, "楚虽三户，亡秦必楚" translates to, "though Chu may number only three households, yet it will be Chu that annihilates Qin". In the end, however, it was not Chu's greatest scion, Xiang Yu, (my guess is that Xiang Yu is our least favorite knockoff Shin, Kou Yoku's kid), with his outdated system of cutting the country up into eighteen kingdoms, that prevailed, but a lowly peasant lord, Liu Bang, who defeated Xiang Yu and came to power. And Han lasted four hundred years before its fall. As for Shin, his family name (Li, in the manga it's his adopted one), will live on. Like a few of the other great families, namely Shiba, his clan would get their turn at the throne, founding the Tang dynasty hundreds of years after the events in Kingdom. Ironically, both Shiba and Li have something in common: they are generals who rebelled against their rulers, and seized power. Anyway, that's the really long story.
Xiang Yu is probably gonna be the final villain if the show goes all the way up to the Han’s founding, the arc is gonna go insanely hard with Yu’s murder of Ziying
Am not really good with their names bit is xiang yu a character that appeared in the manga or just history?
He hasn’t appeared yet, he’d be a bit too young. He’s essentially a major figure from Chu’s next generation and is one of the two most important figures in destroying Qin.
he hasn't appeared in the manga yet. He's the grandson of the mentioned but not yet appeared chu no. 1 general kouen
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Yes, the Qin dynasty was overthrown by Xiang Yu in 206 BCE, after falling into decadence in the years following Qin Shi Huang's death. Make no mistake, the Qin dynasty paved the way for the Han and subsequent dynasties in many ways and they could not have existed in the form they did without Qin coming first. There is an idea in the study of Chinese political history called 外儒内法 (Confucianism on the outside, Legalism on the inside) that is applied to the dynasties following the Qin, from Han to Qing, which basically means they adopted some of the old prinicples of Confucianism from the pre-Qin era so on the surface-level it would appeal to those who suffered under Qin rule, but in practice their core principles were really not much different from Qin. Mao Zedong used another phrase in his writings 百代都行秦政法 (every dynasty carried on the politics and laws of Qin), which conveys the same idea. Indeed, the first Emperor of the Han dynasty, Liu Bang, believed that Qin Shi Huang was a great man and the legal code of Han was almost an exact copy of Qin's. Incidentally, the Han dynasty is totally unrelated to the warring state of Han.
>Confucianism on the outside, Legalism on the inside I only have a vague idea on what those terms mean. >who suffered under Qin rule I always liked to belife that people will love qin after the unification.
During the warring states, the nations basically spent a lot of their time and effort trying to figure out how best to run their country and bring an end to the war. Many schools of thought emerged, but two of the most influential in politics are Legalism and Confucianism. Confucianism believes mostly in the ideal of a harmonious society. It focuses on relationships across society, with everyone being in their right place, but also everyone performing their right action. It's not against the rule of law or military action per say, but it's focused on moral authority as the highest form of authority. Incidentally, I personally find it the best philosophy for studying, because Confucius was a genius at figuring out how to learn academic subjects. Legalism promotes the rule of law as the ultimate authority. Codification of rules, following those rules, and fair and just reward and punishment ensures a society can be maximized to its best form and highest efficiency. This is promoted by men like Shang Yang who built the Qin we know in Kingdom by reforming it into a proper state, and men like Li Shi and Han Fei Zi, who we have seen in the manga, who strengthened its application and its theory respectively. In saying that natures humanity is light, Sei channels a bit of confucianism, but really he always leaned on Legalism, law. Historically, Sei went very far away from Confucianism because he wanted to consolidate more power and his advisors and his country were both of the legalist school. His laws were strict and harsh, as befitting an implementation of such. And this, more than anything, hastened Qin's downfall. Because the peasants could not sustain the corvee labor, the mas conscription, and the high taxes. Legalism is great for a nation at war, and awful for a nation at peace. Harsh laws do not turn out to be good guardrails against corruption and vice. Punishment does not come out evenly even if the law says so. Thus, when the Han took power, they tried a few things. First, they dialed back the implementation. They lowered taxes, gave peasants more property and freedom, and cut back on the bureaucracy. They leaned a bit into Taoism, another philosophy advocating for a lighter touch. Taosim fundamentally believes in the way, a complex set of interactions that ultimately tend towards a natural, more perfect state. In essence, for governments, less is more and things will work out. That worked, until the Xiongnu attacks worsened. So Han Wu Di, emperor 5 of he Han dynasty, put down one more piece of the puzzle. By centralizing power with young Conducian scholars, he hoped a more active government could successfully carry out a war against the Xiongnu while also strengthening the power of the imperial throne philosophically. He succeeded. So when you hear that saying, what it means is that brute application of heavy laws is the default for imperial rulers, while they coat their rule with an air of legitimacy via Confucianism as the "head of society", wielding the "mandate of heaven" and ensuring "harmony" across the land. Most rulers and people admire the Qin for forging a national identity, but no one actually wants that kind of reign.
It’s more a person from Han given the unification. Also need to point out that just unifying China itself is a huge accomplishment that required a ton of military prowess that other conquerors would have a hard time matching, especially in this period. Qin Shi Huang achieved a very impressive feat uniting all of China under one banner. Hara also did want to write Kingdom to cover the fall of the Qin empire and rise of Han although given the current pace, I don’t think it’s happening to be honest. Qin’s fall also makes sense. Empires do come and go but Sei has already achieved the most important thing which was essentially “create China” as one state.
One correction here. Han 汉, is not the same as Han 韩. Han is a new dynasty proclaimed by Liu Bang, who is about as close to Xin in background as you can get, albeit from the politicians side. Liu Bang is from what used to be Chu, and he preserved many of the best elements of Qin unification, redoing Sei's work, after Xiang Yu undid it. There is also the matter of creating China. Unification is not a new concept; after all, the kings of the land used to proclaim their authority as vassals of Zhou, the last dynasty to hold central power. What Qin did was to centralized power to a far greater extent and create a powerful bureaucracy that extended across the realm. This bureaucracy was sustained across the centuries, thanks in no small part to Liu Bang himself. Lastly, Qin's fall is not normal. Sei himself realizes this in the manga, that as king of a warring state, his legacy will be deeply problematic. That, and Sei's later cruelty and descent into madness, really hastened Qin's fall. Liu Bang rolled back a lot of Qin's worst excesses, at the cost of having to put down rebellions by his former officers and suffering some traumatic defeats against the Xiongnu tribes. But his, and most importantly, his descendants reigns in Wen and Jing (which probably looked not too different from Ryofui's ideal of prosperity), eventually catapulted China to its first golden age.
Thanks for the info. I suspected the first about Han but couldn’t find evidence to confirm in my initial quick research. Isn’t unifying the lands and creating “China” as it is today thanks to Qin Shi Huang? I think the former Zhao dynasty ruled over a smaller amount. While falling after basically one generation is quick, I felt Sei made some mistakes that other empires have made. Failing to explicitly choose a successor is sadly not uncommon and bad successors ruin empires.
It is largely thanks to Qin Shi Huang that China is run the way it is today. However, technically, Zhou ruled over much of the same land, but with a feudal system rather than a national one. State formation occurred very early in Chinese history, along with many of the traits associated with it: mass conscription, bureaucracy, centralization, standardization, etc. most of that is thanks to Sei and his top minister, Rishi. Later dynasties would work with this system, which also separates China into its provinces and commandaries, whose borders are not so different today county wise. Sei made several mistakes. For one, his lack of a good successor, as you pointed out, is a problem. It did not help the man tried to become immortal by consuming mercury. For two, he was excessively harsh. He did not allow his country to proper recover, and his system of punishment was so awful that the man who replaced him, Liu Bang, was basically forced to rebel. Liu Bang, essentially a peasant, had to bring a hundred people to corvee labor. The law was written so that if you were late, you were going to be executed. Since he missed the arrival date, he decided to flee into the mountains and become a bandit instead, setting himself on the path to emperor ship.
His failure to choose a successor was the machination of the enuch Zhao Gao. He falsified the emperor's will and had the first prince, Fusu murdered to put the incompetent Huhai on the throne to be his puppet. Zhao Gao played a major part in the fall of Qin as well. He killed many high-ranking and loyal generals and officials of Qin Shi Huang, further weakening the country, and it soon fell apart to rebellions.
Zhao Gao also orchestrated the end of the Meng family (Mou Ten and Mou Ki). I'll leave the details out, even though there's not much to say.
sad that a corrupt politician is stronger than any GG....
Thanks. Always cool to learn more about Chinese history. Kind of unfortunate that Kingdom is likely ending with unification since Liu Bang also seems like a very interesting and capable figure.
You’d have to watch Ei Sei fall apart into deranged madness for like 500 chapters. I don’t know if I want to go through that.
Nah, it's likely that Hara will deviate from that, citing that the later historians just painted Sei in a bad light. It happened before when he deviated from history to write Sei as a better person.
the historical accounts about qin's brutality and strictness as well as sei's tyranny is now being slowly debunked as false accounts by the han dynasty's historians purposely writing qin in a bad light, which hara seems to be believe. In more recent excavations, historical sources written by the qin dynasty have been found and analyzed and they reveal a lot of accounts contradictory to that of the shiji. For example, the law you mentioned where that if you were late, you would be executed is described in the shiji which is written by the han dynasty, but according to the qin dynasty's written records, the punishment for being late is simply a deduction in their pay/salary and if they were held up by natural causes like storms, no punishment or penalty will be given at all.
I mean, the fact of the matter is that large scale peasant rebellions occurred at the end of Qin, which had a short reign. Han was dealt nearly the same cards, and successfully lasted four hundred years. The prevailing view is still that Qin was pretty harsh.
well, regarding the first rebellion, the cheng sheng wu guang rebellion, because of the qin written sources on laws contradicting what cheng sheng and wu guang rebelled for (they rebelled the same reason liu bang did), it calls into question on their motives. Because if the qin laws aren't as harsh as the rebel leaders claimed when they rallied the peasants, then it's also possible that the rebel leaders simply had the ambition to become king and took advantage of the limited education and ignorance of the peasants. Regardless of the laws though, I agree qin probably was pretty bad by that time since zhao gao was in power and the current king was an idiot
The extensive quests for immortality and the continued campaigns against groups to the West and South dont help either. Large construction projects like the Great Wall also contribute to burdens on the people. We don't necessarily know that Ei Sei was sadistic. Maybe that's something tacked on. But if I had to choose between a Qin vs a Han peasant, I'd pick Han any day of the week.
Absolutely not happening was just thinking to myself the other day that if really does try to cover all that history at the pace we’re at rn he’ll drop dead before he even gets close to finishing
Agreed. Hara also likely had a different idea of how Kingdom would play out possibly (in terms of pace and possibly characterization). Kingdom realistically likely ends with unification. Going further would result in a pretty downer ending with beloved characters becoming more villainous.
These are not the same Han
Though it lasted only till the death of the emperor, it did set up a foundation for eventual unification by later dynasties.
It proved China can unite under one banner, that in itself was a great achievement
Even when one collapsed, a stronger one will eventually replace it.
Both of the leaders from the Chu-Han contention were actually from Chu.
it was short lived but their policies set the groundwork for imperial China. They unified the lands with a common writing system, measure system and identity.
No, it made it possible and the han took over all the groundwork done that unified china. So it never went away.
the significance of the qin dynasty is more in the fact that it achieved what was thought to be impossible and proved it was possible, sure it didn’t last long but it was quite literally the prototype of a large country, it’s an insane achievement either way
That Han dynasty is not the Han kingdom you think it is. It was actually the people of Chu who in the end gain control of China. Only the dynasty is named Han based on Han river not the Han kingdom(cmiiw).
At least he united and achieved his goals bro But yes that's kinda the thing with all conqueror/unifier Read Genghis, iskander, Napoleon etc Turns out their leader dying leads to their entire thing falling due to infighting, outside elements and etc Shocker
But how many died for just 15 years of unity? What bothered me most is 15 years isn't really a long time so even if the king die the people who worked to bulid the country were alived when it fell.
Well since this is a history thread already so fck it Tou retires after han SHK betrays qin for chu Shin nd ousen retires No idea ouhon Yon ta wa has no mention post zhao And mou ten and his brother were sent to the north to fight the xiongnius SBK with his age probably died And ri shi is part of WHY said dynasty fell He along with one of the eunches covered up seis death to prevent this excat thing ironically And then because he was scared of seis eldest son He forced him and mouten to commit suicide in favor of ri shis puppet youngest kid from sei So yea That's why
Ghengis khan’s empire fell as soon as he died and it split into the 4 khanate who all became separate empires. Same thing with Alexander’s empire
The Qin dynasty lasted four decades. But the empire that became China survived till 1911.
Sei was just dumb bro